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Ep. 1079: Rut Fresh Radio - Push In or Stay Back? Hunting Close to Buck Bedding · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, what is going on? This is Jake Hofer and
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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Route Fresh. It's October 7th.
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Speaker 1: And before we get into the episode, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: give you the quick whitetail weather forecast for the following
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Speaker 1: seven days. The big weather story this week is the
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Speaker 1: return of unusually heavy rain. warm October temperatures across a
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Speaker 1: large portion of the Midwest from Iowa and Minnesota through Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana,
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Speaker 1: and Ohio. Temperatures are running above normal with 70s widespread
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Speaker 1: in some locations pushing into the upper 70s and low 80s.
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Speaker 1: Wind across portions of the Midwest turns south to southwest
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Speaker 1: as the warmer air moves in before shifting more westerly
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Speaker 1: as we get into Wednesday. Pattern here remains relatively dry
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Speaker 1: across much of the Midwest with high pressure playing a
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Speaker 1: major role in limited widespread precipitation and the forecast silver
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Speaker 1: lining with all of this farmers should be able to
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Speaker 1: get in and get the crops out after having some
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Speaker 1: wet weather the last seven days further east cooler air
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Speaker 1: is working through portions of the great lakes and northeast
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Speaker 1: behind a frontal boundary creating a noticeable temperature contrast from
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Speaker 1: warmer conditions further west and overhead The moon continues to
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Speaker 1: get darker. We'll have a waning crescent this week as
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Speaker 1: This week we have a handful of really interesting guests
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Speaker 1: ranging from Missouri with Jack Houston. Scott Peasney from Michigan
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Speaker 1: who connected on a upper Michigan public land buck. And
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Speaker 1: we have Christian Babcock who shot a mountain Oklahoma deer.
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Speaker 1: So a wide variety of guests giving their insights and
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Speaker 1: providing some help for this upcoming seven days. My take,
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Speaker 1: weather's not that great. If you have a buck, it
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Speaker 1: might be worth trying, but I do believe better days
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Speaker 1: will be coming here with this next front. So I'm
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Speaker 1: spending time doing a little bit of scouting, moving some
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Speaker 1: cameras around, observing and trying to get prepared for this
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Speaker 1: next front. So I hope you guys enjoy this week's
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Speaker 1: episode of Rut Fresh presented by Moultrie. Let's go ahead
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Speaker 1: and jump right into it. All right, Jack, welcome to
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Speaker 1: this week's episode of Rut Fresh. We have Jack Houston
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Speaker 1: from Midwest Deer Surveys. How's it going?
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Speaker 2: It's going great, Jake. Excited to talk today and it's
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Speaker 2: almost mid-October. Fun time of year.
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Speaker 3: I know.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 1: It's opening day's boom here, and now we're like, the
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Speaker 1: season just marches faster and faster each week from here
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Speaker 1: on out until, call it Thanksgiving or maybe even the
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Speaker 1: first week of December, but you're in Missouri. What have
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Speaker 1: you been seeing here? I know you hunted this past weekend.
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Speaker 1: What was going on in your neck of the woods
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Speaker 1: in Missouri?
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Speaker 2: Last Friday was unbelievable. We got that big temperature drop.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I saw four Four deer over four and
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Speaker 2: a half, all within 150 yards that night. A couple
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Speaker 2: we were going after and just couldn't close the deal,
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Speaker 2: but we were right where they were bedding, really where
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Speaker 2: we were hunting. I know that hillside, I mean, we
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Speaker 2: were within 300 or 400 yards, and I think even
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Speaker 2: with great weather, that's just such a huge key this
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Speaker 2: time of year.
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Speaker 1: You've got to be close. What were the deer eating
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Speaker 1: on Friday night?
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Speaker 2: So that's really interesting as well. We had a great
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Speaker 2: bean field. It's fully defoliated. And then we overseeded some
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Speaker 2: turnips in it that really didn't come up well, except
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Speaker 2: in a few spots where the beans really weren't there,
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Speaker 2: you know, in July and August. And all of those
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Speaker 2: deer were in the brassicas.
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Speaker 1: Beating the tops of the brassicas.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You got fully defoliated beans that I would think they
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Speaker 2: should be starting to kind of get back on, but
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Speaker 2: they had zero interest in them.
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Speaker 1: Interesting and so then this uh was it last night
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Speaker 1: you hunted and had you know you're hunting a specific
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Speaker 1: deer and his running mate was in there last night
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Speaker 1: was the same deal were they in the eating the
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Speaker 1: tops of brassicas.
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Speaker 2: No i wish i had good food plot plot setups
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Speaker 2: where i was uh hunting this guy but this was
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Speaker 2: a little inside corner uh had a pond right there
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Speaker 2: cut cornfield and really the reason i'm hunting there is
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Speaker 2: actually hunting on the ground it's just been getting trail
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Speaker 2: camera pictures got a little scrape there and just that's
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Speaker 2: kind of where he's been so well.
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Speaker 1: All right so tops of brassicas inside corners terrain features
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Speaker 1: scrapes rolling into uh call it october 7th to the
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Speaker 1: 14th what changes or doesn't change over these next seven
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Speaker 1: days with your strategy.
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Speaker 2: Bill Winky always says there's a little false rut once
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Speaker 2: you get to like the 13th, 14th, 15th, where you
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Speaker 2: can get a few does that come into estrus like
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Speaker 2: a month early. I feel like I've seen that once
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Speaker 2: or twice. I don't know how true it is, but
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Speaker 2: if he says it, it's got to be a little
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Speaker 2: bit of something.
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Speaker 3: Going on there.
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Speaker 2: So that's exciting. I mean, it looks like kind of
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Speaker 2: middle of next week, the weather gets into the 60s here.
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Speaker 2: You know, if you hunt weather... And you're close to
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Speaker 2: their bedding. Hunt those temperature drops. Good things are going
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Speaker 2: to happen.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Which, you know, what's your take on, you know, mid-October,
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Speaker 1: this time frame right now, a lot of people in
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Speaker 1: the last two weeks of Rut Fresh, the chant has
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Speaker 1: been acorns. Acorns, acorns, acorns. What's your, I mean, do
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Speaker 1: you think, like what have you observed in knowing, I
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly where you're at, Missouri. I wish I did.
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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But, I mean, is that something that
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Speaker 1: you're accounting for? Or maybe if someone's like, man, I'm
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Speaker 1: not really getting much on camera right now, maybe they're
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Speaker 1: in the oaks. Or do you think it's not as
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Speaker 1: prevalent from your observations and where you're at?
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Speaker 2: I would say, you know, my best camera two weeks
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Speaker 2: ago was a big white oak. And the activity has
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Speaker 2: definitely died on that. Now, did it just run out
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Speaker 2: on that individual tree? You know, the deer I was
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Speaker 2: hunting on Friday I talked about, this is a big
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Speaker 2: old cattle farm, and so maybe half of it has
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Speaker 2: a lot of big timber and oaks, and the other
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Speaker 2: half is just old cattle pasture, locusts, stuff like that,
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Speaker 2: really no acorns. Those deer could have easily all been
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Speaker 2: in the woods, but they were out in this cattle
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Speaker 2: pasture stuff. They weren't eating acorns, and they totally could have.
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Speaker 2: I think there's big individual deer preference issues. on food
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Speaker 2: sources just like with us um but if if acorns
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Speaker 2: were that favorable for those guys they certainly wouldn't have
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Speaker 2: been where they were i don't i don't take i
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Speaker 2: don't hold uh you know i think every deer is
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Speaker 2: different you got to see what they're doing and go
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Speaker 2: hunt that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah i think there's a lot of truth to that
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Speaker 1: and i think it's easy to easy to shoebox or
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Speaker 1: hamstring yourself for like i have to be hunting this
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Speaker 1: because of why information or whatever the, um, information where
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Speaker 1: you have to be very self-aware of what is going
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Speaker 1: on with where you're hunting and, um, what I'm curious
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Speaker 1: with your, your gut instinct here. If you had to
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Speaker 1: get into the psychology of a mature buck over the
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Speaker 1: next seven days for seven to the 14th, do you
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Speaker 1: think it's still just relatively bed to food and lay
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Speaker 1: down some signs? I would say so.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's gradually going up, right? And then that
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Speaker 2: last week, October, just everything changes. But, you know, I'm
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Speaker 2: seeing more fighting on trail cameras. I think all that
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Speaker 2: stuff's just going to amp up. But I'm not seeing
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Speaker 2: them move a whole lot yet, even at night.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Today's the 5th, and I had first two, like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, three- and a four-year-old sparring games. on
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Speaker 1: an edge of a food plot. And you're right, like
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Speaker 1: you can almost feel the testosterone rise in the woods
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Speaker 1: with these bucks. And what, another question for you with,
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Speaker 1: you do a ton of different research and you fly,
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Speaker 1: you survey farms and everything else. And I know right
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Speaker 1: now it's a hard time to survey with foliage up,
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Speaker 1: but is there any observations on just general deer behavior
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Speaker 1: for this like quote unquote October lull?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I have a lot of clients all scattered,
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Speaker 2: you know, throughout the country. And then the last week
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Speaker 2: I've gotten a lot of, a lot of big deer
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Speaker 2: sent to me. So, you know, dead big deer. So
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Speaker 2: they've been dropping, people are dialed in, the weather's been okay. And, um,
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Speaker 2: this is the time of year where you succeed if
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Speaker 2: you prepare during the off season a lot. And you
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Speaker 2: can't do that for every deer all the time. I'm,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm kind of chasing one guy right now
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Speaker 2: that I wish I was more prepared for, but.
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Speaker 1: Uh, Yeah. Deer dropping. It's happening. Yeah. Which, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of looking at the weather here briefly for, you know,
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Speaker 1: the 7th to the 14th you're right it does look
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Speaker 1: like closer to the 14th here there's you know the
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Speaker 1: 13th 14th looks like there's a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: weather front and it is eerie and and anyone that
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Speaker 1: likes to hunt deer you'll be driving down the road
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Speaker 1: middle of the day There's going to be some big
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Speaker 1: deer to die tonight. You watch the temperature on your
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Speaker 1: truck just go down, down, down. You're looking at the weather,
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Speaker 1: and it's like really oftentimes when the front comes in,
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Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know who's going to kill a
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Speaker 1: big deer tonight, but someone's going to kill a big
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Speaker 1: deer tonight. And I think next Tuesday, Wednesday, it looks
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Speaker 1: like it could be one of those days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would encourage people to, you know, you
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Speaker 2: want to hunt a cold front, yeah, but if you're
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Speaker 2: really close to where they're bedding and they're on a
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Speaker 2: pretty consistent feed pattern, If it's 80 degrees one night,
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Speaker 2: they might just get up 20 minutes later and you
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Speaker 2: can still have a chance at them at dark. I
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Speaker 2: would let that, if you got the right wind and stuff,
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Speaker 2: I would still be out there. I know I'm going
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Speaker 2: to do that this week. The weather's not great, but
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Speaker 2: I'm still going. Probably every day other than Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Why Saturday? Too hot Saturday or you got plans? Too
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Speaker 1: hot Saturday. It looks 85.
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Speaker 2: It's a.
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Speaker 1: Little warm for me. Yeah, that's good insight. So get
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Speaker 1: tighter to bedding and know your window of opportunity might
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Speaker 1: be shorter. The distance of travel might be less. If
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Speaker 1: you're hunting almost every evening this week, are you going
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Speaker 1: to be hunting on the ground again, on the inside corner,
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Speaker 1: or are you going to be observing the defoliated beans
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Speaker 1: and tops of brassicas?
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Speaker 2: I hate hunting on the ground, but it works. I'll
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Speaker 2: be doing both. I'll be hopping around. If the wind's
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Speaker 2: right for one setup, I'll be there hunting one deer.
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Speaker 2: If it's not, I'll be somewhere else with somebody else
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Speaker 2: hunting another deer.
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Speaker 1: I like it.
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Speaker 2: One other thing I'd add, Jake, is this week, I
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Speaker 2: think it was Wednesday, I went and changed a bunch
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Speaker 2: of cameras, spread out some wheat seed before rain. All
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Speaker 2: this disturbance in a pretty low-cover farm. That guy daylighted.
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Speaker 2: The guy I'm hunting on Friday at 6 p.m. and
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Speaker 2: all those spots. So we think don't pressure deer. You
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Speaker 2: just got to be smart about it. You got to
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Speaker 2: go get what you got to get done done. But
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Speaker 2: all that disturbance and that guy was still right back there.
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Speaker 1: I think so if someone right now is like, man,
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Speaker 1: there's a few things I still need to get done.
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Speaker 1: I might be able to sneak out of work early
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Speaker 1: or Saturday is going to be super hot. Making some
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Speaker 1: of those midday trips. last-minute moves could prove to be,
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Speaker 1: you know, fruitful if it puts you in a position
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Speaker 1: when the next front rolls in or next opportunity rolls in.
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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is don't be scared to get
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Speaker 1: done what you need to get done, but be smart
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Speaker 1: and efficient about it.
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Speaker 2: I would do it 100% of the time, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so, Jack, I wish you the best of luck,
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Speaker 1: and I anticipate some success later on this year. But
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Speaker 1: for everyone that is in Missouri or even the Midwest,
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Speaker 1: you have a recovery business and also a survey business.
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Speaker 1: So how can, tell us quickly what that is and
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Speaker 1: how they find you.
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Speaker 2: Midwestdeersurveys.com is the website. You can find me there, and
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Speaker 2: that's probably the best spot.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, Jack. Good luck. Thanks, Jake.
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Speaker 1: All right, we got Scott Pisanee from Michigan who just
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Speaker 1: shot a Northwoods Michigan buck. How does it feel? Incredible.
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Speaker 6: First buck for me ever on opening day.
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Speaker 4: So it was a very, very special hunt.
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Speaker 1: Pretty, pretty cool. That's really neat. And so you have
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Speaker 1: a beautiful backdrop here behind you. You can undoubtedly in
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Speaker 1: the Northwoods here. Opening day, was it opening morning, opening evening?
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Speaker 1: What was the plan going into it?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it was opening evening.
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Speaker 4: We got a big rain system here in West Michigan
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Speaker 4: that pushed through.
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Speaker 6: Let's see.
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Speaker 4: Opening day was Thursday. So it would have been Wednesday
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Speaker 4: evening all night and basically all day on Thursday, our
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Speaker 4: opening day. So I didn't go out in the morning.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it was raining.
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Speaker 4: I hate missing any hunt on opening day. I like
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Speaker 4: to get out there in the mornings, even in October.
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Speaker 4: But in this case, I slept in through the rain
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Speaker 4: and just didn't have any camera activity all night long
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Speaker 4: into the morning. So I had a pretty good feeling
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Speaker 4: if there was going to be a break in the rain,
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Speaker 4: they'd be moving pretty good. In the evening, so I
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Speaker 4: jumped in a spot that I had kind of had
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Speaker 4: eyes on for the last few years. It's an acorn
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Speaker 4: flat that's between, well, between.
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Speaker 6: The lake right behind me and another swamp.
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Speaker 4: And then to the west of it, it has an
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Speaker 4: old clear cut, but it's still fairly thick with kind
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Speaker 4: of autumn olive, good cover. And I'd gone in there
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Speaker 4: last Sunday, put in a cell camera on a fresh scrape,
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Speaker 4: that was on an old two track, just a good
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Speaker 4: travel corridor that I know deer are using and just
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Speaker 4: a ton of fresh sign in there. Not necessarily buck sign,
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Speaker 4: but just deer sign in general and figured that would
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Speaker 4: be a good spot for a camera. And I, I
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Speaker 4: got this buck that I ended up shooting on opening
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Speaker 4: night a couple of times. He was, I mean, you know, for,
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Speaker 4: for up here on public land, that's as much of
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Speaker 4: a pattern as you're going to get on a deer.
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Speaker 4: If he's there two or three times in less than
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Speaker 4: a week, that's, that gets my interest big time. So, um,
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Speaker 4: I jumped in the saddle and of course, I'm sure
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Speaker 4: you've had this where you go in scout, you pick
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Speaker 4: a tree. You're like, Oh yeah, that's a great tree.
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Speaker 4: And then you get back out there. You're like, what
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Speaker 4: were you thinking? I mean, I picked a tree that
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Speaker 4: had very little cover. I'm on pins and needles the
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Speaker 4: entire hunt and ended up having at about seven 20,
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Speaker 4: which is like 30 some minutes before legal light ends.
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Speaker 6: But it was dark because it was still raining. It
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Speaker 6: was still drizzling.
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Speaker 4: So by seven 20, uh, when, when this buck showed
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Speaker 4: up kind of, um, pushing some fawns off of his acorns, uh,
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Speaker 4: he ended up pushing those fawns right back toward me where, uh,
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Speaker 4: where mom was standing. And I couldn't tell that it
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Speaker 4: was this buck, but I knew it was a good buck.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not a guy that hunts one buck exclusively.
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Speaker 4: I just saw that it was, he had a lot
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Speaker 4: of bone up top and, um, luckily I was able to,
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Speaker 4: to thread a shot through. He stopped in a great
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Speaker 4: spot for me and not a great spot for him.
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Speaker 1: That's super cool, man. That's a way to, way to
16:36
Speaker 1: make it all come together in a short amount of time. And, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, right after that weather front and rain, everyone
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Speaker 1: talks about it, the importance of that sit after, you know,
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Speaker 1: a weather front and you pre-scouted all the things, all
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Speaker 1: the things when a plan comes together, man, it's sweet
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Speaker 1: and it's awesome. And I think you have that deer
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Speaker 1: for everyone watching on YouTube. Um, you have a deer,
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Speaker 1: so you could, you give us a quick, uh, sneak
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Speaker 1: of this Michigan buck.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: So pretty, pretty cool.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, for, for up here, I've been
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Speaker 4: hunting up here on public land 15 years and my
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Speaker 4: uncle's more like 40. Um, this is, you know, this
17:11
Speaker 4: is one of the better ones that we've, that we've
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Speaker 4: harvested in, in 40 years. And that definitive crab claw there,
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Speaker 4: I had a coworker name him, Mr.
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Speaker 6: Krabs.
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Speaker 4: I know that's probably been used a million times, but, um, yeah,
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Speaker 4: super cool to have a little, even though a short history,
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Speaker 4: just have a little bit of a history and actually
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Speaker 4: feel like I, I had a beat on, on a mature.
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Speaker 6: Buck and, and then have it come together was real special.
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Speaker 1: Man, that's what we're all chasing. And you were able
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Speaker 1: to accomplish that opening day, first sit of the year, which,
17:43
Speaker 1: you know, the work in previous Intel of years, like
17:46
Speaker 1: for anyone listening, like don't get discouraged because it all
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Speaker 1: came together from a long time, but you were able
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Speaker 1: to make it happen and for it to all to unfold.
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Speaker 1: That's super cool. And you guys have like an actual
17:57
Speaker 1: traditional wall tent camp, right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have a wall tent with a wood burner.
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Speaker 4: We all pitch individual tents. Again, my uncles and I
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Speaker 4: have been doing this for, they've been doing it for
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Speaker 4: a long, long time. I've been doing it for 10
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Speaker 4: to 15 years up here. And yeah, traditional old school,
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Speaker 4: we call it Camp Two Fires up here in the
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Speaker 4: middle of the National Forest.
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Speaker 6: And there's no better place to be.
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Speaker 1: That's super cool. So imagine, which I guess technically you still,
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Speaker 1: you still have a tag from the sounds of it.
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Speaker 1: You know, looking here for the 7th to the 14th
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Speaker 1: of October, I know, I know you'll have to get
18:47
Speaker 1: back to reality at some point, but imagine you're able
18:49
Speaker 1: to stay for the next, you know, nine days, let's say.
18:52
Speaker 1: What would be kind of your game plan for anyone
18:55
Speaker 1: listening to give them a sense of direction over the next,
18:58
Speaker 1: you know, call it seven days?
19:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's traditionally, this is a tough seven
19:03
Speaker 4: days to hunt. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. The
19:05
Speaker 4: hunting pressure, is apparent already, just driving around, seeing a
19:09
Speaker 4: lot of trucks, seeing a lot of guys, so it's
19:13
Speaker 4: a tricky situation traditionally up here for that second week
19:17
Speaker 4: of October, I think you have a good window early on,
19:22
Speaker 4: but now I would say, you know, I'm definitely going
19:25
Speaker 4: to want to be in an area with acorns, they're
19:26
Speaker 4: still dropping, I don't know if you've been able to
19:28
Speaker 4: hear through my phone audio, but they're still dropping up here,
19:31
Speaker 4: and I was just hunting a tree, two or three
19:33
Speaker 4: nights ago that still had green acorns on it.
19:35
Speaker 6: So I think they're going to be dropping for another
19:37
Speaker 6: few days.
19:38
Speaker 4: So I'd definitely be somewhere where there's at least acorns
19:41
Speaker 4: in your area. And I would be close to bedding.
19:44
Speaker 4: I love clear cuts, you know, from maybe three years
19:48
Speaker 4: to seven years. or somewhere in there depends it varies
19:52
Speaker 4: but something that deer can see through a little bit
19:55
Speaker 4: and walk through not so thick that they can't get
19:58
Speaker 4: through it but areas where they're not going to be
20:02
Speaker 4: seen is is probably something that i would key on
20:06
Speaker 4: right now.
20:09
Speaker 1: What um So you had a couple of yearlings that
20:11
Speaker 1: came in and then you had that one buck. Um,
20:15
Speaker 1: what else, who, I guess in camp, you have multiple
20:18
Speaker 1: eyeballs and every night, I'm sure you guys are sharing
20:20
Speaker 1: hunting stories and what you've seen. What has been, is
20:23
Speaker 1: it pretty much has been a sole focus upon finding
20:26
Speaker 1: acorns that are getting, getting ate in the evenings? Yeah.
20:30
Speaker 1: You know, it's a variety.
20:32
Speaker 4: Um, there, you know, some of my uncles have been
20:34
Speaker 4: hunting the same spots for, for up to 40 years,
20:38
Speaker 4: you know, and, And things change throughout those years. And
20:42
Speaker 4: they've had some oaks near some of their best spots
20:46
Speaker 4: for early season die. And we're not seeing as many
20:50
Speaker 4: deer in those areas right now. You know, it's hit
20:57
Speaker 4: or miss. It seems like the deer movement overall has
20:59
Speaker 4: been slow. I've been out a couple more times. I
21:01
Speaker 4: have not seen another deer since opening night.
21:04
Speaker 3: And....
21:06
Speaker 4: You know, some of it could be because opening day
21:08
Speaker 4: fell on a Thursday, probably not as much pressure on
21:11
Speaker 4: that Thursday, but come Friday, Saturday, Sunday, now, you know,
21:15
Speaker 4: the deer are feeling that that's kind of speculation, but overall,
21:19
Speaker 4: you know, camp as a whole has not, we're not
21:22
Speaker 4: seeing deer running all over the place, but we are seeing, um,
21:26
Speaker 4: another one of my uncles had, uh, Uh, probably a
21:30
Speaker 4: two and a half year old, nice six point actually
21:32
Speaker 4: kind of, kind of chasing a doe around. I know they'll, they'll,
21:35
Speaker 4: you know, start messing around a little bit early if
21:37
Speaker 4: it gets chilly in early October, but that's overall not,
21:42
Speaker 4: not a ton of deer movement right now.
21:45
Speaker 1: Got it. Looking at the weather for the next seven days, what,
21:49
Speaker 1: what can you deduct from that?
21:51
Speaker 4: Looks like there's, uh, some warmer temperatures or average to
21:55
Speaker 4: warmer temperatures here for the next like four days. And
21:59
Speaker 4: then after the weekend, we were going to see a
22:03
Speaker 4: cold front hit. And I do think that that would
22:05
Speaker 4: be a good day or two, like Monday, Tuesday. I
22:08
Speaker 4: think we were talking that that's coming through. That could be,
22:12
Speaker 4: that could be a good time. Again, I still think
22:14
Speaker 4: you're going to need to be on public land up
22:16
Speaker 4: here in West Michigan. I still think you're going to
22:18
Speaker 4: need to be close to a bedding area. I don't
22:19
Speaker 4: see a mature buck moving more than 200, maybe, maybe
22:22
Speaker 4: 300 yards in legal light. So, If you have a
22:28
Speaker 4: little bit of a pattern, if you're getting some pictures,
22:30
Speaker 4: you're getting some cell cam data on a good trail
22:33
Speaker 4: coming out of bedding, maybe to some acorns or some
22:36
Speaker 4: type of oak flat, some type of food source, that
22:38
Speaker 4: could be a good time to strike.
22:42
Speaker 1: I like it. Any other sage advice for everyone out
22:45
Speaker 1: there listening for the next seven days?
22:48
Speaker 4: You know, maybe not for the next seven days, but
22:52
Speaker 4: just a life in general thing.
22:55
Speaker 6: I lost a friend.
22:56
Speaker 4: On Saturday and, and, and our deer camp for, for
23:02
Speaker 4: November is, uh, is going to be missing him. And
23:07
Speaker 4: we put a lot of pressure on ourselves and we,
23:09
Speaker 4: we put a lot of time and effort into trying
23:13
Speaker 4: to fill a tag or trying to fill multiple tags
23:15
Speaker 4: or trying to get after a mature buck. And you know, what,
23:20
Speaker 4: what you realize is that it really isn't that important.
23:22
Speaker 4: You know, what's important is making memories with, with your
23:25
Speaker 4: loved ones, with your friends and family and, and.
23:28
Speaker 6: Don't lose sight of that.
23:29
Speaker 4: Make sure that you are really, you know, enjoying every season.
23:33
Speaker 4: You don't know when your last season might be or,
23:37
Speaker 4: or when your best hunting buddy might have his last season.
23:39
Speaker 6: So enjoy it. And if you can, if you can
23:43
Speaker 6: fill a tag, you know.
23:44
Speaker 4: That's obviously special, but it's really about the people you
23:46
Speaker 4: share that with that, that matters.
23:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:50
Speaker 1: Sorry to hear, sorry to hear about your loss. That's
23:52
Speaker 1: always tough. And I think there's a lot of, that's
23:55
Speaker 1: timely advice. Cause you're right. We all get worked up
23:57
Speaker 1: and we all, uh, we all get a little selfish. Uh,
24:00
Speaker 1: anyone that says otherwise is lying. And I think that's
24:03
Speaker 1: a very important message. So I appreciate you sharing that.
24:05
Speaker 1: And once again, sorry to hear about that. Um, I
24:09
Speaker 1: guess our takeaway here, but like, as far as, you know,
24:13
Speaker 1: if someone wants to track you down and share words
24:15
Speaker 1: of encouragement or anything like that, um, what is the
24:17
Speaker 1: best way to do that?
24:20
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:20
Speaker 6: Shoot me a follow on Instagram. Shoot me a DM.
24:22
Speaker 4: It's at the American wild or the underscore American underscore wild.
24:28
Speaker 4: I keep it pretty light. You know, I don't take
24:30
Speaker 4: things too seriously. I really do try to live by
24:33
Speaker 4: what I just said. It's about the people. It's about
24:35
Speaker 4: friends and family for me. It's about sharing stories, having fun.
24:40
Speaker 4: Don't take your, your mistakes too seriously because success might
24:44
Speaker 4: be falling right behind, you know, and, for me, maybe
24:49
Speaker 4: most people would probably say it was a fluke. If
24:51
Speaker 4: you look at my track record, I've screwed up way
24:54
Speaker 4: more than I've had success. But every time you screw up,
24:58
Speaker 4: you learn from it and it all can come together
25:01
Speaker 4: in a flash. I was in my tree for like
25:04
Speaker 4: an hour and a half and had filled a tag
25:06
Speaker 4: on a beautiful Michigan public land box. So you're never
25:10
Speaker 4: as far away from success as you might think.
25:12
Speaker 6: Don't be too hard on yourself.
25:14
Speaker 4: Have fun, laugh off the mistakes and That's kind of
25:17
Speaker 4: what my Instagram is all about.
25:20
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, congratulations once again. Thanks for hopping on.
25:23
Speaker 1: Good luck the rest of the season, and certainly appreciate it.
25:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, man. Love the show.
25:28
Speaker 4: Love what Wired to Hunt and you're doing at Ruff Fresh.
25:31
Speaker 4: You and Mark are two guys I definitely look up to,
25:34
Speaker 4: so I'm thrilled to be on the show.
25:36
Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me.
25:37
Speaker 1: Christian, welcome to Ruff Fresh. How's it going? Good, man.
25:41
Speaker 3: Doing great.
25:42
Speaker 5: I appreciate you having me on.
25:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I have a feeling I know why you're
25:45
Speaker 1: doing great. A lot of people say I'm doing good,
25:47
Speaker 1: but you're doing great and for good reason. You connected
25:50
Speaker 1: on a beautiful buck this past weekend. How does it feel?
25:54
Speaker 5: Oh, fantastic, dude.
25:55
Speaker 3: Yeah. To have a great season, at least in my mind,
25:58
Speaker 3: you got to start off early. You got to start
26:00
Speaker 3: off hot. So I'm looking forward to the rest of
26:03
Speaker 3: the season. It feels like I've opened up the curtains
26:06
Speaker 3: and now we're just walking slowly through it.
26:08
Speaker 5: So it's good.
26:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:09
Speaker 1: And you have the skullcap of the buck you shot
26:11
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, right?
26:12
Speaker 2: Yep. All right.
26:13
Speaker 1: Let's see it.
26:14
Speaker 5: All right.
26:15
Speaker 3: Here we go.
26:18
Speaker 1: Beautiful. Not bad. Beautiful.
26:21
Speaker 5: Beautiful. He's a framey sucker.
26:25
Speaker 1: So give us the breakdown where, what was your setup
26:27
Speaker 1: that evening? What, what was your gut feeling going into it?
26:30
Speaker 1: Why were you there? All the fun stuff.
26:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, we've had a, I got an, actually got
26:35
Speaker 3: a piece of permission, um, property this last season. Um,
26:39
Speaker 3: it's a, it's a good buddy who, who lives down in, uh,
26:42
Speaker 3: in Western Oklahoma, but it's a really cool mountain piece.
26:44
Speaker 3: And you hear mountains like people think that's like unfathomable
26:47
Speaker 3: but it's the Wichita mountains down there there's some elk
26:50
Speaker 3: habitat and a bunch of good whitetail stuff so we
26:53
Speaker 3: were hunting a big old mountain pass in between you
26:56
Speaker 3: know a couple hundred feet of elevation goes down into
26:59
Speaker 3: some giant wheat fields kind of down in the bottom
27:01
Speaker 3: my buddy hunted it that morning and he saw six
27:05
Speaker 3: bucks and seven does kind of come through that pass
27:08
Speaker 3: and it's so funny as the pictures on his video
27:10
Speaker 3: on his phone of those whitetails traversing the mountain and
27:13
Speaker 3: they were like walking up there like goats and stuff
27:15
Speaker 3: it's crazy Um, so he passed a couple really good
27:19
Speaker 3: four-year-olds that morning. And one of our other buddies had a, uh,
27:23
Speaker 3: a wedding rehearsal that night. And, uh, he was like,
27:27
Speaker 3: you know, you're going to kill a buck tonight, but
27:29
Speaker 3: I think you should go where I went this morning.
27:31
Speaker 3: I sat to the South of them on a food plot, uh,
27:34
Speaker 3: that morning. And so went up in that pass and
27:36
Speaker 3: he was like, dude, have your phone on you. Cause
27:38
Speaker 3: you're going to kill one. And I was like, I
27:39
Speaker 3: want to know when you kill one. And, uh, so
27:41
Speaker 3: I sat there, uh, that night and I seen like
27:44
Speaker 3: four does and about About 545, I look over, and
27:48
Speaker 3: it's just this giant pass that dumps into some milo
27:51
Speaker 3: on the far side, and there's weed on the other,
27:53
Speaker 3: on the east side. And this buck comes out of
27:57
Speaker 3: the bottom, jumps the neighbor's fence. He's in a bunch,
27:59
Speaker 3: like kind of a mesquite flat down at the bottom.
28:01
Speaker 3: And I just see that rat jump the fence. It's
28:04
Speaker 3: like from 200 yards. It's like, yep, grab the bow.
28:07
Speaker 5: He comes walking up that trail, and you know how
28:10
Speaker 5: it is.
28:10
Speaker 3: When you get to watch him come in for a
28:12
Speaker 3: long ways, you're just like, I just need to look
28:14
Speaker 3: the other direction.
28:15
Speaker 2: This is like painful.
28:17
Speaker 3: So he walks in, and he's pretty much directly below me.
28:20
Speaker 3: He walks behind a cedar, and I'm like, as soon
28:23
Speaker 3: as he gets behind that cedar, and I drew. And
28:25
Speaker 3: he was just steady walking, and I was like, I
28:27
Speaker 3: really don't like stopping him, but he was going to step.
28:30
Speaker 5: In out of my lane.
28:31
Speaker 3: And I was like, Matt, and looked up. That frame
28:35
Speaker 3: turned at me. Eyes got about twice as big.
28:37
Speaker 5: I was like, here we go.
28:37
Speaker 3: And it was– gusting like 19 20 miles an hour
28:40
Speaker 3: and my freaking pins all over him like just pulled
28:43
Speaker 3: this shot and i pulled and hit him a little
28:45
Speaker 3: bit high he ran 80 yards and stopped and kind
28:48
Speaker 3: of looked back and i was loading up another arrow
28:51
Speaker 3: and then by the time i looked back at him
28:52
Speaker 3: again all four legs were up in the air and
28:54
Speaker 3: i was just like oh.
28:55
Speaker 1: Let's go so that you can't it was just picture
28:58
Speaker 1: perfect yeah i love that that is awesome so was
29:01
Speaker 1: he headed to a food source that evening or like
29:04
Speaker 1: kind of you know There's.
29:06
Speaker 5: A few things going on there. Yeah.
29:08
Speaker 3: We've got some like feeders throughout the property. There's one
29:11
Speaker 3: deeper in that pass. And then, like I said, down
29:14
Speaker 3: in the bottom, there's some wheat that just got planted.
29:17
Speaker 3: And then this past weekend, me and my buddy planted
29:20
Speaker 3: like a wheat and chicory mix and radish.
29:23
Speaker 5: And so there's some wheat that's starting to poke through
29:25
Speaker 5: down in the bottom.
29:27
Speaker 3: But we've kind of got some feeders throughout the property
29:29
Speaker 3: as well. I mean, they're on some pretty natural movement paths.
29:32
Speaker 3: But there's a few different reasons, I think. I think
29:34
Speaker 3: he was probably going to hit some food Man, did
29:38
Speaker 3: you think he'd come together like that?
29:40
Speaker 5: No, absolutely not.
29:42
Speaker 1: No, I'm a pessimist. You can't do that in deer hunting.
29:47
Speaker 1: It's tough to be a pessimist. Man, that's super cool.
29:51
Speaker 1: Were you nervous at all when you saw him at
29:52
Speaker 1: 200 yards away? Were you concerned, like, is he going
29:54
Speaker 1: to come within bow range? Or was it how the
29:56
Speaker 1: terrain was? It was tight enough where it's like he's
29:58
Speaker 1: going to come through here.
29:59
Speaker 3: Man, this pass is fairly wide. Like it's probably 120
30:03
Speaker 3: yards wide. And it kind of concerned me earlier because
30:06
Speaker 3: I saw some does like halfway up the face of
30:09
Speaker 3: that mountain. And they looked like they just popped out
30:11
Speaker 3: of the mountain, like out of a freaking.
30:12
Speaker 5: Hole behind these rocks. And I'm like, man, where did
30:15
Speaker 5: they come from?
30:16
Speaker 3: And so I had a doe walk right in front
30:19
Speaker 3: of me and I had a north northeast wind. She
30:21
Speaker 3: was about to catch my wind, but she worked back
30:24
Speaker 3: that same trail that he came back towards me off
30:26
Speaker 3: the neighbor. She had went into about 30 minutes before.
30:30
Speaker 3: And as he was headed up that trail, it wide,
30:32
Speaker 3: it was going to wide to go behind my cedar
30:35
Speaker 3: or left to kind of follow, fall down into the
30:37
Speaker 3: pass even more. And thank God he went left in
30:40
Speaker 3: the bottom. Cause I was like, Oh no, I'm going
30:42
Speaker 3: to have to shoot him at like 10 yards downwind.
30:44
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way this is going to happen.
30:46
Speaker 3: And you're in a cedar that's four inches of diameter
30:49
Speaker 3: and you got to cut it out to have a
30:51
Speaker 3: good stand in there. And so it's, I was like,
30:53
Speaker 3: there's no way this is going to come together, but
30:55
Speaker 3: thankfully he took the right trail.
30:57
Speaker 1: That's super cool. What, uh, So the tree you were
30:59
Speaker 1: in was tiny. Oh yeah.
31:02
Speaker 5: Up, up in the top. It was, it was probably
31:04
Speaker 5: that big around.
31:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:05
Speaker 6: Was it shaken?
31:06
Speaker 1: Was it shaken when, when you saw him? You had
31:09
Speaker 1: the wind to cover your, your shakes. Uh huh.
31:12
Speaker 5: No, for real. Yeah.
31:13
Speaker 3: It was, I was only like eight feet off the ground.
31:15
Speaker 3: Like it was not a big cedar, but it was
31:16
Speaker 3: just in the perfect spot. And you're like, it's gotta
31:18
Speaker 3: be right there. So, um, they had hung that stand,
31:21
Speaker 3: my buddy and a couple of buddies earlier in the year,
31:23
Speaker 3: but yeah, no, it was, it was perfect.
31:26
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:26
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's some, some good insight in that.
31:28
Speaker 1: So for anyone that's in similar terrain, which probably not
31:33
Speaker 1: a ton of people, but I'm just curious, looking at
31:35
Speaker 1: the weather and everything else over the next seven days,
31:38
Speaker 1: the 7th to the 14th, what advice would you have
31:41
Speaker 1: for someone that's listening to this and they're trying to
31:43
Speaker 1: plan the upcoming weekend or maybe Friday or even early
31:47
Speaker 1: next week? What do you tell them with the weather,
31:51
Speaker 1: time of year, all these different things?
31:53
Speaker 5: Set your expectations accordingly.
31:56
Speaker 3: Um and we had some high 50s lows uh this
31:59
Speaker 3: last week and that's that's very low for the south
32:03
Speaker 3: right now i mean i was looking at it before
32:04
Speaker 3: we got on this call and we're looking at highs
32:07
Speaker 3: in the upper 80s some lows in the upper 60s
32:10
Speaker 3: to low 70s so i just don't think you're going
32:12
Speaker 3: to see a whole lot of daylight movement there's a
32:14
Speaker 3: lot of things changing right now there's some crops coming
32:16
Speaker 3: out if where we're hunting there's a lot of winter
32:18
Speaker 3: wheat going in so it's starting to kind of poke
32:21
Speaker 3: and so we actually went and hung a trail camera
32:25
Speaker 3: on another bedding area location. This is right off the
32:27
Speaker 3: edge of a big destination wheat fields, but I think
32:31
Speaker 3: you gotta be tight to bedding right now. And you're
32:34
Speaker 3: probably going to have some light and variable winds, which
32:36
Speaker 3: is super annoying. And I just don't think they're going
32:39
Speaker 3: to move a whole lot. So you're gonna have to
32:41
Speaker 3: be tight to where they're bedding. I think they're going
32:42
Speaker 3: to be moving really close to daylight and dark. I mean,
32:45
Speaker 3: it's 86, 87 degrees. That's not, that's not the weather
32:49
Speaker 3: you dream of as a bow hunter. That's when you,
32:51
Speaker 3: cancel your PTO request and go back to work. Yeah.
32:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, you know, with that being said on a
32:57
Speaker 1: scale one to 10, where do you, where do you
32:59
Speaker 1: put it? 10 being the absolute best week of the year.
33:01
Speaker 1: One being not, not excited at all.
33:05
Speaker 5: It's going to be in that two or three range.
33:07
Speaker 5: It's going to be pretty low.
33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:09
Speaker 5: It could happen, but I wouldn't be pumped about it.
33:12
Speaker 1: For people who have time, what would you say? Would
33:15
Speaker 1: you say go hunt, tight to bedding hope for the
33:17
Speaker 1: best would it be to scout would it be to
33:18
Speaker 1: move around cameras what do you think would be the
33:21
Speaker 1: best use of time over the next seven days.
33:22
Speaker 3: I'd be looking for some for fresh shine um and
33:26
Speaker 3: and stuff that's tight in bedding um so you're seeing
33:30
Speaker 3: some scrapes popping up that buck had a bunch of
33:32
Speaker 3: cedar in his brow so they're they're obviously laying down
33:35
Speaker 3: rubs um and and that sort of thing and like
33:37
Speaker 3: i said there's a lot of food changing like down
33:39
Speaker 3: here and i shot that buck in oklahoma but in
33:41
Speaker 3: central texas i got six live oaks in my backyard
33:43
Speaker 3: and they're just raining right now Um, I'm sure some
33:47
Speaker 3: white Oaks, post Oaks, that sort of stuff are, are
33:49
Speaker 3: dropping as well. So I'd be looking for, you know,
33:52
Speaker 3: food source sign, but all of that tight to bedding.
33:55
Speaker 3: If I found sign that was 500 yards off of
33:58
Speaker 3: bedding area, I wouldn't even put any pain in mind
34:00
Speaker 3: to it at this point. He's not going to get
34:02
Speaker 3: there before dark. So I'd be looking for fresh sign
34:04
Speaker 3: near bedding probably or food.
34:06
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Anything else that you can think of?
34:09
Speaker 1: I mean, we're, it's like, um, October low is, uh, it's, uh,
34:15
Speaker 1: a very combative statement. Like some people are like, ah,
34:18
Speaker 1: you know, it's, it's, you know, you can still kill them.
34:21
Speaker 1: And there's research that shows that activity only gets better
34:23
Speaker 1: throughout October. And then there's other people with a lot
34:25
Speaker 1: of experience and maybe even a touch of gray hair that, uh,
34:28
Speaker 1: say good days are coming. Uh, just, just be patient.
34:31
Speaker 1: Where do you fall in that camp?
34:34
Speaker 3: I don't call it the October law. I call it
34:35
Speaker 3: the October hot. I mean, if it's hot, I'm not,
34:38
Speaker 3: I'm not too excited about the hunting. If it was
34:41
Speaker 3: October 12th and it was, a 50 degree cold front.
34:43
Speaker 3: I don't care what they say about GPS collars or
34:45
Speaker 3: the lull. I'm going to be in a tree and
34:47
Speaker 3: I expect to see some deer movement, but all weather dependent, man. Um,
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Speaker 3: as there, I just think it's 86 degrees is a
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Speaker 3: tough time to be a deer moving around. So I wouldn't,
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Speaker 3: I just, with the weather, I wouldn't be worried about
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Speaker 3: the lull, but, uh, I think you're going to see some,
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Speaker 3: if you believe in the lull, you're going to see
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Speaker 3: some lull type movement in the next seven days. Probably
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Speaker 3: cameras are probably going to die.
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Speaker 1: Um, so yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I like it. Well, congratulations once again, Christian. And
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Speaker 1: if people want to follow along, you have a podcast,
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, where is the best place for them to
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Speaker 1: follow along with everything that you have going?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we're a, we're a hunter's advantage on all platforms, Instagram, Facebook, uh, YouTube,
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Speaker 3: all that stuff.
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Speaker 5: So you can find us there.
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Speaker 3: Awesome.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Congratulations once again. Thanks man. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: there you guys have it. I hope you guys enjoyed
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Speaker 1: this week's episode of Rut Fresh. Next time you'll hear
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