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Talks to the wonderful Jo Short about her choice of Sleep No More · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a Blump Pen Knife for doing quicker, quicker,
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  quicker. Welcome back to A Hamster with a
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  Blump and Knife the Doctor Who Commentary Podcast.
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  I am joined today by a hamster virgin but no stranger to the
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  hamster community, the Glorious Joe Short.
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  Say hello, Joe. Hello Joe.
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  And as a small caveat, we're going to say straight away that
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  Joe's in the library and there's a little shit outside the door
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  she's in banging on it and you might hear him every now and
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  again, even though we're going to try and scare him with the
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  monsters in this episode. His mother has hopefully dragged
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  him away and oh God, and hopefully not beating him to
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  death. It's what I would have done.
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  But no, he's gone now. Hopefully so.
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  The joys of Public Library. SO this appearance on Hanson has
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  been a long time coming. It has, we've been saying for
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  for God's it probably, and it might be a year, you know.
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  It probably is actually a year or so, yeah.
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  Well, before we talk about the episode or anything else, can I
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  say one thing to you, please? Thank you very much because
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  you've been a supporter of this podcast for a long, long time
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  now. You've generated a shit ton of
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  positivity in the community around it.
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  You've engaged on most episodes. Like, honestly, you've been
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  incredible. So thank you very much.
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  You're welcome. That's very good.
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  It makes my day. You've been part of the hand
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  fan. Really.
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  So you're the only one who puts up with my filth and celebrates
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  it. Everyone else tells me off.
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  I know. I just think I can be.
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  I I'm one of those sort of quiet people who surprised people with
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  how filthy they can be. I was already talking.
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  Well, we're about the fella in this episode.
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  Oh dear me, yes. So could you tell me please,
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  because you've done 2 two other podcasts already, haven't you?
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  So if people should wish to explore you elsewhere, forgive
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  my phraseology, there where they would need to go.
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  Right. The first one I did was Jason
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  Miller's Doctor Who Literature. Yeah, because of technical
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  issues, but sure, it's purely my fault is about the short one on
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  the target. Of the Monster of Peladon, but
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  the competent one. When I got a laptop is Dave with
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  Dave Rennie. I did a kettle and a piece of
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  string. We did the Time Warrior, which
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  was great fun, a wonderful story as well.
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  I love poetry. Well, you and I are going to be
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  embarking on Perry in the future, aren't we?
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  We are. I did.
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  He was my first doctor. He's still probably my favorite,
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  at least probably classic Doctor.
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  So who's your favorite new DO Doctor then?
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  Go Mr. Capaldi. Yeah, I knew that was coming,
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  but you know, that's not a popular answer.
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  And the weird thing was he got he was the one who got, you
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  know, everyone says, oh one minute he became Doctor Who.
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  Everyone's. I stopped watching.
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  I'm the complete opposite. He was the reason I got.
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  Back into Doctor Who? Well, had you not watched it
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  before then? Then they serious.
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  I had, you know, I'd had and I sort of like watched it and then
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  I think I just don't. Matt Smith just doesn't do it
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  for me. Oh Joe, thank God I found you.
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  I know. I don't know.
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  He's perfectly fine. I can understand why the people
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  love him. I just don't.
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  He just. I just don't.
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  He just doesn't do anything for me.
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  I just don't. I don't know what it is about
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  it. I just don't know.
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  And then I sort of like I used to work for blockbusters for
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  years. So I got There's a name I've not
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  heard for a while. Well, I can tell you what, I got
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  my e-mail read out on the Big Finish podcast on Sunday because
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  they were talking about me winding videos.
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  So I emailed them. I used to work at Blockbusters
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  and we hated people on TV and they read it out, which was
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  hysterical. And I confess something to you
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  then. Yeah, I was a bugger for that.
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  Not rewinding, though. I'm so sorry.
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  You weren't anywhere near Crawley, were you?
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  I wasn't near Crawley, thank you.
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  Oh, at least I wasn't winding you up because.
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  We had these little machines. You had to stick them in.
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  You rewinding there. Oh God, yeah.
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  So blockbuster videos, you know? Yeah, that was my job.
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  Yeah. No.
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  So I used to. I watched it.
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  I used to work. I used to work Saturdays as
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  well. So I never really used to watch
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  Short To Who live. And then I got in a bit looking
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  at. I watched the Echo stands.
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  I watched most of the. I think I'm watching all of the
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  tenants. Then Matt Smith came along.
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  Just thought I don't know but then I think it's just you and
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  me you know that's not that's not true that I think.
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  I think there there's it's as divisive as Cabaldi.
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  Yeah, it's just that. And it's just like, I just don't
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  like the him. Don't ask anything.
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  We started about the runny ponds.
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  Oh, I don't think we must do one of those, you know, in the
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  future. Just.
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  Say I'm a little bullet in. No, I mean I know, like Fraser
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  loves Matt Smith and I love Fraser, but I just don't.
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  But when I heard Capaldi was on because I thought he's a great,
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  I love the thick of it, I love him.
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  And I just thought, this is interesting and it's just, I
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  just thought, you know, you know, so he was the one who got
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  me back in. And I'm probably very rare in,
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  you know, there's not many of us who would say that.
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  But I mean, I think I think there's again, because I've had
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  Margaret Manis, Dylan Reese, enough people come on here and
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  say that Kapoor is their favorite.
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  What was it about his doctor then that you really like?
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  I love it because you can see every other single doctor in him
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  and it's like little flashes of it's something he does, the way
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  he looks, something he says. But all the other doctors, you
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  actually believe that he is the 12th of the same person because
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  little things he does, little gestures little.
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  And I don't know if it's him or the scriptwriters or a
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  combination of both, because you know how much he loves the show.
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  No, a lot of his, I think. I mean, I think it's in the
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  script sometimes, but a lot of it's probably him.
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  It's. Just that thing.
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  I mean there's this little bit. I love him.
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  I think it's in it's in here, it's in the Saigon, the first
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  Saigon episode. And it's when he, he rescues
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  Allsgood and he says hello. But the way he says it, it's
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  just like David Tennant. And it's really funny because
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  he's just like you can see that you know somewhere in, you know,
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  he's a completely different body and then you know, but.
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  At the core of what he is, it's the same person.
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  And I love that about him. And I just think, you know,
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  he's, you know, as always, say Grampy.
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  He's so old. I love that about him.
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  I love about. That's what I am.
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  I mean, I'm old, but I'm not grumpy, but I love, I love the
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  fact he's a bit acidic, you know, he's a bit nasty at times.
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  He's. Sarcastic and nasty.
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  And that's probably know he. Back to go, Well, that's what
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  everyone says about perch we which isn't, you know, it's true
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  up to a point. But then again, you look at some
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  of the other doctors and they're equally as we've not more.
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  Some of them just slap a smile on, you know, and they're quite
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  funny with it, but they're still appalling.
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  Yeah, I mean, as I, you know, I can do.
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  I'm not. I've tried to be nice, but
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  sometimes I just do that old dot, you know?
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  We all have. We all have our moments.
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  You. Speak your mind, you just go.
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  Oh God, no. Well, you bite you little bit.
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  But like, he has some lines. So today we're talking about
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  sleeping and more and more on that.
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  In a second he has he has a line in this one that made me how
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  where he goes. What is it?
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  Look, I'm the Doctor, all right? I name things, not you.
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  It's. Just so funny.
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  Yeah, it's the silurium. It's all over again.
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  That was a great line. Looking at I'm watching the side
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  Lurians at the moment. Oh my God, isn't baby Paul
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  Darrow adorable? Oh, he's gorgeous.
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  Gorgeous. I'll sit there going, Oh my
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  Lord. What battles me is he's not
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  camping it up in that. I'm so used to him, you know,
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  playing up to the camera. Oh, no, sort of.
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  I've only just got back. I've only, I'm like a bit like
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  Dave, Dave, Dave. For any.
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  I've only just got into Blake's 7.
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  I don't know how I missed watching it in the past.
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  Oh, you have got some gems coming up and so many Doctor Who
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  actors are in that. I know I'm not.
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  I've just done the I've done the first two seasons so far, so
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  some people would say you've hit the zenith, but I think three
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  and four are the best seasons, so.
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  I've got those to look forward to.
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  Can I? Oh, sorry, I was going to say,
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  can I ask you a question? So of all the Doctor Who
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  episodes in the new series now, I believe there's around 177
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  episodes now and I've only done about a third of them.
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  You could have chosen any number of human natures, midnights or
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  the like. Why did you choose Sleep Now?
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  Because I'm an awkward son. Also, I'm one of those people
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  that if everybody else likes something, I don't like it or I
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  don't. I won't watch it.
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  Just that shit. Custardness.
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  I'm a bit like that, you know? I'm a bit like that.
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  It's like, oh everyone, everyone know, I love this.
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  Everyone's seen it. I haven't.
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  Do you know what? Usually I'm like?
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  I'll wait till everyone stop talking about it and then I'll
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  watch it. You know, everyone was going to
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  be strange new worlds. It's amazing, that new Star Trek
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  show. And I thought, well, I'm not
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  going to watch that. And of course then I watched it
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  later on and it was great, but. No, I just don't.
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  I honestly think I don't understand the hatred for it.
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  Maybe hatred's a bad word. I just don't understand why
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  everybody doesn't like it to a really extreme some people to a
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  really extreme sort of end. And it's not the best Doctor,
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  it's not the best property, it's not the best new Doctor Who,
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  it's not the best Capaldi. But I think there's so many bits
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  in it that are really good because it's different, as we
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  were saying. Yeah.
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  It's very, very different. Yeah.
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  It's very different. Do you think there's this thing
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  in fandom where we like, OK, well this has all got a bit same
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  here, we want something a bit different and then the second
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  they give us something different.
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  We're going. What the hell is this?
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  Yeah. I know we're such a ohh God,
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  we're never bloody happy are we? That that is the problem.
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  In fact, you detailed it brilliantly before we started
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  recording where you and people don't like Mark Gates's stuff.
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  They don't like a pool do they don't like the era.
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  They don't like knew who, and it's sort of there is this this
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  section of fandom that just you cannot satisfy.
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  You get the feeling this went on from day one.
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  There's probably people who turned up, and I don't like
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  Cavemen. When do these Cavemen come?
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  Patrick Trout. Who's this?
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  Oh yeah, watching this. Yeah, not my doctor.
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  It's all to Earth. No, I'm out.
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  Not exactly. Yeah.
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  The Nmd's have been around, yeah.
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  They were probably literally. Be around for the minute you
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  know sort of chat and appeared the game who say it don't like
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  him. So I think it's like you say,
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  because we're contrary, but how do you fail with season nine
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  series 9? I like.
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  I quite like it. It's sort of like the awkward
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  middle child it is. Yeah, it is.
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  And they're trying to do sort of daring things.
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  They're doing a lot of two parters, aren't they?
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  And three parters. I know it's sort of like there's
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  a lot of people who said, you know, Clara should have gone in
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  last Christmas, so maybe she should have, you know, that
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  would have been a very good end for her story.
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  But so you just have to go. But I mean, I was like I was
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  saying, I really like the Zygone ones, the two parts.
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  And we enjoy that and sort of like.
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  You know any season that has sort of like heaven sends in it
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  can't feel bad. You cannot write it off.
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  I know you get rid of Clara. You know you can't have a
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  fabulous villainous Turner's Bonnie in that like on 2 Park
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  and he where she's having a great time.
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  Oh. My God, aren't they all?
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  It's sort of like, it's like Inferno all over again, isn't
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  it? It's like, oh, I can be evil in
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  this. I still cannot forgive her, you
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  know, if I'm murdering Jay Griffiths from Bugs.
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  Oh, no. Oh God, she.
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  I'll wait. I'll think about her.
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  I think she's the work experience person at you.
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  Well, she's having a bad week, she.
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  Doesn't seem to know what's going on.
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  If you got, it's a magician's apprentice.
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  Kate's got a gardening glass on, you know, She's got no idea
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  what's happening. I think you're at the work
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  experience just dragged you because you know.
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  You know, Osgood's not there anymore.
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  So I think, oh God, can we get someone from A10 pin agent?
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  And you've kind of got in nine, you've got Capody.
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  He sort of found his feet at this point and they're trying to
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  give him a lot more humor on top of a tank with electric guitar
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  and things like this. I know, I know it's oh God, I
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  don't, But I I consider it his midlife crisis period, you know,
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  but this, right? This the last thing I ever would
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  would be expected from Mark Gates because I think the one
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  thing he does extremely well is pastiches of Doctor Who so
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  Crimson or he's doing that sort of grotesque comedy horror that
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  Robert Holmes did so well in Idiot's Lantern.
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  He's doing like a celebrity historical.
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  He leans into that the. Robot show would sort of say
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  comical historical. Empress of Mars is basically the
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  Monster of Pelidon, but more fun.
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  But this is something really experimental and really
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  innovative. Which is why people hate.
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  Well, and that's what we said. This is the episode where
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  basically the entire universe is wiped out.
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  By my mucus, by by I boogers, I boogers.
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  What a way to go. I figured it could be renamed.
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  The doctor fails, you know. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what.
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  Should we go in and watch the thing?
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  Yes, wristwatch it. Yeah, Okay.
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  Oh, I'll see what. Come on, you cannot see him.
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  54321 Off we go. You must not watch this.
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  That's. Kelly Over.
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  Right. Turn it off.
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  Yeah. So what about Ray Shear Smith?
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  I like wish this. So have you seen inside #9?
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  I haven't. I've seen bits of it.
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  So I've seen him, mostly because I love the league of Gentlemen.
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  So I've seen him in that. I mean, he could turn his hand
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  to any character in that, can't he?
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  No. That's incredible.
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  So do you remember that posh housewife you played with Mark
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  Gates as a housekeeper? I love that there.
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  I've met so many women like that in my life.
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  So basically what he's saying at the beginning of this is a
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  warning because if we watch this, we're going to die.
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  Is that right? Oh Pretty Man.
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  Oh Chopra 28 Seven out of 10 Survival rating Survival.
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  Rating I star. That's what I give him.
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  Oh, he's very Does he die? Is the last one to die.
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  Isn't he? I think it's the last one, but
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  this is a really neat way of introducing each of the
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  characters does. This give you huge DS9 vibes, so
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  go on. In Polknore, where they go to
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  like the deserted space station, Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
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  And there's a lot of sort of running around dark corridors,
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  people being picked off 1 by 1. Do you know what you're
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  reminding me of as well? I don't know.
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  Have you ever read any of the BBC books?
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  Read some of them. Yes, there's one by Steve Cole
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  called 10 Little Aliens, which is sort of like a military.
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  Is it like, yeah, yeah, Christie, where everyone gets
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  popped off? Yeah, yeah.
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  And it feels very like this. And they do like an easy where
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  you get introduced to each of the characters and it's a bit
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  like this. What do you think of found
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  footage horror movies? Oh God.
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  Go back to my blockbuster The Days.
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  I remember watching The Blair Witch Project, which terrified
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  me because I don't do horror films and I had to leave the
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  Lights summer all night, the whole thing.
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  Or was there a particular moment?
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  Very end of it, if you remember the Oh yeah with the girl in the
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  corner. Yeah, you know, a bit I didn't
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  like was the hands on the 10th? Yeah, so horror films is not my
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  bag so but. I can, I recognize you.
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  I can see sort of, you know, recognize all the things you
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  says, like, you know, like, oh, there's a small group,
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  everyone's going to die. Well, then, does Horror Doctor
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  Who have the same effects on you?
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  Or because it's PG13 is it? I'm a little, you know, sort of
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  a bit older now. I wasn't that much young man.
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  It's just that, yeah, because it isn't that sort of horrific.
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  So I certainly like a visually interesting approach to doing a
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  Doctor Who story, isn't it? I Can you imagine it's in the
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  80s? It would be bright lights.
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  Oh God, it'd be just like, I don't like Jason Miller coming
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  after me, but it would just be like Warriors of the Deep.
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  Yeah, but I do like the fact that he narrates the story as
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  well as we're going through it. And there's there is a lot of
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  atmosphere here as well. You know, you don't know what's
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  going on, right? It's like, where is everybody?
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  It's the dark. It's just like everything, I
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  think. I love the fact also that their
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  captain is a Geordie. It's nice to have regional
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  accents and Dr. here, isn't it? Yeah.
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  And when they say basically no earlier, later on, it's like the
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  Indo Japanese Empire sort of thing, you know, that's very
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  interesting sort of concept, you know, in the future.
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  It's nice to know it's not a massive whitewash in the future,
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  isn't it? Absolutely, yes.
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  So yeah, I really, I I think it's very clever, the way we cut
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  between the POV shots of the characters and then the footage
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  from the cameras. I love this bit where he goes,
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  not everybody calls everything space.
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  It's like up yours Terry Nation have, you know, I've got a high
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  degree in space medicine. Exactly, isn't it?
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  It's basically I just think I'm just like no one.
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  Of course, everything space is like Joe, can I interest you in
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  some of these space pills? This one's bacon and eggs.
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  In fact, he has a couple of lines in this, doesn't he?
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  Where he's ripping at some of those sort of terribly
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  oldfashioned viewpoints of the future that they used to do in
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  classic. He's got a bit of Christmas back
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  as well, isn't he? Oh my God, I love him so much.
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  I'm not sure I could call him sexy, but.
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  I have a strange taste in Minjo, So don't we all.
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  Oh, it's just like it's like hello based on the siege time.
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  In fact, because he is sort of counting down some of the
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  cliches. I'm surprised he doesn't say
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  that, doesn't he? Lots of people in a confined
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  setting. Let's go.
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  It's. Like let everybody goes like,
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  oh, let's have the space fire once and come on that is no
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  coincidence that. He says tell me why.
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  Oh, I get a lot of that bit. We said he goes, Oh yeah, bit
• 21:51
  from Oliver goes go and set yourself.
• 21:56
  He loves throwing in pop culture references.
• 21:58
  He did it. Remember in Empress of Mars when
• 22:00
  he's got Bill saying every bloody movie?
• 22:06
  Yeah, I was. I remember watching the first
• 22:08
  one and I was just really aware of how interesting this looks.
• 22:12
  I do think as you go along you kind of get used to it so it
• 22:17
  loses its freshness a bit. And Joe, can I make one other
• 22:20
  criticism? At least it's like this.
• 22:25
  Looks like you know them, yeah. Is the the guest characters in
• 22:30
  this? They are.
• 22:33
  So they're well cast like most of the new series as well cast.
• 22:36
  But we don't really learn too much about them as we go along,
• 22:39
  do we not like you do with the best guest cast and dump two
• 22:43
  stories? So then again back in the you
• 22:46
  know that's the old sort of you can say is the problem of the
• 22:49
  new series because you only have that 45 minute episode or maybe
• 22:53
  like 2 parter you haven't got the time to not like in the
• 22:58
  original series. You know, you could have like 7
• 23:00
  episodes to get to know people you know.
• 23:05
  Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing?
• 23:06
  You don't know. It's just it's different, you
• 23:08
  know, I think you you can do it, can't you?
• 23:10
  In 45 minutes, But you've got to be very economic and quickly
• 23:14
  introducing people and establishing who they are.
• 23:17
  Do you remember in like haunting of Villa Diadata when you had
• 23:19
  that all those ones dancing around in that room and sort of
• 23:24
  all gossiping and bitching about each other?
• 23:25
  And very quickly you knew everybody was, but you've got to
• 23:28
  be really clever to do it have. You got something, you know,
• 23:31
  just hone in exactly on them. But you know, whereas you, you
• 23:35
  said you've been watching the solures, didn't you?
• 23:38
  And like you got someone like Doctor Lawrence, you've got six
• 23:40
  or seven episodes of that character where you can really
• 23:43
  get under his skin and and learn what he's all about.
• 23:49
  Oh, the view of the future is horrible, but as he says, bred
• 23:52
  in hatcheries. You could say this is very sort
• 23:56
  of like anti science really, because you got them, you got
• 24:00
  the clones, you got the. Whole Morpheus thing about
• 24:04
  basically, you know sleep doesn't make any money, so we're
• 24:09
  going to stop you sleeping so you can make us more money.
• 24:11
  He's chilling that idea, isn't it Of.
• 24:15
  Horrible. It's really good at all.
• 24:17
  So I love that bit where he says hold my hands and she goes, I'm
• 24:21
  not scared, he goes, We've come a long way, haven't we?
• 24:27
  What do you think? Do you think we're heading this
• 24:30
  way? Like do you think if somebody
• 24:31
  created this where you could get by without an amount of sleep?
• 24:37
  Because I just, I feel, I feel like we are at a point where
• 24:41
  sort of every second is valuable now.
• 24:48
  It's, you know, it's just terrifying.
• 24:50
  So really, sort of the. You know, if they, I bet you,
• 24:54
  you know there's some mad millionaire somewhere thinking,
• 24:57
  oh, that sounds like a good idea He's watching this going, oh,
• 25:01
  that's a good idea. Stop people sleeping.
• 25:04
  Just think, Joe. I didn't have the slave park and
• 25:06
  record podcasts for 24 hours a day.
• 25:10
  No, don't. It's terrified.
• 25:12
  There's an offcomer now. But then again, this goes back
• 25:16
  to like beginnings of science fiction.
• 25:18
  It's like it's Frankenstein. The guy in this is a
• 25:21
  Frankenstein. He's created, his doctor says
• 25:23
  he's created an abomination, is what these things are.
• 25:27
  I like the fact that also they have this bit about where they
• 25:30
  keeps mentioning the gods. That's quite an interesting
• 25:33
  thing. You know, every time they call
• 25:35
  each other and they go, May the gods have favor with you.
• 25:38
  It's just a little peak into. It's just a little peak into
• 25:41
  their society in that form in the future.
• 25:44
  But again, that's something you've got to do in 45 minutes,
• 25:46
  isn't it? To to suggest a wider universe.
• 25:51
  And he does it, you know, the fact you know they're all people
• 25:54
  of color. You know they've got the Indo
• 25:56
  Japanese. You know it's not, you said it's
• 25:58
  nice to have like, you know, not whole, you know, totally white
• 26:03
  cast or does he call in 474? They're just numbers.
• 26:08
  Yeah, the grunt is 474. Yeah.
• 26:11
  Hasn't even got a name. That's how you know.
• 26:13
  You know that's how the human. They're not.
• 26:15
  They're not human. They are basically, as I said,
• 26:17
  they're sort of. It's a cynical look at the
• 26:20
  future, Joe, isn't it? I think if you pair this up with
• 26:24
  something like oxygen, the future's not somewhere I'd want
• 26:27
  to be. If we're getting rid of sleep
• 26:33
  and we're paying, you know, we have to pay for oxygen, that we
• 26:36
  just need the one story now where people have to pay for
• 26:38
  sunlight, you know? Oh, so I love the fact you
• 26:44
  you've went off to a different color though.
• 26:46
  Yeah, you're going to die, right?
• 26:49
  Never split up. And I like about how they cut so
• 26:52
  they don't have to animate how she gets dragged in.
• 26:55
  No, she just goes, doesn't she? The tendrils they grabbed out of
• 26:57
  me like snakes. No, we didn't have to animate
• 27:00
  that. That's good.
• 27:01
  This was great. I thought this was really
• 27:03
  quirky. The 50s girls singing Mr.
• 27:06
  Sandman. Oh, you know, we could be a duo,
• 27:13
  you know, You ready? Hamster with a blunt pen knife?
• 27:20
  Yeah, me singing that. But you know, they do use the
• 27:24
  song brilliantly later when the fellas like it's trying to get
• 27:26
  in the door, isn't it? And the computers going sing the
• 27:29
  song and the monsters come in as well.
• 27:33
  That just shows why work parties are like bad idea.
• 27:36
  I can attest to that. But for.
• 27:41
  Other reasons? Oh, the regrets.
• 27:46
  You snob the wrong person in the back alley.
• 27:49
  And before you know it well, your reputation's in the gutter.
• 27:53
  Never. I mean, mom was never out the
• 27:56
  gutter, so don't worry about that, you know?
• 28:00
  What do you think about the Sonic Shades?
• 28:04
  Hello. All right.
• 28:05
  That's quite funny, really, aren't they?
• 28:08
  Midlife crisis, I'll tell you. Yeah.
• 28:11
  Hoodies. Shades.
• 28:12
  They'll have a motorbike next, yeah, I'd love that.
• 28:15
  You know, it became out the TARDIS it.
• 28:16
  Came out the TARDIS, so it comes out the times for the
• 28:21
  Harley-Davidson. This to me is, you know, like
• 28:23
  the whole thing about this series is clever.
• 28:26
  He's becoming the Doctor, yeah. This is another bit of it
• 28:30
  because she's like, you know, what's the Doctor do?
• 28:32
  He tries to talk to people. He doesn't shoot them.
• 28:34
  That's his whole thing. You know, He's talking, not
• 28:37
  fighting, that's. What she's doing there, she's
• 28:40
  doing a very doctory thing because she is basically trying
• 28:43
  to be the Doctor now, isn't she? She's becoming.
• 28:47
  Well, they're very. That's terrific.
• 28:50
  Yeah, the way it's and I like the bit as well where he goes.
• 28:52
  This is where I come in, really. Mr. Jack-in-the-box.
• 28:58
  Yeah, the the next episode is Face the Raven, isn't it?
• 29:01
  And obviously we really lean into that there where she's
• 29:04
  being. Yeah, she's playing about with
• 29:07
  Danger Clara. I mean, you know, it started
• 29:10
  really in flatline, didn't it? Where she basically says I am
• 29:12
  the doctor and then they even had that fucking nerve to put
• 29:17
  her in the title sequence as well.
• 29:21
  I'll tell you what, Moffetty loves putting my strings.
• 29:27
  Oh God, this is so. And then, look, I chose this
• 29:29
  very Pretty Woman to say this speech in in a very clear
• 29:33
  accent. We should basically think about
• 29:36
  it. It's like, Oh yeah, well, we
• 29:37
  could drug you up to keep you awake, but no, we're just going
• 29:40
  to stick waters in your head. I do not think this is
• 29:44
  implausible. I feel as if that technology
• 29:46
  existed. You know, you hear stories about
• 29:49
  people out in, people out in China and things like that, that
• 29:53
  spend sleep in their offices and just work themselves to death.
• 29:59
  You know, this is not a new thing.
• 30:00
  I mean basically during this, because my history had during
• 30:04
  the Second World War, most of the German army were basically
• 30:08
  high as a kite. They were basically being fed
• 30:11
  stimulants just to keep them going, you know.
• 30:14
  So this is not a new thing. It's probably not.
• 30:16
  It probably goes back into ancient history where they were,
• 30:19
  you know, they were giving some sort of like herb to people to
• 30:22
  keep them away, to make them better fighters and everything.
• 30:26
  It's just. This is much more sort of
• 30:29
  technologically based sort of thing, but it's nothing new.
• 30:33
  It's just the way they were that terms and conditions apply.
• 30:36
  Yeah, that's great. You know, it's a lot because I
• 30:41
  did the Crimson Aura the other day, right?
• 30:43
  He's a lot wittier than I've ever given him credit for Mark
• 30:45
  Gatis. You think that's so real, you
• 30:48
  know, looking in the back? You know, you look at all the
• 30:52
  stuff, he's up, you know, League of Gentleman, which is very, you
• 30:54
  know, that's funny, but it's exceptionally dark.
• 30:57
  Oh man, it's twisted. I love it.
• 30:59
  I know. I love it too.
• 31:00
  Do you remember when they they they take those animals and
• 31:04
  stitch them together? Oh.
• 31:07
  My God, what's you know, these. Oh God, They should be let out,
• 31:11
  those four, should they? They're very sick to little
• 31:15
  people, but the way their career is divided there and Shear Smith
• 31:20
  and God, what's his name? Pemberton did inside #9 and
• 31:24
  basically Gate is 1 and did Doctor Who in Sherlock.
• 31:29
  Yeah, usually they're two sorts of bits of the sort of where
• 31:34
  they started, went on, and yet both massively popular.
• 31:38
  You can't say either one, any of them.
• 31:41
  I like this because he goes. He's quite chuffed.
• 31:44
  Do you think that's clever, what you've done?
• 31:45
  He goes, yeah, but you're really fucked up.
• 31:49
  Nobody can do graveness like Capote.
• 31:52
  You've created an abomination. That's a very you can imagine.
• 32:00
  You imagine poetry saying that, can't you?
• 32:03
  Yeah, I think there's a lot of poetry in Capote's performance,
• 32:06
  you know, especially The Hair Come series 10.
• 32:09
  You fall. I mean the the the dress and
• 32:12
  everything sleep does to go look like.
• 32:14
  Is this a kidding face? No.
• 32:17
  So are we saying you could basically make a dog food
• 32:19
  monster out? Anything Shadows, statues, I
• 32:23
  boogers. I know that, you know, I just,
• 32:27
  yeah, basically I saw the monster suit that they had for
• 32:32
  this at the Doctor Who experienced in Cardiff.
• 32:35
  And I'm telling you now, they've done a great job directing it
• 32:37
  because it wasn't scary as hell in person.
• 32:41
  Was it Murka bad, or was it better than that I saw about
• 32:44
  this elongated mouth? Yeah, it looked a bit like the
• 32:47
  plasmatons. A bit like I saw a crusty turd,
• 32:50
  you know? Yeah, sorry.
• 32:54
  But I think I think they do a good enough job of giving you
• 32:57
  glimpses in this. Yeah, I like the body goes
• 33:00
  digested. That reminds me if you know that
• 33:02
  bit in into the Dalek where he says watch out.
• 33:05
  She did it on the top later, so talk.
• 33:10
  Talk about dark. Yeah, we could be very dark
• 33:12
  about basically deaths currently.
• 33:14
  So it's like, yeah, it is, but like, Colin Baker could be like
• 33:20
  that as well. You're right.
• 33:21
  You know what? There's so much of every Doctor
• 33:22
  in him. That's what I said.
• 33:24
  That's why I love him so much. That's why I said there's so
• 33:26
  much you can see. That's why he's like the he's
• 33:30
  like every bit. You get every bit of who and you
• 33:32
  like, squish them all together and you're like, that's why I
• 33:36
  love him. So that's the sort of sarcasm.
• 33:38
  I think Davidson could be extremely sarcastic.
• 33:42
  And he's got he's a bit Machiavellian as well when he
• 33:44
  likes to Esther McCoy. And Trouten was very like,
• 33:48
  Everyone thinks Trouten sort of like lovely and you know, cuddly
• 33:51
  and everything, but he can be a bugger at times and all so.
• 33:55
  That's why I do think that he's so good because he knows the he
• 33:59
  knows the history. You know he was a fan.
• 34:01
  You see those brilliant pictures of him with like Tom and like
• 34:05
  John poetry. He's got the biggest grin in the
• 34:08
  world and he know you know he's this is this is as I've said
• 34:13
  before this is the role he's wanted to do all his life.
• 34:19
  Did you did you hear about what happened with Capote and The
• 34:24
  Husbands of River Song? So essentially the that was
• 34:30
  where he was going to bow out. That was going to be Stephen
• 34:32
  Moffitt's last story. I think the BBC lost faith in
• 34:36
  this era and effectively the next season, the Chris Chibnall
• 34:42
  season was going to kick in there.
• 34:43
  But he was doing broad search. So they did serious sense.
• 34:46
  So they had, they basically said to Capote, you're out and then
• 34:49
  they said no way we need to do another season and you're
• 34:51
  contractually obliged. So you're going to do it.
• 34:55
  And I think This is why Peter is a bit reluctant 1 to come back
• 35:00
  and two, to be honest, to talk about it.
• 35:03
  No, I don't. I don't either.
• 35:05
  There's been some things that come out in the BBC about him
• 35:08
  that I ohh not nice ohh tell me. Yeah.
• 35:13
  And I was just thinking, you don't do that, I mean.
• 35:18
  Hopefully he might change his mind, I would like to think, but
• 35:21
  he doesn't need to. He's got nothing to prove to
• 35:23
  anybody. He's a prestige talent.
• 35:26
  He's probably the most talent, yeah.
• 35:29
  He's got a bloody Oscar, He's got Bafta's.
• 35:32
  He doesn't need your shit. I think when people react to him
• 35:38
  giving interviews, saying about, you know, how cheap the sits
• 35:40
  were, things like that, I think he's a bit miffed and he's got
• 35:43
  every right to be. He's got.
• 35:44
  Absolutely. Every right to be because
• 35:45
  everyone says like oh, you know you get you get people from the
• 35:48
  BBC saying oh we don't think he was very good, fuck you, you
• 35:55
  know fuck you BBC. You know, we don't want to do,
• 36:01
  you know? You know you don't want to do to
• 36:03
  him what they did to Colin. You know, the God Colin came
• 36:06
  back effectively what they were going to do, they sacked him
• 36:09
  effectively. And it's only the fact that the
• 36:14
  chippers wasn't ready that that he had that chance to bow out
• 36:17
  with a regeneration story. Although, you know, had it been
• 36:21
  the end that bit with the happily ever after in human
• 36:23
  river love that ended? I do love that, Sonia.
• 36:28
  But then again, season 10 was brilliant as well.
• 36:31
  You'd never have Bill. Oh, OK, imagine so this one.
• 36:35
  Season companions, you know, they're the best.
• 36:37
  Donna, Bill, Martha. They're all my favorites.
• 36:41
  Yes, yeah. Oh God, he's just got eaten.
• 36:46
  That's because I love. He's going, he's going, Mr.
• 36:49
  Sammon, bring me a dream. This is so horror, isn't it?
• 36:54
  Wow. Right now.
• 36:56
  I'm safe. I'm safe.
• 36:57
  I'm safe. Oh, look, I'm all right.
• 36:59
  I'll get to find you now. And they're all locked out.
• 37:03
  Monster it. Was the 1st, Yeah.
• 37:10
  Do you know? Honestly, I'm being genuine.
• 37:12
  When I was out, I was very surprised at how good this was.
• 37:16
  I know. I don't think I rated it very
• 37:18
  much either. No, I know I didn't.
• 37:20
  I think it's probably one of those that you do have to watch
• 37:23
  again. You know, it's when so much is
• 37:25
  happening. I think it's one of those well
• 37:27
  as well. I think you know, me and my back
• 37:30
  is sort of a bit campier, sort of heightened Doctor Who,
• 37:33
  whereas this is quite serious, this story.
• 37:36
  Yeah, there weren't many laughs. A lot of a lot of murder, but
• 37:41
  not a lot of laughs. That's so dark to go.
• 37:44
  She don't have the authority? No, I'm in charge.
• 37:49
  Marty's bloke in the room. Me.
• 37:52
  Well, I must have the other thing as well.
• 37:53
  Like Pertwig, Capody knows he's the smartest bloke in the room,
• 37:56
  didn't he? So I do like as well the Erasmus
• 38:03
  here, they call him out, don't they?
• 38:05
  Before the end of the episode and say, you know, this was your
• 38:08
  plan all along, wasn't it? Was to, was it to what?
• 38:11
  To take the Book of Monsters away with them.
• 38:13
  Yeah, because basically it's one of those he's one very, very
• 38:17
  long line of. People who decided to side with
• 38:21
  the aliens against humanity and it never goes well, that's
• 38:25
  right, he said. Then they say they spoke to me.
• 38:27
  The voice is in my head. That's never a good sign.
• 38:34
  Yeah, look, they are. They are expertly keeping those
• 38:37
  costumes out of short. They probably go, Oh yeah,
• 38:42
  remember what we is of the day. Remember what?
• 38:44
  That lucky. I meant the ghost.
• 38:47
  Poor slop. Like, let's keep the lights off.
• 38:50
  Have you ever had much of A fear of sleep buggers?
• 38:54
  No. But you know what?
• 38:55
  I was watching this this morning, right?
• 38:57
  I rubbed my eye and a little bit came out and I went, oh God,
• 39:02
  it's going to get me. But it is doing that Muffety
• 39:07
  thing of something that you, you know, like shadows, like
• 39:12
  statues, you rub your eyes every day and some of that stuff comes
• 39:15
  out, doesn't. It you suddenly think, oh, how
• 39:19
  much of that over a lifetime, enough to make one of those
• 39:23
  monsters? And I know.
• 39:25
  And then, because he's compressed sleep, you're getting
• 39:28
  all that sleep in one go. Bigger monsters.
• 39:33
  It's clever. It's clever, yeah.
• 39:37
  No, I'm no, I'm not online. We have to go after them, the
• 39:45
  doctor says. Don't be ridiculous.
• 39:53
  What the hell are those noises? Oh, they're in a larder, that's
• 39:56
  why. It's about to go.
• 39:58
  Did you see that? Big saw?
• 39:59
  Massive hacksaw, Yeah? Oh God.
• 40:02
  Yeah, that car that could have come in quite handy though, you
• 40:04
  know? Back away at that booger
• 40:07
  monster. I can't stop calling them
• 40:09
  boogers. That's what they are.
• 40:12
  That's what. They are, yeah.
• 40:16
  Oh, listen to him. He's doing that melancholy.
• 40:17
  All those sad songs, Clara. All those lullabies.
• 40:22
  Filthy stupid humans. That's a great line.
• 40:30
  Listen to that. It's an inconvenience to be
• 40:32
  bartered away. Sleep.
• 40:34
  And I think we would, we would if we could.
• 40:38
  I mean people, you know, the people you know everyone feels
• 40:40
  like when they can't sleep or if you get you know you have tail
• 40:44
  with me, don't sleep how bad it is for.
• 40:46
  And I have insomnia, so I'm up every night.
• 40:49
  So if I get, if I sort of only have 4 hours, I'll get a bit
• 40:53
  irrational and emotional, you know?
• 40:58
  Yeah, stop that. Yeah, Stop.
• 41:01
  Stop getting all poetic, mate. What we're going to do.
• 41:04
  The dialogue is so much stronger than I remember it being because
• 41:10
  I do think Gates is. I mean, I do.
• 41:11
  I do like his script. It's a lot better than others.
• 41:14
  I do think he can write very functional dialogue.
• 41:17
  I just think this is a bit of cut above.
• 41:21
  I'm hoping, Joe, we're going to convince people to go back and
• 41:23
  give this another go. I hope so too.
• 41:26
  So even though we're just going to get people going.
• 41:29
  They're they're bonkers. Oh, cutie, no, don't go down
• 41:39
  there. You're too cute to die.
• 41:47
  And you know what? They finally done that thing.
• 41:49
  Because I was watching one the other day, right?
• 41:51
  Where, you know, when people talk to each other on screens,
• 41:54
  but they never look at the camera that would be above the
• 41:56
  screen. They always look like as if
• 41:57
  they're looking straight into the screen, where they put the
• 42:00
  camera in a place there where you can actually look straight
• 42:02
  at the person. The eye line is right.
• 42:07
  I know it's a little detail, but it does irritate me.
• 42:17
  I'm surprised there wasn't more of that sort of blare, which you
• 42:19
  know when the camera sort of wobbles about all over the place
• 42:22
  and and you're a bit disoriented, it's quite steady.
• 42:26
  Well, it was you just had the bit where they turn off the
• 42:28
  grass shield and it does the Star Trek wobbly activity.
• 42:34
  I love the fact he doesn't notice what she said.
• 42:38
  Don't have helmet cameras. It's like I'll just go on, don't
• 42:47
  they? So.
• 42:48
  Suggest later on, though, isn't what we're looking for.
• 42:51
  It's the dust. It's not the people's eyes,
• 42:53
  Yeah, because the dust is like everywhere.
• 42:58
  I thought I can. I always thought Rasmussen was
• 43:00
  in that first of all. That reminds me so much of
• 43:03
  remembers the Daleks as well. But I thought that was how he
• 43:06
  got round the station. I thought it was him.
• 43:08
  I thought it was a scientist in there going around, so you know,
• 43:13
  to stop them seeing him. It's like the song ba ba ba ba
• 43:18
  ba ba ba. Oh, come on, it's like the site
• 43:28
  lure is all over again. I'm glad somebody said.
• 43:31
  Oh no, he does say it in the Sea Devils, doesn't he?
• 43:33
  He goes. It's a misnomer, yeah, and
• 43:36
  that's wrong as well, I believe. Did you hear that he goes?
• 43:41
  You said it when 1.83 minutes ago and it's.
• 43:53
  Like there's been. There's obviously a lot of
• 43:56
  running around, but there hasn't actually been a great deal for
• 43:58
  Clara's too, because I think the Doctors got all the best lines.
• 44:02
  Like, I know Clara wasn't supposed to be in this season.
• 44:04
  I think sometimes you can tell she's been inserted into an
• 44:07
  episode. I wonder if that's why we got
• 44:13
  the evil Bonnie, you know, because Clara was never really
• 44:15
  supposed to be in that as I gone too far.
• 44:17
  So they write her out an episode while then bring in.
• 44:21
  Evil Jenna Coleman, Yeah. Then again, it could have been
• 44:24
  like the the scheduling, you know, like they the Doctor light
• 44:28
  episodes, so they have them somewhere else, you know, so.
• 44:32
  That's true. Yeah.
• 44:34
  Oh, there we go. They're blind, right?
• 44:37
  Aren't they? No.
• 44:38
  They. Yeah.
• 44:39
  They say they're blind, yeah, but they must be able to hear
• 44:42
  because it goes quiet. And also later in the bit later
• 44:44
  on they get distracted by the holograms.
• 44:48
  They can. Obviously they're blind, but
• 44:50
  they can here because otherwise they wouldn't be able to find
• 44:54
  people. So I was trying to think that I
• 44:57
  got a bit confused with that I was going whether they smell.
• 45:02
  I booked monsters with a keen sense of smell do.
• 45:07
  You know what this does remind me of?
• 45:08
  Actually, I don't know if I'm mad.
• 45:10
  This really reminds me of of an 80s Eric's Award.
• 45:13
  Doctor Who. It's serious.
• 45:15
  It's a bit macho. It's a lot of.
• 45:20
  Yeah, there's not too much comedy in it.
• 45:22
  There's a little bit, but not too much.
• 45:25
  But also there's a there's a big bold idea.
• 45:28
  It's hard. And a lot of those eighty
• 45:30
  stories do have big, strong science fiction concepts as
• 45:33
  well. But it's done with a budget, you
• 45:36
  know, And they turn the lights down.
• 45:45
  We Clara tiptoeing about. See.
• 45:50
  Look beyond sort of running away from the monsters.
• 45:53
  Now This is why you need that big twist at the end, because
• 45:57
  what else can we do Now, in this episode, they run away, they get
• 46:00
  in the TARDIS, they blow the ship off, you know?
• 46:03
  Well, that's just your bug Standard and scifi, isn't it?
• 46:07
  Yeah. Hey, we won.
• 46:11
  Or so we thought, 447. 40 Doesn't she say?
• 46:20
  Does she say something about being pretty?
• 46:25
  Yeah. But again, like this is all this
• 46:31
  whole narrative that we've been watching is what's his name,
• 46:36
  Rasmussen? Is that his name?
• 46:39
  Rasmussen? Yes.
• 46:40
  Yeah, it's been him creating this narrative to keep us
• 46:44
  entertained whilst this thing infects us.
• 46:47
  Yeah, it's basically just to keep us looking.
• 46:50
  Even though he said, like, I found all this stuff, this is
• 46:55
  what happened. Watch this.
• 46:57
  And we're going, oh, we want to know what happened.
• 47:00
  But the fact that we want to know what happened is what is
• 47:05
  going to get us in the end. It's all curious.
• 47:08
  It's our curiosity. And it's like the doctor's
• 47:12
  curious because it's like, you know, he wants to know what's
• 47:15
  going on. We all want to know what's going
• 47:17
  on. And it's that curiosity that is
• 47:19
  going to be our downfall when you think about it.
• 47:22
  Love the fact that he has that line about, you know, you
• 47:25
  thought this was an alibi, but it's not.
• 47:27
  It was a plan. But that's that's a good line at
• 47:30
  the end where you suddenly go, oh shit, what's going on?
• 47:37
  Here's a doctor say, right, there's a doctor explaining that
• 47:39
  there's footage of everybody. So this explains how this could
• 47:42
  come to be, but as well. Like he knows that we like her,
• 47:46
  you know? A good scary story as well.
• 47:50
  So he's put it together in a way where once we started watching,
• 47:53
  we ain't going to turn off because we want to see you
• 47:55
  survive. It's a mystery as well it is.
• 47:58
  It's like a horror mystery. It's like, you know, we've got
• 48:01
  to be evil, but we want to know what we it's like, well, what
• 48:03
  what the hell is happening? Who is doing?
• 48:05
  He said. Who's done?
• 48:06
  It really is. Who's going to survive?
• 48:08
  You know? It is a combination of quite a
• 48:11
  few things. You know you got the.
• 48:12
  Same it's it's our curiosity and our thrill seeking.
• 48:17
  That is our downfall. Exactly.
• 48:24
  Oh, look at that. Him talking about him talking
• 48:27
  about with all the mirrors going backwards, That's really clever.
• 48:31
  That reminds me of that bit in Spaceballs.
• 48:32
  Do you Have you seen that? I can't remember.
• 48:37
  Yeah, so. He pauses the movie after I saw
• 48:39
  the movie and he says This Is Us in the movie now at this point,
• 48:43
  you know? I'm not cleverer than people
• 48:48
  Give it credit. See, It's Clara.
• 49:00
  She still thinks there's a way out of this, and actually the
• 49:02
  only way out is for them to duck out the story.
• 49:07
  Yeah, but he's got, she's got faith in the Doctor, so and
• 49:11
  we've all got faith in the Doctor cuz he's the man who
• 49:13
  serves everything. And that's her downfall in the
• 49:16
  next one because she takes on that tattoo.
• 49:19
  And says, yeah, I know you're going to be able to save me.
• 49:22
  Don't worry. No.
• 49:25
  Yeah, no. And she's cuz she wants.
• 49:27
  She's becoming the doctor. She's taking more and more of
• 49:31
  his characteristic. She thinks she's gonna solve
• 49:35
  everything. But anyway, this is good because
• 49:38
  it shows that he doesn't. You know, she should have looked
• 49:40
  and we didn't solve it last time, mate.
• 49:44
  Weirdly enough, the season makes the decision.
• 49:47
  Instead of punishing her for that sort of arrogance, it
• 49:51
  actually makes her the Doctor, and she goes off in the TARDIS
• 49:54
  in the end. Very strange ending, Joe.
• 50:01
  You know that. Yeah, should have crashed her
• 50:05
  into the 1st and create the dinosaurs again.
• 50:10
  Send her down with Andric. There's that coffin again.
• 50:12
  I'm getting remembrance of the Daleks, Vibes from that.
• 50:15
  You know it's a bit Castro velvet.
• 50:20
  Isn't that what they carry him about?
• 50:23
  It's the Zero Cabinet. Yeah.
• 50:28
  If it's not the Sandman, then who is it?
• 50:30
  So we're still doing mysteries. I have an idea, A very nasty
• 50:36
  idea. Then again, it's very
• 50:40
  scooby-doo. It's just like Professor
• 50:43
  Rasmussen. They should have done a reveal
• 50:49
  for you pesky kids. Pesky but cute kids.
• 51:00
  How do you feel about the imminent destruction of the
• 51:03
  entire universe happening because the Doctor failed to
• 51:06
  save the day? A bit miffed.
• 51:12
  Look, we've been watching this, all right?
• 51:14
  We're we're I oh, we're doomed. I love Joe.
• 51:18
  We're doomed. Yeah, I'm going to say it again.
• 51:27
  I'm going to say it again. We are just doing a lot of
• 51:30
  running around now and I think that might be some people's
• 51:34
  objection that that the sort of the middle 20 minutes, it is
• 51:38
  just the same thing happening over and over again.
• 51:41
  Monsters corridors, a few lines, Monsters corridors, a few lines.
• 51:47
  Maybe that's people's problem with this.
• 51:48
  This could have been six episodes.
• 51:52
  Yeah, Jesus mentioned that. Imagine that.
• 51:59
  But when they do sign the length of 6 episodes now like the you
• 52:03
  could say Face the Raven Heaven, The Scent Hell Bent is the
• 52:07
  length of a six parter. They sort of switch it out the
• 52:11
  night from one episode to another.
• 52:13
  You couldn't drag 6 episodes out of this.
• 52:22
  Oh this is it. This is where he admits it.
• 52:25
  There's no point. See, I've heard people say that
• 52:28
  he's miscast, but I didn't think he was.
• 52:30
  I thought he was pretty good. Yeah, sure, he's good actually,
• 52:34
  you know, probably going we have.
• 52:35
  He's only in it cuz he's Mark Gatiss, his mate.
• 52:38
  And he's he's a respected actor. Oh my God.
• 52:42
  Yeah, so. Did you ever see him in the BBV
• 52:45
  adventures? He's an awesome and he's in the
• 52:53
  Devil of Winterborne. You know he gets his cock out
• 52:55
  and out. I couldn't believe it.
• 52:58
  Yeah, there was nothing to shout him about.
• 53:00
  I'll tell you. Sorry re shit, Smith.
• 53:06
  I was young when I watched that, all right?
• 53:09
  And impressionable. Oh God, it's like this.
• 53:12
  Terrible, terrible videos we used to went to blockbusters
• 53:17
  like softcore porn. Oh dear me, you had softcore?
• 53:20
  Porn or blockbusters, yeah. It wasn't really.
• 53:24
  It was never 18. It wasn't like hard cut.
• 53:26
  It was like the base of them were like terrible, like rip
• 53:30
  offs of it was like the Erotic Witch Project and stuff like
• 53:36
  that. Oh God, they were bad.
• 53:37
  I'll tell you. The one I always remember was
• 53:39
  because it was one. It was called Mistress of
• 53:41
  Frankenstein and they had a pants of my horse in it.
• 53:47
  No, they wasn't doing anything sexual, but it's something like
• 53:49
  I just now I just thought, well, they obviously couldn't afford a
• 53:52
  horse. Yeah, I've got a B movie on my
• 53:55
  show called Nymphoid, Barbarian and Dinosaur.
• 53:57
  Hell, I want to tell you what she's up to.
• 54:01
  All right. Yeah, there's none of that
• 54:09
  malarkey going on here, but I do like it when the rugs pulled out
• 54:15
  from under the doctor. Yes.
• 54:17
  You think you're so smart, mate? He's usually a little ahead,
• 54:20
  isn't he? Yeah, And maybe that's what
• 54:24
  people don't like. It is because they don't like
• 54:27
  the Doctor to win. Yeah, they don't like him
• 54:31
  losing. So did.
• 54:33
  You remember what he said there? He said that Coffin's patient
• 54:36
  zero. Well, the 0 imperative was a.
• 54:41
  Mark Gate is written BBV Adventure all about Patient
• 54:44
  Zero. I think he's even referencing
• 54:46
  that. Have you ever seen Lost in
• 54:50
  Space? Because I've got it.
• 54:53
  Lost in Space is one of my absolute guilty pleasures.
• 54:57
  Oh, I've got, I've got it downloaded.
• 54:59
  I have to. I'm gearing myself up to watch
• 55:01
  it. Oh my God.
• 55:02
  Sophie Aldrin. Katie Manning Girl power.
• 55:05
  It's it's incredible. Yes.
• 55:09
  Quite different from this, you know.
• 55:11
  Does he look a bit like? No.
• 55:16
  Yeah, the cost. The costume is not he's very
• 55:19
  not. He's very so.
• 55:21
  Dissimilar, Yeah. Oh no.
• 55:23
  Now they're showing those dreadful costumes.
• 55:25
  So you can actually see the costume now.
• 55:28
  It is very Plasmaton, isn't it? It is very sort of.
• 55:33
  It looks more solid than you'd think.
• 55:36
  Yeah. They look, they're really cool.
• 55:38
  When they start to sort of, you know, turn to dust, that looks
• 55:42
  very dust. Yeah, I think they just, they
• 55:43
  look a bit too solid. I don't they have to be solid
• 55:46
  otherwise, you know, you couldn't wear them.
• 55:48
  But I mean, nowadays they probably CGI them, wouldn't they
• 55:53
  say? When I say run, run, he just
• 55:56
  said. Hey Sandy, I just thought is
• 56:04
  that reference to Sandy to sand based?
• 56:07
  Could be. Could it respond a lot?
• 56:10
  So now they're straight off in the TARDIS now, aren't they?
• 56:13
  You see Clara with the key open the door, They're trying to get
• 56:17
  to the TARDIS, so it's like. Cuz they basically know there's
• 56:24
  no way I like this now, don't they?
• 56:27
  She does the she does the just done that.
• 56:31
  Why do you have to shoot everybody thing that the Doctor
• 56:33
  does all the time. Yeah.
• 56:35
  You know, it's like, you know, I'll be shoot first.
• 56:39
  Some people said Jody Whisker was the first female doctor you
• 56:42
  know, but maybe it was Jenna Coleman.
• 56:51
  I do like that song coming in. It's like, you can hear, you can
• 56:57
  hear. It's literally you can see the
• 56:58
  cogs were in his brain, can't you?
• 57:00
  It's like that's not compute. And he's just like when she says
• 57:05
  it's a story, he's going, it's like, yeah.
• 57:09
  Yeah, he's figuring it out. Yeah.
• 57:11
  You can hear like the basically all the wheels are sort of going
• 57:14
  in his brain. He's just like.
• 57:17
  Alternative. So now it's basically like we
• 57:18
  need to chip out of this story. Now this story is going to be
• 57:22
  used as a weapon, and we cannot be a part of it anymore.
• 57:25
  No, we, you know, we are. We are we.
• 57:29
  We're helping this story to go on.
• 57:31
  So it's quite matter actually, isn't it?
• 57:37
  It is basically because we all like this sort of thing and it's
• 57:40
  the fact that we like this sort of thing.
• 57:41
  It's what's going to get us in the end.
• 57:43
  And that's great. The idea of weaponizing Doctor
• 57:46
  Who to murder a bunch of people, that's it's very not sorry very
• 57:52
  not gaitist. That's what I like about it, is
• 57:54
  that it proves he can be totally off kilter.
• 57:58
  Yeah, he probably was. He's probably answering all his
• 58:03
  critics that said, you know, oh, you know, you do the same thing.
• 58:06
  Kisses for the past. Nostalgia and things like that,
• 58:12
  you know? Unfortunately, none of this
• 58:15
  makes any sense. That's a bit.
• 58:19
  And it doesn't really until he explains it in the last thing.
• 58:21
  But the Doctor's not Privy to that.
• 58:23
  No, Doctor doesn't know you know?
• 58:27
  Does the Doctor ever know? Doesn't like, does it, you know,
• 58:32
  He says. Has this gone out?
• 58:34
  It's always gone out before they blow, you know.
• 58:36
  Do they blow up the you know? I don't know.
• 58:38
  So you know. Do you remember in the Forest of
• 58:43
  the Night? I'll say that climax is on the
• 58:47
  worst last scene ever when that little girl comes out of the
• 58:51
  Pixie dust and it's like Oh well, this is not completely
• 58:55
  opposite of that. I'm perfectly convinced this is
• 58:57
  the best scene in the entire episode.
• 58:59
  I hope you enjoyed the. Show I did try and make it
• 59:04
  exciting. All those scary bits.
• 59:07
  It's basically saying you know it's your fault.
• 59:09
  You watch this, I make this story.
• 59:12
  This is the sort of stuff that you love.
• 59:15
  This could even be a comment, you know, from those people that
• 59:17
  say, you know, watching TV like scary TV.
• 59:21
  It great effect, isn't it? Creepy as fuck, Yeah, and it
• 59:27
  looks so that you know. That's the line where he goes.
• 59:32
  You will show this film to your family, won't you?
• 59:35
  And everyone. And we can all be together.
• 59:38
  Dust too. Dust.
• 59:43
  And he laughed, doesn't he? Oh, no.
• 59:46
  Excuse me. You've got something in your
• 59:48
  eye. In the corner of your eye.
• 59:57
  That's really great smile on his face.
• 59:59
  Look. And and I don't know, like this
• 1:00:04
  was the first time ever we'd never had the Doctor Who title,
• 1:00:07
  music or closing credits because the whole thing is this story
• 1:00:12
  created by him. Yeah, it's not, it's not a
• 1:00:15
  Doctor Who episode. It's what he's it's he has put
• 1:00:18
  together, he's put together a Doctor Who.
• 1:00:23
  It's almost like fanfish. It's like a fan video.
• 1:00:26
  He's like a fan video. He's put for all the things that
• 1:00:29
  we all love about Doctor Who, you know, mysteries, horror.
• 1:00:33
  He's literally put that all together knowing that we all
• 1:00:35
  love it. Based under siege Red Shirts.
• 1:00:40
  Exactly. That's very clever.
• 1:00:44
  Maybe he's specifically gearing this little Doctor Who fans, you
• 1:00:47
  know. It's just like, yeah, I'll try.
• 1:00:51
  Enjoy that. Well, look, I mean, now we've
• 1:00:54
  said many things that we loved about this.
• 1:00:56
  You know how this works. You've listened to enough of
• 1:00:58
  these. We've got to find three reasons
• 1:01:01
  a piece why we would recommend sleeping more to that very
• 1:01:04
  cynical audience that hates it. So I'm just watching this.
• 1:01:10
  Sorry. Will you stop watching Sleep?
• 1:01:14
  No, I'll sleep them more. Face the Raven.
• 1:01:16
  It's your end. You've got.
• 1:01:17
  You're controlling the bloody thing, don't you?
• 1:01:19
  There we go. I've stopped.
• 1:01:22
  I've stopped the share. Come on, you're 1st and I'll go
• 1:01:28
  second, Peter. Capaldi OK Why?
• 1:01:37
  I've thought of reasons. I've said before, he's just, I
• 1:01:40
  think he's great as the Doctor. He's just there's the, he's
• 1:01:45
  literally what you would take if you were to.
• 1:01:47
  You know, you've got a bit of every single Doctor that came
• 1:01:50
  before, You know, you'd mix them all up, put them out and you go
• 1:01:54
  boof. They are.
• 1:02:01
  He's such a brilliant actor. You know, he's proved it time.
• 1:02:05
  You know, even before Doctor Who, he's definitely like he's a
• 1:02:11
  I would say he's an underrated actor because I think everyone
• 1:02:13
  says he's a great actor. I.
• 1:02:15
  Think he's for that. He's very sort of like Trout
• 1:02:18
  was. I mean Trout was a very well
• 1:02:20
  known actor not really doing. He wasn't doing star parts and
• 1:02:26
  you know, basically even character parts.
• 1:02:29
  He was in character parts, which I think you know.
• 1:02:33
  The most, I think the best actors, the ones who do
• 1:02:35
  character pass because they're the ones you know, they have the
• 1:02:37
  most very careers and everything.
• 1:02:40
  You know, he's not, he's not the lead, he's not a leading man
• 1:02:43
  type, you know, even if it has been.
• 1:02:46
  But it's just something about him that you look at him and
• 1:02:50
  just think you are perfect for that role.
• 1:02:53
  And you know, look, he's given a leading role here.
• 1:02:57
  And you know, look at the end of the Zigon 2 part.
• 1:03:00
  That speech he gives, or you know, heaven, sin, or the speech
• 1:03:04
  he gives the doctor falls, and you.
• 1:03:07
  Know you know that man, God, he knows that lacks.
• 1:03:11
  We were very lucky. We were exceptionally lucky and
• 1:03:14
  I don't think hopefully one day he'll be far more appreciated
• 1:03:20
  that I think he has been. But you know, I think hopefully
• 1:03:24
  one day you know we'll go back and go.
• 1:03:27
  We did some, you know, you know. We should really be really
• 1:03:34
  thankful for what we got, so we are not worthy we.
• 1:03:38
  Are not worthy. OK, so I'm going to say it is
• 1:03:43
  Mark Gatis playing against type and writing a really
• 1:03:47
  experimental story. I think it entirely works
• 1:03:50
  because I do think there's a lot of running around in the middle,
• 1:03:53
  but the premise is great. The opening and the ending are
• 1:03:59
  really memorable scenes and the fact that we're going to die
• 1:04:04
  because of watching it is a is a wonderfully chilling idea for a
• 1:04:08
  Doctor Who story. Oh God, am I good at this.
• 1:04:14
  The atmosphere is very good, very unusual.
• 1:04:19
  It is your, you could say what it's just the base on the siege,
• 1:04:22
  but it's, you know, it's very amused, but, you know, you feel
• 1:04:26
  it's very oppressive. It's dark.
• 1:04:29
  It's like. What you imagine a space
• 1:04:32
  station, one of those nice spangly sorts.
• 1:04:34
  It's what we're saying earlier. It's a sort of deep space, 9
• 1:04:37
  space, you know, really it's one of those, you know, it's not,
• 1:04:41
  you know, it's hope for high tech.
• 1:04:42
  It's grungy. You know it's not.
• 1:04:44
  It's lived in. It's not 1 of those really well
• 1:04:47
  lit as well, you know. Writing is incredible.
• 1:04:50
  So yeah, I'll suggest everybody goes back and watches Warriors
• 1:04:55
  of the Deep and then watches this.
• 1:04:59
  Maybe not. My second one is.
• 1:05:03
  I'm so sorry to have chosen this one, but it's the very cute God
• 1:05:07
  in this who almost makes it through the story, and the fact
• 1:05:11
  that he is gorgeous does not ruin my enjoyment at all.
• 1:05:15
  It's. Just a bonus.
• 1:05:17
  So it frequently is you. Know.
• 1:05:28
  I just, I don't know. You go next and think OK well
• 1:05:36
  I'm I'm. I've got one that I could
• 1:05:38
  probably throw at you. Yeah, OK.
• 1:05:41
  And that is all of the sort of clever references to the past.
• 1:05:45
  Yes, That's. A good one, yeah, I do like
• 1:05:48
  those. It's just like weird little
• 1:05:49
  things, like, you know, the whole sorts of no one calls
• 1:05:51
  anything space and the siloions. Area and sort of like, you know,
• 1:05:57
  on my hand just sort of like you know every little little things
• 1:06:01
  like that. We should could say, oh it's a
• 1:06:03
  bit indulgeon but no, you know, he's he's lived for you know how
• 1:06:09
  many thousands of years he's going to go back and go oh, you
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  know that reminds me of this. You know we all do it all the
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  time. It's not unusual.
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  You go back and you say all that stuff.
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  I remember that, or this, that and the other so.
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  Yeah, in the same breath though, you know, like, I think it's
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  subtle enough that if you don't get the reference, it's.
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  Not man down your throat, oh baby, they can almost throw
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  away, but they are throw away. But if you know you're like us,
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  you go. You mean the best space Pirates?
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  I mean points just for that. I know points.
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  Doesn't anyone ever mention the Space Pirates in any.
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  My last one then, is going to be and I want it.
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  I was going to say the last thing, but I think that probably
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  falls under my thing about him being experimental.
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  So I'm going to say the quirky but bold move to make I hooker
• 1:07:04
  the basis of a Doctor Who monsters now.
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  I think the costumes are great. I do think they're shot well and
• 1:07:10
  I do think they do manage to get a number of good scares out of
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  them in this. Even a lot of jump scares on it,
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  you know what I mean? It's bigger.
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  He, he writes the horror. So, you know, the horror cliche
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  is very well. He puts them in the right
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  places, you know, so we get the they all split up and we're
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  going to die, you know, I sort of you said, the fellow said you
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  oh, I'm safe now, you know. Never say that.
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  And then you turn around and the bloody monsters right there and
• 1:07:39
  great beer that I still think that scene where he's he's been
• 1:07:42
  told to sing that Ruddy song and he knows the monster's coming
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  and he's going Mr. Sermon he. Bring me a tree.
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  So thinking about you going, oh, I can't do this.
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  So yeah it's it's, you know he, Mark Gates has noticed his
• 1:07:57
  horror as well as he knows he's Doctor Who.
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  So you know he he knows what he's, you know, he's trying to
• 1:08:06
  convey him what he does. So do you remember when we
• 1:08:09
  started this episode and I thanked you for your support of
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  Hanser Blump in life? Well, now I'm going to end this
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  episode by saying thank you. Because actually, you have
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  forced me to reevaluate an episode that I had entirely
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  written off. It's not.
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  You know I don't want this to become my dominators.
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  It'll be hard with you forever. I.
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  Will. Yeah.
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  No. But I just think it's not.
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  I think you know. It's one that needs a bit more
• 1:08:42
  appreciation. I can understand why people you
• 1:08:45
  know, you know, not everybody likes everything, which is good.
• 1:08:49
  But I think there's a lot more to it than it's just been sort
• 1:08:53
  of like oh, that's it's it's too different.
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  We don't like different. So there's a lot as you can see
• 1:09:00
  what what we've done today, I think there's if you look into
• 1:09:02
  it, there's a lot more to sort of take away from it and think
• 1:09:06
  about which is what. I think, you know, we will like
• 1:09:10
  also to throw away TV and everything, so sometimes it's
• 1:09:13
  good to sort of think about stuff.
• 1:09:14
  So I do wonder if context is key, because I think if you
• 1:09:18
  watch it in the run with this season, there's so many big
• 1:09:22
  things happening in this season. All those Daleks, Davros,
• 1:09:26
  Zygones, invasions, You know it's.
• 1:09:29
  Really just stand alone one because basically.
• 1:09:33
  Goes, as you said, goes into the next two records, But this one
• 1:09:36
  is very much the standalone in the series because there are
• 1:09:40
  others, all two, all two parters on the others, yeah, pretty
• 1:09:44
  much, yeah. Two or three, yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Two or three parters, and this is the one that doesn't fit into
• 1:09:51
  anything. So that's another one of the
• 1:09:54
  reasons it just seems to be like a placeholder, really.
• 1:09:59
  It's doing that weird sort of weird dichotomy of both being
• 1:10:04
  traditional and experimental, and that maybe that's a bit
• 1:10:08
  confusing for some people as well.
• 1:10:10
  Sometimes that doesn't work, you know?
• 1:10:11
  But I think this works pretty good.
• 1:10:14
  Yeah. Well, OK, you've now popped your
• 1:10:18
  hands to Cherry. Well done.
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  And you've done a one part new series where most people start.
• 1:10:26
  Would you care to tell people where we're going next?
• 1:10:32
  Are we coming to the seaside? Oh, I do like to be beside the
• 1:10:37
  seaside and sea giant turtle monsters.
• 1:10:41
  In string vests. In strings vests.
• 1:10:44
  And the Navy equivalent of unit and Roger Delgado's master.
• 1:10:49
  Lots of seamen, plenty of seamen.
• 1:10:54
  Katey Manning was in our element.
• 1:10:57
  Katey Manning in Hovercraft coming soon.
• 1:11:00
  Man, yes, we are going to crack 6 episodes of the Sea Devils.
• 1:11:07
  Very exciting. We're going back to Pertwee
• 1:11:10
  Baby, yes. And so we'll truly get a chance
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  to explore your love of that Doctor and that era.
• 1:11:17
  Oh, yes, we will. Thank you, Joy, but until then,
• 1:11:20
  no thank you. Let me say thank you for your
• 1:11:23
  time and until next time until. Next time, yes.