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3 TEENS MURDERED: Sheriff Swats SERIAL KILLER Talk · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three teams in a tiny
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Speaker 1: Florida town of only fifteen hundred, about sixty miles from Orlando,
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Speaker 1: and police will say there's not a serial killer, then
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Speaker 1: what is it? I Nancy Grace, this describe stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 1: Series M one eleven. First of all, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Sheriff Billy Woods. Last Thursday night, My office responded
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Speaker 1: to the area of Forest Lakes Park. When they arrived,
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Speaker 1: they located a female lying beside the road suffering from
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Speaker 1: a gunshot walk The victim was transported to the hospital
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Speaker 1: and credit condition and was later identified as a sixteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl whose name I'm not going to repeat
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Speaker 1: on here now. Following morning, deputies responded to Southeast ninety
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Speaker 1: four Street in Southeast one hundred eighty eighth Court reference
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Speaker 1: to a seventeen year old male lying beside the route.
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Speaker 1: He was found to be deceased from a gunshot wound.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing the voice of Sheriff Billy Woods in
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Speaker 1: Marion County. They're in Florida. From what I understand, this
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Speaker 1: is not too far, about sixty miles northwest of Orlando,
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Speaker 1: but what's the likelihood of perps coming all the way
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Speaker 1: from Orlando and stalking a tiny town A fifteen hundred
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Speaker 1: or less? Again, thanks for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: five Stations Series six sim we have an all star panel,
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go out to Ethan Bodowski
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Speaker 1: Multimedia Journalists for a wc jb Ethan, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I want to hear about the first
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Speaker 1: as they are found A logically, I want to hear
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Speaker 1: about that first victim. Guys, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: I spoke with a teenager who says the girl who
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Speaker 1: survived is named Layla Danielle Silvernail and says they've been
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Speaker 1: best friends since they were three. MCO officials confirmed Silvernail
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Speaker 1: is sixteen years old. When I heard, I was stunned.
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Speaker 1: I had to go into the hallway. I kind of
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Speaker 1: just broke down instantly when I heard what happened. But
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Speaker 1: when I found out she's still alive, it kind of
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Speaker 1: gave me hope. Schmidt says Sheriff Stepudies found her friend
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Speaker 1: Layla in a dumpster. She also told me she has
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Speaker 1: yet to go see her friend and she's unsure she
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Speaker 1: will survive. Sheriff Stepudies have yet to identify the person
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Speaker 1: who did this. Ethan Bdowski speaking to a very dear
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Speaker 1: friend since they were tiny tiny The first victim that
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Speaker 1: we know of, Layelah Silvernail, just sixteen years old, when
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Speaker 1: she is shot and left in a dumpster. And I
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Speaker 1: was looking at photos of the dumpster, Athan Bodowski, and
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Speaker 1: it seems very close to the road. Is that correct? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's right there on that road, and it's very unsuspecting.
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Speaker 1: And you know, when I drove past it, I just
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Speaker 1: couldn't believe that, you know, the night before there was
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Speaker 1: just somebody laying in there, left for dead. It was
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Speaker 1: it was frightening to say the leave. Now when you
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Speaker 1: say it's a very unsuspecting spot, I'm looking at it
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Speaker 1: and it looks that, I say, the dumpster where Layelah
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Speaker 1: was found left for dead. But right behind that it
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Speaker 1: goes to a densely wooded area. But I say, off
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Speaker 1: to the side, a clear patch of grass and a fence.
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Speaker 1: Is this a rural area? What's around the dumpster? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a very rural area. And Auntie, um, you know
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Speaker 1: there's if you turn right, it starts getting into just
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Speaker 1: unpaved roads, and you know it, there's woods everywhere. There's
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Speaker 1: trees everywhere, and basically that road that the dumpster is
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Speaker 1: on is one lane each way, and it occurs around
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Speaker 1: and runs through Okawaha and the surrounding areas, and it's
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Speaker 1: a very very rural area. There's not a lot around.
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Speaker 1: There's a few restaurants and a few bars, but other
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Speaker 1: than that, it's just a lot of trees and houses
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Speaker 1: kind of mixed in here and there. But it is
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Speaker 1: a very very rural area asan medowski. Then what is
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Speaker 1: that grassy area with a fence to the left of
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Speaker 1: the dumpster? To be honest, I can't exactly remember. There's
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Speaker 1: kind of like, if I remember correctly, there was kind
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Speaker 1: of like a parking lot right there, But you know it,
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Speaker 1: like I said, it's basically just grass and trees back there.
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Speaker 1: And I saw a when I was there, a sheriff
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Speaker 1: walking around with like a metal detector, almost just kind
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Speaker 1: of moving their way through the weeds and the trees
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Speaker 1: and the branches and stuff in there, searching for whatever
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Speaker 1: they could. But yeah, it doesn't seem like, you know,
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Speaker 1: much is going on over there. Okay to Cheryl, McCollum
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Speaker 1: and joining me, founder and director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, also star a hit podcast, Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations for your recent induction and to
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Speaker 1: the Law Enforcement Hall of Fame. That's quite an accomplishment, Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking is because I'm wondering if by
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Speaker 1: chance that fenced area to the left is attached to
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Speaker 1: some sort of business or home that could have video surveillance.
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what they're doing with the metal detector.
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Speaker 1: They're looking for a bullet. Absolutely, they can find a
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Speaker 1: bullet and they can match it up to a gun,
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Speaker 1: then you might be able to match that up to
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Speaker 1: the killer. I mean, that's what remember when Murdog was
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Speaker 1: shot on the side of the road and for those
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Speaker 1: can't see us, can only hear us. We're definitely using
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Speaker 1: air quotas on that because if you find that bullet,
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Speaker 1: you've got a long way to finding the killer. That's
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Speaker 1: what they're doing with the metal detector. I mean, but
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Speaker 1: just think about it, Cheryl McCollum, saving this girl and
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Speaker 1: leaving her for dead and a dumpster. Absolutely, and Nancy, again,
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Speaker 1: we don't know yet if she was shot in the
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Speaker 1: car outside the dumpster or inside the dumpster, So they
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Speaker 1: are trying to locate shellcasings, bullets, or fragments so they
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Speaker 1: can piece together what weapon this came out of, if
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Speaker 1: they're ever able to recover a weapon, So they're doing
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Speaker 1: their due diligence. To me, when you look to the left,
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Speaker 1: it looks like a like a cattle grate and it
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Speaker 1: looks like a gait indicative of a farm of some sort.
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Speaker 1: So again, what stuck out to me when I first
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Speaker 1: saw this photograph is where that dumpster is right by
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Speaker 1: the roadway, so this could have been a quick disposal
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Speaker 1: and then they kept moving. It's also to the right
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Speaker 1: of the roadway, so that says to me that this
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Speaker 1: may be more than one person involved, to work from
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Speaker 1: the passenger side, not the driver's side. If we analyze
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Speaker 1: the stark similarities between these and the two other attacks,
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Speaker 1: the roadway becomes very important because the second body of
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Speaker 1: a male, a young teen male. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: they're saying these are not connected, is found by the
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Speaker 1: side of the road. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at WCBJ. Both of the people were found on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road and deputy say one of them
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Speaker 1: survived being shot in the head. Bryon County Sheriff sipputy
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Speaker 1: say they found the two people about four miles apart.
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Speaker 1: A teenage girl was found last night near Forest Lakes
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Speaker 1: Park on southeast one hundred eighty third Avenue Road. The other,
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Speaker 1: a man, was dead when deputies arrived early this morning.
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Speaker 1: This was near southeast ninety four Street and one hundred
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Speaker 1: eighty eighth Court. Dandy Kessler joining US, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction and law professor at Esteemed
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Speaker 1: Emory Law School, past chair of the ab A Family
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Speaker 1: Law Section, and author of Divorce Protect Yourself, your Kids,
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Speaker 1: and your Future. Randy, you have handled a lot of
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Speaker 1: criminal cases. I remember very well standing outside the courtroom
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Speaker 1: during the middle of a play and arrayment calendar in
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Speaker 1: seeing you in the distance headed toward the courtroom. Randy Kessler,
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Speaker 1: we all know that Florida has the death penalty and
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Speaker 1: they're not afraid to use it in cases like this.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you somebody is gonna blab because all these
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Speaker 1: people know each other. Somebody's gone to and let's just
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Speaker 1: hope that shows like yours helped get the word out
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Speaker 1: and encourage people to do the right thing, not just
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Speaker 1: to punish whoever did this, but to keep the community safe.
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Speaker 1: Who's next, right, We don't know what ties these murders together,
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Speaker 1: if anything, and they need their random and that puts
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Speaker 1: everyone that lives anywhere near there at risk. So absolutely
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Speaker 1: they're going to put the word out and hopefully somebody
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Speaker 1: will speak and it could be the death penalty for sure. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, that sounds more like a public service announcement
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Speaker 1: of PSA. I'm asking you and your expertise as a
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Speaker 1: veteran criminal defense attorney, if people start talking, if more
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Speaker 1: than one person is involved, somebody's going to roll over
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Speaker 1: on the shooter so they can get a lenient deal
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Speaker 1: to send a shooter to the chair or I guess now.
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Speaker 1: The needle does exactly how the system works, right when
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Speaker 1: we see it in political prosecutions, we see it in
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Speaker 1: criminal prosecutions instead, all over the country, whoever doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to go to jail speaks up, and the defense attorneys
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Speaker 1: will get in line to get their client in front
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Speaker 1: of the prosecutor first to cut a deal and spill
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Speaker 1: what they know. Okay, guys, it ain't over yet. Take
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Speaker 1: a listener share of Billy Woods. Then on Saturday, more
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Speaker 1: of my deputies responded to the area of Malacca Loop
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Speaker 1: and Malocca Loop trace in reference to information that led
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Speaker 1: us to the victim's vehicle that was partially submerged at
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Speaker 1: the edge of a nearby body of water. Now, the
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Speaker 1: members of my Major Crimes Unit FORENSI unich an underwater
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Speaker 1: team responded, collected evans, recovered the vehicle. After going through
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Speaker 1: the vehicle, we found a third victim within the vehicle,
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old female who also had a gunshot one
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Speaker 1: and was pronounced dead at the scene. Time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Let me go to Ethan Bodowski joining us
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Speaker 1: WCJBTV out of Gainesville, Florida. Victim number three, another teen girl,
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Speaker 1: is found in Victim number one's car, Leola's car partially
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Speaker 1: submerged in water. Yeah, okay, so they're definitely connected. Victim
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Speaker 1: three is in Victim one's car and they're submerged their water.
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Speaker 1: And we're also very carefully listened. I heard Sheriff Woods
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Speaker 1: state a gunshot wound. So there's one gunshot from what
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Speaker 1: he's saying. In Victim three the sixteen year old little girl. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this was obviously shocking when I come in Monday morning
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Speaker 1: after the weekend in I here. Actually I saw Sunday
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Speaker 1: night that there had been another you know, a big
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Speaker 1: upgating that they've found somebody else, and it was just shocking.
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Speaker 1: And you know, obviously when you hear that it was
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Speaker 1: the first victims m car, your mind just racist with
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Speaker 1: the possibilities that could this could be. And obviously now
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Speaker 1: you're putting the dots together that these are connected, and
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Speaker 1: it was just quite shocking. And the area that she
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Speaker 1: was in, you know, it's there are houses under construction
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Speaker 1: all around this pond that was just out in the middle,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're pulling a car with
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Speaker 1: a body out of this very you know, um, if
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Speaker 1: this area with a lot of housing that's being built
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Speaker 1: right there, it's stunning. It was absolutely stunning you when
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Speaker 1: this happen. Well, you know to doctor Dana Anderson joining
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Speaker 1: us forensic psychologist. You can find doctor Anderson at psychology
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Speaker 1: doctor dot com. Doctor Anderson, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Clearly this is someone that knows the area. They know
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Speaker 1: where this off the beaten track dumpster is. Located. You
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Speaker 1: heard Ethan Bodowski from WCJB describing it turns into nothing
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Speaker 1: but dirt roads surrounded by densely wooded acreage. There's that. Then,
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Speaker 1: as he's describing this pond sounds to me like an
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Speaker 1: ethan Please correct me if I'm wrong. It's in the
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Speaker 1: middle of what looks to be a subdivision being built.
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Speaker 1: Who would know about that being there? An obscure pond
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a half built subdivision and then
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Speaker 1: the middle victim And I'm speaking as we have found
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Speaker 1: the victims chronologically, because doctor Jan Gorniat, medical examer is
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Speaker 1: going to have to explain how can you tell who
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Speaker 1: was actually shot first? Not who was found first, but
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Speaker 1: who was shot first? This has got to be doctor
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Speaker 1: Dana Anderson, somebody that knows this area really well. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think about it. Think about it, doctor Dana Anderson, three
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Speaker 1: miles from you. Do you know about a small on
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a half built subdivision? I don't. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: they may just be giving themselves away because people are
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Speaker 1: opportunitists and we know what we know. And if you
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Speaker 1: think about if this is somebody close in age to
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Speaker 1: these teenagers, so they have limited insight or limited knowledge.
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Speaker 1: They utilize resources around them and they're going to go
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Speaker 1: for convenience. And if you're acting in a overtly emotional
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Speaker 1: state of just your impulsive and rageful, you're not in
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Speaker 1: a planning state. You're not thinking beyond this. It's now,
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Speaker 1: let's just get rid of get rid of the bodies,
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Speaker 1: you know, to Cheryl McCollum joining me, Director of Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl, the possibilities of the evidence that
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Speaker 1: could be found inside that vehicle that was partially emerged,
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Speaker 1: because you've got victim three in Victim one's vehicle, or
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Speaker 1: they both shot in that vehicle and one was dumped
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Speaker 1: in a dumpster the other one not. This is the
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Speaker 1: only one where the person isn't directly by the side
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Speaker 1: of the road. Ethan Medowski, you can tell me how
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Speaker 1: far from the road the pond is that you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: I'm also curious, isn't a man made pond for the
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Speaker 1: purposes of that subdivision. But Cheryl McCollum, once the vehicle
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Speaker 1: is partially submerged, obviously they went there to get rid
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Speaker 1: of the vehicle two and the idiots left before the
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Speaker 1: vehicle was totally submerged. I'm also curious who tipped off
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Speaker 1: police that the car was there anyway, Once the car
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Speaker 1: is partially submerged in water, any hope of getting DNA
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Speaker 1: and fingerprints. Sure, it's partially submerged, so we're going to
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Speaker 1: know the state of dress of the victim, going to
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Speaker 1: be you know, possible fingerprints on the review mirror, on
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Speaker 1: you know, DNA on the steering wheel, the windows in
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Speaker 1: the outside of the doors that are still you know,
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Speaker 1: outside not submersion. Water is going to have a plethora
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Speaker 1: of evidence as well. They could have possibly tossed the
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Speaker 1: weapon into that pond or left it in the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: That weapon would still be able to be fired. There's
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Speaker 1: going to be a ton of information and evidence on
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Speaker 1: that vehicle and possibly on that victim. So again, the
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Speaker 1: reason that this is done the way it was suggests
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Speaker 1: to me again, these are young people. There's probably at
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Speaker 1: least three of them. I think that's why there's three victims.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that, but middle
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Speaker 1: aged men, because it's typically man, older man. They all
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Speaker 1: make mistakes. It's not just a young salons, baby felons. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: can I point out just one little thing. Sure, each
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Speaker 1: case is different. Only the females were hidden. So you
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Speaker 1: have one female that was assassinated, one gsw to the head,
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Speaker 1: prone to dumpster. That's a very clear type of crime.
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Speaker 1: Then you have what appears to be nothing more than
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Speaker 1: a drive by shooting. Then the third one, you're again
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Speaker 1: utilizing the victims of vehicle. The first victim because you
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Speaker 1: don't have a vehicle, and then it's submerged in water.
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Speaker 1: It's just everything changes just slightly, so it seems to
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Speaker 1: me that somebody's adding to it, like there's some conversation
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Speaker 1: going on. I'm not so sure the second victim was
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Speaker 1: a drive by shooting, just shooting somebody on the side
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Speaker 1: of the road. I don't know about that, because in
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Speaker 1: both of the other cases we find the bodies in
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Speaker 1: a secondary or tertiary crime scene that's not where they
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Speaker 1: were killed. But that said, I have a hard time
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Speaker 1: believing it they just randomly shot somebody on the side
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Speaker 1: of the road, because I think all of these three
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Speaker 1: victims knew each other, which means it's not random. It's
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Speaker 1: not a random shooting off the side of the road.
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Speaker 1: Athan Bodowski joining me, WCJB. Is this a man made pond.
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Speaker 1: Has it always been there time immemorial or was it
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Speaker 1: created as a focal point for the subdivision. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: believe that this was a man made pond. It's pretty
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Speaker 1: perfectly circular. And if you look on the maps, all
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Speaker 1: the other kind of lakes or ponds around it have
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Speaker 1: names on them and this one doesn't. The other thing
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Speaker 1: I'll say, Nancy, is that I left out last time
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Speaker 1: I spoke, is that this subdivision you were talking about
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Speaker 1: how far it is from the other crime scenes. I
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Speaker 1: looked it up when I was there Monday, and I
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Speaker 1: was stunned to see that it's about twenty minutes away
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Speaker 1: from the other to where they the other locations where
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Speaker 1: they found the bodies. The other two locations were about,
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Speaker 1: you know, four miles whatever, a few miles, you know,
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Speaker 1: within five to ten minutes, but this one was twenty
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Speaker 1: minutes away, kind of on the other side of the town.
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Speaker 1: So that was really when I looked that up, I
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Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is really you know, they moved
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Speaker 1: all around Scott to be somebody that knows that this
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Speaker 1: pond is there. It's only been recently built to accommodate
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Speaker 1: the subdivision, so who would know that First of all,
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Speaker 1: the purpose of mail. We all know that because of statistics, yes,
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Speaker 1: there's a remote chance it's a female or that females
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Speaker 1: are involved, but statistically speaking, this is the work of
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Speaker 1: a man. Guys, take a listen to this. Out of
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Speaker 1: breaking news. Marion County detectives confirmed the first Team victim
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Speaker 1: found shot along a road has died. Deputies found Layla's
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Speaker 1: Silvernail shot late Thursday near Forest Lakes Park. She was
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Speaker 1: taken to the hospital with critical injuries, but has since died.
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Speaker 1: Deputies say hours after finding Silvernail, they found a seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old boy dead just miles away. They say he
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Speaker 1: had also been shot, and on Saturday, deputies found Silvernail's
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Speaker 1: vehicle partially submerged in a pond east of Lake Weir.
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Speaker 1: Inside they found the body of a sixteen year old
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Speaker 1: who they say had also been shot. I'm wondering if
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Speaker 1: they've been able to to recover the bullets or if
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Speaker 1: the victims were shot through and through so there's no
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Speaker 1: bullet lost in their body. To doctor Jane Gorniac, were
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Speaker 1: now medical examiner Joinings out of Clark County. That's Vegas
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Speaker 1: Board certified forensic pathologist, medical Examiner Dodger Gorniac, thanks so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us. Is there any way to
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Speaker 1: pinpoint the time of death or at least which victim
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Speaker 1: was killed first? Great questions And unfortunately, you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: when people are found briefly outside or in the water,
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Speaker 1: you know, the elements around them are going to change
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Speaker 1: the rate of decomposition. So depending on how long they
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Speaker 1: were outside, how long they were in the car, was
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Speaker 1: the body in water? Also, I'm not sure where the
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Speaker 1: body was in the car, and being personally submerged doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean that she you know, was in contact with water.
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Speaker 1: But so they all could have I mean, we can
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Speaker 1: speculate all day, can't we. UM, So it's it's difficult.
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Speaker 1: They all could have been in the car right at
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Speaker 1: one point and then dumped along the way and then
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Speaker 1: the you know, the unfortunately the last Emi lady they
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Speaker 1: left in the car. UM. So no, we can't tell
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Speaker 1: who was who was first, just because they're all separate,
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Speaker 1: um and and at what at what time? So yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's very there is a very difficult case to be
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Speaker 1: able to put back together for the law enforcement. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner um autopsies won't be able to help
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Speaker 1: them in that in that aspect. But you also made
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Speaker 1: a great point, you know, or the projectiles. If the
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Speaker 1: projectiles are still in the body, that will be great evidence.
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Speaker 1: But it's not. Then you know, law enforcement has a
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Speaker 1: heavy lift ahead of them. I assume, Jan Gorniac, that
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Speaker 1: a rape kit would be performed on both the women
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Speaker 1: at least I depending on how their their clothes or
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Speaker 1: have their dress. I know in some jurisdictions that all
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Speaker 1: female homicide victims get a sexual assault kit. I'm not sure,
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Speaker 1: so it just depends on jurisdiction. It depends on if
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Speaker 1: law enforcement requested. But and then once again, the person
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Speaker 1: who's in the water that might, you know, alter the results.
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Speaker 1: But I would say yes, just depending on the circumstances.
22:25
Speaker 1: To Athan Medowski joining us WC JB. Do we know
22:28
Speaker 1: if rape kits were conducted all the three victims, especially
22:32
Speaker 1: to the two females, And how do they know each other?
22:36
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fifteen hundred people of the town. They
22:38
Speaker 1: had to go to school together. Yeah, I can't say
22:41
Speaker 1: whether rape kits were administered or not. I don't know that.
22:44
Speaker 1: But what we do know is that these two did
22:46
Speaker 1: go to school together. They both attended Lake Weir High School. Actually,
22:52
Speaker 1: Laila had recently gone to homeschooling. She had left Lake
22:57
Speaker 1: Weir in January. We also now note that one of
23:01
Speaker 1: the victims has been identified. The third victim has been
23:05
Speaker 1: identified as Camille Quarrels. She also attended Lake Weir High School.
23:09
Speaker 1: So these two did go to high school together. But
23:11
Speaker 1: obviously we don't know about the male victim because he
23:13
Speaker 1: has not been identified yet. The two female sixteen they
23:16
Speaker 1: both went to the same school together, Lalah Silvernail, Camille
23:20
Speaker 1: quarrel and the unnamed seventeen year old boy. I mean,
23:28
Speaker 1: how many high schools are there in this small town.
23:32
Speaker 1: There can't be that many. Yeah, So basically the two
23:37
Speaker 1: in Aquawaha that would they would send their kids to
23:40
Speaker 1: our Forest High School or Lake Weir High School. There's
23:43
Speaker 1: obviously a ton of high schools in Marion County, but
23:47
Speaker 1: those are the two main ones I believe that people
23:49
Speaker 1: send their kids to in Ocawaha unless they want to
23:53
Speaker 1: send their kids to private schools or to you know,
23:56
Speaker 1: other schools based on where they are in the area.
23:59
Speaker 1: But they're are basically two main high schools that people
24:02
Speaker 1: go to. From talking to people around there. You were
24:05
Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at WKMG. Now take a listen again.
24:09
Speaker 1: We saw the Marion County Sheriff's officers dive team here
24:12
Speaker 1: along Malaka Loop. It's not far from where investigators say
24:15
Speaker 1: they found a sixteen year old girl dead in the
24:17
Speaker 1: car that was partially submerged near a body of water
24:20
Speaker 1: just before one pm Saturday. Then Friday, just before eight am,
24:24
Speaker 1: investigators say they found a seventeen year old boy who
24:26
Speaker 1: had been shot on the side of the road near
24:28
Speaker 1: southeast ninety fourth Street and Southeast one eighty eighth Court.
24:32
Speaker 1: He died on scene. Then Thursday, they found a sixteen
24:35
Speaker 1: year old girl, who deputies say is Lalas Silvernail, lying
24:38
Speaker 1: on the side of the road here in the Forest
24:40
Speaker 1: Lakes Park area near southeast one eighty third Avenue Road
24:44
Speaker 1: before eleven pm and last check she was in the
24:46
Speaker 1: hospital with critical injuries. Jorandy casser joining US high profile
24:50
Speaker 1: lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cass Lore, could you
24:53
Speaker 1: explain what is a dying declaration? Well, it's an exception
24:58
Speaker 1: to be here story rule. I'm saying something and they're
25:00
Speaker 1: about to die, we can let it in. Even though
25:02
Speaker 1: there's no way for it to be cross examined by
25:05
Speaker 1: the other side because the person's gone. It's probably going
25:08
Speaker 1: to be truthful because things you say at that last moment,
25:11
Speaker 1: you have no reason to lie, no ulterior motive. It's
25:14
Speaker 1: an exception to the hears the rules. How we teach
25:16
Speaker 1: it and learned it in law school. Remember the case
25:18
Speaker 1: of Text McIvor in your jurisdiction of Atlanta, when his
25:23
Speaker 1: wife was taken to the hospital, at the very end,
25:27
Speaker 1: she refused to see Text MacIvor her husband. Now that's
25:33
Speaker 1: something that absolutely had to sway the jurors. That's what
25:37
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Under our constitution. Under the sixth Amendment,
25:42
Speaker 1: you have the right to not only a lawyer, but
25:45
Speaker 1: you have a right to cross examine witnesses, all witnesses
25:49
Speaker 1: that are brought in to testify against you or for
25:52
Speaker 1: the state. And a dying declaration is basically denying you
26:00
Speaker 1: the right to cross examine the speaker. So let's just
26:03
Speaker 1: pretend that we arrest Randy Kessler, high profile lawyer, for
26:07
Speaker 1: these three murders. But what if Layelah Silvernell made an utterance,
26:16
Speaker 1: made a statement of some sort before she died, and
26:20
Speaker 1: that was brought in against Kessler, he would not be
26:23
Speaker 1: able to cross examine it. But as he has accurately
26:26
Speaker 1: pointed out yet again, it's allowed under the one one
26:30
Speaker 1: of the many exceptions to the hearsay rule dying declaration.
26:37
Speaker 1: So what about it, Randy Kessler? If Laela gave any
26:41
Speaker 1: utterance because she was alive when she was first found
26:45
Speaker 1: in that dumpster, could it come in? It could? You know?
26:48
Speaker 1: But if she was shot, you know, in the brain,
26:50
Speaker 1: it can be hard to imagine she was able to
26:52
Speaker 1: speak because it sounds like the brain was the part
26:55
Speaker 1: that it was the first to go. But yes, if
26:58
Speaker 1: she made an utterance, that could come in. I can't
27:00
Speaker 1: imagine a conviction being based just on that unless it
27:03
Speaker 1: was specific you know, this person shot me. This is
27:06
Speaker 1: why this is where, you know, people say all sorts
27:09
Speaker 1: of things, sort of situations, they want to get things
27:11
Speaker 1: off to the chest. But it would be very very
27:13
Speaker 1: valued information. And the fact that she lingered on a
27:16
Speaker 1: dyeing declaration does not have to include all the details
27:18
Speaker 1: you're discussing. I mean, it's all the better if it does.
27:21
Speaker 1: But if she just gave a name like Randy Kessler,
27:24
Speaker 1: did it Kessler did it. Well, that would be enough
27:28
Speaker 1: to come in and that would be very probitive. But
27:31
Speaker 1: you would need a lot more than that, obviously, because
27:33
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other you know. But yes,
27:35
Speaker 1: it would be helpful. And that's one thing that's one
27:37
Speaker 1: benefit of her not you know, the pain and the
27:39
Speaker 1: suffering is terrible, but there's a benefit to her not
27:42
Speaker 1: being found dead and hopefully salvaging some information. Yes, exactly right, Matthew. Well,
27:47
Speaker 1: you are right. You need more evidence than that, but
27:51
Speaker 1: that's pretty strong. What more do we know? Take a
27:56
Speaker 1: listen to this. The Sheriff's office that it appears these
27:59
Speaker 1: shootings are all connected since the victim's body found inside
28:02
Speaker 1: the car Saturday was owned by another victim, Layliss Silvernail,
28:06
Speaker 1: and whoever's perpetrating the crime needs to be prosecuted to
28:09
Speaker 1: the full deputy say at this time, they're not releasing
28:13
Speaker 1: the names of the other teams who were killed because
28:15
Speaker 1: their family requested a privacy law called Marcy's Law, which
28:19
Speaker 1: protects their identities. Investigators say it appears to be an
28:22
Speaker 1: isolated incident, but say they still don't have a motive
28:25
Speaker 1: for the shootings or anyone in custody detectives say, this
28:28
Speaker 1: case is active and ongoing. If you can help in
28:30
Speaker 1: this investigation called the Marion County Sheriff's office right away.
28:34
Speaker 1: You're going to keep asking questions to find out what happened.
28:37
Speaker 1: Sery McCollum. We've heard that so often this is an
28:40
Speaker 1: isolated incident. Remember we heard that after the four University
28:46
Speaker 1: of Idaho students were slaughtered that at first law enforcement said, yeah,
28:52
Speaker 1: no need to worry because this was targeted, and then
28:57
Speaker 1: a whole hell crap storm hit them right in the
29:03
Speaker 1: head after that. From making that statement, Nancy, when you've
29:07
Speaker 1: got three young people in the same age bracket and
29:11
Speaker 1: a short distance apart, in the same basic free of time,
29:18
Speaker 1: killed in the same way, I mean, this appears to
29:20
Speaker 1: be three assassinations. It doesn't appear to be for a
29:24
Speaker 1: sexual assault, it doesn't appear to be for a theft.
29:27
Speaker 1: It seems like the only goal here was to murder.
29:31
Speaker 1: So you have to think these three are isolated, these
29:35
Speaker 1: three are together. They could have even been shot in
29:37
Speaker 1: the same car. Could have been a car jacking, Absolutely
29:40
Speaker 1: it could have been. But to control three people at
29:43
Speaker 1: the same time, through this span of time, through this
29:48
Speaker 1: many miles of driving. It would be unlikely to me
29:53
Speaker 1: for it to be one perpetrator. Again, this screams to me,
29:57
Speaker 1: this was more than one person. They were young, like
30:01
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighteen. Crime stories with Nancy Grace to you,
30:22
Speaker 1: Ethan Medowski joining us in wc j B TV. I'm
30:28
Speaker 1: very curious if these three know each other. That says
30:32
Speaker 1: to me that very possibly the killer knew them. These
30:37
Speaker 1: are not just a random series of attacks. What is
30:42
Speaker 1: Marcy's law that we're hearing about and why? Of course,
30:46
Speaker 1: the first victim we heard about, Leila Silvernell's name was published.
30:51
Speaker 1: Then we heard about the teen boy and the teen girl.
30:54
Speaker 1: Their names remained secret because of Marcy's Law. But now
31:00
Speaker 1: the third girl that was in the car has been
31:03
Speaker 1: named as Camille Quarrel. Yeah. So Marcy's law basically allows
31:07
Speaker 1: the families of victims to protect their identity, protect any
31:11
Speaker 1: identifying information. So still there is no identifying information except
31:17
Speaker 1: for seventeen year old Nail about the second victim. But
31:19
Speaker 1: the reason we know the third victim is because the
31:22
Speaker 1: family started to go fund me, so that information has
31:26
Speaker 1: become public through them, and they mentioned in the go
31:31
Speaker 1: fund me page. If you read it, it says Camille
31:33
Speaker 1: was killed along with her two friends on March thirtieth,
31:37
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So that is how we know the
31:40
Speaker 1: identity of the third victim. But within Florida, Marcy's Law
31:43
Speaker 1: basically protects people from the you know, allows families to
31:48
Speaker 1: not give any identifying information out to the public. Now
31:52
Speaker 1: that wording to doctor Dane Anderson, our forensic psychologists joining
31:56
Speaker 1: us at today, that wording our daughter was killed along
32:00
Speaker 1: with her two friends, suggests, well, it confirms the three victims,
32:06
Speaker 1: all three of them, not just the two females, but
32:08
Speaker 1: all three of them were close and say acquaintances, they
32:12
Speaker 1: say classmates. The family said friends, and it almost makes
32:17
Speaker 1: it sound as if they were killed at the same time,
32:21
Speaker 1: killed along with her two friends. Yes, that could be
32:26
Speaker 1: so obviously they all knew each other, so that means
32:30
Speaker 1: they hung out together. Does that mean they went to
32:33
Speaker 1: the same school together? You know what, I always think,
32:37
Speaker 1: what is the ingredient for this breeding ground for someone
32:41
Speaker 1: to have to feel like they have to eliminate another
32:44
Speaker 1: person like what happened in this relationship? Like what you
32:49
Speaker 1: know personal if you know them? This as the community
32:55
Speaker 1: is taking precautions to protect their families. Listen to our
32:58
Speaker 1: friends WCB jay. Some families are taking more safety precautions
33:03
Speaker 1: while deputy search for a suspect. They don't ride the
33:06
Speaker 1: fore Willer anymore as of all this going on, because
33:08
Speaker 1: that's exactly where when they found the car is exactly
33:11
Speaker 1: where I let them go and then right next to
33:13
Speaker 1: it as a retention pond take go on name right
33:15
Speaker 1: there fore Hiller. They check in, I can see them,
33:16
Speaker 1: I track them on my phone on their out my app.
33:18
Speaker 1: And now you're not going anywhere alone period. Sheriff Billy
33:23
Speaker 1: Woods is asking for help. Now. We're looking for help.
33:26
Speaker 1: We're looking to help for the families who have lost
33:28
Speaker 1: a loved one, and there are folks out there that know.
33:31
Speaker 1: The tip line is three five two three six eight
33:34
Speaker 1: three five four two repeat three five two three six
33:38
Speaker 1: eight three five four two. As fears of a serial
33:44
Speaker 1: killer run rampant through the community following the deaths of
33:49
Speaker 1: three teams, a law enforcement is taking great pains to
33:53
Speaker 1: say no, it's not a serial killer. Take a listen
33:56
Speaker 1: to Sheriff Billy Woods. Now. One of the things I
33:58
Speaker 1: want to start with is I want to stop the
34:00
Speaker 1: rumors that are on social media. One of the rumors
34:03
Speaker 1: is is that there's a fourth victim. As of right now,
34:06
Speaker 1: there is not, nor do we have any information to
34:09
Speaker 1: indicate that we do. Unless you know something that we don't,
34:13
Speaker 1: and that means you're not helping us. If you do
34:16
Speaker 1: no more, you need to call us give us that
34:19
Speaker 1: information now. The second rumor I want to address is
34:22
Speaker 1: the idea that there is a serial killer out there.
34:26
Speaker 1: That is far from the truth. Now I have the
34:29
Speaker 1: facts of what we know right now, and I can
34:33
Speaker 1: give you that assurance that tells me that somehow they've
34:38
Speaker 1: got a line on the killer and don't expect more murders.
34:44
Speaker 1: Here's more from Sheriff Woods. So do not speculate on
34:47
Speaker 1: social media because one of the things I want each
34:50
Speaker 1: of you to think of and try to remember when
34:53
Speaker 1: you start to type, is that there are family members
34:55
Speaker 1: out there reading it and some of you you make
34:59
Speaker 1: up and it's devastating to that family and you need
35:02
Speaker 1: to stop. But however you can help us. You can
35:05
Speaker 1: provide us this information. Call us. Now. There's things that
35:09
Speaker 1: we cannot tell. You can't tell the media. Some things
35:12
Speaker 1: we can't even tell the family members. One because the
35:15
Speaker 1: law does not allow us to do it Marcy's law.
35:19
Speaker 1: And then two, the integrity of the case itself to
35:23
Speaker 1: ensure that we can build a solid case against this
35:28
Speaker 1: individual that committed these crimes. This individual that says to me,
35:34
Speaker 1: it's he believes there's one killer. If he knew differently,
35:38
Speaker 1: he would have said this individual or individuals, you know,
35:42
Speaker 1: back to you. Ethan Bodowski, WCJB. What led to Sheriff
35:47
Speaker 1: Woods's reprimand regarding social media, Yeah, there were a lot
35:50
Speaker 1: of rumors flying around in Occawaha. Yet to remember, this
35:53
Speaker 1: is a very small town, very small community. Everybody kind
35:57
Speaker 1: of knows each other. And I remember getting in to
36:00
Speaker 1: the office on Monday, and you know, my assignment manager,
36:03
Speaker 1: Amber Jackson, telling me that there are rumors flying around,
36:06
Speaker 1: there's a four victim, there's this going on, all kinds
36:09
Speaker 1: of people commenting all over Facebook, all these things that
36:12
Speaker 1: they had seen. And then Marion County Shrif's apartment Monday
36:17
Speaker 1: morning released a basically rumor control that's what they called it,
36:21
Speaker 1: Facebook posts where they shut down a lot of these
36:24
Speaker 1: rumors that were flying around on Facebook. As he said
36:28
Speaker 1: in the in that quote, we just heard that there
36:30
Speaker 1: was a fourth victim, that there's a serial killer out there.
36:34
Speaker 1: You know, people had said they saw this or that
36:36
Speaker 1: or whatever. There was a million different Facebook comments on
36:39
Speaker 1: these posts, but they basically, you know, put out rumor
36:43
Speaker 1: control and they said, look, these are the facts. We
36:45
Speaker 1: found Laila in the stumpster by Forest Lakes Park, we
36:49
Speaker 1: found another victim up the road, and then we found
36:52
Speaker 1: the other victim, you know, in a pond, however far away.
36:56
Speaker 1: So they basically put a stop to a lot of
36:58
Speaker 1: the things that were flying around. And I'm sure there
37:02
Speaker 1: are still things flying around because again it's a very
37:05
Speaker 1: small town, a lot of people talking to each other,
37:07
Speaker 1: playing telephone with each other. But at the end of
37:09
Speaker 1: the day, the Sheriff's department has said, you know that
37:13
Speaker 1: it's not a serial killer. There is no four victim,
37:15
Speaker 1: and that's what we have to go with. I believe personally,
37:18
Speaker 1: and there is a working theory. Listen, listen carefully, and
37:24
Speaker 1: you hear more facts about the events leading up to
37:28
Speaker 1: the three murtyrs. Listen to the sheriff. All of our
37:31
Speaker 1: victims are known or have we're known to know each other,
37:36
Speaker 1: and we're together leading up to the incident itself. As
37:43
Speaker 1: far as we all the information we have yes, they
37:47
Speaker 1: are friends, okay. And the other thing that I'll hit
37:50
Speaker 1: on real quickly is that the detectives also have information
37:55
Speaker 1: that it's possibly tied to what we classify as hybrid game.
38:01
Speaker 1: That's what I'm sorry, it was hybrid gangs. What is
38:04
Speaker 1: that I want to be gang? You want me to
38:06
Speaker 1: I'll use a little more plain English for everybody. I
38:08
Speaker 1: want to be Gangs is what they are, which means
38:11
Speaker 1: there may not have been any real motive other than
38:16
Speaker 1: the thrill kill, the desire to be in a gang.
38:20
Speaker 1: Randy Kelser joining me, high profile lawyer out of Atlanta.
38:24
Speaker 1: Do you remember the Doom gang as it reared its
38:30
Speaker 1: ugly head in inner city Atlanta? Yeah? And look there's
38:32
Speaker 1: a nine month trial going on now in Atlanta. There
38:35
Speaker 1: tons of gang trials. That's sort of a a thing, right,
38:40
Speaker 1: the part of the gang shoot somebody and you that
38:44
Speaker 1: elevates you, Yeah, it elevates you within the gang. I
38:47
Speaker 1: guess it elevates you when you get behind bars too.
38:50
Speaker 1: I remember Doom in particular because it was the first
38:54
Speaker 1: gang related killing that i'd seen in the office, and
38:57
Speaker 1: what they did to the vic him was just awful,
39:01
Speaker 1: beyond anything I'd ever seen before. You know, we're hearing
39:05
Speaker 1: a lot regarding a possible motive, and we're learning that
39:09
Speaker 1: the three victims were together leading up to the murders.
39:15
Speaker 1: Athan Bodowski, what can you tell me about law enforcement
39:19
Speaker 1: possibly speaking to a purported poy person of interest. Yes,
39:25
Speaker 1: so yesterday, you know, Cherif Woods held up press conference
39:30
Speaker 1: and you know you can read more of our reportings
39:32
Speaker 1: at while he's one of our reporters, did a great
39:34
Speaker 1: job and she just you know, basically reported from what
39:39
Speaker 1: Cherrech Woods stated that they do have at least one
39:42
Speaker 1: person of interest out there. They do have suspects. I'm
39:47
Speaker 1: not sure if they have been able to speak with them,
39:50
Speaker 1: but if they've brought them in, but we do know
39:52
Speaker 1: that there are people of interest within this case and
39:55
Speaker 1: they seem to be owning in on at least one
39:58
Speaker 1: or two. Doctor jan Niac, What to be found on
40:03
Speaker 1: the bodies that could be traced back to the killer
40:06
Speaker 1: or killers, Well, any time we process on a side victim,
40:10
Speaker 1: we're collecting fingernails, UM, the those fingail clippings just in
40:14
Speaker 1: case there might be some DNA underneath the fingernails. UM.
40:18
Speaker 1: We will obviously if there's the projectile there, we can
40:21
Speaker 1: probably trace it back and get that upence over to
40:25
Speaker 1: law enforcement. But mostly I mean, if there's anything else
40:28
Speaker 1: on the body, we're going to look to see if
40:31
Speaker 1: there's um white marks, you know, possibly I'm not sure
40:35
Speaker 1: there'll be any in this particular case. Um, but if
40:38
Speaker 1: there's any injuries to a person's hands or anywhere on
40:42
Speaker 1: their body, maybe their neck, also, we might be able
40:44
Speaker 1: to swab that for DNA. So it could be limited
40:48
Speaker 1: in this case unless there was really close contact and
40:52
Speaker 1: firearm injury. Usually isn't that a close and personal like
40:55
Speaker 1: if it's a strangling or a you know, blunt force trauma.
40:59
Speaker 1: Nancy got odd jump in real quick. Yeah, I was
41:01
Speaker 1: gonna say, Schery, I'm gonna call him. Somebody had to
41:03
Speaker 1: push that car into the pond, so the first place
41:06
Speaker 1: to look is all around the back of that car
41:09
Speaker 1: for fingerprints. Go ahead. They also picked Kayla up and
41:12
Speaker 1: placed her in that dumpster, so there will be touch
41:15
Speaker 1: DNA on her clothing. Well put well, put guys tipline
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Speaker 1: three five two three six eight three five four two
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalse. Goodbye friend,