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Controversial Penalties Dominate Qatar GP | Qatar GP Recap - Fast Laps with the Boys | Abu Dhabi GP Preview · Banter with the Boys

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  Laced up let's go
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  Yo, yo, yo, welcome back to banter with the boys fast laps or we got the Qatar
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  Recap and the Abu Dhabi preview. I have the wrong title on our sheet. So it threw me off
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  I almost said the exact same title as last week, but Mike welcome back
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  Hi, we're happy to have you back this week
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  Interesting race for Haas, but
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  Yeah, it was a race
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  It was a race. I think everybody could agree with that one, but Joe what's going on this week? I
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  Don't know man
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  What is life? What are you disappointed about the race?
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  Or where you're at in the standings
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  I
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  Will get I'll kind of like well I'll get into that soon as well
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  But like it was a really good race. It was just in my opinion a horrible result
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  I just you know a horrible result
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  I mean, yeah, you know just not what I wanted the result to be, you know given you don't want max to win
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  Or what do you mean just a result overall usually?
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  I mean, that's the general overall. I mean, yeah, I was I was hoping for something a little bit different
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  I guess and I think I was definitely looking at this week as like maybe a good rush of points from predictions
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  And I just watched like lap by lap as my predictions fell
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  But hey, I'm really happy to be here we have a lot to talk about I love love doing this with with you boys
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  So yeah, I'm happy. I can't believe we're even saying Abu Dhabi right now. Like that's we know
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  The season it's crazy. It went by so quickly for sure. So with that let's head right into our guitar
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  recap
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  And to start it off before we even get into the GP really, which is just pure chaos and
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  carnage.
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  If you will.
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  Carnage!
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  But yeah, so that just threw me off.
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  I haven't done that forever.
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  Sprint, Joe, you want to take us through this kind of chaotic sprint?
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  I missed it and I missed quality, so I'm no use to this week.
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  I would love to take you through the sprint.
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  Do you want to know why?
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  Because I would have gotten three points if it was the sprint results that we were going
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  through.
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  And Lawson was looking good most of that sprint too.
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  Checko, I think he pulled ahead at the end.
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  Neither one looked good in the GP.
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  No, we'll get there.
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  Sprint was, I mean, it was a team game for McLaren.
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  Lando was obviously faster, but he kept on pulling back to get Oscar that DRS to keep
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  away from Russell.
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  And they kept him one, two because of it.
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  And then right at the end, he asked what the gap was and if it was possible to swap with
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  Oscar so he could give him that win for the trade off in Brazil sprint.
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  Yeah, in the Brazil sprint.
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  McLaren, the team said, no, don't do it.
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  It's fine.
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  Just finish the race.
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  Lando went and did it anyway, gave Oscar, cut right in front of George and finished
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  the race one, two still.
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  The closest sprint we've ever had because of that.
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  So I mean, a huge team game for McLaren.
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  Like I love seeing that.
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  You really don't see that a lot coming from other teams.
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  I think they're fighting each other a lot more.
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  McLaren, it's they're in a weird situation because Lando was so far ahead and Oscar kind
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  of had to help him out a little bit more.
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  But I mean, name one other team that plays a team game like that, really.
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  Yeah, nobody right now.
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  Now in the sprints, they don't get any points at all towards constructors, right?
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  No, they do.
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  All the points they get.
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  It's just one through eight is just count the points.
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  And no fastest lap point.
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  Yeah, right.
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  And no fast lap.
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  Yeah.
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  So Russell was incredibly and we'll talk more about this.
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  We have a lot to say about Russell this week, but Russell's upset that they're playing the
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  team game that thought he came out with like, you know, it's just not entertaining for the
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  fans.
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  I'm over here thinking like, this is cool.
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  This is incredible.
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  Yeah, like think of like the prowess you have to have in the car to be able to pull off
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  a swap right before the checkered flag.
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  I know, like I praise Lando all the time, but exactly.
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  What if Russell got the jump on Lando, right?
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  Then it's a one three and that sucks.
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  Yeah.
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  They executed it beautifully.
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  And it's a slightly different conversation with the McLarens and where Ferrari is right
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  now and the constructors.
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  Yeah.
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  So I was incredibly happy with the sprint.
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  I thought it was a really cool race.
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  Just I mean, all I have to say are like, you know, the McLarens.
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  Russell was very fast, though.
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  He was keeping up with Oscar the entire race, had a few looks onto him, but just could not
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  make it stick because Lando kept on giving Russell or given Oscar that DRS.
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  Now, if if he wasn't given Oscar that DRS, Russell takes it 100 percent.
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  But like you said, I don't know how that's not interesting to the fans.
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  Like that's yeah, that's awesome teamwork.
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  Like giving literally giving him DRS to catch up.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, that's I think.
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  Yeah.
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  Maybe like surface level.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Maybe just to get the constructors this year.
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  And again, I'm on the camp that 2025 is going to be different.
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  Yes.
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  And the whole team mentality might not exist potentially for me.
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  But did you watch this?
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  You watch the sprint?
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  Yeah.
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  OK, so I'm obviously wearing a McLaren hat.
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  I'm a bit biased.
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  You have a little bit of bias towards McLaren as well, but you can like why on a surface
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  level it probably is nice to see Russell maybe fighting up there a little bit more.
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  But on the next level, like like I said, the team game that Lando is playing, it's just
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  interesting to watch.
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  It was I personally loved it because like seeing seen like we know Lando had that pace
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  because Lando would just accidentally pull ahead of them and be like, oh, well, I guess
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  I need to pull back a little.
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  And like like that was really fun, like watching them coordinate together and watch how basically
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  they could use team tactics to hold off George.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't know.
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  I think George is just a little salty that he couldn't get ahead.
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  And so he was just looking for something to complain about.
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  You know, you have a dab of you.
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  You have a dab of you becoming the new the new weekly whiner, the new weekly whiner.
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  George Russell.
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  Hashtag the weekly whiner.
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  Hashtag the weekly whiner.
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  Got to be careful.
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  Don't want to take that away from Verstappen.
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  They used to be too busy winning.
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  And then Quali.
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  Quali was yeah, nothing crazy happening in Quali.
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  The only note let me see if I have anything else.
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  I really think the only note I took was that, yeah, Max got that impeding.
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  They were on a slow lap, but George was going quick behind him and Max did not get out of
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  the way or just took up too much of the road.
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  So he was hit with a one place grid penalty.
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  And I honestly think I just think we should kind of get out of the way like before we
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  get into like because we have a lot of stuff to get through.
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  Let's talk about Russell, I think.
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  George Russell?
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  Yeah, George Russell.
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  What do you what what what what?
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  Exactly.
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  There's a lot.
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  There's a lot.
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  I mean, just just, you know, let's just talk about, you know, before the Russell.
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  Yeah, I mean, yeah, good work.
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  Good pace all weekend.
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  There was some.
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  OK.
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  I'm.
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  There was a lot of noise kind of coming from Verstappen about how about how much George
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  was pushing for that penalty to be placed, like how much he was pushing.
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  But outside of that stewards room to the cameras, he was saying, I don't care what happens.
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  It's fine.
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  So I think I think Max is angry that George is a little being a little too faced.
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  Yeah.
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  Versus the fact that he went so hard in the penalty, which I guess I can kind of see.
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  But he wasn't the only one somebody else.
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  It was.
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  So it was Alonzo.
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  Yeah, I was going to say I thought somebody else came out and said, like, well, George
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  is a little bit different person in front of the cameras than behind closed doors type
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  deal.
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  I mean, which you could argue like, so am I.
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  You can argue that.
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  Everyone has a PR team.
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  You know, every driver is a PR team.
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  It's just I think there's a much more stark difference.
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  And Max, I think I would argue Max is the same person on and off camera.
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  I think he's probably a couple of times.
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  So maybe he just doesn't love that coming up.
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  You know, love the opposite coming from other drivers.
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  But we had that we had a lot of that.
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  And at first I was like, you know, Max is Max is, you know, calling him out for pushing
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  so hard.
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  But Red Bull has been been in the exact same position against Mercedes before.
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  For sure.
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  Like 100 percent.
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  But what pushed me the extra mile was the fact that he was complaining about the McLaren
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  team.
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  And I was like, OK, maybe Russell is kind of going a little too far.
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  I think he's taking ownership of being, you know, transitioning into being that number
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  one driver of an F1 team.
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  But he's taking the wrong characteristics.
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  You know, I mean, like he is complaining a lot more the last couple of weeks.
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  You've seen it this week, though, specifically, specifically, excuse me.
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  You know what I mean?
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  So
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  yeah, what's I mean, like what is your take?
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  Well, at what?
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  Two, three weeks ago, maybe I was like, oh, yeah, I'm a hop on Mercedes bandwagon next
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  year while I wait for Cadillac to join in twenty twenty six.
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  And obviously, a gasoline fan, but not not going to happen.
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  No way.
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  Not after that action.
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  And like he's going to be their number one driver.
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  And like I like Toto, but just too much going on.
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  He's starting to surround himself with too much drama going the wrong way, kind of like
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  how Lando started doing midway through the season.
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  I'm not comparing the two.
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  So no, I get it.
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  I get it.
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  I definitely I definitely recall, you know, everyone kind of pointing out how his attitude
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  kind of shifted a bit.
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  But it's been quiet in that front lately for a while.
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  I mean, and there's always the possibility, too, that this could be like maybe it was
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  just a bad weekend.
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  Maybe he got some bad news, you know, like his dog was sick or something.
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  I don't know.
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  So like, you don't know.
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  Maybe it's just a rough weekend for him and he comes back next weekend like, hey, yeah,
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  I was I was being a bit of a bloke.
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  It's my bad.
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  Like, I'm going to do better going forward like this.
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  Always possibility.
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  So I think like it's he's walking on eggshells right now.
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  And I think if he keeps acting like this, why do you think he's walking on eggshells
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  right now?
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  Because there's a lot of people who are upset with him.
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  There's a lot of people who don't like the way he acted over the weekend and like the
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  things that he did and like the impeding thing with Max is like, whatever I can get over
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  that.
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  It's like you watch any qualifying session and I swear I hear impeding impeding every
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  weekend.
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  So like it happens.
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  I'm not I'm not upset about that.
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  But everybody's going to cry and moan about, you know, wherever they can, every single
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  driver and they should.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, it's an important time.
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  Like every second counts.
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  Yep.
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  I don't know.
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  You got to play the game on and off track.
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  You have to.
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  Where where is George and the driver standings right now?
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  Do you have that pulled up?
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  I do.
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  He is currently sitting in.
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  Sixth.
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  He is two thirty five.
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  I think he sees I think he's staying in six.
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  I don't think he can move up or down right now.
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  Or down.
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  No, no.
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  Lewis is Lewis is behind him.
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  Twenty so points away.
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  So I don't think that's I mean, that's respectable.
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  Yeah.
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  Who's who's above them and who's in signs at two seventy two.
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  So so that's about 30 about 35 points away.
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  So I think he's staying in six.
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  But six.
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  So we got what Max and both McLarens and both Ferraris in front of them.
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  Max Lando Charles Oscar Carlos.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, that's all I got to say about George.
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  I mean, there's really not much else to say other than like what you said, Mike.
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  Hopefully he kind of bounces back next week and like he doesn't even need to come out
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  and apologize for whatever or nothing.
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  But like you got to be a little bit more likable being that number one driver.
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  I mean, just for PR stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, especially if you are the number one driver.
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  Yeah.
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  What did you say?
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  Especially if you are the number one driver, like you start becoming the face of your team.
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  Right.
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  Like imagine if Lewis Hamilton did this stuff like people would be like, well, what the
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  heck, man?
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  You're the face of Mercedes.
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  Yeah.
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  And this is dumb to say because they're adults.
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  Right.
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  Kimmy Kimmy is an adult.
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  He's going to be what?
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  Twenty, I think next year.
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  Or is he as young as he might be 19?
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  He's going to be 19.
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  Yeah.
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  Like he's setting the example of how to be, you know, at that next level at F1.
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  But I don't know.
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  He doesn't have the leadership qualities yet.
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  I guess we'll see if if those develop in the offseason.
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  Maybe hopefully.
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  Yeah.
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  You'd think you would have learned a little bit more from Lewis.
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  Well, at the same time, he didn't come out.
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  Touting the stuff that he was saying, like Rack kind of aired his dirty laundry a little
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  bit.
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  So I guess I'd be careful in general.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Fair point.
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  Fair point.
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  But speaking of Lewis, do we start talking about some of these penalties that I think
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  we have to and Lewis's wasn't even crazy.
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  So I don't want to paint him as a bad guy to start off.
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  I'm just going to read through the penalties and then we can kind of talk about the incidents
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  that brought up those penalties, which all happened within what?
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  The first lap.
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  A handful of them.
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  At least a good.
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  Yeah.
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  Good chunk of them.
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  Yeah.
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  So Hamilton with the jumpstart gets a five second Hamilton again, speeding in the pit
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  lane.
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  So that's just a drive through penalty.
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  Then we got Lando.
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  This one's pretty big.
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  Ignoring the yellow flag.
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  And you could kind of see him when they started replaying the yellow flags, you could see
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  Lando absolutely not letting off at all.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, yes, it's a safety thing.
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  I mean, you're on you're on the racetrack.
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  You know what I mean?
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  But he was definitely trying to gain some sort of advantage.
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  And I don't know if it was like he owned up to it after the race.
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  But I don't know why.
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  Like you've been doing this all year.
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  Like why?
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  Why?
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  Why now?
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  You know, why are you trying to get away with it?
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  It was like every yellow though, too.
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  Right.
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  I mean, do we want to get into it?
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  Yes.
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  OK.
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  First, 10 seconds stop and go as well.
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  That's just crazy.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I think let's just quickly finish because I don't know if we're going to have
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  as much to talk about the other ones like to dive into.
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  Let's finish that just like kind of go over.
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  Let's set the scene on how many penalties we had.
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  Yeah.
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  Fair enough.
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  Fair enough.
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  So Lando gets the 10 second stop and go, which I think doesn't he have to do that?
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  Yes, do it in three laps.
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  Yeah, three laps.
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  OK.
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  That was two within three laps.
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  And then he also gets three penalty points against his what is a super license.
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  And we got stroll collision with Albon.
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  What a surprise.
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  Ten seconds, two penalty points.
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  How many?
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  God, is there a penalty point tracker?
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  There's got to be out there.
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  How many strolls got on there?
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  But you can look it up.
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  Liam collision with Botas, 10 seconds and also to put penalty points.
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  Albon collision with KMeg, 10 seconds and two penalty points.
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  George safety car infringement, five seconds and one penalty point.
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  Let's go back to Lando, though.
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  Are you finding that?
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  Did you find something?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, I did.
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  I do have a list of penalty points.
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  Straw has four currently, so not not Alonzo currently has eight.
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  He's the highest at the moment.
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  Yeah, he's interesting.
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  He'll be fine because it resets after Maxus six right behind him.
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  Well, yeah, that's a given.
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  I do want to bring one thing up really quickly with the Lando thing.
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  Just air this out right away.
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  I think you and I feel the same way about this should have never happened because I
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  think yes, I think.
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  Well, well, what do you mean?
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  What should happen?
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  This shouldn't have been a yellow flag to begin with.
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  We should have been in a safety car.
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  There should have been a safety car as soon as as soon as that mirror came off.
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  Yes, I thought a safety car.
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  Maybe a lap to see if maybe we can get some people out and just go snag it real quick.
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  One lap done.
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  Get a safety car out there because we need to get that off.
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  That's a safety concern and it can ruin people's races.
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  And we saw we saw we saw it ruined a bunch of people's races and both still somehow managed
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  to grab points.
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  I'm just great here in Sanity.
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  Amazing.
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  He the one that ran it over completely and shattered into a million pieces.
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  And then what?
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  Lewis had a sign stuck underneath them and Carlos.
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  That's just unacceptable.
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  Yeah.
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  And it was out there for what?
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  Something like that.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, before it got ran over before finally we sent out the safety car to go clean it
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  up like.
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  So yes, I don't think I don't think there should have been yellow flags to begin with
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  for him to speed.
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  Now I feel like he probably knew that too.
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  And maybe that's some of his reasoning for like why are we even bothering to slow down
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  if it's like so I don't know.
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  That's a really bad time to make a statement though.
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  I agree.
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  But like so that's that's my like hot not so hot take lukewarm take on that.
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  Lukewarm.
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  I'm wearing the McLaren hat.
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  Right.
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  You are.
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  So I think so.
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  I will note just to kind of talk on the video that was shown of him breaking the rule.
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  I don't know if this is when he was supposed to let off or he let off or he was supposed
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  to let off the lap after.
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  But it showed the yellow flag blinking right as he crossed it.
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  So it was off until he crossed that point and then it started blinking.
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  And they're saying that that's when he got hit with it.
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  I don't know if that's the truth.
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  He did it other times in the race.
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  I first.
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  Yeah, that's that's kind of what I was thinking.
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  That's what I thought it happened.
• 17:21
  Like last time.
• 17:22
  But then F1 like the F1 like the F1 official Instagram posted that as being the reason
• 17:27
  he got the penalty.
• 17:28
  So I was like, OK, that sucks.
• 17:30
  That's the case.
• 17:32
  Again, he deserves a penalty.
• 17:34
  A 10 second stop and go penalty is probably one of the besides being just thrown out
• 17:39
  of the race, that is probably the most like the worst penalty you can get.
• 17:42
  That's the first stop and go we saw this season.
• 17:45
  I think so.
• 17:46
  I'm not sure.
• 17:47
  I feel like I've not seen many.
• 17:50
  It's a crazy penalty to watch him go from second to last.
• 17:54
  Broke my heart.
• 17:55
  Like that was the worst.
• 17:56
  That felt awful.
• 17:57
  A 10 second stop and go is in in Qatar was what like a 36 second 36 seconds.
• 18:03
  So like 36 seconds, that kills your race.
• 18:05
  Yeah, 100 percent.
• 18:07
  His race was over.
• 18:08
  So it was it was disheartening to see that being this was about the time that I left
• 18:13
  the room and I had to cool down a little bit.
• 18:16
  But so this is all in real life.
• 18:17
  Yes, he deserved a penalty.
• 18:18
  They did deserve a 10 second stop and go.
• 18:21
  I don't think so.
• 18:23
  Was he actually speeding through the yellow flag when he had time to see the yellow flag?
• 18:28
  I don't know for sure.
• 18:30
  Sounds like you don't know a lot.
• 18:31
  I don't know a lot.
• 18:32
  That's true.
• 18:33
  Also, Max Verstappen got a fastest lap during one of those yellow flags.
• 18:36
  I don't know.
• 18:37
  There's a lot of wait.
• 18:38
  I don't remember that.
• 18:39
  He did.
• 18:40
  He got it.
• 18:41
  He posted a fastest lap.
• 18:42
  Now, there's no there's a there is a possibility he went really fast in sector two and three.
• 18:46
  Very much a possibility he could have done that.
• 18:48
  But to get fastest lap with a no.
• 18:50
  Why do you think I left the room, dog?
• 18:53
  I was I was so man, it made me so angry.
• 18:58
  I was like, check his check his, you know, check the tapes.
• 19:01
  We're not calling him check the recordings with all the technology.
• 19:04
  He has.
• 19:05
  I mean, and then Lando started pulling back because he really didn't want to get another
• 19:08
  infringement.
• 19:09
  He lost like two seconds to Max during that.
• 19:12
  Yeah.
• 19:13
  OK, this is all real life.
• 19:14
  That is my ideas.
• 19:15
  Now, I 1000 percent agree with you.
• 19:21
  Safety cars should have happened.
• 19:22
  There should not have been a yellow flag right when that wing came out.
• 19:25
  Maybe let a lap pass to see if something happened.
• 19:27
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 19:28
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 19:29
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 19:37
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 19:38
  It's it's in the middle of a straight, DRS straight zone.
• 19:41
  And then they give somebody he's going to pass.
• 19:43
  It's going to exactly exactly what happened.
• 19:45
  It's not on the racing line, but it is in the overtaking like spot.
• 19:50
  So like you just kill the racing pretty much for the entire like lap, because that's like
• 19:53
  one of the only places you can really overtake.
• 19:56
  And you can't see that.
• 19:57
  I mean, we're going.
• 19:58
  You can't mock.
• 19:59
  out they obviously could not throw someone onto the track while they were
• 20:01
  really racing like they were really contemplating oh yeah they're like we
• 20:07
  can see the marshals ready to run out there and do it but they they cannot do
• 20:11
  it unless there's a safety car yeah I mean that's a safety that from the
• 20:16
  get-go you do that Lando doesn't get the penalty which obviously is just yay for
• 20:20
  me but more importantly science doesn't get a puncture and Lewis doesn't get a
• 20:24
  puncture yeah no so hindering their races by a ton I can't believe Lewis
• 20:28
  made it back well Lewis was so upset well I want to talk more about Lewis later as
• 20:32
  well but it was man it was just a bad day to be me I don't it's just watching
• 20:39
  my two watching my two favorite like you know favorite teams just kind of crumble
• 20:43
  from a single misstep from the FIA and then to kind of continue on with the
• 20:48
  amount of penalties that were being given out did the news race director
• 20:51
  just have a button that he pressed it were like a penalty but it was every
• 20:56
  like I made a joke almost every 10 seconds this incident is being looked at
• 21:01
  oh yeah oh this incident has now been we went from Vegas which is relatively
• 21:05
  relatively chill to this which was insanity in terms of the FAS different
• 21:10
  race director I think it was the same race director Vegas was the same the
• 21:15
  other one left right before Vegas yes like I don't know if it was in the
• 21:18
  weekend race director but yep this new race director just went ham crazy went
• 21:23
  crazy I made a joke during the race and I think this race director is a button
• 21:26
  just to get penalties all my predictions we'll talk about the race director in
• 21:30
  the news there's some interesting stuff with the you were saying like all the
• 21:33
  drivers all the drivers who had things like ruined so like my team right um
• 21:38
  they yeah I got I got the hat I got the hat see that um it's a lot easier to get
• 21:43
  in this country than helping yeah yeah I believe it um yeah so like my team they
• 21:49
  went out that first lap they took one lap in the yellow flag and we're like
• 21:53
  okay there's gonna be a safety car so they pit Kevin while I think he was in
• 21:57
  sixth and they picked Kevin because they were anticipating the safety car so they
• 22:02
  get him in right then and there safety car goes out they come out and then
• 22:05
  they've got a good opportunity it's a it's a great time for them to pit but
• 22:09
  because they waited three more laps for a safety car until there was debris and
• 22:13
  we had two punctures then because of that now Kevin's in the back and all
• 22:17
  those people who are in front of him could pit safely and and now this you
• 22:21
  know hurt his chances he still got up to ninth I believe and so like not a
• 22:26
  terrible race for him but he could have done better and it was just like
• 22:30
  because like my team was thinking that the stewards were gonna make a rational
• 22:35
  call and they didn't his race also was affected yeah I'm like amidst other
• 22:39
  teams that also pit at the exact same time under the same pretense so how do
• 22:45
  you think Haas is gonna finish out next week oh god just I know we're not in the
• 22:49
  preview section I'm just curious since you're a Haas fan I just I just got to
• 22:53
  know do you like one of the big no no we gotta wait we gotta wait I'm gonna talk
• 22:59
  about it I'll ask you again once we get the constructor say you ready I've got a
• 23:03
  really good opportunity that they just let oh trust me laughs this weekend I've
• 23:07
  thought I don't gotta tell you but but no let's let's talk about that that first
• 23:13
  lap really quick the couple incidents that happened there just just pure
• 23:18
  insanity I mean what did what was it determined that hold on here let me look
• 23:24
  at the penalties again so it was Nico Franco and Ocon oh yeah Franco and
• 23:29
  Colapinto was it Franco and Ocon that collided yeah
• 23:33
  oh no Nico Nico Nico had understeer and so like he spun and like hit which I
• 23:40
  think Albin and Albin like crashed into into Colapinto and the two of them just
• 23:45
  took their tires off no no no no no it was Ocon is Ocon yeah you're right he
• 23:51
  did have a little bit of understeering yeah which seemed to be a problem for
• 23:54
  multiple drivers this race especially on the hard multiple drives nobody liked
• 23:59
  the hards like the hards and the softs went like this freaked out when they he's
• 24:05
  driving away and they realized that they put hards back on he's like what the
• 24:09
  we're not gonna say right now but he was freaking out about that but yeah I was
• 24:14
  Hulk into Ocon who then hit was that Albon or who was ah for Hulk into Ocon
• 24:21
  Franco yeah oh Colapinto Franco and Ocon I think they retire immediately yep
• 24:26
  yep dude Colapinto and somehow Nico just limped it to the pit and again like
• 24:33
  this one's not Colapinto's fault per se right obviously but dude you got to
• 24:38
  start not crashing you know I said I had a fun fact about Williams I found out
• 24:45
  earlier they have one wing allocated between the two drivers left for Abu
• 24:49
  Dhabi so if both drivers break a wing then they just got a drive this is for
• 24:53
  who Williams so Williams has one wing left for the rest for this last race so
• 24:59
  Franco crashes and breaks the rear wing they just can't race Franco no front
• 25:03
  wing front front wing okay so even worse even worse yeah so if both drivers
• 25:07
  manage to damage their front wings one of them has to continue driving with a
• 25:10
  broken front wing or they were there they have no front wings left coming into
• 25:15
  Abu Dhabi no one replacement one replacement and that's and that's for
• 25:20
  each drive for each truck yeah that's to share between the two drivers share
• 25:24
  between the two yeah that's raw yeah they are down I'd be like hey Franco buddy
• 25:30
  here's the deal you damage that wing that's that's on you we're gonna say
• 25:34
  we're gonna save the good one it's it's it's him and Albin Albin's had plenty
• 25:39
  of crashes this season too yeah of course there's Logan too all season
• 25:41
  Logan had found the barrier more than he found the checkered flag but more than
• 25:46
  the pavement almost they don't like they don't like destroy it during like
• 25:51
  destroy it beyond repair during all your stuff because if that happens and it's
• 25:56
  like well your weekends done like more or less yeah oh that would suck man
• 25:59
  imagine losing your weekend before you can even I imagine whoever breaks it
• 26:03
  will get the replacement but then that's it yeah that's that's interesting
• 26:06
  that's horrible I mean that's a William spot to be in if it's ever been one of
• 26:10
  my right am I right guys that's where they live that's so that was lap one yep
• 26:18
  lap five zoomed racing yeah we were racing lap five but we had Liam I don't
• 26:27
  know if he just lost it a little bit or ended up get somehow getting involved
• 26:31
  with both us yes Austin seemed to get a bunch of damage off that but just
• 26:36
  another random Liam moment Liam moment not Liam sorry gets his 10 second
• 26:41
  Liam is we'll talk about it in news but Liam has an opportunity and he is not
• 26:50
  impressing right now just just not he's doing making a bunch of rookie mistakes
• 26:55
  stuff that you can't be making at this point yes I know he hasn't had a ton of
• 26:59
  opportunity necessarily at the f1 level but you gotta be making the most of your
• 27:04
  chances here and you finished yes it's only one spot but you did finish behind
• 27:08
  Yuki this week which sucks for our bonus points by the way it does well not not
• 27:12
  yours I said check oh yeah I don't get bonus points for the check oh finished
• 27:18
  oh that's right he did it even finish that's right the guys who already and I
• 27:22
  forgot yeah that makes just yeah sorry you're right now it's okay you're right
• 27:27
  though Lawson yeah he needs to be proving something and granted Yuki and
• 27:32
  Lawson had I think in like in totality neither of them had a great race but I
• 27:37
  guess like at least they kind of finished close I really want to get a
• 27:42
  break instructor standings well we'll just get through the race I will say
• 27:46
  really quick just to kind of go before I hate I'm sorry we're going back in time
• 27:50
  during the race but you guys were mentioning Albon a couple times yeah
• 27:53
  Lance did cut into Albon and spun him off before the safety car as well
• 27:57
  this happened I think on corner to stroll stroke got a penalty so that's why
• 28:01
  we thought Albon was involved he was involved in a separate crash oh yeah
• 28:05
  okay okay just wanted to cut cut that back there really quick just stroll
• 28:09
  doing stroll things he ended up retiring as well yes yes he did okay yes he did
• 28:14
  uh now was it his nose Lewis that they were like and then Lewis yeah they
• 28:19
  they're you Louis requested retiring and they're like no stay out like nah yeah
• 28:25
  bro that was so disheartening to hear he is so he's so this car man yeah he's
• 28:29
  done he's done commentators were talking about you know him wanting to not race
• 28:34
  in in Abu Dhabi I don't blame him though I don't blame me there and I think I
• 28:38
  think you got to do one more right for your Mercedes fans that have been there
• 28:42
  you think or do you think that doesn't even that's not even a factor for him
• 28:44
  right now he's so over it and he also I think and with the bad luck of this race
• 28:48
  running over the piece of mirror like yeah it's it's so rough if he were to
• 28:52
  not race for Mercedes I think he gets to I think he gets to test in the Ferrari I
• 28:57
  think all of those have been dispelled he is definitely racing in the Mercedes
• 29:01
  but yeah he can't sound it can't test then if he's right yeah yeah yeah
• 29:05
  because somebody else like that couldn't if I if I'm like oh oh can Ken Ken test
• 29:13
  now because he's been yes technically released by Alpina now he can test in
• 29:17
  the Haas yes but I don't think Lewis can test in the Ferrari no if he's racing in
• 29:21
  if he's racing the Mercedes I don't think he can I don't know how it works
• 29:24
  yes that's just my logic if this thing happened on this team so this thing must
• 29:28
  be true on this team sure I think that's the case if I'm not mistaken the they
• 29:33
  have like the driver tests for drivers who are going to different teams and
• 29:36
  whatnot new driver center side and whatnot and I think that's after Abu
• 29:39
  Dhabi that's like a season they got a test yeah they got like a season and
• 29:43
  test where like you'll we'll get to see all the drivers and their new their new
• 29:47
  jumpsuits and everything and like we'll get to see them test out the cars and
• 29:51
  whatnot and I think I heard that that was supposed to happen next Tuesday so
• 29:55
  a week from today okay okay fair enough looking back here we've talked about
• 29:59
  Red Bull we'll talk about check on a little bit Ferrari I guess we didn't
• 30:03
  really we really talked about Ferrari at this race I mean P2 he can't can't be
• 30:08
  too mad there but I mean Carlos again with with the whole mirror incident I
• 30:13
  mean it could have been better who knows it could have been better I will say
• 30:17
  he recovered very nicely he still got a decent placement as you can with going
• 30:22
  exactly he would have placed better for sure if that hadn't happened obviously
• 30:27
  but he still recovered incredibly well and then Charles just had a very
• 30:31
  consistent race and he he deserves the place he got so he you know he he Lando
• 30:39
  got that penalty threw him back so he yeah he was able to capitalize yeah he
• 30:44
  was able to capitalize that's the word I was trying to look for there it is there
• 30:46
  it is we'll talk about Ferrari also here in a little bit but uh going down the
• 30:53
  list here we've talked about McLaren mentioned a little bit of Mercedes
• 30:55
  action Alpine gasly getting that p5 obviously Okan retired but my guy
• 31:01
  gasly getting p5 I mean yes there's the panel the you know the Lando thing but
• 31:05
  it's p5 buddy it is man oh yeah and he's out scored Lando in the last three races
• 31:12
  yeah that was 27 to 26 I love it what is the test that won't be the same stat
• 31:17
  next week but I'm just saying I mean hey I mean maybe though right well we're
• 31:22
  talking about now they're going to a Merc or yeah Merc engine yeah Mercedes
• 31:26
  say yeah I mean yeah we're talking about drivers who are outscoring people now
• 31:35
  officially on the drivers championship Botas is ahead of Liam Lawson that's
• 31:44
  crazy yeah that is a team not expected to score points probably ever this year
• 31:48
  honestly because they have the same amount of points but Botas has a higher
• 31:52
  finish yeah so does Botas have all four of kicks points or did Joe get one or two?
• 31:57
  No wait no guys Botas didn't score points this week. Oh Joe! I'm thinking of Joe.
• 32:02
  I was like oh maybe I'm forgetting that he did. I'm just thinking the green guard.
• 32:06
  This is your fault you're gaslighting. Botas is not going to get points this season.
• 32:13
  I'm saying that ahead of Abu Dhabi because I don't think Abu Dhabi
• 32:17
  permits enough of like something to happen. No not for kick. Yeah not for kick but I mean his
• 32:24
  teammate Joe. But Joe yeah no yeah so that was it Joe is ahead of Liam Lawson
• 32:28
  now that's what it was. Now Botas is no longer at the bottom of the standings
• 32:32
  anymore because of his finish. He's not. He's ahead of Logan Sargent. What about Joe to Cadillac?
• 32:40
  That is something that's been talked about. Help pump some money into the new team you know have Danny
• 32:47
  Rick be the PR guy. Maybe. I still think we haven't seen Joe at his at his
• 32:53
  prime because of the car he was given. I agree. I would like to think he's better
• 32:57
  than he is but we won't know. Until he gets another season when is he going to get that opportunity?
• 33:02
  We saw a pretty good drive out of him this weekend. It was it was like I call it like it was consistent.
• 33:07
  He's had a few good drives this season. He did not mess up which is all you can ask for. Right. In a kick.
• 33:12
  So right. He made it across the finish line. Alright. Very small tangent that I thought up
• 33:17
  because of like Pierre's P5 and how we've been seeing him get all these points recently was the
• 33:23
  thought of if Pierre was in a Red Bull or a McLaren or like a championship winning car is he a is he WDC?
• 33:32
  Ripping my heart out here fam because no. Comparable. No. I think I think he'd be a really good number
• 33:38
  two driver at a high level team like like a Red Bull Mercedes or Ferrari or McLaren but I just I
• 33:45
  would hope so. Yeah I would love that. It would be awesome. It's like when he won. That was yeah that
• 33:50
  was insanity but I just I don't know. I think he's I think he'd be a very competitive number two
• 33:55
  driver. Oh for sure. You know a boat toss to a Hamilton type of situation but I don't I don't
• 34:00
  know if he's got enough to get that the WDC. He's super consistent. I found out that he has cost Alpine
• 34:07
  zero dollars this year. He's one of the few drivers on the grid who's cost his team basically no money.
• 34:12
  I think he's the only one. He's the only driver on the grid. Yeah because he's just driving so so clean like sure sometimes
• 34:19
  not great but or sometimes Okan maybe just flies over the top of him or something. That can happen.
• 34:27
  Yeah I wonder if they went into they went into a meeting or like start of the season like listen
• 34:31
  the car is going to be slow so you guys need to not hit each other. Please save us money. Like whatever you do.
• 34:36
  So they've received by hitting each other. No uh let's talk about those standings. Oh man we're
• 34:43
  already in standings. Before we head into news. McLaren sitting at the top of 640. Ferrari sitting at 619.
• 34:49
  Who's going to do it fellas? I mean yes McLaren's got the good shot right now but I mean arguably if
• 34:55
  Carlos doesn't run over the mirror I don't know. Who knows it could look a little bit different right now.
• 35:00
  The sprint could look a little bit different right now if things went a different way. It's worth noting
• 35:03
  that I believe I've heard that McLaren has struggled in Abu Dhabi in the past. You can correct me Mr.
• 35:09
  McLaren boy but I believe uh I believe McLaren has struggled in Abu Dhabi in the past and if that
• 35:15
  is the case and Ferrari has been pretty good in Abu Dhabi in the past. Not the best. I think Mercedes
• 35:20
  has been archetypically the best and Red Bull. Mercedes has been pretty good. You're really beating
• 35:25
  her out of the bush here for the answer. I don't know who's going to take it for you. Right now on the seat.
• 35:31
  Who's taking constructors after this week? I still think it's McLaren. It's definitely McLaren I think.
• 35:35
  You don't think Ferrari can do. Ferrari has to do a lot. That much I know that's what I'm saying like they seriously need
• 35:41
  one of the McLaren's like DNF. So that's their best bet. I have the answer for that like the
• 35:46
  minimum that they need. Yeah let's lay it on us. So if Ferrari get one and two one of the McLaren's can get
• 35:55
  third but the other McLaren has to get below sixth. Oh interesting. Yes and that's if the
• 36:02
  Ferrari's one and two which is not going to happen. That's not. Probably not. Ferrari's getting one two
• 36:08
  is probably not going to happen but a McLaren finishing p6 is not that outlandish. Not not
• 36:13
  horribly outlandish but both of them finishing. Yeah that's really tough. Okay so now let's say
• 36:18
  Max wins and Ferrari has a great weekend so they get two three. The highest that McLaren can get
• 36:25
  has to be fifth and tenth. Yeah that's not going to happen. That's tough. So they really Ferrari
• 36:33
  literally has to one two. And then it just keeps going down if Ferrari keep on kind of making it down as well.
• 36:37
  But it's it's one if one Ferrari wins the race and the other doesn't finish in points. It's over. The
• 36:42
  McLaren's need nine ten. So it's it's really really tough for them to to make this up. So yeah they're
• 36:49
  making it a huge deal then and it's really not as big of a deal. You know you're right though. They
• 36:55
  aren't the best at this track. Last year proved that. However they were not like the slowest team
• 37:03
  by any. They were definitely doing better than what I'm kind of saying right now. Yes. Yeah yeah. But
• 37:07
  if McLaren is at the moment arguably favored to win a WDC next year with maybe Lando maybe Oscar
• 37:15
  I don't know. I'd assume Lando right. But if they're potentially favorited to do that I mean you got
• 37:21
  to be able to produce that at all tracks at some point. I've got a question for you guys. Oh boy.
• 37:26
  What is the fastest car on the grid right now? I still think it's the McLaren. Do you? No. So you know what?
• 37:32
  My. Is it the Ferrari? That's where I'm leaning. Is it the tracks that are like not favoring the McLaren?
• 37:39
  George is also really fast right now. Yeah exactly. Yeah right. So it's so it's like is it are the tracks just not favoring
• 37:44
  McLaren or maybe have they lost the edge they had midseason a little bit. They're so fast obviously.
• 37:49
  Obviously they're so fast. Yeah. But are they the fastest at this point? They're definitely close.
• 37:54
  Yep. I think the Ferrari and the Mercedes just coming out of nowhere as well late late season
• 37:59
  like they did last season as well. Yep. Which again like makes me think that they're not putting
• 38:04
  as much time into Lewis's car right now. I think they. Because George's had a couple really fast.
• 38:10
  George's fly. I think I thought I heard that because of like um like cost cap that they're at a point
• 38:16
  where they're just putting all of their money and all of the upgrades into Russell's car and not
• 38:21
  into Lewis's car and that's part of the reason we've seen uh Lewis so kind of defeated is because he
• 38:26
  knows that they're in the same car but they're not in the same car and they're they're doing this for
• 38:32
  Russell because they're not going to spend more time and parts in Lewis's car when they're not
• 38:35
  going to have him next year. Why would they why would they work on that? I can't remember if it
• 38:39
  was Mercedes that I brought it up with but a few weeks ago I said that potentially Lewis's car hadn't
• 38:44
  been upgraded since Miami. Was it Mercedes that I was saying that about? I can't remember. I don't
• 38:50
  know. I'm not expecting you to remember. I do remember you saying that. I can't remember what team
• 38:54
  it was. It might not be but it's crazy to think of any of that happening. It's crazy to think that
• 39:00
  both cars on any team could not be at the same level. You know what I mean? You would think you
• 39:04
  know but usually I mean usually come in waves you know like maybe one weekend they have it early.
• 39:08
  This one gets it this weekend and then next weekend the second car gets that upgraded that
• 39:12
  weekend or whatever. We know like we know that that's happening though because like Red Bull
• 39:16
  has openly stated the fact that they're like we're not working on Checo's car for the rest of the
• 39:19
  season. They're like Checo's car is where it's at. Yeah well that makes sense. That's where it is.
• 39:23
  We need to focus on Max because he's our point scorer. Like for sure so all of the upgrades and
• 39:28
  everything has been going into Max's car and this has been for like I think the last two races now.
• 39:32
  Yeah so like now he's won. Yeah you know so clearly something's working. That's a good point. Yeah
• 39:38
  so which is crazy because we were just talking about how bad and how much of a drop Red Bull's
• 39:44
  had and in their just their speed their pace is so off and now all of a sudden they're putting the
• 39:49
  upgrades all into Max and now he's winning again like yeah you know what I mean. So I don't know
• 39:54
  who knows where Red Bull will be at the start of next season. We're kind of writing them off in a
• 39:58
  way but they've they wrote themselves off last week. I still think we're going to be relatively
• 40:02
  fast at the start of the season at least. Not according to them. Not according to them but.
• 40:07
  The other battle we have going on Red Bull sitting there at third at 581 Mercedes 446 Aston at 92.
• 40:13
  Those are all pretty much locked in at this point. Yeah Red Bull confirmed cannot win constructors
• 40:19
  anymore. That was official. Which is wild. But we have a kind of a tight race. V-Carb not so much
• 40:27
  but we kind of have a tight race here. No I mean V-Carb. They need some points. Them not scoring
• 40:34
  any points in Qatar really hurt there. Yeah. Really hurt them and let alone both just having
• 40:39
  a really rough race but Alpine sitting at 59 Haas at 54. I mean seriously have an opportunity there
• 40:46
  and then V-Carb sitting at 46. Here halfway through the season this spot was V-Carb's no doubt. I mean
• 40:53
  Haas was there battling but like I was like no way anybody's catching V-Carb. Yeah and now we're
• 40:57
  talking about Alpine. Yeah. Potentially beating Haas even who started out pretty strong. So I'd
• 41:03
  love to pitch it to you with this. Right. Alpine has I would say arguably one driver who can score
• 41:08
  actually pretty decent points versus Haas's two driver who can score low points but points
• 41:13
  nonetheless. So who like what's going to make the difference and I also think you either get
• 41:19
  Gastly in one Haas or you get two Haas's or a single Haas. So I went kind of like you were
• 41:23
  just going through with championships. I was also looking at like what has to happen in Abu Dhabi
• 41:29
  and it is I regret very doomy gloomy for me. It doesn't look good because in order to in order
• 41:38
  to win this we need to get seventh and eighth. Yep. Or to beat Alpine. To beat Alpine. With Alpine
• 41:48
  not getting any points. With Alpine not getting any points. Actually I think they could still get
• 41:52
  tenth and we would still have it by one point. Okay. I think you're right. Yeah we would have it
• 41:56
  by one point and the more realistic option Nico needs to do sixth or better. And that is not
• 42:03
  unreasonable. It's not. Nico has had sixth once or twice. At least once. You're going to need the
• 42:09
  Ferraris and the McLarens to really battle and create some carnage. I need some people to crash.
• 42:13
  Right. Correct. Correct. I think you need Yuki to not finish in points to end the season. I have a
• 42:18
  feeling he's going to finish in points to end the season. I could see Yuki. He could be in the way.
• 42:23
  Yeah. You know you could have Alonso in the way. I do want to point out too that Nico Hulkenberg
• 42:28
  has shown pace on this track in the past. Last year when the Haas was incredibly slow,
• 42:35
  Nico still got like twelfth on this track with a very very slow Haas. And you have Jack Doohan
• 42:42
  in the car this weekend as well instead of Ocon. That's something that I've thought about too.
• 42:46
  So they've got Pierre who we know scores points. We know who could be in points in this weekend.
• 42:52
  I don't know why they got rid of Ocon for this last race because yeah Ocon is kind of a problem
• 42:57
  child and he has his issues. But he has scored points and he is still a well-known driver. He
• 43:02
  does know this track. If they want to make sure that they take sixth, why would you get rid of
• 43:09
  your other veteran driver to put in Doohan? Which is he's almost assuredly not going to score points.
• 43:14
  If he does, maybe tenth. Right. I would agree with that. Not only first drive of F1 but also
• 43:22
  at Abu Dhabi where everybody's going to be driving crazy. Especially Alpin Haas and Vcarb who are all
• 43:28
  fighting for sixth. You make a really valid point. Why take out the driver when you are still
• 43:33
  battling for sixth place and the difference between sixth and seventh is 13 million dollars.
• 43:37
  Yeah. So I mean it's at least a chunk that it should be worth it. And a chunk that they want too.
• 43:42
  And finishing sixth like again, me being me, putting Aston on their own tier. I mean
• 43:48
  basically beating out best of the rest. I mean that's that'd be huge for Alpin. It'd be huge
• 43:53
  for Haas. I think there's plenty to play for here in that last race. I think they're going
• 43:57
  to be racing each other fairly hard. Also I hate the fact especially K-Meg and Nico. This is
• 44:03
  this is their swan song. Yeah this is their last race for Haas. I mean K-Meg this could be it.
• 44:07
  Right. You think he's not going to go out with a blaze? Oh yeah. Come on. Come on. And he's got
• 44:12
  hopefully not literally. And his super points reset. This just in. K-Meg takes 12 penalty points.
• 44:19
  Wow that'd be crazy. Maybe possible. Maybe we'd have a car left. Yeah he wouldn't. They'd be like
• 44:24
  but we're tired of the car. You have no wheel. And he's like I'm going. Driving wrong in Grosjean's car.
• 44:30
  To kind of jump back to O'Connell just a little bit. To your point and your point I mean you're
• 44:35
  right. He's he's proven himself in the past right. And to know that the fight is this close and much
• 44:40
  must really mean that Alpine just they just don't have the faith in it man. You know like that's
• 44:44
  got to suck to be this close into the best of the rest. I think they're sick of having the same
• 44:48
  conversation. Probably. And nothing's changing. It's like dude. And maybe they're focused maybe
• 44:52
  they're just focused as well. Like I mean I would hope that they want this place in instructors but
• 44:57
  maybe they want to get jacked that extra experience as well even if it is a single race. And that's
• 45:02
  100% they want to get jacked that experience. That's for sure part of it. You know. But we
• 45:08
  seriously got to move on so let's head right into our news Kev.
• 45:20
  And to start off our news real quick Alpine Academy driver Abby Pulling wins the 2024
• 45:26
  Academy Championship. As we continue to see more female drivers in in the academies. Who knows
• 45:32
  we'll see our first one in F1 in the near future I would imagine. That'd be cool.
• 45:36
  Uh. Checo. Set to leave Red Bull at the end of the season. That we all thought he would at least
• 45:42
  finish the season out. Or at least be given the end of the season. That's rather interesting.
• 45:48
  We'll circle back to that in a minute. Ok. Uh. Okan. I just wrote no race for you. Jack
• 45:52
  Doohan getting the start. Yeah we know. Uh. The FIA president. Um. Oh what is his name?
• 45:59
  Muhammad. What's his last name? Source of the nest. Slayan. Something like that. Uh.
• 46:05
  I almost said it but I'm gonna butcher it if I say it. And that's why I was not. Muhammad Bin
• 46:10
  Salyan. There you go. Salyan. Yes. Salyan. Salyan. It's an M at the end. Yes. Yes. Um.
• 46:16
  Lot of interesting stuff between him and the drivers right now. Uh. George kind of the
• 46:22
  spokesperson for whatever driver group it's called. I can't remember what it's called.
• 46:26
  But he came out and said something along the lines of like well we should know when high up
• 46:30
  higher up management is leaving or whatever and. Yeah. And this guy pretty much came out and said
• 46:35
  like well you're a driver and we don't really tell you how to drive so. You know what I mean?
• 46:39
  I was like whoa. And after the race. Kind of based. You kind of do. A little. Ok good morning.
• 46:45
  And after the race he kind of came up to shake like Oscar's hand. Did you guys see that video
• 46:49
  that short or whatever? I just saw it today. Yeah. You know and Oscar just like literally
• 46:53
  just pushes him off. I'm like whoa. So there's a lot of animosity there between the drivers and
• 46:59
  old uh FIA president. Thought that was wild. Yeah I don't think I'd read too much into that
• 47:04
  Oscar situation. It definitely was. No but it was interesting after this. You know what I mean?
• 47:08
  It was definitely him putting himself in a position like he always does just up front. And
• 47:12
  when you know Oscar wants to celebrate with his team. And that's what he did. So he you know he
• 47:16
  gave you know he held his hand for a moment. Uh he probably like the president probably wanted to
• 47:20
  talk to him or congratulate him and Oscar wasn't having it so. Yeah and another thing he said was
• 47:24
  like do we tell them what to have as their strategy? Like he's just really reaching into
• 47:29
  the hat. You know what I mean? But um Danny Rick rumblings already kind of circulating to Cadillac.
• 47:34
  I thought I saw something that he signed with Cadillac. And I was like okay that's fake. You
• 47:38
  know what I mean? Right. But the more and more I look it up uh there is a couple little rumblings
• 47:42
  out there that it's it's heating up if you will. But I mean when do you think they sign those
• 47:47
  drivers? Like are they going to sign them as early as 2025 to get them you know with the team this
• 47:53
  early? Because you already know they're developing a car and been developing a car. Yeah they have
• 47:57
  had to been. They definitely I mean yeah they definitely they definitely say who they're
• 48:01
  who's racing for them sometime next year. Yeah well you have to. Yeah. But you earlier later
• 48:07
  doesn't matter. They have a lot of time. I would imagine you'd want it as early as possible so you can start
• 48:12
  you know start gaining. Yeah yeah start trying to get you know a following. I'm kind of expecting
• 48:16
  sometime around mid-season break. Okay okay mid-season break yeah fair enough. That kind of
• 48:21
  checks out it gives them time to sort things out and also to give the driver pool time to settle down
• 48:26
  who knows what's going to happen next season. You might see somebody like Albin gets super upset
• 48:30
  driving with signs because he doesn't get to be the big fish in the pond and so Albin decides to
• 48:35
  leave and maybe go to Cadillac. That is an interesting pairing. It's crazy it's just little things like that
• 48:39
  can happen. It's a crazy take. Oh yeah things like that can happen. It's a crazy I'm not gonna lie.
• 48:45
  So like I can see why they'd want to wait a little while and and see where things develop you know.
• 48:50
  Well hear me out. Check out a caddy. I mean actually it's not the worst. It's a lot of money. It's not
• 48:56
  the worst idea in the world. Yeah it'd be. I mean you'd be a weird look. That's probably about it.
• 49:01
  Yeah yeah yeah I don't know if he'd be the number one you know what I mean. Yeah it just depends on
• 49:06
  who's driving with them. I feel like it would be hard to really determine a number one. So now though
• 49:13
  somebody's got to take that Red Bull seat next year. Yeah um and right now after last week it's
• 49:17
  like well I don't know who that should be because Yuki and Liam both don't look like they. I mean if
• 49:23
  you're gonna give it to one or the other it's Yuki for me. Yeah um it's one of them. Liam's just
• 49:27
  looking like he needs some more work at the you know at the major leagues. So yeah and this hasn't
• 49:32
  been confirmed but it's all over the place that it's all over and I think I think done at the end.
• 49:37
  Isaac Hadjar almost spoiled himself saying that he was confirmed for next year uh in the V-carb.
• 49:43
  In the V-carb. Yep. Like he was yeah I don't think. That wouldn't be that surprising if that's the move they
• 49:47
  decided to make. Oh 100% he I mean I've not to toot my own horn but I called it a mile away. Him and Liam though.
• 49:53
  I mean he's. I do also want to point out too though that uh Liam's contract was just for this season.
• 49:59
  It was just to finish off this season. Right he hasn't been confirmed for this season. He hasn't been confirmed for next season. I think they re-up them in a V-carb because they just they
• 50:05
  they're well wow I was about to say something really wild. I was gonna say they're really drinking
• 50:09
  Liam's Kool-Aid but. The Liam Kool-Aid. The Liam Kool-Aid. Yeah yeah yeah not his personally. You're right though I mean.
• 50:18
  There's something with Liam that Red Bull's just addicted to and I I think they're gonna sign him
• 50:22
  at least for another two years in V-carb and then at that point then I don't know. He's got to perform
• 50:28
  then at that point. Yeah and if the Red Bulls aren't you know it's the fans. I think the fans like Liam
• 50:33
  more if not as much as Red Bull. Uh there he's a driver he has the experience. Why but why wouldn't
• 50:38
  you put him in a car? Yeah yeah I'd give him a I'd give him a ride for a year or two but yeah if he
• 50:44
  doesn't. Red Bull. That's it yeah. No not Red Bull though but V-carb. Yeah it's V-carb but like I think
• 50:49
  Yuki gets the nod to start 2025. And then they can just swap. If Checo's out and then see what happens I
• 50:54
  don't know. I mean we could see dare I say it. I don't think Checo would take the V-carb seat though. No no
• 51:00
  I think Checo's going into reserve like if I don't think he's taking. Or an Ambassadorial
• 51:05
  role. Something like that. Something like that. I think I think he's still technically going to have to work for
• 51:09
  Red Bull for at least another year. Yeah. Because he had a one plus one and he hasn't even gotten to
• 51:16
  that first one yet. So I think he has to work. That's true. Yeah he has he has to work for Red Bull in some
• 51:21
  capacity. Or rather he gets to work for Red Bull so he's still gonna rake in a bit of money which is nice.
• 51:26
  Yep. I forget what I what oh yeah but filling that seat oh what I was going to say is could we see for
• 51:33
  the first time ever a three seat driver swap next year. They check they test Yuki doesn't work out.
• 51:39
  They test Liam doesn't work out. I don't think so. They put Isaac in there. That would make you that would be insane. That would make you the joke though of F1.
• 51:45
  You go from four time champion in a row to being the joke or at least WDC champion in a row.
• 51:50
  Yeah. I don't think that will happen. I don't think that will happen. That would be wild. That would be wild though.
• 51:56
  But it's still possible we see them swap out if Yuki or Liam cannot cut it early. For sure.
• 52:01
  With that we gotta head right into our our preview of where we going. Abu Dhabi.
• 52:08
  Abu Dhabi.
• 52:20
  And of course to start off our preview we have our I don't know lack of better title I guess.
• 52:28
  Abu Dhabi preview by our Emmy award winner Joe. I never got that Emmy. That's you. You all you don't have it.
• 52:35
  It's in the mail. It's coming. It's in the mail for a while. It's coming. Well it's you know I'm just going across the ocean.
• 52:42
  Okay. All right so talking about Abu Dhabi this year's Formula One Abu Dhabi name is Formula One
• 52:50
  at Tehad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2024 at the Yas Marina Circuit. My fun fact for this circuit
• 52:57
  is Verstappen Vettel and Roseberg share their maiden WDC wins at the circuit. Interesting.
• 53:03
  Looking at last year our starting grid was Max Charles and Oscar. Off the line Oscar gets a handy start from third
• 53:10
  leaving his teammate to defend from Russell wheel to wheel to the next turn. Lando eventually keeping
• 53:16
  fourth with Lando Charles and Max ahead. Or sorry with Oscar Charles and Max ahead. To the corner at the end of the straight
• 53:23
  Charles fights Max wheel to wheels almost touching but Max is able to just stay ahead at the end of the short battle.
• 53:28
  Down the line Max's teammate Checo makes a move for ninth position on the Hamilton and six it on lap three.
• 53:33
  Lap four Lando easily takes third place from Oscar no no fight between the teammates.
• 53:38
  Russell eventually catches up to Oscar on lap seven and attempts to overtake at the end of the second gear
• 53:42
  at straight. He looks like he's about to take the place from Oscar but he goes much wider. Oscar able to
• 53:47
  hold on to the inside line and keep the position. That fight continues into lap 11 where Russell attempts
• 53:52
  the same move in the same place but is able to make it stick this time getting in front of the McLaren
• 53:56
  before the turn where he failed before. Lando suffers a long pit in his fight for a podium and unfortunately
• 54:01
  loses position to Russell as they leave the pit. On the other side of the Mercedes garage Hamilton picks up
• 54:05
  some minor ring damage as he bumps into the back of the locked up Alpine in front of him. Perez continues
• 54:10
  his push up the grid on lap 25 making the move on Alonso for sixth. The two Mclarens now ahead of him.
• 54:15
  Three laps later he makes the move on Oscar for fifth. Perez continues to find the true pace of the
• 54:21
  Red Bull waking up and driving it as he makes the move for fourth on Lando and at the apex of that
• 54:26
  corner Lando turns into Perez who either suffers understeer or attempts to push Lando off as he
• 54:31
  just doesn't turn enough at the apex. Bumping one another forcing Lando to drive through and run off
• 54:36
  and back on the track shortly after leaving Perez on track behind him. Perez picks up a five second
• 54:41
  penalty for this. Lap 48 he attempts to overtake again and makes this makes it stick on Lando.
• 54:47
  On lap 54 he makes his way into the podium passing George and eventually passing Charles
• 54:52
  for second place before his penalties applied. Max crosses the line on lap 58 16 seconds ahead
• 54:57
  of his teammate in second winning his 19th grand prix in a season. Our final was Verstappen,
• 55:02
  Leclerc, Russell, Perez, Norris, Piastri, Alonso, Sonota, Hamilton and Stroll. So I said I said
• 55:09
  Perez a lot during this recap not going to see that this year. I was just about to say whoa
• 55:14
  Chako top three. He definitely drove well last year but if what you're saying is true and they
• 55:19
  haven't been upgrading his car there's just not there's no chance. Yeah no chance. I mean yeah I
• 55:26
  think I think it's pretty set in stone we see McLaren win the W era I'm sorry the Constructors
• 55:30
  not the WDC. But Ferrari will be close there behind and I think we could still see Max win the
• 55:36
  win the freaking race. You know he's got good history Abu Dhabi I love racing that track
• 55:41
  actually. It's really fun. On the horrible video game. He makes one of us. Oh you do not like Abu Dhabi.
• 55:47
  Oh you do struggle on Abu Dhabi. I've always struggled on Abu Dhabi. Fair enough. I don't know. You don't talk about Abu Dhabi. We don't talk about Abu Dhabi.
• 55:55
  Joe uh well actually I gotta start with the points so Tyler right now. Do we have to do that this week?
• 55:59
  Maybe we just skip it. Nope we gotta do it. Tyler leading in points with 47. Cole right behind him with 46
• 56:05
  so it's gonna come down to it for those two heading into Abu Dhabi. Yours truly is sitting at 38
• 56:12
  and Joe coming in at 36. Mike you got two fam. Hey you know what? You ain't gonna be in the last.
• 56:21
  Hey you know what I'll take it. I'm already gonna have like a five race minimum so I don't think he counts.
• 56:28
  I've already said in the group chat if I beat you I'm counting that as a win. I'm fighting for the
• 56:32
  I'm best of the rest right now. That's what I'm fighting for. Right well well first we'll start
• 56:37
  we'll start with Mike. Who's winning this race or who do you got on your podium? My bad. Who's winning this race?
• 56:41
  It's gonna be Lewis of course. Oh okay. I am actually saying Lewis, Max and Leclerc. In no particular order?
• 56:50
  In maybe a particular order. Oh you do think Lewis could win this race. I think he's coming
• 56:56
  guns blazing and I like I said he's really good on the track. He wants to end his time with Mercedes
• 57:00
  with the win. And Mercedes has been fast so I think well George has been fast. George has been fast.
• 57:05
  I mean Lewis is I mean Lewis didn't look that bad. Not this week. Tin foil hat non-zero chance that they
• 57:12
  just go George just sit back look we're gonna let we're gonna let Lewis drive your car this weekend.
• 57:17
  It's his last weekend. That's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. Tin foil hat we can take that off.
• 57:23
  Yeah yeah that's crazy. I mean you just throw it away. It's true it could he could win it. It could happen.
• 57:27
  Hamilton did they get ninth last year. What's your point? Tyler and Cole with the exact same podium.
• 57:34
  I don't know why they would do that when when Cole is one point behind you know what I mean?
• 57:38
  You gotta take a chance somewhere. Yeah right. So Cole doesn't there's no other wins it. There's no
• 57:42
  chance for Cole. Let me double check okay make sure I didn't read it wrong but like
• 57:47
  George Landau Leclerc oh I'm an idiot. George Landau oh I put Max in there.
• 57:55
  Okay so there's yeah I'm trying to sabotage everybody needs to check this out because I'm obviously doing
• 58:03
  wrong. Okay Cole went George Landau Leclerc. Tyler went George Landau Max. Okay but that still means
• 58:10
  Tyler wins if he can only get one extra point. Well he could tie him if he gets a perfect. Are
• 58:15
  they only one point apart? Yeah so he could still tie but I don't see yeah there's really not a good
• 58:21
  chance to win there. Oh man so they could just tie. They could just tie or Cole's gonna lose on the
• 58:26
  last race. Joe oh wait no I guess I'll go. Yeah I'm gonna need you to go first.
• 58:37
  Crazy they both got George in there. I mean it's not that crazy but. George has been pretty quick.
• 58:41
  He has been quick. I'm going you know what I think Lewis is also on the podium. I'm going
• 58:46
  yeah I'm thinking I'm gonna go Lewis Landau Max. Okay okay I'm two points behind you.
• 58:55
  Correct and I just want Lewis Landau Max. So you should go Ferraris and McClair. Yeah I should.
• 59:03
  I'm gonna go George.
• 59:07
  Man I need three points to beat you. That sucks. But if I can tie you I guess that's still kind of.
• 59:18
  Now he's changing the stipulations to his moral victories. I'm not yeah I'm like I remember
• 59:23
  earlier in the season I was like I was like I'm just I'm doing this based on you know what I
• 59:28
  well I mean yeah I'm just trying to I'm just trying to salvage anything I can. He's trying
• 59:32
  to make it sound good in his head. So Russell I need two two points to. Oh yeah Oscar for sure.
• 59:41
  We'll say Oscar. Who else did you have on your podium? So that would tie us. Max, Landau and Lewis.
• 59:45
  So you would need to take like Carlos. Take LeClair. I should take LeClair. That's a good one.
• 59:50
  LeClair is likely gonna be up there. I'm the crazy one putting Lewis on my podium. He is crazy.
• 59:55
  Honestly, George is probably the only one that I would have actually put on my like podium if I
• 1:00:03
  wasn't trying to salvage points. Because the other two would have been the papayas. It would have
• 1:00:06
  been it would have been Landau and Max probably. Landau and who? Max. Max yeah. Call me crazy. I
• 1:00:11
  don't think Landau's gonna do great. It's possible. I like I said I think they're definitely on a
• 1:00:16
  downswing right now. Again I don't know if it's because the others are just so fast or if it's
• 1:00:20
  the if it's just the track isn't good for them but they're definitely not as good as midseason.
• 1:00:25
  And maybe they're just prepping for next year and that's all I can really hope. They're prepping
• 1:00:30
  for next season. They're prepping to repeat as Constructors champions. We saw them during that
• 1:00:34
  sprint. And win a WDC. End up win a WDC. I think they have a real chance at that. But don't worry.
• 1:00:41
  This might be the last race that we're previewing but we got plenty coming in the off season.
• 1:00:47
  As we get ready for the 2025 season. But like always thank you Mike. Thanks for coming this week.
• 1:00:53
  Thank you for having me. Hopefully you're a permanent guest next season. Maybe. Or this off
• 1:00:58
  season you know. You know what whatever you want Mike. Whatever you want to do. Joe as always you
• 1:01:05
  know we'll we'll be here next week but. Yeah we'll be here. Thanks for having me though. Yeah thanks
• 1:01:09
  for being on. Yeah we don't let him leave. Yeah he he just lives here. We just chain him.
• 1:01:14
  And then of course Kev behind the camera and the computer's making everything happen for us. Thanks Kev.
• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:29
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