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Parents distraught as their teen Ebby Steppach found yards away from where car was found in 3 years ago! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one thirty too. A major break in the
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  Speaker 1: case in the search for a beautiful young teen girl,
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  Speaker 1: Ebbie Stepic. What this family has been through is tortuous.
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  Speaker 1: Now is it finally over? I Nancy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. I remember
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  Speaker 1: the day Ebbie went missing. Guys joining me shortly will
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  Speaker 1: be Ebby's mother MS. Journegan but right now with me
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University, renowned psychologists out of Manhattan, doctor Patricia Saunders,
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  Speaker 1: and Alan Duke joining me from l A. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning, Alan, exactly when did Ebbie go missing?
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  Speaker 1: Ebbie Jane Stepack was eighteen, disappearing October and this was
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  Speaker 1: a day after she told her mother she had been
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  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted at a high school party. And she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: seen since that day, no sign of her. Alan, that
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  Speaker 1: cannot be a coincidence in my mind, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think she tells her mom she gets assaulted, sexually assaulted
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  Speaker 1: at a high school party. The next day she goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about the clues left behind? Alan?
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  Speaker 1: The one thing they found her car. They found it
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  Speaker 1: in a park in Little Rock. It was a little Volkswagen, Ryan, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was registered to her dad, but it was the
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  Speaker 1: car she used. Also, her cell phone was peemed in
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  Speaker 1: the park, So that was a big clue and you
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  Speaker 1: would think that that would be the thing that would
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  Speaker 1: lead them to this child. Well, in the last hours
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  Speaker 1: and major break in the case, Alan, what happened. They
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  Speaker 1: found her near the car, near where the car was.
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  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait wait wait, she goes missing in
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  Speaker 1: her car in two thousand fifteen, they find her car,
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  Speaker 1: and now her remains are found beside the car. How
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  Speaker 1: can that be? Two years have passed. Yeah, you would
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  Speaker 1: think that they would have found this, this, this young lady.
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  Speaker 1: She was in a drain pipe and Nancy Little Rock
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  Speaker 1: police have just announced the results are back from the
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  Speaker 1: Arkansas State Crime Lab confirming that it is Ebby. It's
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  Speaker 1: remarkable to realize the drain pipe where her skeletal remains
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  Speaker 1: were found was just yards away from where Ebby's car
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  Speaker 1: was found three years ago and where friends and family
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  Speaker 1: erected a memorial for her. Oh oh, the thought of
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  Speaker 1: that that Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: We're right now that although no formal idea has been made,
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  Speaker 1: we believe remains found in the West Little Rock Park
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  Speaker 1: are eavy steppic. Now. Her car was located shortly after
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  Speaker 1: she goes missing in that same park, the missing teen girl,
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  Speaker 1: but her remains were in an underground pipe. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: public works crew have dug up more of the pipe
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  Speaker 1: searching for evidence. It's an underground drain pipe at Shelamont
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  Speaker 1: Park and that's just south of Joe T. Robinson School
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  Speaker 1: on the western end of the neighborhood. She was reporting
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  Speaker 1: reported missing October. Her Volkswagen found a few days later
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  Speaker 1: in that park. The park has been searched many times
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  Speaker 1: since her disappearance. Nobody can explain how the body wasn't found.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, it seems to me if the police have
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  Speaker 1: brought in cade ever dogs, they would have found her,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's an underground drain pipe. Yeah, can ever
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  Speaker 1: dogs live to go down in spaces like that. It's
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  Speaker 1: obvious that this probably did not occur. This is a
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  Speaker 1: very uh confined area and it's something in my experience
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  Speaker 1: that the normal person would not want to egress through.
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  Speaker 1: Let me paint the picture for you. In this pipe itself,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna have a big thick base of silt that's
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  Speaker 1: sitting down there. Her body, if this is her, has
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  Speaker 1: been down there, and we're three years down range at
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  Speaker 1: this point, Nancy, So anything that's contained in that pipe
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  Speaker 1: is going to be skeletonized, so they have to be
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  Speaker 1: very very careful. One report that I'm seeing is that
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  Speaker 1: they're literally digging the pipe up, extra extricating it from
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  Speaker 1: the ground. They're gonna put it on top of the ground.
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  Speaker 1: And it would not actually surprise me to see them
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  Speaker 1: take this thing out in sections and take it to
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  Speaker 1: the crime lab. But you never know. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how they'll be doing this in Arkansas. That's the way
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  Speaker 1: I would handle the case to keep it containing. It's
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  Speaker 1: just making me just sick to my stomach because the
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  Speaker 1: parents have long say they had to beg beg police
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  Speaker 1: to convince law enforcement that Ebby was taken against her will.
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  Speaker 1: She had never run away, she had never gone missing.
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  Speaker 1: She was an honored student, just scrubbed in sunshine. Ebby
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  Speaker 1: disappears just after telling her parents she was sexually assaulted
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  Speaker 1: at a high school party. Then all this time later,
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  Speaker 1: she hasn't been found. But right now a break in
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  Speaker 1: the case of Ebby steppic Now, according to her parents,
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  Speaker 1: police delayed interviewing witnesses, starting to search for her, or
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  Speaker 1: even getting some Walmart and footage that may show what
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  Speaker 1: their daughter was doing in the hours just before she
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  Speaker 1: goes missing. Now what else do we know? We know
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  Speaker 1: A few days after Ebby's disappearance, cops told the mom
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  Speaker 1: Ebby's cell phone was last used in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the woods, and the officers refused to search the area.
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  Speaker 1: So the mommy Lori Jernigan, goes out in the woods
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  Speaker 1: herself to look for her daughter. And then after all that,
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  Speaker 1: with the mom out in the woods calling exhaustively into
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  Speaker 1: the night for her daughter, can you imagine, then cops
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  Speaker 1: tell her they had entered the wrong phone number. That's
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit of what the parents have gone
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  Speaker 1: through right now, and psychologist Dr Patricia Saunders joining us
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  Speaker 1: from New York. Dr Patricia the visual the middle image
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  Speaker 1: of them holding the memorial, the candlelight vigils where her
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  Speaker 1: car was parked, and now they know that a few
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  Speaker 1: feet under them is their daughter's body or was she
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  Speaker 1: even possibly still live with them standing over her. Patricia's
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  Speaker 1: double trauma. In any event, First the daughter goes missing
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  Speaker 1: after telling her parents that she was sexually assaulted um
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  Speaker 1: and then the police, the people who were supposed to
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  Speaker 1: out parents families were a missing eighteen year old, don't
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  Speaker 1: forks to do very much and in hindsight, for them
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  Speaker 1: to realize that they were standing right on top of
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  Speaker 1: a daughter who might have been said, is the worst
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  Speaker 1: night there for a parent. I mean, I could hardly
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  Speaker 1: take it in. Um. In the last hours, we find
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  Speaker 1: out that human remains have been found in an underground
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  Speaker 1: drain pipe. Joseph got Morgan, forensics expert. Do you have
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  Speaker 1: studied the facts? What would someone have to do to
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  Speaker 1: get her dead or alive into that drain pipe? Who
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  Speaker 1: would he even think of that? Well, there's two ways
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  Speaker 1: that you can access a drain pipe, Nancy, I've been
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this. First off, you would have to know
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  Speaker 1: where the thing terminates. That is, where it opens up
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  Speaker 1: where you can access Wait a minute, that tells me
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  Speaker 1: it's a local right there, Go ahead, yeah, yeah, Or
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  Speaker 1: you would have to have manhole access. Again, you would
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  Speaker 1: have to be aware of where this is. And I
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  Speaker 1: find it real curious, Nancy, that this is in a park,
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  Speaker 1: her car, is there maybe woods adjacent to it? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what if and this is a big what if?
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  Speaker 1: What if she was summoned to that location by somebody
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  Speaker 1: just to have a talk, if you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: And then they get out there and then something bad
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  Speaker 1: goes wrong and they're looking for a quick way to
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  Speaker 1: dispose of her body. Um, after this has been facilitated.
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  Speaker 1: A grown person could take her, She's not a very
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  Speaker 1: large uh child, take her and literally bring her the
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  Speaker 1: length of that pipe to have for secluded in this area.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be key. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: you're right. I think that this is probably a local
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  Speaker 1: that has an awareness of this area. She got some
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  Speaker 1: into that park. I'd like to know the nature of
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  Speaker 1: that park. What goes on there? Do teenagers hang out?
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  Speaker 1: Is this a lover's laying kind of area? Who frequents
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  Speaker 1: that park? Uh? So? Has she ever been known to
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  Speaker 1: go there before? This is I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of meat on the bone here relative to uh, relative
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  Speaker 1: to the investigation and things that they can look into.
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  Speaker 1: I am just shocked, absolutely shocked that they didn't pursue
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  Speaker 1: this any further uh than they did when this thing
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  Speaker 1: initially kicked off. You know too, Dr Patricia Saunders, not
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  Speaker 1: only dealing with I mean, I don't even know what
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  Speaker 1: I would do if I did not have the twins
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  Speaker 1: to look forward to at night, too, you know, making
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  Speaker 1: their supper, helping them with their school projects. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's my whole world, and I'm thinking about Ebbie's parents,
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  Speaker 1: not only dealing with her not being there, but then
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  Speaker 1: not knowing. Dr Patricia, that's probably the worst part of this,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why I said this is a double trauma,
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  Speaker 1: not only using the door that she's missing, not knowing,
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  Speaker 1: but the very people who were supposed to help don't
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  Speaker 1: really And this is as far outside. But if this
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  Speaker 1: was a local is there a possibly some covernment that
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  Speaker 1: will be investigated. I'm sure because if what we're hearing
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  Speaker 1: from the parents about the way the case was handled,
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  Speaker 1: apparently police didn't even believe she had been taken against
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  Speaker 1: her will. To start with, guys, right now, let's go
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  Speaker 1: straight out to a police press conference. Cold case investigators
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  Speaker 1: came out here in Lamont Park. Well utilize our public
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  Speaker 1: works department with the city, and they began to follow
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  Speaker 1: on once they leads. But they just began to follow
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  Speaker 1: up on the investigation into the disappearance of every step it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've been working on this case since two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen. We've been back out to this park
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen. I was actually one of
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  Speaker 1: the ones out here and we never found anything. Today, Um,
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  Speaker 1: those cold case investigators decided that we needed to look
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  Speaker 1: in a drainage pipe that runs here down the back
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  Speaker 1: of the park, and we used public works to pull
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  Speaker 1: up the pipe and to dig it up. And once
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  Speaker 1: we got the pipe up, they were able to see
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  Speaker 1: that there was human marine remains inside that part of
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  Speaker 1: the pipe. Immediately stopped. UM contacted more detectives. We've got
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  Speaker 1: a crime scene out here, and we've contacted the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: They have sent their Evidence Response team out here to
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  Speaker 1: assist us. The Plaska County corners out here also to assist.
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  Speaker 1: Because what we're doing now as a recovery situation where
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  Speaker 1: this is going to take quite a at a time. UM,
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  Speaker 1: as you can imagine the remains are, it's gonna take
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  Speaker 1: time to sift through the pipe that we have. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna pull up possibly more of that pipe and go
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  Speaker 1: through that also. UM. Right now, I can just verify
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  Speaker 1: that it is human remains. I can't verify who it
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  Speaker 1: is UM at this time. We'll have to take the
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  Speaker 1: remains that we do gather up to the Medical Examiner's
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  Speaker 1: office and from there having autopsy to DNA and trying
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  Speaker 1: to you know, confirm the identity. So you can't confriend
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  Speaker 1: that the UM. The remains were found in a drainage pipe.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct. They were they skeletal remains or were they
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  Speaker 1: at this point and we're still going through the pipe.
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  Speaker 1: So at this point what we have is skeletal Um.
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  Speaker 1: We still have dirt and other debris that's been pushed
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  Speaker 1: through that pipe to go through also so um. But
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  Speaker 1: right now what we're seeing the skeleton. So I know
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  Speaker 1: everyone is wondering, is is this ebby Steppic Do you
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  Speaker 1: believe there's any any connection or y'all any update with
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  Speaker 1: that because this is the park where you search for
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  Speaker 1: her in two thousand and sixteen, this is where she
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  Speaker 1: her car was found. Yes, and those are all good points.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we were out here today to follow up
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  Speaker 1: on the missing report on miss step It. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the where we started um, as you can see the
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  Speaker 1: memorial back here behind us is where the our vehicle
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  Speaker 1: was found and that drainage pipe starts not far from there.
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  Speaker 1: So this is all based upon following up on that case. Detectives.
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  Speaker 1: If we've never given up on this, you know, I know, Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's taken a while and sometimetimes these things do. And
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  Speaker 1: then with the creation of the cold case squad, we
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  Speaker 1: were able to utilize them, while homicide detectives and the
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  Speaker 1: violent crime detectives were able to work on the new
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  Speaker 1: stuff that comes in daily in a little rock, and
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  Speaker 1: then the cold case was able to continue to look
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  Speaker 1: through the file do follow up, and one of the
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  Speaker 1: investigators decided that, hey, we need to look further into this,
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  Speaker 1: and then that's what led us here today. So a
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  Speaker 1: tip didn't lead you here, No, No, this was purely
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  Speaker 1: our investigators and and manly the cold case guys just
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  Speaker 1: following up and kind of using gut instinct and going
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  Speaker 1: through that file and seeing, you know what what we
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  Speaker 1: could do next? Can you describe? So you said, once again,
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  Speaker 1: where was the trainage pipe in relation to the park? Here?
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  Speaker 1: It runs but sat behind the park. Of course you
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  Speaker 1: can't see it. That runs down there's a parking lot
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  Speaker 1: back there and it runs um kind of paralleliction. Besides
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  Speaker 1: human remains with their clothing found or can you come
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  Speaker 1: in on that. Can't come in on that because right
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  Speaker 1: now we're still this is gonna be a slow process.
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  Speaker 1: We're still gonna slowly remove the stuff out of that pipe.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I haven't been informed of any
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  Speaker 1: clothing yet, but it's still way early No tip led
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  Speaker 1: us here. We knew this is the last place that
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  Speaker 1: we knew she was, but based on our car and
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  Speaker 1: protectives just came back here again today. Is there some
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  Speaker 1: sort of opening like in the park to where that
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  Speaker 1: pipe is? It's a typical um I think like a
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  Speaker 1: manhole cover that goes down here too. So is this
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  Speaker 1: the first time to be able to nation. No, it's
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  Speaker 1: the first time we've into that depth. Yes, they had
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to our special guest, Ebbie's mother, Lorie journ Again,
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  Speaker 1: also with me little rock radio host dot Washburn to
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  Speaker 1: both of you, Welcome to Syria, sex M one thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear all about Ebby. First to you,
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  Speaker 1: Lori jurn Agin. Tell me what happened when Ebby went missing.
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  Speaker 1: Start at the beginning. For our listeners that don't know Ebby. UM,
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  Speaker 1: this is so overwhelming, I'm sorry if I start crying. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Ebbie was a senior, had just started high school, had
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  Speaker 1: started a new school by her choice, Um, and she
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  Speaker 1: went to a party she was staying with my son,
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  Speaker 1: her brother. She went to a party on Friday night,
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  Speaker 1: October and was assaulted sexually assaulted. UM. She found out
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  Speaker 1: that it was being recorded, so she left the party.
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  Speaker 1: She contacted my husband Saturday evening UM and told him
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  Speaker 1: about it. She didn't want me to know about it,
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  Speaker 1: told him that she wanted that. She did call the police, UM,
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  Speaker 1: they were not helpful. She told my husband exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 1: She mentioned she had also text other friends and told
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  Speaker 1: him what happened. So this guy that raped her, she
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  Speaker 1: knew him correct from school? From school and is that
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  Speaker 1: one of the guys that went on to get a
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  Speaker 1: scholarship to school? Exactly? Mm hmm okay, so that happens
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  Speaker 1: that night. She doesn't tell you because she doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: you upset. She tells her dad instead. Did they report
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  Speaker 1: the rape? No, he did not. Ebby called the police
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  Speaker 1: before she told my husband, which is ebby stepdad. Um.
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  Speaker 1: She did not get any answers from the police what
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  Speaker 1: to do. Uh. They did not give her any answers
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  Speaker 1: of coming downtown reporting it. So after she told my
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  Speaker 1: husband in text message everything that happened, he was going
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  Speaker 1: to meet her and go to police station with her
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  Speaker 1: before they met. Ebby disappeared. The night before she was
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  Speaker 1: raped by a guy that she knew. She's still in
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  Speaker 1: high school. That she called police. Nothing was ever done
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  Speaker 1: about it. She disappears and he goes on to get
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  Speaker 1: a sports scholarship. Is my understanding of what happened. And
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  Speaker 1: then the next morning she goes with her brother. She's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to go with her brother to visit the grandma
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  Speaker 1: and west Little Rock. Your husband, her stepfather was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to meet her there, but when he gets there, she's gone.
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  Speaker 1: Her family never saw Abby again. Is that correct? That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: She was at her grandmother's house around seven pm. She
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: texts my husband told him everything that happened. He said,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I'll meet you. She didn't want him become to my
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: parents house. He didn't. She didn't want them upset, so
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: she said, yes, we'll meet um. He left, called her
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: to get a place to meet. He never heard from her.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: He couldn't get in touch with her. He verified with
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: my parents that she was there, that she left. She
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: actually told my parents I'll be back later, love you.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Was not upset and left. We don't know where she went,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: or who she met, or what happened to her until
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: five Sunday afternoon. The next day. The next afternoon, after
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: all of us trying to reach her, she finally answered
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the phone. My son called her. She finally answered the phone.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: He said, where are you? And she said, I'm in
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: front of your house. So my son Trevor hung up
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and said, okay, I'm on my way out. He went
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: out there. She wasn't there, and he called her back.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: He said, you're not here. Where are you? And she said,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm with my car. And isn't it
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: true that in that conversation, your son says, Abby sounded
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: very disoriented, that she didn't seem to know what was
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: going on. What do you mean by that? What do
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you mean? But she sounded disoriented. She didn't sound drunk
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: or slurring, but she did not know where she was,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: She didn't know who was with her. All she could
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: say to him was I'm in my car. I'm with
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: my car. And the more he tried to question her,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that's all he could get from her was And this
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: conversation went on four minutes, and all she could say
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: over and is I'm with my car. I don't know
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: who I'm with. I don't know where I am, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: he when that's all I could get from her, he
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: called my husband to get her phone, paining to find
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: out where she was. That that's what was going on.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: He called my husband. That's what they were trying to do.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: At the same time, my husband's driving everywhere looking to her.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And when Trevor called her back, she never answered again.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: We've never heard from her again since that phone call
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to dot Washburn little radio host joining us. Isn't it
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: true that a few days after she disappears, her car
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it was a silver Volkswagen, and her belongings, including her
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: cell phone, her contact lenses, were found in West Little Rock?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: What do we know, Doc? Yeah, the car was found
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and the guy who found it was I guess the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: security guy there at the at the development of the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: neighborhood there in West Little Rock, and he contacted the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: police saying, I don't know why this this car is
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: out here. Um, I guess the the keys are still
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: an ignission, that the battery was dead, it was out
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: of gas, and it took several days for the police
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to respond. Why did it take several days for the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: police to respond. Ebby had already been reported missing and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: this is her car. Yeah, sure, well the the guy,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the guy didn't know it was was Ebbie car apparently.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: But when the police did finally went out there and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: got the car, you know, Eddie's name is on the title,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and her birth father's name is on the title, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: even though everybody in town knows she's missing, the police
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: called the birth father and say, hey, we find a
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: car out here. What's what's going on? As if they didn't, Nancy,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: let me interrupt you. Here that security guard Guy Hooper
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: is speaking to reporters about the discovery of the remains
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: in the drainage pipe. Let's listen. Long years when I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: got the call about what they had possibly found, you
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: hit the real hard. But probably within a hundred yards
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: were the young like hello or whoever it is, was
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: down there. We think, we hope for closure, that the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: way we hope it's not, but then we still don't
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: have answers. That just seems unimaginable to me that this girl,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: this young girl, a high schooler for Pete's sake, goes
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: missing in a relatively small town. I mean, I mean,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: we compare it to New York or l A, San Francisco.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: This is a small town everybody knows she's missing, and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: there's her car, and it takes days for police to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: get there. And then they called the dango, Oh hey,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: even found your car. For that matter, the guy who
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: finds the car. UM. You know, Ebie's family was told, oh, yeah,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: we interviewed him and everything, etcetera, etcetera. Months later to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: find out, no, they didn't. Months later to find out
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that apparently this guy had a video on a thumb drive,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: UM that they never bothered messing with for that matter. UM.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: The refusal to try to find out much about the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: people she was hanging out with. UM, nobody with a
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: police department, with with a crew that was investigating this
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: at first, was was interested in trying to get cell
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: phones of people that she was with. I mean, it's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: just one thing after another. And and the verbal abuse
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I believe, and of course Laurie can speak to us
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: better than than I can, uh that that she and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: her husband experienced from from people who are still on
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the forest with a little wife. Police depart hold on
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: hold on verbal abuse abuse on a victim's mom with
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: me is Ebby's mom. And if you could see the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: photos of this girl, she is absolutely stunning She's just
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: precious and in a few short years, my little Lucy
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: would be her age and my John David too. Laurie Jurakin,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: who is Ebbie's mom. What is Dot Washburn saying about?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: What verbal abuse? Is doc talking about? Lorie? I it
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: happened the whole during the whole case. These officers, this lieutenant,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the sergeant, the detective. No one would investigate this, no one.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It went on and I would show up at the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: police station. I brought I can't tell you how many
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: copies of phone records I brought. Every time I would
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: show up, they would It would be ugly, and they
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: got mad because I would come down and confront them. Uh,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: they got mad because I would show that, you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I would show where they were lying to me. It
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: got so bad that the prosecutor here in Little Rock
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: sent one of his ex employees with me so she
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: could take notes, just just to have some when they're
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: taking notes. That's the third party. When I asked them
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: for the phones, the boys phones, they said no, we
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: didn't get them, and I was just I couldn't believe it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Another one of Ebbie's friends had Abby's original phone and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: had been sharing the cloud with Ebby. I asked if
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: they got her phone. No, we didn't get them. I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: asked them, are they know we're not we don't have
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: probable cause. I was just outrage. I can't even describe
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: how I felt, how I still feel about it. I'm
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: so angry. Um, when I I got so angry that
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the whole police force, like the captain, all the lieutenants,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: everyone met with me. I went over reason after reason
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: after reason to get these boys phones, to get subpoenas
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: for him. And that captain looked at me and said,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: there's no probable cause. And I looked at him and said,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: what does it take for probable cause? And he looked
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: at me and said, I decide what's probable cause. I this,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I can't even I can't even express how what that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: did to my family. Over and over it got to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: be so bad. Um. I had the lieutenant, well, the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: sergeant that was head of this case at the time.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: We were very angry at each other, and we had
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: text messages back and forth. They took my husband. They
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: didn't ask for polygraph tests for us from the beginning,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: which we were absolutely would have done in a second. Um,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: they're this sergeant for whatever reason, was hell bent on
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: running putting my my husband, putting this on my husband.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: There's no wreck, I mean everything, There's nothing that would
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: suggest my husband had anything involved. Well, the last person
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to talk to her was her brother, and your husband's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: whereabouts how been verified. At the time of that conversation,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: he was not with her. Laurie, tell Nancy Grace what
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: happened when you apparently committed the unpardonable sin of referring
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to some of the guys that that Ebby have been
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: hanging out with his thugs. Yeah. I want to hear
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened, Laurie, because you confronted the police about
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the guys that were at that party that night, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to hear anything about it. They did
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: not want to hear one word about it. So, Laurie,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: my question is what has become of those guys that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you believe raped Ebby. Nothing. They've gone to school there
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: on with their lives. They've not been questioned again. They
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: were questioned at the very beginning briefly, Um the guy
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: said no, you're not getting our phones and they were left.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, so they've gone on with their lives now.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Abby had a very unusual tattoo. What did it say, Lisa?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: With every with every darker night becomes a brighter day,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and is that on her arm, that's on her torso
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: on her right? With every with every darker night there
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: comes a brighter day, and that was her heart. A
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: major break in the case in the search for ebby
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Stepic in two thousand fifteen, they find her car and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: now her remains are found dot Washburn. Little rock radio host,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I find it too much of coincidence that she was
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: raped the night before and it was videoed by the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: creep that did it, and in the next within you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours, she goes missing, her car has found
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: abandoned in an unrelated upscale suburban home housing development. I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: find that very I mean, there is no coincidence in
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: criminal criminal law, I very often say so, it's hard
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for me to think that one night she's raped, she
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: calls the police, she tells her stepdad, there's an outcry,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: witness two of them, and then suddenly she's gone, I'm
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: just not buying it, Doc. No, I'm not either, Nancy.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And obviously you're you're thinking like a prosecutor, and you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I've never had any law law courses, but I've talked
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to Polny lawyers and usually I think the most reasonable
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: explanation is a correct one. And the fact that they
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: people at the Little art Of Police department we were
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: supposed to be investigating, are telling Laurie and her husband
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: right off the bat, well, don't go to the media,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: don't publicize this. And the fact that they told this
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: family for months. Yes, we we interviewed the custodian there
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: at the at the residential area where the car was found,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: and then months later when Ev gets ahold of a
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: private investigator, he finds out now they didn't interview the guy,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and the guy had video on the thumb drive for months.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: It might have helped, but now the thumb drive has gone.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And the fact that they're refusing to follow up with
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: these guys that that eye was hanging out with, I mean,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the whole crew that was handling supposedly this investigation for
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the first eight months seemed determined to not want to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: know what happened to her. I think that if they
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: had actually conducted a competent investigation from the start and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: we would have found out Abby was planning to go
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to the Little Rock p d to report a sex
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: assault a rape, but before she could actually talk to police,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: before she could get to the police station, she disappears.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Why she's become famous within the Little Rock, Arkansas community,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: but for for what? For going missing? Ebby goes to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a house party. That was the end of the trail
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: for Abby. For all intents and purposes. She goes to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a party on a Friday night. She has sex assaulted there.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: It was video taped. Police never got that video to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: her mom joining me Lorie Journe again, Laurie, when you
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and you put your feet
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: on the floor and you think of your girl Abby,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: what goes through your mind? Um, I'm I'm devastating. I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: miss her so much. Um. I had so much anger
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: towards two police that were involved in this in the beginning.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I have so much gratitude for the the cats that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: have it. Now. I miss her so much. I miss
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: her so much. I wonder back. I want her body back. Well,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going back over all the evidence. In my mind,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, what teen girl, he's behind her cell phone
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: or clothing or makeup, contact lenses and her cell phone.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the world. Why would she willingly leave
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that behind. There was a fifty thousand dollar reward offered.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: She was last seen at her grandmother's house. She made
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: one mystery call to her brother, but was disoriented and
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it was clearly asking for help, but couldn't seem to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: be able to say where she was or who had her.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Days later, her car turns up in an upscale area
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: near Little Rock. It was sitting there. Took police three
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: days to come get her car, in the car, her
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: cell phone, her makeup, her contact lenses. No teen girl
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: wants to be separated from her cell phone. I can
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: tell you that much. So let me go to our
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: special guest, dout Washburn, little Rock radio host and Ebbie's mother,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Lorie Journe Again. Ebbie was. Ebbie was all about social media.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: She was on social media you all the time, as
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: kids are on social media. I'm reading a post that you,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Laurie rn Again posted. It says, Lord God, Almighty, maker
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of Heaven and Earth. I asked, boldly, give me Ebby today.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Tell me what was going through your mind when you
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: wrote that, Laurie. Now I write that I feel that
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: every day I pray to have her every day. I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: have very strong faith but this will sure make you
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: question it. Um, I plead. We have ebby spacebook page
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and we have so many followers that pray for her
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and pray for us every day. I don't even know
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: most of these people, but Ebbie has touched their heart
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: in the mystery. You can't you can't just disappear. You
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: just can't disappear. You know. It's amazing to me. It's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: amazing to me. Dot Washburn police told the parents not
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to go public. That that why, you know, that's the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: six or four thousand dollar question, Nancy. I wish I knew.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: But again, the way they treated this family, at least
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the the police with the Little Rock Police Department, who
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: were supposedly supposed to be doing the investigation for the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: first eight months, is it's an outrage. Um. You know
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that the people who picked up the ball after the
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: first eight months seemed to have been doing a good job,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: but so much was lost in that initial time period
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that you can't go back and get. What's amazing to
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: me is that the rape was never investigated and the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: alleged rapist has now gone off to college with a scholarship.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: The alleged rapists, I can't outright say rape because it
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: was never even investigated. So nobody's a suspect, nobody's a perpetrator,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: nobody's person of interest because it was never investigated. And
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: then the videotape, as I understand it was on a
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: hard drive, was on and that's been lost. Explained that
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to me, Doc. The thumb drive that I was talking
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: about was was the video of where the car was
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: found the security guy at the development. Wait, wait, wait,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: there's surreillance video of her car being driven. What do
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: we know about that video? Is it real? Is that
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: her car? Well, you know, if the Little Lick Police Department,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: if the people at the Little Life Police Department hadn't
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: lied and said, yeah, we interviewed the security guy out
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: of the development, and months later the p I found out,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: well no that's not true. They didn't interview him, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: he had a thumb drive with video that area for
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: several months before he got rid of it. Um, you
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: know that there's so much like that that has been
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: missed by people who seem to be determined to not
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: find out what happened to this young lady. We're very close.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: She she would spend the night out, but she would
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: come home. Um, she wanted to be at home. She
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: wanted her friends to be at our home. She was
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: more comfortable at home. There's not a day that has
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: been gone by in her life that she's not We
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: haven't been in contact or with her. Let's talk about
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the facts. Let's talk about her cell phone. What evidence,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: if any, was recovered from her cell phone? What were
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: her last phone calls and text Do you know that? No?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I don't why I've not been told that where's the phone?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: FBI has it? The FBI? Would they allow you to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: see it? We first got the phone, um, in the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: very beginning, the little police department gave us the phone
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: and asked us if we knew how to unlock it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's not a good sign. And they couldn't
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: get it unlocked. Well, I don't know her past code.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I assumed police officers knew how to do that. Well,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: ours didn't. They didn't know how to get into her Snapchat,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: her Instagram, her Facebook. I literally had to download and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: copy the the directions for law enforcement to get information
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: from apps. I had to download that. That's what you
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: agree to when you download any any app. I had
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to copy that and give that to them so they
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: can figure out how to contact Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, So
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the FBI has it now. It's amazing to me that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that you don't know. They haven't told you her most
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: her last text, her license, voicemails, who spoke to her
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: last and you can definitely triangulate or figure out where
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: her cell phone had been prior to finding it, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: where it had been prior to those last pings, if
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: anybody contacted her said hey, meet me, anything like that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And why do you think dot Washburn that her car
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: turned up and this upscale housing development that she has
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: no connection to, It looks like somebody dumped the car
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to me, I mean, look, if they had the search
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: done out there and they couldn't find any trace that
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: she had been in that development outside that car, you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: even if she was abducted, it doesn't look like she
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: was abducted there. That that's the one thing. And then
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the other thing, as what Laurie was talking about about
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: how it seemed to be like pulling teeth to get
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the Little Life police department interested in checking out social media.
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  Speaker 1: My understanding is, and I don't know if it's change
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  Speaker 1: since every disappeared, but a little like police department didn't
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  Speaker 1: have an I T. Guy. Uh, they didn't know anything
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  Speaker 1: about social media. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago. For Pete's sake, every every
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  Speaker 1: force has an I T. Guy. This is what we know.
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  Speaker 1: Ebby Stepic disappears October two thousand fifteen. No one has
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  Speaker 1: come forward with any information. The reward has increased. It
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  Speaker 1: is now fifty thousand dollars. That's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: Back to Laurie journ Again, mother of missing Ebby Jane, Laura,
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  Speaker 1: tell me how do you keep your hope alive? Faith?
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  Speaker 1: My my belief and God. Um, that's the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that keeps me going. And when I don't have it,
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  Speaker 1: as other prayers that keep me going, that's the only
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  Speaker 1: way I can keep going. Um. I will fight whoever
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  Speaker 1: I need to fight until I find her, until I
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  Speaker 1: find her body, until I find her, I will fight
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  Speaker 1: till my last breath. I have made so many enemies
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  Speaker 1: in our legal depart in our law enforcement here in Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: and I've had also I've also had advocates show up
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  Speaker 1: in our police department. Um, that's where my that's where
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  Speaker 1: my hope lives is our detective right now, Tommy Hudson,
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  Speaker 1: he's obsessed with this. He came out of retirement for
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  Speaker 1: this case. That's that's the case he works on full time. UM.
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  Speaker 1: We had an assistant chief Beauley Wyane Buley that when
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  Speaker 1: he removed the case from our original group, he apologized
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  Speaker 1: to me over and over of how we were treated,
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  Speaker 1: how the case was mishandled. We had files stossified, we
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  Speaker 1: had um our original group investigators get into her Google
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  Speaker 1: account and manipulate her account. Um. There's so many things
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  Speaker 1: that were done to, like God said, prevent us from
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  Speaker 1: finding our daughter. They wanted to stick with their theory
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: she's a runaway, she'll come home. Of course, police always
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: look at those closest to a victim, and that would
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: include her stepfather. Police investigated him and he has totally
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  Speaker 1: been cleared. There was even no suggestion that he was
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  Speaker 1: involved in this. And I want to put that in
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  Speaker 1: the listeners minds right now, because there was nothing at
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  Speaker 1: all to suggest her brother or stepfather or bio dad
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  Speaker 1: had anything to do with her disappearance. And I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: that because that's the first place all homicide or kidnap
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: investigations start with those family members and then it goes
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  Speaker 1: out to UH love objects, romantic interests X as it
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  Speaker 1: goes from there. I'm gonna put it on the record
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  Speaker 1: right now. The stepfather, the bio dad, the brother have
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  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to do with Ebby's disappearance. To Ebbe's mom,
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Journakin, Laurie, when you think of Abby, what is
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  Speaker 1: your most vivid memory, how happy she is, her love
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  Speaker 1: of people, animals, and her happiness, her affection, She she loved, loved, loved,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and she helped others that gave her so much story
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  Speaker 1: to help others, her friends. The constant theme is she
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  Speaker 1: would do anything for you, and she she would. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have that anymore. I don't have her here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get to see that face, hear her funny stories.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have that anymore. And those that have come
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  Speaker 1: to know her through this investigation, she's touched so many loves.
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  Speaker 1: She's touched so many loves through all this. I have
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  Speaker 1: to fight for her because Ebbie is a fighter. I
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  Speaker 1: search in search and I share everything I searched, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what Ebby would do for me. The irony and
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  Speaker 1: the discovery of these remains that we believe our Ebby's
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: tomorrow as National Missing Children's Day, and we are devoting
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  Speaker 1: ourselves to finding missing children. And my heart is breaking
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  Speaker 1: for the stepics now. And if you have information regarding
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  Speaker 1: who killed little Ebby and put her parents through so
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