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Sharri | 28 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: Tonight, I can exclusively reveal at least two of the
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Speaker 4: ISIS brides will be arrested when they land in Australia.
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Speaker 3: More in our scoop.
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Speaker 4: In a moment tonight, James Patterson calls on the Albaneze
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Speaker 4: government to consider buying powerful bunker busting bombs, and he
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Speaker 4: says labor is downplaying the threat from China.
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Speaker 3: He'll join me live shortly tonight.
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Speaker 4: We's across to Washington as President Trump hits out at
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Speaker 4: the violent rhetoric from the left wing media.
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Speaker 3: This in the wake of the assassination attempt.
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Speaker 4: Our reporter Jonathan Cursley was in the room, and we'll
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Speaker 4: have all the details. But first tonight I can reveal
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Speaker 4: two of the Isis brides are expected to be arrested
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Speaker 4: when they land in Australia.
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Speaker 3: They've been issued.
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Speaker 4: Air tickets and passpots to return to Australia, although the
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Speaker 4: Albanize government has no confirmed return time or day yet,
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Speaker 4: four brides and nine children are set to return. My
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Speaker 4: confidential sources have told me at least two of the
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Speaker 4: Isis brides are expected to be arrested when they land,
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Speaker 4: but potentially more police are working on this at the moment.
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Speaker 4: AFP and New South Wales police have been aware of
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Speaker 4: the return of the cohort since late last year and
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Speaker 4: have been preparing for it. The government today did not
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Speaker 4: confirm any arrests, but said they're possible.
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Speaker 5: What we can do is pick them up at the
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Speaker 5: airport if they've broken the law. We've already issued a
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Speaker 5: temporary exclusion order for one of them on the basis
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Speaker 5: of our security agencies advice. We follow Australian law. As
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Speaker 5: a government, we follow the law and we follow the
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Speaker 5: advice of our security agencies.
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Speaker 4: But my sources tell me, as I've just said, that
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Speaker 4: at least two of the women will.
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Speaker 3: Be arrested when they land.
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Speaker 4: We're President Donald Trump has fired up over the dangerous
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Speaker 4: campaign against him by the left, where rehetoric of violence
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Speaker 4: only encourages murderous acts. We've spoke in the show last
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Speaker 4: night about this. How there are dozens and dozens of
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Speaker 4: examples of politicians and commentators on the left encouraging violence
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Speaker 4: against the president. It's portrayed as a revolutionary act as
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Speaker 4: in the national interest.
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Speaker 3: And here's just a few examples.
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Speaker 2: Americans, when are you going to do it.
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Speaker 6: Why isn't it already done you? Every day there's another
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Speaker 6: obing right, awful for your country, awful, right?
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Speaker 2: Why don't we redirect this energy to something else.
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Speaker 7: He's a dog, he's a pig, he's a khn, a
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Speaker 7: bullet artist.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to punch him in the face.
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Speaker 4: If you had to be stuck in an elevator with
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Speaker 4: either President Trump, Mike Pans or Jeff's Sessions, who would
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Speaker 4: it be?
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Speaker 5: Does one of us have to come out alive?
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Speaker 3: And there's so much more where that came from.
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Speaker 4: We then saw the alleged shooters manifesto echoed many Democrat
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Speaker 4: talking points about the president. Columnist Miranda Devine here well,
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Speaker 4: she said it well last night when she said there
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Speaker 4: was almost a bloodlust for Trump to be killed. And
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Speaker 4: the White House Press secretary today called this out, Carolyn Levitt,
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Speaker 4: laying blame for the assassination attempt at the democratic cult
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Speaker 4: of hatred, as she called.
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Speaker 8: It, the left wing cult of hatred against the president
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Speaker 8: and all of those who support him and work for him,
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Speaker 8: has gotten multiple people hurt and killed, and it almost
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Speaker 8: did so again this weekend.
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Speaker 4: And this all comes as prosecutors have now charged Cole
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Speaker 4: Allen with attempting to assassinate Trump.
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Speaker 9: There will be additional charges as this investigation continues to unfold.
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Speaker 9: But make no mistake, this was an attempted assassination of
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Speaker 9: the President of the United States, with the defendant making
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Speaker 9: clear what his intent was, and that intent was to
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Speaker 9: bring down as many of the high ranking cabinet officials
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Speaker 9: as he could. To thirty eight semi automatic, he had
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Speaker 9: at least three knives and all kinds of paraphernalia, So
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Speaker 9: any suggestion that he wasn't there to do harm is absurd.
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Speaker 4: So despite Barack Obama's claim not to know the motives, well,
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Speaker 4: we're told the shooter was allegedly trying to kill the
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Speaker 4: President Trump. Trump has now joined the chorus of those
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Speaker 4: expressing outrage at Jimmy Kimmel's comments.
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Speaker 3: We played them last night.
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Speaker 4: Where the comedian said that Milania had the glow of
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Speaker 4: an expectant widow. Well, the President today said Kimmel should
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Speaker 4: be sacked by the ABC in America, and he put
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Speaker 4: out this statement on his truth social where he said
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Speaker 4: he appreciates that so many people are incensed by Kimmel's
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Speaker 4: despicable court to violence, and he went on he said
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Speaker 4: it was beyond the pale and he should be immediately
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Speaker 4: fired by Disney and ABC.
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Speaker 3: But it's not just.
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Speaker 4: In America that the media seems somewhat ambivalent when it
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Speaker 4: comes to Trump. Even the Sydney Morning Herald promoted the
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Speaker 4: idea of a friendly assassin.
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Speaker 3: And look at this headline.
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Speaker 4: Alleged shooter's manifesto claims he is a friendly federal assassin.
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Speaker 3: Trump called him sick.
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Speaker 4: I mean to me, it seems like they're giving equivalents
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Speaker 4: to the shooter and Trump. There's no such thing as
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Speaker 4: a friendly assassin, and it's dangerous to promote this idea
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Speaker 4: that came from the manifesto by giving a wait. The
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Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal editorial explained that Cole Allen's idea of
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Speaker 4: himself as a friendly assassin as being on the right
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Speaker 4: side of history, and I quote fits the profile of
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Speaker 4: young men who turn violent after absorbing the poison that
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Speaker 4: too often passes for American political discourse these days, when
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Speaker 4: the stakes are described in life or death terms, the
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Speaker 4: mentally unstable convince themselves of their own righteous cause.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: And they went on to compare it to Luigi Mangioni celebrates,
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Speaker 4: who celebrated on social media for shooting a health insurance
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Speaker 4: chief executive in a Manhattan street. Now there's a rising
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Speaker 4: Democrat politician, Roe Khana, who agrees with this and has
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Speaker 4: called for a commission on political violence.
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Speaker 3: Why don't we start off with this commission? What are
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Speaker 3: you calling for?
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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, the violence is never the answer
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Speaker 10: in a democracy. We need to lower the temperature, and
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Speaker 10: we need to look at the causes of political violence,
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Speaker 10: whether that's social media algorithms, whether it's mental health issues,
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Speaker 10: whether it is access to guns, whether it is heated rhetoric,
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Speaker 10: and what we can do to lower the temperature and
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Speaker 10: prevent violence while not trampling on the First Amendment.
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Speaker 4: There is also political violence on all sides of politics.
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Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul, was violently attacked by an intruder
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Speaker 4: their home. Two men have been charged with trying to
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Speaker 4: launch an attack near Zoran Mamdani's Manhattan home, and Vice
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Speaker 4: President j. D Vance's home windows were smashed by a
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Speaker 4: criminal using a hammer.
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Speaker 3: But given the.
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Speaker 4: Unprecedented extent of assassination attempts on President Trump's life, the
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Speaker 4: Democrats surely have a moral obligation to unequivocally stand up
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Speaker 4: and show leadership on this to send the message that
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Speaker 4: political violence against the president cannot be condoned. Now to
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Speaker 4: a story that would be front page news on every
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Speaker 4: paper around the country if it were a girl from
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Speaker 4: a regular suburban community, but it's not because she's not.
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Speaker 4: This is five year old Sharon Grenita's. Her parents say
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Speaker 4: she was snatched from her bed on Saturday night. They
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Speaker 4: reported her missing at one point thirty in the morning,
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Speaker 4: so she's been gone nearly three days now and no
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Speaker 4: sign of her. Prime Minister Anthony Albinezi spoke today about
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Speaker 4: the devastating situation.
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Speaker 7: Breaks the heart of everyone who hears about this story.
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Speaker 7: Every parent's worse fear is your child going missing. And
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Speaker 7: we just hope that this little girl is found. We
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Speaker 7: hope that it becomes a very good news story.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: She doesn't live in a regular house as you or
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Speaker 4: I know it. She lives in a town camp in
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Speaker 4: central Australia. The conditions aren't great. It's dilapidated. There often
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Speaker 4: aren't proper beds, just mattresses on the floor. It's a
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Speaker 4: town typical of indigenous disadvantage that unfortunately hasn't improved despite
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Speaker 4: billions being poured into the issue. Multi generations share a
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Speaker 4: small space and many of the families don't work, health
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Speaker 4: conditions are poor, and there's alcohol consumption.
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Speaker 3: Now no one knows what has happened to Sharon.
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Speaker 4: Police are investigating, but there's already a key suspect, A
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Speaker 4: violent criminal Jefferson Lewis, was released from prison four days
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Speaker 4: before Sharon went missing. The Australian reports he'd been in
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Speaker 4: and out of jail for the past decade. In his
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Speaker 4: last sentence, he'd been serving time for aggravated as assault,
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Speaker 4: breaching a domestic violence order and breaching bail. Now police
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Speaker 4: have released his image and they believe he.
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Speaker 3: May be involved in Sharon's abduction.
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Speaker 4: Police spoke to him at six forty five pm on
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Speaker 4: the night that Sharon went missing, after what they called
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Speaker 4: a disturbance.
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Speaker 11: He currently remains one of the few people who were
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Speaker 11: in old Timer's camp at the time and who has
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Speaker 11: not made themselves known to police, nor have police been
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Speaker 11: able to locate him at this point in time. Police
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Speaker 11: can confirm that he has recently been released from prison
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Speaker 11: and is currently the subject of no conditions.
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Speaker 4: The Australian reports that Sharon is from a large and
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Speaker 4: well known central Australian family. The patriarch is a prominent
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Speaker 4: well period elder, an interpreter and cultural authority, and her
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Speaker 4: extended family includes acclaimed desert artists.
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Speaker 3: This is a really sad story.
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Speaker 4: We can only pray that Sharon is found safely and soon.
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Speaker 4: With Shadow Defense Minister James Pattison gave an important speech
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Speaker 4: today where he sounded the alarm over Australia's security environment.
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Speaker 4: It was his first ever speech to the National Press
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Speaker 4: Club and he said the Albanezy government should consider buying
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Speaker 4: a fleet of B two one stealth bombers, you know,
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Speaker 4: the type that carried those bunker busting bombs. He said
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Speaker 4: this was just in case anything was to happen to Orcus.
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Speaker 12: I'm not here banging the lectern demanding the government place
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Speaker 12: in order tomorrow. I'm not even saying that a future
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Speaker 12: coalition government would buy them, but I am asking the
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Speaker 12: government to take a careful second look at this. Only
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Speaker 12: the government can know whether the RAF is well placed
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Speaker 12: to acquire these planes and to put them into service.
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Speaker 12: Perhaps there are good reasons why B twenty one does
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Speaker 12: not work for Australia.
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Speaker 4: And James Jones me now, James Great to see you. Look,
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Speaker 4: this was a fascinating speech today. I'll come back to
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Speaker 4: the bunger busting bombs in a second, but in your
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Speaker 4: speech you made the really important point that if Australians
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Speaker 4: knew how likely conflict is in our region and how
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Speaker 4: ill prepared we are, you say they'd be marching in
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Speaker 4: the streets. So how likely do you think conflict is
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Speaker 4: in our region and how dire are our strategic and
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Speaker 4: defense circumstances?
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Speaker 12: Shary, I'd like to be able to put a precise
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Speaker 12: number on aut a percentage, a fraction and tell people
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Speaker 12: with certainty what is going to happen, But I can't.
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Speaker 12: All I can point to is the information that is
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Speaker 12: out there in the public domain, which the government knows
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Speaker 12: and which they should be much more frank and honest
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Speaker 12: about instead of trying to perversely reassure people that everything
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Speaker 12: is okay and that public information is The People's Republic
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Speaker 12: of China is engaged in the largest peacetime buildup of
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Speaker 12: military capability since the end of World War II. They've
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Speaker 12: accompanied that build up with menacing military training exercises around Taiwan,
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Speaker 12: and they also engage in bellicose rhetoric about how the
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Speaker 12: reunification of Taiwan with China is a core objective of
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Speaker 12: the Chinese Communist Party and that they are willing to
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Speaker 12: use force if necessary to achieve it. Now that information alone,
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Speaker 12: should it be enough to focus the minds of the
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Speaker 12: government and to get them to spend more as our
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Speaker 12: best defense and national security experts tell us we must.
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Speaker 12: But they have it, and the reason why they haven't
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Speaker 12: is because they haven't been candid about that threat, and
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Speaker 12: they haven't been candid about how ill prepared we currently are.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we often hear the Prime Minister say when
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Speaker 4: it comes to China, you know, we disagree where we must,
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Speaker 4: and you agree where we can, or some phrase like it.
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Speaker 4: Do you think the Prime Minister is guilty of downplaying
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Speaker 4: the threat from China and other enemies as well, and
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Speaker 4: the axis of evil and instead putting it in these
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Speaker 4: simplistic terms.
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Speaker 12: I think Australians deserve more than just wrote, learned anodyne
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Speaker 12: talking points like those. I think thats a prime Minister
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Speaker 12: who levels with them, who explains that while we don't
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Speaker 12: choose conflict and we would never initiate conflict, conflicts still
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Speaker 12: may occur in the future, and it may occur in
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Speaker 12: an unexpected time, in an unaccepted perspected place, and right
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Speaker 12: now we're not ready. We're not spending enough to make
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Speaker 12: sure that we could, for example, resupply ourselves with precision
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Speaker 12: guided weapons and other munitions. We're not spending enough so
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Speaker 12: that we have adequate integrated air and missile defense of
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Speaker 12: our northern bases, of our major cities, of our critical infrastructure.
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Speaker 12: And we're not spending enough to make sure that a
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Speaker 12: potential future adversary is deterred from engaging in conflict because
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Speaker 12: they fear the consequences of doing so. All of those
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Speaker 12: things are solvable problems, but not at the current pace
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Speaker 12: and not with the current expenditure.
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Speaker 4: All right, Well, that brings us to some of the
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Speaker 4: types of military infrastructure and weapons that you're putting on
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Speaker 4: the table. You know, you're not prescribing the government, but
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Speaker 4: you're saying they need to consider it, talk us through that,
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Speaker 4: including the B two one aircraft with their bunker busting bombs.
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Speaker 12: So, Sharry, I'm a true believer in aucus, but it's
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Speaker 12: a very ambitious undertaking, and there are risks, and there
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Speaker 12: is risks of slippage, particularly as we undergo a life
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Speaker 12: of type extension to the Colins class submarine, which is
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Speaker 12: now a thirty year old platform, and there's a risk
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Speaker 12: that between that life of type extension for Colins and
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Speaker 12: the arrival of Virginia class submarines, there's a gap and
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Speaker 12: we need to have a plan to fill that gap
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Speaker 12: if it arises. One idea to fill that gap is
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Speaker 12: a B twenty one stealth bomber. It is similar to
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Speaker 12: a nuclear propelled submarine in that it delivers long range
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Speaker 12: stealth strike. It can't do everything a nuclear submarine does,
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Speaker 12: but it can do that and the US are putting
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Speaker 12: it into service next year with the US Air Force.
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Speaker 12: So we've previously considered it and thought it wasn't appropriate
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Speaker 12: for Australia, but the world has changed and I think
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Speaker 12: we need to take a second look at this and
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Speaker 12: see if this would fill that gap if it arises,
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Speaker 12: or if there's another capability that could perform a similar function.
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Speaker 4: I still thought it was interesting that you're putting forward
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Speaker 4: with this idea of similar to ASIO Director General Mike
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Speaker 4: Burgess's Annual Threat Assessment, having the Defense Force do something similar,
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Speaker 4: just so that Australians understand the risks we're facing because
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Speaker 4: we usually don't hear about them. We just hear as
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Speaker 4: you put up those talking points from the Defense Minister,
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Speaker 4: the Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 12: Australians have a much better understanding today of the risks
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Speaker 12: of foreign interference and espinage than they did five years
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Speaker 12: ago because of the annual threat assessment that the DJ
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Speaker 12: of Azio Mike Burgess delivers. Imagine if the CDF of
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Speaker 12: our Australian Defense Force also delivered a similar annual lecture
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Speaker 12: that talked about the thread environment, talked about the ads,
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Speaker 12: preparedness and what else they needed to do to meet
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Speaker 12: that moment. That would lift public literacy and understanding of
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Speaker 12: these issues, and it would help earn the social license
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Speaker 12: for defense spending so that next time Richard Miles fronts
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Speaker 12: up to the Expenditure Review Committee he has an easier
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Speaker 12: time asked looking for more money to invest, instead of
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Speaker 12: losing out to other priorities around that table.
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Speaker 4: I have to say, James, when you said you wanted
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Speaker 4: to do the shadow Defense Ministry role, I didn't understand
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Speaker 4: why because it's been such a low profile job. But
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Speaker 4: reading your speech today, the ideas you're putting on the table,
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Speaker 4: the way you're framing Australia. I mean, it is a
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Speaker 4: really important position and you're going to be holding the
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Speaker 4: government to account on it clearly. I'm just keen to
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Speaker 4: ask you about the ISIS bride's issue, which is one
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Speaker 4: that you've been leading for a long time. I'm not
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Speaker 4: sure if you heard, but at the start of the
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Speaker 4: show I broke the news that at least two of
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Speaker 4: the ISIS brides are expected to be arrested when they
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Speaker 4: land in Australia. Now, the question is, if police clearly
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Speaker 4: have information about them that would lead them to think
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Speaker 4: they should be arrested, then why are they coming here.
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Speaker 12: Well, char this is another significance group of yours. It
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Speaker 12: is extraordinarily important that we now know this information because
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Speaker 12: what that suggests is that, tree to the rhetoric of
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Speaker 12: some of the supporters of this and sometimes the government,
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Speaker 12: these people do represent a possible security risk to Australia
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Speaker 12: because they may have committed offenses while they're overseas sufficient
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Speaker 12: that they should be charged when they arrive home. But
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Speaker 12: it also means they are probably eligible for the threshold
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Speaker 12: for a temporary exclusion order, which is a power that
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Speaker 12: the government has to keep people offshore, not indefinitely, but
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Speaker 12: for up to two years if they are likely to
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Speaker 12: have committed a terrorism offense. So the government has only
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Speaker 12: applied for one temporary exclusion order for this cohort. We
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Speaker 12: don't know if it's one of these two people, but
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Speaker 12: at the very least there's at least one other person.
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Speaker 12: They probably could apply for that along with denying these
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Speaker 12: people passports because they've effectively repudiated their loyalty to Australia
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Speaker 12: and they presented a security risk to our country.
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Speaker 4: You did a sensational job, James, leading the way in
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Speaker 4: this issue and raising it at Senate estimates. That extraordinary
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Speaker 4: story of Tony Burke calling or having a meeting with
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Speaker 4: some of them, the group save the children members who
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Speaker 4: were representing this isis cohort, you know, making sure the
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Speaker 4: official from Home Affairs.
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Speaker 3: Was out of the room.
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Speaker 4: So there's been far from a transparent flow of information
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Speaker 4: when it comes to this, a lot of hiding from
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Speaker 4: the government. So we'll see what happens in the coming
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Speaker 4: days and the next week. James, appreciate your time.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: All right, Well, the Daily Telegraph editor Ben English has
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Speaker 4: just joined me now and he's got the front page
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Speaker 4: of tomorrow's paper with him hot off the press, Ben,
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Speaker 4: good to see.
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Speaker 3: You, great to have you here. Okay, show us.
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Speaker 13: So Degrees of Evil is a splash head down here.
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Speaker 13: I've got also a story about Louie joining the PNG
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Speaker 13: chiefs in Degrees of Evil. Well, I am too, and
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Speaker 13: it's quite a troubling story. So basically in any Sire,
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Speaker 13: which in days of past was a highly respected student
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Speaker 13: newspaper of Sydney University, has published an article that's been
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Speaker 13: authored by Celine Zau which calls for unconditional support for
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Speaker 13: several listed terrorist organizations and in fact denies that. Well,
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Speaker 13: it goes on to say that the resistance deserves our
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Speaker 13: inconditional support until victory and glory to all our martyrs
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Speaker 13: from Gadigaul to Gaza.
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Speaker 2: I could go on.
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Speaker 13: It's actually just the most repugnant of articles published under
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Speaker 13: the masthead of on his SWA.
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Speaker 4: Which is the University of Sydney newspaper. I mean, does
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Speaker 4: the University of Sydney have a responsibility here as well?
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Speaker 2: Clearly they do.
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Speaker 13: They've they've come out to us and said that they
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Speaker 13: don't condone this. Honest SWA came up with it just
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Speaker 13: a whole lot of gobbllygook saying that, oh, this is
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Speaker 13: an off branch of ho I Swar, which is our
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Speaker 13: transgender you know, sub magazine or something. I didn't understand it,
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Speaker 13: to be honest with you, and therefore we can't really
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Speaker 13: take it atorial responsibility for or I would suggest that
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Speaker 13: the editoral guidelines on is one.
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Speaker 3: You need to look at them. It's so concerning given the.
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Speaker 4: Climate that we're in at the moment, and the Telegraph
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Speaker 4: has been doing incredible reporting on this topic. You've been
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Speaker 4: really leading the way when it comes to this council
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Speaker 4: with this forum supporting the right to say globalizing into Farda.
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Speaker 3: It's happening in a council owned forum.
21:23
Speaker 4: You've really been putting the pressure on Clover more over
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Speaker 4: this so it's actually called why it's right to say
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Speaker 4: globalizing into Farda.
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Speaker 3: And they're not backing down. No, one's backing down.
21:35
Speaker 13: No, they're not backing down. And yes we've put pressure
21:38
Speaker 13: on Clover, but just as much we put pressure on
21:41
Speaker 13: Chris Mins and Anthony Albernezi and Ron Honey because the
21:44
Speaker 13: local government minister.
21:45
Speaker 2: None of them don't anything. I haven't picked up the
21:46
Speaker 2: phone and.
21:47
Speaker 13: I can tell you that tonight at the Sydney City
21:50
Speaker 13: Council meeting, a motion to debate this was gagged and
21:55
Speaker 13: just thrown out because no, only the council who put
21:58
Speaker 13: it up put up the motion. None of the rest
22:01
Speaker 13: supported having even a debate about this. It's an absolute disgrace.
22:04
Speaker 4: So that was liberal Counselor Lyndon Gannon try to move
22:07
Speaker 4: emotion saying that the council venue should not be used
22:10
Speaker 4: for this globalizing to fight a forum and none of
22:13
Speaker 4: the not another counselor would even second it.
22:15
Speaker 13: No, And so that's has gone straight through to the keeper.
22:18
Speaker 3: And how can clovermore justify this? She's the mayor of Sydney.
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Speaker 13: She can do it with impunity because she's Gerrymander the
22:25
Speaker 13: entire electorate. So she's been in power now for twenty
22:29
Speaker 13: two years, which is by far a record. Yeah, and
22:33
Speaker 13: it's because she's basically she's got all those inner city
22:36
Speaker 13: lefties who vote for her, and you know, business is
22:40
Speaker 13: basically being newted in terms of having a proper vote,
22:43
Speaker 13: and so she doesn't have to worry about being accountable.
22:46
Speaker 4: And Shana Gutnik, whose father Ruven Morrison was killed at
22:52
Speaker 4: the Bondai Kannaka attack. She's written to Clover more about this,
22:57
Speaker 4: and as far as I know, she hasn't received a reply.
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Speaker 4: She said to Clover, can we meet with you in
23:03
Speaker 4: the next seven days.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, maybe she's responded tonight, but as of me
23:09
Speaker 13: coming on air, she hadn't responded. I think I made
23:12
Speaker 13: the point the other day that I don't actually think
23:14
Speaker 13: it's an accident that it's being held where it is,
23:16
Speaker 13: which is sort of in the heart of the Jewish
23:18
Speaker 13: community in Darlinghurst, and for those who aren't from Sydney,
23:22
Speaker 13: that is a lot of Jewish people live in and
23:24
Speaker 13: around Darlinghurst, and it is just so it is so
23:28
Speaker 13: upsetting as far as I'm concerned, everyone should be standing
23:32
Speaker 13: outside there and protesting that this is taking place.
23:35
Speaker 2: I mean a little bit.
23:36
Speaker 13: One other thing, when I say in this show, is
23:38
Speaker 13: it a lot of the time the weak response is
23:42
Speaker 13: to say, oh, well, we shouldn't, we shouldn't say anything
23:45
Speaker 13: or platform it.
23:45
Speaker 2: And that's the way to sort of.
23:47
Speaker 13: Resist, is that that's actually cowardly. We need to be loud,
23:51
Speaker 13: loudly objecting to these sort of things. And that's what
23:54
Speaker 13: I think our role is.
23:55
Speaker 14: Its paper.
23:56
Speaker 4: We know that Zionists were refer I'll start that again.
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Speaker 4: The police statement of facts against the alleged Bondai shooter
24:05
Speaker 4: includes the word Zionists as a something that was mentioned
24:09
Speaker 4: in the videos they recorded. So we know that encouraging
24:15
Speaker 4: hatred towards Zionists is an issue. We know that calls
24:18
Speaker 4: to globalize the divider are own issue. I thought this
24:21
Speaker 4: sort of people, that Bondai might be a wake up call,
24:26
Speaker 4: but it hasn't been.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I feel naive too. I thought the same thing,
24:30
Speaker 13: and it's clear they've just been biding their time and
24:33
Speaker 13: now they're expressing their hatred with you know, with greater freedom.
24:37
Speaker 4: Another example on the front page of the Australian today,
24:40
Speaker 4: a Bondai Beach benefit concert for the victims of the
24:43
Speaker 4: terror attacks has been canceled because some members of the
24:46
Speaker 4: Australian Hellenic Choir didn't want to perform with the Jewish.
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Speaker 13: Choir and as one of the members who from the
24:53
Speaker 13: Hellenic Choir said, unfortunately in our community there's some anti
24:56
Speaker 13: Semitism and it's expressed itself here. There was also apparently
25:01
Speaker 13: they were also scared that there might be reprisals against
25:03
Speaker 13: them for doing so, but what an indictment of our
25:07
Speaker 13: society that this what a wonderful initiative can't go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really worrying.
25:13
Speaker 4: And you know, we've got the Royal Commission at the moment,
25:16
Speaker 4: we've had high profile people speaking out. We've seen what
25:21
Speaker 4: can happen. But these examples front page of your paper tomorrow,
25:27
Speaker 4: the clover More thing, this Bondo bitch concident just tells
25:30
Speaker 4: me that you know, it's not really improving.
25:33
Speaker 2: It's not improving.
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Speaker 13: And you know, you let off your program talking about
25:37
Speaker 13: what was going on in the States and how language
25:39
Speaker 13: there has led to dyre like tragic and horrific consequences
25:44
Speaker 13: and we've seen it here on our shores on December fourteenth.
25:48
Speaker 13: When are people going to learn that language leads to violence?
25:52
Speaker 4: The Premier Christmins has said that so many times starts
25:55
Speaker 4: with rehtoric and then it escalates because because it becomes normalized.
26:01
Speaker 4: And then Ben, thank you so much for being here.
26:03
Speaker 4: Can't wait to read the paper tomorrow and the story
26:05
Speaker 4: will be tonight online as well.
26:07
Speaker 3: It will Yeah, thank you so much.
26:10
Speaker 4: All right, Well, the alleged Washington Hilton shooter has now
26:13
Speaker 4: been charged with attempting to assassinate President Trump. Cole Allen
26:17
Speaker 4: now faces life in prison, with prosecutors alleging he sent
26:21
Speaker 4: a manifesto to family moments before the attack. Sky News
26:25
Speaker 4: Washington correspondent Jonathan Cursley, who was in the room that night,
26:28
Speaker 4: joins me live now, Jonathan, thanks for your time. So
26:32
Speaker 4: what are prosecutor's alleging about his plan?
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Speaker 1: This was fascinating detail that emerged in court yesterday US time.
26:42
Speaker 1: It was very early in the morning Australian time that
26:44
Speaker 1: thirty one year old Cole Thomas Allen from the Torrents
26:47
Speaker 1: area of Los Angeles, California, fronted a federal court for
26:51
Speaker 1: the first time. They detailed through the charge documents that
26:55
Speaker 1: outlined he was going to be charged with an attempt
26:58
Speaker 1: to assassinate the president of the United States of America,
27:02
Speaker 1: various planning that he booked the hotel room at the
27:05
Speaker 1: Hilton Hotel where he was going to stay in early April.
27:09
Speaker 1: He checked in the day before. He'd made his way
27:13
Speaker 1: via train allegedly from Los Angeles to Chicago and then
27:16
Speaker 1: into Washington, DC. The firearms, which was a pump action
27:22
Speaker 1: shotgun twelve gauge pump action shotgun, was purchased back in
27:25
Speaker 1: August of twenty twenty five, and a handgun he had
27:29
Speaker 1: was brought back in.
27:30
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three.
27:32
Speaker 1: What prosecutors were trying to show by outlining the dates
27:36
Speaker 1: he booked the hotel room was an intent on planning
27:39
Speaker 1: around all of this, around the suspect Cole Allen, having
27:44
Speaker 1: a mission in mind to assassinate not only the President
27:47
Speaker 1: of the United States of America but other key cabinet
27:50
Speaker 1: members in the room. He was dressed in a blue
27:53
Speaker 1: prison outfit as he sat in front of the.
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Speaker 2: Judge inside the federal courtroom.
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Speaker 1: He spoke softly, was very simple, yes, no answers before
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Speaker 1: he was taken away to custody.
28:04
Speaker 2: He's going to front court later again this week, Shari.
28:06
Speaker 1: He's still trying to get release on bail essentially until
28:09
Speaker 1: a trial date.
28:11
Speaker 2: But the situation you've got.
28:12
Speaker 1: Right now is that this is now the third attempt
28:16
Speaker 1: on the life of the US President.
28:19
Speaker 4: We saw Carolyn Levitt and the president as well, pretty
28:23
Speaker 4: fired up today our time, yesterday, your time about the
28:28
Speaker 4: sort of rehetoric coming out of the left, Jimmy Kimmel
28:31
Speaker 4: one example.
28:32
Speaker 3: So this assassination attempt might turn.
28:35
Speaker 4: Into a bit of a part is an issue.
28:41
Speaker 1: Well, yes, but you would also have thought that about
28:44
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Butler Pennsylvania assassination two, when the
28:47
Speaker 1: same ideas around angry words from the left referring to
28:51
Speaker 1: people as Nazis and from the Third Reich and talking
28:55
Speaker 1: about those sorts of names and words and ideas being
28:59
Speaker 1: pushed from the left was going to essentially lead to
29:03
Speaker 1: something like this. We heard those same ideas back in
29:06
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four in the wake of Butler Pennsylvania. I
29:09
Speaker 1: was there in that town in the hours after that shooting,
29:12
Speaker 1: and remember just how eerie that.
29:14
Speaker 2: Whole situation was there.
29:15
Speaker 1: But the situation you've got now is we've heard once again, Yes,
29:18
Speaker 1: Caroline Levitt yesterday, who's now had been due to go
29:22
Speaker 1: on maternity leave, she delayed a little bit to come
29:24
Speaker 1: back and speak yesterday, was talking about what she called
29:27
Speaker 1: a left wing cult of hatred. We heard similar ideas
29:30
Speaker 1: from the Acting Attorney General Todd Blantch yesterday when he
29:33
Speaker 1: was addressing the press after Cole Allen front at court,
29:37
Speaker 1: suggesting that it was left wing media, that it was
29:41
Speaker 1: left wing political figures who were pushing ideas of hate
29:44
Speaker 1: that were responsible for.
29:46
Speaker 2: A rise in political violence.
29:49
Speaker 1: There has been strong words though from senior political figures
29:53
Speaker 1: on both sides over the course of over the course
29:56
Speaker 1: of the years in the United States that the political
29:59
Speaker 1: vitriol in the United States has got to.
30:01
Speaker 2: A very very difficult level.
30:04
Speaker 1: And we heard from Tom Blanze yesterday that right now
30:07
Speaker 1: they are sitting in a very dangerous threat environment.
30:12
Speaker 2: FBI Director Cash Pettel says that they are constantly looking
30:16
Speaker 2: into threats.
30:17
Speaker 1: And the Jimmy Kimmel comment you mentioned Sharhi, obviously, he
30:21
Speaker 1: was referring to Milania Trump as having a glow like
30:25
Speaker 1: an expectant widow. Even some of the people who were
30:28
Speaker 1: attending his show yesterday didn't think that that was the
30:30
Speaker 1: wisest of things to say, so unsurprisingly it's led to
30:34
Speaker 1: Donald Trump calling for him to be fired. Milania Trump
30:37
Speaker 1: making a very rare public statement to say, essentially likewise,
30:42
Speaker 1: that she was disgusted by the statement, particularly given what
30:46
Speaker 1: happened on the Saturday night Washington time at be washing
30:50
Speaker 1: the White House correspondence with the attempt at shooting.
30:53
Speaker 2: By Cole Thomas Allen.
30:54
Speaker 1: But then last night we hear Jimmy Kimmell essentially defend
30:56
Speaker 1: himself and hit Pack saying, you know that he was
30:59
Speaker 1: never expecting something like that, that it was a lighthearted joke.
31:02
Speaker 1: He was referring to the president's age. Well, clearly he
31:05
Speaker 1: was referring to the president's age. But I think referring
31:07
Speaker 1: to anybody is having a glow like an expectant widow
31:10
Speaker 1: is probably not the wisest of things to be going
31:12
Speaker 1: out and saying.
31:13
Speaker 4: Publicly, absolutely, especially when they've already been assassination attempts on
31:17
Speaker 4: the president. Just finally, Jonathan Trump has finally named his
31:21
Speaker 4: pick for United States Ambassador to Australia.
31:23
Speaker 3: Fifteen months it took.
31:25
Speaker 4: It's a former Republican congressman, David Bratt. Now what do
31:29
Speaker 4: we know about him? And also I thought it was
31:32
Speaker 4: funny there was a line in the Cidny Morning Herald
31:34
Speaker 4: that Trump had some difficulty finding someone who.
31:37
Speaker 3: Was happy to live in Canberra.
31:38
Speaker 4: Well, I don't blame them.
31:45
Speaker 2: Oh, Camera is a beautiful part of the world.
31:47
Speaker 1: It's sunny in summer, it's chilly in winter.
31:50
Speaker 2: The ski fields are an hour away. Okay, enough about
31:53
Speaker 2: the tourism for Camera.
31:55
Speaker 1: But look, clearly he's found sixty one year old David
31:58
Speaker 1: Bratt bra is is a conservative politician, if you like,
32:02
Speaker 1: now moving into an area of being a diplomatic servet.
32:05
Speaker 1: A couple of terms in Congress, representing a district in Virginia,
32:08
Speaker 1: probably most well known for his twenty fourteen primary victory,
32:12
Speaker 1: ousting the then Republican House Leader at a time obviously
32:17
Speaker 1: when they were in the throes of moving towards the
32:20
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen presidential election campaign. Obviously Barack Obama still president
32:25
Speaker 1: of the United States at that stage, but Bratt was
32:28
Speaker 1: also a member of the Tea Party movement, a very
32:30
Speaker 1: conservative member of the Republican Party. He'd often viewed his
32:34
Speaker 1: opponent in the twenty fourteen primary as somebody who wasn't
32:36
Speaker 1: conservative enough, and that at that time, given the political
32:40
Speaker 1: shiftings that were happening here in the United States, particularly
32:42
Speaker 1: around the Tea Party movement, well that was a very
32:45
Speaker 1: strong move for him, and Bratt became a congressman, part
32:50
Speaker 1: of the Freedom Caucus here in the United States. He
32:52
Speaker 1: eventually actually lost his congressional district in Virginia to the
32:57
Speaker 1: woman who is now the governor of the very state
33:00
Speaker 1: Democrat who was now the governor of the state of Virginia.
33:03
Speaker 1: So things have changed a little bit for him. But yes,
33:05
Speaker 1: President Trump has finally found a way to appoint somebody
33:08
Speaker 1: who wants to go and live in Canberra will be
33:10
Speaker 1: happy in the job. He told the City Morning Herald.
33:13
Speaker 1: I think earlier last year that he wanted somebody that
33:17
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi could like. So hopefully the Australian Prime Minister
33:21
Speaker 1: can like David Bratt. I think he said a couple
33:24
Speaker 1: of hours ago he was willing to work with anybody.
33:26
Speaker 2: But there it is conservative sixty one year old David Bratt.
33:29
Speaker 1: You'll go and find himself a nice little residence on
33:32
Speaker 1: the top of the hill up there in Canberra, just
33:34
Speaker 1: off to the eastern side of Parliament House at the
33:36
Speaker 1: US Embassy.
33:38
Speaker 2: Beautiful for you to look at it from up there.
33:39
Speaker 4: So yeah, it is, it is, and it is nice.
33:41
Speaker 4: I've lived in cambrid twice. It was lovely.
33:44
Speaker 3: Just I wouldn't want to be there now with the
33:46
Speaker 3: Albanezi government. That's all.
33:47
Speaker 4: Jonathan, good to see you, Thanks for your time. All right,
33:51
Speaker 4: coming up isis Brides will get the latest and Ben
33:53
Speaker 4: Robert Smith's girlfriend Coles Andrew Hasty a traitor. Camerra Milner
33:59
Speaker 4: joins me after break Ben Robert Smith's girlfriend, Sarah Matchullan
34:06
Speaker 4: has apologized after calling Liberal MP Andrew Hasty a traitor
34:11
Speaker 4: under his Ansac Day post. Hasty gave evidence against Robert
34:15
Speaker 4: Smith in the defamation trial, and here he was on
34:18
Speaker 4: first edition.
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Speaker 11: Do you regret anything said or done in the case
34:22
Speaker 11: against Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 1: I've been very careful about what I've said when I've
34:28
Speaker 1: had to give testimony. I've done it under oath and
34:32
Speaker 1: again that's all i have to say.
34:37
Speaker 4: And Joiny Minow is former Labor State Secretary and former
34:40
Speaker 4: chief of staff for Shortened Camera Milner Cameron.
34:43
Speaker 3: Great to see you again.
34:44
Speaker 4: Look is this saga because there's a lot of Australians
34:48
Speaker 4: really in Ben Robert Smith's corner. So is this saga
34:51
Speaker 4: do you think going to damage Andrew Hasty's leadership ambitions?
34:56
Speaker 15: Well, I think it can and I think you know,
34:58
Speaker 15: there's a lot of obviously just raw remo from Ben
35:00
Speaker 15: Robert Smith's partner saying what she did, and she obviously
35:03
Speaker 15: withdrew what she had to say. But the risk for
35:04
Speaker 15: Hasty is he'll stand against so many Australians who want
35:07
Speaker 15: to stand with Ben Robert Smith, who who feel appalled
35:10
Speaker 15: that he's taken off a plane in front of his children,
35:12
Speaker 15: appalled that five potential murderers other prosecutions witnesses against him.
35:18
Speaker 15: I mean, you know, they're hardly character references for people
35:20
Speaker 15: who want to put someone who is a true war
35:22
Speaker 15: hero and a Victoria Cross recipient behind bars. I mean, so,
35:26
Speaker 15: I think it doesn't sit well with a lot of Australians.
35:29
Speaker 15: Is this situation and if you want to be a
35:30
Speaker 15: witness for the prosecution and one line up with people
35:33
Speaker 15: who potentially murderers who've got immunity from the federal government,
35:36
Speaker 15: and Andrew Hasty wants to sit alongside them as a
35:38
Speaker 15: witness against Ben Robert Smith, Well, I think that's going
35:40
Speaker 15: to have a political consequence.
35:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of Australians are uncomfortable with it.
35:46
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about the Fergil budget now
35:48
Speaker 4: coming up in a couple of weeks. A couple of
35:51
Speaker 4: the key players you've written trying to show their leadership
35:54
Speaker 4: credentials here.
35:57
Speaker 15: Look they are, and I mean the budgets obviously always
36:00
Speaker 15: the Treasurer's time to shine and Jim has tried over
36:03
Speaker 15: the last few budges to be a real reformer, only
36:05
Speaker 15: to be cut off at the knees by a weak
36:07
Speaker 15: Albanese you know who always always chickens out when it
36:09
Speaker 15: comes to hard decision. But no, the situation is that
36:12
Speaker 15: is that Charmers will actually have these tax changes I
36:14
Speaker 15: think of capital gains and potentially negative gearing as well,
36:17
Speaker 15: which are big changes, and out of nowhere comes this
36:20
Speaker 15: huge NDIS reform which has blown any of those savings
36:23
Speaker 15: out of the water, because because Mark Butler has put
36:26
Speaker 15: his leadership credentials out there as a big reformer as well,
36:29
Speaker 15: having obviously suggested some changes to the NDIS of billions
36:33
Speaker 15: and billions of dollars.
36:34
Speaker 2: So I think the race is on now.
36:35
Speaker 15: I mean, the Labor Party's finally thinking about life after Albow,
36:39
Speaker 15: and the leadership contenders are out there. Charmers was already there,
36:42
Speaker 15: but Butler's now certainly put his name.
36:43
Speaker 2: In the race.
36:44
Speaker 3: But Albo is not going anywhere.
36:45
Speaker 4: I mean, he probably wants to be the longest serving
36:48
Speaker 4: Labor prime minister. Doesn't need to want to beat well
36:52
Speaker 4: how long was Bob Hawk PM four?
36:54
Speaker 3: That was what nine is, But isn't it?
36:59
Speaker 15: Isn't this the problem with album? It's all about time served,
37:01
Speaker 15: not serving well and that's the problem with the government
37:05
Speaker 15: and it's why it's encouraging that labor finally, finally, because
37:08
Speaker 15: normally with these leadership things, it's all gets shut down,
37:10
Speaker 15: gets hushed up, you know, the person's person gets come
37:13
Speaker 15: as it comes.
37:13
Speaker 2: Out and says I never meant any of that.
37:15
Speaker 15: No, it's been a week and Butler's still got these
37:17
Speaker 15: leadship credentials out there, still saying he wants to be
37:19
Speaker 15: Prime Minister, and that sets the starter's gun for all
37:21
Speaker 15: the other competitors out there who don't now be out
37:24
Speaker 15: maneuvered in front of caucus and in front of the
37:26
Speaker 15: unions and everyone else. So album might be PM, but
37:29
Speaker 15: there's a race to a place in now on that's interesting.
37:32
Speaker 4: And look, Butler, it was impressive, of course his announcement
37:36
Speaker 4: on the ndis, but I think you need to raise
37:39
Speaker 4: his profile probably a bit, if he wants to be
37:41
Speaker 4: a contender. Our position leader Angus Taylor today pledged an
37:44
Speaker 4: eight hundred million dollar plan to double Australia's minimum fuel
37:49
Speaker 4: reserves from thirty.
37:51
Speaker 3: Days to sixty days.
37:52
Speaker 4: Now, this is a very popular idea, Cameron, do you
37:55
Speaker 4: think Albanezy will have to look at matching this.
38:00
Speaker 7: Well?
38:00
Speaker 15: I mean we should be at ninety days. I mean
38:01
Speaker 15: then I forget sixty days. I mean it should be
38:03
Speaker 15: ninety days. That's what we actually should do for our
38:05
Speaker 15: own national fuel security. So look, any move to be
38:08
Speaker 15: more secure is a good idea, and absolutely I think
38:11
Speaker 15: Albanese will have to match it otherwise as the situation
38:14
Speaker 15: gets worse and worse, and if we get to fuel
38:15
Speaker 15: rationing in our country, it'll be an absolute full blown
38:18
Speaker 15: political crisis, full blown political crisis, because no other country
38:21
Speaker 15: in Southeast Asia is underprepared as Australia has been under
38:25
Speaker 15: Albanese with thirty days fuel. So sixty days is a
38:28
Speaker 15: good start, but still not enough.
38:31
Speaker 4: Look, I've just while we're on the phone, while we're talking,
38:35
Speaker 4: I've just googled exactly how long Bob Polk was Prime
38:37
Speaker 4: minister for eight years, nine months and nine days. Just
38:41
Speaker 4: so if Albaneze wins the next election, which of course
38:45
Speaker 4: he's going to, that'll mean he would have been prime
38:49
Speaker 4: minister already for six years, so he'd only have to
38:52
Speaker 4: hang on another two years exactly. Well, beat Bob Hawk,
39:01
Speaker 4: I mean, if he wanted to do that, do you
39:03
Speaker 4: think that's what he wants?
39:05
Speaker 15: Oh, Look, as I say it's all about a plaque
39:08
Speaker 15: at the end of the day, isn't for him, and
39:09
Speaker 15: it's not about achievements. I mean, Bob Hawk was a
39:11
Speaker 15: true prime minister. He stood up for Israel, stood up
39:14
Speaker 15: for our country, was a national hero who did things
39:17
Speaker 15: when he was in government, actually got on and actually
39:20
Speaker 15: legislated the Accord and a whole of other big reforms
39:22
Speaker 15: that we still live with today and benefit from today.
39:24
Speaker 15: In terrens our economy, you will not be able to
39:26
Speaker 15: name any of that for however long elbow served, because
39:29
Speaker 15: he does nothing with the opportunity he's been given.
39:32
Speaker 4: Everything's a political calculation for him.
39:36
Speaker 3: Everything.
39:37
Speaker 4: Look, if the Iran war, absolutely, if the Iran War continues,
39:41
Speaker 4: that obviously impacts the budget. If the Strait of Homos
39:44
Speaker 4: continues to be blocked, if the government has to move
39:47
Speaker 4: to fuel rationing, which of course is on the table.
39:50
Speaker 3: It's a contingency plan. I mean, this would be a
39:52
Speaker 3: full blown.
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Speaker 15: Crisis, absolute crisis, and a complete catastrophe for this guy.
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Speaker 15: And they're already unpopular anyway. I mean, the electric's already
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Speaker 15: onto these people. They're already voting elsewhere anyway. But to
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Speaker 15: go to the humiliation of rationing for our country, who
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Speaker 15: has as much oil and gas as we do and
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Speaker 15: supposedly is looking after our fuel security interests. To let
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Speaker 15: the Middle East determine our national security and national fuel
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Speaker 15: security would be an absolute debmomination and a total disaster for
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Speaker 15: the government.
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Speaker 4: Of the day, right Camra Milna, Thank you so much,
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Speaker 4: appreciate your time as always, thank you. Coming up, Elon
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Speaker 4: Levy gives his analysis on whether and if Tarlie Bennett
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Speaker 4: and YEA Lipid pose a threat to Nada. Yahoo and
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Speaker 4: Labour says returning Isis brides could face the full force
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Speaker 4: of the law, but what does that look like? AFP
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Speaker 4: Detective Superintendent David.
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Speaker 3: Craig would join me next.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back with the Albaneze government keeps insisting it's not
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Speaker 4: repatriating Isis brides, But tonight the Australian reports that the
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Speaker 4: United States Staated Apartment, the United Nations and Red Cross
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Speaker 4: have helped secure the imminent departure of the four Isis
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Speaker 4: brides and then nine children from Syria. They're reportedly in
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Speaker 4: Damascus now after being moved from the our Roge detention camp,
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Speaker 4: and the Australians are reporting like I did earlier, tonight
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Speaker 4: that no confirmed date is there for their return, no
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Speaker 4: set time yet, but it could.
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Speaker 3: Be as early as next week. All right.
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Speaker 4: Joining me now is former AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig.
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Speaker 3: David, great to see you.
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Speaker 4: So this process not so straightforward that if the OSS
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Speaker 4: report is correct and the UN and the State Department,
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Speaker 4: the Red Cross is involved, is this then a repatriation?
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Speaker 16: Well, it seems to be that most people are helping
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Speaker 16: the repatriation, apart from the Alberanzi government. If you believe
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Speaker 16: that this is clearly a repatriation by stealth, I mean
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Speaker 16: I think they're using a little bit of trickery with
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Speaker 16: their words here. They must be a part of it,
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Speaker 16: and now if it is inevitable, then they need to
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Speaker 16: get involved so that things can be done in a
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Speaker 16: structured and secure way. We can't have people just landing
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Speaker 16: at the airport. We don't know who they are, but
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Speaker 16: we know they'll be to a terrorist zone, so there
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Speaker 16: needs to be some control taken, or at least admit.
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Speaker 2: What you're doing.
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Speaker 4: There's reports that the group are undergoing interrogations in Damascus,
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Speaker 4: but we don't know who is doing these interrogations. Are
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Speaker 4: Australian authorities there.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, these are the things we don't know shari and
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Speaker 16: we should know. There's a lot to be looked at
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Speaker 16: criminally potentially with these women coming back to Australia. The
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Speaker 16: government has made it clear that the full force of
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Speaker 16: the law will front them if they've done anything wrong,
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Speaker 16: if they have been in a declared terrorist zone, then
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Speaker 16: that's one offense, and that's probably the most appropriate and
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Speaker 16: easy offense to prove. But that's not the full offense.
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Speaker 16: That's not sorry, that's not the full force of the law.
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Speaker 16: If we're going to apply the full force of the law,
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Speaker 16: then we need to be seriously looking at the conduct
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Speaker 16: of other ISIS brides in other areas, other jurisdictions. The
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Speaker 16: German authorities, now I'll just preface this chari by saying,
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Speaker 16: I'm not saying any of these specific women have done anything,
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Speaker 16: but we need to learn from other jurisdictions. So in
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Speaker 16: Germany they've exposed some insidious behavior of Isis brides within
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Speaker 16: the caliphate. They convicted three isis brides of genocide. They've
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Speaker 16: convicted five for slop clime crimes against your Zdi slaves.
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Speaker 16: An additional five were crimes against humanity and in six
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Speaker 16: different cases. So a critical point for Australia is to
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Speaker 16: learn from the insidious nature of what occurred in the Caliphate.
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Speaker 16: It goes beyond just going there and if Isis did
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Speaker 16: anything good. If they did anything, it was they kept
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Speaker 16: good records. Now, if we want to know whether these
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Speaker 16: women were there, we can look through the slave trade
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Speaker 16: and ask other willing survivors that have given evidence in
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Speaker 16: Germany and other jurisdictions.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot more to this.
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Speaker 16: If if we're serious about war crimes, we thrown the
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Speaker 16: whole book at brs, we should do the same with
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Speaker 16: these people as well. Let's put the same resources in
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Speaker 16: and find out what actually happened.
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Speaker 4: Well, my sources are telling me that at least two
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Speaker 4: of the Isis brides are set to be arrested.
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Speaker 3: When they land.
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Speaker 4: When I told James Patterson about this earl earlier in
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Speaker 4: the show, he raised the question of in that case,
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Speaker 4: why aren't temporary.
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Speaker 3: Exclusion on is being used.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they have been used against one of the women,
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Speaker 4: but he asked, well why not the others?
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Speaker 3: What do you think about this?
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Speaker 16: Well, if they're not being used against the others, then
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Speaker 16: the government must think there's a clear path that.
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Speaker 2: If they are going.
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Speaker 16: To get charged when they arrive at the border, then
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Speaker 16: clearly there is a prima facie case to answer and
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Speaker 16: that would be enough to substantiate a temporary exclusion or
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Speaker 16: as surely it doesn't make any sense why it would
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Speaker 16: be applied to one and not the other. These people
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Speaker 16: when they come in if they have not been assessed property,
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Speaker 16: and I suspect they won't have been no matter what
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Speaker 16: sort of interrogation they're going through at the moment, they
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Speaker 16: need to come back under government control, under control orders,
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Speaker 16: so we can find out exactly who they are, who
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Speaker 16: they're going to deal with, and we need to control
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Speaker 16: their behavior.
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Speaker 4: Well, I've been following this story for a while and
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Speaker 4: I've previously reported that the Australian authorities hadn't had access
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Speaker 4: to them since around twenty twenty two, so a long
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Speaker 4: gap without knowledge about whether or not they were still
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Speaker 4: radicalized or not.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's just not an enormous.
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Speaker 4: Amount of first hand knowledge. All right, David Craig, thank
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Speaker 4: you for your time. Coming up, Mico Rubio rejects Iran's
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Speaker 4: deal and Nedinna, who suddenly has a fight on his
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Speaker 4: hands with a new coalition teaming up. Elon Levy will
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Speaker 4: be here after the break. Welcome back, and now let's
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Speaker 4: cross live to Israel, where I'm joined by farmer Israeli
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Speaker 4: government spokesperson Elon Levy.
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Speaker 3: Elon, great to see you again.
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Speaker 4: Look, this is big news in Israeli politics. Two former
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Speaker 4: prime ministers, Neftalie Bennett and Yea Laipid, who was only
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Speaker 4: briefly Prime Minister, they've now joined forces to create a
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Speaker 4: new political party. Their only real common goal is to
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Speaker 4: try and ask Benjamin nettin Yahu government at the elections
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Speaker 4: in October, how successful do you think this is going
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Speaker 4: to be?
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Speaker 14: This is shaping up to be the most faithful Israeli
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Speaker 14: election in a long time. Former Prime Minister Nadally Bennett
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Speaker 14: is hoping to pull off in Israel what Peter Madya
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Speaker 14: did in Hungary when he managed to overthrow when he
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Speaker 14: managed to overthrow Victor Auban. He is saying, who can
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Speaker 14: only be replaced by a right wing conservative leader, but
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Speaker 14: one who's committed to good governance, to the rule of law,
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Speaker 14: who's not going to continue funding small special interest groups
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Speaker 14: just in order to remain in power. And he's hoping
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Speaker 14: now to unite the whole opposition behind him and present
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Speaker 14: a serious, credible alternative to Netanyahu, Hoping that public discussed
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Speaker 14: with this government in the wake of Thehoma Souventh massacre,
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Speaker 14: and with the government's repeated efforts to let the ultra
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Speaker 14: Orthodox community off the hook from military service when everyone
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Speaker 14: here has been paying such a high price for this war,
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Speaker 14: that that discuss is going to build up the opposition
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Speaker 14: and lead them to victory.
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Speaker 4: So, just to explain that a little bit to our
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Speaker 4: Australian viewers, the ultra Orthodox Israelis aren't forced to join
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Speaker 4: the army like every single young Israeli is. So there's
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Speaker 4: been a lot of anger in Israel that mothers and
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Speaker 4: fathers have been sending their young men and women off
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Speaker 4: to fight for Israel when the ultra Orthodox don't have
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Speaker 4: to do that.
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Speaker 14: Exactly, the Orthodogs are required by law to enlist. The
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Speaker 14: Supreme Court has said there is absolutely no legal basis
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Speaker 14: for the government to let a whole community off the
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Speaker 14: hook from the shared burden of military service. But this
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Speaker 14: government has been trying to pass a law that will
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Speaker 14: let them off the hook while people are stuck in
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Speaker 14: reserve duty for hundreds of days on ends since October seventh,
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Speaker 14: and Netanyahu, together with Yalaped and the rest of the
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Speaker 14: opposition block, are hoping that they can form an alliance
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Speaker 14: of what they call the people who serve the country,
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Speaker 14: the people who serve in the army, the people who
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Speaker 14: pay the taxes, to say enough is enough. We're going
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Speaker 14: to build a better Israel, and they hope the nation
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Speaker 14: is going to get behind that vision.
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Speaker 4: I mean, of course, I should say to our view
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Speaker 4: as you've obviously got your own personal history with nedin Yaho.
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Speaker 4: You did work for him that didn't turn out so
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Speaker 4: well for various reasons, but just so they understand that
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Speaker 4: you do have your own political viewpoint when it comes.
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Speaker 3: To this issue.
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Speaker 4: Elan, I'm keen to hear what you make of Neftali
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Speaker 4: Bennetts announcements, because he was previously of the very religious part,
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Speaker 4: but now he's saying he'd allow civil marriages in transport.
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Speaker 3: On the Sabbath.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Nostali Bennett is a conservative. His views on matters of
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Speaker 14: war and peace are very hawkish and very right wing,
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Speaker 14: but he is also a liberal at hard. He believes
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Speaker 14: that Israelis should be able to formalize their love and
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Speaker 14: their unions, no matter what sex they are. Israel as
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Speaker 14: a country where the only way you can get married
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Speaker 14: is through the Rabinet, is through a religious marriage, and
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Speaker 14: it means that people who don't want or can't get
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Speaker 14: married through the Rabinet li abroad in order to get married.
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Speaker 14: And he wants to change that. He hasn't rolled out plans,
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Speaker 14: whether that means civil marriage or a civil partnership or
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Speaker 14: some other form. But absolutely this is presenting a hawkish
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Speaker 14: view on war and peace with a liberal view at
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Speaker 14: home that says, you know, we have to live and
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Speaker 14: let live and let everyone live their lives.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean it's hard to understand that doesn't happen,
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Speaker 4: because of course we have that here in Usustralia.
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Speaker 3: I just want to turn to Marco Rubio.
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Speaker 4: He's rejected Iran's latest stuff outright, saying there can't be
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Speaker 4: a deal without any nuclear concessions. But it doesn't seem
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Speaker 4: like Iran's ever going to come to the table in
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Speaker 4: giving up their nuclear ambition. So Elin, I mean, we've
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Speaker 4: got less than a minute left, but is this going
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Speaker 4: to return to a military option? Then if Iran doesn't accept.
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Speaker 14: This well, the Iranians are desperate to get out of
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Speaker 14: these nuclear talks because they know there's no possible deal
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Speaker 14: they can strike with the US. This is a fundamentalist
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Speaker 14: regime that will not give up its pursuit of nuclear weapons,
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Speaker 14: and that's why the US is putting maximum pressure on
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Speaker 14: them to do it. Now, we're watching a game of
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Speaker 14: chicken between the Iranian regime and the United States over
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Speaker 14: who controls the Strait of hor Moves and the whole
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Speaker 14: world needs to be routine for the United States to
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Speaker 14: win this because this cannot end with the Iranian regime
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Speaker 14: controlling the passage of ships through the Straight of hor Moves,
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Speaker 14: holding the whole global economy hostage at gunpoint. This has
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Speaker 14: to end with the United States very clearly imposing on
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Speaker 14: the Iranians a deal that blocks their path the nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 14: That dangerous regime can never have the most dangerous weapons
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Speaker 14: in the world.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely well, said Elon Levy. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 4: coming on the show. Has always really appreciated and I'll
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Speaker 4: see you.
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow night at eight.
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Speaker 4: I've got a couple of great guests who don't miss
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Speaker 4: the show. And here's poor Murray