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Dangerous Animals Has a Killer Twist - Xenomania 76 · Xenomania

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  Jon: This week on Xenomania, join us as we travel down under.
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  Sun, sand, surfing, sharks, and one mean serial killer await.
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  We'll explore a powerhouse acting performance from Jay Courtney,
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  effective body disposal, thumb chewing, and are shark movies
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  and slashers directly related?
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  Plus, did either of my co-hosts flash Jaws?
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  No way, right?
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  Right?
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  Right?
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  Stay tuned and find out.
• 0:42
  This is Dangerous Animals.
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  This is Xenomania.
• 1:03
  Ryan: 300 men went into the water.
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  316 men came out.
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  The shark took the rest.
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  June 29th, 1945.
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  I just wanna know the song 'cause I wanna sing the song,
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  Kearns: So
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  Ryan: I can't
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  Kearns: we told him he wasn't allowed to do it in a imitation of Quint's
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  voice because believe it or not, that was worse than what just happened.
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  But he decided to do it like a poetry slam, which makes it even better
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  Ryan: I heard the snapping in the background.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: Just guess someone
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  Kearns: It was like Mike Myers in, I Married an Axe Murderer.
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  Ryan: Marion
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  Kearns: Sharks in the water.
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  What's up, everybody?
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  It's Xenomania, and
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  Jon: Yo, yo, yo.
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  Kearns: something having to do with fishies this
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  We're not doing Jaws.
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  It's not Jaws yet.
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  That's coming up
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  Kearns: Can't wait to do Jaws.
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  But we're not gonna talk about that anymore because it just, it
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  does a disservice to this fine film that we're gonna talk about
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  Jon: Yes, sir.
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  Ryan: Doesn't.
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  Jon: This week is,
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  Ryan: Dangerous
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  Jon: yeah, dangerous animals
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  Ryan: Sorry.
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  I'm excited for this because this was a IFC gem, as I like to call it.
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  A lot of IFC movies, uh, I feel like go under the radar, now they're
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  getting the recognition more.
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  Like the remake of Maniac, um, Midnight Meat Train, all IFC movies
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  that are finally getting the spotlight
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: and this is one of them.
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  And this is more recent, which is cool, 'cause it's got that vibe of,
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  like, that early 2000s, like, feel.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: I was thinking, like, Wolf Creek especially when I was watching
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  Kearns: Oh, good call.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: see the connection there
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  Jon: Yeah, I mean, there, there's a few.
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  They're very similar villains.
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  They're both Australian.
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  Kearns: Bastards.
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Kearns: The lot of them.
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  Ryan: Australia,
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  Kearns: One of my favorite podcasts that I've ever done, besides ours, of course,
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  is with a bunch of Australian guys.
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  Stories, the true and the fictional, baby.
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  Little plug for them if you guys wanna listen to that.
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  That is a great show.
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  Um, so
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  back to the Australian guys
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  Ryan: I'll say Australians are fun.
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  I'll just
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Ryan: Having family from Australia, they are wild and they're wild,
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  Kearns: It's frontier living out there.
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  When people think of the Wild West and what
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: America, like, so appealing way back for that vibe, that
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  adventure vibe, um, Australia's still got a good amount of that
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: their untouched
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  Jon: I mean, everything in the coun- that country wants to kill you
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan: But, ugh,
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  Kearns: The country itself wants to
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  Jon: Ah, the dingo,
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  Kearns: the
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  Jon: a dingo, a dingo ate my baby, man
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  Ryan: I, I have a close heart with the
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  Kearns: I think Naomi Watts was full of shit
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  Ryan: school
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  Kearns: personally, but you get that joke, we can be friends.
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  But yeah, so, uh, by the way, just an aside before we move
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  on, I watched Wolf Creek in a La Quinta Inn in Batavia, New York.
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  I think I got it from like the dollar bin in Walmart or whatever it was, the $5 bin
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: and that was like part of my only entertainment for that
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  weekend, and I was very impressed.
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  I also saw The Hills Have Eyes in that same weekend, and that was another…
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  I found I liked Wolf Creek better, but
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Ryan: Creek's got a good, good pace, good villain, and it's just
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  like Dangerous Animals, right?
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  You get the opening, benevolent, um, villain.
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  He was… he was, he was benevolent.
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  Kearns: No, he was benevolent
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  Ryan: this.
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  Jon: hmm
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  Ryan: he's very benevolent.
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  He's very, like, welcoming, open,
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  Jon: He's,
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  Kearns: s-
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  Jon: he's welcoming in a sort of sinister way though, because you're never,
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  Ryan: Yes
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  Jon: you're never at peace with that character.
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  Even, even in the beginning when he's talking to Greg and Heather and he's
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  taking them out on the tour, he's… Like, everything he said and says
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  has that tinge of evil undertones.
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  Like, "Oh, yeah, it's gonna be great.
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  You're gonna dive with the shark.
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  Nothing bad's gonna happen." Like, that, you know, those kinds of
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  lines, and he's al- like, always, like, right on that edge of, boy,
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  is he making jokes or is he a creep?
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  Ryan: I feel like that's Jai Courtney though, 'cause he's just
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  like… First off, Jai Courtney, uh, Captain Boomerang in The Squad, both
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  Kearns: Can't say the S word.
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  Gotta self-monitor, brother
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  Ryan: Hold on.
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  Hold on.
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  Jon: How do you say the name of that movie?
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  Kearns: And the self-offing squad
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  Ryan: No, no, no, I got a
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  Jon: That sounds like, that sounds like the, the adult version
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  Kearns: Yeah, might be.
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  Ryan: So Jay Courtney, Ta- Skinamax?
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  Uh, Task Force X. go for the original comic book name.
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  In both of those movies, you can see his acting prowess really come out.
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  He's done other roles, but just his facial expressions, which, like, even though
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  he's benevolent or seemingly benevolent, you can see the craziness in his eyes
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: out of his head and just his motions.
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  It's very jittery.
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  It's very antagonistic.
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  Jon: th- I think,
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  Ryan: And it's not…
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  Jon: no, finish it 'cause I'm going back to…
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  Ryan: was, I was, I was gonna say it's not hidden.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Ryan: Like, how his acting is, he's not hiding the fact that he's a bad guy.
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  You know, he's very open, and it starts even how he treats his,
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  um, the guy who's running the boat
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Ryan: he treats him, how he treats the dog, his interactions with
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  the, the first two tourists.
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  Like, you just see it
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  Jon: Yeah, I, I think my favorite Jake Courtney role before this that I didn't
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  r- remember was him, is he's John McClane's son in A Good Day to Die Hard.
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  Kearns: Oh, no way.
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  Cool.
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  That is a great callback right there.
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  Ryan: That's… Oh,
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  Kearns: Does he know what's going on with his dad?
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  Ryan: He's on
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  Kearns: Not, it's not good right
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  Jon: Oh, it's no good.
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  Kearns: No wonder he's so mad.
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  Jon: But like,
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  Kearns: Ugh,
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  Jon: he snuck into a bunch of franchises.
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  Like, he got in the DC Universe, he got in the Die Hard world.
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  He was in one of the t- the really bad late Terminator sequels.
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  He was in Genesis, Terminator Genesis
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  that
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  I think it's the one where the robot, um, is… Like, the, is
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  that the one with Batman in it?
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  Ryan: No.
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  Well, is
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  Kearns: Is it Genesis that's that one?
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  Jon: Oh.
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  Kearns: is the one with the female liquid metal, but also
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: That's Salvation.
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  And Salvation was good.
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  I think Genesis was bad,
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: the Genesis was not good
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  How come I can't remember Batman's name?
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  Help me, guys.
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  Ryan: Christian
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  Kearns: Yeah, Christian Bale was in it.
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  Thank you.
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  And then they-- He's a co-lead, which is weird for Bale, the
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  other guy who's the Terminator who doesn't know he's a Terminator.
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  Spoiler alert, everybody
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  Ryan: I haven't seen it yet, man.
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  Come on
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  Kearns: Yeah, all right.
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  Sorry, guys.
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  Sorry, guys
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  Ryan: just, just to say the real Batman is Michael Keaton.
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  Christian Bale is a fake
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  Jon: I mean, Mike,
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  Kearns: gonna get into that
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  Jon: Michael Keaton is my Batman, but I'm not, I won't, I won't
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  offend Christian Bale fans.
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  He's, he was fine
• 8:19
  Kearns: point out that Michelle Pfeiffer is my Catwoman as well.
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: Anne Hathaway is a, a fine lady
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  Ryan: Zoë Kravitz
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  Kearns: Oh, sure.
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  Lenny Kravitz is my Lenny Kravitz.
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  Jon: One of the things that I, I've thought about for a long time with
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  shark movies is how close to slasher films they get, and then when,
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  Ryan: Yeah
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  Jon: when you add the element of a guy who's kind of a slasher as
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  your main antagonist, now you've really accomplished it, and
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  Dangerous Animals really does that.
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  But if you think about it, like, Jaws predates Halloween,
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  but the beats are very similar.
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  You know, you have the, the danger lurking.
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  A- as it gets closer, the score changes.
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  You have-- Like, they build… A good slasher and a good shark
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  movie build tension the same way
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  Kearns: I completely agree.
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  Uh, they're coming out of nowhere.
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  You don't see them creeping up.
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  A lot of first-person camera work is done in both the creep up.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: big connection
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Ryan: I mean, you can also say that Spielberg also borrowed
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  from, like, Black Christmas too.
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  Jon: Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah
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  Ryan: Yeah … it's an interchangeable thing with, I think, mostly shark
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  movies, Jaws as we're talking about being the biggest one, because Spielberg
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  does do that point of view shots.
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  And then when did Jaws come out?
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  '75? So three years later, you see Carpenter doing it all
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Ryan: And like you said, there's that connection
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  Jon: Yeah, and then, and then
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  Ryan: The m-
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  Jon: like once you get from Jaws to Halloween, it's an easy step to the
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  rest of the slasher genre because of how many of them are just either
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  direct rip-offs of Halloween or, you know, in some way inspired by Halloween
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  Kearns: Yeah
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  Jon: Benetti
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  Ryan: True.
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  Kearns: So Halloween is the best shark movie made.
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  It's
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: we're getting
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  Jon: Yeah, Michael Myers is the best shark ever.
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  Ryan: Holo Shark
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: you elongate the mask a little Beetlejuice
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: It's true.
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  It's true.
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  No, it's, the parallels are there.
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  Um, it seems like the, they just took the blueprint and they were like, "Water,"
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  Kearns: there
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it, it, to some extent, he, Spielberg is sort of ripping himself off
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  with Jaws and those sort of beats because he start- he does that really first in
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  Duel, which is, you know, s- not quite slasher, not, definitely not shark, but
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  it's, it's got a lot of the same elements.
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  And, you know, when you have somebody like John Williams scoring
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  so many of your movies, you're always gonna have the ability to use
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  music in that kinda suspenseful way
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  Kearns: Good point.
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  I forget how much John Williams has to do with success, and Joseph Campbell.
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  We can't forget him.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: hours, but if you don't know who Joseph Campbell is, look it up,
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  then look up how much that George Lucas and Steven Spielberg should
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  give him because, Well, he's dead, but they should give his estate.
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  I don't know.
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  So yeah, definitely the slasher-y.
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  And
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: It doesn't take the movie long to move into the realm of slasher, too.
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  John and I both definitely saw it coming when, um, and Ryan may have
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  thought he was being benevolent.
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  Maybe it surprised you a little bit more.
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  But when he decides to stick, stick, stick hubby and shove him off the
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  boat, that's when the tone shifts.
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  But you knew it was coming, and they foreshadow it a little bit
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  when they're in the cage and everything's peaceful and the music
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: nice.
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  You're like, "Oh, something
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  Jon: And,
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  Kearns: gonna
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  Jon: and you finally get Heather calmed down enough to, to be enjoying herself
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  and, you know, they come back up and they… Bruce Tucker is ready to go
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  Kearns: Yes, sir. It's funny too that they build the suspense of you thinking
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  a shark is going to be the thing, and then the dangerous animal turns out to be
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yep.
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  Ryan: a human
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  Jon: The most dangerous of animals.
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  Kearns: The most dangerous game.
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  So yeah
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  Ryan: got an interesting backstory though, Tucker.
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  Kearns: Let's hear it
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  Ryan: right before, like, he sends Greg and Heather to their… Well,
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  Greg to his demise, I should say.
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  Heather, he just throws in the brig. But he got bit by a shark when he was
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  a young kid, and by s- like, on the side, and he shows the whole teeth
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  mark, which was cool pr- I would presume practical effects on there.
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  I
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  Jon: A- apparently, apparently reading interviews with director
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  Sean Byrne, it, 80% of this movie was practical and real sharks, and like
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  Ryan: Okay
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  Jon: 20% is CGI stuff
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  Kearns: are we gonna talk about that 20% later on.
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  Oh, boy.
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  Ryan: The
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  Kearns: But
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  Ryan: that they should not have included
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  Kearns: we segue over to my favorite type of person, a gypsy type of person.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 13:22
  Kearns: girl from the United States who've decided to go to Australia,
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  has a weird van she lives out of, and
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: And that's, like,
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: herself or whatever.
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  Nobody really cares.
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  But it was neat.
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  And then
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  Jon: Yeah.
• 13:34
  Kearns: a guy, and they make it seem like she doesn't do this kind of thing all
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 13:38
  Kearns: And they, they s- you know, they bump uglies a little bit in the
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 13:41
  Kearns: 'cause that's what you do when you're
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  Jon: I, yeah, so with, with Zephyr, I think she's sorta like ne- the neo-hippie.
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  You know, she…
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: And, and Moses, the guy she hooks up with, is like, you know, rich kid.
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  Kearns: Yeah, he's a rich kid, but
• 13:59
  Jon: kid
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  Kearns: surfs.
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  He's got everything figured out,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: that kind of thing
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: He's… Does he
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  Jon: he's, he, like… So Moses, when you meet him, feels like he's gonna
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  be just such a throwaway character.
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  Like, he's just someone who's gonna have a connection to Zephyr and,
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  like, he's just gets, you know
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  Kearns: I mean, I would argue he does, he is that.
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  He's fills space
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 14:24
  Kearns: that they need to fill.
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  Like, "Where's Zephyr?"
• 14:27
  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: he gets to run around looking
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  Jon: Yeah.
• 14:30
  Ryan: Yeah, and it worked.
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  Jon: But like he, he's the,
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  Ryan: You
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  Jon: he's the kind of guy you could've offed within five minutes
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  of meeting him and, uh, most people wouldn't have ever thought about
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  like a lost possibility or, you know, what that character could have been.
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  And instead, like Sean Byrne leaves him there and Sean Byrne
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  had like-- He doesn't do a lot.
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  He does not work a lot.
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  Dangerous Animals was his first movie in 10 years.
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  Kearns: Whoa,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: somebody money
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  And the, the movie-- It's not like the movie before this was like smash hit.
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  He, he made Devil's Candy, which I've, I've talked to you guys about
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  a bit, which I really, really love.
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  Um, and he also made a movie called The Loved Ones, which I haven't seen,
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  which, uh, it sounds like borders more into the torture elements of
• 15:19
  horror that I'm not super into.
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  But I know it's, it's
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: very well-loved
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  Kearns: Okay.
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  Little S&M lovers can enjoy that film.
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  I'll,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 15:30
  Kearns: a review and see if it's for me.
• 15:32
  Jon: Yeah.
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  Like, I mean, the,
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  Ryan: The
• 15:34
  Jon: the story, the story in s- itself is pretty interesting, but it
• 15:39
  definitely goes into a lot of like, hostile type of torture stuff that,
• 15:43
  like, doesn't… It's not for me
• 15:45
  Ryan: Nah, I'm good.
• 15:47
  No hostile
• 15:48
  Jon: Oh, you know, I, if, if that, if that's what you like, that's fine.
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  I, I don't, so
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  Ryan: Yep.
• 15:53
  Agreed.
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  Agreed with that.
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  respect what, what, you know, we respect what you like, but
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  Jon: so, um, Dangerous Animals with its two, $2 million
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  budget premiered at Cannes.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It, so it, it's the first Australian movie to do so since 2014.
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  A mo- a movie c-
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  Kearns: full name?
• 16:19
  For those listeners who might not know,
• 16:21
  Jon: Oh goodness.
• 16:22
  Kearns: about Comic-Con
• 16:24
  Jon: Oh goodness.
• 16:24
  I don't, I don't know the full name of the actual festival, but the
• 16:28
  South of France Cannes Film Festival
• 16:31
  so y- so yeah, to 2014, a movie called These Final Hours premiered there, and
• 16:37
  until Dangerous Animals, no Australian movie had premiered at Cannes.
• 16:43
  And it's also, I, I find this to be maybe even more interesting, it's the first
• 16:49
  shark movie to ever play at the festival
• 16:53
  Kearns: I mean, that makes sense.
• 16:54
  That's kind of
• 16:55
  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:56
  Kearns: movie came out besides the one with Blake Lively
• 16:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 17:00
  Ryan: Well,
• 17:00
  Kearns: nobody saw?
• 17:02
  Ryan: maybe like a documentary or something you would think Premiere
• 17:05
  Jon: I don't… But I,
• 17:06
  Ryan: They do
• 17:06
  Jon: I…
• 17:06
  Ryan: that sometimes
• 17:07
  Jon: Yeah, I don't know that I… Like, I'm not super familiar with, like, the
• 17:12
  programming for that festival, but I don't, I don't remember s- ever hearing
• 17:17
  about a ton of documentaries there
• 17:20
  Ryan: Like one or a few,
• 17:21
  Jon: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Ryan: like it's not like Sundance level
• 17:24
  Jon: Yeah, no
• 17:25
  Kearns: I think that the fact that this did well at Cannes and, um, the fact that
• 17:30
  enough buzz was generated about it, I feel like this movie would've been pretty well
• 17:36
  unspoken of besides people who enjoy the genre and things like that 10 years ago.
• 17:42
  I, the f- I think it's a great movie.
• 17:44
  I- well, great might be a strong word.
• 17:45
  I really enjoyed it, though, for, and it, it's gonna be one of those
• 17:48
  conversations for what it is.
• 17:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 17:50
  Kearns: It's not trying to be something it's not either.
• 17:52
  It's very good at what it is, and the fact that people are talking about it brings
• 17:56
  up the idea to me again that I think the world is a little starved for content.
• 18:01
  Jon: Oh.
• 18:01
  Kearns: a bit of a new idea.
• 18:03
  Jon: Yeah
• 18:03
  Kearns: It's not a rehash.
• 18:04
  It's not a series or whatever, a franchise, and there's not
• 18:09
  a lot of that out right now
• 18:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 18:12
  Ryan: You need those, like, these movies where it's just
• 18:15
  like a one and done, 'cause it keeps, like, people wanting more.
• 18:19
  They wanna see, like, what's next for the director, what's
• 18:21
  next in the genre coming out.
• 18:24
  I feel like sometimes, yes, a franchise can work.
• 18:28
  Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, but there's some
• 18:31
  cases where they just don't work and it just, everything gets watered
• 18:34
  Jon: Now,
• 18:35
  Kearns: Yeah
• 18:35
  Jon: yeah, I mean, I mean, but even with the franchises you
• 18:39
  mentioned, they get watered down.
• 18:41
  Like
• 18:42
  Kearns: Later on
• 18:43
  Jon: you go Halloween one and then before long you have Thorn Cults
• 18:48
  and Paul Rudd and like all thi- all this other stuff going on.
• 18:52
  Ryan: my colt.
• 18:54
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Ryan: with my
• 18:54
  Jon: It,
• 18:55
  Ryan: the thorn
• 18:56
  Jon: it, I think it's probably very difficult to keep something like
• 19:01
  that at a high level over that-
• 19:04
  Kearns: can't, and I don't think that they should destroy
• 19:06
  good work by being money-hungry
• 19:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:09
  Kearns: We're gonna leave that word
• 19:10
  Jon: Yeah, and, and i- and if, if you look at a lot of the franchises you
• 19:14
  mentioned, they started really well.
• 19:16
  The first Halloween is a classic.
• 19:19
  The f- the first couple Friday the 13ths are really well-made movies.
• 19:24
  Um, The Nightmare on Elm Streets are good for about three movies, and
• 19:29
  then they start to… Four is okay.
• 19:32
  Four is okay, but four sort of starts, is, four is y- you see
• 19:37
  the cracks that are coming.
• 19:39
  But like the,
• 19:40
  Ryan: agree with that
• 19:41
  Jon: you know, that it's hard to k- Like when you have, when you've
• 19:45
  created these iconic characters and you have to keep them going that way,
• 19:50
  uh, you know, you sort of run out of things that you can do with them.
• 19:55
  And
• 19:55
  Ryan: true.
• 19:56
  Jon: only, so many babysitters Michael Myers can take out
• 20:01
  Ryan: no, you're
• 20:02
  Jon: so one of you guys was, wanted to ask what's scarier, being
• 20:07
  kidnapped or attacked by a shark?
• 20:10
  Kearns: Have we considered land sharks?
• 20:13
  What about kidnapping land sharks?
• 20:16
  Jon: Jimmy Buffets?
• 20:17
  Kearns: Then it's both.
• 20:18
  Jimmy Buffet
• 20:19
  Ryan: shut
• 20:20
  Kearns: right, we're cutting the episode.
• 20:21
  It's not getting any better than Jimmy Buffet.
• 20:25
  Ah, that's a… All right, so being kidnapped or… Is this like when
• 20:28
  women ask the question, um, "Would you rather be stuck with a man or a bear?"
• 20:34
  Jon: I mean, it's,
• 20:35
  Ryan: Yes
• 20:35
  Jon: it's kind of, but, um, so I'll, I'll, I'll throw a little
• 20:39
  addition into being kidnapped.
• 20:41
  Being kidnapped by a serial killer or attacked by sharks
• 20:46
  Kearns: Okay.
• 20:48
  All right
• 20:49
  Jon: Why?
• 20:50
  Why attacked by sharks?
• 20:52
  Ryan: I feel like you can at least there's a chance, there's
• 20:56
  a chance to escape, right?
• 20:58
  Maybe there's a boat coming by, jump on the boat, wave down, shoot a flare.
• 21:02
  All right.
• 21:03
  If you're kidnapped by a serial killer,
• 21:06
  bad things, you know, you're willing to, you know, maybe take an appendage
• 21:12
  off to get out of the restraints.
• 21:14
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 21:14
  Ryan: You know, that was
• 21:17
  Jon: Yeah.
• 21:18
  Ryan: I just saw that and
• 21:18
  Jon: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Ryan: but I wouldn't want to be kidnapped by a serial killer.
• 21:22
  I like, no, I can just imagine the dungeon
• 21:26
  Kearns: but
• 21:27
  Ryan: style.
• 21:27
  Kearns: you rather be attacked by sharks than get kidnapped by a serial killer?
• 21:32
  Ryan: Yes.
• 21:34
  Kearns: Yes.
• 21:34
  Ryan: uh, it'd be painless too.
• 21:37
  Kearns: Oh, so in both scenarios we're, we're done.
• 21:40
  Uh
• 21:40
  Jon: yeah.
• 21:41
  I mean, you're…
• 21:41
  Ryan: what I, that's what I'm figuring out now.
• 21:43
  Kearns: So that's the question is how would you rather meet Cher Maker?
• 21:47
  Jon: I, I mean, I th- I th- I think ultimately that's really the question
• 21:51
  we're getting to is wh- which, which is your, uh, your choice.
• 21:56
  I mean, 'cause I've seen, I've seen and listened to…
• 22:00
  Kearns: on fighting.
• 22:02
  Jon: Okay, go- you can,
• 22:03
  Ryan: That's
• 22:03
  Jon: do that.
• 22:04
  Yeah, go.
• 22:05
  Dude, go with that.
• 22:06
  Kearns: win, but g- you can try.
• 22:08
  But that's the thing is that sharks have always terrified me,
• 22:11
  and the ocean still does too, 'cause you're not in your element.
• 22:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:15
  Kearns: It-- What-- If it, was tuned to get you, which it's not, which
• 22:20
  is even more terrifying to think about, you would have zero shot.
• 22:25
  Jon: Uh-huh
• 22:25
  Kearns: Zero shot.
• 22:26
  N- There's nothing you can do.
• 22:27
  But as-- at least if you're kidnapped and somebody's gonna… There are
• 22:31
  beats along the way where you might be able to escape or fight back.
• 22:35
  You've got a chance 'cause you're on, you know, g- the ground,
• 22:37
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:38
  Kearns: and there's things that might be in your favor.
• 22:40
  So I think you have more of a chance against the serial killer person
• 22:44
  Jon: Okay
• 22:44
  Kearns: were just being attacked by six bull sharks in the middle of the ocean.
• 22:48
  You're just done.
• 22:51
  Jon: Fair.
• 22:52
  I, I'm gonna say the sharks.
• 22:54
  I would, I would much rather try to handle the sharks because I've
• 22:57
  listened and watched enough true crime, enough serial killer stuff to know
• 23:02
  how inventive that winds up being.
• 23:05
  And like I would much rather take my chance with a couple
• 23:08
  sharks than with Dahmer.
• 23:11
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Jon: You know, I,
• 23:12
  Kearns: a fair point
• 23:13
  Jon: I'm not, I'm not terribly interested in ultimately being a human being's food
• 23:18
  And,
• 23:18
  Ryan: they're shark
• 23:19
  Jon: and, a- and, and also, I mean, I- a lot of the times the shark,
• 23:23
  it's just, "Oh, I'm gonna come up and take a quick bite because you look
• 23:27
  like food," and then it's, that's it.
• 23:31
  Kearns: other times.
• 23:32
  Jon: That's it
• 23:32
  Kearns: you ever see the dude in Egypt?
• 23:35
  This was, like, 2020.
• 23:36
  That was one of the hardest videos I've ever seen on the internet.
• 23:39
  Jon: Yeah, that one was rough.
• 23:41
  That was,
• 23:41
  Kearns: was worse than any of those.
• 23:43
  Jon: was, that was rough
• 23:46
  Ryan: That did not go on my radar.
• 23:48
  Kearns: So that was, you were witnessing
• 23:49
  Jon: you missed that one?
• 23:50
  Kearns: a shark actively feeding on a person.
• 23:53
  Like, it was intending to eat him, and it, it did a pretty good job of
• 23:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Yeah.
• 23:59
  Ryan: Hmm.
• 23:59
  Jon: Yeah
• 24:00
  Kearns: was way more off-putting than anything in this movie,
• 24:02
  I can tell you that much
• 24:02
  Jon: Yeah.
• 24:04
  It's way, it's worse than anything you see in any movie because it's real.
• 24:09
  Kearns: It's
• 24:09
  Jon: You can't-
• 24:10
  Kearns: Brian, if you, if you don't have to watch it, I wouldn't,
• 24:13
  'cause it's, it's one of those things that stays with you forever
• 24:17
  Ryan: I'm shocked that went over my radar during that
• 24:20
  Jon: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Ryan: talking 2020 COVID
• 24:22
  Jon: I think
• 24:23
  Ryan: Like stuck
• 24:23
  Kearns: And then maybe a little po-- actually, no, it was a little later
• 24:25
  'cause I remember everybody didn't care 'cause the dude was Russian
• 24:28
  and Russia had just invaded Ukraine.
• 24:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 24:32
  Kearns: And he was, like, one of the dudes who ran away from Russia, ran away.
• 24:35
  He was on a vacation in Egypt, but he ran away to not get conscripted was the idea.
• 24:40
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 24:42
  Kearns: Then he got conscripted by a tiger shark instead
• 24:45
  Jon: But thi- this also sort of flows into something else I w- I thought we
• 24:50
  should bring up, and that's how, how sharks have become vilified in, in movies
• 24:57
  and pop culture, and, you know, really sort of unintentionally goes back to Jaws
• 25:06
  Kearns: Is that the first example of a movie, a mainstream movie where
• 25:10
  the shark is used as the scary thing?
• 25:13
  Jon: Pretty much.
• 25:14
  Like, I,
• 25:15
  Kearns: Yeah, it must be there
• 25:16
  Jon: I mean, I, I, there, there has to have been sharks in movies before that,
• 25:21
  but, like, "Jaws" is the big scary.
• 25:23
  And "Jaws" is, um… So I found this, this quote from a Dr. Chris Pepeneff, um,
• 25:30
  Kearns: Epinephrine.
• 25:31
  Jon: yeah, is about what he called the Jaws effect.
• 25:36
  Kearns: Ooh, I like it
• 25:37
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:38
  And it's, you know, it's the, the fear was so intense that
• 25:42
  shark hunting became common.
• 25:45
  Like, the, you wa- people watched "Jaws" and now it's, ' cause "Jaws"
• 25:50
  portrays the shark as, you know, just a mindless killing machine
• 25:55
  that's going to eat people, which is ultimately not the reality.
• 26:02
  Like, sharks, most sharks are not actively hunting people.
• 26:07
  If most shark attacks are, they mistook you for something
• 26:10
  that is actually their food
• 26:12
  Ryan: Which they depict pretty well
• 26:13
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:14
  Ryan: as well,
• 26:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:15
  Ryan: with the chum and stuff.
• 26:16
  Like,
• 26:16
  Jon: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Ryan: lures them in and they're confused with it, but still and all that.
• 26:22
  It's very similar to, like, a bear, I feel
• 26:24
  Jon: Yeah, and that, that
• 26:25
  Kearns: quick, that quick attack and then they leave too in the movie for the most
• 26:29
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:30
  And that,
• 26:31
  Kearns: that well
• 26:31
  Jon: and that's something that Byrne really wanted to focus on
• 26:35
  with this too, is, um, like he makes a point of, in interviews talking
• 26:41
  about how the shark attacks are a result of human manipulation.
• 26:46
  That the sharks are not, they, he, like he wanted to show them as majestic.
• 26:52
  You know?
• 26:52
  As like these beautiful creatures of the ocean that, you know,
• 26:57
  they're just doing what sharks do
• 27:00
  Kearns: Right
• 27:01
  Ryan: Sure
• 27:02
  Jon: And, you know, a- as a result, like, I mean, I f- I found
• 27:05
  this, uh, uh, you know, an, a, a report on endangered animals.
• 27:10
  As much, many as one-third of shark species are endangered, and a lot
• 27:16
  of that… Like, you know, you get the, the usual, uh, climate change
• 27:21
  issues and stuff involved in that.
• 27:23
  But from, like, the release of Jaws up until pretty recently, you had
• 27:28
  sport fishing, you had mass hunting of sharks because of that fear
• 27:34
  Kearns: Don't forget about shark fin soup too,
• 27:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 27:37
  Kearns: grab them,
• 27:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 27:38
  Kearns: the fin off, and then they throw the rest of the
• 27:40
  shark right back in the ocean.
• 27:41
  Jon: Yeah.
• 27:42
  Kearns: Yeah, that's no good.
• 27:46
  Jon: Oh
• 27:46
  Kearns: No good.
• 27:48
  Now that you bummed us out, John, do we have a game this week?
• 27:51
  Jon: Of course we do.
• 27:53
  Of course there's a game.
• 27:54
  so it's, you know, it's our standard, slasher stache.
• 27:59
  I am, again, not, I'm not gonna make it a guess because if you both
• 28:03
  don't have it from the first movie, I don't know what we're doing here
• 28:07
  Kearns: Is it sharks?
• 28:09
  Jon: Uh, of course it's sharks.
• 28:11
  And there's our, there's number one.
• 28:15
  It's Jaws 2.
• 28:17
  Are we stashing or slashing Jaws 2?
• 28:22
  Kearns: What do you think, Ryan?
• 28:25
  Ryan: Slash.
• 28:27
  It's not just one.
• 28:28
  Kearns: It's not.
• 28:29
  But for a sequel, it holds up pretty well as they go.
• 28:34
  I, I mean, we're not gonna talk about Jaws 3 right now.
• 28:37
  Ryan: I was gonna say, yeah.
• 28:38
  Jon: not yet
• 28:39
  Kearns: 2's got a pretty good beat system.
• 28:42
  didn't do Jaws 2, did he?
• 28:44
  Ryan: No.
• 28:45
  Kearns: No, you can't really tell.
• 28:48
  Oh, did he?
• 28:49
  Ryan: I would s-
• 28:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:51
  Ryan: no, he didn't do
• 28:51
  Kearns: Oh, he did.
• 28:52
  I mean, they just,
• 28:53
  Ryan: the soup
• 28:53
  Kearns: they did a pretty good job.
• 28:54
  The tethering of the boats together at the end with all the
• 28:57
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:57
  Kearns: trying to stay and the way, with the way the chief
• 29:00
  gets his victory in this one.
• 29:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 29:03
  Kearns: Pretty solid all around.
• 29:05
  Trying to remember what the first attack was like
• 29:08
  Ryan: be on this.
• 29:09
  Wait, is Deep Blue Sea a Shark Fit movie?
• 29:13
  Kearns: His hat is like a shark fin, Ryan.
• 29:15
  Jon: Yeah, deepest bluest
• 29:17
  Kearns: Lu- C. I'm gonna s- I'm gonna stash it.
• 29:19
  I know I shouldn't, but I'm gonna stash Jaws 2.
• 29:21
  I really like Jaws 2.
• 29:23
  I don't care what you people say
• 29:26
  Ryan: We're, we're not shaming you.
• 29:27
  Kearns: You are with your
• 29:28
  Jon: No, I,
• 29:28
  Ryan: you.
• 29:29
  Jon: I,
• 29:29
  Ryan: We're with you.
• 29:30
  Jon: I can f- I can find, I can find things to love about all four Jaws movies.
• 29:36
  Kearns: I love Jaws
• 29:36
  Jon: Even 4, even 4.
• 29:38
  As bad as 4 is, I still love that movie.
• 29:42
  All right.
• 29:43
  Kearns: accents
• 29:47
  Jon: we get The Reef
• 29:49
  Ryan: Ooh.
• 29:51
  This is good.
• 29:53
  This is the one they get become stranded, right?
• 29:56
  Jon: There's a few of those.
• 29:57
  Ryan: of a different one?
• 29:58
  Jon: a few of those, but yeah
• 30:02
  Yeah.
• 30:03
  I mean, generally you're… With the shark movies, stranded is,
• 30:06
  is a very common alternate theme
• 30:10
  So how do we feel about the reef?
• 30:12
  Kearns: I'm slashing it.
• 30:15
  It's fine.
• 30:18
  I like the reef, but it's no Jaws 2
• 30:22
  Ryan: I'll s- I'll slash it too.
• 30:23
  Jon: All right
• 30:24
  Ryan: I'm,
• 30:25
  Kearns: Doing it.
• 30:25
  Doing it
• 30:26
  Ryan: I've, I, I think I'm confusing it with another film because I'm
• 30:29
  looking at the cover, but I've heard good things about The Reef
• 30:33
  Jon: All right.
• 30:34
  Number three, we get bait.
• 30:38
  Kearns: I, seen Bait.
• 30:40
  I just love his facial expression
• 30:43
  Jon: I really enjoyed Bait.
• 30:45
  Bait is, Bait has the kind of goofiness that, uh, Crawl has with, you know,
• 30:50
  the, the killer animals being washed in on the storm, and it, like,
• 30:54
  it's very similar to that, the new Netflix movie Thrash in that regard
• 31:01
  Kearns: Okay.
• 31:02
  I haven't seen it, so I'm gonna slash it, but
• 31:07
  Ryan: I'm with you on that.
• 31:07
  I haven't seen this.
• 31:08
  This is too
• 31:10
  Kearns: the fact that John takes meticulous notes on what we do with
• 31:13
  this is freaking me out, 'cause I feel like all of this is gonna come
• 31:16
  back to bite us years down the line
• 31:18
  Ryan: It, it's a Xenomania
• 31:20
  Jon: So many notes.
• 31:22
  Kearns: so many notes
• 31:23
  Ryan: how you f-
• 31:23
  Jon: S-
• 31:23
  Ryan: you
• 31:24
  Jon: I have them all
• 31:27
  Kearns: It's crazy.
• 31:29
  We gotta put it… Don't digitize that actually
• 31:34
  Jon: It's for the, for the board game home edition
• 31:37
  Kearns: Nice
• 31:40
  Jon: All right.
• 31:42
  Movie number four, 47 Meters Down
• 31:47
  Kearns: Mandy Moore.
• 31:49
  Do-do.
• 31:50
  Ah.
• 31:52
  This was a remarkably forgettable movie too
• 31:56
  Ryan: I remember watching it once and that was it
• 31:59
  Jon: I was kind of surprised by this 'cause I, liked 47 Meters
• 32:04
  Down more than I expected to
• 32:07
  Kearns: Yeah, but it wasn't, it wasn't terrible.
• 32:10
  Jon: No
• 32:10
  Kearns: like that Jessica Alba, Paul Walker movie, terrible.
• 32:14
  The hell was that one called?
• 32:16
  Um, yeah, like
• 32:18
  Jon: Shallows?
• 32:19
  Was that The Shallows?
• 32:21
  Kearns: No, that was like Deep Blue or something,
• 32:25
  Jon: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 32:26
  I, yeah
• 32:28
  Kearns: Like Blue Crush or some stupid name.
• 32:30
  Jon: I- yeah, it was Blue Crush, I think.
• 32:32
  I'm pretty sure it was Blue Crush
• 32:33
  Kearns: that was the worst movie ever made.
• 32:35
  Um,
• 32:37
  Ryan: Worse
• 32:37
  Kearns: I gotta slash this too, man.
• 32:40
  I'm sorry, 47 Meters Down, I gotta do it to you
• 32:43
  Jon: Yeah
• 32:44
  Ryan: Yeah, it's not as memorable seeing it once, so I'm slashing it as well.
• 32:48
  Jon: All right.
• 32:49
  Ryan: remember the poster,
• 32:50
  Jon: Ry-
• 32:50
  Ryan: but
• 32:50
  Jon: Ryan, you're heading into a spot where you're gonna
• 32:52
  be stashing a lot of stuff
• 32:55
  Ryan: I'm fine with that
• 32:56
  Jon: All right.
• 32:58
  Next movie,
• 32:59
  Ryan: Oh
• 32:59
  Jon: The Meg
• 33:00
  Ryan: I'll st- I'll stash.
• 33:02
  Kearns: This movie's so bad.
• 33:04
  so bad
• 33:05
  Ryan: it's Jason Statham so good though,
• 33:08
  Jon: Yeah,
• 33:08
  Ryan: right?
• 33:09
  Jon: th- this is definitely a, a so bad it's good for me.
• 33:12
  Like, I've watched this way more times than I care to admit to
• 33:16
  Kearns: I love when it just unleashes on the tourists
• 33:19
  Jon: Uh-huh
• 33:20
  Kearns: time for the Meg to go.
• 33:21
  didn't see the sequel though
• 33:23
  Jon: It's not good.
• 33:25
  They introduce some, some land creatures.
• 33:28
  It's a, it's a mess.
• 33:30
  I, I think I only watched the second one once, but this one I've a bunch of times
• 33:36
  Kearns: to watch The Meg again tonight.
• 33:37
  Um, I'm gonna slash The Meg 2.
• 33:40
  Jon: Well.
• 33:45
  Kearns: it's a B movie.
• 33:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 33:49
  Kearns: you got coming up.
• 33:50
  I know there's some good movies with sharks in them.
• 33:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:53
  But did I put them on here?
• 33:55
  Kearns: that's my real
• 33:57
  Jon: So,
• 33:57
  Kearns: yeah
• 33:58
  Jon: so let me ask you, have I ever doubled up on a
• 34:01
  franchise in one of these games?
• 34:03
  Kearns: Never
• 34:04
  Ryan: No, you haven't.
• 34:06
  Jon: Hmm.
• 34:07
  Ryan: Gee willikers
• 34:08
  Jon: And you might be waiting for s-
• 34:09
  Kearns: missing Jaws.
• 34:10
  Jon: y- you might be waiting for something that doesn't come.
• 34:13
  Um,
• 34:13
  Kearns: It's true
• 34:16
  Jon: Deep Lucy
• 34:17
  Kearns: I gotta stash it.
• 34:18
  I gotta stash it.
• 34:19
  That's what I've been waiting for, baby.
• 34:21
  This cover is enough reason to stash it
• 34:24
  Jon: I l-
• 34:24
  Ryan: It's a good movie
• 34:25
  Jon: I love this stupid movie so much
• 34:28
  Kearns: It's so bad.
• 34:29
  It's so-- I mean, it's so good, but it's so bad
• 34:33
  Ryan: out?
• 34:34
  '98?
• 34:35
  Kearns: The cojones to take out Samuel L. Jackson too.
• 34:40
  Epic
• 34:40
  Jon: Right after that speech about pulling it together and surviving
• 34:46
  and getting out of here and
• 34:48
  Kearns: Think water's fast?
• 34:49
  Try ice.
• 34:52
  Jon: chomp
• 34:55
  Kearns: I saw this movie in the theaters.
• 34:57
  Ryan: I was saying
• 34:57
  Jon: Yeah, I did too.
• 34:58
  Ryan: right?
• 34:59
  Kearns: Yeah
• 35:00
  Jon: Yeah, right around there.
• 35:01
  Yeah
• 35:02
  Ryan: Like the summer?
• 35:03
  'Cause that was, it was a big
• 35:04
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:05
  Ryan: thing
• 35:05
  Jon: I feel like it was an August release, but I'm, I'm
• 35:10
  not, I don't know that for sure
• 35:13
  Kearns: One more Stash left.
• 35:14
  How many movies do we have left?
• 35:15
  Jon: Um, two.
• 35:17
  Ryan: too
• 35:18
  Jon: you both have one and one.
• 35:20
  Here is your penultimate.
• 35:22
  Open water
• 35:23
  Ryan: this is, this is the one I was thinking about.
• 35:26
  Yes, Stash.
• 35:27
  is a good movie
• 35:29
  Kearns: This is a hard one to watch.
• 35:31
  Ryan: It's so good though
• 35:32
  Kearns: Meaning, I mean, it is good.
• 35:33
  Yeah, it's not, like, bad.
• 35:34
  I don't mean that.
• 35:35
  I mean it's a hard movie to watch.
• 35:37
  Ryan: forget them, right?
• 35:38
  This is the one.
• 35:39
  They forget them in the water
• 35:40
  Jon: Yep.
• 35:41
  Ryan: to camp-
• 35:41
  Jon: Yep.
• 35:42
  Kearns: And you, you're expecting them to have some sort of a chance
• 35:45
  and, uh, that's not a thing.
• 35:49
  Jon: Yep
• 35:49
  Ryan: I'm trying … I think I saw this in, I saw this in theaters
• 35:53
  Kearns: plays on, what is the type of phobia, um, when, of
• 35:56
  open water and deep things?
• 35:59
  It plays on that fear a lot, too.
• 36:01
  When you're
• 36:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:02
  Kearns: there, if you're just out there floating, I mean, dude, what
• 36:06
  a horrible, horrible way to go
• 36:09
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:10
  And to go, to go back to our opener, that's, I mean, that's basically what
• 36:14
  that story is from Jaws where, you know, Quint is talking about the USS
• 36:19
  Indianapolis and all those guys that went into the water, and they were just
• 36:25
  Kearns: waiting
• 36:26
  Jon: Yeah
• 36:29
  That, that's a me- that's a messed up story, by the way.
• 36:32
  The whole US and I- Indianapolis thing is a, just a messed up
• 36:36
  story, forgetting the Sharks
• 36:39
  Kearns: Yeah, the Sharks are bad, but the… Everything
• 36:42
  about delivering a little boy
• 36:44
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:45
  I mean, uh, one- once those guys were torpedoed, it didn't matter
• 36:48
  if there were sharks or not.
• 36:50
  They, they were doomed 'cause no one knew where they were
• 36:54
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 36:56
  So what John's alluding to, listeners at home, the USS Indianapolis, if
• 37:01
  you watch Jaws you might remember, delivered the first nuke to the la-
• 37:07
  to the airstrip where it was gonna be fitted into the Enola Gay and then
• 37:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:12
  Kearns: Hiroshima, I believe.
• 37:13
  And then
• 37:15
  Jon: Yep.
• 37:15
  Kearns: ship was, it was a super secret mission, so
• 37:18
  Jon: Yeah
• 37:19
  Kearns: and a Japanese sub sank it, and then the men were just there.
• 37:23
  How many
• 37:23
  Jon: Yep.
• 37:25
  Oh, a lot.
• 37:26
  Kearns: one.
• 37:26
  It
• 37:27
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:27
  Kearns: one
• 37:28
  Jon: Yeah, like long enough that you start getting all those,
• 37:31
  like, stranded at sea problems.
• 37:33
  You know, the consuming saltwater delirium, the, the, um, the
• 37:40
  freezing hypochondri- the hypochondria, hyp- hypothermia.
• 37:46
  You know, like, you, you get that.
• 37:49
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Jon: So
• 37:52
  Kearns: moving on.
• 37:53
  Oh, I'm slashing open water because it makes me sad.
• 37:57
  I'm gonna g-
• 37:57
  Jon: All right.
• 37:58
  Kearns: dice and see what you got up last
• 37:59
  Jon: All right, so Ryan is slashing this one, and Kerns, you're stashing
• 38:06
  it, and one of you is gonna be…
• 38:08
  Ryan: it?
• 38:09
  Kearns: it.
• 38:10
  Jon: no, you're slashing this, but
• 38:12
  Kearns: Oh,
• 38:12
  Jon: you have,
• 38:13
  Kearns: coming
• 38:13
  Jon: you have one stash left.
• 38:15
  Ryan has his, a slash left.
• 38:18
  One of you is gonna be, one of you is gonna be pretty disappointed, I think.
• 38:24
  There it is
• 38:24
  Kearns: knew it.
• 38:25
  I knew it, you bastard.
• 38:26
  Jon: There it is
• 38:27
  Kearns: knew it.
• 38:28
  I'm so happy.
• 38:29
  Ryan, he screwed you so hard.
• 38:31
  Ryan: Oh, he
• 38:31
  Kearns: How does that make you feel?
• 38:32
  Ryan: doub- did I ever double up on franchises before, right?
• 38:35
  No, he made a good point.
• 38:37
  Jon: I hate,
• 38:37
  Ryan: point
• 38:38
  Jon: hadn't.
• 38:39
  Now, I, I'm gonna let you, let you in on a little secret about including Jaws here.
• 38:45
  I was going to not include Jaws and go on the, belief that you would expect
• 38:50
  Jaws to be the last one, and make the last one Shark Tale, so one of you would
• 38:55
  have had to, had to stash Shark Tale
• 38:57
  Kearns: time ago you had to make it horror related though.
• 39:00
  Jon: I did, yeah.
• 39:01
  Ryan: been good
• 39:02
  Jon: I, I, but e-
• 39:02
  Kearns: lied to yourself
• 39:03
  Jon: even, even that wasn't the reason I didn't do that.
• 39:06
  It was because I had the intro written out and I didn't wanna have to change it.
• 39:10
  Kearns: Fair.
• 39:11
  That's a fair point.
• 39:13
  Ryan: I'm, you know what?
• 39:14
  I'm still fine with my picks.
• 39:16
  I'm still fine
• 39:16
  Jon: you slashed Jaws.
• 39:19
  Kearns: Jaws.
• 39:20
  Jon: be that fine with your picks
• 39:22
  Ryan: You want, you know what, though?
• 39:23
  I didn't slash the thing, so I am fine with that.
• 39:28
  Kearns: Why you gotta put it on me, buddy?
• 39:30
  This is about
• 39:31
  Jon: Listen,
• 39:32
  Kearns: about
• 39:32
  Jon: listen.
• 39:33
  Ryan: only
• 39:33
  Kearns: failures.
• 39:33
  Jon: Here,
• 39:35
  Kearns: failure
• 39:36
  Jon: here, here's the problem with how you did this, how you played this off, out.
• 39:41
  None of the movies that you stashed exist anymore because you got rid of "Jaws."
• 39:47
  Ryan: Can we rewind?
• 39:48
  Please, please be
• 39:49
  Jon: you,
• 39:50
  Ryan: rewind.
• 39:50
  Jon: in,
• 39:51
  Ryan: All
• 39:51
  Jon: in, in, in Ryan world, there are no more shark movies
• 39:57
  Ryan: I have still Cocaine Bear, Grizzly
• 39:59
  Jon: And no, you probably don't, 'cause those are all from the Sharks too, but
• 40:05
  they're all based on the Shark movies.
• 40:07
  Y- yeah, I mean,
• 40:08
  Ryan: s-
• 40:08
  Jon: y- I'll let you keep Cocaine Bear
• 40:11
  Ryan: Oh, thank you.
• 40:12
  I appreciate
• 40:13
  Jon: Be- because that, 'cause that,
• 40:15
  Kearns: guy
• 40:15
  Jon: that's based on a true story
• 40:18
  Ryan: Well, he made choices, so he has to be benevolent, which I appreciate.
• 40:23
  Thank you.
• 40:24
  I get Ray Liotta in his last acting career, which he plays a villain.
• 40:28
  And I have to ask, 'cause I'm curious, think J. Courtney's character,
• 40:33
  Tucker, is worth the recognition to be considered a great horror
• 40:37
  villain for his one appearance?
• 40:40
  Kearns: He does a really good job, um,
• 40:42
  Jon: I mean
• 40:45
  It's a memor- it's gonna be a memorable, memorable antagonist.
• 40:50
  Like he is… The character itself could have just sort of been kind
• 40:55
  of a nothing because it, like, it could be very easily in an untalented
• 41:00
  actor's hands just be kind of like a character you've seen a lot.
• 41:05
  But there's something about the way Jay Courtney does it
• 41:08
  that's like, "Oh, all right.
• 41:10
  I'm g- this is somebody who's gonna stick with me.
• 41:13
  I'm gonna remember this killer."
• 41:17
  Ryan: His mannerisms, the facial expressions,
• 41:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 41:19
  Ryan: mentioned earlier,
• 41:20
  Kearns: He just crushes it
• 41:22
  Ryan: The dancing?
• 41:23
  Come on now.
• 41:24
  Kearns: Yeah, you know they pulled a little bit from Silence of the
• 41:26
  Lambs on that one, and it was fine the way they did it too.
• 41:29
  It was good.
• 41:30
  But you had to get him weird.
• 41:31
  You had to be-- You had to make sure that he was a sociopath,
• 41:34
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:35
  Kearns: that did the trick.
• 41:36
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Yeah
• 41:38
  Kearns: the trick
• 41:38
  Ryan: with, the obsession too with the VHS tapes and it has to be an old school RCA.
• 41:43
  Those tapes gave me
• 41:44
  Kearns: That's-- Those are like, um, sequence killer sort of things when
• 41:49
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 41:49
  Kearns: you ever watch Mindhunters, they go through all of their rituals and stuff.
• 41:53
  They pretty much stuck to that formula to a T in this movie.
• 41:56
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Kearns: Like, he's got his trophies, he's got his stuff.
• 42:00
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:01
  Kearns: Dexter season seven or whatever
• 42:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 42:05
  Ryan: So many layers, which, like, would you accept a prequel of Dangerous Animals?
• 42:10
  Kearns: No, this is fine.
• 42:12
  Jon: I don't,
• 42:13
  Kearns: wor- it's not worth it,
• 42:15
  Jon: I don't
• 42:15
  Kearns: It's a good movie, but it's not worth it
• 42:17
  Jon: I don't think you need to expand this universe.
• 42:19
  I think, I think they told a story that was really well told.
• 42:23
  It was pretty, it was, you know, an interesting enough story as a whole.
• 42:27
  I don't, I don't need anything added to it
• 42:31
  Ryan: Uh, not like a backstory with like Jay Courtney
• 42:34
  Jon: No, beca--
• 42:35
  Ryan: see his character build
• 42:36
  Jon: I mean,
• 42:37
  Kearns: just hopefully maybe he plays another good role
• 42:39
  Jon: Yeah, I'd like to see Jay Courtney again.
• 42:42
  I don't, I think, I, I feel like sometimes with that stuff they, they take away
• 42:47
  some of what made the character good.
• 42:50
  Like, I don't, I, I, it's the kind of character they developed
• 42:54
  enough I don't need to know how he became this kind of serial killer.
• 42:58
  Because generally it's my mommy wasn't nice to me.
• 43:01
  You know, it's stuff like that.
• 43:03
  Like, and then, and that, like that always sorta, like if you,
• 43:08
  like I, I mentioned earlier, I, I listen to a lot of true crime stuff.
• 43:11
  That always sorta takes me out of the serial killer stories
• 43:14
  is the, like how whiny they are
• 43:17
  And, and people didn't like me in school, mommy wasn't nice to me.
• 43:20
  Like, like stuff like that, it's like, God
• 43:29
  Ryan: He's breaking out.
• 43:30
  the Thing
• 43:31
  Jon: Hmm.
• 43:33
  Kearns: I get it though.
• 43:34
  And I think John's right.
• 43:35
  There's too much to lose and not enough to gain
• 43:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:38
  Kearns: expanding this
• 43:39
  Jon: Yeah, we, we have a good story here.
• 43:42
  We don't… I don't think we need more.
• 43:45
  All right.
• 43:47
  So listen, and we, we get towards the end and Zephyr
• 43:52
  realizes her time is running out.
• 43:54
  She- it's not long before Tucker's gonna make her shark food, or Moses,
• 44:00
  who's, you know, pretty messed up at this point and fading too.
• 44:04
  so how far would you go to escape?
• 44:06
  'Cause we know how far Zephyr is gonna go
• 44:09
  Would you
• 44:11
  Kearns: Franco yourself to get out of there?
• 44:14
  Ryan: that, when I saw her do what she was doing, I was like, "No,
• 44:18
  you're not biting your thumb off.
• 44:19
  No, you're… No.
• 44:20
  Jon: So I,
• 44:21
  Ryan: And then
• 44:22
  Jon: I, I mean it's not even… That part is sort of like, all right, well,
• 44:25
  I mean, you've gone that far, you might as well go the rest of the way.
• 44:30
  But it, uh, you know, it's, it's the, the act of taking her thumb
• 44:35
  and snapping it back, you know?
• 44:38
  Just like that
• 44:38
  Ryan: was
• 44:39
  Kearns: dude.
• 44:39
  Yeah, dude
• 44:40
  Jon: And then, a-
• 44:42
  Ryan: it
• 44:43
  Jon: and then to do that and have the cuffs not fit over it still
• 44:50
  Kearns: Yeah, that, it was pretty heartbreaking
• 44:52
  Jon: And then, I mean, uh, from, from there, like, you've already ruined your
• 44:56
  thumb, you might as well go the next step
• 45:00
  Kearns: You could… That would heal eventually.
• 45:02
  The chewing it
• 45:03
  Jon: I mean
• 45:04
  Kearns: next level
• 45:06
  Jon: I mean, it would heal, but how much would it heal?
• 45:10
  And like, I mean, you know you're done anyway.
• 45:13
  Kearns: You'd have a
• 45:14
  Jon: Y- y- you know you're done anyway.
• 45:17
  But you're gonna have a thumb that like hangs like that all the time.
• 45:20
  Like it's like down here while the rest of your hand is up.
• 45:23
  Like you wave like this now
• 45:26
  Kearns: For those listening, the visual is epic right now
• 45:30
  Jon: Yeah, like, I mean,
• 45:31
  Kearns: The
• 45:31
  Jon: like, my thumb kinda does that anyway, so.
• 45:34
  Kearns: say you've got kind of a thing going on
• 45:36
  Jon: Yeah, like I, I have the hitchhiker's thumb and all that, so.
• 45:41
  Ryan: I'm just
• 45:41
  Jon: But…
• 45:42
  Ryan: the thumb getting bit off now,
• 45:43
  Jon: Oh, yeah, but,
• 45:44
  Ryan: jitters
• 45:45
  Jon: like, for me, I, I, I feel like you guys were more disturbed
• 45:50
  by the chewing it off afterwards.
• 45:52
  Kearns: Yes,
• 45:53
  Jon: me,
• 45:53
  Kearns: so
• 45:54
  Jon: for me it wa- it was the, it's the first shock of just the cheese, like
• 45:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 46:03
  Kearns: in these movies, as you well know.
• 46:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:07
  Kearns: so this was a tough scene.
• 46:09
  Ryan: This was worse than bring her back.
• 46:11
  Kearns: No, it wasn't.
• 46:12
  Ryan: in my opinion.
• 46:12
  Oh
• 46:13
  Jon: I don't know about that.
• 46:14
  I, I mean, I don't know about that,
• 46:16
  Kearns: Every time you reference Bring Her Back, you're wrong,
• 46:18
  by the way, just so you know.
• 46:19
  matter what you're talking about, it's just by default you're wrong.
• 46:22
  Ryan: take, I'll take the table scene over that any day.
• 46:25
  The knife
• 46:26
  Kearns: Ooh.
• 46:27
  No way.
• 46:28
  Jon: No,
• 46:29
  Kearns: way.
• 46:30
  Ryan: Yes.
• 46:30
  Kearns: No
• 46:31
  Jon: I'm not, I'm not…
• 46:32
  Kearns: hard scene
• 46:33
  Jon: g- I'll, I'll get with you on a lot of bring her back stuff.
• 46:36
  I c- I,
• 46:38
  Ryan: The CGI,
• 46:39
  Jon: can't on this one
• 46:40
  Ryan: This can, this can happen, right?
• 46:43
  This can really happen, so you get that
• 46:45
  Kearns: That can happen too
• 46:47
  Jon: Yeah
• 46:47
  Ryan: denomi- a
• 46:48
  Kearns: if you did it.
• 46:50
  Ryan: demonic kid in
• 46:51
  Kearns: No, just a k-
• 46:52
  Ryan: about?
• 46:53
  Kearns: a, a scene of a child chewing on cutlery was brutal
• 46:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 46:59
  Ryan: They weren't
• 47:00
  Jon: And it, and it, it's, it's the child aspect.
• 47:04
  This is, this is a f- this is a full-grown woman doing this.
• 47:08
  It's, so it's not… And I mean
• 47:10
  Kearns: She already had carnal relations, so she could die at any
• 47:13
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:14
  Kearns: That's allowed by the rules
• 47:16
  Jon: But they, but the thing I like, I like about that scene is that s-
• 47:21
  it's, it's reminiscent of the end of Saw, but it goes that step further.
• 47:27
  Kearns: Yeah, we're
• 47:28
  Jon: Like, it's not like,
• 47:29
  Kearns: know what?
• 47:31
  Jon: it, it's not like, all right, he's sawing his foot off and that's it.
• 47:34
  You get a good extended bit of her gnawing on herself
• 47:40
  Kearns: It, it takes a minute, and it reminds me of Gerald's Game,
• 47:43
  which is a good thing to bring up.
• 47:46
  Um, uh, you guys remember how she gets out of the cuffs in Gerald's Game?
• 47:52
  Ryan: It's been a minute.
• 47:53
  Kearns: He
• 47:53
  Ryan: I'm
• 47:54
  Kearns: slice – I'm trying to figure out how to word this so this episode doesn't
• 47:57
  get completely freaking blacklisted.
• 48:00
  Slices and uses the, the blood as lubricant to help slip it off.
• 48:07
  It's not quite as bad as it could get, which is,
• 48:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 48:09
  Kearns: you know, the, the worst case scenario, I think, is when
• 48:13
  you get… What's the term, Ryan?
• 48:16
  When you de-
• 48:19
  Ryan: Glove?
• 48:20
  Kearns: Yes.
• 48:21
  Ryan: Yes.
• 48:22
  Kearns: Would that be worse?
• 48:23
  Ryan: I don't know.
• 48:25
  De-gloving is, is horrible.
• 48:26
  I mean, you kinda, like, just the action of it and just … Yeah, sorry.
• 48:33
  I'm not really keen on this talk, 'cause I, yeah, 'cause I see it
• 48:37
  Kearns: You can go on YouTube right now and watch like a whole,
• 48:41
  a whole collection of videos on it.
• 48:43
  Been down that rabbit hole before.
• 48:45
  down that rabbit hole before, buddy.
• 48:48
  And they, it's mostly industrial machines and stuff.
• 48:51
  Ryan: Yes.
• 48:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 48:52
  Kearns: But
• 48:52
  Ryan: I
• 48:53
  Kearns: I- it is pretty brutal.
• 48:54
  What, what's worse, biting off the thumb or de- if she de-gloved herself?
• 48:58
  Ryan: Degloving.
• 48:59
  Cause like when you're my, my mom used to work for a company and
• 49:03
  they used to handle like a lot of
• 49:05
  Kearns: They're gonna sue us now, just so you know
• 49:08
  Ryan: But they'll, they'll be like, we know this guy, He'll be like, right.
• 49:12
  More.
• 49:12
  I remember him running a monk.
• 49:15
  Well,
• 49:15
  Kearns: "You, by the way, you've been served," and I'll hand you the envelope.
• 49:19
  Ryan: well, I was downstairs in the warehouse and I'd investigate
• 49:23
  the machines and stuff and I get the tour and understanding of how
• 49:27
  to make like, cause they used to do like the sheets for marbles.
• 49:31
  They put the marbles and like you get dressed behind one of those.
• 49:34
  I'm trying to figure out the word, like a curtain.
• 49:36
  What was like the fold out curtains.
• 49:38
  Kearns: Okay
• 49:39
  Ryan: But to see how the machines would work to make the
• 49:42
  marbles, the fire and stuff.
• 49:43
  If you made one mistake, it was wraps and there were, there were some accidents.
• 49:52
  Not when I was there, but there was, and you know, it's not a fun process.
• 49:57
  Kearns: Oh, those things will do it.
• 49:59
  Those things will do it.
• 50:00
  I don't know.
• 50:01
  It's a r- real just quick roll call.
• 50:04
  A, B, or C basically.
• 50:05
  Would you d- would you, would you able to do either of those things to escape?
• 50:13
  Jon: Chew your, chew your thumb off for a D glove
• 50:16
  Kearns: Mm-hmm
• 50:19
  Ryan: No, I'm gonna fight him.
• 50:21
  He'll come back, I'll…
• 50:23
  Kearns: He's gonna sh- he's hit
• 50:24
  Jon: But
• 50:24
  Kearns: and you're gonna
• 50:25
  Jon: yeah, I mean, you're, yeah, you- you're at a such a significant
• 50:29
  disadvantage if you're in those cuffs
• 50:32
  Kearns: He's not a small guy either.
• 50:34
  Jon: Yeah
• 50:35
  Kearns: da, da, da.
• 50:37
  Ryan: I'm ready, Captain
• 50:38
  Kearns: All right, so you're… Ryan's choosing death.
• 50:40
  Ryan: Yes.
• 50:43
  Jon: Listen, I give it the same answer I give any of these things.
• 50:46
  I have two thumbs, I can lose one
• 50:49
  Kearns: All right, so John's gonna try to get out, I honestly don't know until
• 50:53
  I'm there, uh, to be honest with you.
• 50:54
  I got a lot to live for right now, so I'd probably chew off my thumb
• 50:58
  Jon: I,
• 50:59
  Kearns: we're being real
• 51:00
  Jon: I just don't legitimately don't know if I actually could
• 51:06
  Kearns: That's the thing is stopping yourself.
• 51:07
  Like,
• 51:08
  Jon: Yeah.
• 51:08
  Like that would be my choice.
• 51:10
  I would definitely try to get out that way if there's nothing else.
• 51:15
  I just don't know if I could… I don't know if I could first snap it
• 51:19
  and then, you know, go the next step of just gnawing through my, my body part
• 51:28
  Kearns: Oh, dude, Brian, in "Berserk," remember when Guts has
• 51:31
  his arm stuck in the demon's mouth and he's trying to get to Casca to
• 51:35
  stop the bad thing from happening that we definitely can't talk about?
• 51:38
  And he, he takes the bl- he takes a broken sword and does the thing,
• 51:42
  and, and that's how he gets out.
• 51:45
  That… Well, that's Guts, though.
• 51:48
  Guts.
• 51:49
  Ryan: I can
• 51:49
  Kearns: Bro.
• 51:50
  Ryan: and be like,
• 51:50
  Kearns: Bro.
• 51:52
  Ryan: But
• 51:52
  Kearns: was pretty bad
• 51:54
  Ryan: you hear, you hear her chomping, you hear her going through the
• 51:57
  Kearns: Well, if they did it right,
• 51:59
  Ryan: that
• 51:59
  Kearns: you would hear that too visceral.
• 52:04
  Visceral
• 52:04
  Ryan: did, did they do that in the anime?
• 52:06
  Kearns: No.
• 52:07
  Oh no, in the gold, yeah, the golden age arc they do.
• 52:09
  Ryan: did,
• 52:10
  Kearns: Absolutely, yeah.
• 52:11
  They did it right.
• 52:11
  Ryan: Yes
• 52:12
  Kearns: It was well, very well done.
• 52:14
  yeah, anyway, um, chances are all three of us would meet our
• 52:17
  makers after that, I'm sure.
• 52:19
  Jon: I absolutely, absolutely.
• 52:21
  I'm also not the fighter that Zephyr is because w- that's really just the first
• 52:26
  step because w- free from the cuffs, it's… Here she's still in the middle of
• 52:31
  the ocean on a boat with a guy who is much larger, much stronger, and pretty hostile
• 52:39
  Kearns: this.
• 52:40
  Yeah, he's done this before.
• 52:41
  Jon: Yeah
• 52:42
  Kearns: And he tees her up as a fighter.
• 52:43
  "You're a fighter,"
• 52:45
  Jon: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Kearns: the whole movie, so we know something big's coming from her
• 52:48
  Jon: Yeah, you and, you and I are, are very alike, you know, that whole routine
• 52:53
  Kearns: We're alphas or whatever he calls them.
• 52:55
  Jon: Yeah.
• 52:59
  Ryan: Trying to turn her.
• 53:00
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:01
  Ryan: She just
• 53:01
  Kearns: I,
• 53:02
  Jon: Yep
• 53:02
  Kearns: waiting for him to invite her to join him, and he never did.
• 53:05
  He's too in love with the game, I think
• 53:07
  Jon: Yeah, yeah,
• 53:10
  Ryan: He's too focused.
• 53:11
  Jon: yeah.
• 53:11
  Yep
• 53:12
  Ryan: a one-man show type deal.
• 53:14
  But that's another thing.
• 53:15
  Q Minehunters is, it's always a one-man show.
• 53:18
  Kearns: True.
• 53:19
  They don't, they don't
• 53:20
  Jon: Yeah, I mean, the tag team serial killers are few
• 53:25
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 53:25
  Ryan: Yes.
• 53:26
  Kearns: All right
• 53:27
  Ryan: from screen
• 53:28
  Jon: Yeah.
• 53:29
  I mean, movies less, less rare.
• 53:33
  But in real life, there's not that many examples of them
• 53:38
  Ryan: Fair.
• 53:39
  Jon: So
• 53:39
  Ryan: on that
• 53:40
  Jon: we get to the end and Zephyr is attempting her escape, and
• 53:43
  we get to the CGI moment that you guys wanted to bring up
• 53:47
  Kearns: I texted it immediately.
• 53:49
  As soon as it happened, I texted that I-- we had to talk about this.
• 53:55
  What a good movie
• 53:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:57
  Kearns: and what a terrible… It's almost intentionally terrible what
• 54:01
  they do at the end with… The, the actual motion of the, of a great white
• 54:08
  leaping out of the water after bre- like
• 54:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 54:11
  Kearns: and like if it, as it grabs a seal, that's all
• 54:13
  like well and good, but why
• 54:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 54:15
  Kearns: it so bad?
• 54:17
  It looked te- the water loo- I re-watched it like four times.
• 54:21
  The water looked terrible
• 54:23
  Jon: Yeah, it's, it,
• 54:24
  Ryan: out jar
• 54:25
  Jon: it's really the one misstep.
• 54:27
  Like I saw people complain about the scene where she's underwater and face
• 54:32
  to face with the great white and it just sort of, it, it ignores her.
• 54:36
  Like
• 54:36
  Ryan: was
• 54:37
  Kearns: Well, that
• 54:37
  Jon: he, he…
• 54:38
  Kearns: with the con- eye contact.
• 54:39
  She
• 54:40
  Jon: Yeah.
• 54:40
  Kearns: contact,
• 54:41
  Jon: Yeah.
• 54:41
  And then, and Byrne talked about that somewhere about how it's
• 54:45
  like the two scarred creatures recognizing one another and, you know,
• 54:51
  Ryan: Like
• 54:52
  Jon: he,
• 54:52
  Kearns: I,
• 54:52
  Jon: he make, he makes it more, he makes it a, in his mind it's a deeper
• 54:57
  moment than what you maybe pick up
• 55:00
  Kearns: Okay.
• 55:01
  Yeah, a bit of a miss on his part as far as conveying that, but I dig
• 55:05
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:05
  Kearns: I dig the concept
• 55:07
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:08
  Kearns: Um, I just thought it was just the usual, when you look at a
• 55:12
  shark, it doesn't see you as prey.
• 55:14
  If you're looking at
• 55:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:15
  Kearns: as it's coming to you and it gives you a chance to push it off or it'll
• 55:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:20
  Kearns: and I've seen, you know, Shark Week.
• 55:21
  You've all seen Shark Week.
• 55:22
  It's-- They do that all the time.
• 55:24
  So I thought that's what that was about.
• 55:26
  The CGI, though, watching the fake shark swim away, like a la Jaws style way more
• 55:33
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:34
  Kearns: the way they ended it.
• 55:35
  That climax was horrific to the point where I was laughing
• 55:40
  Ryan: it was just initiated poorly.
• 55:43
  I feel like if they put a little more effort, a little more money into it,
• 55:46
  Kearns: That's the thing they needed.
• 55:47
  Ryan: it.
• 55:48
  Kearns: They needed more money.
• 55:49
  You could have done that with, with AI better than that looks in that scene
• 55:54
  Ryan: Yes.
• 55:56
  I feel like though, again, like John said, it's like a deeper movie, I feel.
• 56:00
  Like, he
• 56:01
  Kearns: we're not talking about any of that right now.
• 56:03
  We're just talking about how horrible that CGI scene was in this movie that was
• 56:08
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:09
  Mm-hmm
• 56:09
  Kearns: you get to like the, oh my God, is this the Sci-Fi Channel?
• 56:12
  Why did that happen?
• 56:14
  Jon: Well, I mean, also again, having watched, you know, Devil's Candy and
• 56:19
  knowing about The Loved Ones, he- I don't think Byrne has really used
• 56:25
  a lot of CGI in the first place.
• 56:28
  Like Devil's Candy is, is not an effects-laden movie
• 56:33
  Kearns: He should stick with that or get a better dude.
• 56:37
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:38
  I mean,
• 56:38
  Ryan: Just
• 56:38
  Kearns: not cutting it
• 56:39
  Ryan: effects
• 56:40
  Jon: starts with budget.
• 56:41
  I mean, you know, $2 million.
• 56:43
  $2 million doesn't go where, where, where, you know, $600,000
• 56:48
  went for Romero in '78, you know?
• 56:52
  Kearns: Fair point.
• 56:54
  Fair point.
• 56:54
  But yeah, it was a gripe.
• 56:55
  It's not so much a gripe as it is a bit of a stain on a pretty good picture.
• 57:00
  But it's
• 57:01
  Jon: Y- yeah,
• 57:01
  Kearns: point
• 57:02
  Jon: it, it's a moment, it's a moment that takes you out of it.
• 57:06
  Um, so before we go into what we think about Dangerous Animals, let's hear about
• 57:12
  how some other people think about, of it.
• 57:15
  Kearns: yeah
• 57:16
  Jon: so we have an 87% critic score on Rotten Tomatoes and a
• 57:23
  Kearns: Pretty good.
• 57:25
  That's also pretty good.
• 57:26
  It's about
• 57:26
  Jon: pretty well-liked.
• 57:27
  Yeah.
• 57:28
  I, I think, I think we'll, you know, a little bit of a spoiler when we
• 57:31
  do the reviews, I, I bet we're all gonna fall in that general range.
• 57:35
  five stars.
• 57:37
  "Love shark thrillers, and this is an insane twist on what we're used
• 57:42
  to seeing. Refreshing, terrifying, absolute must-see." Shark emoji.
• 57:50
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 57:51
  It's, I agree with, uh, why they liked it.
• 57:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 57:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 57:55
  Kearns: I don't know if I find this movie terrifying per se.
• 57:59
  There's, there's tension
• 58:01
  Jon: It,
• 58:01
  Ryan: Yes
• 58:02
  Jon: I, I, I think I found it more uncomfortable than terrifying.
• 58:07
  But I mean, you know,
• 58:08
  Ryan: baby shark
• 58:09
  Jon: it, it, you know, that, that part is…
• 58:12
  Kearns: Shark
• 58:13
  Jon: And, uh, and he, his rendition of Baby Shark is kinda creepy, like
• 58:18
  it's not, it's not like the upbeat, like it's, it's the creepy serial
• 58:24
  killer guy singing Baby Shark.
• 58:26
  Um, yeah, I mean, it, yeah, I would agree with most of that.
• 58:31
  The number's too high for me, but otherwise I think that's
• 58:34
  a pretty accurate review.
• 58:36
  And then we have this one.
• 58:38
  "One star.
• 58:40
  Worst horror ever.
• 58:43
  Guessed the ending 100%, and the whole movie is full of futile struggles
• 58:50
  that just make you very uncomfortable.
• 58:53
  Don't watch it."
• 58:55
  Kearns: That is a thing in this.
• 58:57
  There's a lot of Ls that get delivered to the, to the heroine,
• 59:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 59:05
  Kearns: build in the way where you're supposed to, like, despair for her or
• 59:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 59:10
  Kearns: constantly aware that it's building up to her getting out.
• 59:13
  You
• 59:14
  Jon: Yeah.
• 59:14
  Kearns: she's ever
• 59:15
  Jon: Yeah.
• 59:15
  Kearns: get out.
• 59:16
  Jon: Yeah, I mean… Yeah, and, you know, guessing the ending of
• 59:20
  this movie is like, you didn't guess the end of Citizen Kane, bud.
• 59:24
  You, you know, you get, you get, it's a… You know, asi- aside from Moses
• 59:29
  not being done at the end of the movie,
• 59:33
  Kearns: Which
• 59:33
  Jon: there's really nothing, nothing terribly twisty about it.
• 59:37
  The heroine is going to overcome the serial killer somehow.
• 59:43
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 59:44
  Jon: Most likely by have- getting a shark to eat him.
• 59:48
  Like, you know how that's gonna go
• 59:51
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 59:51
  Ryan: It's very straightforward
• 59:52
  Jon: Yeah.
• 59:53
  And then you have the half star.
• 59:57
  And I don't know what, I don't know what movie this half star person watched,
• 1:00:03
  but it was not Dangerous Animals.
• 1:00:06
  Overrated Hollywood slop
• 1:00:11
  Kearns: That's it?
• 1:00:12
  Oh,
• 1:00:12
  Jon: No, hold on.
• 1:00:14
  Progressive themes as usual with the lamest characters other
• 1:00:22
  than the antagonist, but the message is same old blathering
• 1:00:30
  Ryan: feathering
• 1:00:30
  Kearns: message?
• 1:00:31
  Jon: I, I have no i-- I have no idea.
• 1:00:34
  First off, this isn't a Hollywood movie.
• 1:00:37
  Kearns: Yeah, it's an anapene
• 1:00:38
  Jon: This is, this is an independent Australian production.
• 1:00:43
  I don't even think it's what would be the equivalent of an Australian Hollywood.
• 1:00:49
  This is some dude on a boat with some cameras, you know.
• 1:00:52
  Like, they, they… First off.
• 1:00:55
  Second off,
• 1:00:57
  if you're looking for and finding progressive or conservative themes
• 1:01:04
  in "Dangerous Animals," you're doing too much, 'cause it's not there.
• 1:01:10
  It's, like, what's prog- That the woman survives and overcomes?
• 1:01:15
  Like, so is "Halloween" progressive by that standpoint?
• 1:01:20
  Kearns: no LBGTQ aspect to it.
• 1:01:22
  Jon: Th- there i-
• 1:01:23
  Kearns: it
• 1:01:23
  Jon: there is nothing that these pe- that… Yeah
• 1:01:27
  Kearns: Is hobo guy on the docks
• 1:01:30
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Like there's nothing.
• 1:01:32
  There's, there's,
• 1:01:34
  Ryan: The darkling
• 1:01:35
  Jon: mean, and a, a h- a hobo who wants to help.
• 1:01:38
  Kearns: Yeah, there
• 1:01:39
  Jon: His a- his actual ability to be helpful is very questionable.
• 1:01:44
  Ryan: Oh, yeah
• 1:01:44
  Jon: But
• 1:01:45
  Kearns: with you, man.
• 1:01:45
  This is dumb
• 1:01:46
  Jon: I, I, I, I just, I don't see any of that.
• 1:01:48
  I don't see what the message that's the same old blathering is.
• 1:01:53
  I don't… Like, to, to… Listen, you, you cannot like "Dangerous Animals."
• 1:01:59
  There's gonna be people who didn't like "Dangerous Animals." That's fine.
• 1:02:02
  I liked it a lot.
• 1:02:03
  It was a-- I believe it was in my top five for last year.
• 1:02:07
  I don't know that it stays in there now that I've seen where they were
• 1:02:11
  going with "28 Years Later," I think that probably knocks it out.
• 1:02:15
  But it's still w- within my top 10 from last year.
• 1:02:19
  It's… But to say it's a half star for those reasons just doesn't work for me
• 1:02:27
  Ryan: Rage bait.
• 1:02:28
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Ryan: It's just
• 1:02:29
  Kearns: yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Ryan: bait.
• 1:02:30
  Kearns: I think it's a person who spends too much time
• 1:02:32
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:02:34
  Ryan: and, and people want, I feel like we get into those like A24 horror
• 1:02:40
  films or even like what Blumhouse tries to do, where every horror
• 1:02:44
  film has to have that deep meaning.
• 1:02:46
  It doesn't.
• 1:02:47
  Jon: No.
• 1:02:47
  Ryan: It sh- it can just be
• 1:02:48
  Jon: No, it,
• 1:02:48
  Ryan: story
• 1:02:49
  Jon: it's,
• 1:02:49
  Ryan: to watch
• 1:02:50
  Jon: it's fine, and that, that's what this was, and that's why I'm g- you
• 1:02:54
  know, I d- I'll go first with my rating.
• 1:02:57
  I'm gonna say Dangerous Animals is a four.
• 1:03:01
  Ryan: Oh,
• 1:03:01
  Jon: You, you c- you could, you could talk me m- e- up even a little
• 1:03:04
  bit to a 4.25 maybe, but a four.
• 1:03:06
  This is a four for me.
• 1:03:09
  It hits, what I wanted it to hit in a shark movie, and it hits what
• 1:03:12
  I wanted it to hit in a serial killer movie in the same place.
• 1:03:17
  So I'm, I'm cool with it
• 1:03:20
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:03:21
  Curves
• 1:03:23
  Kearns: It went way higher than I thought it was gonna go.
• 1:03:25
  I was gonna give it a three two five because that's not a terrible score.
• 1:03:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:30
  Kearns: terrible score.
• 1:03:31
  Jon: No, it's above average
• 1:03:32
  Kearns: it's for the same reasons.
• 1:03:34
  It's, it does what it's supposed to do.
• 1:03:37
  It doesn't, um, I tend to gravitate and love movies that
• 1:03:40
  have a deeper message and stuff.
• 1:03:42
  The
• 1:03:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:42
  Kearns: this doesn't have it doesn't mean I don't think it's
• 1:03:44
  a great movie or a good movie.
• 1:03:46
  It's just that doesn't go-- It never elevates itself to another level because
• 1:03:51
  it, that's not what its purpose is.
• 1:03:53
  I enjoyed it.
• 1:03:54
  I would've enjoyed seeing them do a little bit more with the sharks as
• 1:03:58
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:58
  Kearns: as when they're dunking and things like that.
• 1:04:01
  But I don't think I would even qualify these as missed opportunities.
• 1:04:04
  This is just like it, it's teed up to be a line drive to left center, not a
• 1:04:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:10
  Kearns: and
• 1:04:10
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Kearns: what it is.
• 1:04:11
  It's a good movie.
• 1:04:12
  Three two five might be too low though because then you're making me feel bad.
• 1:04:16
  Three five.
• 1:04:16
  Three
• 1:04:17
  Jon: We found
• 1:04:18
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:04:18
  Kearns: I'll do three five.
• 1:04:20
  Ryan: I'm gonna race you, Alex, and I'm gonna go 3.75.
• 1:04:23
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:24
  Ryan: it, it hits everything I would expect, what I was expecting.
• 1:04:28
  The, uh, biting and almost de-gloving was like, what are we doing right now?
• 1:04:34
  And I cringed, and I haven't cringed with a horror movie in
• 1:04:38
  a while, and I… It was bad.
• 1:04:40
  I was just like, no, I can't.
• 1:04:42
  This is horrible." hear the crunching.
• 1:04:44
  But it hits every point.
• 1:04:46
  It was an interesting perspective to see the serial killer slasher
• 1:04:50
  motive now mixed with, sharks and animals, and them uniting that idea,
• 1:04:57
  as we were talking about earlier, and making it more to the foreground.
• 1:05:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:01
  Ryan: nice change, they still follow the same beats that we're all used
• 1:05:05
  to, and that's what makes it work.
• 1:05:07
  It's a fun film, and it's people thinking about messages and deeper
• 1:05:11
  meanings, what the director wants to do.
• 1:05:13
  Just go sit down and watch it with a bowl of popcorn and enjoy it
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  This is a, a fun hour and a half popcorn movie
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  People need to understand, get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy movies,
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  just like our top fives that we're going to be discussing tonight.
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  And I'm gonna start off.
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  My top five, I was talking to John about this earlier, and we were trying to figure
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  it out, but I'm going with five benevolent characters who are truly malevolent.
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  Kearns: No wonder he said them.
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  No wonder he said it seven times tonight.
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  He's been waiting
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  Ryan: foreshadowing.
• 1:05:51
  And I'm gonna start off, uh, John, uh, a couple weeks ago you mentioned a film
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  you haven't seen and it's on your list, and done it in a while 'cause I've been
• 1:06:02
  staying away from films I haven't seen.
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  But this one I do wanna mention, and it's my top five, uh, number five,
• 1:06:08
  I'm sorry, and that's, uh, Heretic.
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  has been on, uh, my list for a while.
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  It's about two young Mormon missionaries who visit the home of an eccentric man,
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  played by Hugh Grant, after he expresses interest in the Church of Jesus Christ
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  of Latter-day Saints, only for his true intentions to quickly become clear.
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  Um, just how the trailer depicts him, he's very benevolent, and then as the
• 1:06:30
  trailer continues, you see him turn.
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  I've heard a lot of great things about it.
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  I've heard Hugh Grant is amazing.
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  Uh, very… I was hesitant with the film because I kept thinking about
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  Martyrs, and I was like, "How far are we gonna go with, like, torture,
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  blood?" And it's not about that.
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  It's more psychological
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: I've read.
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  Kearns: It's really good.
• 1:06:52
  Ryan: You've seen it?
• 1:06:53
  Kearns: Yes, it's really good, and it is more psychological
• 1:06:57
  Ryan: I feel like he, I mean, you can agree with me from what I, or
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  disagree, is that I feel like he is benevolent in the beginning.
• 1:07:03
  He's very welcoming.
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  I f- you know, he gives tea.
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  He's very, like,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:07
  Ryan: intrigued, but there's more to the sinister plot as it comes
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  out, if I'm not mistaken, right?
• 1:07:13
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:14
  He's, uh, you know, I mean, I don't wanna ruin the ending for you, so
• 1:07:17
  I'm not gonna tell you what, what his whole motive is and stuff, but
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:21
  Kearns: cool.
• 1:07:21
  It's,
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  Jon: But
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  Kearns: what his angle is is cool
• 1:07:24
  Jon: y- yeah, and it, and it's Hugh Grant, so he automatically looks safe
• 1:07:30
  Ryan: Yes.
• 1:07:32
  Well, Hugh Grant now.
• 1:07:34
  Hugh Grant from Bridget Jones' Diary I think is a different story
• 1:07:37
  Jon: I mean, he,
• 1:07:38
  Kearns: He's
• 1:07:38
  Jon: he, he, but
• 1:07:39
  Kearns: like a s- the guy you wouldn't mind running into in an
• 1:07:41
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Kearns: You
• 1:07:42
  Jon: It, it, it, it's the, it's, uh, for Hugh Grant, it's always
• 1:07:47
  been more the personality of the characters than the look.
• 1:07:51
  Like, he's always, the personality has always been, like, the cad, you know?
• 1:07:57
  Uh, but he, uh, he always looks like he's a safe guy
• 1:08:01
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:02
  Ryan: Fair.
• 1:08:03
  Kearns: All right.
• 1:08:04
  Jon: Next
• 1:08:05
  Ryan: that connects to my number four.
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  It's about, uh, two strangers meet on a train, uh, one of whom is a psychopath
• 1:08:13
  who suggests they exchange murders so that neither will be caught, and
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  that is 1951's Strangers On A Train.
• 1:08:22
  It's A lot of people consider it a psychological thriller.
• 1:08:25
  I consider it more of a horror and psychological, something … or
• 1:08:29
  very early for Alfred Hitchcock.
• 1:08:31
  Uh, it's just good.
• 1:08:33
  You get two strangers who meet, uh, Guy Haines and Bruno, and when Bruno and
• 1:08:40
  Guy meet, Bruno's very benevolent, and he comes up with the idea, and Guy's
• 1:08:45
  like, "Oh, it's just a joke." then Bruno kills his wife, and Guy's like, "No,
• 1:08:49
  this is, this is not a joke." how he acts, it's very friendly, and then as the
• 1:08:54
  movie continues, you see the cord snap.
• 1:08:57
  You see the madness in Bruno grow, he becomes insane, and
• 1:09:02
  it's just such a good build.
• 1:09:04
  you've never seen it, such a good film.
• 1:09:06
  Strangers On A Train, 1951.
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  Get through the black and white.
• 1:09:10
  And that leads to number three.
• 1:09:12
  really more of an anthology, and we're going with Trick 'r Treat, and you gotta
• 1:09:15
  ask, who's benevolent in the movie?
• 1:09:17
  Who's malevolent?
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  And no, it's not the teacher.
• 1:09:21
  It's not him.
• 1:09:21
  It's Sam.
• 1:09:23
  Sam is a very benevolent character throughout the whole movie.
• 1:09:27
  He's the mascot.
• 1:09:27
  He's great.
• 1:09:29
  The only time he's malevolent is when you take down the
• 1:09:32
  decorations before Halloween ends.
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  don't do that.
• 1:09:35
  Don't disgrace Halloween.
• 1:09:36
  Don't throw pumpkins on the ground, and you'll be fine.
• 1:09:40
  This is the one character I can say out of this whole list that I, I, I really truly
• 1:09:43
  love and respect in that whole situation.
• 1:09:46
  Don't mess with him.
• 1:09:48
  Sam's a great character, too, which leads to number two.
• 1:09:52
  I mentioned it earlier, and that's Wolf Creek.
• 1:09:55
  Um, three backpackers who find themselves taken captive and subsequently
• 1:09:59
  hunted by Mick Taylor, a serial killer in the Australian outback.
• 1:10:03
  Again, watching Dangerous Animals, I kept thinking of Wolf Creek.
• 1:10:07
  The benevolent of Tucker in the beginning, I kept thinking of Mick
• 1:10:10
  Taylor that's how he was in Wolf Creek.
• 1:10:14
  You know, "You guys are lost. I'm gonna take you to my compound. I'll fix your
• 1:10:17
  car," and then all hell breaks loose.
• 1:10:19
  And it's like Tucker, who's like, "Yeah, come on my boat. It's a tourist boat.
• 1:10:23
  I get good reviews." And then Greg gets You know, thrown off, and then
• 1:10:30
  Heather is just, like, captive, and it's similar in that Wolf Creek version.
• 1:10:34
  But Wolf Creek had many sequels and shows, while we're not
• 1:10:38
  gonna get that with Dangerous
• 1:10:39
  Jon: And
• 1:10:39
  Ryan: thank God
• 1:10:40
  Jon: I believe Wolf Creek is based on a true story
• 1:10:44
  Ryan: Yes, it is.
• 1:10:45
  Um,
• 1:10:45
  Kearns: Yes
• 1:10:46
  Ryan: 2001 and in the 1990s.
• 1:10:50
  The one in the, the 1990s was Ivan Milat, and then in 2001 it was Bradley Murdoch.
• 1:10:58
  I think they… I don't know if they caught, think they caught them,
• 1:11:04
  Jon: I believe they did.
• 1:11:05
  I believe they did
• 1:11:05
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:11:06
  But it was like, I s- feel the two at the time, you get 2005, you get Wolf
• 1:11:10
  Creek, and also at the time you get Texas Chainsaw Massacre the remake.
• 1:11:14
  So, like, the idea of, like, not found f- like, I, you can say found footage, but,
• 1:11:20
  like, more of, like, what was happening in the past, like the true story was becoming
• 1:11:24
  more in the open, and that definitely connects with my number one because,
• 1:11:29
  I mean, the most benevolent character you can have who turns benevolent is
• 1:11:34
  Norman Bates, and we're going Psycho.
• 1:11:36
  Two Alfred Hitchcock films in one night.
• 1:11:38
  Let's go.
• 1:11:40
  Psycho focuses on the encounter between on-the-run embezzler Marion
• 1:11:44
  Crane and shy motel proprietor Norman Bates and his disturbed mother.
• 1:11:50
  As a private investigator, um, lover Sam Loomis and her sister
• 1:11:54
  Lila investigate her disappearance.
• 1:11:57
  As we all know, shower, ketchup, all that good stuff.
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  Norman's just, I feel like he's so misunderstanding.
• 1:12:04
  Jon: a good boy.
• 1:12:06
  Ryan: He is a good
• 1:12:07
  Kearns: A good boy.
• 1:12:08
  Ryan: my top five.
• 1:12:09
  Jon: He's
• 1:12:09
  Ryan: That is my… Now, watch the movie too, Good Boy, and our podcast episode
• 1:12:17
  Kearns: Do it
• 1:12:17
  Jon: All right
• 1:12:18
  Ryan: drop anywhere
• 1:12:20
  Jon: So I went a different way, not necessarily an
• 1:12:23
  unpredictable way with mine.
• 1:12:25
  I went with top five or five other Australian horror movies.
• 1:12:32
  Kearns: Nice
• 1:12:33
  Jon: I'm gonna start with an honorable mention just because it hasn't come
• 1:12:36
  up enough tonight, um, with Talk to Me, and mainly I'm throwing Talk to
• 1:12:42
  Me in as an honorable mention so that I can say that it's made by the same
• 1:12:46
  fine folks who made Bring Her Back
• 1:12:49
  Kearns: Yay.
• 1:12:50
  Ryan: yeah.
• 1:12:51
  Wait, uh,
• 1:12:52
  Kearns: Is it A24?
• 1:12:54
  Jon: Um, I don't believe so.
• 1:12:56
  Kearns: All right, then I'll watch it.
• 1:12:59
  I'm,
• 1:12:59
  Jon: Talk To Me's okay.
• 1:13:00
  Like, Talk To Me's okay
• 1:13:02
  Kearns: is more on my list than A24 is
• 1:13:05
  Ryan: The one with the hand, right?
• 1:13:06
  Jon: Yeah,
• 1:13:06
  Ryan: the
• 1:13:07
  Jon: yeah,
• 1:13:07
  Ryan: and then
• 1:13:07
  Jon: yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:08
  It's fine.
• 1:13:09
  It's fine.
• 1:13:10
  Um, so my number five, start the list proper, is a movie called Body Melt.
• 1:13:16
  Ryan: Bye.
• 1:13:17
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Kearns: milk
• 1:13:19
  Jon: It's exactly what it sounds like.
• 1:13:20
  Um, so this has a, a really nice Vinegar Syndrome release,
• 1:13:26
  which I think is out of print.
• 1:13:28
  I couldn't find it on their site anymore.
• 1:13:31
  Um, and it… Judging by eBay prices, it's probably out of print.
• 1:13:35
  Um, the people of Pebbles Court are being used as test subjects for a new body drug.
• 1:13:43
  The problem is they don't know.
• 1:13:46
  Even bigger problem is the drug causes rapid body decomposition and the skin
• 1:13:52
  melting off, and, you know, death
• 1:13:57
  Ryan: I'm looking at the
• 1:13:58
  Kearns: There you go
• 1:13:58
  Ryan: DVD cover.
• 1:14:00
  It looks awesome.
• 1:14:01
  Jon: So this i- this sort of… It sort of belongs in a category that people
• 1:14:06
  tend to call body melt or just melt.
• 1:14:11
  So yeah,
• 1:14:11
  Kearns: Bleh
• 1:14:13
  Jon: there, there's a few.
• 1:14:14
  "Street Trash" probably belongs in that category.
• 1:14:17
  There's, there's a few, you know, the people melting category.
• 1:14:21
  Um, my number four probably gonna be the best-known one on the list.
• 1:14:26
  Uh, it's "The Babadook."
• 1:14:29
  Kearns: Aviduke
• 1:14:30
  Jon: yeah, written and directed by Jennifer Kent.
• 1:14:33
  a mother and her child descend into paranoia when the creepy Mr.
• 1:14:37
  Babadook, the character from a kid's book, manifests into the real world.
• 1:14:42
  It's a stark look at, grieving and, you know, how a family handles
• 1:14:46
  that, and it's become an iconic movie in the LGBTQ community.
• 1:14:53
  And, uh, I mean, it, for me it, four is the right spot on any list for it.
• 1:14:57
  It doesn't quite connect with me, but it's really well done, my number three
• 1:15:02
  is a movie that stars Martin Freeman.
• 1:15:05
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 1:15:06
  Jon: Not Morgan, Martin.
• 1:15:07
  It's a movie called Cargo.
• 1:15:10
  Uh, it's a, a zombie apocalypse movie.
• 1:15:13
  Um, after being bitten by his zombie wife, Andy must travel the countryside
• 1:15:19
  in the hopes of finding someone to take care of his daughter before
• 1:15:24
  he turns and makes a meal of her
• 1:15:27
  Ryan: I wanna see that so badly.
• 1:15:29
  Jon: It's pretty good.
• 1:15:29
  It's… Yeah
• 1:15:32
  Ryan: very like, um, heart-wrenching, I feel
• 1:15:35
  Jon: It's got a lot of that, yeah.
• 1:15:38
  Yeah, it's, it's, it's not an easy watch, but it's, it's really good.
• 1:15:42
  Uh, my number two, we're gonna go sort of into the vein of dangerous animals.
• 1:15:48
  We're also gonna go back to the director of Wolf Creek and
• 1:15:51
  The Belko Experiment, uh, Greg McLean, and we're going with Rogue
• 1:15:59
  an American journalist goes on a river tour on a crocodile-infested
• 1:16:03
  river in northern Australia.
• 1:16:05
  after the first day of the tour is pretty uneventful, the tourists encourage and
• 1:16:10
  push the guide, Kate, who's played by Radha Mitchell, who was, previously
• 1:16:15
  talked about in our Silent Hill episode.
• 1:16:17
  she's persuaded to go further, and they run afoul of a 25-foot
• 1:16:22
  crocodile with a large appetite
• 1:16:26
  Kearns: Do it.
• 1:16:28
  Ryan: Yeah
• 1:16:28
  Kearns: Salties
• 1:16:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:32
  And my number one is one I had almost forgotten about until
• 1:16:35
  I started making this list.
• 1:16:36
  It's directed by Cameron and Colin Cairnes, who went on to do Late Night
• 1:16:41
  With the Devil, but this is earlier.
• 1:16:44
  It is 100 Bloody Acres.
• 1:16:48
  Kearns: Cool
• 1:16:49
  Jon: Uh, so two brothers own an organic fertilizer company
• 1:16:53
  with a secret ingredient.
• 1:16:56
  They use the bodies of car crash victims.
• 1:17:00
  Uh, when the supply starts to dry up, the brothers need to come up with a
• 1:17:04
  new plan for a supply, and their new plan is, is much more hands-on than
• 1:17:10
  acquiring some people who died on the road
• 1:17:15
  Ryan: Interesting
• 1:17:16
  Kearns: All right
• 1:17:18
  Jon: you guys.
• 1:17:19
  Kearns: Hooray.
• 1:17:21
  And where can people see those movies that you listed out?
• 1:17:25
  Jon: Oh, boy.
• 1:17:25
  Um
• 1:17:27
  Kearns: Australia.
• 1:17:28
  Jon: I think, I, I think most of them are floating around in f- I
• 1:17:32
  know, um, I have physical releases of Rogue, The Babadook, and Body Melt.
• 1:17:39
  They've all had physical releases.
• 1:17:42
  Um, I'm not… Cargo I think was on Netflix for a long time,
• 1:17:46
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:17:46
  Kearns: Okay
• 1:17:47
  Ryan: It's,
• 1:17:47
  Jon: and
• 1:17:48
  Ryan: still on it
• 1:17:49
  Jon: I'm not sure where you can see 100 Bloody Acres at this point.
• 1:17:52
  It was, I believe it was on Shudder at one point
• 1:17:58
  Kearns: Okay, cool.
• 1:18:00
  right, guys.
• 1:18:00
  Well, that was a good episode on a good movie, Men Animals
• 1:18:06
  Ryan: Manimals?
• 1:18:07
  Kearns: Manimals
• 1:18:08
  Jon: animals.
• 1:18:08
  Yeah, I mean, it kinda works.
• 1:18:10
  Kearns: It's
• 1:18:11
  Jon: It kinda works, yeah
• 1:18:12
  Kearns: Bad guy's the man.
• 1:18:13
  Get it?
• 1:18:14
  Ryan: Dun, dun,
• 1:18:15
  Kearns: The
• 1:18:15
  Jon: I get it.
• 1:18:16
  Kearns: guys.
• 1:18:16
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:18:17
  Kearns: Hooray.
• 1:18:18
  All
• 1:18:18
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:18:19
  Kearns: Well, I hope you enjoyed listening to us talk about it,
• 1:18:21
  and we'll see you next week
• 1:18:24
  Ryan: Have a good one
• 1:18:26
  Jon: The year