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Tony Gurule: Immigration, Islam According to Muhammad · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hello, friends, family and Christ.
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  Thank you so much for tuning in, watching, listening, sharing, we've got our brother
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  from Radical Truth, Tony Garoule, back with us, RadicalTruth.net.
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  A lot of things to talk about, brother, thank you so much for all you do, thanks for joining
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  us today.
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  David, it's always great to be with you in your audience.
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  Always, always.
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  So a lot to get to today, there's an event you have coming up, we'll talk about that a
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  little later.
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  But basically, there's a lot of ignorance in the American church.
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  You maybe want to just say we're kind of naive about Islam and the spread of Islam, maybe
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  the intent of the radicals in that side, they're getting into American schools, they're in
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  our government.
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  And we've talked about this before in the podcast, but as I mentioned before, we got on.
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  We have a lot of newer viewers and listeners, praise God, we're growing, that's the direction
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  we want to go.
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  And they maybe haven't heard of Radical Truth, can you just give a basic rundown of what
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  you do, what you specialize in, and then we'll talk about what's going on in the country.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well, David, it's always great to be with you again.
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  And Radical Truth, we proclaim truth, share the gospel and expose Islam.
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  So when we proclaim truth, that has to do with not just, of course, proclaiming the truth
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  that people need to know about Christianity and doing apologetics, but is also, of course,
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  the gospel first and foremost.
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  That's the solution to all the world's problems, that's the power of God into salvation, that's
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  what all Muslims throughout the world need to hear.
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  And of course, all non-Christians in general, but also we expose Islam.
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  And this is what makes us unique in that we do these three things specifically, because
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  when exposing Islam has to do with the Islamic agenda for the world, it has to do with
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  a lot of the Islamists and their tactics and what they're doing here in the West, which
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  I know we're going to talk about.
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  And also too, there's a lot of people out there who still don't know Islam according
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  to Muhammad.
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  And that when you look at the actions of ISIS and al-Qaeda and these different jihadist
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  groups, they're following Muhammad's life to a T. If Muhammad were alive today, he
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  wouldn't just join ISIS, he would lead it.
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  And a lot of people who think that Islam is a religion of peace, quote, unquote, and they
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  think that peace is referring to peace in the Western sense of the word, like as in
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  peace and tranquility, it doesn't.
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  Islam and Islamists, jihadists, et cetera, they all define all these terms differently.
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  I know we're going to be talking about at least a couple of those terms today and one
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  of these articles.
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  But yeah, that's what we do.
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  Proclaim true, share the gospel and expose Islam.
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  And we have a TV show that's on NRB TV, direct TV channel 378 every Saturday night.
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  We have podcasts on probably 15 different platforms, we're in 126 countries now, 127 countries.
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  I think we just added Malawi last last last week or so.
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  And yeah, so we're reaching people in churches and we speak a lot of political groups as
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  well.
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  We do a lot of general evangelist training, general apologetics.
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  So we're just here to equip the church.
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  It's great.
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  I really appreciate what you guys do.
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  And you know, we've talked about this before, Tony, and that the church really in America
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  really isn't up to speed on really what Islam is about.
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  Because I think as Christians, do you find this accurate that we kind of want to love
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  our neighbor, right?
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  Love, love, love.
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  We want to err on the side of giving other human beings the benefit of the doubt.
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  But I think we miss the fact that there's a spiritual war going on.
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  And there's people who are not really authentic in what they're doing when it comes to their
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  religion or particularly Islam.
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  Now there are nominal Muslims, just like there are nominal Christians.
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  But we are talking about, we're going to get to talking about some terror cells in the
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  US.
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  Before we do that, can you explain maybe what the solution is to the church in America,
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  to Christians who should be informed and understanding these things and where we are
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  from that perspective with the spread of this.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  If you want to pull up that poster that we have, this is a flyer of our brand new grace
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  and truth events.
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  And this first one, as you can see there, is booked in Pensacola, Florida next month, November
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  15th.
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  I believe is what it says there is kind of our way.
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  But basically my colleague, Olin Giles, who is the newest missionary with radical truth,
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  he's been with us for about a year now.
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  I've been with us.
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  I've been with here radical truth about six years.
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  But Olin Giles and I, this is a presentation that we recently created together.
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  We have a lot of the individual presentations that we've created and that we give regularly.
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  But this is our brand new grace and truth that we collaborated on.
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  And whether churches have me give it or Olin give it, you're pretty much going to get
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  the same exact core material either way.
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  And this is the most well-rounded presentation that we have for churches in particular.
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  Because when I speak at political events, they don't care about the gospel, they just
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  want to know about Islamic law, the Muslim Brotherhood, they want to know about the threats
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  of Islam.
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  When you're in churches, a lot of them don't want to touch the political aspects of Islam,
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  but they want to know, hey, how do I reach my Muslim neighbor, my Muslim coworker,
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  the Muslim who lives down the street or works down the street or whoever.
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  What do I say to the average Muslim who I see at the grocery store?
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  So we want to equip the church in multiple ways.
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  Number one, they need to know Islam according to Muhammad.
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  Just to be aware of it, to be aware of the threat overall, which is not going away.
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  At the same time, they need to know and realize the solution is the gospel.
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  And 1.8 billion Muslims throughout the world need the gospel.
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  Most Muslims have never heard it.
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  If they have heard it, they don't understand it.
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  And of course, both of those are required for Muslims to realize what the gospel is, repent
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  and put their trust in Christ.
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  And we're going to pull up a little list here of the things that we cover in this grace
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  and truth event.
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  Number one, we do start off with the gospel because that is the solution, as I said.
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  And we explain that, we go in depth to make sure that people who attend this event, if
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  they are there at a church, they say they're Christians, well, are you saved yourself?
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  Are you a Christian?
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  If you can't explain the gospel to me, why should I believe that you're a Christian
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  and so on?
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  It's what is the gospel?
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  Why do we need it?
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  Then we get into Islam and we talk about some similarities between Christianity and Islam.
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  We also talk about the differences, which are what truly matter.
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  We talk about, we talk about some important distinctions between Muslims and Islam.
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  Now, Dave, all in an eye in Christine, we're all very clear on this to people.
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  We love Muslims because they're people made in the image of God who Jesus Christ died for.
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  They just happen to be Muslims.
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  But guess what?
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  They're potential Christians because they can repent and put their trust in Christ.
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  Now, we critique Islam and we don't like Islam.
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  Islam is a religious political system, which is keeping 1.8 billion Muslims in bondage.
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  They think it's true, even though it's not.
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  They're threatened with death if they leave Islam.
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  So here in the West, the positive sign of this mass immigration coin is that we can actually
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  reach Muslims with the gospel illegally, give them a Bible, give them a gospel to John,
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  give them a gospel track, give them a Jesus film, whatever, we could not do that in the
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  countries that they're coming from.
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  So again, this is the positive aspect of immigration.
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  The negative aspect is that Islamization is the goal and that's the Islamic goal of
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  the mass immigration.
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  So people need to know about both of these things.
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  Dave, we also cover, of course, the solutions in this workshop and that's evangelism, apologetics
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  and polemics.
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  And we can go more in depth than to that.
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  But also, we end this workshop with either a Q&A or we can even do a panel discussion if
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  the pastor of the church wants to participate in that himself or if he wants to bring in
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  other speakers in the area, whoever.
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  So anyway, grace and truth is our newest event.
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  Again, it's catered for churches in particular.
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  Great.
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  So Islamization is not the same as assimilation.
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  Very important.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  So something, Islam according to Muhammad, and I'm guessing Islam according to, for example,
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  the mainstream media, it's not the same as what actually is happening in our country
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  because they kind of sugarcoat everything.
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  So really quickly, back to Islamization and terror cells.
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  We hear a lot about terror cells.
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  We've been here about a little since 9-11, and some people have been paying more attention
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  to this.
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  Why do you think knowing that they're here in America, those who are radicalized on that
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  side wanting to do damage to the infidel or to America or to Jews, why do you think they
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  haven't made a big move yet?
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  I don't think there has been an official call for that.
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  I also don't think that things in America are in the situation that they should be for
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  this zero day, so to speak, to take place.
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  In 2019, when I released this light out when Islam rules America, in there, I talked
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  about the four areas of American society being Islamized, education, immigration, government
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  and churches.
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  I talked about the threat of jihad taking place in America.
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  I shared a little video clip of a guy who says, hey, what happened in Middle Eastern
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  countries?
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  People remember the Arab Spring back in 2012, all this other stuff.
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  They used that as in the mainstream media, they helped about, oh, these Muslims, they just
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  want democracy.
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  They just want freedom.
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  What was happening behind the scenes was this was a Muslim takeover that was taking place.
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  I've mentioned to you Sherry Berenz, whose book I've done multiple shows on, and she
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  gave a behind the scenes day-by-day diary account of Islamization that was taking place while
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  the Western media was saying, oh, these Muslims just want freedom and democracy.
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  The problem with Islam is, again, it's a religious political system, a religion and a political
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  ideology combined.
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  The jihadists who are out there physically fighting have the same end goal as the guys
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  wearing suits who are trying to make Islam acceptable in the West and are saying, oh,
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  we just want justice.
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  We just want peace and freedom, and they are doing like this, I know we have a new story
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  about text payers funding Islamic schools in Tennessee.
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  Our last show, we talked about the Islamization of Texas and all the mosques that are being
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  built, being expanded upon, churches being bought, turned into churches, or sorry, churches
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  being bought, turned into mosques and all of that.
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  It's all because in the Quran, chapter 48, verse 28, it tells everyone who reads it that
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  Islam is supposed to rule over all other religions.
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  The goal of Islam is to rule the world, the world to be under Islamic law, but that can't
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  take place unless Islamization takes place.
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  In America, we have a military, we have a lot of defense against any type of physical
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  fighting activities, so how do they subvert the West?
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  How do they Islamize the West?
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  That's through not through the sword, that's through money, that's through the pen, that's
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  through dawa, that's through building mosques, that they're hoping to be filled by Muslims
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  someday.
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  It's a different tactic in the West, and the thing is that, yeah, we have this threat
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  of the jihadists, but people need to realize that that is in some way, it's a some degree,
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  a distraction from the Islamization that's slowly taking place anyway because of the works
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  of the Islamists who have the same end goal.
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  So now let's bring up that article, Jeff, about general Flynn sharing a report on terror
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  cells, and this is over at radicaltruth.net, and I just want to read what Laura Lumer reported
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  on this, and quoting Michael Flynn in this article as well, sources tell me tonight that
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  the National Counterterrorism Center has officially determined that Islamic terrorists
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  affiliated with al-Qaeda have infiltrated US soil and are actively planning a series
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  of coordinated Islamic terror attacks.
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  This marks the first time federal counterterrorism officials have openly acknowledged the immediacy
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  of such threats, signaling a potential escalation in domestic jihadist activity not seen since
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  the height of ISIS-inspired plots in the mid-2010s, and then it goes on, a lot of information
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  in that post, we should put this in our notes on under the video, but Tony, tell us more
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  about this and why you're concerned, concerned enough to put this on your website.
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  Yeah, I sent it out through newsletter as well, and it's basically informing people about
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  the aspect of the mass immigration that people haven't really thought about.
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  All the people are happy thinking, oh, they're getting all these people deported.
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  Well, they're basically primarily deporting people who have known criminal records.
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  If there are jihadists in this country who came in using a false name, they aren't in
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  a database of, oh, this person is a known criminal, well, they are not the first ones on the
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  list to be deported.
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  They're deporting people who, again, for a lot of people who have known criminal records
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  or they are deporting some people who are terror threats, quote, unquote, however, how
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  many people came through the border over the last four years when Biden was in office,
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  and how many of them have been taken out, how many are still here, how many of them have
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  no criminal record, and they have this goal of Islamization because they're Muslim,
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  and they're a good Muslim, quote unquote, and they're following Islam according to Muhammad.
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  But that doesn't mean that they're out there physically fighting right when they get
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  here.
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  Some are because they're impatient.
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  Others are very patient.
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  Yeah.
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  And the most patient, the most patient of all are the Islamists who are just working to
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  make Islam acceptable in the West and bring about Islamization that way.
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  So that's the thing.
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  In a number of my new presentations that I give, I have a slide where I say 1.8 billion
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  Muslims, but then I break that down and say, look, we have jihadists, we have Islamists,
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  we have what you might call nominal Muslims, we have cultural Muslims.
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  The thing is out of those four groups, who's actually following Islam according to Muhammad
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  and Islam according to Islam's primary sources, maybe I should say that because there is
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  an in-house debate going on of who was Muhammad, did he exist, when did he exist and all
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  that kind of stuff.
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  So I'm just saying, one of my new slides too is, here are six reasons or eight reasons
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  why it doesn't matter whether Muhammad existed or not.
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  And one of those is because Islamization's still going to take place anyway.
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  Yes.
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  Because you have 1.8 billion Muslims who think that he did exist.
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  Yep.
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  And if you're not sharing the gospel with Muslims, if you're not doing apologetics to the
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  thing Christianity, if you're not doing polemics, so let them know why Islam is false, don't
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  be surprised when 1.8 billion people keep doing what Muhammad said to do.
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  So it's an interesting question and we're enjoying the research and all in my colleague
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  is doing a master's degree in polemics and apologetics to Islam, covering all this historical
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  critique stuff.
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  However, like I said, Islamization's still going to take place, persecution of Christians
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  and Jews and other non-Muslims is still going to take place whether Muhammad existed
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  or not.
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  The Islamization of the West is going to continue to take place.
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  The jihadist threats to non-Islamic areas of the world are going to continue to take place.
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  Now out of, I don't remember exactly all six of what is still going to take place are.
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  I know, again, another one I'm just popped in my mind was again, the threat of the Muslim
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  brotherhood and Muslim brotherhood front groups who were throughout America.
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  But the two things that need to continue to happen though or what need to start happening
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  is Christians need to share the gospel with all Muslims everywhere and Christians need
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  to continue to do apologetics and defend the historic Christian faith.
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  Yes.
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  And that's why this new grace and tooth event that a workshop that we've created does
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  these three things.
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  It focuses on the gospel primarily.
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  We also get into apologetics.
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  We also get into polemics and we explain to your church the real threat of Islam and
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  Islamization that they need to know about along with the truth and the solution.
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  So we've done on before another podcast here on World View Matters, Tony, we, you and
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  I, especially you and your expertise, you have contrasted Christianity and Islam, Jesus
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  versus Muhammad and there couldn't be a bigger contrast, I think, into, you know, quote
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  unquote religious leaders.
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  But maybe people can look up those past episodes that WorldView Matters.tv, just look
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  up Tony Garoule, G-U-R-U-L-E and all of the episodes that we've done with Tony will
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  come up because we have talked about this.
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  Maybe we might want to do it again in the near future because it's so important to contrast
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  the two, you know, Christianity and Islam.
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  But I want to ask you if this is a concern and you know our government probably knows the
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  threat level, they probably know what's going on across the country and that's, they probably
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  don't want to alarm the public.
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  But why do you think our government leaders, the lawmakers, have not addressed this growing
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  threat of Islamic terror or potential terror in the U.S.?
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  Why do you think our, the Congress, you know, our lawmakers haven't addressed this?
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  It's not only because we have devout Muslims in Congress, but we have many congressmen
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  on both sides, both Republican and Democrats that have been influenced by the Islamists
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  who, again, if what's in Islamist is usually the nicest guy in the room, that's usually how
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  he's subscribed because he's always trying to be, you know, buddy, buddy with everybody.
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  And again, the goal is Islamization, they're trying to make Islam acceptable in the West,
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  they're trying to make everyone out there think that the jihadists who are out there physically
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  fighting, that's an aberration of Islam, that's not true Islam, they think they say,
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  oh, those are the radicals, like as in militants, but the word radical doesn't mean militant
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  or violent, it means to go back to the root of something.
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  Dave, our ministry's called radical truth, does that mean that we're
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  of violence about the truth, of right, out there doing violence? No.
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  We're going back to the roots of Christianity, the truth, the Lord Jesus Christ,
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  and radical Christianity is a solution to radical Islam, because a radical Christian does what
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  Jesus said to do, a radical Muslim does what Muhammad said to do.
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  That's great. The thing is, is that there are many Muslims in the West
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  who they have a cognitive dissonance going on saying, okay,
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  Muhammad said to do this, but I'm living in this Western society, you know, they like
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  America in whatever way they like it. I mean, so there's always a cognitive dissonance
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  with a Muslim who wants to be devoused, but at the same time has that God given law written
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  upon their hearts. And that's why we as Christians need to take Muslims through the law,
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  just like we take any non-Muslim through it to help them realize their sin,
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  that their need for a savior, and help the good news make sense, make sense with only the good
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  news lots of times only make sense when people realize the bad news first. We've got to help people
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  realize that they're sinners so that the good news actually sounds like good news.
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  And that's the same case with the Muslim. So to answer the answer to that question,
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  it's because the government has been infiltrated by Islamists who are using the terms
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  peace, freedom, justice, and human rights, but they don't they don't mean it in the Western
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  sense of the term peace doesn't mean freedom, it means lack of opposition. In other words,
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  when the whole world's under Islamic law, the whole world is under Dar al-Islam or the house of
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  peace, then there's peace quote unquote, it's because there's no opposition against Islam.
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  Wow. Just this is defined by Islamic law, human rights is defined by Islamic law. And when they
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  talk about human rights, we're not talking about the declaration of human rights, we're talking about
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  the chiro declaration of human rights, which is an Islamized version of human rights according to
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  charia Islamic law. So people need to know that our government has been infiltrated by these
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  lawmists. And again, same goal as the jihadists, just that they're very patient, the jihadists
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  are not. Yeah. Boy, I mean, not unlike the left in the Marxists in America, very patient in
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  infiltrating culture and society to bring about revolution or whatever their end game is. But
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  let's before we run out of time, Alex Newman, our colleague here and our friend over at Liberty
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  Sentinel, did a recent article over on his sub-stack tax payers are funding Islamic schools in
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  Tennessee and you're going Tony, how could this how could this happen in any state in America,
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  let alone Tennessee? And he says Tennessee is forcing taxpayers to fund Islamic indoctrination
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  camps, teachings, charia law and jihad to children under the guise of quote education. This will
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  come to the rest of the US if it's not stopped. And I'll read one more sentence or two and I'll
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  let you respond. A new government funded school choice program in Tennessee is already funneling
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  taxpayer money to multiple multiple Muslim schools across the state that openly embrace
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  charia law Islamic law and jihad school leaders are also using the students to lobby state officials.
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  Tony, if it can happen in Tennessee, my goodness, your thoughts on this. Just like we talked
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  about how can all this mosque building and Islamization take place in Texas? If it can take place
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  there, it can take place anywhere. Dave, they're going they're going for what are known to be the
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  conservative states of America. Because the liberal states of America are fallen right line and ready
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  for socialism, which Vladimir Lenin said leads, it basically said that the goal of socialism is
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  communism. And because Islamists and Marxists, socialists, communists, etc. have the same
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  mutual hatred for America and hatred for freedom in general. That's why they're willing to work
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  together temporarily. However, their end goals are mutually exclusive because in communist countries,
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  you don't have Muslims in power. And if you're an Islamic country, you don't have a communist
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  in power. Communism is just anti-god across the board. That's why you have Muslims being persecuted
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  in addition to Christians and Jews and other people in communist countries. So they're just
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  completely anti-god, which means completely anti-Ala as well. But here in America, as it says in
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  that story, in quotes, it says our message was clear, Tennessee's Muslim community is engaged,
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  organized, and committed to advocating for, here's the key word, justice. As I said, peace,
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  freedom, justice, and human rights. These are the terms that they're going to use. Just to write
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  to. Right. Which basically means just us because if you're not a Muslim, then you're not going
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  to be on the same level or be in power as they gain power of themselves. Good. So they are your
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  friend until they gain power. Just like Mohammed. When he was in Mecca, again, according to tradition,
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  when when Mohammed had no power, no followers, no money, he just spoke about religious matters.
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  As he gained power, followers, and money, and military might, it became more political preaching
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  than religious. What's the status many years ago, especially during the Obama administration,
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  I remember all these headlines coming out and finding out that some schools were teaching
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  the five pillars of Islam. Now, maybe they teach that under the umbrella of world religions or
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  world history. But do you know what's the latest on that Tony? Are they still doing that or
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  because Christian Christian parents kind of had a problem with that. They went to school board
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  meetings and said, Hey, if you're not going to teach the Bible, what are you doing teaching this?
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  Do you have any updates on that? I don't have any very recent updates. People just need to be
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  aware of it. I mean, obviously, even if someone goes to a community college and takes a class on
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  the world religions, they're going to be learning about Islam to a degree. The problem is,
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  is that for decades now, Middle Eastern countries have been giving more money to American
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  universities and colleges. Then those same universities and colleges get from actual American
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  taxpayers. If Muslims and Islamic countries are funding school programs throughout the US,
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  they're going to have the main say in the curriculum that is taught. So it's like, you know,
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  that's why you look at some of these most well-known universities that have totally watered down
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  sugar-coated Walt Disney versions of Islam that they teach when it has nothing to do with
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  the real Muhammad of history, again, according to tradition, and Islam's primary sources.
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  Interfaith dialogues only happen in non-Islamic countries because there's nothing to gain in
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  Islamic countries. They're already under Islam. So the Islamization takes place in Western
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  countries. Interfaith dialogues take place in Western countries. It's all different tactics
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  to work towards Islamization. You know, people better wake up as the church better wake up and
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  stop being naive about this. We don't have to be fearful or paranoid now because we are still
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  called to share the gospel and to love our neighbors, but not accept their worldview or beliefs
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  into our own society and our schools and culture and everything else. But Tony, thank you for again
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  reminding us of this is an important issue. The gospel has to go forth, but also we need some
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  discernment, your final thoughts in about 45 seconds. I would encourage all Christians out there
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  let your pastors know about our ministry radical truths. RadicalTruth.net is our website,
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  our brand new grace and truth event. The very first one is booked in Pensacola, Florida
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  next month. We just had an inquiry the other day in Illinois. So this I think is going to take off
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  as long as we continue to let churches know about it. It's brand new, but again, this is the most
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  well-rounded gospel-focused event that you can get at your church to equip Christians to reach
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  Muslims with the gospel and to be knowledgeable about the true threat of Islam that people need to know
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  about. Brother, thank you so much, Tony. We really appreciate all you do appreciate you being here
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  again today. Lord willing, we'll do this again. Thank you, David. Friends, God bless you. Thanks for
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  your prayers and your support and always keep speaking the truth about things that matter. See you
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  next time.