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Chuck & Buck 11-10 Hour 2: 12th man news with Gregg Bell, UW blew it and MacDonald speaks! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: The fake to Walker who offers a block and then
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Speaker 1: going deep and looking inside the cart. Stiff and Ship
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Speaker 1: go with the track who a catch forty three y
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Speaker 1: touchdown strike Shacobe Brissette.
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Speaker 2: Oh there was the pitch who has hit.
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Speaker 3: The Polly's free picked up by Lawrence, Billy kicking on, Yes, Sir,
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Speaker 3: to the house.
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Speaker 2: Touchdown with Hernest Jones out. Third down eleven, here comes
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Speaker 2: Knight not.
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Speaker 4: To wag in.
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Speaker 2: Louise becomes Lawrence.
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Speaker 3: Holy smokes another touchdown by the same guy, the same
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Speaker 3: guy that hit him on the first touchdown Tyrase. Knight
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Speaker 3: hits him again and thankuiming it in till Mark is Lawrence.
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Speaker 2: He finds the open receiver and here he goes with a.
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Speaker 1: Catch in a run Cooper Cup breaking tackos.
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Speaker 2: On the way.
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Speaker 1: Thompson will hold him out co book up. It's charbon
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Speaker 1: Ay hurdling Davy Tuchtown plus second rushing touchdown.
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Speaker 2: Today by Seattle.
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Speaker 1: This will be a thirty four yard drop Charty two
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Speaker 1: for two today and Matt is the record center. There's
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Speaker 1: your own time field goal, make kicker and Seahawk history.
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Speaker 5: I just realized had I started to Marcus Lawrence had
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Speaker 5: running back this week in fantasy he would have outscored
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Speaker 5: both my running backs.
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Speaker 6: That would have been a good move.
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Speaker 5: All right, great move, wouldn't it would everybody had thought
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Speaker 5: I was crazy.
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Speaker 6: It would have been like, and how's what's he doing?
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Speaker 6: And then they would be like, how did he know?
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Speaker 5: I would have had the last laugh?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you would have.
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Speaker 5: Would have laughed so hard in Jackson Feltz's face. It's
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Speaker 5: Chuck Powell, It's Bucky Jacobson, It's Ashley Ryan with you
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Speaker 5: here on a Monday. Good morning to you all. Hope
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Speaker 5: you had a great weekend, enjoyed that Friday, Saturday and
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Speaker 5: Sunday fall weather out there. All sorts of sports things
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Speaker 5: to discuss today, but of course our primary focus will
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Speaker 5: be on the sport of football, American football. We'll chat
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Speaker 5: with Greg Bell here in a matter of moments. Also,
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Speaker 5: Hugh Millen and Mike Holmgrin are on tap for you
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Speaker 5: from eight to ten o'clock here this morning, right here
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Speaker 5: on Chuck and Buck in the Morning Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 5: three point three KJARFM. But we start the seven o'clock
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Speaker 5: hour with your frost brewed cors Light Choose Chill headlines
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Speaker 5: here on a Choose chill Monday, counting you down to
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Speaker 5: Monday Night football at five point fifteen Packers versus Eagles Seahawks.
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Speaker 5: You heard the highlights Westwood one, Kevin Harlan, Trent Green
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Speaker 5: on the call. They doubled up the Arizona Cardinals forty
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Speaker 5: four to twenty two, but it was not that close.
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Speaker 5: They were up thirty eight to seven at one point
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Speaker 5: in the second quarter. They had at one point built
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Speaker 5: up elite of thirty five to nothing with eight and
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Speaker 5: a half minutes left in the second quarter, and ended
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Speaker 5: up carrying the ball forty six times to just twelve
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Speaker 5: passes in the contest to just try and run out
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Speaker 5: the clock as quickly as possible with as little damage
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Speaker 5: as possible. We'll talk more about it with Creig Bell
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Speaker 5: here in a little bit, but we can already start
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Speaker 5: thinking about that next game for the Seahawks. It's the
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Speaker 5: game of the year, certainly to this point, against the
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Speaker 5: Los Angeles Rams in LA this Sunday at one o'clock,
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Speaker 5: both teams at seven and two. On the year college football,
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Speaker 5: you'd Ufel to Wisconsin just a terrible, terrible loss. You
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Speaker 5: can forget about any sort of playoff run for the Huskies.
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Speaker 5: It dissolved Saturday amid slush and rain and snow and
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Speaker 5: wind in Madison, Wisconsin. The Badgers took out the Dogs
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Speaker 5: thirteen to ten. Dub Hoops lost to Baylor last night
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Speaker 5: seventy eight to sixty nine. Not a bad showing against
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Speaker 5: a ranked Baylor team and a top ranked a Baylor program.
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Speaker 5: Next up for Danny Spring and the Dogs will be
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Speaker 5: the Coogs this Friday at eight o'clock in Pullman. Cracking
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Speaker 5: at a very interesting back to back a couple of days,
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Speaker 5: they pulled out somehow a four to three win in
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Speaker 5: Saint Louis on Saturday, scored with zero point five seconds
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Speaker 5: left in regulation to force it into overtime, where they
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Speaker 5: won it on a Shane Wright goal, but then lost
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Speaker 5: yesterday to the Dallas Stars two to one. They'll next
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Speaker 5: play Columbus tomorrow at home. Finally, the Sounder season ended.
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Speaker 5: Not finally got another story. Sounder season ended in a shootout,
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Speaker 5: So Minnesota takes two out of three, but never truly
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Speaker 5: won a match. They just won two shootouts. We at
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Speaker 5: least won a match. Yeah, in the series, but it's
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Speaker 5: Minnesota that advances. The Sounder season comes to a close
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Speaker 5: MLB Awards season starts tonight. Manager of the Year will
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Speaker 5: be tomorrow MVP and that's the cow vote will be
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Speaker 5: on Thursday, Tonight's Rookie of the Year. But the MLB
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Speaker 5: Awards season begins starting tonight. And of course, Lenny Wilkins
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Speaker 5: the big story today, passing away at the age of
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Speaker 5: eighty eight, legendary Seattle sports figure, basketball icon and pretty
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Speaker 5: much just respected, beloved throughout the entire sports community nationwide,
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Speaker 5: maybe even globally. Joining us now here on the program
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Speaker 5: is our Seahawks insider Greg Bell. All Right, a lot
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Speaker 5: to discuss with you today. Can we start with Lenny Wilkins.
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Speaker 5: Just any interaction that you've had with the legendary Lenny Wilkins.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. One of the greatest things I've done was in
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Speaker 4: June on our radio station here. I'd spent two hours
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Speaker 4: in the studio with Lenny Wilkins and it was right
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Speaker 4: before the unveiling of his statue in front of Climate Pledgerina.
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Speaker 4: His son was there too, and we just talked about
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Speaker 4: just talked about his life and his impact on basketball
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Speaker 4: in Northwest and across the world, and yeah, about him
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Speaker 4: being an ROTC cadetic Providence college back in the fifties
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Speaker 4: for the for Army ROTC. He was an Army lieutenant
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Speaker 4: and he was interested in my army background as well.
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Speaker 4: And it was a joy, absolutely thrill for me. Jessmond
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Speaker 4: McIntyre our producer, assistant station or program manager season when
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Speaker 4: who set it up? And it was I was so grateful.
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Speaker 4: He's such a compassionate, giving, introspective. I had a ton
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Speaker 4: of agitide, you could say for Lenny Wilkins. He helped
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Speaker 4: so many people in the community, youth initiatives that he
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Speaker 4: did basketball non basketball. He always stayed in Seattle even
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Speaker 4: after he left from being the coach and the player
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Speaker 4: that he was in the sixties and seventies and into
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Speaker 4: the as and he was in Cleveland when I was
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Speaker 4: growing up as a coach of the Cavaliers, and he
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Speaker 4: always had a home in Seattle and he always came back. Man,
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Speaker 4: was he respected universally respected. I'm glad you gave me
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Speaker 4: a chance to say how much I appreciate and will
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Speaker 4: always remember many welcomes for what he's done well beyond basketball.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely well, said Greg Bell with US our Seahawks Insider.
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Speaker 5: And so we do react to yesterday's forty four to
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Speaker 5: twenty two. When I know that there were different opinions
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Speaker 5: about this team when the season started. I think some
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Speaker 5: people had more positive than others. But I don't know
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Speaker 5: if anybody saw the dominance that they would display. This
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Speaker 5: league is not supposed to be dominated the way that
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Speaker 5: it has, at least for six quarters. I mean, that's
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Speaker 5: about as well as you can expect an NFL team
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Speaker 5: to play against NFL competition for a six quarter stretch.
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Speaker 5: And so, yeah, things got a little sloppy and careless
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Speaker 5: in the second half trying to preserve a thirty one
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Speaker 5: point leader, thirty five point lead, But speak to just
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Speaker 5: how everything has clicked for those six quarters for the
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Speaker 5: Mike McDonald and the Hawks.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right about NFL teams, and the margins are
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Speaker 4: usually so small and it's hard to do what they've
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Speaker 4: done the last two weeks. In the first halfs of games,
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Speaker 4: it was what's it was the first half of sixty six,
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Speaker 4: I think it was sixty nine to fourteen. The last
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Speaker 4: two weeks. In the first half of the last two games,
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Speaker 4: it was thirty one seven and Washington and what was it,
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Speaker 4: thirty eight? Nothing at thirty eight whatever it was thirty five,
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Speaker 4: thirty eight seven yesterday. So yeah, sixty nine fourteen in
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Speaker 4: the first half of two games. And you're right, that
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Speaker 4: doesn't happen no matter who you're playing, that usually just
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Speaker 4: does not happened. The turnovers are the big thing, the
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Speaker 4: defense getting the turnovers, especially turnovers that become points. That's
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Speaker 4: how you roll up a lead that quickly in this league.
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Speaker 4: That was like a lightning strike yesterday. De Marcus Lawrence
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Speaker 4: that when he did something that only three players have
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Speaker 4: done in one hundred years of NFL football back to
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Speaker 4: nineteen twenty five. And I only found two other guys
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Speaker 4: who returned two fumbles for touchdowns in the same game,
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Speaker 4: and he did the exact same way. Well, Tyrese Knight,
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Speaker 4: Now there were two different blitzes. What's interesting about that
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Speaker 4: is we talked all last week, or at least I
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Speaker 4: did you guys listen to me talk about how Kyler
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Speaker 4: Murray not starting was going to be a boon for
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Speaker 4: Seattle's defensive front. Remember, we talked about talked about how
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Speaker 4: it was just going to be a field day for
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Speaker 4: the defensive front against Jacoby Brissett because because Brissette stayed
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Speaker 4: in the pocket almost to a fault. He stays in
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Speaker 4: the pocket and just stands in there, and even when
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Speaker 4: pressure's coming, he stands in there and he throws the ball. Well,
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Speaker 4: that's exactly what the Seahawks feasted on yesterday. And after
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Speaker 4: the game, I asked Bier Murphy, how different was the
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Speaker 4: prep this week for Whenther you normally play in Arizona
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Speaker 4: going against ans kind of Murray, He said, oh, man,
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Speaker 4: we knew that Brissette was his words, a sitting duck,
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Speaker 4: and then he would just sit back there and we
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Speaker 4: would be able to go straight up the field at him.
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Speaker 4: De Marcus Lawrence said the same thing. He said, we
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Speaker 4: knew he wasn't going to escape the pocket. We knew
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Speaker 4: he'd be sitting right there. If we just ran straight
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Speaker 4: up the field at him. It played right into the
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Speaker 4: strength of the Seahawks defense. And even in Bolden Mike
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Speaker 4: McDonald to blitz inside. He doesn't normally blitz a lot anyway,
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Speaker 4: and when he blitzes, it's usually off the edges. Right.
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Speaker 4: You can think of nickimn Worrie, you think of Devin Witherspoon,
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Speaker 4: you think of let's see the defensive backs blitzing off
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Speaker 4: the edge, not yesterday, Tyree Knight in the a gap
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Speaker 4: straight up the field, a vertical pass rush where they
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Speaker 4: didn't have to worry about the quarterback escaping the pocket.
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Speaker 4: And it was Tyree Snice's Knight's vertical inside pass rushes
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Speaker 4: on both of those tumble recoveries that created the touchdowns.
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Speaker 4: And that's how it got from seven nothing to fourteen
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Speaker 4: nothing in a hurry, and then from twenty one US
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Speaker 4: in the twenty eight nothing in the first minute of
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Speaker 4: the second quarter. That played right into their strength. The
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Speaker 4: Seahawks won that game on Tuesday, when the Cardinals decided
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Speaker 4: that it was going to be Jacoby Brissett.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, obviously the defense, those two you know, sack strips
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Speaker 7: and scoops and scores kind of set the tone and
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Speaker 7: they just took off after that. And regardless of what
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Speaker 7: happened in the third quarter and how they kind of,
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Speaker 7: you know, things kind of went off the rails a
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Speaker 7: little bit, they it didn't really matter at that point.
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Speaker 7: I'm curious the run game, I mean, essentially, this team,
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Speaker 7: i mean runs the ball forty six times, because once
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Speaker 7: you get up thirty five zip, you're just thinking, okay,
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Speaker 7: let's get this thing to the end. Of the fourth
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Speaker 7: quarter as quickly as possible. They would have ran for
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Speaker 7: over two hundred yards as a as a group if
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Speaker 7: it wasn't for the Drew Locke, you know, kneel downs
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Speaker 7: at the end of the game that kind of bring
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Speaker 7: them back under that and so effective, I would say,
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Speaker 7: probably the most effective it's been by your your mate
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Speaker 7: two ball carriers at least, and even George Hallaney when
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Speaker 7: he came in just simply because they knew you were
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Speaker 7: going to run. I mean, it was obvious you weren't
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Speaker 7: going to keep passing the ball and trying to run
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Speaker 7: the score up. So how impressed were you with just
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Speaker 7: the way in which they ran this week?
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm still not sold and I'm with you. Once
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Speaker 4: it became twenty eight thirty five, they were going to
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Speaker 4: run the rest of the game. They had a thirteen
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Speaker 4: play drive in the second half, and all thirteen plays
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Speaker 4: were runs. What was different was they Zach Sarbaey got
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Speaker 4: more than a yard or two on his carries. He
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Speaker 4: had a thirty yard run at one point yesterday he
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Speaker 4: ended up with eighty three yards. Kenneth Walker had a
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Speaker 4: twenty four yard run. They did it on bouncing it
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Speaker 4: outside they the gap would be, the play would be
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Speaker 4: designed for inside, and then they'd kick it and bounce
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Speaker 4: it out. And that's how Charbon and Walker by both
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Speaker 4: of their runs. And it is the same thing the
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Speaker 4: Kubiak has done all year. He's just going to keep
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Speaker 4: running and yesterday by keep running, he eventually it broke
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Speaker 4: and they got the yards. And Donald had a season
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Speaker 4: low twelve pass attempts and he's still on just ten completions.
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Speaker 4: At one hundred and seventy eight yards seventeen point eight
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Speaker 4: yards of completion, that's going to raise his average above
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Speaker 4: ten for yards per pass attempt, which is already leading
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Speaker 4: the NFL. And who even went up more yesterday. The
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Speaker 4: biggest concern on the offense to me is Sam Donald
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Speaker 4: holding under the ball. Well, we've talked about that for
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Speaker 4: a couple months now. How when he gets pressure near him,
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Speaker 4: he tends to have some freaky turnovers, like Abe Lucas
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Speaker 4: his back hitting his Donald's arm at the end of
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Speaker 4: the San Francisco game in the red zone, losing a
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Speaker 4: fumbled Nick Bosa. It was very similar yesterday when A J.
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Speaker 4: Barner got pushed into him and Donald threw a pass
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Speaker 4: off a Barner's helmet and became intercepted. He's throwing to
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Speaker 4: pass off another Tampa Bay Buccaneers helmet that got intercepted
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Speaker 4: at the end of the game and handed the Buccaneers
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Speaker 4: the winning points. As great as Donald has been, and
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Speaker 4: he has been, and I'm not here to say that
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Speaker 4: Sam DoLS she can run out of town, it's quite
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Speaker 4: the opposite. He still has ten turnovers in nine games.
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Speaker 4: He has seventeen touchdowns against six interceptions, and he has
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Speaker 4: four lost fumbles. What's alarmed in the story at the
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Speaker 4: News Tribune that posted this morning about this, what's alarming
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Speaker 4: about the fort fumbles, guys is He's only been sacked
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Speaker 4: ten times all season, and on nearly half of those
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Speaker 4: he's lost the ball. That's a problem. When the guy
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Speaker 4: who is holding the ball sixty plus times a game
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Speaker 4: is dropping it at forty percent rate when he gets sacked,
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Speaker 4: that's an issue. And as great as their defense can be,
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Speaker 4: they'll lose to the Rams on Sunday if they turn
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Speaker 4: the ball over. Now the defense again, even after the
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Speaker 4: turnovers again, two goal line stands turning the Cardinals away
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Speaker 4: on short fields, and the Cardinals only two touchdowns until
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Speaker 4: garbage time, we're on twenty yards or twenty two yard
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Speaker 4: total of the two drives to their touchdowns because the
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Speaker 4: Seahawks gave it up inside the ten yard line twice. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: he's got a hold on the ball, period. He said it.
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Speaker 4: After the game, McDonald chocked up one of the fumbles
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Speaker 4: the center exchange with Little Timmy. It was the third
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Speaker 4: snap of the Little Timmy I'm going to come from
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Speaker 4: Jacob Sendell's injury. And then they fumbled again in the
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Speaker 4: fourth court on Mason Richmond was the center, or excuse
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Speaker 4: to be Brice Cable dow as the center. Tobacca quarterback
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Speaker 4: Drew Box. But the bottom line is they can't turn
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Speaker 4: to Oliver and win on Sunday.
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Speaker 5: Fair Greg Bell with us our Seahawks insider. Of course,
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Speaker 5: forty six rushes to twelve passes, that's going to skew
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Speaker 5: the pass run ratio stats for the rest of the
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Speaker 5: season when you put together a game like that, I
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Speaker 5: did want to ask you speaking of a balance. Rashid
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Speaker 5: Shaheed makes his debut for the Seahawks. I mean they
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Speaker 5: lined him up as a tailback in the I formation.
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Speaker 5: He was returning kicks. He obviously lined up at a
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Speaker 5: couple different places as a wide receiver. So were they
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Speaker 5: experimenting with him with a big lead. Is this indicative
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Speaker 5: of how they want to use him? Or are they
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Speaker 5: just you know, scratching the tip of the iceberg here?
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Speaker 4: No, I think it's indicative. I talked to him after
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Speaker 4: the game. He was beaming. Man, he was so happy
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Speaker 4: to get out of New Orleans and into Seattle. The
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Speaker 4: week before he was in LA against for the Saints
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Speaker 4: against the Rams and they got smoked by LA. And
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Speaker 4: the Saints are one and eight at the time. And
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Speaker 4: I was thinking, as I was talking to me yesterday,
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Speaker 4: what a difference a week makes for him. Now he's
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Speaker 4: in the locker room where the music is just blaring.
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Speaker 4: Their in first place. They're going to LA next week
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Speaker 4: to play the Rams for first place in the division.
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Speaker 4: He must think he just Christmas came like four years
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Speaker 4: worth the Christmases cave for him in one week. He
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Speaker 4: said it was what he expected. I asked him if
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Speaker 4: that was more than he expect He said no. Once
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Speaker 4: I knew Horton was banged up, I knew I was
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Speaker 4: going to get the return games. And Horton didn't play
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Speaker 4: a course yesterday, and he said, this is clined Clint
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Speaker 4: Kubiak does with him. It's what he did in New
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Speaker 4: Orleans last year in the six games he played for
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Speaker 4: the Saints before he got injured. Talking about Shaheed, that
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Speaker 4: Kubiak will do that, he's going to move him around
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Speaker 4: the formations and runs fly sweeps. There's a few more
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Speaker 4: things he said in the playbook for him already that
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Speaker 4: they didn't use yesterday. So this is something of a
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Speaker 4: tip of the iceberg, but that's how they're going to
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Speaker 4: run Shaheed. Coober Cup talked after the game that he
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Speaker 4: could already tell the defenses the safeties had they couldn't
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Speaker 4: cheat as much to Jackson Smith and Jigba knowing that
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Speaker 4: Shaheed could be blowing the top off the center of
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Speaker 4: the defense on a post and it kind of kept
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Speaker 4: that safety. Honest, the Rams have a little more to
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Speaker 4: study in the secondary than they had a week ago.
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Speaker 5: All right, just quickly injuries. JSN had the head injury.
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Speaker 5: Buddha Baker, watch it, Buddha. You know you're beloved here.
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Speaker 5: You're not going to be for much longer with hits
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Speaker 5: like that. And then also Emon Warri holding his wrist late.
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Speaker 5: Those are two really important guys, what's the medical update
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Speaker 5: on them?
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Speaker 4: Well, both came right back into the game. Smith and
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Speaker 4: Jingwan didn't want to leave. The NFL concussion monitor in
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Speaker 4: the press box called down to the referee and told
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Speaker 4: him to take him out of the game for a
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Speaker 4: concussion evaluation, which is great, that's fine. That's how this
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Speaker 4: league should do it. And if a guy's even thought
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Speaker 4: if he gets hit near the head, they're gonna do that.
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Speaker 4: So that's what happened. They sent him in the concussion
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Speaker 4: guy on the sidelines in the red cap, and the
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Speaker 4: NFL came into the tent, cleared him, came out fine,
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Speaker 4: went back in the game. No concussion. Even though Smith
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Speaker 4: said Jigmit said he was not happy about leiving. He
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Speaker 4: understood that's the protocol. No problem. The un Nicki wore
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Speaker 4: he did have a wrist hand thing. He said it
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Speaker 4: more just subsided. He went right back in and he
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Speaker 4: thinks he's gonna be fine. Didn't sound like it was
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Speaker 4: a big deal. Jalen Sidell could be a bigger deal.
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Speaker 4: He's got a knee injury. Left in the first half.
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Speaker 4: We saw all with Timmy came in and had snap problem.
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Speaker 4: The third snap was fumbled, on the goal line. They
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Speaker 4: they said there's more tests to come on Sundell, but
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Speaker 4: McDonald didn't quite say, well, he's fine. He just said
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Speaker 4: he doesn't think right now it's season ending. But it
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Speaker 4: wouldn't surprise me if Sindell's and practiced much this week
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Speaker 4: and if he doesn't play, that's a downgrade at the
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Speaker 4: on today.
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Speaker 5: All right, well, thank you. We'll have a lot more
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Speaker 4: Greg.
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Speaker 8: You've been just running yourself ragged and it's gonna happen.
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Speaker 4: Thanks, Mom, You're right, I need I need to Yeah,
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Speaker 5: All right, we'll talk to you tomorrow then.
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Speaker 4: All right, all right, Greg Bell.
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Speaker 5: spent last week, in the last couple of weeks really
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Speaker 5: third of the season, they go to Wisconsin. They take
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Speaker 5: on a Badger's team that you know, the program's kind
21:32
Speaker 5: of like hanging by a thread right now. It was snowy, slushy, windy,
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Speaker 5: even though Luke Fickle never looked bothered by it. That
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you that that was some chunky rain too.
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Speaker 5: But the Dogs did not play like they were enjoying
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Speaker 5: the weather at all. They got out gained on the ground.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what happened to Jonah Coleman, not just
21:54
Speaker 5: in the game, but just look like they had a
21:56
Speaker 5: wrecking force of a running game at the beginning of
21:59
Speaker 5: the year. You lost the turnover battle by minus two
22:04
Speaker 5: and you know, and then, I mean, I don't think
22:08
Speaker 5: the offensive line played well. But the thing that I
22:10
Speaker 5: have the biggest problem with, I think Demon Williams is
22:13
Speaker 5: the best player on the team. I love the kid,
22:15
Speaker 5: and I think he's got a really bright future. But
22:17
Speaker 5: my goodness, I've heard of having bad pocket presence. Don
22:22
Speaker 5: Williams runs into pressure. They could have the Badger's gonna
22:26
Speaker 5: have one guy that beats that may beat his offensive lineman,
22:31
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22:36
Speaker 5: For how great he is and everything else, pocket presence
22:38
Speaker 5: is not his cup of tea. He's not.
22:41
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, he's young, so maybe that's part of it.
22:44
Speaker 7: He's you know, obviously he's trying to figure out how
22:47
Speaker 7: to quarterback where he can make all the throws. He's
22:50
Speaker 7: unbelievably talented, and yet you also don't want to clip
22:53
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22:56
Speaker 7: run so much at times.
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Speaker 2: You got to be that dual threat guy.
22:59
Speaker 8: And that he runs just run away from pressure.
23:02
Speaker 5: Well he's obviously not trying to.
23:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like he is.
23:06
Speaker 7: Yeah, he did the decision making. It's one of the
23:08
Speaker 7: things I was watching Baker Mayfield yesterday. There was a
23:12
Speaker 7: couple different times where he actually didn't even escape the
23:14
Speaker 7: pressure that he was coming for, but it was almost
23:16
Speaker 7: like he could his peripheral vision it seems better than most.
23:20
Speaker 7: Like there's a guy coming from literally, you know, his side,
23:23
Speaker 7: like ninety degrees from where he's looking, and he would
23:26
Speaker 7: recognize it. De Mon Williams doesn't have the same peripheral vision.
23:29
Speaker 7: But yeah, so, I mean the offense ten points against
23:31
Speaker 7: them is not good. The defense is only giving up thirteen.
23:35
Speaker 7: But to for somehow for you to lose against a
23:38
Speaker 7: team that was running a freshman fourth string quarterback out
23:42
Speaker 7: there that I mean, they couldn't pass. Their best passer
23:45
Speaker 7: was the punter on that fake punt. Yeah, I mean
23:48
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23:50
Speaker 7: three quarterbacks that they went through were like five for
23:53
Speaker 7: fifteen for twenty four yards and you lose, and you
23:57
Speaker 7: lost the whole thing.
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Speaker 4: It was.
23:59
Speaker 5: It was a disaster and coming off a bye come on,
24:02
Speaker 5: and you play in the Pacific Northwest, weather shouldn't affect.
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Speaker 8: You that much.
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Speaker 9: No, And again, it wasn't even bad in the first half,
24:08
Speaker 9: so you have no excuse. It didn't get really bad
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know.
24:13
Speaker 5: Maybe we just have to accept that this team was
24:16
Speaker 5: going to take a step forward this year. But the
24:18
Speaker 5: idea that this team was ever a playoff caliber team,
24:22
Speaker 5: I don't know if they ever looked like that at
24:23
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24:26
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24:30
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Speaker 5: favorable schedule the rest of the way until Oregon, where
24:35
Speaker 5: you could have it could have boiled down to one
24:38
Speaker 5: game against your rival. But I mean, they just they're
24:43
Speaker 5: not a playoff caliber team. They're just not. When we were.
24:46
Speaker 7: Talking early in the season about they were the number
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24:52
Speaker 7: I mean just because of who people play, not just them,
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Speaker 7: and the stats so much when you're and you know whatever,
25:01
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25:03
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25:05
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25:08
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25:12
Speaker 7: It did look like those long dbs were starting to
25:14
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25:21
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25:24
Speaker 7: were supposed to.
25:25
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Speaker 9: Is.
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Speaker 11: I couldn't believe the d log got the second one.
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Speaker 11: I was like, holy crap, it's him again. But uh,
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Speaker 11: the way that he attacked the ball te Night is
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Speaker 11: this year on defense and we got two today. So oh,
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Speaker 8: Was awesome, unbelievable.
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Speaker 5: And to see two plays like that in the same game,
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Speaker 5: I mean they looked like twins Night hitting Brissett, same
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Speaker 5: guy hits Brissette, ball pops loose, same way, very close.
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Speaker 5: Had to go to review Gene on the call. Yeah,
30:17
Speaker 5: by the way hygiene and yep, it couldn't be overturned.
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Speaker 5: I mean they were both fractions. It's very similar. And
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Speaker 5: there's DeMarcus Lawrence scooping it up without any problem, like
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30:36
Speaker 5: facet of this game, but man, you give a better
30:40
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30:45
Speaker 5: definitely on the road.
30:46
Speaker 7: I mean you got to I think the call Cardinals
30:48
Speaker 7: knew coming in here at what were they three and
30:51
Speaker 7: five that you know, if there was any smidge and
30:54
Speaker 7: of hope, you got to come in play a clean
30:56
Speaker 7: game against a team that was rolling last week, and
30:59
Speaker 7: and you got to come in there and try to,
31:01
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31:03
Speaker 7: you get punched in the mouth a couple times. I
31:05
Speaker 7: mean at that point, they're just sitting on their butt
31:08
Speaker 7: in the corner, kind of buddy nose, buddy lip, looking
31:10
Speaker 7: up like what do we do now? And they tried,
31:13
Speaker 7: they tried to mount what they could, but there was
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31:18
Speaker 7: down thirty five zip and.
31:20
Speaker 5: Look, I mean I know that, Lauren. And all credit
31:22
Speaker 5: to Lawrence. He got the fumble return, he got the
31:25
Speaker 5: two touchdowns, he did it in stride. It was great.
31:29
Speaker 5: But I always give credit to the guy that causes
31:32
Speaker 5: the fumble more so than I do to the guy
31:33
Speaker 5: that just happens to be there picking it up and
31:35
Speaker 5: running it in for the touchdown. So for Tyrese Knight
31:39
Speaker 5: to have a day like that, you never know what
31:41
Speaker 5: that's gonna do for a young player to unlock their confidence,
31:44
Speaker 5: for them to sit there and go, oh, I get it.
31:49
Speaker 5: I'm faster, bigger, and stronger than all quarterbacks.
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Speaker 8: I can go knock the ball out of their hands.
31:57
Speaker 4: I got it.
31:58
Speaker 5: Coach, you can count on me and him Between him
32:02
Speaker 5: and Neamiah Pritchett, who also needed a play, he also
32:05
Speaker 5: needed some good film I think for his career that
32:10
Speaker 5: play that he made in the back of the end
32:12
Speaker 5: zone on Harrison knocking the ball both of them horizontal
32:16
Speaker 5: to the ground to knock away the touchdowns. So just
32:20
Speaker 5: some spectacular plays by some young players who probably needed
32:25
Speaker 5: some ata boys in the film.
32:28
Speaker 7: Studies, well, I think they were kind of going or
32:31
Speaker 7: they I think their game plan was going to be
32:33
Speaker 7: to go after Pritchet because he was in there for
32:36
Speaker 7: the injured job, right, And I think that, you know,
32:39
Speaker 7: I think that Tyres Knight where it was when you
32:43
Speaker 7: have Ernest Jones out, You're thinking, Okay, how is this
32:46
Speaker 7: kid gonna do? Like he's stepping into the quarterback role
32:49
Speaker 7: on the defense, call him plays and all that kind
32:51
Speaker 7: of stuff. And yet it sounds like from Greg what
32:54
Speaker 7: he was saying, and I read his article that they
32:57
Speaker 7: basically did they designed a couple different blitz pack just
33:00
Speaker 7: of coming up the middle at Jacoby Brissett on purpose
33:03
Speaker 7: because he's not the mobile quarterback that you typically would do,
33:06
Speaker 7: and so designing something that they hadn't seen on film yet.
33:10
Speaker 7: And sure enough, I mean, if that's not the mastermind part,
33:13
Speaker 7: now you still have to execute it, and you're not,
33:14
Speaker 7: you'd have your backup guy in they're executing it. I
33:17
Speaker 7: think both those two that we're talking about, that stepped
33:20
Speaker 7: up for an injured player and next man up type
33:23
Speaker 7: of thing, it speaks to your your depth on that
33:26
Speaker 7: side of the ball for sure.
33:27
Speaker 5: Well I'll take it to step further just quickly. I mean,
33:29
Speaker 5: Tyle Katta and Drake Thomas just keep playing better every
33:33
Speaker 5: single week. I mean, what embarrassment of riches? If you're
33:36
Speaker 5: John Schneider, like man, I made some really good picks,
33:39
Speaker 5: but it turns out I.
33:40
Speaker 8: Can bring anyone in here and he can turn them
33:42
Speaker 8: into a good player. Yeah, what is that going to unlock?
33:46
Speaker 5: For me that I can just grab guys off the
33:49
Speaker 5: street and put him in my starting lineup and they'll
33:52
Speaker 5: make plays because of how good he is defensively. Boy,
33:56
Speaker 5: we got a good thing going here.
33:57
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a really good thing going, especially coming off
33:59
Speaker 9: last week and worrying about the injury to Ernest Jones
34:01
Speaker 9: and thinking like, well, what's that going to do to
34:03
Speaker 9: this defense, and to have them have that game without him,
34:07
Speaker 9: it was awesome.
34:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tyres Knight makes the two big defensive plays and
34:11
Speaker 5: the biggest pop. Drake Thomas made a great tackle for
34:14
Speaker 5: loss in the game as well on the offensive side
34:17
Speaker 5: of the ball. I mean, everything is fine, but obviously
34:20
Speaker 5: things did get a little sloppy, particularly in the second half.
34:24
Speaker 5: The team committed third to three turnovers, and most of
34:28
Speaker 5: those deep within their own territory, which, under normal circumstances,
34:33
Speaker 5: red flags everywhere, sirens going off. Obviously, when you build
34:37
Speaker 5: a thirty five nothing lead, it doesn't feel like we
34:42
Speaker 5: weren't panic stricken over it. Nonetheless, as Greg Bell pointed out,
34:47
Speaker 5: Sam Donald's had a few more fumbles, four of them
34:50
Speaker 5: this year, and he's only been sacked ten times. Mike
34:54
Speaker 5: McDonald was asked about Sam Donald's job, job security, ball
34:59
Speaker 5: security and whether or not it's a concern.
35:01
Speaker 11: No, no, those are those are things that we can
35:03
Speaker 11: work operationally.
35:05
Speaker 4: Well.
35:05
Speaker 11: The first one was with with with ol Lou. I
35:07
Speaker 11: don't think it was his first snap, So that's something
35:09
Speaker 11: we need to be better at. And happened again over
35:11
Speaker 11: there in four minutes with Drew and Bryce.
35:13
Speaker 4: So we need to look at that.
35:14
Speaker 11: You know, we can't have the ball on the ground
35:16
Speaker 11: on snaps.
35:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
35:18
Speaker 5: So no, not worried about it at all. But careless
35:20
Speaker 5: turnovers they're worse than careless whispers, George Michael.
35:24
Speaker 6: Those are actually chaos whispers are quite nice, are they?
35:27
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh? Are they?
35:28
Speaker 5: I thought that was a negative thing.
35:30
Speaker 4: I don't know.
35:30
Speaker 6: I mean the way he sings about it makes me
35:31
Speaker 6: think it's great.
35:32
Speaker 5: I think it's a warning.
35:33
Speaker 4: Oh is it? Yeah?
35:34
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know the song you speak of, but
35:36
Speaker 7: it sounds like I don't want careless I don't want
35:38
Speaker 7: any careless going on. I don't want careless whispers and
35:41
Speaker 7: I don't want careless balls.
35:42
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I guess you're right. The words are bad,
35:44
Speaker 6: but he just sings it so beautifully.
35:46
Speaker 5: It's just wonderful song.
35:48
Speaker 8: It's just great vocal performance.
35:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all I was thinking. But yeah, you're right,
35:51
Speaker 6: it is bad.
35:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an omen Yeah, it's a warning.
35:53
Speaker 4: Yeah.
35:54
Speaker 7: Well it's not good to be sacked, you know, only
35:57
Speaker 7: ten times and be careless enough that for of them
36:00
Speaker 7: turn into flumbles, but or flumbles.
36:02
Speaker 5: Flumbles, you flumble of all around. You will lose flall games.
36:07
Speaker 5: You're not careful, you will Uh yeah, I'm not worried
36:11
Speaker 5: about it. I'm really I'm not.
36:14
Speaker 4: Boy.
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Speaker 5: That is boy, that is really looking at the glasses
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Speaker 5: half empty. If you come in on a Monday night
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Speaker 5: after your local football team dominated, like a few teams
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Speaker 5: I've seen in my life dominate over the course of
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Speaker 5: a two game span, and then be worried about careless
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Speaker 5: turnovers up thirty five. Yeah, so yeah, I mean it's
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Speaker 5: something to discuss, something to work on, something to keep
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Speaker 5: an eye on. Certainly we need to do that.
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Speaker 8: Ratio to improve, but it's a whole different level of
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Speaker 8: focus when you're up thirty five, eight minutes to go
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Speaker 8: in the second quarter and you're just trying to melt clock.
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Speaker 5: All right. Coming up next on our program, we'll get
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Speaker 5: the thoughts on that and many other things of Hugh
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Speaker 5: Millin also coach Home. It's Monday morning, quarterback time.
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