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Patriots Unfiltered 5/13: Rookie Minicamp Recap, Recent Roster Moves, Roster Building · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: excited to be here with you. We uh, I guess
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  Speaker 1: we're in a little bit of the void here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're officially in an offseason show now, but there
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  Speaker 1: is some football to talk about. We got to see
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  Speaker 1: the rookies last week on the field on Friday, got
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  Speaker 1: a little look at them, and to me, though, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the rookies that stood out Paul, it was Mike Rabel.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is what people have written, not
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  Speaker 1: just because that's me, y' all know me. I love Rabel,
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  Speaker 1: but I think across the board pretty much. And I
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  Speaker 1: just read Mike's YARDI today, who wrote as well about it.
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  Speaker 1: Just how interesting it was watching Mike Rabel jump from
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  Speaker 1: drill to drill, engaging every player that he was working with,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was first round pick Will Campbell, whether it
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  Speaker 1: was an undrafted tryout player. He just looked so in
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  Speaker 1: his element throughout that practice. I couldn't take my eyes
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  Speaker 1: off of him. It culminated when he hopped into seven
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  Speaker 1: on sevens at inside linebacker and he took the stance
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  Speaker 1: and everything. You just gotta get him a number fifty penny.
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  Speaker 4: So this fifty one.
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  Speaker 1: Who's fifty one? So you gotta get them fifty.
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  Speaker 4: So this will a surprise. No one like that specific
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  Speaker 4: part of it. I have not really a whole lot
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  Speaker 4: of interesting And I know people are going to go
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  Speaker 4: crazy about, oh he jumped in, he moved a guy
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  Speaker 4: out of a gap, great, love it. What I was
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  Speaker 4: really interested in is the stuff that you talked about initially,
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  Speaker 4: just how effortlessly he bounces from group to group offense, defense,
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  Speaker 4: special teams. Positionally. I don't recall that at all last year,
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  Speaker 4: and I know that we're going to be constantly making
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  Speaker 4: comparisons and they're probably not fair to do that to
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  Speaker 4: Gerard Mayo. Mike has been a head coach in the
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  Speaker 4: NFL for you know what five years in Tennessee at five,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so he had, you know, obviously loads of
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  Speaker 4: experience coming in, so he should be at a different
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  Speaker 4: level than Gerrod Mayo was. But that was my big
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  Speaker 4: takeaway from that. You know, that glimpse that we saw
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  Speaker 4: for that hour of rookie mini camp was just how
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  Speaker 4: actively involved he was with all areas of the team,
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  Speaker 4: not just defense. Yeah, and again, I know what makes
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  Speaker 4: for the great photo op and the great anecdote when
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  Speaker 4: you see him actually engaged in lining up in seven
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  Speaker 4: on seven's and moving people around and getting is you
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  Speaker 4: know yeah, I mean Han's dirty and actually playing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean more than just the novelty of him
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  Speaker 1: being involved. It's just to me what stood out was
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  Speaker 1: just this is what this guy loves to do. He
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  Speaker 1: is just in it right now teaching. Put out a
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  Speaker 1: clip from the documentary which will be coming off Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Check that out of Rabel, you know, walking with Kaden
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  Speaker 1: Wallace kind of using a little bit of I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what you call those an example I guess of
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  Speaker 1: walking together versus you know, me trying to push you
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  Speaker 1: how hard it is. But it's just to me, it's
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  Speaker 1: cool to see Mike Rabel out on the field and
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  Speaker 1: working with guys. But I just love the passion. I
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  Speaker 1: just love to see how much this guy loves to coach.
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  Speaker 1: And the one thought that I had coming out of
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  Speaker 1: that practice is like, this team is going to be
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  Speaker 1: imprinted with Mike Rabel, like his handprints for better or worse,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it means. He's going to be all over this team,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 4: So there was one other thing that I you know,
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  Speaker 4: you had mentioned about the you know, like doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: Will Campbell or some tryout guy. So one of the
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  Speaker 4: tryout guys is a guy named Hector Johnson. Right, He's
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  Speaker 4: a defensive lineman played for Endicott College. My nephew full disclosure,
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  Speaker 4: my nephew is on the coaching staff at Endicott. So
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  Speaker 4: I have a little bit of a you know, personal
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  Speaker 4: interest in this particular kid. He's from the Wister area,
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  Speaker 4: a great story overcame a lot and he I mean
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  Speaker 4: Division three, but an absolutely dynamite Division three football player.
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  Speaker 4: He was an edge rusher for Endicott. They had a
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  Speaker 4: lot of success over his career there. They've been a
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  Speaker 4: playoff team consistently in the Division three playoffs. This past
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  Speaker 4: year they won a game in the Division three playoffs
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  Speaker 4: for the first time. He's not going to be an
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  Speaker 4: edge rusher in the NFL, so he's going to have
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  Speaker 4: to make a he just he's a Division three for
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  Speaker 4: a reason. He doesn't have sort of the size requirements.
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  Speaker 4: He's like six foot you know, most guys on the edge,
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  Speaker 4: you know, looking at six four, you know, so we'd
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  Speaker 4: be a really undersized guy. So they're changing him to
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  Speaker 4: more of a traditional off the ball linebacker. He's been
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  Speaker 4: in the middle. And you mentioned that Mike Grabil's working
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  Speaker 4: with everybody. I got some interaction with my nephew who
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  Speaker 4: I saw on Mother's Day, and he had talked to
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  Speaker 4: Hector a little bit, and he was really blown away
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  Speaker 4: with how much interest Mike took in him. And he
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  Speaker 4: is not a guy who got a county. They signed
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  Speaker 4: a couple of guys and we probably will get to
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  Speaker 4: that in a little bit. They signed I think three
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  Speaker 4: of the guys that were here on tryouts and this
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  Speaker 4: was not one of them. But it just kind of
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  Speaker 4: speaks to me of how invested Mike is in the
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  Speaker 4: development of all of the players, not just as you said, Mike,
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  Speaker 4: not just Will Campbell, all of the players. That really
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  Speaker 4: stood out to me how much interaction he had and
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  Speaker 4: to hear behind the scenes look at that. I think
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  Speaker 4: that kind of backed it up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just real quick, I mean out, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: on the field. You're going tomorrow off the field, big
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  Speaker 1: event to mow for Patriots players. They're gonna be going
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  Speaker 1: to a bunch of different community places.
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  Speaker 8: I think there's six different groups going to various places
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  Speaker 8: in the community throughout Greater Boston. There's some Dorchester spots Cambridge.
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  Speaker 8: But yeah, the whole team, coaches included, all going to
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  Speaker 8: be volunteering out in the community. We started this last year.
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  Speaker 4: Last year was the first time.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, last year was the first the first time
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  Speaker 8: at least since I've been here. I don't know if
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  Speaker 8: they did that prior. But uh, it was a great day.
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  Speaker 8: I had a lot of fun covering the event, and
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  Speaker 8: just when you get that many of the guys together
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  Speaker 8: out in the community, they really have fun with it too,
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  Speaker 8: probably a little more so than usual. So yeah, group
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  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with yet tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: But was this the event last year that Drake was
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  Speaker 4: playing dodgeball that was great? Is that one of these things?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it wasn't the group.
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  Speaker 8: It might have been honestly, six groups. Well that's the
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  Speaker 8: thing is, and we were trying to get some help.
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  Speaker 8: It didn't work out. But yeah, I'm like picking and
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  Speaker 8: cheese which group I can go with. But I don't
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  Speaker 8: know if that was just a regular boys and girls
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  Speaker 8: visit for Drake or if it was the community day.
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  Speaker 8: You might be right. I wasn't with him on his group,
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  Speaker 8: but Drake is actually out in the community quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: So the kid who had to take the ball still
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  Speaker 1: in implanted on his head. He still remembers what day
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  Speaker 1: it was.
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  Speaker 8: Never forget that video out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I gained more respect for him when I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's going right for it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's competitive. Get out there, kids, they cap scoring.
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  Speaker 8: You know, my first uh, not Drake, but Robert Spolaine,
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  Speaker 8: My first encounter with him ever was at we did
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  Speaker 8: a football camp at the Newport Navy Base, which was
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  Speaker 8: actually funny because Cardona showed up in his military uniform
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  Speaker 8: and then changed into his football outfit. But Robert Spulaine,
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  Speaker 8: there's these little chill like I don't think there's a
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  Speaker 8: single kid over eleven years old there, and they're running
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  Speaker 8: these drills and Spolaine is just pulling back no punges,
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  Speaker 8: like he's throwing these kids around on mats. And it's
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  Speaker 8: funny because normal parents might be like, oh, be careful,
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  Speaker 8: but it was all like military dads, like the guys
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  Speaker 8: in the knees like yeah, get up. It was so funny.
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  Speaker 4: No, I thought we were trying to encourage them to.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to scare people. But Paul, to your point.
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  Speaker 4: Earlier on Mike's got the death shout out, watch it, watch.
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  Speaker 1: Chokes, I came. I even made notes today, so we
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  Speaker 1: have things to talk about. Uh. But yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: Mackay Butler as well as Isaiah Eaton, and they officially
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  Speaker 1: signed Willifred Pine, who was a pee. I believe is.
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  Speaker 4: That how you pronounce that one? Not Pine?
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  Speaker 8: Is it French?
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  Speaker 1: He's an international player.
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  Speaker 4: I believe he's he goes down as an international player.
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  Speaker 4: So's Mike's probably.
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  Speaker 1: That's ninety one. He's the ninety first.
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  Speaker 4: He's the ninety first guy. Uh. And they did release
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  Speaker 4: one of the.
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  Speaker 1: Libel Burdau from whom Merrimack.
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  Speaker 4: Who was from Merrimac. Yeah, so it's another sort of
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  Speaker 4: local tie and I thought that was interesting and I
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  Speaker 4: really liked it Mike talking on Friday before we went
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  Speaker 4: out to practice. You know, they brought it in. I
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  Speaker 4: think there is well, I don't know, fifteen or sixteen
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  Speaker 4: guys on tryouts in addition to you know, you know
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  Speaker 4: the whatever eleven. You know, there's probably another twenty draft
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  Speaker 4: picks in udfa's right. So one of the things that
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  Speaker 4: Mike talked about was wanting to get some local kids
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  Speaker 4: that didn't necessarily sign somewhere, but give them an opportunity,
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  Speaker 4: you know, another every guy, right. Jake Wilcox was one
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  Speaker 4: of those tryout guys for as a quarterback who had
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  Speaker 4: a pretty solid career at Brown. Undersized kid obviously, that's
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  Speaker 4: why he didn't get drafted. But I liked that idea
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  Speaker 4: from Mike. You know, take a kid from Merrimack, give
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  Speaker 4: him a shot, you know, Endicott College Division III, give
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  Speaker 4: him a shot, you know, and if they if they
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  Speaker 4: come in. I mean, listen, Malcolm Butler was one of
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  Speaker 4: these guys. Yeah, Malcolm Butler came in the spring of
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  Speaker 4: you know OTAs and all that as a tryout guy,
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  Speaker 4: not even a full fledged UDFA. You know, he had
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  Speaker 4: to earn that. Like, these are the names that Mike
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  Speaker 4: just read and then he fought his way onto the roster.
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  Speaker 8: So working at like a Popeyes or something Jangles.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was Popeyes.
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  Speaker 1: I love those stories guys that have to dabble in
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  Speaker 1: the real world a little bit and then they come
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  Speaker 1: back and then they appreciate a little bit more what
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  Speaker 1: it means to get this opportunity. We got to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. People want to know who stood out at
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  Speaker 1: rookie Mini camp I think Paul and I both nobody
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  Speaker 1: fall under the category of just cool to see them
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  Speaker 1: out there. But it's hard to really make any kind
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  Speaker 1: of judgments. I would say, you know, Kyle Williams right
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  Speaker 1: in there, looked involved, was active, same thing with us.
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  Speaker 4: Just looks smooth to me. But you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: talking about any evaluations. I'm just talking about how they
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  Speaker 4: looked in the uniform.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I thought he looked like he you know, he looked
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  Speaker 4: like a wide receiver. He looked pretty smooth. He looked
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  Speaker 4: like he looked like an athlete.
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  Speaker 1: And check me if I'm wrong. Will Campbell looked like
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  Speaker 1: an offensive lineman out there, and yeah, you know, getting
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  Speaker 1: getting involved. I think it's a tough situation though for
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  Speaker 1: him when he's got a stand next to b c's
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  Speaker 1: Jack Conley, who is I believe six seven and makes
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  Speaker 1: Will Campbell almost look small. I don't think he's a
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  Speaker 1: small guy. But the one thing that stood out to
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  Speaker 1: me other than I know, I know that's see six eight.
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  Speaker 1: It's just towering. But I think the thing that stood
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  Speaker 1: out to me other than player evaluations for that hour
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  Speaker 1: plus that we were in that bubble was just the
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  Speaker 1: type of practice. Because we've talked about it before, Mayo
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  Speaker 1: kind of an extension of Belichick's practices felt vaguely similar.
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  Speaker 1: I know you you have some nuance there if you
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  Speaker 1: felt like it took a little while for them to
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  Speaker 1: get going. Yeah, didn't feel like this with Rabel. But
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  Speaker 1: it just feels like a different practice. It doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's kind of coming out of the same tree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just the same example would be Patriots always have,
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  Speaker 1: as I've seen, stretched while they're walking. They kind of
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  Speaker 1: one defense on one end on one sideline, offense on
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  Speaker 1: one sideline. They kind of walked to the middle, they
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  Speaker 1: touched their totally. They stretched. Now it was more of
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  Speaker 1: a stationary which was like I did it in high school,
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  Speaker 1: the captain sit up, front, and you know, everybody sits
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  Speaker 1: in lines and you kind of sit and stretch it. Now, way,
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  Speaker 1: did you see it's different in the back doing the
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  Speaker 1: freshman you know, freshman year. I don't know we did
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  Speaker 1: my my junior year. I only played my freshman junior
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  Speaker 1: year though, so but as a fresh crap I was
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  Speaker 1: near the back after the captain had stolen my power
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  Speaker 1: path front. I was a front row girl really right
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  Speaker 1: from the get go as a freshman making your presence.
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  Speaker 1: I tried.
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  Speaker 8: I tried to hang in the back, but eventually, like
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  Speaker 8: the coach would be like, Francisco, I'll get up here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you got the name. What's the name too?
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  Speaker 1: Just you gotta be good at Francisco.
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  Speaker 4: Cisco, Francisco, get up here.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 8: There's a time in track where we started doing going
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  Speaker 8: to the weight room and doing lifting, and I was
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  Speaker 8: just trying to be in the back, like not fitting in,
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  Speaker 8: but had a little bit of experience weightlifting. One of
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  Speaker 8: my cousins owned a gym, and I then somehow found
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  Speaker 8: myself as like the form demonstrator for.
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  Speaker 1: For what not a big deal for squats? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are hard. I need to do the you ever
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  Speaker 1: have to do the ones where you put the bar
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  Speaker 1: over your head, the snatch squats, you have the bar
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  Speaker 1: up over your head and then you got to go
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  Speaker 1: down with your arms.
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  Speaker 3: Out like this.
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  Speaker 8: Is that like a cross?
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  Speaker 1: I did not demonstrate that. No, that was one of
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  Speaker 1: our donkey train anything. It was hard for me. I
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  Speaker 1: was really toy, very toy, not flexible.
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  Speaker 4: That's why.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly right, Well, so we're gonna be here for two hours,
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  Speaker 1: catching you guys up. Fred is busy. Evan. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what Kendrick Lamar, he had already taken the day off,
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  Speaker 1: so it was morning thing.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really buy the Kendrick Lamar excuse. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's in mourning.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I need to know if he was watching the
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  Speaker 8: game during the concert or like when he found out
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  Speaker 8: about the tatum is.
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  Speaker 1: Probably for the best.
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  Speaker 4: Just how much fucking out how much it affected him.
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  Speaker 8: Or was it something that like one person heard about
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  Speaker 8: it in the stadium and it started traveling throughout you know,
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  Speaker 8: I need to recap.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he had a few drinks and he realized
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  Speaker 1: what direction and then.
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  Speaker 8: He probably cried.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it ruined the concert for him?
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  Speaker 1: I think for me I can't lie.
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  Speaker 8: I lost sleep last night.
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  Speaker 4: I felt bad for Tatum.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, know, I know these guys make a lot
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  Speaker 4: of money and all that stuff, and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: what do you know? You think? You know, it's like
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  Speaker 4: the Bronx tail. You know, you think you think you're
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  Speaker 4: old man. You know you think Mickey manno cares about
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  Speaker 4: your old man. You know, like, I get it. They
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  Speaker 4: make a lot of money, they're famous people. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he'll get over it. But I just felt bad for
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  Speaker 4: him last night.
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  Speaker 1: Me too. I I mean, I was actually watching last night.
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  Speaker 1: I had to turn.
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  Speaker 4: You could tell it was an impactful injury just by
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  Speaker 4: the look on his face. Not so much pain, but
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  Speaker 4: the look to me was telling me that he knows.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long run.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: I'm in trouble. I'm gonna be out for a while.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah see, I haven't really seen any updates.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: It's good though. I'm the host so I can grill
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: the two super Celtics Celtics AX Celtics.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I just I'm a bomb tosser.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Is it over? Is it over? People? Can the Celtics
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: bounce back if they don't have Jason Tatum? Down three
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: one they got to win three straight.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: To the fan, I think they might.
• 16:05
  Speaker 8: Rally one game in honor of Tatum, but it's.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Just the death rattle this What is it tomorrow night
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: at Boston or are they take them? Is it Thursday night?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: I got a double check. After Tita went down. I
• 16:18
  Speaker 8: shut the game off because I could just tell it
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: was so bad, and I was speculating on what it
• 16:23
  Speaker 8: could be an achilles and like, there's no worse injury
• 16:27
  Speaker 8: you can face.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: No, it's adding injury to insult, Isn't it? Like that's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the worst you're you know you're gonna lose if. I'm
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: so used to watching kids sports right now, but I
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: like that was the vibe that I got instantly of like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: oh man, this is going bad and then somebody gets
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: hurt and just goes from bad to worse, especially with Tatum.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: But I'm sure we'll get plenty of Evan tomorrow. It
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: is tomorrow, no day off, one.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Day off, and the day today day. I like those
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: should be every other tea.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: The game was last night or it's tonight, either way,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: but we'll get a catch up with Evan for sure
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: tomorrow and catch twenty two I'm sure I'll have him
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: and outs plenty to say. Give us a call though,
• 17:02
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• 17:05
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• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you guys. So some big stuff also going on this week.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: We've got the schedule coming out tomorrow. That's big news.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Many people in this building right now working on our
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: schedule release video. So excited to share that with you guys.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: And what do you guys think about the schedule anything
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we know now? It doesn't look like no international games
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: right which from Paul, it doesn't really matter to us.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: We don't really travel that much.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: And it was which I was always wondering, you know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: like we did to Germany a couple of years ago.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: That was kind of a special trip. I was kind
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: of in the back of my mind saying I could
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: have talked myself into that trip. Yeah, but you know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't really have much faith that we were going
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: after having gone international the last two years.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what they said, a little bit
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: of a reprieve after going international for both gams. But
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I got to experience England at some point, Paul with you,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: because you make it sound like, like you say, were
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the Beatles there, right, big big PU fan contingent.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: I believe I did say we were the Beatles there,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: but I'm not sure that I coded you as part.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Of we there, Me and Andy and Fred.
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: He was like Pete best more so than when we
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: were in Germany.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, but Germany was great too. It's good
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: for the ego, I will say.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Only time, especially when you're front of the especially when
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you're front of the CEO craft entertainment, you're getting tapped up.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: You don't realized that was this big of a deal,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: did you? Adding some zero C into that salary?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Uh so? Just to throw some of the opponents up
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: here for those of you who aren't familiar with who
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the Patriots had playing this year, the home games of course,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the AFC East opponents. Then Cleveland and Pittsburgh from the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: AFC North, Atlanta Carolina from the NFC South, the Raiders,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and the Giants. Number of changes. I kind of mentioned
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: this last week, Paul, I like, after the draft, you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: kind of go back to some of these opponents, and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: now they have like the Giants of Jackson Dart. Now
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: it's a new you know. And Abdul Carter Raiders are
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: now with Pete Carroll and they've you know, brought in
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Smith or Smith g you know, Smith to be their quarterback.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: You know, Carolina continuing to build, Atlanta continuing to build. Pittsburgh,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: maybe Aaron Rodgers, Cleveland, maybe Shder Sanders. I don't know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: They're starting to throw there a little bit. But all
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: those teams, at least the home portion gone under some
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: significant transition on the away front. New Orleans, Derek Carr retires,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay they're still building. I think they just drafted
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: another wide receiver a second ago.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Tampa is a good team. I think people just overlook
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Tampa and they they've been good. Even since Brady left.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: They continued to be, you know, a pretty reasonably talented
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: team that has won some games.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield something there. You think.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I think he's okay. I think he makes too many
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: mistakes still, I know, but as Fred likes to say,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: let Baker bake, Baker bak, let Baker bake, and the
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: league is better with Baker Mayfield.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Such an interesting guy.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why, but that's what Fred said.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: We saw him here in the preseason with Carolina. A
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I was like, this guy's done.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: He can't play anymore, and it's it's one of those
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: experiences that's forever in the back of my civil too.
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: I remember looking at him too and being like that,
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: the guy looks like any dude I went high school with.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, they got they had Donald and Baker Mayfield
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: there at the same time, and they couldn't get either
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: one of those guys to work. It's just funny how
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you look back on some of those things.
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: Situation is everything.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: We're just sharing a story I shared with Paul. I'm
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: doing a little digging on the eighty five season for
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: some stuff we're writing for for Game Day magazine this year,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and was watching the game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: where Steve de Burg's in at quarterback and they're showing
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Steve Young on the sidelines that they like, they can't
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: put him in yet. I guess they did. Did he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: come over like midyear or something. I don't remember us
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: from the USFL, but express it's you look at this
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and it's you got a Hall of Fame quarterback sitting
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: on the sidelines. But I could just like you get
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: your head ringing. You're like your voice ringing in my
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: ear as I'm like, no, we can't, we can't play him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Steve de Berg, we got we gotta ride it down
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: to st Berger.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Gross.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just that that's another example, though, where
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: you know the fit and where you go, Like you
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: just mentioned Mayfield in Donald or Carolina, And I'm not
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: saying either one of those guys is Tom Brady two
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: point zero, Okay, but they've both last year demonstrated that
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: if you if you surround them with some structure, their
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: competent NFL quarterbacks. Okay, maybe Donald isn't as good as
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: he looked for most of the year and he kind
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: of regressed to the mean by the end of the season,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: but he showed you that he can play the position
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: at least at an average level.
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: In Carolina, they look neither one of those guys looked
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: like they couldn't even play anymore. Yeah, and now that
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: you know they were both leading playoff teams last year.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: That's on Carolina. I'm sorry, that's not the two quarterbacks faults.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: They showed you if they get to an organization that
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: has an idea of how to win games, they can
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: win games.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: What itever occurred to you when we were watching those
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: guys that like, man, you guys, you guys be a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: lot better off if you could swap Mac Jones for
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: either one of those guys right now. I mean, maybe
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to your point of did the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Patriots have the infrastructure around the quarterback to let them
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: have that success that they've had. I mean you look
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: at what Baker Mayfield has.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: And yeah, they do have talent.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Donald had talent last year too.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: You know Tampa, you know, with with Evans and Godwin
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and then Minnesota obviously with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: was just that makes a big difference. They what do
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: they have in Carolina?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, no one really Adam to the corpse
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: of out Adam Thielen I think is of course.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: That's all they got, disrespectful to Adam Bailey.
• 22:42
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• 22:52
  Speaker 1: go places Sure resurrecting resurrecting Fred's thing.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's too soon to jump over
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to the phones here, but it's never too soon too soon.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But I'm feeling like a little trip down to Providence. Hey, Randy,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: what's going on?
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: Hey?
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: How the girl?
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Guys?
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: I'm all right.
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: I had one question and a couple. Uh. Well, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: guess two questions. Kind of do you guys catch any
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: of the there's like some post draft news, you know.
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: And I thought it was a little bit confirming of
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: the peck right because Mason Graham he looked, it looked
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: really rough, you know, his practices in Cleveland and then
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: like and he had kind of been an option that
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: people had kind of kicked around. I didn't think it
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: was seriously given they had already invested in Milan Williams.
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: But my question about the practices the other guy was
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: about Trade Brown Henderson.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Did he ever make it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: Into the rookie medicamp because he wasn't there the first day?
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, And do.
• 23:59
  Speaker 10: You guys know why he wasn't there? And is that
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: something to be you know, concerned about going forward? Was
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: it contract related? Was it injury related?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah? He was he was out there the next day
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: we put out some pictures in practicing. I don't know exactly.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It might have just been contract related, like working out
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: some final details. Maybe that's just me speculating, but it
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: seemed like they signed all those guys at once, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: maybe he was one of the ones they couldn't quite
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: get done into.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you don't have to sign to be on
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: the field at Rooky Minnichamp, just you know, up front.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: So my guess is that it was whatever it was,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: was minor, because as Mike said, we did have some
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: pictures of him on Saturday. I was wondering just sometimes
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: at this time of year, these guys go back and graduate,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: and I don't know if maybe he was, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: it might have been a personal situation where he wanted
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that's what he did because he
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: was there the next day. I don't know, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: but that that sometimes happens with rookies is they want
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: to be part of the graduating class, and I I
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: think that's great when they do it. But I don't
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: know why he wasn't there, and I'm not overlly concerned
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: That makes sense.
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: Somebody had mentioned that one of the other second round
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: picks had signed like a fully guaranteed contract, and that
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: like hypothesize, I guess that maybe that was the hold
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: up that everybody in the second round was now looking for.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: So that could be. That could be in terms of
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: signing contracts, Randy, that's absolutely a good point. I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: it was was was it Higgins? Jalen Higgins, Jayden Higgins.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I think he's the one that signed fully guaranteed. So
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: that's something to keep an eye on if the second
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: round picks end up, you know, being delayed a little bit.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: But again in general terms, that wouldn't keep a guy
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: off the mini camp field. They signed where they get,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: they get their money anyway.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so nothing to worry about, little think. Thanks Randy,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. So jump over to Frez no Speed Speed.
• 25:58
  Speaker 12: What what's going on?
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: He got hear me?
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Are you great?
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: Hey?
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: Hey?
• 26:04
  Speaker 14: It's exciting for the you know, all the all the
• 26:06
  Speaker 14: stuff he's been happening the offseason. I guess just think
• 26:08
  Speaker 14: about Drake May and you know he's spraying the ball
• 26:11
  Speaker 14: a bit last year in his rookie year, and it's
• 26:15
  Speaker 14: kind of to be expected. There's going to be some
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: some struggles but there's a lot to be optimistic about.
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: I guess I wanted to ask coming into this season,
• 26:24
  Speaker 14: what do you what do you look? What are you realists?
• 26:26
  Speaker 14: Do excuse me, realistically expect? And at what point might
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: you start to worry if he's still spraying the ball,
• 26:33
  Speaker 14: like at what week's week three, week four, week six? Ooh,
• 26:37
  Speaker 14: maybe there's some concerns here. I don't know, what do
• 26:40
  Speaker 14: you guys think?
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Thanks be, I would say if he's if he's turning
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: the ball over again, I don't care how many weeks
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: it is, that would be concerning to me. I'm expecting
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: to turn I think we talked about this a little
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: bit last week. I'm expecting the turnover number to drop dramatically.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I think having a guy like Ray and Josh McDaniels
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: on him, I think will will limit some of the mistakes.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: But if they don't, and it's like Spee said, it's
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: kind of like as a result of just continuing to
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: spray the ball, because I don't think he made a
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: ton of bad decisions last year on his turnovers, like
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: mostly interceptions in the NFL will generally in general terms,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: they have bad decisions misreading the coverage or trying to
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: jam one in that we're just not there. A lot
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: of May's last year I thought were just bad throws
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: because I do think it gets away from him every
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: once in a while. So if that continues, that's not
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: a good sign.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's a good question. I mean, I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: think that's the thing that is going to define this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Patriots season. I think they're going to be a solid team,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: but how good. I don't want to simplify it and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: say that Drake May's going to determine this team's entire ceiling.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But he's the quarterback sort of.
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: He's so much more going for him this season in
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: terms of coaching, in terms of the web bins he.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Has now, So yeah, try to get digs up to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: speed quick. You know, how does how does that all
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: play out with the receivers?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: But boy Diggs was in New York last night.
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: Cardi B, Cardi B and the Kendall Jenner.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: He's got like some style he had on like a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: like a hood kind of.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't he go to the Metdala?
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he was at the met Gala. I thought we
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: fumbled the bag with the Instagram caption that we did.
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: We posted a picture of him at the met gala
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: with like the fur we should have put King of
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: the North. It's good.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: That's good. Well, hopefully uh back sooner than later. I'll's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: jump over here in North Carolina and Todd Hey talked.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, guys are gonna start with an apology. When you
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: guys were talking sandwiches, I kept thinking that, Yeah, last
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: year the Patriots had way too much mail under sandwich.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, dudes, I know I just kind of wrecked
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: your stick there with that thought.
• 28:53
  Speaker 15: True.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I really want to know is kind of related to that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: How do you feel the cult is this year compared
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: to last year, with you know, rabled hands on approach,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the just the engagement with the players, the more media president.
• 29:09
  Speaker 16: There seems to be more.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: More coming out of what they're doing and what's going
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: on and where their approaches in last year.
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: How do you guys feel about that?
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: I haven't really sensed it. I mean, I think the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: culture last year at this time of year was outstanding.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I think the players spoke glowingly about you know, Gerrod
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Mayo's treating them like men. And the one thing that
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I would agree with Todd there is I do feel
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: like it's been more football talk that we're hearing now
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: than we did last year, and I think it's pretty obvious.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I don't think that they knew exactly what you know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I made a big deal of it at the time.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: They had an opportunity to do a couple of these
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: weeks and they chose not to because they claimed they
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: weren't ready to. So I think football wise, they're ahead
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: of where they were last year at this time. Culture wise,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I would say it's pretty good right now from everything
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I'm hearing. But I thought it was pretty good last
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: year from everything I heard, and that didn't really change
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: until you got into the season and the losses started
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: piling up. Yeah, and then we started hearing every game
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: postgame bad stuff.
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: I think last year too, a lot of our leaders
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: were defensive guys that had known Mayo for years before
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: he came loved and they had such a vested interest
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: in him being promoted to that level and him doing
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: really well. So in hindsight, maybe it was like, maybe
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: he was too much of their friend than their coach situation.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: But yeah, looking back now I'm starting I'm like, Okay,
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: the vibes are really high, but taking it with a
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: grain of salt.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel a little more sense of an identity,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: But I just I.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Think I do too.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I'm struggling with that with right now. Is it's hard
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to compliment Mike Frabele and this team without it seeming
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like you're trying to take a dump on what was before.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there are certainly elements where people out there
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: are serving things and they're directly trying to take a
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: dump on last year. But it was the same thing
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to last year, when everything you wanted to say nice
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: about Mayo it felt like, well, you're taking a dump
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: on Bill and I mean, and to be fair, sometimes
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I think they did overtly take a dump home, you
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: know what, They.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: That regime had no problems doing that. I totally agree
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: with your summation of that because I do feel like
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: every time I talk about something that I like about Rabel,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I'd have to offer the disclaim show.
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like the pendulum was here with Bill swung
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: all the way over with Mayo. I hope we're back
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: somewhere in the middle.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And I just I want to always try to be
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: fair to drop Mayo because I think, I mean, he
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: was put in a really hard position. But Mike Frabil
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: is an experienced coach who knows what he wants and
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: had a whole year to refine his program and what
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: he wants. And I think what you're seeing from that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: rookie mini camp and even some of the meetings that
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you know we've seen with the media is just that
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: he knows exactly what he wants to do now and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: he's going for it. And I think that's you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: maybe Jirog could have eventually gotten there. But I really
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: liked what Mike Rabel said in that little clip that
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: we put out with him and Kaden Wallace from the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: team meeting, where he said, I don't care how it
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: was coached in the past, this is how I want
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to do it. And you know, I try to take
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that approach a little bit and talking as much about
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: this as we do, because it's like, I just don't
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: want everything. Every time I give Rabel a compliment, somebody's like, well,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Jerrob Murrio was never involved in practice, then was it?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You know, it's they're totally separate, And I think there
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is a way to still praise this regime without it
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: seeming like you're trying to take side shots at what
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they did last year. Submittedly they were in a hard position, and.
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: Again Mayo really only knew what it was like here.
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: Like Rabel, you're getting his experience, but it's not just
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: years of experience, it's experience elsewhere, you know, Like it
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: wasn't part of Belichick's coaching tree. He just played for Belichick.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: He learned how to coach at a bunch of different places.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean I think that was reflected
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: in you know, just as simple as the warm ups
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: before practice, you know, how does it go?
• 32:59
  Speaker 16: What?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Like I thought, I've always thought the coaches here have
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: had really good energy. I mean I thought Bill's practices
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: were always really high tempo and coaches running to and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: front drills, and it just didn't feel like a lot
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of time, you know, being wasted. But I definitely took
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: notice of the energy just overall from all the coaches.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I'd also just highlight Scott Booker was the safety's coach.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Was one guy that really just stood out to me.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Booming voice, knows what he's looking for. Talking to a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: lot of guys watching the practice from the back end
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of the of the defense, he really seems like he
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: knows what he wants and how to get it out
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: of his guys. So I think you're starting to see
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, even Thomas Brown spending
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of time with Josh McDaniels on the field
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: during that practice as well, Like.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Someone was actually watching practice in.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Between talking with you and gigraphy me that. But those
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: are the things I think a lot of people were
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: so focused on, you know, reps and you know, here's
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams running through a little gauntlet like okay, yeah,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like it looks nicey can.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Someone a clip out? And like making the defense look silly?
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I was like, are we serious right now? Like even
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: we had a call at earlier that said Mason Graham
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: looked terrible. I proba, like, no, we didn't. They're standing
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: out there in shorts and they're warming up and they're
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: like going to a shell of a seven on seven
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Like no one's done a thing. Like these kids are
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: just learning what they're doing, you know, and how they're
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: going to practice at the NFL level. They're not. There's
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: no performance at all, no, no, Like no one looked
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: good and no one looked bad. I'm going to say,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: across the board, unless someone got hurt, that I don't
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: know about obviously injuries bad, you know, but.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: No, it's hard. I mean we will get another.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Kyle Williams did not make anyone look silly.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: No, I mean still look like let's say he caught
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: a couple of balls in the seven on seventh period.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: That's nice, like you better than John Giles, right, So
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: to John Giles last year practice squatter who was out
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: there helping with the team.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I was watching that one.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: And we'll also get another look at the full team
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: in OTAs a week from today next Tuesday. So I'm
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: not sure how that will affect PU, but that will
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: be a full group. Ra Abel said on Friday, you're
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: trying to get these rookies up to speed, which all
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: these veterans have been around last five weeks. Crash course
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: for the rookies, trying to get up to speed. What
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it was the same drinking from the fire hose for.
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: How could you?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: That wasn't a shot on how could you?
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: That was the most directly the show was.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: A little bit. I will say this. We're going to
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the phones Christian in l a Hey, Christian, what's going on?
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: You guys?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Are you today pretty good? How are you? How's things
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: out in LA these days.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that things are kind of calm.
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: Down here in l A.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You know, getting the June gloom yet going crazy.
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: People are a little weird about that. But the wedd
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: is nice and that would count.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: No, no June gloomiat that's usually this time of year
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you start getting in June. All right, good call, good correction,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that makes sense, right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: But anyway, you guys, I know we have a a
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: pretty good season coming up. I am watching and take
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: the Kyle Williams and love what he represents on tape.
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: I think we have a good shot at eight, maybe
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: ten Wednesday, if we really pulled things together. My quest
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: for you guys to say, though, it's about one game
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: in particular, and that's a home game, and that game
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: is going to be against the Lost Biggest Raiders. So
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: I sat down you with but we wondered what kind
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: of reception is and should Tom Brady gets if he
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: comes to sit in an owner's box for the Raiders
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: versus New England games. And do you guys think that
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: our Gedule, I mean our Brecord at the time will
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: have anything to factor into if we're you know, people
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: are kind of okay with Brady being there or like
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: with doing bad and they just want everything, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: to burn. What do you guys think about Brady's visits
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: to the New England as the owner now of part
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: of the Raiders.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Christian, I don't anticipate that happening. I think he's
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: got a job and he'll be unless that's podcast, unless
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: that happens to be a Fox game and he's here
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: as the color analyst for the game. I don't anticipate
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Tom Brady traveling to all the Raiders games in the
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: owner's box. He's got a job. He has stated on
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: the record that he's not doesn't have any plans to
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: to stop doing that. Now maybe that'll change, and then
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: in the coming weeks, maybe we'll find out. Oh, Tom
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Brady won't be back with Kevin Burkhart in the lead
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: chair for Fox's top broadcast team, but he says that
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: he's going to continue to do it.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Right, Why would you do that, Bobby, Like why don't
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you just if you own a part of a team,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: like wouldn't and you were loaded, Like wouldn't You're I'm
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: just gonna travel to my team's games. I'm gonna watch
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it from a luxury box. I'm gonna take my private
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: plane back like that, to me, would be the ultimate
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: to own a sports franchise and be able to just
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: follow them and there's.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Something that you really share, something you really want.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: What's kind of what we do right now? Only I
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: don't own the team right like you just kind of
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: follow the team, and.
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: I like to just travel and put my feet up
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: and chill.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I think you're sweet. Is ready for you, Miss Francisco?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: You know, like the whiskey that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Would be high on my priority list of money.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: Money to bring into a Cup games, but.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Money to burn. I don't know if I so.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I mean it's I think I've evolved a little bit
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: in that I can see why someone would not want
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: to own a team with everything that goes into Let
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: me look across the league at what different ownership groups
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: have gone through, whether it's controversies, whether it's you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: selling the team, people want to move the team. I mean,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: there do seem like a lot of headaches. And you've got,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: especially here, you've got sports media up your butt like
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: they're high expectations. A fan base that knows the team
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and and and has had success and wants that success back.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying, though it is pressure fold.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I just think it. How about a minor league hockey team.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not even like with the pressure. I just feel like,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: if I if I'm a huge sports fan, I don't
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: need to own the team. I'll just be a huge
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: fan of the team and go when I want to go.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: And you know, I.
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: Don't think I would spend my money to buy into
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: a team right now. If I was born and if
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: I was like Amara or something different, story like that
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: would probably be awesome. But I don't think I would
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: use my own income to get into an owner. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: think the evaluations are just like way too high of
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: these teams.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Now, I got a question. Maybe you know this, Paul.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I don't want to put you on the spot with
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: this one. So I mentioned I hate when people mention
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: what books they're reading. But I am reading the book, right,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: don't I don't read. But do you know what the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: controversy was with the Giants coaches back in the eighties.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I guess there was like a nephew that wanted the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: ownership and well like Tim Maron, and there was like
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Wellington mar I guess during this time there was a
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: lot of different I don't know the tension within the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: ownership group of the Giants part of why, you know
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Bill Parcells had some of the complications there that he had.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But I just you know, it's interesting, we come here,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: everything seems so stable, but you realize that sometimes when
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: these families do own the team, that family squabbles cap
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and all, like.
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: The Lakers, like Jeanie Bust and her brothers, like and
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: I wonder what that relationships like now, you know.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Sounds like it's good succession TV show, like a actually
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: a family that owns a team.
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: They made a I think it's a Netflix show and
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: it's Kate Kate Hudson.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I think, did you see it? It's terrific. It's really funny.
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: And it's I think Kate Hudson and Brenda Song the
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: songs like her chief of staff. But she's like Genie
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: Buss kind of the l a basketball team.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Not much of a stretch to say. She's kind of
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: loosely based on Genie Bust, and I think Jeanie Bust
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: and producer she I think she is.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: Her brother is the president of the team, but he
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: does a bunch of drugs and has a bender one
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: night and gets to an accident and becomes up in
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: the public eye, and he kind of appoints his sister
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: the next one. Another brother is the GM. Another brother
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: is like the CFO.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: I forget the name of the shower. It's an easy,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: easy watch too.
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: There it was cute.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Beth and I watched it like a weekend.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Well, let's jump up down to Will Campbell's home state
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: down in Louisiana. He can running point, running point, running point, Kennedy. Then, yes,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you're on.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: Hey, I'm calling from Louisiana and I just a second, okay,
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: I was I wanted to ask you about this because
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: I hey, man, how's everything?
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: Listen?
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: I want I am here.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Hell, Ken, you're on a radio show and he's having
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: like three conversations and we're not really a part of men.
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I tell you what, I've got some kind of
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: bad connection here.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I'll call back, all right, Ken, Sorry to hear that.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: It's a shame down Louisiana.
• 41:43
  Speaker 17: He had like three conversations right on the street.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, it goes good to see you. I can't
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: see love it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know that life of just like hanging on
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the radio waiting to get on the show and a
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: radio station only one appearing as.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: A humble bragg.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think you ever a little bit of a flex.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever called college.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: I think I called into uh Dalen Hawley in college?
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Why because they did you have to manage playing them
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: to No, it was.
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: A positive call. Actually, Holly told me that he would
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: get an I would get an A plus in his school,
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: the Holly School of Journalism. But remember we don't have
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: to get too deep into it. But Boogie Gross John
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: Bouchie Gross was like caught up in a scandal with
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: co worker, and I think the Boston the Boston Globe
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: published like texts, but they didn't have her text. They
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: only had his, and it was like small excerpts. So
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: I called in to say, like, hey, I'm just in
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: journalism school, but I think it's really responsible, irresponsible that
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: they published all this and they didn't have the full
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: context of the conversation. Because the way I talk with
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: some of my best friends, like if you just took
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: out bits and pieces of it, you'd think I was
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: a psychopath, you know. So I kind of called in
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: to make that point.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Again. Actually I gotta I gotta share my joke with
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Alex that I pulled with Paul this weekend. I was
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: watching the Celtics on Saturday and Paul was texting me
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: about something and I thought of a joke. I thought
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: him a funny. I thought him a funny. So I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: texted pon I'm like, you know, I think I'm actually
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: going to watch this is like they're up by thirty,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: it's like the third quarter. You know, I think I'm
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: actually going to watch the game. And oh man, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: was no one cracked up more than me. I was like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm getting to Paul. He's gonna leave so hard because.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I thought, like I immediately looked at Bat and I'm
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: like telling her the whole story, like he doesn't really
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: like follow basketball, doesn't really care. And I was just like,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: you know, you do know that the game. The game's
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: almost over. They're up thirty with like three minutes left
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: the third courter.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I had to throw a weight what first, just to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: get jokeing, and I'm like, I'm just messing with you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I will, I will admit when you did the weight
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: what I knew that you do. But but he got
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: he totally got me. And this whole time I'm going
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: back and with Alex about random stuff. I'm like, yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: they're gonna do it again. They gotta just playing an
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: offense and stop Howking. But the Knicks were bad on Saturday.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Though they were not so much less not last night.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: That second half of the Knicks. I have to say,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I've been very obnoxiously Boston centric in my watching of
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: this series, and I still don't really think there's much
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: comparison between the two teams. But the second half last
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: night was the first time the Knicks for any length
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: of time, were the better team. They played unbelievably well
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: in the second half, and the Celtics just couldn't stop them.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: They couldn't get a single stop.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I have a taken in development, and you guys know
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not it's not a big Celtics guy, so feel
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: free to shoot this down. But I've watched enough of
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: this series now to feel like Boston fans are maybe
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: a little envious of the kind of player that Brunson
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is and the way he gets better as the game
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: gets harder. And to me, I don't think that's a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: terrible take. Hearing you guys talk, it's kind of a
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: weird reflection on the things they don't like about Tatum
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and maybe Brown. I don't know to speak totally to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that point, but.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a terrible take. Would say that
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: most people that watch, you know, a lot of the games,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: they'll say, give me Tatum, give me Brown. They're more
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: talented players. But I think Boston in particular has a
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: soft spot for that kind of scrappy, overachieving underdog who
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: tends to be at his best when it matters most. Yeah,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: he's and I think that's a little bit of brunts.
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: In the Knicks fans I've talked to. I didn't watch
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: enough Knicks games this year, even in the playoffs, until
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: this series, but I get the sense from them that
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: they're like, Wow, this brunts In series is kind of
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: not coming out of nowhere, but he's really taking a.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Step up, even for a guy who doesn't watch much basketball.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Just when I flip the games on, it's just obvious
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that that guy is playing at an elite level right now.
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: I Mean, there were so many times yesterday where he's
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: the smallest guy on the floor and he's still getting
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: all the rebounds, you know, like it was a fury.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: He's been in the Laite. The guy looks like he's
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: like in his mid thirties. Two, Like he just looks
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: old to spin around for a little while.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he started in Dallas. I'm spending the Knicks now
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: for what three years? Two? Three years?
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  Speaker 8: Tons about right, Brunts and Burner.
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  Speaker 4: Such an idiot and then they're all like villing over
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  Speaker 1: So I heard that, not an idiot, it's not you,
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  Speaker 8: Then the Philly Philly whenever they can new house.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Ken's back in Louisiana with a better connection. Hey, Ken,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on?
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Larious? Maybe I think maybe we'll table that to Thursday.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: It stay dry well, full lines are open. Give us
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  Speaker 1: a call. We'll get to the emails after nobody eats lunch.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: We will take a break here sometimes at about the
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: top of the hour. But we are entering the official
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: part of the off season where I feel like we
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: need to bust out that game we were going to
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: do with all of that, put their their pictures in,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: it's ready to go. I'm gonna put a final call
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: out right now. So if you're a consistent caller and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: we know your name, email Matt Morrell or I guess
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: the web web red radio, web radio at Patriots podcast
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  Speaker 1: podcasts at patriots dot com and just send them a picture.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do who's that that caller, and we'll figure
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: out a fun way to do it sometime over the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: next couple of months.
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: Here's we maybe in a video form or we'll get
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: them up on the screen or something. But yeah, we
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: got a couple of great submissions, but there was a
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: couple of regulars. I was a little disappointed to not
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: see anything yet.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll get on it in Claire case Eldred participate.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: We all know what unfortunately, but should be like the
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: only woman that's true. Well, we have a couple. There's
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of callers. You have, like an old collar
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: from the Chicago area, Paul that was a big fan
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: of of here a woman there's a big fan.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Of Cat Cat in Chicago.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, trap, I got it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: And she was a like good fan who would offer
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the critique when it needed to be too. I wonder
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: where Cat is. She was like redoing a house in Chicago,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: and then we haven't heard from her for a long time.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: It's funny how that works for.
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: Renovations.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Man, almost like social media, where there's all of a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: sudden you realize you're like, I haven't seen that person
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and forever on social media for whatever, you know, reading
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  Speaker 1: like somebody just drops off the face of.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: The earth, and then you start thinking, oh, I hope
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: you know everything is okay. Yeah, you know, it's not
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: like you know them, know them.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But then suddenly someone random calls in that hasn't called
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: in for like a year or something, and you guys
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: instantly remember who they were.
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: And I wis you could send wellness checks like I
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: here's a quick everything going good?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Well the newsletter?
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: We'll check and watch some of those shows. What's uh?
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: What's the one Alison Victoria That one on HG TV.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: She does one of those rehab shows. Yeah, do you
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  Speaker 4: watch watch?
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: I think TV was my backup plan if sports media
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: didn't want to go.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: That's funny. I think she I think she was in
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Chicago and that's what this The cat in Chicago's like
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: rehab project. That's what it reminded me of all the
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: time listening to her talk about it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: But house flipping.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: This wasn't flipping this. I think they bought something like
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: downtown that they were completely redoing. If I'm not mistaken,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: heard her husband the.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Real estate game. It's tough. It's tough out there.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, are you a mogul?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: No, I'm definitely not. But are you dreaming of next
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• 49:52
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• 50:28
  Speaker 1: So Quinn is real. I can confirm that, Paul, you
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  Speaker 1: know who that guy was. He's the one that's driving.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I think he played the Ben Gardner. He's like that,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: said mothers. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 4: It was the guy who comes outside with the pipe.
• 50:39
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  Speaker 1: He's the one who guys like that whole when they're
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• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Sorry Alex, but well, Jows is coming back into theaters
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: this summer, and I think we need to do a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: team outing of that. We just talked way too much
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: about it. It's gonna be playing right there at Patriot Place.
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  Speaker 4: Do a little team to this particular summer. But I
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  Speaker 4: would definitely be interested.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: An eleven o'clock show you about nine am, we about
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  Speaker 8: on the cape and make it really an authentic experience
• 51:23
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• 51:26
  Speaker 1: All right, Alex, Alex, you got your first email. Alex
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: is on the on the booth in the covering new
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  Speaker 1: Alex Boy Alex to be confused girl, Alex. But Rick
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: is writing and saying, can you update the opening credits
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• 51:42
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• 51:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the times, you know, flex your muscles.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: This is probably a question for father Fred. Hey, guys,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I know I probably have to ask for Father Fred.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Is the statue thing for Brady still happening or is
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: that in eighty six. I'd like to attend the ceremony
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: if it is. Thanks to my Week one prediction Week
• 52:05
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• 52:10
  Speaker 8: I feel like it's a timing thing, a schedule.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. I think that is the issue currently,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: and it judgs back to what we talked about about
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: fifteen minutes ago. He has a job and he's kind
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: of busy on NFL Sundays. So I don't know, I
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: don't know what the status of the statue is now.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Definitely status of the statue, it's not easy to.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: It's think commission I don't know. I just want to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you commissioned a statute, what else do you do?
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: Do you think it's done and it's just like a
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: storage somewhere.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: You think it looks like Dwayne Wade or Ronaldo Rinaldo's statue?
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: Is I'm certain?
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, I don't know what it looks like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: but I would just say, like, I hope that it
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: looks like Brady like, but football playing Brady like. I
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: would say, if you had to pick between helmet and
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: helmet off. I think i'd lean towards helmet on like
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I would to play.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know anything about it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: And he's just you know, standing there like I wouldn't
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: want that Abe Lincoln or something not for me. I'm
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: not sure I get this one. Maybe you guys can
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: get it from Christopher and Clemson South Carolina Afternoon PF
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: as we begin to gear up for the upcoming season. Stuff.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: They used to call it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Yours PFW in progress. Now it's PU.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Everyone's enthusiasm is on the rise for their currently undefeated team.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Which performance indicators are you most looking forward to seeing?
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: When in the past I e OTA's training camp first
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: quarter of the season, were you able to confirm that
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: your indicator showed about the team? So I think I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: get what he's getting at, which I do think is
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: an interesting question because so hard to discern in training camp.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I've now watched I don't know, six training camps with you,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and I think you can kind of tell a little bit,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you know, like you don't want to believe it sometimes.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: But last year was was you could tell after Philly
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: they were going to struggle movie.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's hard to watch practices and say they're
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: going to do this well and they're going to struggle
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: at this last year. In the year before too, were
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: definitely outliars to me. They were so bad offensively. They
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: struggled so much offensively in my view for practice. Usually
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: in practice you find a way to complete passes and
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: move that it's not always going full tilt, so the
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: defensive backs aren't breaking on receivers to knock passes away.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: You know, there's not a lot of contact. So generally
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: the completion percentages are very high. The last two seasons
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: it hasn't been very high. Like you could see they
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: were going to struggle offensively. But I don't know if
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: you can watch that and say, well, this team's just
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: not very talented. They're going against each other. You're right.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: When they went to the joint practice against Philadelphia and
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: got pushed around like a little boy, it was hard
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: not to take that and say this could be a
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: long It's.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Hard too, because I think I wouldn't have thought the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: defense would be that bad last year, and but injuries
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: really hit, and you know that kind of started to
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: unravel things. You know, Dugger was banged up all year,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Bentley was out, Peppers had his issues. I mean, we
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: go right down, you know, Christian Barmore, of course at
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that point shoot on. You know, it's ah so. But
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I think also of like a guy like Jalen Polk
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: that we watched have a pretty consistent camp and then
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: he can go the other way to a few games
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: and you know, I think that touchdown that wasn't was
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: really weird.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: But that's a great example of why I don't think
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: you can necessarily do it that way the way the
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: emailer is looking for it, because I would say rookie
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: year Taekwon Dowton looked like he could play, and certainly
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: rookie year Jalen Polk last year looked like he was
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: going to be a big part of the offense. And
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden it happens for real and
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: it doesn't look the same way. Because practice is practice,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: and you can you can glean some stuff. What I
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: always take away from it is I look and I watch,
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: and I say, Okay, this Malcolm Butler kid who's a
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: rookie who I don't have any idea who he is.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: They look like they kind of like him because he's
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: in a lot of groups with like Devin mccordy and
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Stefan Gilbert. You know these other guys that you know
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: are gonna play. Why do they keep putting him out there?
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: They must like this kid, and you can extrapolate that
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff, but I'm not gonna tell you I
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: knew at the end of that year he's gonna make
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: the play of the NFL.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: That was the same for me witnessing them when you
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: that year of just thing pick.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: Out there all the time, he's gonna play. You know
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: he's gonna play. At the same time last year when
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: it's a revolving Dora at tackle was telling you they
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: don't have any idea who's gonna play tackle. You could
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: see it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: It's also interesting I thought at the receiver position last
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: year and again this year that they had a lot
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: of bodies, not a lot of delineation for who's the
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: best every but he is kind of specific roles. But
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: it was interesting last year watching Kashan Boudi emerge, not
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: somebody that really you know, started the parade.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: For and again not in training camp. It was once
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: the game started, it was like him and pull changed roles.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's the point too. Paul is that once
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the season starts, things can change quickly quick whether it's injuries,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: whether I mean I made the point with Polk the
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: game that he didn't get his back foot in thought
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: he had the game winning touchdown, and really, for me,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: it looked like from that point was when he just
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: started to lose his confidence and needed to hit the
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: reset button. Never really was able to. Then got hurt
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: But quickly.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I've said it before that last year showed me last
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: two years that every loss makes it worse. Every loss,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: things get worse, People get a little bit more pissed,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: people get a little bit more clipped, and you know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: it's just it's not fun to be around a team
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that continues to drop games, especially when you feel like
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: they've kind of lost lost the plot. I guess it
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: was like you're not really gunning for the playoffs anymore.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: War you're just kind of trying to run the string
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: out here at the end of the season. But Polk's
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: such a great example of that where I just head scratcher,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: thought he'd be productive, thought he would at least contributing.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of guys, but you know, when
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: you have your fifty three man roster when the season
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: opens and you look and you're like, oh, that guy
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: was here and he was starting. And then all of
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: a sudden, it's like ten twelve weeks later and you're like, wow,
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: I don't even remember him being on the team, you know.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: And there are different examples of different caliber players. I
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: remember the year that they had the you know, all
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: the tight ends, Scott Channing, Remember Scott Chandler. Scott Chandler.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: At the beginning of the year, you're like, this guy,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: he's gonna he's gonna be a big part of this team.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: And he catches a touchdown, I want to say, on
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: opening night against Pittsburgh. And then by the time that
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: season's oh, you don't even remember Scott Chandler was part
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: of the team, yeah, let alone being part of the offense.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I called him Scott Chandler. Of course, that was like
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the never ending search to find the calm ement to Gronk,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Like every year there was a new but they had
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: fourths tight ends and they're gonna do this, you know, revolutionary,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and by the time you get like five six weeks in,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it's like, no, Okay, that didn't work.
• 59:11
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  Speaker 3: Chris Alex get into it's been a while. Yeah, a lot,
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  Speaker 3: a lot's happened.
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  Speaker 8: But thank god that's over.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 15: First.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you've heard, but we
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 20: also had a Hall of Fame announcement. As I get
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 20: into this email from Sean, Hello, gents and lady up
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 20: to say I'm upset with the Hall of the Hall
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 20: decision is an understatement.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 20: I guess I should have known when the bandwagon one
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 20: that came and came on in twenty fifteen, would vote
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 20: for the guy that has a stupid podcast to be
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 20: in the Hall of Fame over a guy that helps
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 20: start a dynasty.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, Edelman deserves to be in, but he needs to wait.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 20: Shame on the Hall of Fame fake committee for putting
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 20: him on the ballot. You can save those lunches for
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 20: the next four years, because this is how it's going
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 20: to go twenty twenty six. Gronk twenty twenty seven, mccordy
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 20: twenty twenty eight, Slater twenty twenty nine, Andrews. Why put
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 20: guys like Adam Adam Vinteri, Megan's Russ, Francis Welker who
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 20: should have been in before Edelman? Or that about Monty Beisel. Sorry,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 20: I can't pronounce that right. It's a waste of time
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 20: time to change the process. You don't listen to the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 20: fans about a uniform chain. So that's so, that's so
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 20: desperately needed. Don't know how that gets proud. Yeah, you
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 20: listen to fans for a very oh so, yeah, you
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 20: listen to fans for a very important decision.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Get the process fixed.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 20: Now, as a fan of those nineties teams, it would
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 20: have been special to of Adam and parcels going together.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: He spelled it seam.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 20: But Sean mack Freeland, Pennsylvania, lot's take in there.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get what he's saying. By the way, I.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 9: Understand the frustration and I agree with it. But at
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: the end of the day, like the younger generations are
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: more online, like I don't know, I think who elections
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 9: are important?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: You guys, you gotta get hold with these elections.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 9: Think make a bought, make it bought, and just ram
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 9: your candidate.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 21: I just think the argument too is Edelman state of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 21: the team. There's that, and I like, again my generation,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 21: everything I knew was winning growing up, and I attributed
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 21: that with Edelman, Brady kral.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 20: Well, Minitarry kicked off like our generation and that being said,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 20: like got to vote online like the older people prior't
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 20: voting online. But I think this lineup he has might
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 20: be pretty I mean, he's Gronk.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: Most of that email is the fact that McCarty's already
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: going to be ready to rock.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 20: But he also left he left out his career, he
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 20: left out High Tower, like like that being said, like Adam,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 20: but Hary is gonna get pushed down.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: I think, I know, I may.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 21: I think Gronk is that next year, but then Pastor,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 21: I think he's gonna win.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 15: Over a mccordy in that first year. I just think.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 9: That's going to bring up another question is who gets
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: in first High Tower mccordy. Yeah, I've had so many
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: so like there are plays that High Tower made in
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: multiple Super Bowls that were not winning those games without
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: clutch playing.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 21: Indeed, I also think though the Devons, I mean they
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 21: both had long jeviny, but I think Devin's like overall leadership,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 21: Like they're both leaders, but I think overall, like Devin
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 21: was more like that focus like on the defense.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 20: You know, so we got we got that Edelman this year,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 20: and I think you can pencil in Gronk.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: I think for the year after then then I'll get
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: a little interested.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I think Vin Terry will be Tony twas.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 20: He definitely deserves to be in. But all right, next one,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 20: hilarious lines from last show. This will be interesting because
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 20: Alex wasn't on the show. We were on the show,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 20: So all right, dear Patriots Unfiltered, Hey guys, last show,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 20: you kind of glossed over two lines that made me
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 20: laugh out loud. The first one, the first one of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 20: the darkest. That was one of the darkest, funniest things
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 20: I've ever heard. Right at my alley when Paul said
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 20: that Tim Tebow failed, I almost split up my walk.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 20: Later in the show, Deuce was saying, the Jets are
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 20: in year fifty one of a rebuilt Thank I needed that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: You got That's Thursday show I was on.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 9: Okay, it was hilarious In hindsight, Duce, it's so great
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 9: for those little like quick line you just gloss over.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 15: But they really have been in a rebuild album.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 20: Well, just thought, I can't get over that the Rogers
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 20: situation failed so poorly. It was either going to be
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 20: Super Bowl or I didn't think it would be as
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 20: bad as it was. No ye, like it'll be forever
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 20: etched in NFL history of him running out anniversary September eleven,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 20: and that was a flag And now he's still signed.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 15: Trying to figure out what he's doing.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I think up on the Steelers.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 21: I don't know what the whole is.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 20: Clip with the Commander's draft room. Hey, everyone, just curious
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 20: event you saw the video of the Commander's draft room
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 20: from a few years ago.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: It's been circulated on the internet.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 20: It was really interesting to see the Patriots try to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 20: move up, probably for Gonzalez, only the Commanders traded up instead.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: How we still ended up with the better player. Would
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: love to know your thoughts.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 20: Eric from Rochester, he asked, Christian from LA seems like
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 20: the type of guy who would have passed on Gonzo.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Why would he do that? So for this, Bean said,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: have you seen the clip?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Have not?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Have you say so? Similar to the similar to the Eagles.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 20: With the Justin Jefferson thing where they got laughed about
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 20: them not taking him.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: It was Commander's draft room. They're trading up.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 20: Van Ness got taken and then their GM was like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 20: we're taking Forbes.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Like it's like between Gonzon and Fores like.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 20: Forbes is the better player, which is interesting because now
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 20: Forbes is not even on the team anymore. He's on
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 20: the Rams and the Pats got very lucky. So a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 20: bit of that could be the Commander's Nikhil Harry's situation
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 20: with their cornerback issues.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 21: Yeah, I think the Pats locked out with Gonzo for sure.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 21: Forbes had a lot of upside coming into that draft.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 21: He was I think one of the I think he
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 21: was the top rated to get back get in the draft, so.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 15: I mean said a lot.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 20: Yeah, he did little a lot, which is crazy because
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 20: I'm pretty sure if you redrafted that he'll be top five.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 21: Gonzo is one of the best covery corners that organ
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 21: so I and in the pack twelve where they packed
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 21: telve at the time back then. So I mean, I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 21: don't know, it's it's definitely up for debate. But it's like,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 21: how do you know in that moment, what hell these
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 21: players would turn out?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 21: So it's like kind of hard dolling coutos kind of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 21: back and forth.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 20: Yeah, all right, Hi guys, are you surprised that the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 20: Patriots did not draft a quarterback?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Quin uers would have been a good pickup.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 20: Is there any news of Pats interest in any free
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 20: agent quarterbacks or trades?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Yemmy in Texas, do sign any undrafted guys?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 20: There's reports that we were bringing in a camp body
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 20: more or less. But right now we got Drake May,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 20: Josh Dobbs, obviously, Joe Milton what the Cowboys Paul always says.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 20: I mean, there's no like, it's not bad to drafted quarterback.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 20: It's good business because you're gonna hit on one. I'm
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 20: a little surprised, but personally, I think this franchise might
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 20: be a little traumatized.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: The Bailey Zappi, Matt Jones, de Vacle.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: And then even the Joe Milton ye, which.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: You heard some stuff, but you know, you know, you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 15: But you never know the full story.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Dobbs.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 20: Dobbs is a great veteran, He's been in the league
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 20: for a long time. That's what you want with.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 21: The back they're locked. You obviously drinks your starter. Dobbs
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 21: is a really solid backup quarterback. I mean kind of
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 21: serves a similar role. If Drake were to have started
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 21: all year last year and Scobian with actually just kind
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 21: of that he's been been.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 15: Doing it for a while. He's been in for a while.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 21: So those two are locks, and as far as whoever
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 21: comes in as well, Like I mean, they're just gonna.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 15: Learn from those two ahead of them.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 21: So I think grant scheme of things that extra person,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 21: regardless of who it is, I don't think it matters
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 21: too much to kind of what's going on, just more
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 21: in the fact that you can develop and kind of
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 21: grow onto them.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: I think it just speaks to to just the type
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: of draft it was. It wasn't a quarterback to you know, not.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 15: All I'm drafting Shandora.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 20: That would have been crazy if he's just there, all right.
• 1:08:44
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  Speaker 22: I mean, I think it's a balancing act. And I
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  Speaker 22: mean I think building a team, you don't want to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 22: get too young. You want to still have some veteran presence.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: But uh, but did you hear that? You know?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 22: I also don't think you can turn it all over
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 22: to we haven't even eaten yet, Fred. What are they doing, Matt,
• 1:09:51
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  Speaker 20: Like what is Rambo?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 4: What is that look? But I'm coming to get you, Yeah, Todd, I.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 22: Would just say, though I think generally, you know, Paul
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 22: and I are the same page. It's just like this
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 22: team has to get younger.
• 1:10:16
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  Speaker 21: Right, No, you don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: there speaking a little bit. Caught some of the highlights.
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  Speaker 1: no surprise had maybe the best year of his career
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  Speaker 1: there with Josh back in twenty twenty one, and No
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  Speaker 1: Williams had thought out a good story that everybody tweeted out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, somebody tells the story to podium. He gets
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  Speaker 1: seventeen different accounts from it within three seconds. But he
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  Speaker 1: said he was leading a sprint race and kind of
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  Speaker 1: let up a little bit at the end, and Rabel
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: yelled at him a little bit and said, you know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: you got to set the tone. Don't wait up for
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: anybody you know'll finish as hard as you can. So
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: in a little little glimpse behind the curtain there of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: of Mike Rabel with mil Williams, who's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a huge part of this team this year, arguably the
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• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest free agency fishes this year. Talking
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  Speaker 4: Two of my favorite blogger types.
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  Speaker 1: Oh great guys, But we were talking just a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about the defensive line, as you know, I am,
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  Speaker 1: I am want to do. That's probably why they had
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you on. Yeah right, that's exactly right. But just wondering
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: how it's gonna all come together. It seems like Barmore
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: has been around, which is encouraging. All we know is
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: we've seen him in pictures working out here, which I
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: just take as a positive sign. I don't know what
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: his prognosis is right now, if he's beyond it, if
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: he's still dealing with it, but he's here. That's encouraging.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Getting him and Milton Williams out there at the same time,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: that feels like that's the special sauce for this Patriots defense.
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  Speaker 1: If they can get those two guys, and this defense
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  Speaker 1: has largely been remade, I think schematically it's going to
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  Speaker 1: Last point, I just want to bring up Paul, because
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  Speaker 1: we didn't talk about it. Was Terrell Williams, which was
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: also announced Friday you brought that had a health issue.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Spoke with reporters on Friday afternoon, catching people up really
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: His message was, don't take things for granted, take care
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: of yourself. I think he's intimated that he had taken
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: things a little bit for granted, maybe not taking as
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: good a care of himself as maybe he could have said.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: He's still been very involved with the team, checking in
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: via zoom, all that stuff. Hopefully he's back soon. And
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: he lastly had high praise for Zach Kerr, who was
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: with him in Tennessee, who will be kind of running
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: the defense, leading the defense at least in person until
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Terrell Williams is able to get back. So unfortunate news
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: kind of the first little bit of I don't know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: think it didn't break great for the Patriots.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: I would say this offseason. Otherwise, they've had.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: A pretty good offseason and things have generally broken in
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: their favor. But we'll see when he's able to get back.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: So hope he can get back sooner than it.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 8: Was encouraging that he was able to hop on a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 8: zoom because to me, it looks like he's probably trending
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 8: towards getting better and coming back, or as if I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: think it were still a more dire situation, maybe they
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: would still just be like they.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Let him speak for himself, right, I mean that was
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Brabel came out, made the announcement and then said we're
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: gonna actually let you guys speak with Terrell in person
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: on Friday afternoon.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I was.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: I was encouraged by that too, and again just had
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: such he got really emotional talking about Mike Rabel and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: what Mike Frabel is meant to him from the trailer
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: we saw earlier a couple of weeks ago for Fortune
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: in Foxborlle. He said, you know, yes, the opportunity to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: be a defensive coordinator was the reason to come here,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: but really the biggest reason was Mike Rabel. So you
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: just like you see the loyalty from the guys that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: he's worked with, that they want to work with him.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I mean stretch John Striker was out with the Rams.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know exactly. I think it was
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: game management kind of stuff, but still an excellent organization
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: out there in the Rams there one year. Didn't hesitate
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: jump right back to Mike Frabel. Seem everybody knew that
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: that was going to happen as well. Uh just says
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: it means good things to me. I just no one's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: surprised that I'm excited about my friend Will being the
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: coach of this team, but everything that's kind of gone
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: on since he's got back, I just I think it's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: it's really encouraging and it's exciting to watch this football
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: team come together. I've only I was leaning about it, PAULI,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I've only I've seen like, oh, I've seen three coaches
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: like here, you've only seen four. You've been here like five.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Times last year Peter Carold was my first year.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 23: Other than that, because in my mind, I was trying
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 23: to compare, like, because we've seen some joint practices too,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 23: so I have some experience seeing how other teams kind
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 23: of run things a tiny bit.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: It's always when you do those joint practices, it's always
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: geared towards joint practices, so you don't know if you're
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: getting the real practice. Example was when we were down
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: in Philly, remember a couple of years ago, everyone were
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: talking about Philly's doing shorter practices. There we went and
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: then yeah, it was it was a very different practice
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: than we were used to watching for the Patriots. So
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I love that kind of stuff. Love getting the.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: Same to the super Bowl twice in three years, right, true?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Really you bring that up again.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: It's amazing to be on the practice field for eight
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: hours to find a way to win games if you
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: have talent. But I one thing that you said that
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: I really agree with is just how the defense has
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: been remade and they're gonna be I don't know, a
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: half dozen minimum new starters, right, I mean Harold Landry
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: and Milton Williams and Robert Splaine, not Sperlaine, but Spillane.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I mean Carlton Davis, and that they're going
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: to be a number of guys playing prominent roles that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: are that are new. And now the you know, like
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: you guys know how I always operate. Mike is a
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: defense guy. I'm the concern guy. I get worried about
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: stuff because that's just my upbringing. And how does it
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: all fit together? How do the new how do the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: new piece at the most so then you even can
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: imagine now, but how they all how the new pieces
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: all fit together?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: And what worries you most right now, Paul Perillo about
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: this team Patriots.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: For the Patriots in general, would be the offense and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: can they can they be better?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 11: Can?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: If you have to pigeonhole me into one thing, Drake May.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: Does Drake May take the year two jump and, you know,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: sort of cut back on the mistakes and become the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: guy that we all think he can be. Or does
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: he sort of stagnate and like kind of stay that
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: super talented but erratic rookie that we saw last She.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 8: Tapes out too Now, you know, like it's not like
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: he's this young fresh guy coming into the NFL. No
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: one really knows what to expect other than what they
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: saw from college. And now he has a whole season
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: that he put together and started.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: There was one player you could think of, you what's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: your number one? No, I think that that's a really
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: good one. I feel like the defense will be good enough.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: I think that they have an aggressive scheme. I think
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: they might get gashed at times with big plays because
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: that's lived by the sword by the sword. But I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: think they'll do enough to be able to disrupt opposing offenses.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: But I guess the question I was thinking about when
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: you said that is who's second behind Drake? Who can
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: do the most to help Drake have that year? Is
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: it Stefon Diggs getting to the level he was at
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: with the Bills and what he did for Josh Allen,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: is it the offensive line getting stabilized?
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: And I would say that, I would say the second one,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: and you know kind of Josh McDaniels falls into that.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: You know, how much better does the entire operation look
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: because it's more cohesive in terms of its structure. And
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: I would put that on Josh.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm interested to see. Just when we
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: get out to OTAs next week, that'll be something. Again.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: It's not so much the players the performance, but just
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: not that we're getting back to who has the walkie talkie?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Remember those days in.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: Twenty twenty two, who's got the walkie?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Who's calling the place? We didn't know? But now that
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: that Josh is back, just that was I spent a
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: lot of time watching him during the rookie mini camp
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: practice too, but he was a little more hat hands
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: off than I thought maybe he would have been. I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: don't know if if if there had been Drake May,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: was there a rookie quarterback that he really had a
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: couple of kids, your kid from Brown as well as
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: who is the the other player, the other quarterback? I'm
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: blanking on his name, will the other guy? I got it,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: I got it written down right, let's see. That's why
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: I bring my death chart everybody. Yeah, Ben Woolridge, Ben Woolridge,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: not will wolves Ridge from Louisiana. Louisiana. So I thought
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: those guys looked okay, wolds Reach guy's got a chance.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just interested to see the dynamics of
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: who's coaching who and who's wearing all that. We'll get
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: another guns next week.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of change, a lot of change.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Jump out Alex's Neck of the Woods and agawam, it's Patty, Hey,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Patty going on everyone much? What's going on with you?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 13: Driving back to my shop, I'm done, I'm pretty much
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 13: done with work for the day. But I just want
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 13: to do all you were talking about Drake May and
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 13: the second year jump, and just to kind of piggyback
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 13: off of that, I'll give you one of the reasons
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 13: why I'm optimistic, and that's, you know, the fact that
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 13: he did look good last year. You know, he looked
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 13: a little erratic. But I'll say I'll kind of mammullion
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 13: on that and say I think he's gonna look a
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 13: lot better with this coaching staff, especially with Josh McDaniels.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 13: But another big reason why I'm I'm very optimistic. Is
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 13: I just look at like the first four picks at
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 13: least offensively like that they made this year, and I'll
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 13: even lump in Folk. I'm not going to give up
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 13: on them. You know, the Crafts, the bet this year,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 13: I'll give up on him. But like the oldest guy,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 13: the oldest guys are full twenty three. Kyle Williams is
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 13: twenty three, and everyone else is younger than that. And
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 13: I think if they can all develop like together and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 13: learn and you know, make mistakes and learn from their mistakes,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 13: I mean, we got even if they're all just good,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 13: good players, you know, we got a pretty good young nucleus.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 13: And I just wanted to see what you guys had
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 13: to say about that. And that's it. I'll talk the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 13: guys either Thursday or next week, NICs.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Patty, to find out how competition plays out.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: Hard to say I'll tell you about the young nucleus
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: this time next year. I have no idea. Yeah, I
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: mean I didn't really get the whole youngest thing. What
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: about Diggs, what about Bourn, Hunter, Henry? I mean, those
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: are the guys that I think are going to be instrumental.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: I would even throw to Mario Douglas in there, if
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: it's going to be we're just going to rely on
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Kyle Williams as a rookie third round pick and Jalen
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: Polk to somehow overcome his struggles from a year ago.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to be in great shape,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: but I would expect Digs to at least be competent.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: At the very baseline, he's going to be a competent receiver.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: I think to Mario Douglas will benefit from being a
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel's scheme. And I think Kendrick Bourne, as you
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: mentioned a little while ago, had his best year as
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: an NFL player, So can Josh mcgenial still tap into that.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: Or they look at Born and say he's a guy
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: we need to move and we need to make way
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: for Kayshawn Booty. But those are the guys like I
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: don't really care how old they are now. Is it
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: a nice thing if Kyle Williams turns in let's just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: see seventy seventy five catch, eight hundred yard season as
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: a rookie, Well, that is fantastic to have a young
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: receiver like that that can go the next four or
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: five years with Drake May, that would be absolutely ideal,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: but I don't need it to be that way. I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: don't have any problem if it's to Mario Douglas making
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: that leap or Stefan Diggs sort of solidifying the whole
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: thing and making making life easier on on Drake May.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: I don't really care how it happens. Would it be
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: ideal if it's it's a couple of the younger guys
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Jalen Polk bounces back, and everything that we thought we
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: saw in training camp last year we see this year
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: in the regular season.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 15: Great.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah's who's the chain mover? That's my question.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: Because I think it's got to be Douglas. I mean,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: but if you go to the whole Josh McDaniels thing
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: with that volume slot.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Guy, doesn't he scare you with him as a volume guy?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: With his size.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and his catch radius he's small, feels like And
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: now Welker had a small catch radius and he caught
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: a million passes. So I'm not telling you it can't happen.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: They're all just so specific, and it's born has an
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: element of run after catch. I would say he's a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: little bit of a gadget kind of a guy. Booty
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: is an outside guy who was pretty much shots right
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: shots to him.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: I mean there wasn't a lot of but Henry can
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: do that too. Henry can chain mover kind of thing.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: That's why I still hold out a little bit of
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: hope for Jalen Polk. I just I think he's got
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: the size. I don't know if he has the quickness
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: necessarily to get open as consistently as Josh might like
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: him to, but his physicality it stands out to me.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: And just gonna make a prediction. Ready for a prediction,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: let's go. Fred always likes to tease me because I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: pre arrange my fights in my head. Right, I invent
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: that he Polk had a great campus.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: No he didn't.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: That's going to be the debate. That's my prediction. There
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: are going to be an element of people saying bounce
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: back year two. Yet, well, I mean, look, look, everybody
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: wrote off Polk, and then there's gonna be another segment
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: of fans that are going to say, yeah, we wrote
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: them off, and he said, this is what we saw
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: last year, he thinks, and who knows who's gonna end
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: up being right. But that's gonna happen. There's going to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: be a wildly differing opinion on Jalen Polk once training
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: camp is over.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: He's intriguing to me just the way that Josh views
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: his skill set and how he can play with that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: A little bit. I think I don't know how.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: To compare him to like with Josh as had in
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: the past, Givens.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Is that wrong? You saw more Givens in person than
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I ever did, But I just see him as a
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: bigger kind of physics.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: So I would say if he was Givens, that's kind
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: of feeding into what I'm saying about how wildly different
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: people's version are going to be. Like he could play
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: like that and a lot of people would say, yeah,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: he's a bust and he could play like that, and
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of people say, see he's got something. You know.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 8: I wonder how much of it was mental for him
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 8: last year.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: I think it was a big like it was a
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: big part of me. That's why I worry about it.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 8: Getting one? Was it once or twice early in the season.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: That well, there was one he didn't get feet inbounds,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: and I think he thought was a big drop. And
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: then there was one in the back of the end
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: zone that his heel came down, and I think he
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: thought of it.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: And my bigger problem was that he thinks he was
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: in he thinks they were catches. That's my bigger problem
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: with it. And so instead of just saying ah, and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: I was close, Yeah, what could have been, It's like
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: I'm now I'm fighting everybody.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: And then wasn't there a thing where Gerrod was kind
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: of just chalking it up to like it's a mental thing,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: he'll learn and he'll grow. And then he walked. He
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: kind of contradicted.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: That he got met like, yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: A maturity, mental thing. Hopefully he gets past that this year.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 8: That's my opinion.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. That was the biggest problem, Alex,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: and that's why I'm worried about it. Well, that's it's
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: hard to just sort of magically fix. Well.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 8: I wonder if Rabel will just kind of just demand
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 8: a lot better, Like I think Rabel commands a room
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 8: differently than Gerrod did, whereas I think they all really
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: liked Gerad. But it's like it's your friend, it's not
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 8: your I don't know.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. And again, this is
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: going to go back to what I said of not
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: trying to crap on last year's not But do you
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: feel like that offensive coaching staff brutal gave him enough
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: tools to be successful, and once things started to go sideways.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: With it, they gave him too much too soon.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I know they said that. They said that, and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: that wasn't really what I was trying, And that wasn't
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: really what I was trying to get at. It was
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: more just they didn't know how to save them. They
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: didn't know how to when you see a receiver, maybe
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: you have experienced with this Paul hitting a wall or
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: hitting a rookie wall. That happens a lot, how to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: get somebody out of that funk. Because for him, after
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: that moment with his heel in the end zone, it
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: was a consistent.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: But that's my point about why I worry more about
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: the mental because if you just look, he drops some
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: passes last year. Receivers drop passes sometimes. But if you
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: if you're really having a problem with concentration, focus catching
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: the ball, you just I mean, you're catching a thousand
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: balls off the drugs machine before every practice, you know,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: you just really like, I gotta focus. It's a physical
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: thing and I can get over the hump. Yes, it's
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: part of it is mental, but it's a physical thing.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: I need to catch the ball. When it's a mental
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: thing and you're dealing with these kinds of it's it's hard.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: Like media asking about it always constantly.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: But you know, like I was, this is going to
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: come as a shock to most. Like when I when
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: I played, when I pitched in college and my whole life,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: I was always hard on you know, the umpires, Like
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: the umpires would drive me crazy, right, and I never
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: wanted to be that guy, but I always ended up
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: being that guy all the time, no matter how much
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: I thought about it, no matter how much I I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: focused on. Okay, no matter what happens today, I'm not
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: going to give the umpire a hard time, not going
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: to give him a second look. I'm not gonna bitch.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna pitch. I should have used that, right.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: I never I was never brought enough to come up
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: with that back in the day. But I would. I
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: would sit there and I would pitch, and I would
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: go like six innings, seven innings, and I'd be like
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: I felt like the Empire didn't miss one pitch. This
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: is like great you know, five innings, six innings, seven innings.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I have like a two to
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: two pitch in in the eighth inning, and he missed it,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: and he missed it, and I'd lose my have a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: love in mind?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Now you miss one like one pitch.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: I was like, what happened? You had this whole thing
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: like you would go. You were staying calm today, And
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: as soon as I thought I got wronged once, I would.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: I would flip, you know, not openly, but I would.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: It would bother me.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 8: Perspectives, every would bother me, perspectives everything, Like if you
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 8: think the world's out to get you, yes, you think
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: the world's.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: Out there, the world is all to get you something,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: it's probably not. I tell Mike all the time. Just
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: because I'm parano, it doesn't mean they're not ought to
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: get me.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: It's a classic VIC quote right there, right jumping back.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I got an over under game here from Kyle I
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: believe in Pembroke. Yeah, there's only one Kyle, and he's
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: from Pembroke. Over unders, guys, here we go wins seven
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: point five.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: It's a good number, and go over. It's a good number.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say over because I want
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: to be positive.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. You can be negative in some of
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: these other ones.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: May passing TDS thirty point five under.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's a big number. I'm gonna go under.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Two May interceptions ten point five over, it's a good number.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Diggs receiving yards eight hundred point five, it's gonna say
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: a thousand yard seasons.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say under on that.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say little pup, Pup, pup, pup.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: I could, yeah, I could change that based on eleven games.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: What I see, what he's able to do as the
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: off these nunfolds.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna take the positivity theme.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: But what you said, you said pop for Diggs.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Pop.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: If he starts on pup, I don't think he's gonna
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: get eight hundred yards.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: So that's an easy way to say it. Eleven games only,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: But he was on track for a thousand yards last year.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, just barely.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Williams Kyle Williams receiving yards four hundred point five,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: it's a solid number.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: Just staying positive. I think I'm gonna say it over.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna stay over to because it's just interesting how
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: it's gonna shake out with how many guys they have,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 8: you know, like there's so much competition at that position.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: We're going to so many questions on that over the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: next two months leading up to start. I'm just gonna say, now,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Someone probably will get hurt and someone
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: will get cut that you don't expect, but it's hard
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: to say right now. Gonzo interceptions three point five.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the under on that. Yeah, they think
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: people are going to stay away from.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Them, they don't throw them.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Key On White sacks five point five.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: Take the over on that. I don't think that's a
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: very big number.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Take the over two. I'm gonna surprise some people with that.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I think the other guy's getting more attention. Maybe free
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: some things up for key On White to dominate games
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: scoring thirty plus points Paul two point five. I gotta
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: get back on my number of when the last time
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: they exceeded thirty points was.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the under, but that's that's a low number.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: Two and a half. I mean, you get a couple
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: of pick sixes in the scene, you know what I mean, Like.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go over bridany alex positivity training.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: There you go, all right, yeah, I'll change. I'll go
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: over just to stay on the positive.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: One more game scoring less than twenty five, ten point five.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: Under ten point five eleven times they're going to score.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, under twenty five?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? What are you doing here?
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: I can't you know what. I can't do it again.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: I can't keep doing it. Got a punt, punt punt?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: Oh man, I can't do it.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Tim from Lington Spy ponders, say, Tim, what's going on?
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 16: Hey guys, how's it going? I have two quick things,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 16: and the first one is a serious football question, and
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 16: the second one since I've been listening to Unfiltered slash
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 16: PFW in progress since I was in college, it's directly
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 16: specifically at Paul Perlo. I just have a question insights,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 16: Oh all right, my football question that I'm happy to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 16: take both off air. My football question real quick is
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 16: I know Josh's going to have a new system for
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 16: direct well not a new system, but he could have adjusted.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 16: It's not going to be the same as Brady. He
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 16: adjusted with Cam. He adjusted you know, in Oakland or
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 16: Las Vegas. YadA, YadA, YadA, But my football question, and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 16: then I'll ask my TFW question, is what made Josh's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 16: system so much more complicated? It's the minds of some
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 16: because I listened to NFL players, like even receivers who
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 16: quote unquote got it, like Brandon Marshall talked about how
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 16: he had many playbooks throughout his career, and Josh's system
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 16: was by far the most complicated. Everyone keeps saying getting
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 16: on the same page as quarterbacks if I take it
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 16: that side adjustment, and there's players that said the route
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 16: would change three times sometimes after the snap. That was
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 16: a Patriots player to one of the Boston media. But
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 16: I can't imagine Josh's system is the only system with
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 16: side adjustments and it's not the only iteration of the
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 16: Earnhart Perkins. So the football question is what made what
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 16: made Josh's system more complicated? And are there any worries
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 16: for receivers like Polk even if it's not as complicated
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 16: as he has to think more and a large partisan
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 16: issues were with concentration. And then my PFW question, And
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 16: I waited ten plus years fast this because I didn't
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 16: want it to be in bad taste. But Paul, do
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 16: you remember when Eric went on his safari to Africa.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: I do do you remember how I think Andy kept
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: joking about him getting eaten by a lion, and you know, hey,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: it would have been a bad event, but it would
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: have been a good story, great, great story. I believe
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: you called it him.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 16: Exactly well. Andy at the time, I think was also
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 16: training for the Boston Marathon, and there was some jokes
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 16: made that hey, if something happened, you know, it might
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 16: be bad, but it'd be a great story. And then
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 16: obviously the tragedy of this, yeah, you know, the marathon.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 16: My question is, what was the reaction, you know, after
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 16: everyone knew everyone was okay and Andy got back in
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 16: the studio, was it.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 13: Like a oh crap.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I can really hear the great story stuff afterwards.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: I think you did the right thing, tim by waiting years,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: ten years to do that, because I do think it
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: would have been perceived to have been in poor taste.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: It did leave an impact. Andy's family was very near
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: the finish line at the time, so yeah, it would
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: have been definitely no matter how soon you did it, it
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: would have been too soon in my mind for Andy.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I know where you're going. I see
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: where you're going. It's one thing to sort of joke
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: around about something that didn't happen and joke around what
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: something that did happen was that impactful?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Thanks Tim appreciated, what good question.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: I do think that the Iarhart Perkins system relies a
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: lot on post snap adjustments and whatnot. I think that's
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: part of But I think what made it so complicated,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: I think was Brady's advanced nature of it and his
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: ability to do more. It's probably the same kind of playbook,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: but maybe Raiders receivers and Bronco's receivers didn't take it
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: as being as difficult as some Patriots did. And I
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: put that because Brady was just at such an advanced level.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: It's something that I think it's forgotten when you talk
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: about the complexity of the system. And I mean, I've
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: been just as guilty saying that post snap reads are
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: a big part of it. I think Evan would push
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: back on that too and say there are a lot
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: of teams that do that.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: I think another part of it too, though, is that
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: you learn concepts, you don't really learn routes, and so
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: you learn concepts and then you can theoretically be moved
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: to any position on the offense. So it's not just
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: learning your spot, it's learning a more holistic approach, like
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: looking the big picture of how I can get it.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: But I think you're totally right, Paul. With Brady, I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: don't think he gets enough. And look, what do you
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: expect him to do? I mean, the guy's awesome. He's
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: been in the same system forever. He's got a high standard.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: You've heard it now where he'd say players like you
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: run it that way, you ain't getting the ball like
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was how Tom Brady was. The hope
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: is that now Josh has started over with Drake may
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: and it's more of the base level, and that this
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: group can grow together. That goes to what one of
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: the earlier callers just said about the young nucleus. Well,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: all right, it's great if Kyle Williams and you know,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: these guys can all understand it together and that together,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Patty said.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: And that's a great point that you bring up, Mike,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: because I don't remember a lot of people in the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: first iteration of the dynasty talking about how complicated the
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: offense was, and that's probably not a coincidence because Brady
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: was at the same level in that offense as Troy
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: Brown and David Gibbons and David Patton and those guys
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: that were all, you know, a big part of his weapons.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: The second part of the Dynasty, Brady is now at
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: a you know, super level PhD compared to the receivers
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: that are coming into it. He just laughs or makes
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: it more complicated, and.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: He could just look at Josh and be like Cleveland
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, Yeah, that's or like that shorthand we experienced
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: something little flex.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: Right there by Deuce because I don't know if you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: know this, Alex, but Mike and I sat down and
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: we talked with Josh McDaniels, you know, about some of
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: brad comebacks, so you know, and when some of this
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: was on camera, some of it was off. We were
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: just riffing, you know, we're just talking ball, chewing the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: fact we're just talking ball. You know, we're talking offense
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: in particular passing game. But that was the kind of
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: stuff that that Josh would throw out. Like we got
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: to a point where we could just look and we
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: talk about our game plan and be like, oh so
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: like Cleveland and whatever. Yeah, right, you know that that
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: game that we did this, this and this because Cleveland
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: was doing that and they just knew exactly instinctively what
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: each other was talking about. Why it is different now,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: It's also.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 8: Like, at the same hand, well, Tom and Josh are
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: just becoming like they're molding into almost maybe like the
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 8: same brain. Offensively, I don't watch enough college football to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: speak to this, but I hear like the game's really
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 8: been dumbed down significantly.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: I picked this is an element of truth.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 8: So you're also you're getting these two guys that work
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 8: together so long, and then you have guys coming in
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 8: who are used to the dumbing down to the college game,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 8: and then it's probably a lot for them to take in.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I mean I think that's I think
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: there's some truth to that.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: You just you can't expect in I think any industry
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: to walk into a room where there are two guys
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: who have worked together for twenty years and in an
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: environment where it's rapid and you have to be on
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: top of everything, and these guys just know how to
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: do it together too. Then I feel for some of
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: these wide receivers that would come in and I think
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: some of it was still misscouting and not quite understanding it.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think Brady always held
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: the bar so high for these guys and he never
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: really got it was always the system. It was never
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: really like Tom, could you just go a little easy
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: on mkill Harry for a couple of months and let
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: him get some confidence before you start not throwing the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: ball to him anymore.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: But not every guy who failed failed because he couldn't
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: pick the system up. You know, like a guy like
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: Ocho Sinko probably struggled, you know, mentally, you know, learning
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: the system. But like Aaron Dobson and Taylor Price, and
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: you know, there was those endless string of love saying
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: them of second and third round receivers that came in.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: They didn't all fail because they couldn't pick the system up.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: Some of them probably did, But it wasn't all about that.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: Nikhil Harry's problem wasn't mental. He wasn't that good, wasn't
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: that talented.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, they're giving you
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: a playbook with the answers to the test. And I
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: would hope that if you're diligent and you study that
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: you cannot understand mentally, maybe physically it might not translate,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: but like there's not a lot of excuse to like,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe another sort of really off the wall example. I
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: remember when they traded in what it was it eighteen
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: or nineteen whenever from Mohammed Sanu, and he came in
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: and he got like ten passes like one of the
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: first weeks he was here against Baltimore in that blowout loss.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: But he was on the same page with Brady immediately.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: He was a veteran who came in and he picked
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: it up. Now physically he wasn't the same guy anymore,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: and I think he actually hurt his ankle in that
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: Baltimore game. He was a bit player the rest of
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: the way. He never really did anything. It was bad
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: trade as a result, they got too much for him.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: But mentally he picked it up. He physically couldn't be
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: that guy anymore. Second round pick, Yeah, think you have
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: a second round pick for him player. Most of it's
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: goat to Ohio, talk to Brad, Hey.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: Brad, hey, crew, how are you doing this afternoon?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Good? Are you man?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: Think? Pretty good? So just to reiterate and go back
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: on a couple of callers and Jalen Pope. First of all,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: you know, I know you all probably agree the amount
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: of dysfunction that our offense was in last year, and
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: even the offensive line and the rookies that we had.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's probably just hard to press to kind
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: of judge them based on how it functional and ankally
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: incompetent the whole coaching staff was compared to what we
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: have now, especially so I mean, I'm not even going
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: to say that they can't play or anything until I
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: acted to see him in a Josh McDaniel's offense where
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: they may have an opportunity to flourish some like some
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: of these just see as you were speaking at but
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: the givers where you know they weren't super gifted their
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 6: mark players d M brands, and they put right in
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: with Josh McDaniels. And then I think Polk had storted
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 6: like Brandon Lafel maybe or Malcolm Mitchell if he could
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: turn into something like that, maybe, But what do you
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: think about that, about how much dysfunction that we were
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: just trying to weep through last year to get them
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: on their and then mentally they didn't have no one
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: there to go to, like Jared Mayo just wasn't I
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 6: don't think capable of being able to harness their emotional
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: distress and that in that regard. So what do you
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 6: think about that stuff?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks Brad, anybody we got.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's an awfully optimistic way of looking at
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: your talent. Like it was all the coaches fault. Maybe
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: it was. I don't know. Like I've heard a lot
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: of I feel a lot better about X, Y and Z.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: I would probably tell you that I do too, but
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I felt pretty good about a lot
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: of the things left. You know, Scott Peters came over
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: last year as the offensive line coach, and he worked
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: under one of the best offensive line coaches to who
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: has ever done it right in Callahan, Bill Callahan. Now
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: you're calling him dysfunctional. Maybe he was. I don't know.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not behind the scenes. You guys were all talking
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: about the strike system and all these different things that
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: they were doing that were innovative or you know, a
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: better way to do not innovative, but maybe a better
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: way to go about it from a physical, you know,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: technical standpoint. Now we're calling all those same things that
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: at this time last year I was being told how
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: much better it was, and now it's all dysfunctional. Maybe
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: it was, but maybe this is going to be dysfunctional too.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 8: Well, if you want to talk about dysfunctional, that year
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: prior with Patricia felt like the most dysfunctional.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: You know, absolutely didn't even have you didn't even have
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: a strike system.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: So relative to Adrian Klim was the offensive line coach
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: two years ago and like halfway through the year he
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: was gone, and then Bill O'Brien was forced to run
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: the offensive line meetings as well as run the offense.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: Like that's dysfunction. No, like they actually didn't physically have
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: coaches in place. O'Brien was doing it all.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 8: I know, here's dysfunctional the offense.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: So like, I don't know what it's going to be
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: like this year. I mean, they have like three offensive
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: line coaches. Is that is that a recipe for dysfunction? Maybe?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. I saw the development though, from
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: going from twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four where
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: you had Scott Peters. Wow, we just have an offensive
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: line coach. Now we seem like we have like the
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: correct whole position.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: Everything was going to be better and.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Then this year you still have that. So I like that,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: But I like your point. People want to get, you know,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: carried away right now. Everyone should be positive right now
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. If you can't be positive right now
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: when you're zero at zero and you got two months
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: before training camp, I feel bad for you. But you're right.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: And that's what's great about this game is that until
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: you get on the field, guys start hitting other guys,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: injuries start to pile up. How the teams manage those
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: things you don't truly know.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: Like if you think they went four and thirteen last
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: year because of coaching dysfunction, then I think that you're
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: being very optimistic because it wasn't just about I mean,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: and I'm not telling you there was no coaching dysfunction.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: There was, yeah, but they had a talent deficiency across
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: the board that led to the coaching dysfunction. They went
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: four and thirteen the previous year with the same kind
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: of talent. They brought it all back. The reason why,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: if you're going to put a gun to my head
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: and say you got to pick one or the other,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: do you think they'll be better or the same. I'm
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: definitely saying better because I think Mike Rabel and Elliott
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: Wolf and Ryan Cowden went to work in this off
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: season and said the problem is the players. We need
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: better players, and they went out and signed fifteen sixteen
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: free agents, ten or twelve of which I think are
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: going to be very important players for this team. They're
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: not all gonna hit, because they never all hit, but
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: I think there's a better chance that they get ten
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: or twelve guys that are playing significant roles and contributing
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: that are gonna be better than the guys they replaced.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: If that happens, you'll be better. But I can't possibly
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: know that for sure without having seen it.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I left that practice on Friday with the hope, seeing
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: how involved Mike Fable was that this is the kind
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: of coach that can take a player who hasn't quite
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: broken out yet but can provide the conditions where this
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: player can excel. We saw a little bit of that
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: last year. I would say Drake ish, I wouldn't like,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: wow when amazing. I mean, he had his issues last year,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: for sure, but generally I think he looked competent and
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: was able to demonstrate the quality skills that he has.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: But otherwise on the roster. Last year, it maybe Ben
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Brown is another example of somebody who came out of
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: nowhere and at least was serviceable played.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: But is that are You're going to be happy if
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: Ben Brown's in the.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Center And that's and that's that that goes to the
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: heart of the point I'm trying to make, is that's
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: just last year there wasn't a blossoming of a player
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: that comes out of nowhere. And it happens a lot
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: across the league. There's always, you know, and I credit
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of that to coaching. When those unique players
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden blossom. You don't know why or how,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: but and that's what I just am hoping. I'm not
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: sure great.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: Like we're talking about like the secondary and they've upgraded
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: the number two cornerback spot with Carlton Davis, and we
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: know Gonzo is there and he's you know, second team
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: All Pro, so we feel good about him. They might
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: need a third guy because Marcus Jones hasn't been able
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: to make it through full seasons here, so they might
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: need someone to augment him. If Craig Woodson could be
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: one of those guys that sort of blossoms into something
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: a little bit more than you think. He was obviously
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: someone they felt really good about. He was a high
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: fourth round pick, which means you come into Day three
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: and Day three opens, you had the whole night to
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: think about it. They traded a lot in Day three.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: They moved around a lot. They didn't move out of
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: that spot because I think that they identified this guy
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: who had played six years of college football. I cal
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: now full disclosure. He was one of the draft profiles
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: that I wrote. So, yeah, but you get on board
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: when you when you talk to these coaches and it's yea,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: is it an exception?
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: I feel about the kicker, let's go look, but it's.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: Like an exceptional young man. You hear these kinds of
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: things and you're like, and you can.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 8: Even just in the draft. I don't know if you
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: guys were probably doing the show, but he probably stuck
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 8: out to me the most in the post dropt interview,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: like right after being picked, it's like, Wow, this kid,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: you can just tell is super intelligent.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: He was described to me as an A plus person,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: so like if he's got some ability and all of
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: a sudden, he's like the sixth defensive back and he's
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: playing a prominent role instead of like the Jalen Hawkins
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: of the world or the Alex Austen's of the world.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's better than those guys.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: I love that you brought him up, Paul, because he's
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: the one player. Referenced Giardi's piece today as well, said
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: the one player when you talked to split, quite sure,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: it seems like Ellie Wolf and company they saw something
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: in him that they were willing to have a little
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: bit of a gamble on. There weren't didn't feel like
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of gambles in this class. Was
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: pretty much paint by number, which I think we all liked.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: But he's a really interesting player to me and somebody
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: that it felt like they did their own thing on him.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: And if he does blossom like that, I think it's
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: a positive sign in the future that if they do
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: go off the beaten path a tiny bit, that maybe
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: they're making the right decision. We got Aldred coming in
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: hot here right before the end of the show. Ha Aldred,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: thanks for calling.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 24: Hey, Bith Alex Aldrid, Hey, question I heard some from
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 24: you earlier. Alex the picture, Yeah, where do you send
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 24: it through?
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 8: We are looking for you to send a photo of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: yourself in so that we can play I guess that
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: regular caller game.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: I think we all know what you look like. Eldred though.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 24: I think so my email and the Twitter. Yeah, hit
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 24: hit you up and pall up too.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: I have you on.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: That's all right, You're you're in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: P that's a different category. Mount Rushmore, pulle, Well, thank you.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 24: I appreciate it. I got two questions and I'm gonna
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 24: let it go at there hit pick it off the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 24: air quick. One is I started a rookie camp somerom
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 24: the pitches and stuff, and then had John Jaws one
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 24: of the ones from last year with the rookie anything
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 24: looking into that or they gonna do what they got
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 24: they cut them at the end of the year.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 12: Or excuse me for the year start.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 24: And the other question is can anybody help feel for
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 24: the fireman nor Carolina coach. I didn't like him at
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 24: the GM love as the coach, but this image as
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 24: a legendary.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: Coach, it certainly is.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: The latest from Pablo Torre is that you know there's
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: a one it becomes a one million dollar buyout on
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: June first, and he thinks that's not not all of
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: the rama possibility to exercise that, and he never coaches
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: a game for North Carolina. I'd be surprised if it went.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: I think if you go through all of this, you
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: got to see it through at least try to get
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: the benefits of his coaching all the kids. But it's
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: a mess.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Met with and promised they came there to play for him.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: It's a mess.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: It's a mess. Uh, gotta get through some emails here. Sorry,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: didn't do a good enough job today reading.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: I think you are fantastic, mad you tell yourself.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: Sure, thank you. Listen, Luke and Virginia. I feel like
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: the roster is much more filled out and sturdy than
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: it's been a couple of years. But just wondering, is
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: there any position group or player that you feel like,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: if they go down or if we suffer an injury
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: to that position group, we're legitimately in deep do do?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: Aside from Drake, love the whole PU team. Send all
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: my thoughts and prayers to Evan, who's most likely in
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: Dante's seventh Layer right now, And the subject of the
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: email is I love you, Paul. So we'll shut out
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: from your own nice I've said it before. Harold Landry's
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: my guy. I don't I think that's a that's a
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: tough one. They were to lose him. I think they're
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: counting on him to be their every down defensive end.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: This is not fair what I'm going to answer, Will Campbell.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell, Yeah, it's a good one.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But I do think that they're sort of dangerously
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: thin at a number of spots. I think they've really
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: I agree with him. I think they've solidified the roster
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: in a lot of areas. They've upgraded the talent. We
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: just kind of chronicled some of it. But if you
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: get you know, a couple offensive line injuries, you know,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: if Diggs can't be healthy, I think the wide receiver
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: group largely looks the same, which isn't good enough in
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: my view. Splain you know, kind of like when Bentley
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: goes on last year. Yep, Yeah, Milton Williams. I think
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: that's a little bit.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe why Jack Gibbons is here as a little spellin insurance.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: You feel good about that? I mean.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: No, And I wonder who's gonna start next to Splaine.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: As you know, I think we're gonna hear from Gibbons Thursday.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: I think he said to me with the media, I
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: want to know a little bit more about him.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Tell me tell me more about yourself.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: Well, no, because I kind of envisioned him as just
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: kind of like a scrappy like you know, underdog stories,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: kind of special teamer who can play defense. But is
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: he more than that?
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: Is maybe I'm selling I'm sure, maybe I'm being Christian.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Ellen's more than that is?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: It's where there's I think this just reinforces what you're
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: trying to say. Is that splain every down player?
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: For sure? I think, I mean what he's done in
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: the last the racers come off the field.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: So what happens if you lose that kind of player?
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they have a little bit of
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: of depth to deal with, Like if a Gonza were
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: to go down, or Carlton Davis might thrust somebody like
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Alex Austin into the mix of maybe him. Those are
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: always the third fourth cornerback competition.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: We're tight. Never spoke a little bit of a bigger,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: a little bit big never spoken to the man. He
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: doesn't pp much like everybody else either a whole or
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: he doesn't have any idea.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Come out from Georgia. Number one, what do you think
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: we can trade to get Trey Hendrickson to need New England?
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: And how do you guys think mac Hollins can help
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: this team this season? Mac Hollins probably the only receiver
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: we didn't mention that talking about wide receivers. And I
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: see him as in a trench number five, like who
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: has some size for the outside, has some experience, can
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: play a lot of special teams, has some deep playability.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I I like the player. It's just
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: he's not going to be anything. He'll be the spot piece.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: Someone I think will go and he'll be like four.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 8: But to me, he brings like a leadership presence to
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: that room too. Has a real stoicism about him though
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 8: so grounded literally and figuring we.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: Get to the bottom of that one. And Trey Hendrickson,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I I keep saying it. I wouldn't
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: be opposed to adding another veteran.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: They certainly need a like a Clowney, they need a
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: pass rusher, but I don't see them giving up resources.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe now, maybe you can get them for pennies and
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: the dollar.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Claire, Hi, everyone, Marine, apologies, I have missed some of
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: the show making dinner, but it's anything been mentioned seen
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: on the U d F A tight end CJ Dipprey uh.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: And Also I was gonna ask if I could participate
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: in the collar quizling but totally shot me down. Yeah, Claire,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: we know what you look like. So if you can't
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: do it, sorry you have to sit this one out.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: But we will entertain. I mean we saw CJ. There,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: he's other on the sidelines right near us in the
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: practice on Friday. He was doing a little of a
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: little of this, a little three point stance. We'll get off.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: It's time to talk to about media, right.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: I talked to Haven's and and and Steve and and
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: Mike Debate yesterday about about you know, specifically about him.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: They asked, I just, I think you always are, like
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: with Henry and Hooper, you're always curious if maybe a
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: blocking tight end could sneak on or they just happy
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: to use somebody like Cayden Wallace third third tackle tight
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: But I think it's a you know, it's a valuable
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: question if you get a guy with some stand in
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: your pants. I said to those guys. I'm like, when
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: do you think you would get to the point where
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: you're like, could we just there's no more blocking tight
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: ends out there, Like no tight ends can block anymore.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: They're all six two two forty and you know, just
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: want to run around with the ball in their hands.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: With just the athletes. I don't blame them trying to
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: get them in space matchup, you know, trying to get
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: matchup nightmares.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Not like eighty five powers. See that's but it's funny.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: It's like watching some of eighty five where we talked
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: about this where the tight end was just an afterthought.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: All Derek Ramsey I think was a couple. It was
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: more of like an h back pass catcher. But yeah,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: Lynn Dawson was what you're talking about. Rod Rutledge and
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: oh one. He laughed at me once when I was like,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: do you think you'd be used more as a receiver
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: a week? He put put his arm around.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 17: He just thoughted the laugh trains left the station. Was
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 17: Wiggy was a past catcher. Wiggy was a past catcher. Ye,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 17: he was bigger, but he was more athletic than his
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 17: than his parents. Let's do playing high school basketball. You
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 17: covered him at East Boston High.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
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  Speaker 4: You shut him down right, No, I covered him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I thought you may cover him on defense, Harold,
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  Speaker 1: take the guy who's going to be in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Looks like a good athletic matchup. I was at the
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  Speaker 4: Herald at the time covering the games.
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  Speaker 1: Forgot about your big Jay journalism background, Small j at best.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to read this one from John Luke from
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee originally Rhode Island. I would love to be able
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  Speaker 1: to see the Titans game as a primetime game. Not
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  Speaker 1: being selfish since I'm going to that game. Last year
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  Speaker 1: was my first Patriots game. Bro got video of the
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  Speaker 1: Drake May miracle. I'm thinking storylines for that game for
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  Speaker 1: able versus old time team going against Cam Warred for sure.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Evan and Mike have been great hires. However,
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  Speaker 1: Evan tends to come off as wine and when defending
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: valid points. I figured out why Deuce wanted asking genty.
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  Speaker 1: There is video of asking draft prospects their nicknames, and
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  Speaker 1: one of Ashton's nicknames is Deuce, so I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: So when Mike would have been interviewing you, double duces,
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  Speaker 1: we could have we could have done the double Duce
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  Speaker 1: Squared two squared. I didn't know that though.
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  Speaker 4: The curb in a hurry, didn't he?
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  Speaker 1: Pep and the Deuce is a better name the Pep
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  Speaker 1: in the Deuce with with Alex, we need something for
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  Speaker 1: you to get you into this one.
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  Speaker 8: Something to do with going to the bathroom. I can't.
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  Speaker 8: We'll think of it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll find something. All right, Well, I think that's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it for us here, guys, is that we
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  Speaker 1: made it through this Tuesday without our feelish leader Fred and.
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  Speaker 4: Great jobs checked it moving.
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  Speaker 1: Today. Allergies, allergies hitting me the hair no good. But
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  Speaker 1: we will be back Thursday. We're expecting that Jack Gibbons
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  Speaker 1: will stop in so we'll get to talk to him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about the linebacker position. You know. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be excited about that. And we should have Fred back
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  Speaker 1: in the mix schedule tomorrow though, stay tuned and Yesterday
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  Speaker 1: documentaries on Friday. Yeah, and we'll see. We'll do a
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: wellness check on Evan tomorrow. See on Thursday.
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