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The Ron Verb Show - Full Broadcast from Friday, 08/07/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: Now, Ron Verb on NewsRadio 570 WKBN.
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  Speaker 2: Callers online, stand by because I want to talk to
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  Speaker 2: somebody who I talked to this afternoon. Here's a guy
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  Speaker 2: that I got to tell you I just admire. I
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  Speaker 2: admire because, do you remember a couple weeks ago when
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  Speaker 2: I played you some of the sound bites out of
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  Speaker 2: Florida from Ron DeSantis and his philosophy when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to property taxes and taxes in general? As I said
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  Speaker 2: to you in Florida, they are spending less this year
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  Speaker 2: than they did the year before. And they're spending less
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  Speaker 2: that year than they did the year before that. Not
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  Speaker 2: adjusted for inflation. The dollar amounts, forget adjusting for inflation.
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  Speaker 2: It's less, they're spending less each year over that period
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  Speaker 2: of time than they did the year before. And so
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  Speaker 2: they do something called zero-based budgeting. In other words, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to start and say, hey, this is where
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  Speaker 2: you were last year, so let's start from there and
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  Speaker 2: see if you need any increases or anything. They're going
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  Speaker 2: to simply say, okay, we start at zero. It's the philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: Like DeSantis says, we in governments, the only way we
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  Speaker 2: can give relief to our citizens is through trying to
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  Speaker 2: let them keep more of their money as far as
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  Speaker 2: taxes are concerned instead of the other way around. his
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  Speaker 2: attitude is just refreshing. It's just refreshing when you listen
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  Speaker 2: to him talk. And in November, they got something on
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  Speaker 2: a ballot down there that's going to have some major
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  Speaker 2: reforms on property taxes in Florida. And with that in mind,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just admire his philosophy. But there's a
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  Speaker 2: guy in Lake County that I admire his philosophy. Commissioner
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  Speaker 2: Noh is his nickname there. John Plechnik is his birth name. John,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to the program.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, hello. It's John Plechnik. Good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Plechnik, okay. I keep doing it with a C. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why I do that. It's Plechnik. Okay, Plechnik.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like an S, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to a C. Plechnik, okay.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a C-H, Plechnik. And actually, there's a reason
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  Speaker 3: for that. If you look at my logo on any
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  Speaker 3: yard sign, you'll see a check over the C. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't come up with that. There's a check over the
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  Speaker 3: C in Slovenian. I'm a first-generation American. My father came
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  Speaker 3: from Slovenia. Plečnik is a Slovenian name, and the accent mark,
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  Speaker 3: the check over the C, shows it's pronounced C-H, so
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  Speaker 3: it's Plečnik.
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  Speaker 2: No wonder I don't get it right. See, I need
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  Speaker 2: the check mark there. Before I get into your philosophies,
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  Speaker 2: which I find fascinating, tell me a little bit about yourself,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm intrigued about you. Tell me about where you
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  Speaker 2: went to high school. and your academics, or what do
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  Speaker 2: I want to say, were you smart in high school,
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  Speaker 2: then where you went for your bachelor's degree, and then
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  Speaker 2: you went to Duke Law School. Tell me a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about your journey to going to Duke and graduating
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  Speaker 2: as a lawyer. I mean, those are some monumental accomplishments.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. So I was very blessed to be homeschooled. My
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  Speaker 3: mother was a teacher before she married my father. And
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  Speaker 3: so I went all the way through high school as
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  Speaker 3: a homeschooled student, and my mother was just an absolutely
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  Speaker 3: brilliant teacher, and it was a great blessing. Then I
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  Speaker 3: went on to Belmont Abbey College, where I not only studied,
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  Speaker 3: but I worked in the monastery kitchen for the Benedictine monks.
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  Speaker 3: I mopped the floors, set the tables, and when it
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  Speaker 3: occasionally snowed, I even made pizza for the monks. But
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  Speaker 3: I worked almost 40 hours a week while I went
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  Speaker 3: to college. a major in accounting, and from there I
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  Speaker 3: went on to law school at Duke University where I
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  Speaker 3: graduated at the age of 22. And I used that
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  Speaker 3: law degree to go to New York City to practice
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  Speaker 3: tax and employee benefits while I continued to go to
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  Speaker 3: school at night at New York University School of Law,
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  Speaker 3: the number one ranked graduate tax program in the country,
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  Speaker 3: and that's where I earned my Master of Laws in Taxation.
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  Speaker 3: So I have degrees in accounting, law, and tax, and
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  Speaker 3: that's why I have always been a strong fit when
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  Speaker 3: it came to working on budgets, governmental or otherwise, because
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  Speaker 3: those are the fundamentals, accounting, law, and tax.
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  Speaker 2: So you graduate Duke at the age of 22, you said?
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: That was with a law degree or an accounting degree?
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  Speaker 3: With a law degree. I graduated from college when I
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  Speaker 3: was 19.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is really something, man. I mean, this is...
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  Speaker 2: Like I say on the air when you're not here,
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  Speaker 2: I graduated University of Akron, and I don't think I'm
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  Speaker 2: worthy to even speak with you. I mean, it's just
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  Speaker 2: very impressive. So homeschooling worked out really well for you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, your mother really gave you a great education.
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  Speaker 2: It gave you a huge head start. Would you agree
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  Speaker 2: with that?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I said in the footnote to my very first
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  Speaker 3: Law Review article that I dedicate this to my mother.
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  Speaker 3: Her sacrifices are my success.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because, I mean, what she did and the education
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  Speaker 2: you got from homeschooling from your mother, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that that would be equal if you went to the
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  Speaker 2: public school system, would it be?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it would have been equal in any
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  Speaker 3: school system. Homeschooling isn't right for every family. The parents
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  Speaker 3: certainly have to be qualified. But given that my mother
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  Speaker 3: was a teacher by trade, she was the most qualified
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  Speaker 3: and the most motivated to give me the best education
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  Speaker 3: humanly possible. So I'm not here to say homeschooling is
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  Speaker 3: right for every family, but it was very right for
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  Speaker 3: our family, and I'm grateful to my mother for giving
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  Speaker 3: me that education.
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  Speaker 2: When you graduated from Duke Law School, I mean, why
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  Speaker 2: didn't you say, okay, I'm going to get a job
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  Speaker 2: at some firm or I'm going to represent people? I did.
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  Speaker 3: I did. I was at a law firm for two
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  Speaker 3: years in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: Did you like it?
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  Speaker 4: I did.
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  Speaker 5: I did.
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  Speaker 3: But in the back of my mind, I always wanted
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  Speaker 3: to be a professor. My father was a professor of philosophy, logic,
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  Speaker 3: and theology, and I always wanted to teach myself. So
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  Speaker 3: while I was enjoying the work at the firm, in
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  Speaker 3: the back of my mind, I thought, what could I
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  Speaker 3: do to ultimately teach? And I called my old tax
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  Speaker 3: professor at Duke University, Professor Richard Schmalbeck, and I said,
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  Speaker 3: what can I do? What should I do if teaching
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  Speaker 3: is my goal? And he said... You need to do
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  Speaker 3: a federal clerkship. You need to work for a federal judge.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously, if you want to be a tax professor,
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  Speaker 3: the U.S. tax court is the clerkship for you. And
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  Speaker 3: I said, well, I happen to know some of your
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  Speaker 3: former students are judges on the tax court. Would you
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  Speaker 3: be willing to recommend me? And he was kind enough
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  Speaker 3: to do so. I ended up accepting a clerkship with
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  Speaker 3: a brand new judge, one of President Bush's, George W.
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  Speaker 3: Bush's last appointees. And I was his very first law clerk.
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  Speaker 3: I opened the office in D.C. And so after two
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  Speaker 3: years in New York City working for my firm, I
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  Speaker 3: spent two years in Washington, D.C. as an attorney advisor
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  Speaker 3: to a brand new judge on the U.S. tax court
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  Speaker 3: and helped to write opinions. And that was a great
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  Speaker 3: experience where I got to see the law from the
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  Speaker 3: perspective of the bench from the judge and continue to
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  Speaker 3: build my expertise.
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  Speaker 2: So after you got done with Duke Law School, what
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  Speaker 2: possessed you to say, I'm going to go further, and
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  Speaker 2: you went to New York?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I graduated with a faculty award for tax and
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  Speaker 3: estate planning from Duke, and I really wanted to continue
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  Speaker 3: my education in tax. As I said before, NYU is
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  Speaker 3: the number one ranked graduate tax program in the world,
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  Speaker 3: and it has been as long as the rankings have existed.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not like it competes with other schools. It's
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  Speaker 3: been number one forever. And if you want to be
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  Speaker 3: a tax guy, NYU is where you want to go.
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  Speaker 3: A side note, you might know Barron Trump as a
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  Speaker 3: student at NYU as well in the undergraduate program. But
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  Speaker 3: if you want to be a tax person, NYU is
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  Speaker 3: the school. And so I love tax law. I felt
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  Speaker 3: like this is the fit for me. Ultimately, tax law
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  Speaker 3: is the nexus of all public policy because it comes
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  Speaker 3: down to how we pay for society. Taxes are... are
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  Speaker 3: the centrifugal focus of all politics. And so given that
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to know how government worked and how to
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  Speaker 3: make it work better, I wanted to study tax law,
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  Speaker 3: and NYU is the number one place in the world
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  Speaker 3: to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting to me that once you got
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  Speaker 2: through Duke and once you got a law degree, that
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  Speaker 2: you wanted to go on further and study tax law.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it would seem that would be like about
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  Speaker 2: the last thing in the world anybody would want to study.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what they say, find something no one
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  Speaker 3: else wants to do and do it well. You always
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  Speaker 3: have a job.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And so you studied tax law, and then you
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  Speaker 2: also said accounting, correct?
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  Speaker 3: That's right. Accounting was my undergraduate major. Then I got
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  Speaker 3: my law degree from Duke University, and finally my Master
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  Speaker 3: of Laws and Taxation from NYU.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, those are very impressive credentials. How did that
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  Speaker 2: working at a New York law firm and the things
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  Speaker 2: that you described to us earlier, John, how did that
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  Speaker 2: lead you to be in Lake County and becoming a commissioner?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me how you went from where you were working
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  Speaker 2: to where you are now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, as I shared, my goal was to become a
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  Speaker 3: tax professor, and I was very blessed in that I
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  Speaker 3: had multiple offers to teach, but one of them was
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  Speaker 3: from Cleveland State University. And given that my father's family
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  Speaker 3: had largely settled from Slovenia and the Cleveland area, I
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  Speaker 3: felt a strong connection to Northeast Ohio. I've been coming here.
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  Speaker 3: my entire life. And so it was an easy choice
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  Speaker 3: to say yes to Cleveland State University, where I began
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  Speaker 3: my full-time teaching career. But almost as soon as I
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  Speaker 3: started to get involved in the community, people said, would
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  Speaker 3: you step up in this and this and this leadership role?
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  Speaker 3: And I went from chairman of the Willoughby Hills Recreation Commission,
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  Speaker 3: to vice president of the Willoughby Eastlake Library Board of Trustees,
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  Speaker 3: and ultimately vice president of Willoughby Hills City Council. That's
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  Speaker 3: the point where ultimately and unexpectedly a commissioner appointment came open.
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  Speaker 3: One of the county commissioners resigned. And so given that
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  Speaker 3: he was a Republican, that meant the Republican Party had
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  Speaker 3: to appoint his replacement. And when push came to shove,
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  Speaker 3: 79 people voted for me. And here's the interesting part, Ron.
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  Speaker 3: I got exactly 79 votes to be appointed the 79th
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  Speaker 3: commissioner in the history of Lake County, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that something? And when I sit back
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  Speaker 2: and think about people in these particular offices, I can
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  Speaker 2: think of no one better qualified from an academic standpoint
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  Speaker 2: than you to go into an office like this. Can
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  Speaker 2: you tell me when you first entered politics, was there
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  Speaker 2: much of a learning curve for you, whether that was
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  Speaker 2: when you first started or when you became a commissioner,
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  Speaker 2: or were you pretty adept to it from the very
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  Speaker 2: beginning because of your educational background?
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  Speaker 3: I think my educational background prepared me for public service
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  Speaker 3: very well. Understanding government fund accounting, incrementalism versus zero-based budgeting,
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  Speaker 3: these are concepts that I've studied, researched, and taught my
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  Speaker 3: whole life. So the public service part was a really
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  Speaker 3: tight fit. I immediately understood. The politics, though, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think anything can prepare you for. I know you've seen
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  Speaker 3: it firsthand as a public figure, Ron. It's never been
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  Speaker 3: nastier out there. People are not trying to have a
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  Speaker 3: full and fair debate. There's minions and keyboard warriors and
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  Speaker 3: trolls and fake profiles, and it's just a pile of
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  Speaker 3: nastiness designed for political power. We're not really having a
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  Speaker 3: debate between gentlemen and gentlewomen to see who the most
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  Speaker 3: qualified people are. Politics today is a blood sport, and
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  Speaker 3: it's sad, because a lot of the most qualified people
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  Speaker 3: aren't willing to fight it out.
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  Speaker 2: Over the years, John, I interviewed a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: over the years in politics, and I stopped interviewing most
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  Speaker 2: of them. They weren't that impressive. I mean, this sounds bad,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want to sound bad or arrogant. They
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  Speaker 2: weren't that bright. They weren't that impressive. And it seemed
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  Speaker 2: like so many of them were in it because it
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  Speaker 2: was a good job for them and a good paycheck
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  Speaker 2: and good benefits, and they really didn't know how to
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  Speaker 2: do anything else. But they didn't come to it with
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  Speaker 2: great academic credentials or an understanding of– Just money and business,
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  Speaker 2: I guess you would say, or public service?
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  Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately, when the best people demur because they don't
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  Speaker 3: want to deal with the nasty politics, who's left? And
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  Speaker 3: the reason why I felt such a strong commitment and
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  Speaker 3: calling to continue this work, even though it's often difficult,
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  Speaker 3: almost always thankless, and you usually get yelled at by
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of people that don't know you, I continue
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  Speaker 3: to do it because I consider the alternative. As you
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  Speaker 3: pointed out, most people who enter politics do so because
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  Speaker 3: they're self-interested. They want to make a career of it.
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  Speaker 3: They want to be famous. I can honestly say if
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  Speaker 3: I were making this decision just for me, I would
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  Speaker 3: not be running for re-election. I would leave it to
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  Speaker 3: someone else. but I feel a sincere calling to do
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  Speaker 3: the job. I don't think there's someone right here right
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  Speaker 3: now who's ready to do it better than me, and
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  Speaker 3: so I feel called to do this work. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that more people who truly have expertise in their
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  Speaker 3: profession need to make the sacrifice of running for office
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  Speaker 3: to take those punches, to let those insults roll off
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  Speaker 3: their back shoulder, because we need the best people in office.
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  Speaker 3: We don't need whoever is left We don't need people
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  Speaker 3: who can't find a better job, so they go for politics.
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  Speaker 3: We need people for whom it's a genuine sacrifice to
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  Speaker 3: make that sacrifice. I mean, George Washington gave up a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful life on Mount Vernon to fight a war and
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  Speaker 3: risk treason against Great Britain. Donald Trump risked going to
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  Speaker 3: prison for the rest of his life to run for
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  Speaker 3: president three times. We need men like that who are
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  Speaker 3: willing to sacrifice everything, who could live a much better
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  Speaker 3: life without politics. The people who don't want it are
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  Speaker 3: the ones that we want to serve.
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  Speaker 2: When I when I started out, I started out talking
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  Speaker 2: about Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, who I think
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  Speaker 2: is terrific as as a governor. And if you study
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  Speaker 2: anything that he first first and foremost, the thing I
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  Speaker 2: like about DeSantis is he reads. I mean, he reads
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  Speaker 2: and and that's how he makes a lot of his decisions.
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  Speaker 2: He's a lawyer as well. But he reads, and when
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  Speaker 2: he goes beyond that, he has the same type philosophy
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  Speaker 2: that you do when it comes to taxes. Do you
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  Speaker 2: sense that? Let me do my break, and then I'd
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  Speaker 2: like you to respond to that. Get your comments about
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  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis. We've got a lot to cover here with
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  Speaker 2: Commissioner No, John Plushnick, back in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: And talk station 570 wkbn.
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  Speaker 2: It's 325 in the afternoon news radio 570 wkbn do
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  Speaker 2: you understand the comparison i make because when i take
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  Speaker 2: a look at de sanis and what he's doing with
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  Speaker 2: property taxes and his philosophy and your philosophy not just
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  Speaker 2: as lawyers but i see a lot of similarity do
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  Speaker 2: you notice that or do you look at that.
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  Speaker 3: At all I do. I do. I was recently speaking
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  Speaker 3: on a panel hosted by Ideastream at the Cleveland Metro
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  Speaker 3: Park Zoo. And when I was asked about property taxes,
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  Speaker 3: I quoted Ron DeSantis. I said, how absurd is it
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  Speaker 3: that we pay tax every year, every year, every year
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  Speaker 3: to stay in our home like a serf paying rent
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  Speaker 3: to the government? We would never do that with a
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  Speaker 3: television set. As Governor DeSantis said, we pay sales tax
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  Speaker 3: once and the TV is ours. We would revolt if
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  Speaker 3: we were told you have to keep paying on that
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  Speaker 3: TV every month, every year. It's absurd. And we sometimes
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  Speaker 3: need to reframe these issues like Governor DeSantis does in
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  Speaker 3: a powerful way. Would you be willing to pay property
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  Speaker 3: tax on your TV?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: You'd say it was a joke. And so why are
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  Speaker 3: we so willing to pay such high property taxes on
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  Speaker 3: something as sacred as our home?
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  Speaker 2: And then it isn't just based on even if you
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  Speaker 2: continue to pay and based on what you paid for
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  Speaker 2: your home initially. That's one thing, but to say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're not only going to have you pay these taxes
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  Speaker 2: every year, but we're going to tell you we think
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  Speaker 2: your house is now worth this, and this is what
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  Speaker 2: your taxes are going to be. That even goes to
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  Speaker 2: another step.
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  Speaker 3: And that, Ron, is a tax on unrealized gains. They're
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  Speaker 3: taxing you on income you haven't even earned yet. And
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  Speaker 3: let me say it more powerfully. They're taxing you on
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  Speaker 3: income you may never earn because your home might not
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  Speaker 3: be worth as much as they say. or even if
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  Speaker 3: it is, it might go down in value before you
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  Speaker 3: sell it. So they're taxing you on income that you
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  Speaker 3: might never earn with a wholly fictional value that serves
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  Speaker 3: no purpose other than to raise your taxes.
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  Speaker 2: How is that legal?
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  Speaker 3: It's because the Ohio Constitution is not as well written
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  Speaker 3: as our U.S. Constitution. A lot of people say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: property taxes are unconstitutional, and I would say yes. Under
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  Speaker 3: the U.S. Constitution, the federal government, Congress, cannot charge you
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  Speaker 3: a direct tax on your property. without going through a
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  Speaker 3: whole bunch of shenanigans that go way beyond the scope
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  Speaker 3: of our conversation today. For practical purposes, a property tax
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: like we have in Ohio could not be levied by
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: the federal government. It would be unconstitutional. That's because our
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: founding fathers and mothers were wise. Unfortunately, the Ohio Constitution
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: gives a lot more room for taxing than the federal Constitution,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: and that authority's been abused.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So it leads us to where we are today. Incidentally,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: we had the re-evaluations where taxes went up pretty significantly
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: here in Mahoning County. Then we just got through with
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the other re-evaluations that just took place where they'll go
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: up again. But because of Dave Thomas, those increases will
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: be based on the rate of inflation, not on that 25% increase.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Correct?
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: That's true, but we need to bear in mind that
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: inflation can be very substantial. Since 2019, we've had something
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: like 30% inflation. So Representative Thomas' bill limiting increases in
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: the value of your home to inflation is an improvement.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I would argue it's not enough. To your original point, Ron,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: if we're going to keep property taxes, which I don't
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: want to do, but if we're going to keep them,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Value should be set at sales price. It should never
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: go up unless or until you sell your home.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think everybody listening that would say if we're
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: going to keep them, that's how it should be. But
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I want to do a follow-up question. Stand by. Oh, no,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I got some time here. The follow-up question to that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: would be, what do you do from the aspect of
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: government because there are victims of inflation and a fire
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: truck has doubled in price or a police car has
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: gone from $ 50, 000 to $ 80, 000. Their wages have gone up
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to keep employees and their health care benefits cost more.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So they do need additional money for their employees, just
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: as a private sector business would have to raise prices.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So how do you do that?
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I'd say that argument is a fallacy. Because you can
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: respond just as easily. You can't raise taxes because taxpayers
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: face inflation and they can't afford it. The reality is
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: we have a bimodal question. Do we put the burden
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: of inflation on the taxpayer or on government? And I
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: believe it's government's job to become constantly more effective and efficient.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: in a way that mitigates inflation. You should be X
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: percent more efficient every year. Frankly, you should outpace inflation
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: with your efficiency increases. That's the standard we should set.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Stand by. Stand by. Back after the break. I told
• 20:47
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• 22:00
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• 22:02
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• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Back to it. News Radio 570. And Ron Ferb from
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Lake County. It's Commissioner Noe. John Plushnick is on the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: end of our line. So you basically, when I talked
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: about DeSantis, as I say, DeSantis this year, he will
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: spend less money than the year before. And the year before,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: he spent less money than the year before that. Not
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: based on inflation. I mean, he doesn't adjust for inflation.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: It's just we're spending less money each year than they did.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: That's the type of efficiency you're talking about when it
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: comes to government, correct?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: That's right. And yet, and I have to give a
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: little perspective here between Ohio and Florida. And yet Ohio's
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: spending is going up and up and up. I mean,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Ohio spends about twice as much per capita as Florida does.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: So I agree with you. Florida is making itself, if
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: not one of, the model for governance amongst the states.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: But Ohio is way behind. And there's a lot of
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: low-hanging fruit. There's a lot to cut. So when people
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: say you can't just cut spending to make up the difference,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I say Florida is proving you wrong.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Right, because, I mean, just think about it. Each year
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: he's spending less than he did the year before. Once again,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: not adjusted for inflation. So it's the same dollars. You follow?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: You dig what I'm saying, right? I mean, and that's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the approach. It's just an amazing philosophy that he has.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: It reminds me so much of what you're doing. So
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you're saying you want to get rid of property taxes altogether,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: but if we have to keep them, you say it
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: should be based on what you initially bought your house at,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: not what they say it's worth, and you're paying on that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and for those who say that's impossible, California has
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that rule. Liberal California says, So they passed Prop 13.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: It was a ballot initiative. Obviously, their legislators wouldn't have
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: adopted something like this, but they passed Prop 13 in California,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: which froze property values at sales price. It's being done.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: It can be done. It would work here. And I've
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: long said, Ron, that if we can't agree to abolish
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: property taxes, then two reforms would deal with a lot
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: of the grief. One, we just discussed. property value equals
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: sales price. The other is we should absolutely abolish property
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: taxes for seniors. I want to abolish property taxes for everyone,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: but if you're unwilling to go that far, it would
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: only cost us 3% of Ohio's all-funds budget to exempt
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: seniors 100% from property taxes. That's the minimum we should do.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Define senior. Is it age-based, 65? How do you define this?
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I would define it the same way as the homestead exemption,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: which is 65 years of age and older.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: Would it be income-based or just age-based?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: If we had no income limits, no value limits, it
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: would cost less than 3% of Ohio's budget. If you
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: imposed income and value limits, it would be even cheaper,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: probably half as expensive.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, I would be opposed to imposing any
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: type of financial requirements because they're always set so low
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: it just eliminates a lot of people. To me, if
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you're going to give– once again, I go back to Florida.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: In Florida, everyone gets a homestead exemption if that's your
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: primary residence. It isn't age-based at all.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: It's based on– Well, my point to you, Ron, is
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: that even without income or value limits, so that every senior,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: everyone 65 years of age and older gets it– That's
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: a $ 3 billion annual cost. That's less than 3% of
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Ohio's budget. That's an inflation adjustment, Ron. And the fact
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: that our state legislature hasn't made that tiny, modest, doable
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: reform tells me they're not serious yet.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: So to do that, you're saying that they should be
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: able to do that without raising any taxes by simply
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: cutting some of the ridiculous spending in the state of Ohio, correct?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Cut a little spending. Our surplus this year was almost
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: enough to pass this. I mean, they'd have to cut
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: less than 1% of their budget, throw the surplus at it,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and boom, you've exempted every senior from property tax.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: How would that affect the local community, then, if the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: seniors stopped paying property taxes? Would it come from the state,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: or would it just be void?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Under my plan, where I'm saying cut the state budget,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: the state would reimburse the localities just like they do
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: for the homestead exemption, and there'd be no effect on localities.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, so in essence, the state just covers those taxes
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: by the surplus that they have and or by cutting
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: some degree of spending. What percentage is the $ 3 billion
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of the state budget?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: The state budget's a little over $ 100 billion, so a
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: little less than 3%.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So you're questioning, why isn't this being championed? Why isn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: this getting done?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I know that Senator Alcatrona has a bill in the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: state legislature for a 50% exemption for seniors. I've talked
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: to him. He said he's open to doubling it to 100%.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: But he says that his bill has gotten no movement.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: It's stuck in committee. And that should change. That bill
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: should be updated to 100% exemption. And it should be
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: priority number one. And both Vivek and Amy Acton, if
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: they seriously want to stand in front of us and say,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: we're leaders... Vivek Ramaswamy and Amy Acton should go to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the state legislature and refuse to leave until they pass
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: that exemption.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Do you think the constitutional amendment will get enough signatures?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I believe it will, but not until next year. I mean,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I think folks were hopeful. I was certainly hopeful that
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: a miracle would happen and we could collect over 600,000
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: signatures in one year without But realistically speaking, this is
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: not a paid campaign. We do not have paid circulators
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: going around Ohio collecting signatures. Everyone is volunteering. And to
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: get half the signatures in a year is pretty miraculous. Now,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: that said, I know Brian Massey, the founder of the
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: movement to abolish property taxes. He's from Lake County. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: he is 100% confident we're going to have the signatures
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: by next year. I share his confidence.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I sit back with a great deal of
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: pride of how many signatures we've gotten in this community
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and the volunteers that we have in this community that
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I would say are second to none. If we could
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: clone them and send them to other areas, we would
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: be blessed to say the least. I mean, I sit
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: back and question why talk radio isn't doing more in
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: other communities because they're doing nothing and why we don't
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: have more Denise's out in the world and the girls
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that are helping her. collect these signatures i mean we
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: have a lot in this community to be.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Proud of i completely agree mahoning county has done an
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: extraordinary job of mobilizing and collecting signatures and that effort
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: is not going to waste we have put big government
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: on notice it may take us another year to get
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: there but we're done being talked down to and told
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: there's no appetite to cut taxes we can't afford to
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: cut taxes tell us how you're going to replace the
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: money Let me ask you this, Ron. Does anyone go
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: to the homeowner and ask them how can they afford
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: to pay higher and higher property taxes? Does the government
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: ask you before they raise your taxes, Ron, do you
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: have a plan to afford this? Do they say, okay,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: you don't, we're not going to raise your taxes? Do
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: they ever ask you, Ron?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: No, they never have.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Exactly right. So why should we ask governments? The reality
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: is the burden is going to fall on the taxpayer
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: or the government.
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: It's bimodal.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: It is one or the other. Who can better afford
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: to take the hit? And let me tell you, government
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: is fat and happy and the taxpayer is being squeezed
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: to death. If we have to choose who takes the hit,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: this is an easy choice. Let's make our government more
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: like Florida. Let's cut back taxes. and finally give the
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: taxpayer some relief. But the next time I hear someone say,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: how are you going to pay for it? I laugh.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I've given you the answer. Two words, cut spending. The
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: fact that you don't like the answer isn't my problem.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Right. And it's obviously clear that's what he continues to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: do in Florida and continues to provide all the services
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that people are asking for.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: If anything, Florida provides better services than Ohio, and it's
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: doing it for about half the cost. So to all
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the naysayers who claim there's no way that we could
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: possibly provide good government services and abolish property taxes, they've
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: been disproven ten times over because Ohio is overspending to
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: such an incredible degree. Ron, according to WalletHub, we are
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: the 16th highest taxed state in the nation. Also, according
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: to WalletHub, we have the eighth highest property taxes in
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the nation. We don't have the eighth or the sixteenth
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: best services. We are way overtaxed. We are way underserved.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: And here's the bad news for government. Taxpayers aren't saying
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: cut my taxes and cut services.
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: Oh, no.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: The news is far worse for big government. We're saying
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: we want to abolish property taxes and we want more
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: and better services. And Florida is proof it can be done.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: If this gets on the ballot, do you believe it'll pass?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: So far, Ron, every poll says that it will.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: But you know, John, you know there will be millions
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: spent by all the lobbying groups to run commercials to
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: defeat it. scary you to vote for it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I know, but I think that that's a little bit
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: of a red herring here, Ron, because all those special
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: interests know that this is not your typical campaign. You
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: want to beat John Plechnik? You run a bunch of
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: ads saying that John's terrible or stupid or wrong, and
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: people scratch their head and go, wow, there's so many
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: commercials saying he's a bad guy. Maybe he is. It's
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: very easy to personally attack a representative, to attack a person.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It's harder on an issue, particularly an issue that benefits
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: the taxpayer. They pretty much have to run the attack
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: out on you and say, you, taxpayer, are greedy. You
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: are a bad person. You aren't willing to share. How
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: dare you? I don't know that that kind of advertising
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: is going to resonate when you're telling the voter that
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: they're a terrible person and they should be ashamed because
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: they can't afford these property taxes that are asking for relief.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I think the backlash will be epic. I think if
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: they do spend tens of millions of dollars telling voters
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: that they're selfish and that they won't have roads, police,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: or fire if they vote for this, I think you
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: could see 80%, 90% vote against them because even a
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: majority of Democrats in some polls show they support abolishing
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: property taxes. I think there's a real danger for government
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: here that they are overplaying their hand. The people are
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: already unsatisfied with how government's being run. We see the waste, fraud,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: and abuse in our face every day. And if you're
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: going to add insult to injury and tell us we're
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: greedy and stupid because we complain our taxes are too high,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: get ready for all the bums to be thrown out
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: of office.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Let me play you a clip from DeSantis, and then
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I'll get your reaction to it, okay? I got to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: keep you on the line here as I play this.
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: We're looking to give people relief from the high cost
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: of living. I mean, we've had a major inflationary period
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: in American history, one of the most inflationary. Groceries, all
• 34:21
  Speaker 13: these things. Who knows what's going to happen with oil?
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: The one thing we control is tax. And so in Florida,
• 34:28
  Speaker 13: local governments get property tax. We don't get it at
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: the state. We've got a plush rainy day fund. We've
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: paid down half our debt since I've been governor. I've
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: got all this great stuff. We're doing great. Local governments,
• 34:40
  Speaker 13: when I became governor, were taking in $ 32 billion. Now
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: they're taking in $ 60 billion. So their revenue has almost
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: doubled in seven years.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: Because they're assessing the values higher, and the values have
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: gone up. And so we're saying, okay, If you're a
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: Florida resident and you're homesteading your property, that's your primary
• 34:59
  Speaker 13: homesteaded residence, we think that should be excluded. Now, that's
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: about 30% of the overall property tax revenue if you
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: just did it on day one. So it's got to
• 35:09
  Speaker 13: go on the ballot in November of 2026, and it
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: would be something that would be.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: Get to a point very quickly in.
• 35:17
  Speaker 13: Florida where 90 some percent are not paying anything. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: eventually we'd phase in the elimination. So it can be done.
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: And if we don't do anything, they're going to have
• 35:29
  Speaker 13: 84 billion in revenue in 2031. So that's 12, 13
• 35:31
  Speaker 13: years to go from 32 to 84.
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: Do it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 13: You're not going to have any services. Just ask them,
• 35:40
  Speaker 13: did we not have schools and police in 2019 when
• 35:43
  Speaker 13: they were taken in 32 billion?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Of course we did. Now, give them inflation.
• 35:47
  Speaker 13: Give them population growth.
• 35:49
  Speaker 14: Give them a.
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: Couple percent just for kicks on a Saturday night. That
• 35:53
  Speaker 13: takes you to about 46 or 47 billion. It doesn't
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: take you to 60. So how would you want to
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: do that? Maintain the growth of these governments or give
• 36:02
  Speaker 13: Floridians really historic property tax relief?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: What do you think? John?
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I say exactly. And we see those numbers parallel in Ohio.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: As Governor DeSantis said, we've had the highest inflation in
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: the last 40 years. That's pumped up home values. That's
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: pumped up property taxes. It's a crisis that we all
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: saw coming. And if we look at government spending, specifically
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: of the Ohio State budget in 2019, it was about
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: $ 69 billion per year. Now it's over $ 100 billion. That's
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: a more than $ 30 billion delta. That's more than all
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: we collect in property taxes. We could abolish property taxes
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: in Ohio and have $ 10 billion to spare if we
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: just went back to 2019 levels of spending. So to
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: the governor's point, the numbers... show very clearly that abolishing
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: property taxes isn't some kind of crazy or apocalyptic idea
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: that would throw government into bankruptcy and mean we have
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: no services it would be an adjustment it would force
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: government to go from constantly spending more even outpacing the
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: rate of inflation to forced to being constantly more efficient
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and that's the government that people rightly expect and that's
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: not a big ask in a state like Ohio Ron
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: that is clearly overspending Florida is efficient and they're still
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: becoming more efficient we don't even have to become efficient
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: to save money we just have to stop wasting so
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: much there's so much low hanging fruit there's so much
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: waste fraud abuse I mean, we can pay for these
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: exemptions with just the waste.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: So just to clarify, you think we'll get enough signatures?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought it was impressive how many signatures
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: were gotten in that short period of time by a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: volunteer effort. I thought the results were quite impressive. And
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's a monumental hill to climb. But I
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: think with the time frame being there, And remember, he
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: wants a large cushion, Brian Massey, and justly so. If
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: we get there, and I think there is a real
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: possibility of that, that it can get on the ballot.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: And I get nervous because I can hear those attack ads.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: If you vote for this, you're going to be paying
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: high income tax. If you vote for this, you're not
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: going to have police services or whatever. I can almost
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: hear them put together and funded by the school systems
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: and everybody else that benefits from property.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I just don't think people believe it. I think they're
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: floating those threats because they know it won't actually work.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: If they were confident that those type of negative ads
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: telling the taxpayer, you're greedy, you're stupid, pay your taxes,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: shut up, eat your broccoli, pay your taxes. If they
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: really thought that would work, Ron, they wouldn't be showing
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: their hand and threatening this is what we're going to do.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: They would just quietly wait until it got on the
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: ballot and then dump those ads. The reason that they're
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: telling us, quote-unquote, what they're going to do is they
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: know it won't work. They know you're not attacking a
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: person or a candidate here. You're not even attacking an issue.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: To win this fight, you have to attack the taxpayer themselves.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: You have to say, Ron Verb, Mr. Taxpayer, you're a greedy,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: stupid idiot. And if you vote to lower your tax.
• 39:32
  Speaker 15: Rate, the world will end.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Stand by, John.
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: Stand by.
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: Your one stop for at 70 WKBN.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: 3.55 in the afternoon. It's 84 degrees on this August 7th.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: John Plushnick, the Lake County Commissioner. Commissioner, no. A title
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that you take a great honor in having. Because they
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: call you Commissioner No because you say no to these
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: tax increases.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Correct i'm not sure everyone considers it a compliment but
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: i take it as one they call me commissioner no
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: because i always vote no on taxes and while the
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: taxpayer hears that and says hooray what a lot of
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: folks don't understand why do so many good people go
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: bad in politics The pressure from all the public employees,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: the pressure from everyone in the building, including elected officials
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: who just want a bigger and bigger budget, they don't
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: like to be told no. And you need to elect
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: strong people who don't have a problem saying no on
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: your behalf. Because the most important person is never in
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: the room when these decisions are made. We need to
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: remember that we work for the taxpayer, not the folks
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: who want the bonuses, new offices, new buildings, new everything.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: We work for you. We work for the taxpayer. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: that means we need to say no to government.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Are you optimistic about the future of this problem being
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: remedied any time quickly? I mean, we had to fight
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like crazy just to get the double homestead exemption here.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: in Mahoning County, and they only did it after they
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: did it in Trumbull County and Columbiana County, to be
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: able to get that. And it's just a small benefit
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: that you get to keep your money, but we need
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: more reform.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: And, Ron, I will say I know your show had
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: a big impact there. I talked to the commissioners in Trumbull.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I talked to the commissioners in Mahoning, and I know
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: that this conversation has had a positive influence. the people's
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: voices were heard. That's a good thing. But to your point,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: doubling the homestead exemption, that's another $ 500 in the pocket
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: of a senior. That's important. That's not nothing. But we
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: have a lot more to go. And do I believe
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: we can make it? Yes, I do. Ron, I can't
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: predict the future, but my best insight into where things
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: are going is that property taxes are going to go
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: down in a big way next year. They're either going
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: to go down because the state legislature sees that Brian
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Massey and the movement have enough signatures to abolish property taxes.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: They panic and they cut our taxes in a big
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: way to try to head that off at the pass
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: and say, hey, instead of abolishing property taxes, would you
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: accept this? Or The state legislature continues to ignore us,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: won't even exempt seniors, won't even freeze home values at
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: sales price, won't make the modest reforms you and I
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: have talked about. And then the people say, you know what?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: You haven't heard our voice. We're taking all the money back.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: And that's when you see the amendment go on the
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: ballot and pass overwhelmingly. So I think next year is
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: the year when we see Ohio property taxes go down
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: in a big way. Whether they're abolished or not, I
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: think that comes down to the state legislature, because I
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: think a majority of people would probably accept some pretty
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: big cuts and take that. But if the state legislature
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: continues to do nothing or to pass sweet little nothings
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: that cut future increases but leave the taxes on the
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: books as they are, then I think the people of
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Ohio are going to stand up and say not enough
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: and abolish property taxes next year.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Can you stand by and can you give me a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: few more minutes, John?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: All right. I'll come back with him after the break
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: here at 4. Terrific guy. Glad to have him. We'll
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: be back.
• 43:29
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• 43:31
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  Speaker 1: Now, Ron Verb on News Radio 570 WKBN.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: 4.06 in the afternoon. Great guest. I mean, I can
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: honestly sit here and tell you I admire him tremendously.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I admire his education. I admire his philosophies. I admire
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: his passion. And so he's a commissioner in Lake County.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And you folks in Lake County are very lucky to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: have him. And you folks, if he's your professor, you're
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: lucky to have him as well, John Plushnik. He is
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: our guest the first hour of the program. Let me
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: take some calls for you. Are you willing to do that?
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 48:49
  Speaker 21: All right.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: So I've got a bunch of calls here. Let's see
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: what awaits me. You're on the air. You want to
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: talk with John?
• 48:55
  Speaker 23: Yeah, sure, Ron.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: How are you doing?
• 48:56
  Speaker 24: Good.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 48:57
  Speaker 23: I would have a question because I think the biggest–
• 49:00
  Speaker 23: I mean, the first hour was amazing, outstanding. But we
• 49:03
  Speaker 23: don't get these things done without applying pressure– to our legislation.
• 49:08
  Speaker 23: And that's what I'd like to know what else he
• 49:11
  Speaker 23: can do, what can be done at his level of
• 49:12
  Speaker 23: government to apply pressure at the state level. I think
• 49:16
  Speaker 23: we're all on the same route, but we could say
• 49:17
  Speaker 23: that there's one party that has a faction in it
• 49:21
  Speaker 23: that wants these things done, another party that completely opposes
• 49:25
  Speaker 23: all these things. So how do we put the chokehold
• 49:29
  Speaker 23: on our current elected officials to get this job done?
• 49:32
  Speaker 23: And if not, then I think we need to put
• 49:33
  Speaker 23: our focus on removing those folks from office and putting
• 49:37
  Speaker 23: candidates in their places that will do these things. How
• 49:40
  Speaker 23: do we apply that pressure?
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So number one, sign the petition to abolish property taxes.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: It is the only reason we've seen any reforms come
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: out of Columbus. We've had several state reps admit that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Dave Thomas is one. If it hadn't been for the petition,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: nothing would have happened. And while we have a long,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: long way to go, I am not happy with what's done.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: We need to understand that our singular best tool to
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: apply pressure to Columbus is to take all the money back.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: That's number one. Number two, we do need to start
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: telling our state reps and senators what we expect of them.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: If you're not going to be more like Governor DeSantis,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: if you're not going to be cutting my taxes, if
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: that's not why you're there, why am I paying you?
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: What's the point? And we're going to have to start
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: primarying people. It's too late this round. The primaries are over.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: But if your Republican state rep or senator says, no,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not willing to cut property taxes, you say, no,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not willing to vote for you again.
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 50:45
  Speaker 23: On my end, too often all I hear are people
• 50:47
  Speaker 23: complaining about the situation, but not doing anything about it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 23: And the complaining is just beating up the Republican Party,
• 50:54
  Speaker 23: opposed to taking a step back and looking at the
• 50:56
  Speaker 23: big picture. We've got to be careful. We don't want
• 50:58
  Speaker 23: to beat ourselves into a corner where we start losing
• 51:00
  Speaker 23: people that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Vote for us. But I would be critical in the
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: following sense, and John, would you agree? I think that
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: there are many Republicans who don't support eliminating property taxes,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: and to a certain extent have become career politicians who
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: are opposed to making major changes with property taxes, too.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: It's because they've become part of the system, Ron. It's
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: because they've become part of the system. And those folks
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: are the most dangerous. We need to call them out,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: and we need to say, you've been in government so long,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: you've become government, and you need to go.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 51:35
  Speaker 23: Their power becomes like a drug, and they can't get
• 51:37
  Speaker 23: enough of it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: But sometimes, Ted, a lot of this stuff is easier
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: said than done. The power of incumbency, the name recognition,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: the amount of money you have, the connections you have.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be difficult.
• 51:50
  Speaker 23: It can be done, but it has to be done
• 51:51
  Speaker 23: at a grassroots level. Do you remember many years ago
• 51:55
  Speaker 23: when the Democrat Party was taken over by Mike Morley?
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 51:58
  Speaker 23: I forget what their theme was or what they called themselves.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Democrats for Change.
• 52:03
  Speaker 23: Democrats, that's what we need. We need Republicans for Change.
• 52:07
  Speaker 23: And it starts at your local level. You know, we're
• 52:09
  Speaker 23: trying to knock the king off the mountain to get
• 52:11
  Speaker 23: things fixed.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: That's not how it works.
• 52:14
  Speaker 23: We've got to start at the grassroots level. That means
• 52:16
  Speaker 23: city council, townships.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: I would go a level even more basic than that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: I've often said the most powerful job in politics that
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: no one has ever heard of is central committee person.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Both the Republicans and the Democrat parties are governed by
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: your precinct committee people, and you need to run for
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: your precinct. You need your friend, your brother, your neighbor
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: to run for their precinct. I became a commissioner because
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: 79 precinct committee people voted for me. There's no other
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: way someone like me would be appointed a commissioner in
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Lake County or anywhere else. That's because we had good
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: conservatives on our Republican Central Committee. You need to recruit them.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: You need to be one of them. Forget city council.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: You got to start a level below. You need to
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: organize at the precinct level.
• 53:10
  Speaker 23: And I will agree with you 100% because I've got
• 53:13
  Speaker 23: a friendship with someone who's running for office, and we
• 53:18
  Speaker 23: were discussing some plans last week, and I haven't told
• 53:22
  Speaker 23: them this yet, so maybe if they listen, they're going
• 53:24
  Speaker 23: to hear me now. I thought they were skipping a level.
• 53:26
  Speaker 23: They're asking people to come to them in trying to
• 53:29
  Speaker 23: organize a grassroots effort. You've got to go inside every community,
• 53:33
  Speaker 23: you've got to reach out to every precinct person, and
• 53:36
  Speaker 23: you've got to build your base from the precinct committee
• 53:39
  Speaker 23: people up. And you've got to get those people organized
• 53:42
  Speaker 23: to come out and vote and work and do a
• 53:44
  Speaker 23: lot of that legwork. They ran for that position. That's
• 53:46
  Speaker 23: what that position is about. And then you build from there.
• 53:49
  Speaker 23: So I agree with you completely, 100%. And that's what
• 53:52
  Speaker 23: we have to focus on.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Isn't this guy terrific, Ted? I mean, seriously.
• 53:56
  Speaker 23: Just amazing. It's unfortunate that we can't have him here.
• 54:00
  Speaker 23: But if we put him on the radio enough and
• 54:03
  Speaker 23: we stick to the issue and repeat everything that he
• 54:06
  Speaker 23: has said, that's how you start building a ground movement.
• 54:10
  Speaker 23: You know, the Democrats for change. We can become the
• 54:12
  Speaker 23: Republicans for change. But it's not going to happen by
• 54:15
  Speaker 23: complaining on the radio and doing nothing else. Like he said,
• 54:18
  Speaker 23: we've got to start with precinct committee people. We've got
• 54:21
  Speaker 23: to start there and build the base there. But it
• 54:23
  Speaker 23: can be done. And Mike Moore has proven it can
• 54:25
  Speaker 23: be done in Mahoning County.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Ted. You're on the air.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 12: Hi, John.
• 54:32
  Speaker 15: I don't want anyone to take for granted that we're
• 54:35
  Speaker 15: going to get this to the ballot. I want people
• 54:37
  Speaker 15: to get involved more. and just get us a few signatures,
• 54:41
  Speaker 15: even if it's 10, 20, or 30, because we have 300,000,
• 54:44
  Speaker 15: and if every one of those people would have gotten
• 54:46
  Speaker 15: one signature, we would be at 600,000. So we just
• 54:50
  Speaker 15: need people to do a little rather than a few
• 54:53
  Speaker 15: of us doing a lot to make sure we get
• 54:55
  Speaker 15: it to the ballot. So if everyone would just go
• 54:57
  Speaker 15: to axohtax.com and download a petition and, you know, just
• 55:02
  Speaker 15: circulate among your sphere of influence, I think that's going
• 55:04
  Speaker 15: to really bring it home.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: All right, make sure you follow the directions and get
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: the signatures properly. Very important.
• 55:12
  Speaker 15: Yeah, and then just call your zone captain if you
• 55:13
  Speaker 15: have a question. The maps are out there. You could
• 55:16
  Speaker 15: just call us directly.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: The only thing I can add to that is to
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: repeat axohtax.com. That is the website to download the petitions
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: so you can become a volunteer circulator as well. I
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: completely agree. The most powerful way to pressure Columbus, the
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: most powerful way to abolish property taxes, the most powerful
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: way for change is to become part of that change.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: And you start by going to AXTAX, O-H dot com.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Axe O-H tax dot com.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 55:50
  Speaker 15: Because if we were not to get these signatures, just
• 55:52
  Speaker 15: think of what the state legislature would think of us then.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:55
  Speaker 15: Then they'd really raise our taxes. So you better think
• 55:58
  Speaker 15: about that.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Denise. Appreciate it. You're on the air with John.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Hello.
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: I would just like to thank him for everything he
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: does because it's a breath of fresh air. You see
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: so many public officials that are in positions like Mr.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: Chacon who shouldn't be there and this guy. I would
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: elevate you to governor if I could. I'd much rather
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: see you than Vivek, but that's a whole other issue.
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: I went today and paid my mother-in-law's property taxes. She
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: had a stroke, so we do her financial stuff for her.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: And I went up to Trumbull County because they have
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: the tax bills ready. The difference, the first half we paid,
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: it was $ 1, 145. The second half, with all the cuts,
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: the rollbacks, everything everybody's done... It was $ 1, 088. It was
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: a $ 57 reduction. For all that effort that Dave Thomas
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: did for the commissioners voting to repeal all that, saved
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: her $ 57, 5% of the cost from the first half.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: It's disgusting. I mean, I'm not going to complain. $ 57
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: is better than nothing. But we need to repeal. They
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: need to go. We just need to get rid of them.
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: Go ahead, John.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: First of all, thank you. And I appreciate it. Your
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: kind words are energizing because this is a battle. We're
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: all in it. We've all heard the nonsense and the naysayers.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: So your thanks and your encouragement mean a lot. Secondly,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: it is telling that all this fighting, all this work
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: has cut 57 bucks. That is the exclamation point on
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: the sentence that we have not done enough, that the
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: state legislature has not taken this seriously. And while I'll
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: take any reform, I'll take a nickel, I'll take a dime,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: I want to move in the right direction, this is
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: not enough. And for the folks who want to pat
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: themselves on the back and say, look at all these
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: reforms we've done, This is quantity over quality. You've passed
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: and proposed hundreds of different bills, but it nets to $ 57.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: The reality is our property taxes are going up faster
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: than our legislators are cutting them. That's a losing battle.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: We need to get the signatures to get the petition
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: on the ballot. We need to keep pushing. That is
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: the only way to make Columbus take us seriously. And
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: if they don't, it gives each of us as a
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: voter the ability to take our taxes back.
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: Well, and here's what's really disgusting. We've been talking around here.
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: The Mahoning County Board of Developmental Disabilities is putting an
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: additional levy on for this fall. We've been talking about it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: I think the director said their budget has gone from
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: $ 60 million to $ 100 million in a roughly shorter period
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: of time, I think maybe 2019 to now, something like that.
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: So I started asking around, and I found somebody, an insider,
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: They have a person, they have a client that they
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: service who's severely, I guess, handicapped in some way, shape,
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: or form. And for whatever reason, they had to ship
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: this person out to a facility in Missouri. They shipped
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: this person out last December. They just retrieved them in
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: the last week or two. Do you know what the
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: cost per day for servicing this individual at this facility
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: in Missouri was? $ 3, 000 a day. $ 3, 000.
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: A day.
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: My mother-in-law just saved $ 57. They're spending $ 3, 000 a day
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: servicing one individual. Is it any wonder why their budget
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: went from $ 60 million to $ 100 million when you have
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: imbeciles running these places and on these boards that are
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: approving expenses like that? It infuriates me. Almost as much
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: as when I was walking in Trumbull County today.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Rich.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: When I was walking in Trumbull County today, in Trumbull County,
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: who doesn't pay a nickel for the WRTA bus service
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: that Mahoning County has a sales tax that funds? WRTA,
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: Trumbull County gives virtually no funding to that bus. But
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: yet there's a WRTA bus parked in front of the
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: Trumbull County courthouse with zero people on it, on a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: 35-passenger bus, which they're going to start replacing the gas
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: ones with electric ones at $ 1. 4 million apiece. This is
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: why you need to repeal all this nonsense. These people
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: do not, they are poor stewards of your money. Quit
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: giving them your hard-earned money because they're wasting it.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I've said it before, I'll say it again. Government never
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: saw a dollar it didn't want to spend. If you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: give them the money, by golly, they'll find a way
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: to spend it. And unfortunately, the examples you've given demonstrate
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: that whether they're overspending on something that's worthy or they're
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: spending on something that's absolutely worth less, they'll find a
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: way to spend the extra money. Government will never have
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: money left over. They're never going to voluntarily give the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: money back. I've had a couple people say, well, you know,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: you guys can't just cut property taxes and then have
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: government figure it out. You need to work with government
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: to find the savings first. And my question is, how
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: has that worked for you so far? You know, we've
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: been asking governments since the dawn of time, be more efficient,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: save money, stop raising taxes. Have they ever done it?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: You know, has government ever voluntarily given the money back? No.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: The only way we make this work is if we
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: starve the beast. We have to take the money back first.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: and that will force government to become more effective and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: more efficient. It's not that we'll have less services. I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: would argue that taking away property taxes would actually improve
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: services in the net because it's going to force government
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: to look at itself from the top down, engage in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: zero-based budgeting, have a constant improvement program. And the irony is,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: even though we'd be spending $ 20 billion less, we should
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: have better services. And by the way, every time Ohio's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: cut taxes in recent memory, our revenues have gone up.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: There's a reason for that. If we're too high on
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: the Laffer curve, if we're overtaxing people, we literally lower
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: revenues by raising taxes. And Ohio is an overtaxed state.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: The ultimate irony of this entire debate, Ron... is that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: if we cut property taxes to zero, there's a darn
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: good chance we'll have more money in the government coffers
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: than when we started.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: That's what happened with Trump, I believe, isn't it? When
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: they cut the taxes, they actually took in more money.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: It is, and it's also what happened with Reagan and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: the Tax Act of 1986. This is not my idea, folks.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: The Laffer Curve has long been proven true. And in Ohio,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: where we are so highly taxed, it's a no-brainer.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Rich. Appreciate it.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: Take care.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: With John Plushnik, you're on the air.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Hello. Hey, Ron.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: Hey, John.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: This is Mark. I emailed you or texted you earlier
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: this week. I want to thank you for calling in.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 24: My point of view here is as long as these
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 24: communities keep doing what they're doing, for instance, in Borgman,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 24: They got a police levy on brand new money. They
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 24: just passed a renewal in the spring. The school has
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 24: a five-year renewal on for November.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Guess what? They went and they changed it.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 24: To 10-year renewal now. We got the MRDD. We've got
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 24: Canfield trying to get these people to approve a 5.9.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 24: My point, as long as these communities... Keep hitting us
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 24: with these taxes. You get this on the ballot and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 24: it will pass by 80 percent.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: You mark my words. They keep hitting us.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 24: They keep ripping us off the.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Way they're doing.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 24: This will pass.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: And Mark, the polls agree with you. The polls range
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: from about 60 to 80 percent support for abolishing property taxes.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: So for those who try to act like this is
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: an extreme group, This is not just a majority. This
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: is a super majority of Ohioans saying no more. We
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: can't afford this.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 24: And you know what else, too, John?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: I talked to Brian when he came down.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Stand by. Stand by. I'll come right back to you
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: after the break with you and John after this. NewsRadio 570.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Mike Rowe's Weather and Talk Station, 570 WKBN. 424 in
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: the afternoon. Ron Ferb from the Kingdom of Mahoning on
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: this Friday, August 7th, 84 degrees. John Plushnick is with us.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: He is a tax attorney, if you will. Duke Law graduates.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, what an impressive education this man has. And
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: he's a commissioner in Lake County. He's a college professor.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: He's a graduate of Duke Law. He's an accountant. He's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: a tax law attorney. Those are his credentials, and he's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: a commissioner, and they call him Commissioner No, and he's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air. And you were saying what
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: to him, Mark?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 24: Oh, yes. We were collecting signatures probably about a month ago.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 24: Brian Massey came down, and we sat there and we
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 24: asked him some questions. I don't think if the state
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 24: starts running scared and they want to try to promote
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 24: something to us to have us not put this on
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 24: the ballot, I don't think it's.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Going to work.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 11: I don't think it's going to work.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 24: The impression I got from Mr.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: Maskey was, no, we're going for the juggler here. They
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: could offer whatever they want to offer us. Once it's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: on the ballot, it's going to go.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 24: So thank you, John, for all that you do. I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 24: wish we had you down here. You don't know how
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 24: bad I pray we had you down here.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Right. I would agree. Thank you, Mark. Appreciate it.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: You're on the air with us.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark. And I want to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: agree with you. I know that Brian Massey is committed
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: to bringing this issue to the ballot no matter what.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: All right. Next caller with John Plushnik. You're on the air.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Hello.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: There's no other state that's done this before, correct? Correct.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 24: Correct.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: Okay, so next question. You had mentioned, you know, I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 11: want this to go through just as much as anybody else,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 11: but I think that the messaging has to be appropriate, too.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: I think you said if we went back to 2019 spending.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 11: I mean, that right there, I could just see the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 11: headline right now. They want to go back to 2019 spending.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 11: That's just absurd. We can't do that. I think that's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 11: bad positioning and marketing for this, just my opinion. I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 11: listened to your intro. You know, I'm not going to...
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 11: even try to compare myself with your tax knowledge or
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 11: law knowledge or anything like that. But the whole thing is,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 11: if this passes, we don't have to worry about, from
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 11: my understanding, what our county commissioner or this fund or
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 11: whatever that does. If we just get the money back,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 11: we kind of circumvent all of that. So the marketing
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 11: for this has to be a lot better to actually
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 11: get the signatures. Do you guys have any money, any funding?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 11: Is there any marketing for this? Is it just the website?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 11: Do you guys have YouTube videos that people can actually
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 11: look and watch and see? Or do I have to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 11: go out and have a conversation with somebody about abolishing
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 11: property tax where most of the people don't even know
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 11: what they pay in property tax?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Those are questions for Brian Massey. I don't pretend to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: manage or run the movement. That's his committee. But I
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: have seen a plethora of YouTube videos that Brian's put
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: out that explain. And listen, what's convincing to you is
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: completely unconvincing to someone else. You say that it's not
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: a powerful argument to point out that just a few
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: years ago, Ohio spent less, $ 30 billion-some dollars less. That's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: incredibly convincing to a lot of people.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 11: I would agree with you. I would agree with you. However,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 11: I am also looking at, and believe me, I'm on
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 11: your side. I'm on everybody's side calling. But I also
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 11: have to look at reality. We do not live with
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 11: inflation today as we did in 2019. So if anybody's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: going to push back on this or if you're going
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 11: to give the opposition a position to push back on this,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 11: that's one that I would pick and hunt down to actually, again,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: push back on this because you're right. What are you
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 11: going to do, go after the taxpayer and say you're
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: stupid and greedy? They're going to have to find some
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: roundabout way to try to stifle this, and I think
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 11: that's one of the ways if that's a positioning or
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 11: posture of this moving forward.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: I think what this comes down to is we have
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: to make multiple arguments because they're not going to be convincing.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: No one argument is going to be convincing to everyone.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: You make the overarching argument that it's doable, that it
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: would take a less than 20% cut to the state
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: budget to abolish property taxes with no cuts to local services.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: That's one argument. Another argument... is you never truly own
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: your home if you have to pay rent to the government.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: Costs be damned. It's simply wrong. Another argument to make
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: is that Ohio is severely overtaxed, and we're either going
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: to cut income or property taxes in a big way.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: It should be property taxes. Those are three powerful arguments,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: very different arguments. And you're going to have to make
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: different ones to different people because not everyone is worried
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: about this issue for the same reason.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 11: I totally agree with what you're saying. What I'm saying
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 11: to myself is, If you guys are having a petition
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 11: at the Canfield Fair signing there, do I, walking with
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 11: my French fries and lemon shake, turn around and say,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 11: do you ever truly own your own home sign? Or
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 11: do I stop and say, do you want $ 6, 000 back
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 11: in your pocket? Wait a second.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 24: What's that?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: Because, you know, the people listening to this, you know
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 11: what you're talking about. We know what we're talking about.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: But for the average person who you need to get
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 11: that signature for, you need to have something to move
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 11: forward with.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: You're talking about the uninformed voter. I get what you're saying.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: But..
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, the uninformed voter by far. And my only concern
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 11: with this, too, is, and believe me, I'll say it
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 11: for the fourth time, I want this to go through.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 11: But for no other state to have a precedent, and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 11: you'd be able to explain this a lot better than
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 11: I could probably even ask the question.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Well, stand by, stand by. I've got to pause. John,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: can you hang with us, please?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: Sure.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: All right, so back for John to answer that question
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: and more straight ahead.
• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:09
  Speaker 26: The pressure is on, and now both of Ohio's U.S.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 26: senators are calling for that embattled congressman from Ohio to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 26: step down.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: Ohio Senator John Husted said Thursday on X that Representative
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Max Miller of the Cleveland area should resign from Congress,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: saying the allegations of domestic violence of which Miller is
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: accused of committing regarding his ex-wife and their daughter should
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: be dealt with in private, not in the House Ethics Committee,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: not in a re-election campaign. Husted is joining Ohio's other senator,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: Bernie Marino, in calling for Miller to resign. Marino is
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: Miller's former father-in-law.
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  Speaker 2: Back with, I think I'm the chairman of your fan club, incidentally.
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  Speaker 2: I think you should designate me president of the John
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  Speaker 2: Plushnick fan club, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Consider it done, Ron.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to read you an email, okay? Remember when
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  Speaker 2: we started out with the name and you said C-H-R-S, right?
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  Speaker 2: Remember that? Here's an email. I want you to hear it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if it's C-H or S. He's got
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  Speaker 5: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: I'll take it. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: So the emailers are digging what you're saying, John. I
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  Speaker 2: just think that was a great email. All right, back
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  Speaker 2: with you, Alec. Go ahead with you. Finish your thoughts
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  Speaker 11: Are there any elected Democrats in Ohio that are on
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  Speaker 11: board with this?
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  Speaker 3: I am not aware of any elected Democrat that has
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  Speaker 3: signed the petition. It's not that there might not be
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  Speaker 3: someone I'm unaware of, but I am not aware of
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  Speaker 3: an elected Democrat who has signed the petition. I know
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  Speaker 3: that Brian Massey has reached out to both Vivek Ramaswamy
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: and Amy Acton. Vivek did have a meeting with Brian
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  Speaker 3: and myself, although he's yet to sign the petition. He
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: has expressed openness. and he's listened to us. Amy Acton
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  Speaker 3: has never responded. And I'm not aware of any elected
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  Speaker 3: Democrat who has, but I welcome them. We want everyone, Republican, Democrat, left, right,
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  Speaker 3: to sign the petition and abolish property taxes. But I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: do think that the Republican Party more traditionally has supported cutting, lowering,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: abolishing taxes, and you're seeing that bear out in the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: politics of this movement.
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  Speaker 11: And then are there any other states that are working
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  Speaker 11: on to the same degree that you are right now
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  Speaker 11: to get this passed? I mean, are they the same signatures?
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  Speaker 11: Is anybody ahead, just behind that you know of?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that it's possible to say who's ahead,
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  Speaker 3: but I know that there are strong movements in Pennsylvania,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: in Florida. It's really multiplying. Leonard Gilbert has really headed
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: up field operations and talking to other states. So Leonard
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: would be a great person to talk to about that. But, yes,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: it is spreading to other states.
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  Speaker 11: My concern is always there's an old saying, the second
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  Speaker 11: mouse gets the cheese. I just don't want to have
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  Speaker 11: those bad repercussions that we can't even think about happening.
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  Speaker 11: And I know you could push back for probably an
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 11: hour and a half about it. I just also think
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  Speaker 11: that sometimes when we compare us with what Florida is
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  Speaker 11: doing is just a little disingenuous from the plan that
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 11: we could do the exact same thing. Florida has way
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 11: more resources than we have right now, and I don't
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 11: know if we can use the exact same model.
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  Speaker 2: It's the philosophy, though. It's the thought process and philosophy
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: of the governor. I can assure you, I would go
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  Speaker 2: so far as to say if DeSantis was governor of Ohio,
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  Speaker 2: he could be doing the exact same thing. It's his
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  Speaker 2: mentality and his vision.
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  Speaker 11: I don't doubt he wouldn't be doing the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 11: My whole thing is, if you're Bill Belichick on the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 11: New England Patriots, you've got Tom Brady, you look a
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  Speaker 11: lot better. If you're Phil Jackson, your coach of the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 11: Chicago Bulls, or Michael Jordan, you look a lot better.
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  Speaker 11: Florida has a lot more things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but why are those teams so much better? It's
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: because they had a coach that recruited the right players
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: that started to build that successful team. Why is Florida...
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: so much better off than Ohio. Why do they have
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  Speaker 3: more resources? I'll tell you why. Because they've been cutting
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: taxes and making themselves a more appealing place to move
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  Speaker 3: to for years. There's a positive migration to Florida for
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: a long time. So you're right. We have a longer
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: way to go down the road than Florida. But honestly,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: the reforms we're talking about would have an even more
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  Speaker 3: positive effect in Ohio because we have a lot more
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: spending to cut.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 11: I would agree with that. Thanks for doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, first of all, thank you for what you're doing. Really,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: really appreciative. Three big takeaways.
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  Speaker 12: When people say sometimes there's nothing left to cut or
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 12: what are we going to replace it with or no,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 12: there's not enough fraud to pay for property taxes. I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 12: think you said it's laughable, and I agree 100%. Now,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 12: hopefully some of the voices on the radio will write
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 12: this down, and we don't have to hear about it
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 12: ad nauseum, Ron. Make your compelling case, Sam, about sometimes
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 12: there's nothing left to cut.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will make that case. Sometimes, for example, if
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  Speaker 2: I look in Austintown Township, when we take a look
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: at our spending, which is pretty fiscally sound to a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: large extent, You can't always cut your weight out of
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: a situation. When you have a situation where you're paying
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: more for police cruisers, you're paying more for health care benefits,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: you're paying more for officers, and you've cut officers and
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: you need to add one so the guys can have
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: time off and we don't have excessive overtime, sometimes it
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: does take additional money when you're running a tight budget
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: to begin with. So when you have a tight budget
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: to begin with, and fiscal responsibility to begin with, you
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: can't always cut your way out of it on a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: local level because you are paying more for a truck
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: to plow the road, substantially more for that, more for
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: a fire truck, more for a police car, more for
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: health care benefits, and more for employees. You know what
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think? Let me respond real quick. You asked
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: me to explain it to you. So I want to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: explain it to you. I'm not talking about a bloated
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: form of government. I'm talking about an efficiently run form
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: of government, which I think the township overwhelmingly is, with
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: the number of personnel in the road department and in
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: the police departments.
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  Speaker 3: So, Ron, that is a really nice problem to have.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: And I wish that every local... and state and federal
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: government agency had that problem. But if Boardman is truly
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: fiscally responsible, they are in the extreme minority of local
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: governments where that is true. More than that, the tiniest
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: percentage of property taxes are going to our townships. 60
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: to 70 percent of your property taxes, depending on your district,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: go to public school.
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  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: That is the largest part of the problem. And it's
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: important to emphasize that the obligation for funding public schools
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: belongs to the state. See Article 6, Section 2 of
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: the Ohio Constitution. The state legislature shall fund the common schools.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: And so we're talking about the state budget here, not
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: the township budget, not the library budget, not the city budget.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: We're talking about the state budget, which includes public schools.
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  Speaker 3: And that budget has more than enough bloat, more than
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: enough waste, more than enough fraud, more than enough abuse
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: to cut all of property taxes and then some. I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: would argue you could abolish property taxes and you'd still
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: have extra money sloshing around Columbus. money that they don't need.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: And I agree with that assessment. I agree with that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: assessment that you made on a state level. And I
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: would further put a comment to this caller, which doesn't
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying to him, is that you take
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: a look at a township level and the local government fund,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: which has been slashed by the state on our tax
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: dollars that are supposed to come back to our local community,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: and they keep slashing that amount of money that we
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: should have returned to our local community. It is just,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: it's frustrating. At a time, John..
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: But Ron, it's even worse than that. If you go
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: back four score and a dozen years ago when the
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: state sales tax was originally adopted, important point to note,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: the sales tax that we pay in Ohio, 5.75%, the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: vast majority of it goes right to Columbus. That state
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: sales tax was supposed to be used for three things.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Number one, alleviation of poverty at the county level. Number two,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: local government fund. Number three, public schools. They kept all
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: the money, all that money that was supposed to stay local,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Columbus spent. Then in the 70s, they passed the income tax,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: and they said, we promise, this time it'll stay for
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: local government funds and public schools. But they've kept more
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: and more of the money, and that trend accelerated under
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Governor Kasich, a man who doesn't even deserve to be
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: called a rhino. He doesn't even deserve to be called
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: a Democrat. He's a damn communist.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Did you see, John, where with the marijuana situation, where
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: the local community, if you put a dispensary in your
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: community was to keep a certain percentage of that tax,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: what was the first thing the state wanted to do?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Eliminate the local community from getting their percentage of it.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: They wanted to keep it all.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: And the last I heard there, the state's planning on
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: keeping something like two-thirds of the marijuana tax.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: They kept the lottery. We can go on, Ron. It's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: been the same story everywhere. for over a hundred years.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: The state government has continued to grow like a great Leviathan,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: and all the money that was supposed to stay local
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: for public schools and local government, for your roads, police,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: and fire, Columbus is spending on God knows what nonsense.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: And then there's no money here locally, and they cry poor.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: I call BS.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 12: And the solution can't be that it goes back onto
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 12: the local taxpayers, then, to fill in the gap for
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 12: the money that the state didn't give back.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Well, then we'll eliminate cops. But that is the.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Solution that they've adopted so far.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 21: Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just going to get in a ridiculous
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: argument with the guy to say, there is a point
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: where you have to say, This is the reality of
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: a local community, if you will. We can change all
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: that stuff on the state. That'll take time. But we
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: don't want to get down to where we have three
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: officers or somebody not coming when you need assistance. I mean,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: the shenanigans the state is pulling by keeping local government
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: money from the local government is absolutely reprehensible as far
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: as I'm concerned. And they do it at every turn.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with you on a state level. But
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: it makes it difficult for some of our local communities
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: to function.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: It does, but I think we need to remember how
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: bad this problem is, Ron. As tough as it would
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: be for a community to go from four police officers
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: to three on shift, as difficult as it would be
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: to wait for two or three years to repave a road,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: those are safety issues. Those are real problems. Think about this, though.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: If someone said to you, Ron... We can have four
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: police officers and repave the road this year or three
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: police officers and repave the road in three years, but
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: you're going to be homeless. if we have four officers
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: and repay faster, but you can keep your home if
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: we go a lighter load, which would you prefer? I mean,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: having a home is the most important thing. You don't
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: care about the police department or the road if you're homeless.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: So we need to remember that while all these things
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: are important, having a home, it's above all of it.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I agree with that. It's just to say local communities
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: have been getting a shaft by the state and by
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: not returning your state tax dollars to your local community,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: putting a burden on the local community to say, to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: ask its citizens for additional money because they want the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: roads plowed or they want an ambulance to show up
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: or they want somebody there to put out the fire.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: And it's reprehensible what the state has done to local communities.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: It is. And I think the taxpayers are speaking loud
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: and clear. We're not asking for less money. services. We're
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: not asking for less police or less. And in fact,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: I hear most people asking for more. They want more
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: for less. And you could say, oh, that's unreasonable. Well, no,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: it's not. We are paying for a limousine, a private jet,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: and roads paved with gold, and we're not getting close
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: to that. We are paying for the luxury experience of
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: and yet our services are poor. That's because the folks
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: in Columbus have been siphoning off the money and wasting it,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: and even they don't know how much they're wasting.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 16: Right.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a serious issue. I mean, when you
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: actually hear your local communities talk about the situation they're in,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: in providing services, I mean, in plowing your streets, salting
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: it in the wintertime, having an ambulance show up quickly
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: if you're having a stroke or heart attack, your fire
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: department there to put out a fire or a cop
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: to show up, it can be overwhelming. I can tell you, like,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: in the township in which I live, Austintown Township, you know,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: when you have, in this guy's case, let's say you
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: have four or five guys on a shift, I'm here
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: to tell you on the overnight shift and on the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: afternoon shift, they are busy. Every one of them is busy.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: So it's hard to function with three. I mean, it's
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: just unfortunately, whether we like it or not, where we are,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: In our society with some of the issues that we're
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: having in our society. But I agree with you on
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: the state that it's difficult. And to a certain extent,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: even on a county level, the state is screwing the counties,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: aren't they, as far as kicking money back?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: We're in the same boat as any local government. We,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: just like them, we're in the local government fund as well,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: and we've had the same cuts. So, you know, whether
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: you're a county, a city, a township, we've all experienced
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: the same cuts at the state level, and we've been
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: forced to make it work. Unfortunately, we've reached a point
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: where this can't continue. It's just unsustainable. The state is
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: spending so much money. I mean, we're going to have
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: to abolish local governments at some point. And I'm not
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: saying that because I want to. I'm saying the state
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: is absorbing all functions. It's absorbing all the money. I mean,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: at a certain point, there will be nothing left. There'll
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: be no more oxygen in the room for your township,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: for your county, for your city, because every tax, every dollar,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: the state is keeping it.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 27: Right.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: And therein lies where the problem begins for local communities.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: At some point when they decided, well, we're going to
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: screw the local community and not send, by the way, John,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: your state tax dollars, all of us living here, back
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: to your community.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: And I had a debate with a state representative. I
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: won't say her name. And she said, well, if we
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: give the money, then we should control everything because it's
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: our money. And I said, no, I pay the state
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: taxes same as I pay the local taxes. It's my money.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: And she replied back, well, we have a philosophical difference.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: And I said, yes, we do. All tax dollars belong
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: to the taxpayer. I don't care if they're local tax dollars,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: state tax dollars, federal tax dollars. We're the ones paying them.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: The state isn't creating a penny of wealth. It is
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: taking money off the top. And it is our money.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: But I'll tell you, some of these folks have been
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: in Columbus so long, they literally think it belongs to them.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: It's their dollars.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I've learned in the times that I've
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: spoken to you at my Mary University graduate? There's two
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: things in life that I would recommend for that state
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: rep to understand. You don't argue with a Philadelphia or
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Duke school lawyer. That would be the... That's what I
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: would tell her, all right? And you know it to
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: be true. I want to just shift gears off of this.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: What do you think of data centers?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: Listen, we all know that having data centers so that
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: the Internet works, so that we can save pictures on
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: the cloud, we all agree that there's some use case.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: And there's always been data centers, by the way. It's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: not a new thing. What we're really asking is, what
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: do you think of hyperscale giant data centers that are
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: now popping up all over the country specifically to facilitate
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: artificial intelligence? Do we need data centers?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: Do we need hyperscale data centers right down the street
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: from your home?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Do they pollute? Yes. Do they guzzle energy? Yes. Do
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: they present noise and other issues when they're in residential neighborhoods? Yes.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: So what's the solution? Number one, you don't put a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: data center in a residential neighborhood. And number two, we
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: need to more seriously ask the question, is AI really
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: worth this investment? Is it really worth it to us?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, it's not just
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: business as usual. Government is subsidizing these giant AI data centers.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, if they're profitable, the free market says, go ahead,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: build them wherever you can. But they're not asking to come.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: In and pay their taxes.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: They're asking for tax abatement.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Stand by. Back with John in a minute. Stay tuned.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Lake County Commissioner, Professor, Duke Law. Oh, he's got it all.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm jumping around real quick before you probably want
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: me to let you go here. So when it comes
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: to data centers, quick answer, what should we do?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Quick answer, we need to protect home rule. Every community
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: should be able to decide whether or not they want
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: a data center. And I think most are going to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: say we don't want one next to a residential or
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: in a residential neighborhood. We hear the state legislature is
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: considering taking away home rules so they can plop a
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: data center next to your house, and your local zoning
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: commission can't say no. That's dangerous. We all know that
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: there need to be some data centers. There always have been,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: for that matter. But I don't think we want them
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: in our backyard, and I don't think we want hyperscale
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: data centers raising our power bills or getting tax abatements.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: Like any business, a data center should be properly zoned,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: away from residential neighborhoods, They should have to follow the
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: same environmental regulations as anyone else, can't just dump into
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: the lake or the river, and they should pay full
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: freight on taxes. They're a profitable business. They should pay
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: their fair share.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: I know I've been two hours. I've got about ten
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: more questions I want to ask you after the break
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: at five. You got ten minutes or not?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Alright, so I'm just saying, what do you think about
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: DeWine who said data centers don't have to pay sales
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: tax on the stuff that they buy to build the
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: data center, but I have to pay sales tax if
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: I add on to my garage?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: I think it's amazing that Mike DeWine says we can't
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: afford to abolish property taxes for homeowners, but we can
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: afford to cut taxes for data centers. That he'd sign
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: legislation that cuts taxes for nuclear power plants. The reality
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: is There's money to give everybody a tax cut except
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: for you, the taxpayer. That's outrageous.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: What were your thoughts when you saw, as a Duke lawyer,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Fauci take the fifth constantly in that fiasco, and do
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: you think he'll ever be held accountable?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: I think the Senate was right to hold Dr. Fauci
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: in contempt. We see from his diary and his non-testimony
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: what a dangerous, toxic person he is. It's frightening to
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: that he was in charge of the health of the
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: United States during COVID. It's frightening that he may well
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: be the cause of COVID as we learn that he
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: funded the laboratory where COVID may have originated. And the
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: fact that he suppressed scholarship and research that showed that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: a lab origin is very probable, if not likely, is
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: more frightening still. Will he be held accountable? I don't know,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: but he should be. And I'm very grateful to Senator
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Rand Paul for giving him a serious inquiry, not letting
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: him off the hook, and forcing him.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: To either answer or take the step.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: I give a lot of credit to.
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• 1:33:02
  Speaker 18: says while it promised to equip each enforcement team with
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 18: an officer wearing a body camera, it says it will
• 1:33:07
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• 1:33:09
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• 1:33:12
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• 1:33:15
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• 1:33:18
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• 1:33:20
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  Speaker 18: Analysts were expecting a net gain of jobs last month. Instead,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 18: the Labor Department reports overall losses. Totals for June and
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 18: May revised downward. ABC's Jim Ryan.
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  Speaker 14: The consensus was for a net gain of 83,000 positions
• 1:33:33
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• 1:33:37
  Speaker 14: of 23,000 jobs. The same report shows the no-hire, no-fire
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 14: employment market still dominates. At 4.1%, the unemployment rate was
• 1:33:46
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  Speaker 14: number of unemployed Americans at 6.9 million.
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  Speaker 18: Weather affecting air travel today with more than 1,400 flight cancellations,
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• 1:34:03
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  Speaker 18: Wall Street indexes closed out their best week since April,
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  Speaker 18: A New Mexico court has ordered META, the parent company
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  Speaker 22: In view of the fact that they knew about these harms,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 22: that they were not forthcoming about the danger, they were
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  Speaker 16: At least.
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  Speaker 29: The heat advisories go up to Boise. Salt Lake City
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  Speaker 18: Amanda Knox, convicted, later acquitted of murdering her roommate Meredith
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 18: Kirscher in Italy 19 years ago, is performing comedy stand-up
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  Speaker 18: at an arts festival in Scotland today. Kirscher's sister launched
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 18: an online petition against it. Knox's reaction?
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  Speaker 16: I can't speak to what is or is not triggering
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 16: to Meredith's family. What I can say is that I've
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  Speaker 16: never seen the kind of scrutiny and criticism pointed towards
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 16: a wrongly accused man that I've seen pointed towards me.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 18: Amanda Knox, the petition has got over. 7,000 signatures. Chuck Sievertson,
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  Speaker 18: ABC News.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: A to Z to Ron Verb on NewsRadio 570 WKBN.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: All right, from NewsRadio 570 WKBN and Ron Verb. So Fauci,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: you took the fifth too often, and you liked Rand
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Paul and the people that were attacked and silenced during
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: the whole COVID situation.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I have to say, Dr. Fauci more than
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: arguably broke the law in trying to ask for the
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Fifth Amendment on issues where he's received a presidential pardon,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: and that's exactly why the Senate... has voted to hold
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: him in contempt. He's taking the fifth where he has
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: no criminal liability. He's taking the fifth on issues for
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: which he was formally pardoned. And you can't have it
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: both ways. But once again, Dr. Fauci doesn't want to
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: take responsibility for locking down the country. He doesn't want
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: to take responsibility for demanding masking and social distancing. all
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: things that have been discredited by this point. It's really
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: a shame that instead of having honest medical advice that
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: relied on tried and true science and research, We had
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: a power-hungry, self-obsessed narcissist in charge. And when you look
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: at the excerpts from Dr. Fauci's diary, it's frightening, Ron.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: You're looking in the mind of a self-absorbed psychopath.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 8: Agreed.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: We're seeing on the Democrat side the strangest people get
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: to winning these primaries, Democrats, socialists. It's a category they
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: fall into. What do you make of those candidates, and
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: why do you suspect in the United States of America
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: they're winning these party elections?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: Remember that Nazi just meant National Socialist Labor Party. Socialism
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: is dangerous. It has killed countless millions of people over
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: the ages, and if you voluntarily accept The term socialism,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: if you're not just being attacked, oh, he's a socialist.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: If you yourself claim the term, you're a dangerous person.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: But they're winning in the United States of America. It's
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: as though people are saying they don't believe in capitalism anymore.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: We have young people, and I'd like to know your
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: comments about it. Are they frustrated to say, listen, I'm
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: playing by all the rules. I'm making some decent money,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: but I can't afford a car. They're $ 50, 000 or a
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: home anymore, or I'm just not able to make it
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: anymore because everything is so damn expensive. that you hear
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: from a lot of younger people. Fair argument to make.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: Is that why they're leading to these Democrat socialists and
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: voting that way?
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: I think so. But what folks are failing to understand
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: is the reason prices are so high, the reason life
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: has become so unfair, is precisely because so many of
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: these socialists have been elected. Real capitalism, true free markets,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: mean a growing pie and rising tides that lift all
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: of our boats. The reason we're having such a hard
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: time is the socialists are raising our taxes, they're over-regulating us,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: and ultimately they're killing our economy. If you want to
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: have a better life and more upward social mobility, we
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: need capitalism. We need democracy. Socialism and communism are precisely
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: the reason why countries die. It creates a permanent lower class.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: for the dictator to rule over. And guess what? Your
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: odds of being the dictator ain't great. Right.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: But take a look at New York City and who
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: they elected mayor. It's unbelievable.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: It is, and they're already regretting it. I think that
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: folks believe that socialism is just like a fair form
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: of capitalism. They don't understand that it's essentially just a kinder,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: gentler name for communism. There's really not a huge difference
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: between socialism and communism. They both end in the same
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: place where the government ultimately controls virtually everything. and a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: handful of people hold all of the wealth. And once again,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: the odds of you being in that handful of elites
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: are not very good. I used to joke with my
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: communist friends, okay, you win, we'll have communism, but I
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: get to be the dictator and you get to be
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: the peasant. Oh, that doesn't sound so good? Well, guess what?
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: Your odds of being the dictator are not in a
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: country of hundreds of millions of people. You're going to
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: be the dictator? You're going to be the one? No,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: you're not. Communism is only good for the handful of
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: elites that rule society, and socialism is communism-lite.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: What did you think about the amount of money spent
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: against Tom Massey, and he was defeated as a congressman,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: with a lot of special interest money coming into that district?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: I think that there are two very different narratives about
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: the race with Thomas Massey. And I think that folks
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: try to emphasize one over the other. But I really
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: think it's simpler than the narrative of he was fighting
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: the powers that be. I think that Thomas Massey continued
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: to vote against Trump's premier and most important legislation. Donald
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: Trump did not endorse him for reelection, and he lost.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: President Trump has had a very strong record of winning primaries,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: and Congressman Massey just refused to vote with the president
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: on his marquee legislation, and Trump said, we need somebody
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: new in there. I really think it's that simple. The
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Massey that I admire is Brian Massey. I think Tom
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Massey kind of got drunk on power, and he started
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: voting like a liberal against President Trump.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Do you think that as Trump lost his focus, as
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: he lost putting the American agenda first, as we've gotten
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: involved in this war with Iran and regime change and
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: things that he said he spoke against when he was running,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, what are your thoughts about this Iran situation
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: and the oil situation and the inflation that's coming from it?
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Not at all. I think that President Trump has been
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: remarkably consistent with his foreign policy, where other presidents... have
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: had long-term occupations, boots on the ground, armies marching across subcontinents.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: President Trump has always been a surgeon. He strategically bombs
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: negative assets. And while there is certainly a cost to that,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: both in human life and in money, compared to ground assaults,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: President Trump is a surgeon where other presidents have played general.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: And so I think that with Iran, we continue to
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: see the Trump doctrine at play. He said, I am
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: not going to allow you to have a nuclear bomb,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: and he stopped them. And the reality, Ron, is that
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: if he did nothing... and a nuclear bomb went off
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: in Tel Aviv or New York City, either one, everyone
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: on planet Earth would say, why didn't President Trump act?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: A few missiles could have prevented this disaster. Donald Trump
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: did what had to be done, and now he's working
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: to have a quick resolution to the conflict in Iran,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: in a world where most wars take years and decades.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: We're talking months. Once again, President Trump is a surgeon
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: where most other presidents have played general, and I think
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: you're continuing to see his policy succeed. The cost has
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: been far less, and the benefit is incalculable because, once again,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: in a world with weapons of mass destruction, Ron, it
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: takes one virus. It takes one nuclear bomb. It takes
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: one dirty bomb to kill millions of people. And when
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: you see Iran literally launch missiles at every surrounding country,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: including its allies, we realize that they have no loyalties.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: They're not even really a government. They are a terrorist-run state,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: and they cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Why is it not a reality to get this SAVE
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Act when it comes to voting passed by Republicans that
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: are not, some that aren't supporting it, and Democrats that
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: are not? Why is it such a big deal to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: say you have to be a citizen and you have
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: to have an ID to vote? And why hasn't that
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: been successful in Trump getting it accomplished?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, Ron. 80% of Americans reliably support
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: the SAVE Act. and requiring photo ID to vote. If
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: you need photo ID to go on a plane or
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: to tour the Barack Obama Presidential Library, you should have
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: photo ID for the most important thing, for the right
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: to vote. 80% plus of Americans agree. Why hasn't it
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: passed Congress? I'm not the first to say it, but
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: I will say it loud and proud. The problem we
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: have is half the Republicans are really Democrats and half
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: the Democrats are really communists.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: I got to digest that for a minute. But I
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: think it's true. Are you a little bit disappointed that
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: some of the executive orders that Trump put out have
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: not been put into law, that the Republican Party, though
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: it's in charge, hasn't done more?
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: I'm very disappointed because we know that there will be
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: presidents who disagree with Trump in the future. You know,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: it's the nature of living in a massive constitutional republic
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: from sea to shining sea. And if you don't put
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: something in the law, it doesn't have staying power. Because
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: the very moment a president who disagrees with you comes
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: into office, they overrule every executive order. You know, Trump
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: overrode pretty much all of Obama's executive orders. Biden overrode Trump's.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: Trump's overridden Biden's. I don't want the reform's. that are
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: protecting my right to vote and your right to vote.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want the reforms that are protecting our Constitution.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: I don't want those to be wiped away with the
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: swipe of a pen. These executive orders should have been
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: codified a long time ago. And you're right, Ron. We've
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: got too many rhinos in Congress who secretly don't support
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: our president. And while they're not brave enough to come
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: right out and say it, We're seeing it in their
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: actions and the fact that we just can't get this
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: legislation through Congress, even though we have majorities in both houses.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about tariffs?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: I think that Donald Trump is the first president in
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: modern history. to push back on the loss of American jobs,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: particularly manufacturing jobs, to China and overseas. And tariffs are
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: an important tool in the toolkit as part of that.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: I think the federal courts have inappropriately intervened on these issues.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: I think President Trump acted well within his presidential authority
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: to levy these tariffs. And we saw incredibly positive results.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: Look how country after country came to the table and
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: cut their tariffs, cut their fees on American products in
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: response to Trump's policy. He has improved our trading position
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: with the world foundationally in a way that no president
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: before him has. Where Bill Clinton and company gave us
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: NAFTA and we lost American jobs, the hollowing out in
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: the Midwest, Donald Trump has been bringing them back. Unfortunately,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: his hands have been tied too many times by the
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: federal courts. And frankly, those unelected judges should be ashamed
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: of themselves because they're not just hurting President Trump. They're
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: hurting the American worker who continues to be at a
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: distinct disadvantage to countries that are using unfair trade practices and, frankly,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: even using slaves to compete with our workers. I'm sorry, folks,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: but there are effectively slaves in China and Africa working
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: in factories and countries in inhuman conditions. And then they
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: say to workers in the United States, compete with that cost.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: You can't compete with free labor. And we should not
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: allow those products to compete with American products. How do
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: we even the playing field? You tear up those slave
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: labor products and you don't reward a country for torturing
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: its own citizenry.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: Do you think we're getting at a point like if,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: for example, if I stand in front of a judge,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: politics shouldn't be a factor at all. It should be
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: what is what are the facts of the case? What
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: is the truth here before we render a verdict? Are
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: we seeing a judicial system as a Duke educated lawyer?
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: Are we seeing a judicial system that's getting too political
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: on all levels? And I'd like you to comment on
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court as well as. the local courts and
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: courts in between, are they getting too political as opposed
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: to just doing a job of hearing the case and
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: rendering a decision?
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, yes. Now, the Supreme Court is in a league
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: of its own. In theory, the Supreme Court is supposed
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: to set new precedent and hear cases of first impression.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: And so, to some extent, you can argue the Supreme
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: Court is inherently political. It always has been. Fine and
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: fair enough. But what's disturbing to me is to see
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: federal district court judges, to see trial judges who are
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: supposed to, who have taken an oath to uphold the law,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: not make new law, not reinterpret it in their own image,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: but uphold the law. It is supposed to be a
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: humble job, Ron. Being a trial-level judge is supposed to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: be humble. You read the law like any lawyer, you
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: apply it like any lawyer, and you move to the
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: next case. The problem is we've had judges like Boasberg
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: who've seen the opportunity to become celebrities by creatively reinterpreting
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: the law. This is nothing new. Rush Limbaugh would talk
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: about the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals because of their
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: judicial activism. Well, guess what? It's gotten worse. It's not
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: just the circuit courts anymore. Now the federal district judges
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: have gotten the same idea. You know what people want,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: what average Jane and Joe Americans want? They want to
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: be able to hire a lawyer who can read the
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: law and say, this is how it's going to come out.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: There's supposed to be predictability. We're supposed to know in advance,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: is it legal or not? I mean, if you can't
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: even know what the law is, how do you know
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: if you're breaking it? The problem is we have these
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: activist judges. We're just remaking the law as it's politically convenient.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: You don't even know what the law is anymore because
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: it's become an amorphous blob. Once again, the Supreme Court
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: has always been political, and there are strong arguments that
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: it was created to be political. But we all expect
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: trial judges to simply uphold the law, and unfortunately, you're right, Ron,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: it's gotten worse.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: A couple more questions. Break pending. A couple more questions.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: You've got a few more minutes.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: All right. I mean, I want to ask him a
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: few more questions about the court system and maybe AOC
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: being a candidate. We're talking with John Pleschnik, commissioner from
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: Lake County, Duke law lawyer.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: News Radio 570 WKBN.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: With John Pleschnik on News Radio 570 WKBN. When Biden
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: said when he had to make his Supreme Court pick,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: I want to make sure I get a black woman.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: What I'm looking for on the Supreme Court is the
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: brightest legal minds in the country to hear the law,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: to hear the case and rule based on our Constitution
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: and our law. It seems we're getting further and further
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: away from that. I'm not opposed to conservatives because I
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: think that's what conservatives try to do. They try to
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: listen and judge it based on what the law is currently.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: But with the liberal judges, I don't get that impression.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: Do you have the same thoughts?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: I do. I do. And unfortunately, President Biden said the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: quiet part out loud. He wasn't really looking for the
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: most qualified candidate. He was looking for the most politically
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: convenient candidate. He wanted to get votes by... frankly, engaging
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: in racial politics, and he also wanted to promote liberal ideology.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, in so doing, he completely delegitimized his pick
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: for Supreme Court. And it takes away a lot of
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: confidence of the American people to know that their highest
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: court is being populated by people for political reasons rather
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: than based on merit, because we want the best person
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: for the job. You know, you go in the hospital,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: you want to make sure you have the best surgeon
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: in the world, not someone who's going to get your
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: congressman some votes or, you know, push a certain political agenda.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: It's really unfortunate that Biden brought racial politics into Supreme
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: Court appointments the way he did. But once again, the
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: liberal versus conservative divide goes even beyond that. The fundamental
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: question is, should judges make the law or should they
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: interpret the law as it stands? That is the most
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: fundamental question in judicial philosophy. And ultimately, when you look
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: to the founding documents, when you look at separation of powers,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: it is very clear that our founding fathers intended the
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: legislature to make the law, the executive branch to execute
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: and implement it, and the judicial branch to interpret it.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: For the judge to make the law is the judge
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: to usurp the role of the legislature and ultimately take
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: power away from the people. Because federal judges are not elected,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: they are appointed. And we don't have the ability to
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: vote no on a Supreme Court justice when they rule
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: against what we think is right. The only recourse we
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: have when it comes to the law is who we
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: vote for in Congress. And it is unfair, then, to
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: take away Congress's power and hand it to some unelected
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: bureaucrat or judge.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: Well, you even have the Democrats talking about getting rid
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: of the Electoral College and expanding the Supreme Court for
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: their political purposes. What are your thoughts?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: Court packing, Senate packing would be the end of the republic.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, the reality is we would cease to have
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: a constitutional republic anymore. we would have a communist state.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, if you can
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: create states out of thin air and pack the Senate,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: if you can pack the Supreme Court, we have no
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: balance of power anymore, and it just becomes sheer political force.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: Our Constitution becomes meaningless. The Supreme Court is the guardian
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: of the Constitution, and if you can appoint your nephew,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: your best friend, any random person in the Supreme Court...
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: There is no longer a Constitution. You have no meaningful
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: Bill of Rights. And frankly, at best, we have tyranny
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: of the majority. At worst, we have tyranny of a dictator.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: Just I want to ask you about AOC quickly. What
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: do you think about her that's being talked about as
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: a potential presidential run? Because I find it frightening.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: Let me just say the professor is not impressed with
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: the bartender. The fact that AOC is a congresswoman... is
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: an insult to the American people. She is wholly unqualified.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: She's not qualified for dog catcher, let alone Congress. And
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: the idea that she could be president of the United
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: States is, to your point, frightening.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: Final question. Now, as a Duke, I want to get
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: your quick reaction, attorney. As a Duke law graduate, Good
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: cases aren't won or lost in a courtroom. It's the
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: legwork you do ahead of time that you bring to
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: the courtroom. Would you agree with that statement?
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of truth in that statement,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: but you can certainly lose a course. You can certainly
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: lose a case in the courtroom. I have seen bad
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: attorneys pull that off. You have to prepare in advance
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: of your argument, and that is 90% of the work.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: But oral arguments matter. Sometimes you change a judge's mind
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: on the spot.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: I have a world of respect. for you, and I'm
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: honored that you've been on the program. Thank you, John.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: I got a break.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Ron.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 26: The pressure is on, and now both of Ohio's U.S.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 26: senators are calling for that embattled congressman from Ohio to
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 26: step down.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: Ohio Senator John Husted said Thursday on X that Representative
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: Max Miller of the Cleveland area should resign from Congress,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: saying the allegations of domestic violence of which Miller is
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: accused of committing regarding his ex-wife and their daughter should
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: be dealt with in private, not in the House Ethics Committee.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: Not in a re-election campaign.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 4: Husted is joining Ohio's other senator, Bernie Marino, in calling
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: for Miller to resign. Marino is Miller's former father-in-law.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 8: I'm Tom Moore.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 26: In sports, the freshman running back, Legend Bay, will not
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 26: join the Buckeyes on the field as preseason camp gets
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 26: started this week. Head coach Ryan Day confirming that Bay
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 26: has been suspended for violating team rules and is going
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 26: to miss a couple of practices. I'm Sandy Collins.
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• 1:59:29
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• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: What a fascinating day it has been. I mean, to
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: have Commissioner Plushnick from Lake County. And to start off
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: the broadcast, to ask him, you know, tell me about
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: your educational background or your background. To hear him tell
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: that story of how he was homeschooled by his mother,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: who just, I mean, really did terrific things as far
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: as his education is concerned. And then to see him
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: graduate Duke Law School at the age of 22. And
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: then to go further on to become an accountant and
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: a tax attorney. His education is just really impressive. And
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: to sit here and talk to him about his thoughts
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: about property taxes and what he's doing in Lake County
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: or what they're trying to do on a statewide level.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: It's just absolutely fascinating to me. And then to hear
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: his thought process on so many of the other national
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: issues outside of all of that, well, what are his
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: thoughts about all of this? You know, I sit here
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: and I must tell you, I just, I sit here
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: and I think this is a brilliant guy. I mean,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: this is really a smart guy. And just an impressive individual.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: And when I often talk about how impressed I am,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: I think DeSantis is the best governor in the country.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: I think he'd make an outstanding president. And I look
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: at the similarities between Plushnik and DeSantis in the sense
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: of DeSantis is a lawyer. Plushnik is a lawyer. DeSantis
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: is a guy that reads. He doesn't accept what people
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: are saying. He actually reads. He puts time and effort
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: into it. And the one thing I've always learned, not
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: to sound like, and I don't mean it to sound
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: this way, not to sound like a pompous ass or anything,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: but the one thing that I learned in getting educated
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: throughout the years, I mean, there was no choice in
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: my household. I'll just tell you that right now. As
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: I said numerous times, there was no choice. If you
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: went to my mother and said you were going to
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: drop out of high school, that choice didn't exist. I
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: can assure you of that. As I've said numerous times,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: you know what the dropout rate in high school should be?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: Zero.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: It's the least we can expect of everybody. So the
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: dropout rate should be zero. We expect you to go
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: to high school and to graduate, whether if you go
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: to vocational school and learn a skill or trade or
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: whatever the case might be. That is the expectations that
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: we should have for everybody. And so there is no
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: escaping those expectations. I mean, to a certain extent, it's parenting.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: And when I talk to Pleschnik, I just– Think of
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: great parenting that has taken place there from the very
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: beginning to create the man that I just got done interviewing.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: But when I make the comparison as I did to
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: him after we were talking, as I did when I
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: was introducing him to DeSantis and as I was introducing
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: him as far as his educational background, the philosophies when
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: it comes to governments and taxes that DeSantis has as governor,
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: it's the philosophies. It's what's in the man's soul and
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: brain that has created such a great environment in Florida.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: And how he values the taxpayer and what's happening to
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: the taxpayer and letting them keep more of their money,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: his philosophies. His philosophies and the philosophies of Pleshnik are
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: very similar. That was a comparison I was making. They're
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: both very well-educated attorneys. that have very similar thoughts when
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: it comes to taxes and government spending. And I'm impressed
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: with both of them. I mean, at some point, I'll
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: probably reach out to DeSantis and trying to get him
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: onto the program live. At some point, you know, he
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: does have ties to the Youngstown area. So I think
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: that that is doable at some point to have a
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: conversation with with him about his philosophies. Because as I
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: played him to Pleschnik, I just thought, you know, it's
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: so refreshing to hear what he has to say about
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. And that's why I make the comparison
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: with what, well, I played him the one DeSantis soundbite,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: which I think is really spot on when it comes
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: to his philosophies personally. In Florida, and it's not just
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: the state, the philosophies would apply anywhere you go. Let
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: me play you that clip in case you missed it.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: That isn't what I'm looking for. Let me see here.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: I've got to find it. I don't want you to
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: hear it because it's the thought process. And you don't
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: have that philosophy around here enough. You do... With DeSantis
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: in Florida, it is really quite impressive. Let me see
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: here where I got to find it.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 7: Here we go.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: Just listen to this. All right. Just listen to a
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: short clip of DeSantis talking.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 7: What are you looking to do with Property Texas?
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 13: Well, we're looking to give people relief from the high
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 13: cost of living. I mean, we've had a major inflationary
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 13: period in American history, one of the most inflationary. Groceries,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 13: all these things. Who knows what's going to happen with oil?
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 13: The one thing we control is tax. And so in Florida,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 13: local governments get property tax. We don't get it at
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 13: the state. We've got a plush rainy day fund. We've
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 13: paid down half our debt since I've been governor. I've
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 13: got all this great stuff. We're doing great. Local governments,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 13: when I became governor, were taking in $ 32 billion. Now
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 13: they're taking in $ 60 billion. So their revenue has almost
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 13: doubled in seven years.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 13: Because they're assessing the values higher, and the values have
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 13: gone up. And so we're saying, okay, If you're a
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 13: Florida resident and you're homesteading your property, that's your primary
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 13: homesteaded residence, we think that should be excluded. Now, that's
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 13: about 30% of the overall property tax revenue if you
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 13: just did it on day one. So it's got to
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 13: go on the ballot in November of 2026. It would
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 13: be something that would be phased in most likely. could
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 13: get to a point very quickly in Florida where 90-some
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 13: percent are not paying anything, and eventually we'd phase in
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 13: the elimination. So it can be done, and if we
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 13: don't do anything, they're going to have $ 84 billion in
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 13: revenue in 2031. So that's 12, 13 years to go
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 13: from 32 to 84. So when people will say, you
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 13: can't do it, you're not going to have any services,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 13: just ask them, did we not have schools and police
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 13: in 2019 when they were taken in 32 billion? Of
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 13: course we did. Now, give them inflation, give them population growth,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 13: give them a couple percent just for kicks on a
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 13: Saturday night. That takes you to about 46 or 47 billion.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 13: It doesn't take you to 60. So how would you
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 13: want to do that? Maintain the growth of these governments
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 13: or give Floridians really historic property tax relief?
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: So so he but I mean, what he says is basically,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: as Pleshnik has said, it's your money. And if we
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: put more of your money in your pocket, that's good
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: for the economy and that's good for you. And ultimately,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: that can even create more tax dollars, you know, through
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: sales tax, through you spending it and what have you.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: The philosophy is in too many areas, government feels that you,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: the taxpayer, get the crumbs and they get the bulk
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: of it. As DeSantis says in Florida, we feel you
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: get the bulk of your money and government gets the crumbs.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: As I said to Pleschnik, year after year, Florida spends
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: more money this year than it did the year before.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Spends less money than they did the year before, spends
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: less money that year than they did the year before.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Not adjusted for inflation. So you can see that they're
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: spending less money. You can see they're doing zero-based budgeting.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: This is what we have to strive for. And we
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: don't see that here on this level. We don't see
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: that from our commissioners. We don't see that from, in
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: many cases, our local government officials. We just don't see it.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: As they continue to get these astronomical increases, it's never enough.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: And they were hesitant to give you the doubling the
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: homestead exemption, if you will, to double that. They were
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: hesitant to do that, even though they had a windfall
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: of additional money coming in. Therein lies what the problems are.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: You're on the air.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 5: Hi, Ron.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 6: He is smart. He is very smart. I was very
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 6: impressed with... His thought process and whatnot and the education was— He's.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: Just a— he' s a good man.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's undeniable right there. That's a no-brainer right there.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 6: But yesterday, you know, as I said, I'm not— when it
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 6: comes to the socialist idea, there's a lot of that— there' s
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 6: a lot of negative— When it comes to that, also,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 6: there's also some positives in it. We have to learn
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 6: to find kind of a balance between those two.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: But I would say this to you, just with that
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: being said. I can't, I don't need, I don't want socialism.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, for everyone that's bitching about this country, can
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: I tell you nothing has been easy in life? I mean,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: no matter what course or what avenue you take, I
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: don't think it's easy to go learn a skill or
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: a trade to become an electrician. It's like going to college.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's easy to become a good auto
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: mechanic today. I don't think it's physically easy or mentally
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: easy to become a good guy to drywall. I can
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: go in through any number of these things. I don't
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: think any of it is easy. It takes a lot
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: of time, effort, and headache and heartache to do it. So,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to tell you, it was going
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: through all those years of college easy. No, it was hard.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: And it was a sacrifice. And most people didn't succeed
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: and graduate. They dropped out. Just as a lot of
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: people drop out of the trades before they succeed on it.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: But as I've said to you numerous times, when I
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: looked around at kids I went to high school with,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: they gave up their 20s to become doctors. Ten years
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: of their life. I wasn't willing to do that. So
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: they made a bunch of money. They deserve to make
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: a bunch of money. That's capitalism in the United States
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: of America. They made the sacrifice for that. I mean,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: as I'm older and how my life turned out, it
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: has been unbelievable for me what this great capitalistic country
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: has done for me. Unbelievable. So I'm not into socialism.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: I'm into saying it's up to you to... Grab the
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: horns and run with it. Do the best that you
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: can do. It's a great country. Let me move on.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 6: I agree with you. I only stayed in college for
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 6: about two years, and I didn't commit to it, and
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 6: I never had the passion to fulfill that.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a sacrifice. It was hard.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm here to tell you. It was nothing
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 6: that's—I'm not— I don't sacrifice just because I didn't finish school.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying to you, it was hard, and
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: that's why most people don't finish it. But I don't
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: know how to explain this to you. There was no
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: choice in my— I might have been an adult, but
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: there wasn't a choice in my household that I would
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: not complete the mission that was set out for me.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: My father and mother would not– if I dropped out
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: of college, that was unacceptable.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 6: I bet it was unacceptable when my father wanted me
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 6: to finish school and I didn't. I disappointed him by
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 6: not doing so because on my epitaph, on my stone,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 6: it's going to say I've had the ability to do
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 6: so much but accomplish so little.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: See, I don't mean it to sound that way, because
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: anything that I see is difficult and hard. I appreciate
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: anybody that does physically hard work, and there's so many
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: things beyond just the educational aspect of it that is...
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: That's just hard work. I mean, it's putting an effort forth.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: Once again, it's not easy to be an auto mechanic.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: It's not easy to be an electrician. It's not easy
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: to be great to finish cement. It's not easy to
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: get up and get a CDL and drive. I mean,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know of many people that are successful that
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: it was easy for them. I mean, that's and I'm
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: not trying to say anything negative to you at all.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying socialism doesn't cut it.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 6: Don't punish those people. You've proven your point as far
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 6: as your which how you.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: Feel about it.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 6: And I respect that. And and that's even though I
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 6: disagree somewhat on some things, but I'm not I'm not
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 6: denying that that's that there's some disadvantages to everything. There's
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 6: disadvantages to capitalism. There's not as many as someone like...
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 6: Communism is something that never works. I'm not arguing that point.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 6: The point is that I don't believe that you should
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 6: take out of somebody's pocket to give to somebody else.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 6: I don't believe in that.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that that.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 6: Should be the case.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: But there's also..
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 6: You want to be able to give... If I'm blessed... Okay,
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 6: I'm blessed to have what I have. Okay, whether through
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 6: hard work or through luck or whatever.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: I'm running out of time. I don't want to live
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: like they do in India with somebody starving on the street.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with what you're saying to a certain extent.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with it. But, you know, I have
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: an older brother that's 10 years older that's much, that
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: is really who I admire a great deal in my
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: world and who is extremely smart and... just was always
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: really smart and did very well in life. Well, that's
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: because he put the effort forth and took a lot
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: of chances. And, you know, he shouldn't be punished for that.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: Let me take some calls. I tell you what, you
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: call me Monday and we'll pick up this discussion. You're
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: on the air.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: Ronnie.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 30: You said that you didn't want to be a pompous arse.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 30: I think you just fall into the general arse category.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 30: But, um, I wanted to ask Mr. Plesnik, maybe Plesnik 2028, 2032,
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 30: the blanket pardon that Biden gave. They're talking about no kings.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 30: If you could become president and then anybody in your
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 30: circle could be pardoned for any crime for 10 years,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 30: that's a king right there. I don't understand how this
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 30: is even possible. And I wanted to ask him about
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 30: that because, I mean, if Fauci was pardoned for a crime,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 30: he should at least be able to be charged for
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 30: that crime, even though he knows he's going to be not,
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 30: you know, he'll be pardoned at the end. But the
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 30: United States should be able to see what he did
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 30: to get the truth out.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: What should you?
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: I agree. I'll ask him next time if I remember. Okay.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 18: All right.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: You're on the air.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: You're not even going to remember what you had for.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 31: Dinner last night.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I do remember what I
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: had for dinner. I had Chinese. I had orange chicken
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: and fried rice.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 23: That's great.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 31: Well, I'll be down here in my wonderful kitchen making
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 31: up some wonderful sloppy shows for my granddaughter's birthday party tomorrow.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 31: I thought you'd like to know that.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: Where are the helium balloons and all that kind of
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: stuff for the party?
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 31: Well, this is going to be at my son's house,
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 31: so they're taking care.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 6: Of all that.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: You know what? I bet you, in all seriousness, just
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: in my discussions with you, as I say, I'm fascinated
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: by you. I bet you're a hell of a grandpa.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: I really do.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 31: Well, I'm not going to brag.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm going to brag.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 8: Let me do my break.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: I'll come right back to you.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: I'll be right here.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: All right. I bet he's a hell of a grandpa,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: don't you? We might disagree sometimes politically, but he's a
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: good dude. We'll be right back.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 32: I'm not great with words after a fight. And I'm sorry,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 32: wasn't cutting it this time. So I use smile tunes
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 32: to write a soulful ballad about how she's always right.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 32: By the second chorus, the silent treatment was officially over.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 32: Visit SmileTunes.com and get out of the doghouse today.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: Looking to upgrade your home? Ron Ferb from the Kingdom
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: of Mahoning? Okay, I bet you're a hell of a grandpa.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: I genuinely do. You and I have our disagreements politically,
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: but deep down I think you're a good man.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 31: I tend to agree with you on that.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you agree with me on that.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 31: I've been misunderstood a lot in my life, but I'm
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 31: not a bad guy.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: Has life gone by quicker than you thought? I mean,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: when you look at how old you are now.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 31: Don't blink.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: Don't blink.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 31: That's all I can say. The last 40 have gone
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 31: by as a blur.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: B-L-U.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 6: Blur. R-R.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 31: Is it R-R?
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 31: Gone by as a blur.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: Are you healthy? I mean, overall, are you in.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 20: Pretty good health?
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 6: Overall, yeah.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 31: Yeah. I'm lucky. I feel pretty good. I feel lucky.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 31: And my station in life is fine.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: And..
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 31: You know, my feet hit the ground every morning, and
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 31: here I am.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: Are you enjoying your retirement?
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 27: I am.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: What is there about, I mean, after years of working
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: and then not having to work, are you saying it's
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: good not to be able to?
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 27: It is.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: I said it before.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 31: I'm glad I don't have to wiggle my butt for
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 31: nobody anymore. Nobody.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: I remember when my mother retired, she was a school secretary.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: She said, and she enjoyed her work. She said, my
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: time is now mine, all of my time to do
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: what I want when I want on my schedule.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 7: There you go.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 31: If I feel like going out and working in the yard,
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 31: what I used to do is get it all done
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 31: in a couple, three hours or on the weekend. But
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 31: now if it takes me a week and a half,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 31: I don't care.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: When you look at your children who are now adults,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: are you happy with the outcome?
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 31: For the most part. For the most part. But, you know,
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 31: kids grow up to be adults and they have minds
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 31: of their own. And what your religion, what your politics,
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 31: what your station in life, you would like, you know,
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 31: I'm sure you have certain things that you would like
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 31: them to follow. But it doesn't always work out that
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 31: way because they see the world in a different way
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 31: than you do. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 31: with that. That's fine. They're adults, and they can think.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: On their own.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: A quick question with a quick answer. As you review
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: your life, do you say one of your greatest accomplishments
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: was your children?
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 31: Without a doubt.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: And you know what? I enjoy my time with you.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: It's short today, but... You wrap up the week, and
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: you're just a good guy and a great grandpa, and
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: you have a terrific time tomorrow. Have a pleasant week.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: All right. Thanks a lot. Take care.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you.