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87. Katie Sturino, Body Positivity Advocate & Founder, Megababe · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Well, Hello there, Emily a body here checking in with
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  Speaker 1: episode eighty seven of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to
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  Speaker 1: they've gotten through tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning
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  Speaker 2: All righty, Katie Storreno.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you follow Katie on Instagram it's just her
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  Speaker 1: name at Katie Strno, then you probably already have a
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  Speaker 1: good understanding that this woman is not just hilarious but
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  Speaker 1: a total boss. Sitting down with her for the first
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  Speaker 1: time felt like I was sitting down with an old friend,
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  Speaker 1: and I really appreciated how upfront and honest. The megababe
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  Speaker 1: founder got with me. We talked about her hurdle moment,
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  Speaker 1: a divorce a few years back, which triggered some weight
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  Speaker 1: gain for her. Instead of feeling ashamed or frustrated, she
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  Speaker 1: felt more like herself.
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  Speaker 2: She felt more empowered.
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  Speaker 1: She says to me in today's episode that for so
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  Speaker 1: long she was so worried about a size that she
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  Speaker 1: should be, or a number on a scale, that she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really feeling at home in her body. And when
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  Speaker 1: she sellslebrated herself, she celebrated her size. She truly felt
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  Speaker 1: like she had the opportunity to be the best version
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  Speaker 1: of herself. So we talk all about that journey and
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  Speaker 1: the emotions that come with it. We talk about how
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  Speaker 1: Megababe came to be if we chat about the make
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  Speaker 1: My Size movement that she started on Instagram and her
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  Speaker 1: blog where she essentially challenges big name designers to.
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  Speaker 2: Do just that make her size.
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  Speaker 1: We also talk about her adorable dogs, and we even
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  Speaker 1: hit a little bit on the dating life front, something
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  Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily love to talk about all of us.
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  Speaker 1: I a huge thanks to my friends at Moss for
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  Speaker 1: the recording space, and as always, you guys know the
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  Speaker 1: and one hundred episodes in, but that December twenty seventh
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  Speaker 1: episode with a friend and with that, let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 3: Today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Katie Strino.
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  Speaker 1: She is a body positive activist that sounds so jazzy
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  Speaker 1: and also the founder of Megababe.
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  Speaker 3: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, it's so lovely to have you here.
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  Speaker 1: Like you walked into the studio and you're just a
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  Speaker 1: ray of light in super cozy sweatpants.
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  Speaker 3: That's because I think you look like Megan Markle and
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  Speaker 3: I don't think any I don't think anything could go
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  Speaker 3: wrong after someone says.
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  Speaker 1: That someone told me once that I looked like an
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  Speaker 1: actress that used to be in Smallville, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: recall her name I don't know. Okay, so we're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna roll with Megan Markle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, go with Megan Markle, who also like could have
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  Speaker 3: been on Smallville perfect but she wasn't. But I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I man, she's like kind of a medium
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  Speaker 3: actor and then she just is the queen of everything now.
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  Speaker 2: The queen of everything. Okay, So talk to me a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about what it.
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  Speaker 1: Means to be a body positive activist because just now
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  Speaker 1: when we sat down, I said, what do you describe
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  Speaker 1: yourself as?
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  Speaker 2: And this is what we came up with.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, I have an Instagram account where I promote body
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  Speaker 3: neutrality and helping women through through like their body journey.
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  Speaker 3: And also we look at clothes and we look at
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  Speaker 3: like dog adoption and things in my everyday life. But
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  Speaker 3: that's how it started out. It really is about helping
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  Speaker 3: women find their way, like to accept themselves.
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  Speaker 1: So let's rewind it back a little bit. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: about growing up. Where did you grow up?
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in Wisconsin, in Whitefisher Bay, Wisconsin, which
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  Speaker 3: is right outside of Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 2: Right outside Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and growing up, did you have your fair share
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  Speaker 1: of body image issues? Because I'll let you in on
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  Speaker 1: a little like well known secret. I definitely definitely did.
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  Speaker 3: I did you know? I did. I was five eleven
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  Speaker 3: and just like bigger than everyone else.
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  Speaker 2: You are pretty tall, right, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Just like just bigger. And I think I from a
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  Speaker 3: young age, like I wanted to be the tiny little
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  Speaker 3: girl who was so delicate and dainty, and I was
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  Speaker 3: just always like a full grown adult for the minute
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  Speaker 3: I was poor. So I don't know, it's been such
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  Speaker 3: a journey between like those feelings of wanting to be
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  Speaker 3: smaller and then where I am now. It's it's such
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  Speaker 3: a difference because I think that my entire life was
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  Speaker 3: dominated by this mental conversation about weight and wanting to
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  Speaker 3: you know, why did you eat that? You shouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: gone to You should have gone to the gym, you
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have done this. Like there's just this, especially women,
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  Speaker 3: I feel have this like constant negative ticker in their head.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like I've gone I've transcended that a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, which has which has made all the difference
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  Speaker 3: in like clearing up space just to.
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  Speaker 2: Live, yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean I can only imagine now like feeling
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  Speaker 1: more at peace and taking up this space.
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  Speaker 2: But especially growing up for.
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  Speaker 1: Me in high school, the amount of issues I had
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  Speaker 1: about just like being myself but feeling really uncomfortable in
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  Speaker 1: my own body. I have talked about this on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast before, but I lost seventy pounds in college, and
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  Speaker 1: so I've run the gamut in terms of like where
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  Speaker 1: I could shop, where I couldn't shop, feeling okay in
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  Speaker 1: my body, not feeling okay with my body, being a
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  Speaker 1: smaller human but.
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  Speaker 3: Still like not feeling okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and understanding that just because I went through this
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  Speaker 1: major transformation, if I'm critical of myself, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not appreciative of it.
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  Speaker 2: It just means that I'm human.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Well, Also, I think it's interesting because you lost
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  Speaker 3: seventy pounds. I gained seventy pounds, and I find it
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  Speaker 3: to be like a really interesting journey because you find
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  Speaker 3: out it's not about the number on the scale.
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  Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So talk to me about what you were going through,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of triggered this weight for you.
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  Speaker 3: I got a divorce in well, I've always been gaining weight,
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  Speaker 3: I think my entire life. I was ten years old
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  Speaker 3: at the doctor and they told me I was too
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  Speaker 3: big in there and right, and you're talking to a
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  Speaker 3: little kid like that, and then that's when like diet
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  Speaker 3: culture starts when you're little, and then it just continues
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  Speaker 3: on right, Like I think it's so it's so interesting
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  Speaker 3: because I'll sit down for I'll go home, or i'll
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  Speaker 3: like talk to family, or I'll like be in a
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  Speaker 3: group of women and the topic of weight loss comes
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  Speaker 3: up so quickly. Yeah, and I'm like, what why are
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  Speaker 3: we talking about this? Like do we have anything better
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  Speaker 3: that we can like talk about here? But yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: got a divorce and that triggered probably the biggest weight
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  Speaker 3: gain I had had, which yeah, was like seventy pounds.
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  Speaker 1: Were you leaning into food as a comfort or did
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  Speaker 1: you feel like for me, like, I have always looked
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  Speaker 1: at food as a comfort thing. And that's I think
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  Speaker 1: still where I have some of these issues. I was
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  Speaker 1: actually having a conversation with someone last night and I said,
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  Speaker 1: it's so interesting because I thought of food is comfort,
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  Speaker 1: but then after it, I would still feel so uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: that it's like why did I even view it that way?
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  Speaker 3: I honestly, the weight gain, I have to tell you,
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  Speaker 3: I have no I mean, obviously it's it's math and science.
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  Speaker 3: Like you, you obviously took in more calories than you
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  Speaker 3: put out, But I think I I probably I definitely
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  Speaker 3: know I didn't. Probably I definitely leaned into food, but
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  Speaker 3: not in a way. I guess. I never talked about
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  Speaker 3: how did I gain this weight. I think I stopped exercising.
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  Speaker 3: I was not am I gonna say underweight, but like
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  Speaker 3: I definitely was like pushing the thinnest part for my frame. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: when I started gaining weight, So like I definitely probably
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  Speaker 3: let myself be more of my natural frame weight.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel like at the time when you were
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  Speaker 1: like pushing this thinner frame, did you feel pressure.
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  Speaker 3: To the time in my whole life? Yeah, yes, like
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  Speaker 3: I was, I was like ated twelve, a size twelve,
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  Speaker 3: and that was hard to maintain. Yeah, hard to maintain always,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, Like it just didn't
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  Speaker 3: ever feel like that was like my natural shape. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what were.
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  Speaker 2: You into activity wise at that time, Like what'd you
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  Speaker 2: like to do?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? I mean I was a rower in college, so
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  Speaker 3: I rode I rode crew at Wisconsin, and I played
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  Speaker 3: volleyball in high school and I have always been into
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  Speaker 3: physical fitness activities. I ran a marathon in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and six. Like, I am always into exercise, but I
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  Speaker 3: think in the past, like I think I've had a
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  Speaker 3: hard time getting back into a consistent routine with exercise
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  Speaker 3: right right, that has definitely been something that I've not
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  Speaker 3: been able to do for probably now that I've been
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  Speaker 3: talking about it, probably like ten years. Okay, consistent. So
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  Speaker 3: that comes down to eating. So you're it's like really
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  Speaker 3: going down to like are you like skipping a meal
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and those are the kind of
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  Speaker 3: tricks I was doing with myself.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, So when you get divorced and you're starting
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  Speaker 1: to gain weight, you're actually in this process. People talk
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  Speaker 1: about gaining weight and they're like, oh, but like you
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  Speaker 1: are coming into your own almostly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So talk to me about how that feels.
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  Speaker 3: The weight really wasn't a burden to me, and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even look at it like that because I think
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  Speaker 3: I was gaining so much freedom. It's almost like my
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  Speaker 3: body became secondary. I was just like feeling myself like
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  Speaker 3: I had felt bad for so long, and I was
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  Speaker 3: my quote unquote ideal body weight and size, but I
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  Speaker 3: just I felt awful. And then I started to like
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  Speaker 3: gain this weight because I was I was becoming more
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  Speaker 3: comfortable with myself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you, told Glamour.
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  Speaker 1: I became a slice sixteen, which I still am, and
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  Speaker 1: a surprising thing happened.
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  Speaker 2: I really loved my body.
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  Speaker 1: During my marriage, I spent so much time worrying about everything,
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  Speaker 1: but then the relationship ended and it didn't matter. My
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  Speaker 1: fear of having something to lose was gone, and I
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  Speaker 1: kind of said, efit, I was gonna wear jeans shorts
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  Speaker 1: if I wanted to and embrace my body.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly it. Yeah, the thing I said it better
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  Speaker 3: than I can right now, but.
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  Speaker 2: Always is like that in the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I really I feel like I truly was
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  Speaker 3: so uncomfortable and I was always doubting myself and covering up.
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  Speaker 3: And it was the same thing I was basically back
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  Speaker 3: in third grade. I was inundated with like tiny girls
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  Speaker 3: who I felt insecure around, and like, now that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: bother me anymore, but at the time it used to
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  Speaker 3: just shred me.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, so you're like giving back to yourself by
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  Speaker 1: being okay with gaining weight, But what else are you
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  Speaker 1: doing during this time to kind of give back to
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  Speaker 1: you because emotionally, I'm sure, like it's so difficult.
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  Speaker 3: I'm definitely in therapy, Like twice a week, I did
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  Speaker 3: a lot of like who are you? And like what
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  Speaker 3: do you want here? Because I think I had spent
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  Speaker 3: so long setting up this house of cards, if that's
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  Speaker 3: the right term, where I just I was every day
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  Speaker 3: like being so careful and egg shelley to make sure that,
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  Speaker 3: like my life didn't fall apart. And then when it
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  Speaker 3: fell apart, I was like, Okay, well, I guess that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't work. Let's find out like what's really there, Like
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  Speaker 3: what do you really want? What do you really want
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  Speaker 3: to do here? And like what's holding you back? Because
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  Speaker 3: the things that you were being held back by are gone,
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  Speaker 3: and like you can crumble and you can shut it down.
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  Speaker 3: And my my friend looked at me like six months
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  Speaker 3: out and she was like, she was like, I'm really
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  Speaker 3: proud of you. Like you could have just packed it up,
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  Speaker 3: head back to Milwaukee and just like started over, and
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  Speaker 3: you were like, no, I'll start over in a different way.
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  Speaker 2: So give me a timeline. When is this happenings.
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  Speaker 3: Happened about three and a half years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Okay three and a half years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, it'll be I think it's three years in January. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so it feels like ten years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Like another life's time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like essentially, after something like this happens,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, after a big traumatic event happens,
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  Speaker 1: it's like you have the opportunity almost to be reborn. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you get to choose whether you're going to live
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  Speaker 1: in the past or accept what has happened, take that
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  Speaker 1: and move forward and do what you can with what
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  Speaker 1: you have. Getting to that point though, is really damn hard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: where you're like all right, like I'm gonna accept my
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  Speaker 1: circumstances and do the best I can with what I have.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly it is. You can make a choice
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  Speaker 3: and you can just like lay down. And that was
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  Speaker 3: another thing, Like when I found out I was getting divorced,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't fight it. I just was like, Okay, like
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  Speaker 3: this is happening, let's do it. Because and I think
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  Speaker 3: I witnessed from a lot of people and everyone has
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  Speaker 3: their own journey, but when a relationship ends, I think
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  Speaker 3: people can spend a year or five fighting it and
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  Speaker 3: just being like what happened, Like this would happened, And
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  Speaker 3: I think I just I just started to move on
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  Speaker 3: right away, and that was the choice that I consciously made.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, we are this is.
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  Speaker 1: Done right, Yeah, what are you doing in your career
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  Speaker 1: at this point?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just starting to focus more on the twelveish style,
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  Speaker 3: which was my blog. I had not started megababe, and
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  Speaker 3: I was still doing dog stuff because my dog Toast.
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  Speaker 3: Her instagram was Toast meets World, and I would say
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  Speaker 3: I did like half my time doing dog stuff and
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  Speaker 3: half my time doing the blog.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's dive into both of these things a
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  Speaker 1: little bit first. I mean I have to dive into
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  Speaker 1: Toast first. For the people who don't know Toast, talk
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  Speaker 1: to me about time. She was very famous. She got
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  Speaker 1: married on Real Housewives of New York, she wrote a
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  Speaker 1: book called Toast Hampton, and she passed away about it'll
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  Speaker 1: be two years ago this month. The dog like legacy
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  Speaker 1: that she left is pretty major. We still in the account.
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  Speaker 1: I still have three dogs, Muppet, Cheese, and Crumb. They're
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  Speaker 1: all rescues. We talked about puppy Mill rescue all the
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: time and why you shouldn't buy a dog from a
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: pet store. You can go to the account and find
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: out about it if you have any questions.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like the dog thing was really special and
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: brought out my inner Chris Jenner, I'm very much like
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: a very intense doggager.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Doggager.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, I just had to take We were doing a
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: project for Petco and I just was taking some photos
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: outside and someone was like standing next to me taking
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: photos of the dog, and I'm like, excuse me, can
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you move? Can you please move?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Also, Toast was well known for toasts tongue.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, her tongue. She had no teeth.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Was that a credential in finding your new dogs?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: No, it's just male dogs, puppy mal dogs often have
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: like bad teeth so they're rotted out and so their
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: tongue sticks out. But yeah, we just celebrated Cheese's birthday yesterday.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: These names though, yeah, like what's the.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know underpants. She was our Japanese chin. She
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: passed away, And it's hard sometimes when you rest, you
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: seen your dogs or older dogs are not with you
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: as long. But like it doesn't mean the life that
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: they're that they have with you is not special and amazing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: So we've had to say go back to three of
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: them in the past couple of years.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: All right, well, then bring me now to the twelve
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: ish style.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I started the again. I started this Instagram because I
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: was on a shoot with Toast at Nars with Man Repeller.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I know Toast really very cool life. So she was
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: doing a Nars shoot and the Man Repeller girls were like, hey,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you have good style, like we should feature you how
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: to dress like Kirby body Style. And I was likema, like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: no one ever talks about me. So I was like, yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I'd love to do that. And we did this shoot
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and then I read the comments afterwards and I was like, wow,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: like people are really celebrating seeing a body that they
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: can identify with on the Internet. And I took a
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: look round and I didn't see anyone who was like
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: representing fashion in a way I would, and I decided
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: to start. So I really started out targeting women who
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: kind of were in this size purgatory where they didn't
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: really identify with plus, they didn't identify with straight. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: things have changed so much from when I started to now,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: just like even the way I talk to women, I'm
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: not talking to a specific size anymore. I'm just trying
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: to talk about size inclusion. I'm talking to women who
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: feel like they've been left out of the fashion game,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: and I'm talking to women of all sizes about body acceptance.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Was it hard at first to see yourself on the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: other side of the campra awkward?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you're like, first of all, who wants
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: to see this? Like who cares? I really had. That
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: was my biggest up, I said it. This was my
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: biggest hurdle was that I had to get over the
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: fact that, like I was putting myself out there for
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: people to judge.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And you were just doing it because you wanted to,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: not necessarily because of any feedback that you would get.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Although I can totally relate to your sentiment about seeing
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the comments and seeing that it has the you have
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to impact people in a positive way.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, And that was a really that was a big
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: deal because I was like, yeah, I also would like
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: to see some people who are like a size twelve
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and above featured places, right, yeah, so, and I was like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: so why not me? But it really was. It took
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: me about a year to get comfortable even like just
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: taking like selfies and like everything, Like I was like
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: this is so douchey, like I just had I had
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: to get over it. Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I remember, like in college when I look at photos
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of myself when I wasn't personally happy regardless of my size.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I looked at photos and they were just like selviies
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: of my face because I was frightened to show the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: world like my body.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, I talked to women a lot actually about that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: On their dating profiles really, or on their not just
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: their dating profiles, but their social media profiles. You can
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: tell someone is uncomfortable with their body because they're never
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: showing it. They're showing the tightest face shot you can imagine.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: And then like pet photos, home photos, food photos, but
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: like they're like, I'm still struggling with my body confidence
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, girl, I can see it right there.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: You won't show me your body, You're hiding it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm sure. I mean fast forward today.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: The amount of people that you interact with on so
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: many levels about all of these issues and these insecurities,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: it must.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Be it's a lot. And I do I answer. I
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: try to answer all my dms, and that's where I
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: get a lot of my most meaningful and impactful messages
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I'm sure this is true for you too. Yeah, and
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: you just you realize that you have the ability to
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: make a difference in someone's day. You're like whatever it
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: is feeling about themselves, like inspiration can come from anywhere,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: and to think that we can't be helpful on someone's
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: life journey is something that I had to get over
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: because we have the ability to do that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So when does the twelve ish style grow from just
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: kind of like you taking a few photos to really
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: gaining a following.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I think that that was it. Really again, it took
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: about a year and after I think I got comfortable
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: with myself I started talking because there was a different
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: from like, hey, you can like here's some clothing hacks
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: and how to get dressed, and here's like here I
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: am and like Jeene shorts. There's a difference between that
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and really understanding that, like there is no destination with
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: size and that like opening the conversation up to women
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: and being like, girl, this is not like this is
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: never gonna end, right, Like you keep going and going
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: and you'll be a zero and you're still looking in
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the mirror and being like I hate myself.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not the goal here no, so more
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and more people are following and it's growing.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: It's growing. I'm having a really good time, and then
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, I can't find a thigh chaf stick
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: that I like. There's nothing on the market that is
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: for women. There's nothing. And every time I talked about
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: thigh chaf on my stories or on my feed, it
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: was one of the most engaged things. So I was like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I definitely there's definitely people out there that have it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I'm just unclear why I'm looking at D's nuts for
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: her and there's nothing out there, like that's just a
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: product for ladies.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Have I never heard of that product?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: These nuts for her? Because why would you? Why would
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: any why why would you make that product? So I
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: was I was talking to my sister and I was like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: you know what, I don't know how to do this.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I've never made anything in my life, but I want
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to look into making my own thigh chaf stick. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: she was like I'm in and then I and then
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I talked to my best friend out in San Francisco
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: and I was like, we're going to do this, Like
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: do you want to do this with us? And she
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: was like yeah, I do. So while we were solving
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: thigh chaf we figured maybe we should develop a second
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: product to help tackle another issue. So I took on
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: boob Sweat, which is the name of my podcast, And
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: so we made a bust dust, which is a telch free,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: hands free powder for boob sweat, and they sold out.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: We launched it. We had no idea what was going on.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: We didn't know how to buy the quantities. We just
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: like directing consumer, put it up on the website, put
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: it up on my Instagram, and we sold thousands and
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of units in a month.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Did was the testing for that? Like insane testing? Yeah?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, how many varieties of boob sweat power
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: did we follow through a lot?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: We went through a lot before we were like this
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is yes.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're fussy ducks. So it's like, scent is really important.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Can't be too strong, can't be gross, can't give you
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: a headache? Like right, it's and the performance with our
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: thigh rescue is the best. It's the best I'll put
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: our thigh Rescue. Fine, you don't want to use our deodorant,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: you don't want to use boob sweat, I mean buzz
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: das fine, but if you have thigh chafe, it is.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: It is the best thigh chaf stick on the market.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I actually wrote about Rosie Pits for Cosmo like a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: year Yes you did, Yes, And it's just like I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: remember and spoiler, Rosie Pits is the deodorant that's in
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the Megababe line.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And I remember that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I was sitting at a bar once and I was like, Wow,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it's smell so nice in here, and then I realized
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that it is literally me armpits. Yeah, it's fine.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: It just literally smells like ros today.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Literally I was like, did I put yodor onund? But
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think it did, because I don't smell the
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Rosy pits. I just smelled my armpit for the people
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: at home.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hope you enjoying it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Are you still using Rosie Pits?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I definitely have it in the rotation.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: What else are you using?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Probably like a secret.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Oh you go back to aluminum?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not like a strict all natural fiend, but I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: go back and forth. I think it's like literally like
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: which one is in closer reach at the time?
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Got it? Got it?
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Doing some market research?
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm really happy to hear though that it's
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: still in the rotation.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But I mean, that's kind of crazy to think that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you made this product to solve a personal issue and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's literally selling out everywhere.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really crazy, and it was like unexpected
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and expected all at the same time. Like I was like, yeah, duh,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: everyone's got thy shaped, But also I was like, what
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: people have thigh chafe? And then it went into like
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: why doesn't anyone talk about thy chafe? And then talking
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: to the media about it, and how it still is
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: very much something that people whisper about it. Like I'll
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: be walking down the sidewalk and someone will like stop
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: me on the big thank you so much I have,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, it's okay. So I think it's
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: it's that messaging around your thighs rub. That's a pretty normal,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: average issue that we deal with that we don't address
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: in the beauty industry, and in fact, what we're pushed
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: towards in the fashion and beauty space is a thigh gap.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And if you don't have a thigh gap, then something's
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: wrong with you, And therefore a thigh chafe means like
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: something's really.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Wrong, right, right, yeah, but it's not. It was part
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: of life, just part of life. It's so interesting to me.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I mean the tenacity that you have to have to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: admit and be very well like be very well versed
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that I know absolutely nothing about how to do this
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: thing that I want to do, but I'm just gonna
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: go do it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, I don't. I we had never made a product
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and that means my parents fulfilled the orders for two years.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: So we're only we were just turning three. We're not
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: three yet. But but this summer we moved to a
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: fulfillment center. But we took everyone out of retirement and
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: we put them to work and they were shipping all
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the orders. Big Alta trucks were backing up into my parents'
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: driveway and like they were like meeting with the delivery guys.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Like it was very very home It is still homegrown.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Like it's just it's still is just the four of
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: us and it's a lot of work. Wow, it's yeah,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: because we're in every target now, every Alta.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And how do you manage that? Well, now you have
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a fulfillment center. But it was like found a tender
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: for ship for shipments. But but we were we were
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: shipping target and Alto out of the garage up until
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: up until June.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Bless them.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean talk about a supportive foundation though, yes,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: like literally your parents.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I know they yeah, they really they took it on.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I think that they were excited to be involved in
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: something that's to be big and growing and that was
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: like working right.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, all right.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So something we haven't really talked much about yet is, yes,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: you are like supportive of women at all sizes, whatever
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that might be. But you're also doing something on your
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: social media that a lot of people are really drawn to,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: which is the Make My Size movement. Yes, so let's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: talk about the Make my Size movement.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Make my Size is basically it was just born
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: out of frustration for me shopping because, as you have
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: heard in this podcast, I gained weight and that means
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: that I couldn't shop at certain stores anymore or with
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: certain designers anymore. And if I thought it was hard
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: to find clothes at a twelve fourteen, at a sixteen
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: eighteen twenty girl, you cannot find anything. So I I
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: was pissed. I'm like, I had an order from Netaporte,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: which I never know how to say.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's right, Okay, what do you think, Like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: what's the other porter that's like such an americanized version
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: It's Netaporte.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I support it, Yeah, thank you.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: So I had an order from them, and I was
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: thinking that the third there was a third delivery that
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I had gotten from them where nothing was going to
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: fit again. And I had ordered all like the double
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: x's and like the size fifties and the biggest size
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: that they were making. And it's so funny because brands
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: will look at my Instagram and they'll be like, we
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: can dress you, let's send you stuff, and I'm like,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I'll go to their website and they stop at at
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: fourteen and I'm like, you don't, I can't fit into
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: your clothes and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So what I did is I
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: took a photo and I posted so the brand. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: think the first thing I at, the first one I
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: called that was DVF. I said, this is this is
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: like a beautiful skirt. I'd love to wear it, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: this is how far away it is from fitting me.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And I think I do make my size because I
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: want to alert brands that a they're missing out on
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: an audience. Be the big sizes that everyone who's sitting
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: in the boardroom, who's like making decisions, those sizes that
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: they think are like we're servicing the community, they're not.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And I want to it in a positive way so
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: that people aren't turned off and they're not. I'm not
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: like this sucks, like boycott them. No, I don't want
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: you to boycott them. I just want this brand to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: know that, like people want to shop them?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Right what happens after that first post, because I almost
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: feel as though kind of putting that up would be
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit scary.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: To be honest, you don't want to burn any bridges.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: You don't want anyone to be a man again.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You're talking that you want to just you know, put
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: some awareness into the world.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is exactly it. As a quote unquote fashion blogger,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you do not call out brands unless you want to
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: be known as like a like the call out queen
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: or like an angry blogger. So basically it was it
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: was very scary, and I was like, our brand's gonna
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: not want to work with me, like this is this
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: is I don't know, it was like career suicide. But
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: then uh, the response from the audience again, like it
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: was the intention behind it. The intention wasn't to shame
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: the brand and to like disgrace them the attention, the
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: intention is to bring awareness, and the people felt that
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: they felt seen for every woman who's gone into Club
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Monaco and like not been able to put anything on, Like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: that's that's who I'm doing this for.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Right, So what happens on the brand side, Well, DVF
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: is a great example.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: They launched a capsule collection of rap dresses with eleven
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Hona Ray this fall. So I mean we're talking, we're
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: talking a year later, right, that's amazing, right, Like for
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: that kind of turnaround, you've got brands like Veronica Beard
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: who like they listen, they heard, and they are killing it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Tanya Taylor, I never didn't make my size on her.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: She just like felt passionate about making extended sizes. Like
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: she's making beautiful clothes that women of all sizes can
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: wear and it's getting noticed.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Also, the thing that can be a bit of a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: struggle is then like sometimes the price increasing for bigger
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: sizes of clothing.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never understood that. I didn't even know it
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: was a real thing. And then actually, my friend Ryan
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: who does he has a blog called Extra Extra Style.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: He just posted a Ralph lawrencewater that was like fifty
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: bucks more in the bigger sizes. I just I didn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: think that was a real thing. Yeah, I'm sorry if
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: that sounds dumb, but like I really dumb. I really
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: didn't think that that was something brands were doing. Like, really,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: you're going to charge for the extra fabric, then why
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: wouldn't you charge less for a double.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Zero a double zero?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It sounds like the brands are getting on board with
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I'm sure you're still probably getting
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: some of those emails from brands that want to dress
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you but the clothing doesn't fit.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you like? I work with that in
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: your head.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I try to be really polite and I'm just like
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: and I just let them know, like I'm like, hey, Mike,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: like collection looks great. Unfortunately, like I wear size eighteen
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: twenty and you stop at a sixteen, right, or like
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: shoes ivo size twelve foot all the time people are like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: our shoes are so generously, like they're they're big, Like
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: we go up to a forty two, which is enough
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: of forty two is a ten. I mean everyone so
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I but all the time I'm having to be like no, yeah, no,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: that's not it. But I think politely letting them know
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: is much more impactful than like a deep shame.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine how freeing this feels for you,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to just be so completely yourself.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Now. I am very free, maybe too free, as you mentioned,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I'm wearing fancy sweatpants right now. Like I just I
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: get to be I get to be me all the time,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and that is really I don't know how to describe that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I wish that for everyone, right yeah, Like I just
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: want I feel so good that I'm able to do that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And did you see that the way that you felt
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: about yourself kind of opened you up to possibilities?
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, because that's all that's I mean, that's Gabby
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Bernstein super attractor kind of stuff, right, Like You're just
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: you're constantly feeling this positive energy about yourself. You're attracting
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: positive things, which attracts more positive things. It's just, it's
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: it's it's just it's available to everyone, but we often
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: get in our own way. Now, if I'm if I'm
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: another person, if I'm a different person. I'm walking in
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: here and I'm like, oh no, I had to shoot
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: this like fancy sweatsuit this morning, and I didn't change,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and now I look dumpy and now I look this
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: and like, there's this conversation that you could have, But
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: what is the.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Point right of that? Right?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Cute as hell?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like kind of like when someone compliments your
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Target sweater and you feel like you need to be like,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: oh my god, thinks it's from Target. But someone once
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: said to me, and I remember it was about an
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: item from Target, and I said, oh my god, thinks
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it's from Target, because you.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Kind of like want to let them know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but she was like, next time, just saying
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: just try saying thank you, and then they're gonna be like, wow,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: what a jet look at this. Yeah, not to disstart
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that sweaters. I mean, there's great things, but I'm just saying, yeah,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like the same vibe. And I mean,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: obviously in your personal life this opened you up to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: a whole new world with your now husband.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think dating was really scary after I got
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: a divorce because I had not like I had been
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: with my ex husband for ten years, so I hadn't
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: ever done like dating apps, and I was really scared.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, wait, this is awesome. I
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: can date from my couch because like, I don't go
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: to the bars, like I don't go to the club,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: so I like didn't know how or where I was
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: going to meet people. And then I just I found dat.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I found dating apps to be very fun, frustrating at times,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: scary at times, but also like just so much easier
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: to swipe while you're watching TV.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: What's our go to dating app?
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: It was it was Bumball.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is just what it's like to date in
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: New York. This is it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I have to give you a big secret here. It's day.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: It's Manhattan dating. Oh it's probably Brooklyn.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Are you telling me I should go to Brooklyn?
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I think you should go. This is not twenty two
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: year old me would be like, shut up, but I'm
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: being serious. I think it's all about like it's about
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: smaller cities, it's about outer borough. It's about like it's
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you gotta get out of Manhattan.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But that's why I've leaned off of the apps, because
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I would rather like put my phone in my pocket,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: take my AirPods out, and like be really freaking present
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: when I'm walking around and like try to make.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: You can you can make you can make actually connections.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I'm an IRL connection.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I'm really working on an IRL connect.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Have you met anyone IRL?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Oh we're gonna have to talk about this off the pod, Okay,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I'll have to talk about this all.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I just want want to know that, Like when I
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: was single, I was it was like I was open
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: because it's all about the vibe you're putting off, right,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Like you can meet people anywhere.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Oh it's true.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean they're good or cool or they're
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: going to stick around. But you can meet people anywhere.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Oh you totally. I mean I will not.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I cannot count how many times people have tried just
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to like come into the dms, but like maybe one
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: out of one hundred men that have ever done this,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like was someone that I would.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Actually want to entertain. You'll meet in the DM Oh yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: it's the new dating app. It's true, it's true. Okay,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: So what in your life right now really excites you?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I would say, what excites me in my life right now? Megababe?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Every day?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: How many products do we have going on Megababy?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: We have eleven products right now, and there's men's product too.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we launched two men's We launched like a dray Guy,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: which is a ballpowder. We did a friction fighter for
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: for men for chafe.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: What was the original men's product that you were like,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: f this? What do you mean when you were like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want to use this nuts for her? Oh
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: well take that nuts for her?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Nos like and and I would say megababe. And I
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: love my husband a lot, even though that's not like
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: a professional pursuit. I'm just excited. Yeah, I really I
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: love him and m I don't know. Talking to ladies
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: in the DMS, it's exciting. Yeah, it's exciting. Everything's exciting.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's been any single interaction over
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the last like year or two that has literally just
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: blown you out of the water.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I would say I've been. I've I have a follower
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: who is in her fifties and she lives in Australia
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: and she's making like a total life change move. She's
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: moving to the States. Uh. And she credited me with
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: like the past basically four years of like everything transformation,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: body acceptance, life acceptance, Like she's starting her life over
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: and it was amazing to hear that I had any impact.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: On that blows it. It's mind blowing. I had.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, as I mentioned, really struggled with my
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: size and body acceptance when I was in high school
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and young in college. And and I have girls that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: are in high school that reach out to me and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: tell me that like I'm helping them understand like what they.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Are capable of. It literally, like nothing means more to
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: me in the world. Can I ask you?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do it.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So, how how do you deal with like weight conversations?
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: So if if if a seventeen year old reaches out
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to you and is like, I'm like, I feel fat,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I feel this, I feel that, how do you do
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: you address weight? Or how do you how do you
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: address that?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: So I think that the first question I ask is like,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: how do you feel? Like, how do you feel in
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: your life? Are you happy? Are you unhappy? Are there
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: other things that are going on that contribute to this,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: because obviously when you're a teenager, there's a ton of
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: things that are going on that are contributing to this,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: especially now, like I'm so grateful and I'm sure you
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: are too, that we grew up when we did and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that social media was just not a thing because I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: cannot imagine like.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Bullying and dealing with that.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but so many of the young women that reach
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: out to me like really do deal with bullying on
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: like a regular basis. So when it comes to like
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: them struggling with their weight, it's not a topic that
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I get a lot from them. It's more just about
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: like self confidence, which is definitely something that I feel
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: like we can speak on together. But if it is
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: like a weight issue, it's just like I kind of
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: bring it back to my personal experience when I was
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: losing weight and why I was doing in it. For me,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: it was never about like I want to lose seventy pounds.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It was about, like what can I do right now
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: in my life that's going to make me happier? And
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: for me like to be happier. I knew, like all right,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like I like banana chocolate chip ice cream, but like
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: eating it every day actually isn't making me happy at all.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It's making me feel really awful about myself and like
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: identifying the small things that I could change. Like one
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of the young girls that reached out to me, she
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: was telling me that she was so worried about what
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: other people would think about her auditioning for the cross
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: or going out for the cross country team, that she
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't doing it, and she realized, like maybe I should
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: just like give it a whirl this year. And I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: was just like, oh my God, like my hurt for you,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Like I'm so I'm just so honored that like what
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I have been through and me being authentic and me
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: being open with you about what I've been through out
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: by none of it being perfect whatsoever, like that my
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: true story can help you just get through anything.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: God am I lucky to have that opportunity. Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: So, I mean when it comes to like weight and
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: young girls, like there's never probably like a right way
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to tackle it. I weight cycled my entire adolescence. There
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: were times when I was sixteen and thin and teaching
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: like hip hop dance at a summer camp. And then
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: there's like me at eighteen, and I remember like a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: photo of me in a mini golf course and like
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: a size eighteen gene from American Eagle, when like they
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: once made a size eighteen. So I like, I've been
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: all over the place and there's no like easy way
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to talk to young women about weight loss. But I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: think the best way and the most responsible way we
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: can do it, let's talk about how you feel and like,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: what are some actionable like smart things that you can
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: do that are and helpful and can make you feel better? Like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's really important. Oh, thanks for coming to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: my TED talk. Okay, so we're winding down here. People
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: come to your Instagram page all the time and they
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: see you living this like fabulous life. But when you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: look in the mirror now, after everything that you've been through, Like.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: What is it that you see looking back at you?
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I see someone who's really happy.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I do beyond just this like feeling of happiness. Do
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you feel confident? Do you feel secure? Where are you
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: at with that?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I feel if they're sure, there are
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: things I feel insecure about every day, but it's not
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: my body. Yeah, And that's like a different plane to be.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: On when it comes to the next few months, the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: next year, Like what are the big things that are
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: coming down the pipe for you that you that you'll
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: let us into.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I have I've got a couple more
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: collections coming out with stitch Fix and they're really effing cute.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about that. What's Almo a stitch Fix?
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I have a line with stitch Fix. We did we
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: just released the fall line and we did something really
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: cool this past summer. And I don't know, they're just
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: their clothes that I want to wear that I can't
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: really find still. So like I made like red riding
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: pants and that's something that I love, but like, they
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: don't make those really in my size. So I love
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: working with stitch Fix. And then Megababe's got new products
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: coming out summer twenty twenty. We are just we're we're
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: gonna spend money on marketing, which is the first which
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: we've never done before. So that's exciting. And I don't know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: everything's exciting. I got to make a twenty twenty plan.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: It sounds like, let's do it, man.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: We're going to storyboard for that when we're done.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: After we talk about my dating life, what would you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: say is one piece of advice that you would give
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to someone who's struggling to accept themselves as a size
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that they are.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I would say, so accepting the size that you are,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's like looking at your whole journey as
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: like as like whole thing. So are you always just
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: up and down ten pounds and you're you are always
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: struggling to get that ten pounds off. Let's just settle
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: into the ten pounds and forget that, forget it, Let's
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: live life and just like nothing better happens to you
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: when the ten pounds are gone, right, Like you don't
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: get the job like that you that you want, or
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: like the guy doesn't show up because you're ten pounds in.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: These are just like this imaginary weight struggle. And once
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: you release that, you have so much more brain space
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: to focus on things that make you happy.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I also have to ask you because I feel like
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it's a really important conversation now in this era of
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: body of positivity, is also the conversation of like being
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: healthy and being body positive. I'm writing an essay for
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: a website about this for January, and I think obviously
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: there is a difference between like being healthy and being
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of a certain size and being unhealthy and like being
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: okay with it. Sure, that's something that people probably come
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to you with.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Actually, it's interesting because health we look at health and
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: we apply health to thin people only, right, we say
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: you look at you look at a girl who is
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: a size zero and doesn't eat food and smokes, and
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: you're like, Wow, she's thriving. So it's we have a
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: really preconceived notion of what health is myself right now.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Like I know that I'm not as healthy healthy as
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I could be. And that's not like I don't look
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: at the number on the scale and think that even
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: though sure you could take an indicator from that, but
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: it's more like, I know I'm not working out. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: know I'm like not eating my like all the greens.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I can't like you know what I mean, Like, I
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: know I'm not in that zone. Yeah, and that is
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: that is a different conversation to me than I need
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: to be in this gene size. I'm not comfortable on
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the beach. I'm going to the beach later this week,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: and guess what, I'm gonna feel fucking great in my
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: swimsuit at the current size I am to day. Does
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: that mean I can't like tune up my health? Yeah, no,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I need to tune up my health.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And that's for that's that's not for gene size, that's
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: for like life.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: We're in an era right now. Where everyone is open
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to more so than maybe ever before, like accepting and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: like seeing and like getting used to seeing bodies of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: all sizes and that's so wonderful. But so many people
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: are just so critical of this idea that like okay,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: but like is she healthy at this size?
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: We don't fucking know. We don't fucking know, that's the thing,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Like you don't know what she's doing, and like I
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: feel like I when I when when articles about me
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: go quote unquote viral, you there are comments about me.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I mean you would think that, like I have three eyes.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: People can't believe how big I am, and I'm like,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: what is this? People are insane? It's it's what we're
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: used to seeing in the media, and as soon as
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: anything varies from that, still we are very critical, especially women,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: very critical to like judge that lady, but we don't
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: know anything about her.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And you mentioned the comments, So how have you managed
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to handle that? As your social media following has exploit in.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: So mean comments and trolls, They're not really on my page,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Like it's they just don't come to my page. I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: a ninety five percent female following, Like I just am
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: not I'm not there for for dudes, and like, I
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: don't ladies who want to say bad stuff about me,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: they just don't. When something goes on like a forum
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: like Yahoo or the Daily Mail or something like that,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that's when the comments come. Because you've got the strangers
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: who don't know who you are. They don't know, they
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: don't like they're not with you on your journey. They're
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: just like who is this? And and based on that alone,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the fact that like they can come and just like
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: shit on this body positive self acceptance, like love yourself
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: message is says so much about them and nothing about me.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: So I don't take I don't take that stuff personally.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Last, but certainly not least.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You have an opportunity right now to offer the katie
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: who is post divorce going through this huge hurdle moment
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: of like learning to love herself and embrace your body
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and like just feel good about who you are. You
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: have an opportunity right now to give that katie one
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: piece of advice. What is it that you tell her?
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: If I had to give myself three four years ago
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: one piece of advice, it would be that everything's going
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: to pass, Everything is going to get better if you
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: let it. And you do the work and there's no
• 48:30
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