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Credlin | 10 December · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Credline. More bad news for Labour's green obsession.
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Speaker 2: The energy market operator predicting will need coal till twenty
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Speaker 2: forty nine.
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Speaker 3: So much for zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 2: The mining sector cries foul o recort ruling to suppress
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Speaker 2: key details related to Labour's controversial decision to block the
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Speaker 2: one billion dollar Blaney gold mine. So much for talk
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Speaker 2: there of the Prime Minister's transparency class. More MPs engulfed
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Speaker 2: tonight and the expenses scandal as millions are being spent
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Speaker 2: flying wives, husbands and kids all around the country business
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Speaker 2: class that's been revealed today. The whole things are wrought.
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Speaker 2: It needs to be scrapped completely. And yet, even though
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Speaker 2: she's been humiliated for a big spending lifestyle today in
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Speaker 2: the Minister for Freebies, finally in front of the media,
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Speaker 2: refuse to back down.
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Speaker 4: Did I prefer all of my travel to Ipia I
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Speaker 4: take taxpayer money?
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 3: Seriously, no you do not.
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Speaker 2: Anika Wells will come back to you in a moment. First,
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government might insist that its net zero transition
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Speaker 2: is going well, but reality is starting to creep in,
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Speaker 2: even from some of the government's own agencies. Right now,
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Speaker 2: some sixty percent of the East Coast electricity comes from coal,
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Speaker 2: and it's this coal fired power available twenty four to seven,
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Speaker 2: and that, until the emissions obsession took over, gave Australia
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Speaker 2: some of the lowest power prices in the world. Fossil
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Speaker 2: fuels like coal stand and start contrast with renewables. Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen might like to claim that wind and solar are
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Speaker 2: achieve but they're not once you factor in getting them
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Speaker 2: from where they are generated to where they'll be used.
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Speaker 2: And they're not reliable either, because when the wind doesn't
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Speaker 2: when the sun doesn't shine, we need something to replace it.
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Speaker 2: That's what firming is and that's where gas is king.
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Speaker 2: Hence the reality that if we're going to remain a
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Speaker 2: first world economy, Bowen's plan to carpet bomb the landscape
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Speaker 2: with wind and solar plants at the same time as
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Speaker 2: he shuts down the coal and gas industries, it's a fantasy.
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Speaker 3: Bowen says.
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Speaker 2: Australia remains on track to move in just five years
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Speaker 2: from sixty percent of our power coming from coal to
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Speaker 2: under ten percent coming from coal, as I said, in
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Speaker 2: just five years.
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Speaker 6: This is very ambitious, it's doable, it's achievable, as I
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Speaker 6: always said it would have to. That will govern our
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Speaker 6: approach from twenty thirty to twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, once we get to eighty two percent, and you will.
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Speaker 6: In twenty thirty, which you know I am working towards achieving
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Speaker 6: and have some confidence we will achieve.
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Speaker 2: Well, not so if you listen to the official experts,
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Speaker 2: because today the Australian Energy can operate a beld a
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Speaker 2: cat far from coal totally exiting the system by the
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Speaker 2: middle of next decade, as Bowen says it will, Old
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Speaker 2: King coal will be needed to power this country until
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Speaker 2: twenty forty nine.
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Speaker 3: So explain this to me.
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Speaker 2: How can we have coal as a key part of
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Speaker 2: our electricity grid right up to twenty forty nine and
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Speaker 2: then just twelve months later achieve net zero emissions. Remember
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Speaker 2: it's net zero by twenty fifty that's Labour's big promise.
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Speaker 2: Clearly we've now got to get We've now got the
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Speaker 2: official energy bodies unable to maintain the Albanesi government's fiction.
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Speaker 2: We've got the peak Energy Body AEMO, making it patently
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Speaker 2: obvious that coal is here for a long time to come,
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Speaker 2: and in a just released one hundred and fifteen page document,
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Speaker 2: i EMO is also warning that wind power's be coming
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Speaker 2: to expect with everything else required to make it work,
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Speaker 2: especially all the new transmission lines that are disfiguring rural
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Speaker 2: landscapes and facing increasingly for his opposition from farmers and
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Speaker 2: local communities. What's more, IEMO predicts that business electricity use
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Speaker 2: in Australia is set to double, driven predominantly by the
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Speaker 2: explosion in artificial intelligence. This is why so many countries
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Speaker 2: overseas of US in particular, while they are moving rapidly
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Speaker 2: to install more and more nuclear generators so that they
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Speaker 2: don't get left behind in the global AI race. Today,
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Speaker 2: the coal industry welcomed aemo's concession coal would be needed
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Speaker 2: for the system for at least twelve years, longer than
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Speaker 2: previously claimed. An industry spokesman said aemo's revelation quote is
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Speaker 2: the snap back to reality Australia has urgently needed to hear.
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Speaker 2: He pointed out that worldwide demand for coal was at
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Speaker 2: record levels in order to deliver long term energy security
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Speaker 2: and secure jobs and lower power bills for households and businesses.
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Speaker 7: There is a political narrative that bit by bit is
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Speaker 7: butting up against reality and this draft report by IEMO
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Speaker 7: today only confirms how far apart some of the ideology
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Speaker 7: and the reality is. But bit by bit we're seeing
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Speaker 7: reports like this narrowing that gap. Now, Cole continues to
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Speaker 7: do the heavy lifting in the national electricity market the
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Speaker 7: NEM as we sit here today, and certainly based on
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Speaker 7: what i EMO is telling us, we know that the
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Speaker 7: demand for electricity is going to increase potentially fourfold.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's not just Cole that's had a massive reathing
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Speaker 2: today but gas as well. And it's Victorian labor that's
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Speaker 2: waking up with news picking out this afternoon that just
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Speaker 2: Center Allen has released a number of petroleum exploration permits
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Speaker 2: in the Otway and gibbs Land basins. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: the first such acreage release since twenty eighteen. Not that
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Speaker 2: the premiere's front of the media to make this announcement,
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Speaker 2: mind you. Instead it's only been picked up because of
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Speaker 2: this press release by the Australian Energy Producers Association.
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Speaker 3: Now, just as.
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Speaker 2: Victorian Labour's been mugged by reality By the fact that
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Speaker 2: the state will run out of gas by twenty twenty seven,
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Speaker 2: there's no doubt that the Albanezer government will be forced
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Speaker 2: to rethink its anti coal and anti gas stand. For
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Speaker 2: one thing, the government's determination to stop all new coal
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Speaker 2: and gas developments means that we won't be able to
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Speaker 2: sustain our fossil fuel exports, currently worth some one hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty billion dollars a year. So what replaces that
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Speaker 2: income if Chris Bowen does manage to kill off coal?
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Speaker 2: What pays for our health system? Now, defence force, our roads?
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Speaker 2: These are the questions that labor won't answer, but they must,
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Speaker 2: and it's why, as I've said before, this climate change
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Speaker 2: emperor's got no clothes. I mean you can see it.
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Speaker 2: I can see it. Let's hope the rest of the
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Speaker 2: country wakes up before it's too late. Look, today, all
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister wanted to talk about was his government's
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Speaker 2: social media ban for under sixteen's, but his press conference
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Speaker 2: was understandably hijacked by public anger over the abuse of
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funded travel by his social media minister, Anika Wells.
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Speaker 4: I really do do my best, and like I said,
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Speaker 4: I'm confident that I have upheld the guidelines at all
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Speaker 4: times with all of my travel. I have a lot
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Speaker 4: of really important work to do. I love doing it,
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Speaker 4: I'm grateful to be doing it, and I will continue
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Speaker 4: to do that work.
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Speaker 3: Are sure you're hear there.
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Speaker 2: Minister Anika Wells kept saying that flying her spouse to
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Speaker 2: sporting events and shouting the kids on a ski holiday
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Speaker 2: paid for by you, the taxpayer, might be within the rules,
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Speaker 2: but just because something's legal doesn't mean it should be done.
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Speaker 3: And Wells is not.
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Speaker 2: The only minister or only MP with a snout deeply
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Speaker 2: in the trough the trade. Minister Don Farrell Well, he's
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Speaker 2: blown one hundred and sixteen thousand dollars of family to
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Speaker 2: reunion travel in just three years, even though the blow
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Speaker 2: kids seventy one years of age, His children are all
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Speaker 2: middle aged adults. He's got grandchildren for goodness sakes. And
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Speaker 2: the fact is he's got a ministerial salary of around
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Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars a year now. Honestly, if he
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Speaker 2: wants to shout his adult kids a flight to the
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Speaker 2: AFL and he should pay for it himself rather than
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Speaker 2: expect you to fund it. Now, you know I've worked
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Speaker 2: in politics for a long time. Accept there is a
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Speaker 2: case to fly a spouse or a dependent child to
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Speaker 2: Canberra and maybe once or twice a year for this perk.
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Speaker 2: This wrought of flying the family all over the country
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Speaker 2: is just wrong. This was brought in by Malcolm Turbul.
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Speaker 2: It needs to be scrapped.
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Speaker 3: As far as.
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Speaker 2: I'm concerned, it is wrought and I'm surprised it's taken
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Speaker 2: this long to blow up because have a look at
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Speaker 2: some of his spending. Fateerber payment one hundred and eighteen
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars in family reunion flights, Labor Front Benchi, Patrick
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Speaker 2: Gorman one hundred and twelve thousand dollars. Coalition MP Andrew Wilcox,
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Speaker 2: he's charged you a whopping one hundred and twenty three
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars in flights for wife and kids. Today the
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Speaker 2: Opposition blasted Wells for letting the travel roots affair take
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Speaker 2: her eye off the ball during this social media ban.
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Speaker 1: In some of those social media platforms that I won't
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Speaker 1: name here that have been rising on the app stores
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Speaker 1: download list today, people have been warning about them for weeks,
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Speaker 1: nothing stopping the minister from doing it today or yesterday
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Speaker 1: or last week, except I think, frankly, the distraction of
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Speaker 1: her expenses scandal, which really has meant she hasn't had
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Speaker 1: her eye on the ball.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, good points, James Patterson. But why aren't the
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Speaker 2: opposition to Vannie that the rules are change.
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Speaker 3: It's scrapped, scrapped. They should commit to do that should
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Speaker 3: they win the next election. I'll say it.
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Speaker 2: Again, this family reunion perk outside of camber travel, not
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Speaker 2: to camera, but all the other stuff you're seeing, all
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Speaker 2: these business class fares. This is a raught, it's a rought,
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Speaker 2: and it's got to be scrapped or the opposition has
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Speaker 2: no credibility. Now, for the record, on the social media ban,
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Speaker 2: I support it in principle because I do accept there
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Speaker 2: is a direct correlation between the explosion and mental health
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Speaker 2: amongst our children and the why it spread. You of smartphones.
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Speaker 2: But in the end, parents are a far better regulator
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Speaker 2: of their child's behavior than any government can hope to be.
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Speaker 2: And in the end, it's parents that give their kids
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Speaker 2: these phones, it's parents that pay these bills every month,
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Speaker 2: and government legislation or not, there's nothing to stop parents
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Speaker 2: now putting an end to the use of these smartphones
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Speaker 2: or anything else. That might hurt their kids if they
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Speaker 2: really want to do it. And while there's a host
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Speaker 2: of MPs out today celebrating this world first policy, tell
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Speaker 2: you what I am struck by a massive contradition. We
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Speaker 2: have now legislated in this country to stop kids using
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Speaker 2: social media before they're sixteen, because we say it hurts
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Speaker 2: their mental health, because we say they're not adult enough
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Speaker 2: to use it wisely. At the same time, though, we
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Speaker 2: allow a four year old to tell us they are
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Speaker 2: trapped in the wrong body. At the same time, we
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Speaker 2: allow miners to take life altering drugs to change their gender.
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Speaker 2: At the same time we allow a boy to change
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Speaker 2: his birth certificate to become a girl. Too young for Instagram,
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Speaker 2: we're told, but old enough to mutilate their bodies.
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Speaker 3: Go figure.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Camra now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 6: Australia's world leading social media ben is now in effect.
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Speaker 6: Hundreds of thousands of accounts have been deactivated. The change
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Speaker 6: for under sixteen's was launched an event on the lawns
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Speaker 6: of Kirribilly House in Sydney. Some accounts are slipping through
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Speaker 6: the net.
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Speaker 3: I think this is going to be revolutionary.
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Speaker 2: There will be a time of transition, but normative change
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Speaker 2: does take time.
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Speaker 6: Teenagers are downloading apps outside the band to stay connected online.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister is by his Communications Minister after she
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Speaker 6: referred herself to the expense's watchdog. Anika Wells maintains she's
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Speaker 6: done nothing wrong and is refusing to stand aside pending
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Speaker 6: the investigation.
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Speaker 8: Should she have referred her expenses earlier? Should you have
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Speaker 8: perhaps stood her down?
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Speaker 6: Not at all. It's be clear here.
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Speaker 5: One of the things we're celebrating today is the fact
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Speaker 5: that the world is watching as a direct result of
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Speaker 5: the meeting that we held.
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Speaker 6: Liberal Front benure James Patterson is branding the PM's response
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Speaker 6: to criticism as arrogant and contemptuous. Australia's transition to renewables
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Speaker 6: by twenty fifty is estimated to cost one hundred and
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Speaker 6: twenty eight billion dollars. It's three billion dollars higher than
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Speaker 6: what was advised eighteen months ago. The Energy Market Operator's
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Speaker 6: draft plan forecast's higher capital costs more large scale renewable
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Speaker 6: developments are required too. The Energy Minister is defending the
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Speaker 6: cost as being necessary in supporting Australia's contribution to limit
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Speaker 6: global warming. Colepower is also likely needed until twenty forty nine,
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Speaker 6: a twelve year extension on last year's projection.
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Speaker 2: All right, so I need to get across joining me now,
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Speaker 2: National Affairs editor of the Daddy Telegraphs guy and his
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Speaker 2: host James Morrow, and our senior reporter out of Sydney,
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Speaker 2: Carolyn Marcus. Let's go back and run over this expensive
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Speaker 2: scandal again because it has significantly widened today. We're talking
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Speaker 2: about millions and millions being spent. But despite that, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was still defending his minister and all of
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Speaker 2: this spending.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: No sports minister goes to the sporting event.
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Speaker 6: Guess what?
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Speaker 9: But is it normal for to leave a comcar waiting
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Speaker 9: for ten hours?
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Speaker 3: Who knows what happened there? Oh, Carol.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to all the other MP's at a moment,
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Speaker 2: But that arrogant response for the prime ministers down to
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Speaker 2: me this morning. No one's got an issue with the
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Speaker 2: sports minister going to sporting The issue is her husband
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Speaker 2: and her kids and the business class flights in the
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Speaker 2: largest and for him to then act ignorant as to
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Speaker 2: the conca I think that's just insulting.
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Speaker 8: It is, but it is also a tactic that the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister uses when he wants to deflect, he plays darmore.
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Speaker 8: He sets up a straw man argument like this, as
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Speaker 8: if anyone has attacked Anaka Wells for going to sporting
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Speaker 8: events when she is the Sports Minister, that hasn't been
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Speaker 8: people's issue. The issue is that she's got her taxpayer
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Speaker 8: funded driver waiting outside the NRL and nrl W Finals
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Speaker 8: Grand Finals for the whole day at a cost of
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Speaker 8: more than one thousand dollars a pop. To us, the
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Speaker 8: issue is that she is going on these lavish one
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Speaker 8: hundred thousand dollars flights along with two other staff members
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Speaker 8: to New York and paying hundreds of dollars for dinners
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Speaker 8: with Australian Public Service in Paris, and then one hundreds
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Speaker 8: of dollars more for drinks hours later. The issue is
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Speaker 8: her bringing her kids along on these ski trips in
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Speaker 8: Threadbow and scheduling other work events around a friend's birthday interstate.
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Speaker 8: All of these clearly do not pass the pub test
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Speaker 8: for Australians, or should I say, the appro ski test
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Speaker 8: That might be more to the point. In Anika Wells's case.
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Speaker 8: But every time they're questioned the Minister and the Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister about whether the rules then are the problem here.
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Speaker 8: As I did today, I asked both of them at
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Speaker 8: this event to launch the social media ban, whether if
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Speaker 8: Australians are having such a gut reaction to what she
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Speaker 8: says is within the guidelines, then do we need to
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Speaker 8: look at these reviews? Will a prime minister demand that
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Speaker 8: these be reviewed? They say, oh no, these were made
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Speaker 8: at arm's length, nothing to do with us independent expense authority.
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Speaker 3: So let's just leave it.
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Speaker 8: The factor is, as you point out, Peter, all of
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Speaker 8: them do it to an extent, and no one is
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Speaker 8: very keen to have all of their expenses scrutinized either.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: I'll offer to review the guidelines for free, because I've
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Speaker 2: got plenty of experience with a way that all the
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Speaker 2: politicians love.
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Speaker 3: To get around the rules. Put me and a former.
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Speaker 2: Labor chief of staff in charge of your review and
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. We will make some changes if
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Speaker 2: you've got the guts to get us to do that.
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Speaker 2: Because I tell you what got under my skin today, James,
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Speaker 2: this inference it somehow people are being tough on Anika
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Speaker 2: Wells because she's a working mum, because she's got young children,
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Speaker 2: that were somehow unreasonable not to give her all of
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Speaker 2: this hundreds of thousands of dollars of family travel. I've
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Speaker 2: made the point. You know, the army officers and the
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Speaker 2: frontline soldiers don't get this sort of treatment. The ambo
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Speaker 2: does that, the nurse does, and all the other people
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Speaker 2: who are paid for by the taxpayer, they don't get
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Speaker 2: treated like this. No, but what about Don Farrell, the
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Speaker 2: bloke seventy one, like his kids are mature age adults.
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Speaker 2: How the heck did they justify flying them around to
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Speaker 2: go to footy matches?
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Speaker 3: Is somehow family regun.
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Speaker 10: It reminds me of a story that I used to
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Speaker 10: hear from my father when he was a Time magazine
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Speaker 10: about a drama critic who was there for decades and
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Speaker 10: put in for a babysitter to watch the kids when
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Speaker 10: he went to the theater for long since they went
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Speaker 10: to university. It's the oldest wart in the book. This
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Speaker 10: sort of thing really gets under people's skin, though, Peter,
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Speaker 10: because I was doing a little checking before we came
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Speaker 10: on here. Do you know what it takes to be
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Speaker 10: a top one percent income earner in this country three
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Speaker 10: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars a year. That is
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Speaker 10: less than what a minister makes. So we are talking
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Speaker 10: about people here who are in the top one percent
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Speaker 10: of income earners here. And you know Anika Wells's husband,
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Speaker 10: he does government relations for a bank. He wouldn't be
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Speaker 10: shy of a penny either, And yet we're supposed to
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Speaker 10: put our hands in our pockets so that they can
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Speaker 10: all have a weekend together at Threadbow. I mean, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 10: This is just the sort of thing that it makes
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Speaker 10: politics feel like the entitlement system is not something that
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Speaker 10: helps politicians do their job. But I accept there's great
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Speaker 10: arguments by the way to pay politicians really well, like
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Speaker 10: they do in countries like Singapore, to get the best
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Speaker 10: of the best. I don't think that's happening here. But
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Speaker 10: people look at this and they rightly think people are
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Speaker 10: treating the entitlements like in some sort of game show. Hey,
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Speaker 10: you've just won three business class tickets anywhere in the country.
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Speaker 10: It's just nonsensical. And I just think that, yes, Peter, Yes.
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Speaker 2: Because not only do they have four hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: salaries for senior ministers. But there's obviously the add ons
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Speaker 2: with his superinnuation. And then they've got extra money for
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Speaker 2: electoral allowances, they've got extra money for their flights, they've
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Speaker 2: got extra money for the cast.
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Speaker 3: They break it all down.
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Speaker 2: The taxpayer never sees it in aggregate form, so so
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Speaker 2: anaka Well's in aggregate form. If you're close to seven
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand, absolutely Don Farrell would be close to seven
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Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand dollars, so in aggregate firm aggregate form.
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Speaker 2: They want to hide the overall total amount from taxpayers. Again,
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Speaker 2: that has got to change. I think if they are serious,
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Speaker 2: they'd read the room here. Australians are doing it tough. Well,
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Speaker 2: look you get rate rises in the new year. They
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Speaker 2: don't support this. They think it's wrong.
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Speaker 10: Well, exactly, it's wrong. And you know this idea that, oh,
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Speaker 10: you've taken on a job voluntarily that involves a lot
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Speaker 10: of travel and separation from your family. Lots of people
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Speaker 10: have that kind of job. Their bosses don't pay for
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Speaker 10: these sorts of things. You know, you bought the ticket,
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Speaker 10: take the ride. Don't make me buy tickets for your
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Speaker 10: family too.
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Speaker 3: Suck it up. Hey, now the social media band today, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: I know you're a mum. I know you've got young kids.
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Speaker 2: I don't suspect yours are on the phones yet, but
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Speaker 2: they're all starting younger and younger. I do think, you know,
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Speaker 2: it is passing strange that we don't trust kids to
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Speaker 2: be on Instagram, but that same thirteen or twelve year
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Speaker 2: old could come to school and the teachers could transition
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Speaker 2: them without their parents knowing that they could be put
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Speaker 2: on really serious fertility affecting drugs to change their gender,
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Speaker 2: that we call them by different pronouns. We trust a
21:29
Speaker 2: child to tell us they're born in the wrong body,
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Speaker 2: even when they're in primary school, but we don't trust
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Speaker 2: them on social media.
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Speaker 8: If there is such a strange double standard there when
21:41
Speaker 8: it comes to that. And for the record, I mean
21:44
Speaker 8: I'm like you, Peter and Principal, I do support this band.
21:47
Speaker 8: It really scares me the social media risks that are
21:51
Speaker 8: out there for kids. Mine a little, but I was
21:54
Speaker 8: thinking from the time I was pregnant. I was concerned
21:57
Speaker 8: about that issue in particular because we know now from
22:00
Speaker 8: scientific research what the harms are of social media use
22:06
Speaker 8: and internet use, and they are as dangerous as some
22:09
Speaker 8: illegal substances as well. So I actually do support the
22:12
Speaker 8: government taking a stance in this and making it easier
22:15
Speaker 8: as well for parents to take responsibility, because if you
22:18
Speaker 8: can say, well, you know the rest of your class
22:21
Speaker 8: isn't on a smartphone or using social media, then it
22:25
Speaker 8: does become easier for other parents to But sure, I
22:27
Speaker 8: get it, parents also needs to take responsibility. But now
22:31
Speaker 8: we know scientifically what the harms are and what the
22:35
Speaker 8: flaws are to do with everything we've been told about
22:38
Speaker 8: gender affirming care thanks to things like the Landmark Cast review,
22:41
Speaker 8: and yet the federal government still isn't meeting demands and
22:45
Speaker 8: calls for a pause on puberty blockers, and despite that
22:50
Speaker 8: being done in places like Queensland and New Zealand, it's
22:53
Speaker 8: turned a blind eye to that it allows kids to
22:56
Speaker 8: make these sorts of decisions even without family and in
23:01
Speaker 8: many cases, and also what we know too from the
23:04
Speaker 8: stories of people who have de transitioned and the harms
23:08
Speaker 8: that it did for them, and it wasn't the silver
23:10
Speaker 8: bullet to that mental health issues. So I think, yeah,
23:15
Speaker 8: there's a clear bit of hypocrisy here.
23:19
Speaker 2: Not wrong, and they won't even have an inquiry into
23:22
Speaker 2: the harms in Australia.
23:23
Speaker 3: Well over there.
23:23
Speaker 2: Thank you both for turning now into the draft energy
23:26
Speaker 2: Roadmap from the Australian Energy Market Operator. This is AEMO,
23:31
Speaker 2: a real reality check for LABEL, with confirmation today that
23:34
Speaker 2: Cole will be needed in our system until twenty forty nine.
23:39
Speaker 2: Joining me now the Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd. Well
23:43
Speaker 2: square this circle before me, mate, So we need coal.
23:46
Speaker 2: The official view is now we need Cole, say the experts,
23:50
Speaker 2: until twenty forty nine. Ne't zero by twenty fifty. That's
23:55
Speaker 2: got to be as dead as a dodo, doesn't it.
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Speaker 11: Well, let's rather that's a sprint to the finish line,
24:01
Speaker 11: isn't it. I think the truth of it is net
24:04
Speaker 11: zero by twenty fifty is a great political slogan, but
24:07
Speaker 11: it's a pretty rubbish policy and it's obviously not achievable.
24:11
Speaker 11: That's what governments are finding out all around the world.
24:15
Speaker 11: AMOS has build the cat and it's said that Cole
24:20
Speaker 11: is going to stay into the system for longer and
24:23
Speaker 11: that will entail emissions. Of course, getting to net zero
24:28
Speaker 11: requires way way more than the power sector as well,
24:31
Speaker 11: so it's well and truly off track.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't even take into consideration obviously population growth
24:39
Speaker 2: in that time, this insatiable demand that we're seeing from
24:43
Speaker 2: AI that's yet to really hit. I mean, that is
24:46
Speaker 2: going to be gargantu and it's why they're bringing back
24:48
Speaker 2: so many old mothball nuclear powerstations, particularly in the US.
24:53
Speaker 2: What about the other report that the one hundred and
24:55
Speaker 2: fifty page document where it just mentions zero only once.
24:58
Speaker 2: It just says it's the policy. It doesn't advocate for,
25:03
Speaker 2: it doesn't defend. It makes it clear that there's only
25:05
Speaker 2: this twelvemonth window to achieve the unachievable. I mean, is
25:10
Speaker 2: this the regulator in effect just waving the white flag.
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Speaker 11: Well, the regulator really has its hands tied behind its back,
25:20
Speaker 11: because it's clear from reading the report that everything is
25:25
Speaker 11: predicated on meeting the government's objectives and not considering anything else.
25:31
Speaker 11: So it's really not a least cost option. It's a
25:36
Speaker 11: least cost pathway to something that, look by its own admission,
25:42
Speaker 11: looks now impossible to achieve.
25:46
Speaker 2: What about the big news that slipped out this afternoon
25:49
Speaker 2: that Victoria is about to open up new gas exploration permits.
25:54
Speaker 2: We're talking here, particularly about the Otway and the gipps
25:57
Speaker 2: Land basins. This is the first release of these mapped
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Speaker 2: areas since twenty eighteen. You and I have long talked
26:05
Speaker 2: about the fact that there's plenty of gas in Victoria.
26:07
Speaker 2: We talk about a supply challenge. There's certainly no gas issues,
26:13
Speaker 2: there's just issues getting it out of the ground and
26:15
Speaker 2: into use. But it's interesting, you know, you didn't see
26:19
Speaker 2: the premiere out there announcing this. This has just dribbled
26:22
Speaker 2: out and it's been industry who's drawn it to our attention.
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Speaker 11: That's right. This is another light bulb moment has gone
26:31
Speaker 11: off in Victoria that all their plans are impossible without
26:36
Speaker 11: more gas. Bash strait has been running out of reserves.
26:41
Speaker 11: The Victorian government has been studiously ignoring it for the
26:45
Speaker 11: past five years, and suddenly it's decided it has to
26:48
Speaker 11: open up some acreage and get some production. But isn't
26:52
Speaker 11: brave enough to tell everybody about it. It's a huge backflip,
26:56
Speaker 11: and it's also one that's badly needed and long overdue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course the gas is running out, so says
27:04
Speaker 2: the experts in Victoria in twenty twenty seven. Thank you
27:06
Speaker 2: Chris Yeoman, He's all over this. He drew that one
27:08
Speaker 2: to my intention late this afternoon. What about this cost
27:12
Speaker 2: revision too, on the transition bill. It's been revised up.
27:17
Speaker 2: You'll never get revised down. It's been revised up by
27:20
Speaker 2: three billion dollars to one hundred and twenty eight billion.
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Speaker 11: Graham, Well, that dry, and look, that's only the start
27:30
Speaker 11: of the story. That figure of one twenty eight billion
27:33
Speaker 11: is an artificial figure. It's one that's been modeled if
27:37
Speaker 11: you like, to take account of what values of money
27:41
Speaker 11: will be in the future, but more importantly, what the
27:45
Speaker 11: cost or what the financial benefit is of reducing emissions.
27:49
Speaker 11: So the real figure on what it's going to cost
27:52
Speaker 11: this much much larger than one twenty eight billion, and
27:56
Speaker 11: modeling that was done by Frontier Economics has put it
28:00
Speaker 11: at about six hundred and fifty billion dollars, and AMO,
28:05
Speaker 11: by its own admission, is saying that the capital cost
28:08
Speaker 11: of doing these things is going up substantially, so even
28:11
Speaker 11: that six hundred billion dollar figure would be very conservative
28:15
Speaker 11: by the time the money's actually spent.
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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I mean I'm looking
28:20
Speaker 2: for it at Christmas. Hope, as we slide into the
28:22
Speaker 2: end of the year, I get a sense grown that
28:25
Speaker 2: we are starting to turn the tide and have a
28:29
Speaker 2: fact based, engineering based, reality based assessment on where we're
28:34
Speaker 2: headed in terms of energy.
28:36
Speaker 3: Is that fair.
28:39
Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 11: I think what we're saying is someone's going to be
28:42
Speaker 11: left holding the baby at the end of the day,
28:45
Speaker 11: and all the institutions who've been turing along from the
28:49
Speaker 11: sidelines are starting to raise the flag. And so all
28:53
Speaker 11: suggestions are that it's Chris Bowen who's going to be
28:55
Speaker 11: left holding it when it doesn't work out or reality
29:00
Speaker 11: comes to the surface, and he's got an opportunity to
29:03
Speaker 11: take stock of that now, But there's little indication he's
29:07
Speaker 11: going to do anything other than passing it on to
29:09
Speaker 11: the next guy.
29:11
Speaker 3: I think you'll quit, I think you'll shuffle off. I
29:13
Speaker 3: think you'll head off to global pastures.
29:18
Speaker 2: Let's call it that before he has to deal with
29:20
Speaker 2: the reality of he's mess I'll over there. Thank you,
29:22
Speaker 2: Graham aark the break Christianity is the bedrock of Western culture,
29:28
Speaker 2: then why is the Christian faith increasingly being sidelined in
29:32
Speaker 2: favor of a secular system or other.
29:34
Speaker 3: Non Christian religions.
29:37
Speaker 2: As we head into the Christmas season, Greg Sheridan joins
29:39
Speaker 2: me to discuss here's a new book and to defend
29:42
Speaker 2: Christian traditions.
29:49
Speaker 3: Welcome back coming up.
29:50
Speaker 2: Swinburne University's launched a new certificate for dropouts who fail
29:55
Speaker 2: to complete their degrees. So you get a certificate now
29:59
Speaker 2: if you fail.
30:00
Speaker 3: How's that for you?
30:01
Speaker 2: Low for even our education sector. But first, you know
30:05
Speaker 2: him as a foreign editor at The Australian and a
30:07
Speaker 2: friend of this program and someone we can rely on
30:10
Speaker 2: for a comprehensive take on global affairs. But veteran journalist
30:15
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan is also a very successful international author who's
30:20
Speaker 2: written a number of faith based books, including the best
30:23
Speaker 2: seller God Is Good for You. His latest offering, How
30:27
Speaker 2: Christians Can Succeed Today, reclaiming the genius of the Early Church.
30:32
Speaker 2: It's a powerful call for modern believers to rediscover the courage,
30:36
Speaker 2: the clarity and conviction that defined the first Christians. I'm
30:40
Speaker 2: pleased to say, as I mentioned before in this Christmas season,
30:43
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan joins me.
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Speaker 3: Now, Greg, I'm really pleased.
30:48
Speaker 2: As we start to wind down the year, we've got
30:50
Speaker 2: a chance to talk about some of these really big thematics.
30:53
Speaker 2: I think that matter as much as day to day
30:56
Speaker 2: politics matters to you and me, and I know to
30:59
Speaker 2: our audience, Christianity is often mocked or it's sidelined in
31:03
Speaker 2: the West and in many other parts of the world.
31:05
Speaker 2: We know that faiths like Islam is celebrated, respected, even.
31:10
Speaker 3: Protected by the state.
31:12
Speaker 2: Why is it that our society is built on Christian foundations,
31:16
Speaker 2: particularly in the West, we treat Christianity now as a
31:19
Speaker 2: problem to manage rather than a value structure that we
31:24
Speaker 2: need to protect and cherish.
31:29
Speaker 12: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you, and you know,
31:32
Speaker 12: thanks very much for everything that you do. Look, it
31:36
Speaker 12: is perverse the attitude to Christianity now in the West.
31:40
Speaker 12: I mean everywhere else in the world, Christianity is on fire.
31:43
Speaker 12: It's also persecuted, but it's on fire. Massive expansion in China,
31:47
Speaker 12: in Africa, you know, vibrant movements in Latin America. But
31:51
Speaker 12: there has been a bit of a rebirth even in
31:53
Speaker 12: the West, against the against the elites. So the idea
31:59
Speaker 12: of this book is the last time Christians in the
32:02
Speaker 12: West faced what was a kind of pagan culture, and
32:06
Speaker 12: I argue we're a sort of a neopagan culture now.
32:09
Speaker 12: Was the early Christians, and they were unbelievably successful in
32:13
Speaker 12: gaining the attention of the culture around them, and showing
32:17
Speaker 12: the superiority of Christian ideas and Christian beliefs by the
32:20
Speaker 12: way they lived. Now, I don't really have any argument
32:23
Speaker 12: with any other religious tradition, but I think the mad
32:29
Speaker 12: crazy ideologies in the West now are a sign of
32:34
Speaker 12: the West going crazy once it's lost transcendent belief and
32:40
Speaker 12: the ideology, you know, the sort of critical theory ideology
32:45
Speaker 12: puts all people either as oppressors or oppressed, and it's
32:48
Speaker 12: just decided that Christians are oppresses. So no matter what happens,
32:51
Speaker 12: you know, millions of you know, tens of thousands of
32:54
Speaker 12: Christians will be killed in Nigeria or Pakistan or China
32:59
Speaker 12: or whatever. Most of the Western media won't even report it.
33:02
Speaker 12: And then you know, the biggest deliverers of social welfare
33:06
Speaker 12: in Australia after a government of a Catholic and Anglican churches.
33:09
Speaker 12: But you'd never know that from anything about Catholics, you know,
33:13
Speaker 12: the way Catholics and Anglicans are treated in the mainstream
33:16
Speaker 12: popular culture. So and then finally, everything we like in
33:21
Speaker 12: our modern liberalism, human rights, equality of the sex, is feminism,
33:26
Speaker 12: and concern for the environment. Everything we like comes straight
33:29
Speaker 12: from Christianity. I've written about that in previous books. So
33:34
Speaker 12: we are in a demented space at the moment in
33:36
Speaker 12: the West, but I think the early Christians have a
33:40
Speaker 12: tremendous number of ideas and experiences that are helpful for
33:44
Speaker 12: us even today.
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Speaker 2: When I read about what's happening in the worst, particularly
33:51
Speaker 2: around Christianity. But we've also seen and happen to our
33:55
Speaker 2: Jewish brothers and sisters, and the anti Semitism that's been
33:58
Speaker 2: a real scourge. In recent years, there seems to be
34:02
Speaker 2: a re emergence, particularly with young people, particularly young men,
34:07
Speaker 2: in relation to Christianity. We see it in America first,
34:10
Speaker 2: and then we saw it obviously very heightened after the
34:14
Speaker 2: assassination of Charlie Kirk. Do you think that sustainable? Do
34:19
Speaker 2: you think that we are seeing a real turnaround here?
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Speaker 12: Look, it's tremendously exciting, Peter. I'm thrilled by it. I'm
34:29
Speaker 12: absolutely thrilled by it. So I've been a lifelong Christian,
34:32
Speaker 12: always had a lot of trouble leading a Christian life,
34:34
Speaker 12: but never had any trouble believing in Christianity. In the
34:37
Speaker 12: last fifteen years, I've been writing about the decline of Christianity.
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Speaker 3: In the West.
34:41
Speaker 12: Well, all of a sudden that decline has stopped. Statistically,
34:45
Speaker 12: according to the Pew Organization in America and yugovin England
34:49
Speaker 12: and similar studies in Australia, the statistical decline of Christianity
34:54
Speaker 12: has stopped. Two very powerful things are happening at once.
34:57
Speaker 12: There's a big move of intellectuals, people like Neil Ferguson
35:01
Speaker 12: on what you might call the center right, David Brooks
35:03
Speaker 12: on the set of Left coming to Christianity, and this
35:06
Speaker 12: astonishing movement to Christianity amongst Generation Z the Zoomers. Now,
35:13
Speaker 12: in a sense this fits in with the analysis of
35:15
Speaker 12: my book, because people my age a kind of post
35:18
Speaker 12: christian Then you've got the continuing Christians. But people under
35:22
Speaker 12: twenty eight, the Zoomers, they've never met Christianity. They never
35:25
Speaker 12: meet it in popular culture, they never meet it in
35:27
Speaker 12: their schools. You know, our education systems are determined they'll
35:30
Speaker 12: never come across the writings of Paul, the most significant
35:33
Speaker 12: writer in human history. And in a sense they're living
35:36
Speaker 12: in a kind of a neopagan culture which tells them
35:40
Speaker 12: to worship the environment and you know, to seek instant
35:43
Speaker 12: pleasures on their smartphones and everything, and like the neopagan,
35:47
Speaker 12: like the first Pagans of the Greco Roman world, they
35:51
Speaker 12: found that this is terribly unsatisfying. It leads nowhere, it's hollow.
35:55
Speaker 12: In fact, it leads to despair. The biggest cause of
35:58
Speaker 12: death amongst eighteen to forty four year olds in Australia
36:00
Speaker 12: is suicide, which is unbelievable and terrible and shocking. And
36:04
Speaker 12: these people, they are C. S. Lewis said once Pagans
36:09
Speaker 12: are pre Christians. They're yearning for meaning, they're searching for something.
36:13
Speaker 12: And for the first time in two thousand years, I mean,
36:15
Speaker 12: when you study Christianity, you've become very pro woman because
36:18
Speaker 12: more women have traditionally responded to it than men. But
36:22
Speaker 12: for the first time in history that we can see
36:25
Speaker 12: more men in the generation z Cohort are coming to
36:30
Speaker 12: Christian faith than women. Although a lot of women are
36:32
Speaker 12: coming to it's not one hundred to one, it's kind
36:35
Speaker 12: of fifty five to forty five or something like that.
36:37
Speaker 12: This is a tremendously exciting development. It's too early to
36:41
Speaker 12: claim victory or anything, but nobody would have predicted this.
36:44
Speaker 12: Everybody was telling us, you know, the new atheists and
36:46
Speaker 12: so on, that Christianity was dead, but you know you
36:49
Speaker 12: can't kill God.
36:50
Speaker 3: Guess what, Hey, I like it.
36:53
Speaker 2: We've had a bit of Christmas hope as we end
36:56
Speaker 2: the year, Greek, thank you.
36:57
Speaker 3: I'm going to plug your book.
36:58
Speaker 2: So I think this is a terrific present young people
37:00
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37:02
Speaker 2: way a little bit but wants to get their life
37:04
Speaker 2: back on track. Here's the book How Christians Can Succeed Today?
37:08
Speaker 2: All good bookstores and the publisher of course, Alan and Unwin.
37:12
Speaker 2: We'll get to that book, and I'm sure if he
37:13
Speaker 2: sent it to Greek, you'd happily sign it for you.
37:16
Speaker 3: Right, let's have a quick break after the break.
37:17
Speaker 2: The one billion dollar a gold mine that was blocked
37:20
Speaker 2: by the Albanesia government slapped for a thirty year suppression order.
37:25
Speaker 3: What is going on?
37:27
Speaker 2: Plus flat packed homes made in China shipped to Melbourne.
37:33
Speaker 2: We can do better than that, surely, welcome back to
37:40
Speaker 2: come a special Words of the Year with Kel. But first,
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Speaker 2: a federal court judge has granted a thirty year suppression order. However,
37:49
Speaker 2: some of the evidences submitted in the judicial review of
37:52
Speaker 2: Tanya Pleva six decision to block the one billion dollar
37:55
Speaker 2: Blaney gold mine, just as James Stelios made the decision
37:59
Speaker 2: in order to indigenous cultural sensitivities, even though he conceded
38:04
Speaker 2: it would quote have a detrimental impact on open justice.
38:08
Speaker 2: The mining industry slam the move, the Minerals Council of
38:11
Speaker 2: Australia saying the suppression order makes Australia a secret state.
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Speaker 2: Joining be now to discuss this in more page. Research
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Speaker 2: Center CEO Jared holland the Skynese contributor Jamie Rodgers, Welcome
38:23
Speaker 2: to you both.
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Speaker 3: Jared.
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Speaker 2: I have to say I'm with the mining industry here.
38:27
Speaker 2: A thirty year suppression order is extraordinary.
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Speaker 13: As far as I'm aware of, Peter, this is unprecedented.
38:35
Speaker 13: This is far longer than even some of the most
38:38
Speaker 13: secretive Cabinet documents. It's very hard to see how this
38:41
Speaker 13: is in the public interest, and as the judge conceded themselves,
38:44
Speaker 13: this actually really damages public transparency. Now, a couple of
38:48
Speaker 13: crucial things have been cited for the reasons here, and
38:50
Speaker 13: bear in mind that both the government's lawyers and the
38:53
Speaker 13: traditional owners or the traditional voices Indigenous people involved in
38:57
Speaker 13: this ask for this suppression order, and one of the
38:59
Speaker 13: things that the justice sites or the judge sites is
39:02
Speaker 13: to protect traditional law. And there are some comments made
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Speaker 13: those legal practitioners that this wouldn't be helpful for the
39:09
Speaker 13: wider public to be aware of what's going on. And
39:11
Speaker 13: I'm not going to assume anything sinister going on here,
39:14
Speaker 13: but when did we have such a terrible two tier
39:17
Speaker 13: justice system. All of us are Australians, all of us
39:20
Speaker 13: should be held in the same standards, of the same accountability,
39:23
Speaker 13: the same legal system, and the idea that something should
39:26
Speaker 13: need to be suppressed because it's none of our business
39:29
Speaker 13: how indigenous law is practiced. I think it is absolutely outrageous.
39:32
Speaker 13: And Tania Plumber sec what has she done? What catastrophic
39:36
Speaker 13: decisions did she make? What guidance did she take? That
39:39
Speaker 13: is so embarrassing for the government that they have requested
39:42
Speaker 13: this thirty year suppression. I think this is a massive story.
39:44
Speaker 13: It is an enormous scandal. I'm really frustrated at how
39:48
Speaker 13: this has gone. It's gone from a bad minister's decision
39:51
Speaker 13: to a quite serious scandal around the way our country
39:53
Speaker 13: is run in our legal justice system, and I think
39:57
Speaker 13: that needs so much more scrutiny, and I hope it
39:58
Speaker 13: doesn't go away.
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Speaker 2: And of course, Ahure and Victoria, this is what's coming
40:03
Speaker 2: your way with the treaty. Because every other law in
40:06
Speaker 2: this land is in black and white, in a piece
40:09
Speaker 2: of legislation, in a statute you could pick up and
40:12
Speaker 2: read that's freely available to all Australians. This so called
40:15
Speaker 2: indigenous law is now being buried for thirty years.
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Speaker 3: You want to ask why, ask why.
40:21
Speaker 2: Loads a flat packed homes? I had to read this
40:24
Speaker 2: a couple of times, Jamie. So the Chinese tradees, they
40:28
Speaker 2: get the jobs, the Chinese construction industry gets the work,
40:32
Speaker 2: they build these homes, and they then turn up in
40:36
Speaker 2: Australia and get a couple of people there a bit
40:38
Speaker 2: like Ikia to put them together. But as I say,
40:41
Speaker 2: all the investment, the work and the jobs are in Shanghai,
40:45
Speaker 2: not much here in Australia. I mean, who thinks this
40:48
Speaker 2: is a good thing?
40:49
Speaker 3: I don't. No, I'm with you there, Peter.
40:52
Speaker 9: This should be sending chills down the spine of everyone
40:55
Speaker 9: that works in the construction industry because yet again we
40:58
Speaker 9: are sending jobs offshore or over to China, and further
41:01
Speaker 9: adding more of our reliance on China as well. And
41:04
Speaker 9: if I'm reading that article right Peter, of these five
41:07
Speaker 9: townhouses that are going to be built in Melbourne, apparently
41:10
Speaker 9: the demand is quite high for this because it takes
41:13
Speaker 9: about ten months off the time of what a regular
41:16
Speaker 9: build would be and construction costs, as you would imagine,
41:19
Speaker 9: I significantly.
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Speaker 3: Less off the back of that.
41:21
Speaker 9: But they will be eighty five percent built over in China,
41:24
Speaker 9: but they'll be doing things like waterproofing, electrical work, and
41:29
Speaker 9: then the finished product or the eighty five percent product,
41:31
Speaker 9: comes over to Australia. It's apparently looked at in China
41:35
Speaker 9: and Australia to make sure that it does reach our guidelines.
41:38
Speaker 9: But it will always have that query as to whether
41:40
Speaker 9: or not we can ensure that top quality of construction.
41:45
Speaker 9: But my biggest concern, Peter, as you just mentioned, it's
41:47
Speaker 9: the amount of jobs that we are letting again go
41:50
Speaker 9: offshore over to China. I don't know about you, but
41:53
Speaker 9: I really just think having a flat pack ikea style
41:56
Speaker 9: home really doesn't tickle my fancy.
41:59
Speaker 3: Oh it's weird in my care.
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Speaker 2: It's a team Ou home. No one, It's a Chinese
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Speaker 2: team MoU home. That's probably you know, fitted out with
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Speaker 2: kit Despy on you from some sort of cyber aspect
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Speaker 2: down the track. Be careful, is all I'd say. Hey,
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Speaker 2: Swinburn University, So you drop out of university. Now if
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Speaker 2: you go to Swinburn you'll get a degree. You won't
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Speaker 2: get a degree, biggie part. You'll get a piece of
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Speaker 2: paper that I don't think it'll say that you've failed,
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Speaker 2: but it'll basically give you something to walk away with
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Speaker 2: even though you didn't really do anything at all to finish.
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Speaker 2: This is the tertiary manifestation gered of that every child
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Speaker 2: gets surprised nonsense that's coming through our schools.
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Speaker 13: We've become a participation ribbon country, Peter. It's not just education.
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Speaker 13: We can no longer conceptualize what it is to win
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Speaker 13: as a country. We don't know if you want to win.
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Speaker 13: We certainly can't consider that other nations might want us
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Speaker 13: to lose or try and compete with us. And it's
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Speaker 13: not surprised. I don't know what employee would look at
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Speaker 13: this and think, oh, wow, you dropped out. You've got
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Speaker 13: a participation ribbon Let me hire you. Very bizarre act.
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Speaker 13: But I think just another signal of just how far
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Speaker 13: our standards slipping as a nation.
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Speaker 3: It is nuts hey.
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Speaker 2: The CFMU inquiry in Queensland, the Royal Commission. You've got
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Speaker 2: the former Labor leader now opposition leader, Steven Miles, former
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Speaker 2: premier and a number of former labor ministers. They're all
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Speaker 2: scratching around now desperate to get legal indemnity for their
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Speaker 2: costs in this inquiry.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of this one, Jamie? Not good?
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Speaker 9: Definitely not good, Peter. But yet again they are going
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Speaker 9: to be tipping into the taxpayer dollars to be funding
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Speaker 9: what's going on next. But I think this inquiry is
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Speaker 9: something that is really important. It's going to investigate the
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Speaker 9: actions and the culture of the CFMU. It's something that's important.
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Speaker 9: But I don't like the fact that in the headline
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Speaker 9: it's that they're going to be using more taxpayer dollars
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Speaker 9: to fund it.
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Speaker 2: If the former premier did the right thing all the
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Speaker 2: way along, you should not need indemnity.
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Speaker 3: Leave it there, Thank you both.
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Speaker 2: After the break words of the year, you love this one.
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Speaker 2: Every December we get to it. Kel joins me shortly.
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Speaker 2: Jordy Maan now as he does every Wednesday, this is
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Speaker 2: a special one tonight, This is the end of year words,
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Speaker 2: Kel Richards.
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Speaker 3: This is what they do every year.
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Speaker 2: The word of the year, every university, every dictionary has
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Speaker 2: a different one. Mcquarie dictionary will start there. AI slop
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Speaker 2: is their phrase.
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Speaker 3: Of the year.
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Speaker 5: Now they very politely say it's low quality information generated
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Speaker 5: by AI. I think they're being polite. I think they
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Speaker 5: mean you can't trust AI because a lot of what
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Speaker 5: comes out of AI is absolutely rubbish. But obviously the
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Speaker 5: reason they chose it of the word of the year
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Speaker 5: is this is the year in which AI exploded, so
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Speaker 5: they wanted something with AI in it and they found it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, McQuary obviously is the Australian dictionary. You'll tell me
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Speaker 2: where the Colins dictionary is located to give us a
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Speaker 2: sense of this word.
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Speaker 3: But they're phrase and they're not words. Obviously. This one's
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Speaker 3: another phrase. Vibe coding. What's that one?
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Speaker 5: This is the interesting because this is the opposite. This says,
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Speaker 5: trust AI, Trust AI to program your computer for you.
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Speaker 5: Vibe coding is when instead of learning how to write code,
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Speaker 5: which is difficult and it takes you years, you simply write
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Speaker 5: sentences in ordinary English and AI will translate it into
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Speaker 5: a proper machine code which the computer can understand. So
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Speaker 5: while the macquari is telling us not to trust II,
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Speaker 5: I think that the Colins is telling us to trust AI.
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Speaker 5: You work out where you stand.
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Speaker 3: Where's the Colons from?
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Speaker 5: Kel that comes from London. So this is their British
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Speaker 5: It's the big British dictionary that's been running for about
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Speaker 5: two hundred years now. It's an excellent dictionary.
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Speaker 3: Yeah one at Haivan wasn't sure where it was from.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is an Australian addition of Colins with a
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Speaker 5: lot of Australian content in it. They've got an office
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Speaker 5: Sydney and they do wordwork here as well.
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Speaker 2: Yep, okay, this is one you and I talked about before.
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Speaker 2: Dictionary dot com loves the old six seven.
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Speaker 5: I'm still being told that people don't understand what it means,
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Speaker 5: or they think it means nothing. No, it has a meaning.
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Speaker 5: The kids do it, and they do it with an
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Speaker 5: upward inflection, and six seven what their meaning is. It's
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Speaker 5: so so. It's not really bad, it's not really good,
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Speaker 5: it's just so so. It comes to an American basketball
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Speaker 5: player named Lomelo Ball, who is six feet seven inches tall.
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Speaker 5: He's very flashy, very popular. But he's no Michael Jordan.
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Speaker 5: He's not a brilliant player. He's just a so so player.
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Speaker 5: Hence six seven.
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Speaker 2: Aha, right, Oxford whatever for Oxford Dictionary, they've got another phrase,
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Speaker 2: two lots of phrases tonight, rage bait.
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Speaker 5: Yet, rage bait is when you click on a website
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Speaker 5: because what you've seen are pasted on our page you're
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Speaker 5: looking at makes you angry. Apparently, if you make people
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Speaker 5: angry enough, they will click on your website and go
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Speaker 5: to your website.
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Speaker 10: Why.
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Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe in order to become spitting mad.
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Speaker 5: But rage bait is you get clicks by making them angry.
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Speaker 2: So this is an update in the old clickbait because
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Speaker 2: that used to be heavily driven by a picture you
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Speaker 2: wanted to see.
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Speaker 5: That's right.
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Speaker 2: This is about an emotion. They're trying to get you
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Speaker 2: to feel.
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Speaker 5: That's right, and if you're angry, you'll click on it.
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Speaker 5: So the evidence says, so.
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Speaker 3: The algorithm does too.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the cambridge they're saying, and it's a word,
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Speaker 2: this one.
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Speaker 3: Parasocial is their word of the year.
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Speaker 5: They say this describes a relationship between someone who thinks
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Speaker 5: they have a personal relationship with someone they only ever
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Speaker 5: see on a screen. So it's like a toxic fan.
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Speaker 5: It's the stalker's word. A parasocial relationship is clearly a
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Speaker 5: very unhealthy relationship, but it's around, so hence the word.
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Speaker 3: And this will be a test for me.
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Speaker 2: Stupid agenic or stupidiogenic?
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Speaker 5: Stupid agenic?
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Speaker 10: Right now?
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Speaker 3: What's this one?
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Speaker 5: And the beisagenic society makes you fat, It feeds you
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Speaker 5: really too huge sizes and too much fat. And a
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Speaker 5: stupid agenic society is such that it makes you stupid.
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Speaker 5: We no longer read maps, we go to GPS, we
48:21
Speaker 5: don't do research. We just ask Google. We're becoming stupid.
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Speaker 5: It's called cognitive offloading by the experts, and it's happening
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Speaker 5: a lot, and we've got to guard against it.
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Speaker 2: Plum's a young person. Give them a paper map, that's
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Speaker 2: what you do. Or you give them money and you
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Speaker 2: don't let them put it into the cash rhagers. So
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Speaker 2: they've actually got to find out and work out the change.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. That is quite hilarious to watch, Kel.
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Speaker 5: Yes it is.
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Speaker 3: We leave that there last show next week.
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Speaker 2: Make sure you get your last words into Kel will
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Speaker 2: close out the year next Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. Great to have your company. See
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Speaker 3: you tomorrow