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The Late Debate | 16 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General. Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. I'm Kayla Bond with
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  Speaker 2: Frey Leach and James Willis. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Paul was just talking about it. Climate change is big business.
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  Speaker 2: That report for Blackout Bowen that said we're all going
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  Speaker 2: to die and we'll be underwater if we haven't already
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  Speaker 2: burned to a crisp. That costs more than twenty million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And counselors are spending your rate payer dollars to go
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  Speaker 2: to climate conferences, including one that Paul alluded to there,
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  Speaker 2: who also charged his council for a course on speed reading. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm not making that up. More on that in
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  Speaker 2: a moment in the papers. The thirty three year sentence
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  Speaker 2: handed to mushroom killer Aaron Patterson could be appealed. Exclusive
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  Speaker 2: details on what the prosecutors are thinking in tomorrow's Herald
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  Speaker 2: Son and later some news from the dogs of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Now they haven't worked at the flying bit yet, but
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  Speaker 2: apparently scientists are making anti aging drugs for boochers, so
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  Speaker 2: we will tell you all about that. Meanwhile, universities are
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  Speaker 2: racing to the bottom. Now that may not come as
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  Speaker 2: a surprise to you given the massive numbers of international
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  Speaker 2: students we keep bringing in because well they pay full
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  Speaker 2: tot odds and the unions just want to take their money.
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  Speaker 2: And now the students are all using chat GPT and
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  Speaker 2: other AI services to write their assignments for them. So
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  Speaker 2: some of the unis have said, well, hell, if you
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  Speaker 2: can't beat them, you may as well join them, one
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  Speaker 2: of which is you, the University of New South Wales,
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  Speaker 2: which has now done a deal with chat gpt to
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  Speaker 2: make it part of the suite of software that will
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  Speaker 2: now be available to its staff. Ten thousand employees at
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  Speaker 2: the University of New South Wales will now be able
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  Speaker 2: to use a proprietary version of chat GPT that will
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  Speaker 2: god bless it not be able to take the information
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  Speaker 2: that academics put into it to train the chatbot, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've got to worry about intellectual property only
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to academics, apparently not when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to journalists and artists and everyone else. But anyway, they'll
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  Speaker 2: have access to this version of chat GPT that the
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  Speaker 2: academics will now be using to but I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: write their lectures and mark students work and do all
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  Speaker 2: these other sort of gear, which kind of begs the question.
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  Speaker 2: And this has been my argument all along with AI.
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  Speaker 2: If you are using AI to do your job, at
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  Speaker 2: some point that AI bot will learn how to do
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  Speaker 2: your job for you. So if they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: using chat GPT to be academics, why can't we just
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  Speaker 2: get chat GPT to be the academics.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it'd be great if we could, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that's where we're headed, to be honest, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I mean the problem is though in the public service
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  Speaker 3: and universities are the same.
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  Speaker 4: Even when they.
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  Speaker 3: Have productivity improving technology like AI, somehow headcounts still continue
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  Speaker 3: to grow.
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  Speaker 4: So I actually have no issues with this.
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  Speaker 3: I think chat GPT is just a better version of Google,
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  Speaker 3: and if you're doing complex analysis research projects, I can
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  Speaker 3: totally see how it will make their lives a lot easier.
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  Speaker 3: But therefore we should see a corresponding decrease in the
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  Speaker 3: number of people employed in academia.
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  Speaker 4: We will not see that happen.
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  Speaker 3: The universities will continue to cry poor, continue to demand
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  Speaker 3: more public funding to produce very little and now we
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  Speaker 3: know even little less work is going to go into
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  Speaker 3: the research.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things with this. At
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  Speaker 1: the moment, we seem to have this novel approach to AI,
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  Speaker 1: like how cool is it? Oh my god, it's just
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  Speaker 1: saved me twenty minutes of my time. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: to write emails anymore. It's making reports to me on
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  Speaker 1: the spot. But I agree with you, Caleb, there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a time, very very soon where, whether what
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  Speaker 1: is available now or the next stages of AI, where
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  Speaker 1: big companies are going to figure out like the banks
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  Speaker 1: have already started doing, like a lot of people have
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  Speaker 1: started doing when they say, well, do you know if
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  Speaker 1: you go to this website now with your bank, you
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  Speaker 1: don't even have to speak to someone on the phone
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  Speaker 1: robot that you can talk to and get all the
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  Speaker 1: answers that you need. That's one less job, probably ten
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  Speaker 1: less jobs, if not fifty less jobs. So we're at
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  Speaker 1: a very slippery slope at the moment. Big business is saying,
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  Speaker 1: get involved, we want your hands on AI, we want
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  Speaker 1: you to be telling it how you're working. We want
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  Speaker 1: to make it easier for you. But there will come
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  Speaker 1: a time when suddenly this does cost jobs. And the
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  Speaker 1: other thing with unis as well is that when we
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  Speaker 1: start to talk more and more about online, Eventually the
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  Speaker 1: unions is going to say, hey, do we really need
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  Speaker 1: these campuses, do we need to be spending money on
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  Speaker 1: these facilities, or can we just do this all remote.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll cover that in a sec The thing that
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  Speaker 2: I find funny about all of this, it's not necessarily funny,
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  Speaker 2: and it's quite sad, probably, is that the point of
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  Speaker 2: academia and go to university or school or whatever you're doing,
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  Speaker 2: is to expand your mind and to expand your knowledge
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  Speaker 2: base and your ability to do research, and your ability
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  Speaker 2: to evaluate things and assess things. And so the more
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  Speaker 2: that we say we'll bring things like AI into the
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  Speaker 2: academic world been I think quite anti academic. We're saying
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  Speaker 2: the machine will do the thinking for you, when surely
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  Speaker 2: the point of study is for you to be able
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  Speaker 2: to learn to think on your own. And we have
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  Speaker 2: this situation now where but people aren't even going to
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  Speaker 2: physical universities anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You talk like any of these academics have had an
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  Speaker 3: original thought in their life.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's the problem. Academia is not what it used
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  Speaker 4: to be.
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  Speaker 3: The levels of research, fraud, of plagiarism, just of poor
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  Speaker 3: quality research are honestly staggering. I don't think we're going
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  Speaker 3: to be missing much, if anything, I think research will
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  Speaker 3: probably improve when chat GPT is doing it. But I
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  Speaker 3: do worry about the generation of young people growing up
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  Speaker 3: relying on CHATCHPT.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: One of the ways you could counteract that is by
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  Speaker 3: forcing them in person to engage in the socratic method,
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  Speaker 3: actually have discussions with your peers, with your tutors, interrogate ideas.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not happening.
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  Speaker 3: And there's this article that we saw today coming out
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  Speaker 3: saying this may be the death of in person lectures.
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  Speaker 4: I certainly saw it when I was at UCID.
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  Speaker 3: Participation rates at in person classes it's through the floor.
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  Speaker 3: People aren't even going in person anymore. And then students
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  Speaker 3: will on the one hand complain about poor university experience,
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  Speaker 3: but then on the other hand never show up to
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  Speaker 3: UNI at all. You can't have it both ways.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes, it's kind of the UNI's fault when you
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  Speaker 1: firstlya COVID was a big factor me when all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden people couldn't go to class. But there are courses,
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  Speaker 1: and I hear these stories all the time about people
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  Speaker 1: that have seven or eight hours of actual learning a
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  Speaker 1: week and the rest of it is up to you
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  Speaker 1: to be learning as you go, so you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of encouragement and a lot of sort
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  Speaker 1: of motivation to be actually going all the time. I
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  Speaker 1: guess for UNSW they want to be training chat GPT
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  Speaker 1: to be thinking in their very closed university space as well.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, who knows. But it's certainly an interesting development.
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  Speaker 2: And I just feel so sorry for the kids these days.
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  Speaker 2: You know the point of UNI and I didn't go.
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  Speaker 2: I did a condic chip. I learned journalism on the job,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is a far bitter way of doing it,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest. But the part of the port of
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  Speaker 2: UNI is not actually going to study. It's to meet
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  Speaker 2: people and get on the piss. And now they're taking
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  Speaker 2: the fun part of it away.
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  Speaker 1: The traffic by parties and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you've got to do the study and
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  Speaker 2: then you don't get to blow off the steam at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the week because you don't meet people
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  Speaker 2: and you don't form those connections that then go on
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  Speaker 2: to be contacts that you use later in your professional
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  Speaker 2: life and lifelong mates and all this sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're just living in silos. Now, no wonder
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  Speaker 2: we have a loneliness epidemic, and we're just building a
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  Speaker 2: world that makes us more and more disconnected and lonely.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's really sad.
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  Speaker 4: And school's definitely not for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of the style of learning that's now
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  Speaker 3: been adopted, the pedagogy, it really does favor girls and
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  Speaker 3: it says sit down, listen for hours and hours and
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  Speaker 3: hours on end every day, and a lot of boys
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  Speaker 3: are feeling really disaffected by that. An SA veteran, Anthony Moffatt,
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  Speaker 3: has a really novel idea though, for how we can
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  Speaker 3: combat this. He says that anyone who drops out of
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  Speaker 3: school after the age after year ten should have the
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  Speaker 3: option of doing a form of national service. Now, the
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  Speaker 3: ADF already runs a gap year program for people after
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  Speaker 3: year twelve, but he's saying, let's bring that younger. And
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  Speaker 3: I personally think this is great. I think we should
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  Speaker 3: be having a conversation about national service across the board.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, another way to hopefully re engage disaffected boys,
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  Speaker 3: which can't be a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if they want to do it, why not exactly
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  Speaker 2: give them something to do exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Well, people who are not doing anything of productive value
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  Speaker 3: to society. The counselors on the Northern Beaches, not all
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  Speaker 3: of them are some good ones up there, but there
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  Speaker 3: are a couple who are spending an awful lot of
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  Speaker 3: rate payer money swanning around the country doing various programs
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  Speaker 3: for this and that and whatever. We have no idea,
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  Speaker 3: and they're spending a whole lot of money. So it's
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  Speaker 3: been revealed today the councils on the Northern Beaches have
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  Speaker 3: spent two hundred thousand dollars in expenses. But there is
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  Speaker 3: one culprit who takes the cake for the most amount
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  Speaker 3: of money spent. That is Green's counselor Ethan Hernjack. He's
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  Speaker 3: spent thirty one thousand dollars in under a year. It's
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  Speaker 3: been less than a year since he got elected. Kinds
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  Speaker 3: of things he's spent money on as a ten thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollar course in how to be a company director, six
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars on phone and internet services, and money to
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  Speaker 3: attend a climate conference. Now his excuse is that he's
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  Speaker 3: the poorest person on the council, therefore he's claiming all
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  Speaker 3: of these expenses. But he's also the same counselor that
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  Speaker 3: keeps putting up BBS motions and he Israel motions. He's
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  Speaker 3: talking about basically everything that is unre related to local council. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: he's going out and spending all your rate payer money
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  Speaker 3: on ridiculous junkets. And then while all of that is happening,
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  Speaker 3: Northern Beaches Council tried to put through a thirty nine
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  Speaker 3: percent rate rise.
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  Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the thing is so Ipart eventually said, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was twenty three percent. The rates will increase
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  Speaker 1: over the next few years. The council said, hey, if
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  Speaker 1: we don't do this, we're going to have to close
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  Speaker 1: our ocean pools. Service is going to be cut back.
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  Speaker 1: And it's funny because counsel is in most parts of
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  Speaker 1: the country actually don't get paid that much money. It's
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  Speaker 1: sort of a fee of voluntary feed, not a voluntary feed,
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  Speaker 1: but a small fee to come along. So stories like
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  Speaker 1: this in years gone by, I don't think would have
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  Speaker 1: been that much of a scandal. But when you're forcing
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  Speaker 1: every one of your residents to pay hundreds, if not
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  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars more in their rates, when you're jacking
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  Speaker 1: up the rates for small businesses as well. Then every
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  Speaker 1: little expense that you're going through is actually going to
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  Speaker 1: work up. Now this bloke who's twenty one, he's probably
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  Speaker 1: still got his Dollarmite account from from primary school. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how even have an expends card that big,
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  Speaker 1: but as all of a sudden spent that huge amount
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  Speaker 1: of money, more than the mayor, more than every other
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  Speaker 1: counselor to go to a climate conference, and seems to
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  Speaker 1: think that's okay. The council's also spend a million dollars
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  Speaker 1: on food and grog in the last ten years.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to get down there.
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  Speaker 1: This is all meant to be more than a thousand
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  Speaker 1: staff on this council. We were all led to believe
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  Speaker 1: that amalgamating these councils together was meant to be cheaper
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  Speaker 1: and better for rates. Instead it's been the opposite. They
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  Speaker 1: keep growing and the councilors just can't stop spending.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, one of the professional development courses he
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  Speaker 2: went on was learning how to speed read. So I
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  Speaker 2: mean that that is obviously a great use of rate
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  Speaker 2: payers money. It seems to me, though, that there must
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  Speaker 2: be a problem with the Local Government Act or the
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  Speaker 2: rules or something in New South Wales because in my
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: time as a local government reporter in South Australia and
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  Speaker 2: I looked up some of the language around his day,
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  Speaker 2: and it seems to be different in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Down there, councilors get their pay, but it is an allowance.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a payment per se. It is a tax
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  Speaker 2: free allowance that they are then expected to use to
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  Speaker 2: perform their council duties. And if it becomes an income
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  Speaker 2: after that, well then they do have to pay tax
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  Speaker 2: on it. So you get given the money. That's what
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  Speaker 2: you go and spend on these things that the councilors
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  Speaker 2: have been doing in including counselor Hernjack, and anything on
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  Speaker 2: top of that, like sending someone to a conference has
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  Speaker 2: to be a motion put up at the council and
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  Speaker 2: agreed to by the council. So all the councilors say, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we're sending councilor Hernjack to that conference. It will cost
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  Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars. Everyone's agreed to that. Seemingly, in New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales you can just run around and say well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing this, and I'm doing that, I'm doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just send the.
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  Speaker 2: Bill to the council. They've got to fix that. That
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  Speaker 2: can't be real.
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  Speaker 4: It's basically a blank check.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the other problem we've seen with the
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  Speaker 3: mergers of these councils is they've turned into huge corporations.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, their revenue is upwards of four hundred million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: If that were a.
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  Speaker 3: Business, that would be a giant business. Thousand staff they have.
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  Speaker 3: They have one hundred executives, managers and directors with an
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  Speaker 3: annual wages bill of twenty five million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, these are behemoths. But while they're slugging you
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  Speaker 4: with more rates.
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  Speaker 3: And making you pay for stupid junkets to climate conferences
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  Speaker 3: and speed reading programs, they're waging war on small businesses.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that is what is so infuriating about
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  Speaker 3: these councils. There's a bakery in Manly called Rollers bake House.
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  Speaker 3: Since it was opened in twenty eighteen, they've had outdoor seating.
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  Speaker 3: Then last month the Northern Beaches Council moved to revoke
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  Speaker 3: their license, claiming it was actually a danger to the
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  Speaker 3: patrons to sit on the street because they could get
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  Speaker 3: a hitched by a truck. Yeah, they could get hit
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  Speaker 3: by a truck sitting on the sidewalk on chairs that
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  Speaker 3: have been there since twenty eighteen. There's no evidence that
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  Speaker 3: anyone's ever been hit by a truck or a car
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  Speaker 3: or anything else. Yet these are so dangerous we need
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  Speaker 3: to remove them entirely and cause this small business to
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  Speaker 3: lose massive amounts of customers and revenue and fray.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because you're almost punished as a small business
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  Speaker 1: now for doing well, or to be innovative, or to
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  Speaker 1: be trying something new. And look a lot of small shops.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to be moving stuff out onto the street.
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  Speaker 1: You want to be able to have your our fresco dining. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: you hear from every small business they say they're paying
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: federal government taxes, state government taxes, and then the Council,
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  Speaker 1: instead of making things easier, adds that whole extra layer. Meanwhile,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: the big story that has been emerging over the last
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours is the fallout of Labour's Climate Report.
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  Speaker 1: This two hundred and eighty four page report prepared by
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  Speaker 1: bureaucrats and scientists in Chris Bowen's department. It's now been
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  Speaker 1: revealed cost twenty two point nine million dollars involving three
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty staff and a range of scientists on
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  Speaker 1: the side. This is the report that talks about supply
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: chains being cut off in the years ahead. Water short
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  Speaker 1: catastrophic events are coastal damage one point five million people
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  Speaker 1: in coastal towns that are going to be flooded in
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  Speaker 1: the years ahead twenty two point nine million dollars. And
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  Speaker 1: it turns out today, based on a snap hearing in Canberra,
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  Speaker 1: that the report only looked at some possibilities in the
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: years ahead. This is Matt Canavan questioning some of the
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  Speaker 1: bureaucrats involved. Did you estimate the potential reduction in deaths
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  Speaker 1: from cold?
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, we did not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mind setting more people from cold.
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  Speaker 1: And peak in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: We were specifically looking at climate houses, so it was
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  Speaker 5: out of scope for a report.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: That isn't if the climate warms, mightn't there be fewer
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: cold deaths.
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  Speaker 5: We were looking at physical risk from climate houses specifically,
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  Speaker 5: and that the transition risk, which has included any changes
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  Speaker 5: to do with mitigation, were out of scope.
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  Speaker 1: So what's starting to emerge. And keep in mind labor
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  Speaker 1: is just days away from announcing its emission reduction targets
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  Speaker 1: for twenty thirty five and this report has been loaded.
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  Speaker 1: It's full of fear and just scary language all the
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  Speaker 1: way through design to sort of justify every decision they
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: make from this point in time. But it's had the
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  Speaker 1: desired effect. Amongst some, this is a teals MP Climate
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  Speaker 1: two hundred doctors Sophie scomps on the Northern Beaches of Sydney.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, we have a choice.
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  Speaker 6: This all this one point five million Australian homes are
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  Speaker 6: at risk of postal funding if we don't act strongly
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  Speaker 6: off climate.
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  Speaker 4: Here on the Northern Beaches, we are at the forefront
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  Speaker 4: of that.
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  Speaker 6: This week Australia is making one of the biggest decisions
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  Speaker 6: we will ever make on climate.
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  Speaker 4: I'm backing in a.
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  Speaker 6: Strong twenty thirty five target that we protect the people
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: and the places we love.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: You get the message. You've heard this in the last
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours. We must act now. Even if we
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: don't act, it's too late. Well, you'd bethinking that even
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: members of the Federal Labor Party, every one of them,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: would be doing their bit. Think again, this is Andrew Charlton,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: the Member for Paramatta. Do you have an electric vehicle?
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Do you have batteries.
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: I do not have an electric vehicle, but I know
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: a lot of people are taking up electric vehicles and
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: I think that's a choice for many Australians.
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: Do you have solar panels and batteries yourself?
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: I don't. I don't have solar panels or batteries, but
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: plenty of Australians do, and that's a good thing.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: It's been odd. I mean, in one hand, you've got
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: this emergency, we've got to do everything we can now,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and then even someone from Labor, Andrew Charlton, doesn't even
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: get involved. I'm convinced.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I'm convinced Andrew Charlton, Sophie Scomps, I'm all convinced.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I don't get also, why we had to pay twenty
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: three million dollars for this report when they could have
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: just gone and spoken to Johnny Cash in nineteen fifty
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: nine as.
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: Water Mama behn RaSE Ah has the water popa.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: She said it's five feet high rise.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I mean that's basically what we paid twenty three million
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: dollars to be told. For goodness sake, I mean, it
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous that we would have to pay
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: that much money to be told something that is based
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: on a premise that will just never happen, which is
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that there will be no action on climate change whatsoever.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: That is never going to happen. So all the stuff
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that was written in that report and included in that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: report exists for no other reason than fear. It's not
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: about reality. It's just about fear. But the problem is
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: as you saw, you know, Sophie Scomp's running around there
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: with all her business. That is what that is the
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: desired effect that they wanted. And a doozy I saw
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: today was from two academics at Monash Union, doctor Lucas
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Walsh and doctor Andrew Watkins, and they wrote in a
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: column in the News Court Papers today that the current
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Australian curriculum pays more attention to climate change than his
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: previous iteration, with thirty two references to climate change across
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: diverse subjects, but education at all levels needs to further
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: realign to climate adaptation. Climate adaptation should be part of
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the basic teaching syllabus of every course, as well as
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: separate courses to improve general understanding at all levels. So
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: we've gone from this report, you know everything we're all
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: going to die to we now need climate change in
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: every subject taught at school.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: We've lost the plot.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Sustainability is already one of the overarching curriculum guidelines here
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: in Australia, and all it's doing is giving kids climate
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: anxiety and making people think they shouldn't have children because
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: they're scared that the world is going to become uninhabitable.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: It's not achieving anything. And the other thing is with
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: this report, you can't actually model the world. You cannot
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: model this stuff, even with twenty million dollar and three
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: hundred staff. The world is so complex, there are so
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: many unknown variables it's literally impossible. The report also doesn't
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: account for any of the benefits, like Matt Canavan said,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: or you know, the fact that more land will become
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: arable because we'll have warmer temperatures now does not account
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: for any of that whatsoever. And the other thing is
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I hate to break to you Sofacecumps, but just committing
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: to a target does not mean you're going to achieve
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the target. And I think everyone realizes, whether they will
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: admit it or not, net zero is virtually impossible. And
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: today we received yet more confirmation of that. The Victorian
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: government has delayed the action for the license to an
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: offshore wind farm in Victoria to next year. Signing delays
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: in infrastructure and transmission lines, and this is what we're
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: seeing time and time again, week after week, another renewable
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: project being delayed.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: This is never going to work.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: We're never going to get to net zero, and meanwhile
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: we're going to send ourselves into economic oblivion.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Well, just so interrupt to some bad news obviously we're
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: talking about here some more bad news. Unfortunately, Robert Redford,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the actor, has died at the age of eighty nine.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It's been reported by the New York Times that he
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: was found dead at Tuesday morning at his home in Utah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: That's all the detail we have at the moment. But
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: of course, you know, best known for Butch Cassidy and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: The Sun Dance Kid, and it's a pretty big name
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: to lose.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: James absolutely and a career unlike a lot of people
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that are in Hollywood, that just continued. And he had errors,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and he had great films in every one of those ears.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So our thoughts are with him and one of the greats.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So that is very sad news and a lot of women,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I suspect as well, will be mourning the loss of
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Robert Redford because he's sort of when you think about
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: film like, he was one of the big sex symbols
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of his day and a very popular man.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely very sad.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Anyway, sorry I interrupted you, James so well in regards
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to what Freege has said, and I think this is
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: where the rubber hits the road on this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I think we're doing our fair share. I think governments
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: are putting too much money into this. I think people
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: are convinced that we are the problem and we are
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: causing bushfires and natural disasters, and I don't think the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: people that are in charge, including Chris Bow and Anthony Alberanezi,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: have actually faced tough questions. And this is a sort
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of reflection on the press pack as well sometimes to say, Okay,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: if we do this, if we spend all this money,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: if we reduce our missions, what is the end results? Right? Okay,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: we get cheaper energy, we haven't seen that. But are
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: we going to save the planet on our own? Absolutely not.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: The other thing, just quickly, is that the Coalition, in
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: my view, and sure they're fighting about whether we do
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: net zero or not. Don't forget if you're watching at home,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the Coalition were in power for ten years, they could
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have built more colified power plants. They could have put
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: nuclear on the agenda. When John Howard was Prime Minister
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, he ran reports that talks
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: about East Coast nuclear power plants. It didn't happen. So
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: part of the problem that we're in is because the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: coalition in ten years couldn't figure out whether they're in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: favor of fossil fuels or renewables. Labour's now trying to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: ram everything through and that's why we're in a bit
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of a mess.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Indeed, and stay tuned as well. If we have any
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: more details on the death of Robert Redford, we will
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: bring it to you tonight. And while we're talking about
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Hollywood and stars and all this sort of business. Of course,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: yesterday was the Emmy Awards and you might have seen
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: one of the award winners, Hannah Einbinder, gave her winning
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: speech and carried on about Palestine.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I just want to say, finally, go birdsy and free Palestine.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, fantastic to whatever. There's a mob called
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Kulds News Network. There are a news network run by
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: young people out of Palestine and they put up a
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: tweet celebrating this speech that said, Hannah Einbinder explains that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: her decision to say free Palestine during her Emmy's acceptance
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: speech came from her belief that as a Jewish person,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: she has a responsibility to distinguish Judaism and Jewish culture
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: from the ethno nationalist project of the Israeli state. Okay,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: fair enough, of course KULDS News Network would say that.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: But they put this image with it of Hannah Einbinder
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: with her bare arms sensitive. It just runs.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Itself, doesn't It sums it up perfectly. You have these
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: privileged Western leftists fighting for the Palestinian cause and Arab
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Palestinian nationalism. Meanwhile, Al Kud's network, which has been described
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: as a mouthpiece for Hamas, doesn't even believe women have
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the right to show their shoulders and won't show women's
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: shoulders on their.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Own ex account. They'd rather blur you.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is what you're fighting for, guys, people
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: who will not even let you wear what you want
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to wear. You should really start to reconsider which side
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: you've chosen in this conflict.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I think the other thing as well is that it's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the same with sport, and it's the same with music.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: We played the example last night, but Hollywood's the same.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It's like when people are watching these things, it's a
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: celebration of great theater, great art, great TV, and you
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: want to keep politics as far away from that as possible.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And yet all these actors and actresses and musicians, sports
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: stars sometimes just find the need to say I'm going
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to use this platform, not their platform, not their own
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: social media, not their own little side hustles, but national TV,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: international audiences to make a message like that in the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: claimate will make a difference, and I think most people
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: just find it polarizing one way or another. Whether you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: agree with it or not. It's just not the platform
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to be making politicals.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Where's Ricky Gervais just to tell them, you know, belt up,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: none of the politics, please just take your reward and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: bug her off.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Exactly. It's nauseating.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: But the cancel culture and the virtue signaling doesn't stop
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood. It's even in our superfunds here in Australia.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: They've been the site of a lot of corporate activism,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: whether it's pushing DEI or ESG and now potentially even
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: divesting from Israel Hester, which is the super fund of
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: choice for health workers, has divested from all their major
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Israeli bank stocks that they held or were listed on
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. Now they claim it wasn't
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: due to pressure from activists, but it's just that they
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: assessed the geopolitical risk and it no longer made sense.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: But this is a very suspicious explanation because back in February,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: there was a petition launched on change dot org to
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: divest from Israel, and that got over three thousand signatures.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Then at their members meeting, the chair of the fund
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: was repeatedly asked whether and why they wouldn't divest from Israel,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and now they've magically divested from Israel. But there's an
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: interesting question here because under APRA's guidelines for super funds,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: you actually have to act in the best financial interest
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: of your members. You can't be taking political decisions and
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: just decide to divest from Israeli bank stocks if that
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: is not actually what's in the best interests of your members.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see whether they get investigated.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Was this actually in the best interests of their members
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: or was it a political decision driven by activist shareholders.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Well, so I'll get back to what you said. You know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: they said it wasn't about activism there statement, this is Histor.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We monitor and assess geopolitical events, risks, and their potential
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: impacts on our portfolio to protect members returns. We recently
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: exited holdings in Tel Aviv stock Exchange list banks bonds
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: issued by the Say of Israel due to an assessment
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: of heightened risk. Now, yes, it is true that they
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: have to act under the law in the financial interests
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: of their members. But the thing is that Histor builds
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: itself as a left wing super fund right and I mean,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you know, all these industry super funds are own by union,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: so you kind of get where they're going. But they
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: publicly build themselves as a left wing super fun. They
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: run ads on television with you know, weird looking women
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: with short haircuts and hippies and all these sorts of
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: people saying, if you're looking for a super fun that
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: believes in weird stuff, come and join us, because we'll
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: invest your money in places you wanted to be invested. So,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it just kind of seems like
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: they're doing what they said on the tin they're going.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: To do well. The super industry in general are the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: last people to be taking a moral stance because their
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: behavior over a long period of time has been very ordinary,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I mean my sort of view. And by the way,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the other point of his story is that they have
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: pulled this part of their interests. But then there are
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: many other companies that have affiliations with Israel, including I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: think Samsung that they are staying with. But I'm just
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: sort of the view, and I take your point on board, Freyer,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: but I also think if you're not happy with it,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: pull your money. It goes somewhere else, go somewhere else.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: But I think this is what Australians don't realize. They
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: don't realize the corporate activism that comes from super funds.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: One of the major reasons we have so much of
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: a push for ESG and DEI and ASX companies is
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: because they come up with these ESG risk assessments and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: valuations and require you to put through DEI in order
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: to get investment. And what that does is it pushes
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: corporate Australia to go woke, even though it actually does
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: not improve business outcomes whatsoever. And ultimately we just become
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: less productive and more left wing. And I think people
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: need to check where your super is going, because a
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize if you're putting it in
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: an industry fund, it's probably pushing woke stuff, and it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: also probably funding Labor.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and these activists. And it's happened to media companies.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: It's happened to a lot of big companies. They just
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: get a win and then they go on to the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: next target, and they just keep going until some boss
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: one day says, hey, we've had two hundred emails about this,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: let's move talk about people that are under pressure now.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Kis Starmer was elected as Prime Minister of the UK
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a little over a year ago in July last year.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Labor has more about four hundred seats in the House
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of Commons. They're a mile in front and the Tories,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the Conservative Party, are being slowly picked away by Nigel
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Faraja's movement. And yes, from everything you've read in the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: last twenty four hours forty eight hours, Kirstarmer, the UK
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister, is a dead man walking. He's been all
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: over the front page. There's been scandals, there's been links
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: to senior people, to Jeffrey Epstein, and we just get
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: this feeling that when normally were these political things, after
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: a matter of time, something will happen. Meanwhile, a Kis
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Starmer has defended his comments and sort of doubled down
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: in regards to his angry position towards the UK protests
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: from the other day.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: Take a look look what happened on our streets on Saturday.
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: That wasn't just very bad behavior in central London, although
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: it was that assaulting police officers in the lake. That's
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: plastic patriotism. It's said to shiver through so many of
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: our communities who now feel more scared than they did before.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: I understand that I'm absolutely determined to lead in this
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: fight of our times.
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: So it's a fascinating situation. And look, normally, with these things,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: as we say, once the story start, it's very very
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: hard for someone like Kirstarma to hold on. But also
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: he's been toned deaf on the issue here, which is
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: record a legal migration, which is why people are so angry.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: What planet is this blow cooking on? Like, get with
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the program, Cobber. You're about to lose your job, probably
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: because you know fourteen months in your government has just
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: been a total disaster. You have huge numbers of Britain's
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: marching through London saying something has to give here. You
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: come out and say, oh, you know, we're not going
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: to render the flag to these people, and then you
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: double down again and say it's plastic patriotism. People are
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: scared what they're scared of seeing people wave their national flag.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: If that's what they're scared of, mate, you are running
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the wrong country. Why don't you go somewhere else and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: run another country where you think it's better to fly
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: their national flag. Maybe go over to France if you're
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: so fond of people coming via that joint. I mean,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: he just does not get it, Sir Qui Stamach. Even
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanizi, in his sort of you know, feigned condemnation
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: of the march for Australia rallies we had here, could
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that there were a great number of people there
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: with legitimate concerns. I mean, Sir Ki, you can't even
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's trying to paint these marches as violent
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: and disorderly. There were at least one hundred and ten
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: thousand people there. Marchers claim there were millions there and
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: there were only twenty four arrests. How does that stack
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: up widespread US dangerous? Oh my goodness, twenty four arrests
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: out of hundreds of thousands of people. How many arrests
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: are there at the weekly Palestine protests. How many assaults
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: on police at the Palestine protests? I guarantee you a
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: lot more. In fact, Palestine Action in the UK has
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: been designated as a terrorist organization. On the other hand,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: you just have some patriotic bricks marching with their national flag.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: He is living in lalla Land.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: But for him to go from winning an record majority
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: in the House to now being on the ropes and
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: his own backbench is saying he's not going to make
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: it till Christmas. This has to be one of the
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: most disastrous Prime ministerships in the history of the UK.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if a bloke is running your
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: country and he says it is scary for you to
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: waive your national flag, you've got to get rid of
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: that guy, like these people are enemies with him.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Well, just in general, if you were any sort of
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: a lie, and let's take the fringe radical elements out
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: of this, you'd be looking at something like this and saying, hey, guys,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: what do we make of what we saw at the weekend.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people that are really angry.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: What are the key issues, what's going wrong? And let's
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: acknowledge them and vow to fix it. That sort of
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: language is going to encourage people to protest twice as hard,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: exactly twice as many numbers double the size next week.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So I mean, it's just clueless. The only say face
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: he's got is that there's a major meeting with the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump that's coming up with the royal family.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about you know, the only man who's potentially
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: less popular in the United Kingdom than Sirka That would
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: be hazard Prince Harry. He has done an interview with
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the Guardian and because he's just been over in the
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: UK and he's met with the King, his father, who
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: he's not spoken to for quite some time, and who
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: has been asked by the Guardian about whether, perhaps, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: he's getting a bit unhappy over in the United States
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: with do you perhaps want to come back to the UK?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Is that way trying to renew relations with your father?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And he says no way. He says, I think parts
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: of the British press want to believe that I am miserable,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: but I am not. I am very happy with who
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I am and I like the life.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: That I live.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: It is only in certain elements of the press where
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: you see this talk about me being down or saying
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not smiling. This comes from people who think they
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: know what I am thinking and how I am feeling.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: They are wrong a few simple words. Perhaps he doth
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: protest too much.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I think that's what you call Stockholm syndrome. He's actually
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: enjoying his captivity in Montezito, but he wouldn't be crawling
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: back begging for a meeting with the royals if he
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: was so happy in Montezito.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I know amazing. Quickly we're talking about the UK before
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Charry markson Tomorrow Night has an exclusive interview with Tommy Robinson,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: who is the organizer of that rally in London over
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the weekend. He's a quick preview.
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: His stream media has reported that the crowd size is
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: around one hundred thousand. Others estimate there were a million
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: people or more. How many people do you think were there?
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: And regardless of the exact number, why did so many
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: turn up.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: I'd say that that is the largest demonstration in British
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: history and they don't want to accept it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: They don't want to admit Tomorrow night at eight pm,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: don't miss it. After the break we'll get into the papers.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Prosecutors are mulling the idea of going after the sentence
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: thirty three years that was given to Aaron Patterson, the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: mushroom killer and the banana lobby, and we know there
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: was such a thing, but apparently they're upset at the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: idea of foreign bananas coming into this country. That more. Next,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: a little more detail on the death of Robert Redford,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: the actor who has died at the age of eighty nine.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: As I said before, he died at his home in
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Utah at His publicist has put out a statement now,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Cindy Berger, saying that he died in his sleep and
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: he was surrounded by his loved ones at the time.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: She said quote, he will be missed greatly. The family
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: requests privacy and he's survived by his wife. So if
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: there's any more detail comes light, we will share that
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: with you. Meanwhile, on the front of the Herald Son
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Cracking Yarn by Anthony Dowsley, Well done, dows This will
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: be all over everywhere tomorrow. I can guarantee you exclusive
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: States prosecutors want mushroom cook to serve more time for
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: triple murder erin jail term beef, well done, Boom boom.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Victoria's top prosecutors are unhappy with the thirty three year
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: minimum jail term dished out or how good is this
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: to mushroom killer Aaron Patterson, and are considering an appeal.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: The Office of Public Prosecutions has confirmed it is reviewing
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the sentence handed down to the triple murder of our
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court Justice Christopher Beale last week to also say
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: prosecutors are underwhelmed at its severity. It comes as Patterson,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: who killed her in laws, John and Gail Patterson, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Gaye's sister Heather Wilkinson with poisoned beef. Wellington's prepares an
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: appeal against her convictions. And I'm not surprised, to be
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: perfectly honest, you know, I know thirty three years is
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: obviously a long time, but I think the big issue
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: here is the idea that she could apply for parole
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: after that. Now she would be in her early eighties
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: by that point eighty one or eighty two. But you know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the reason that was given for the possibility of parole
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: is that she might spend a large period of time
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: in solitary confinement because she's so notorious. Well, I mean
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: maybe you shouldn't have killed people with a beef Wellington.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and she lost her rights in that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: space in my view. But I mean, ultimately, the law
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: works in very very funny and complex ways, and some
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: would say that thirty three years is right on the money.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure some lawyers would say that that is fair enough.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: But I think if you've got prosecutors saying that more
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: can be done there than it is worth give an appeal.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Keep it in mind. It was a case that didn't
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: just shop Australia but shocked the whole world.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And in this sentencing, the judge did take
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: into account the fact that she's going to have a
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: hard time in prison because people know who she is,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: so what like, that's the point of going to prison.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It's not supposed to be a nice experience. You know,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: what's an even worse experience dying because you get poisoned
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: by a.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Death cat mushroom.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I think she'll survive in prison in the Australian tomorrow.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, the PM here is.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Just disastrous treaty trip up as great game of foot
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: in Pacific, A hope for defense treaty that would have herald,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: that would herald an answer style alliance with Papua New
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Guinea is up in the air after the country's cabinet
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: failed to endorse it, leaving Anthony Albanesi facing the prospect
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: of a second failed Pacific deal aimed at sidelining China
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: in a week. The Prime Minister was unable to say
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday whether the treaty would be inked the following
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: day as planned, while his PNG counterpart, James Marape told
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: local media on Monday evening that we're not yet at
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the point of signing. The uncertainty followed Vaniwatu's last minute
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: refusal to sign a five hundred million dollar bilateral security
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: agreement last Tuesday, when mister Anthony, when Miss Albinizi was
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: in Port Villa amid suspected Chinese influence over senior government figures.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is just getting more and more embarrassing
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: to think that in our own backyard in the Pacific
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Pacific island nations can't even decide whether they want to
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: sign a deal with US.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: That is abysmal.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the elephant in the room here is
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: that who has China got to first look? In opposition,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Albo was highly critical of the way the Coalition handled
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the Pacific and people like Maurice Payne and others. But
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the reality is when you turn up to these countries
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and there's been stories about this from the Solomon Islands
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and other parts of the Pacific where he have been
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: bought off. China has given them hundreds of millions of
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: dollars for infrastructure. They owe China money and there's been
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: this slow takeover. So Australia, you know, sort of has
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: turned up with our own bags of cash and they've
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: been reluctant to sign because they want the best of
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: both world or they're in favor of China.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And the choice really is China or the US. China's
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: coming directly to them. We're not coming with the US.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, our relationship with the US is already at
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: its worst state in decades. So what can we really
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: offer when you've got a global superpower like China giving
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: them infinite money? A wing of the new parliaments. I
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: don't think that's going to do it, and.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it is an indication of how seriously P
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and G is taking this that the meeting where they
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: were meant to ratify this deal a number of ministers
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: didn't show up to so they have a call.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, if that's how seriously they're taking it, then
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: we are in trouble.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Might we've given all that money to P and G
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: for a new rugby league team in a couple of
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: years as well. Well, here's a fight that we don't need,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and it's with our banana industry. According to the Can's
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Post front page tomorrow, Australia is one point three billion
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: dollar banana industry could be irreversibly damaged if foreign fruit
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: is allowed into the country that the banana lobby has worn.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I wasn't aware that we had a banana lobby, but
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: they are center now. Ninety four percent of this banana
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: industry in Australia is centered in Far North Queensland and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: there is talk here of allowing the import of bananas
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: from the Philippines. Now, I'm sorry, but I would say
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: proudly and without hesitation that we do not need in
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: this country to be importing fruit at any stage and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the moment we do this biosecurity risk. But also let's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: be standing up for the Australian farmers first.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I'm all for free markets, but I also think our
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: oussie farmers have had it tough enough already. Let's not
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: start adding in extra competition when I think they're doing
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: an amazing job. Our fruit's relatively affordable and we get
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: to support ossie industry.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Who wants a Filipino bananas?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They're really shorter they and bananas are pretty I don't
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: get it round maybe from anywhere.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's a market in the Filipino diaspora for Filipino
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: bana I don't know. They just get the front of
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the Cans post back up again because obviously we talked
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: about the bananas, but there's another food story on the
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: front of the cans post. They're about pies because some
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: bloke up in cans has won nine awards at the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Great as Pie Competition. I love a part.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: They look good. What's your auder job? Well, what I'd
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: say about these that look good is that they haven't
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: fallen apart in his hands. Yes, and they don't look
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: too big. It's a good sort of hand sized pie.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: There's a couple that look like they've got a bit
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of cheese on top.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: It says he's won for a cheeseburger part. Yeah, I
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: am a sucker for a part totally.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: And flaky pastry on that one as well. That's the key.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: You got to get that crunch.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: That's anyway. I could spend all night talking about my
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: love of pars.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: But he's what. You can send them down as well.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: My little bakehouse in can send about. We'll do a
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: taste test for here on the program. Let's move on
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: to the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, James Willis's newspaper. There he's
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: employed during the day before he comes to talks to
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: our spargets. Is a big pain in the glass. The
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: owners of popular Cudjie cafe Locks in a Box been
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: entangled in a length He's argue with the local council,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: which culminated in a huge financial loss. That crime was
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: having windows which opened outwards instead of inwards. This new
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: figures show news Hathwell's businesses are drowning under bureaucratic regulations
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and red tape is getting worse. I mean, bugger me,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the windows open the wrong way.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Well, we kind of spoke about this at the start
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: of the show. This is the biggest problem with local governments,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and it's a product of big local governments, which therefore
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you have to create jobs for people, and there's no
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: jobs if you don't have a problem to fix. And
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: so what we have now is people going around with
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: measuring tapes and saying you can't do this. You can't
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: have you know, someone street parking there. You've got to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: be really careful. But this is ridiculous. And the fact
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that it's you know, these small businesses have got enough
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: to worry about, are instead focusing on that is a joke.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: It's the tyrannical nanny state that we live in. How terrible.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Well, in the Gold Coast, another council sorry miscarriage is
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: woman cops fine. A Gold Coast woman has received a
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: one hundred and eleven dollar parking fine during a medical
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: consultation to find out if her unborn child was still alive.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, was fined after
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: she inadvertently forgot to hit confirm on the parking app.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Her request for it to be reviewed was initially denied,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: but after being contacted by the Bulletin, the council agreed
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: to waive the fee. I mean, how stingy and horrible
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: do you have to be as a counsel to find
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: a woman who forgot to hit confirm, didn't want to
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: dodge the fine and was going through something like that.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Just horrible, unbelievable and just lastly, a headline that you
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: don't see every day. This is the towns of bulletin.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Victim says alleged attacker quote unquote, good dude. The alleged
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: victim in an attempted murder trial has referred to the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: man accused of stabbing him and hutting his throat as
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: a good dude. The man who suffered injuries to his
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: back and throat after an alleged attempted murder has referred
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to the accused as a good dude during cross examination
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: of his evidence. Not guilty for trying to kill Peter Harginson,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the alleged victim was questioned by defense on day two.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But a story and a comment and a character reference
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you do not hear on those circumstances.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: In those circumstances, probably the best character reference you could
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: absolutely forget you've allegedly stabbed, says you're a good dude.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: That'll do it for me after the break. You know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: do you want to live forever? What about your dog?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Apparently scientists are now working on anti aging drugs for
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: dogs that more soon.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Radio.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: If you want to live forever, you may well want
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to take your dog with you. And apparently science is
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: trying to find.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Arts exactly right.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Well, apparently we already spent on average two thousand, six
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars a year on our dogs, and now we
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: could extend that for many more years to come. There
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: are all sorts of longevity projects being investigated. There's a
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: fifty thousand pets studying looking at anti aging, anti aging
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: drugs and biotech firms and the hope is if we
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: can get our dogs to live longer, maybe we can
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: live longer as well, and that would be so fun.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Well, where are we getting to with the cryogenetic chambers
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: for humans? What's the status of those? I know there's
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: been trials and people have been offered to go in them,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but we're like, are we going to get there? As
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: a human race? Do you think we will raise yourself
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: for a thousand years, But who wants to live that long?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Will there'd be nothing left based on the climate report exactly.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Well the other thing, you'll pay all your money to
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: get frozen and then you'll just get swipped away in
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: a flood one day.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: They will have all come to nothing.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: But like I just think of the poor dogs, like
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: if we're going to make them live, you know, one
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: hundred years or something as well.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: No, but it depends the quality of life.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: So aging is now being thought of as a disease,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: and if you can treat the disease of aging, then
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: you can actually extend the quality of life as well.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: That you will so you never know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: That was early intervention.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Ye well yeah, they used to used to say, you know,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the two things certainly in life were death and taxes.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: If we're going to remove the death, one would just
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: be paying a lot more taxes, and I think the
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: government would like it that way.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: While we're talking.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: About death, we mask must mark the death of one
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of the blokes who was involved in the Fine Cotton saga,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: John Gillespie, who's carct this week. He died on Monday.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Had sixteen children he left behind apparently as well. But
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I mean you know, one of the greatest racing stories
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: of all time, probably the biggest racing story in Australian history,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: because of course that they had this horse that was
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: meant to be the ring in for fine cotton and
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: that horse was injured, so they got another horse, tried
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: to diet with box die from the supermarket, and they
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: woke up the morning and the horse was orange and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: they had to hose it down in the front yard.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, just amazing that they ever thought they get away.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And a lot of prominent racing figures evolved in that
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: scandal as.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Well, so many people who got cleaned up by it
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: went right to the top that one. That's all We've
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: got time for it, and I thank you for joining us.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Up next to Redependent show hosted by Caroline Market School