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Surfer Jim | Surfing The Waves of Bitcoin | Simply Bitcoin TTO · Simply Bitcoin

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  Yo, what's up, everyone? How you doing?
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  We're back for another tto. I am pretty sure I fix the audio
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  for you guys. This time, I'm excited for this
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  one. This is actually a personal
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  friend of mine. Me and Jim go way back and this
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  is kind of back to this whole this whole idea.
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  I've been telling you guys consistently of we're out here
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  as big Corners trying to win, the hearts and minds of people.
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  And I think the best way to do this is, by relating stories
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  about how Bitcoin has changed your life about Bitcoin giving
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  you a new life about the opportunities at that big.
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  Coin has offered you and does offer you all by the simple
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  transformation of stacking SATs. So without further Ado, let me
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  just bring in my buddy Jim. We already kind of having a good
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  conversation behind the scenes. So without further Ado gym, so
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  honored for you to be here, just say what's up to the people and
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  then we'll get into some of the topics that I have already.
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  Well dude, I'm honored that you have me on.
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  I mean, I'm just a regular guy as you know, we, we go back.
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  Three or four years, at least at this point and a little side
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  note, for those who would care often office tonight, shared an
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  apartment last year in Miami, on an estate.
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  That with another apartment and another big house in six.
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  Other Bitcoin isn't a built-in pool and I thought it was pretty
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  damn cool. So this is awesome.
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  Yeah, Bitcoin will change your life folks and I guess we're
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  here to talk about that. So, you know.
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  Yeah, that me on them. No worries.
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  No reason that Jim wanted to do a PSA before we Got into this
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  that Jim is a boomer so forgive him, you know, where
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  Millennials, where Zoomers out here, but I still think,
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  nonetheless, that Bitcoin will not only change us, young
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  people's lives, it will change your parents live.
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  So share this one with your parents out there, share this
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  one with the the with the older crowd because I am almost
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  positive. We're going to be giving you
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  guys get some good stories in regards to, to why we Bitcoin
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  and how Bitcoin changes your life.
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  So, first and foremost, You kind of mentioned it already we have
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  been to a few Bitcoin conferences together last year
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  we were in Miami we room together.
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  It was an awesome time with a bunch of also awesome.
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  Bitcoiners some of them actually hang out in the chat.
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  Every once in awhile, shouts out to bake but I really want to go
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  back way back way, way way back to when I first went to my very
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  first conference and that was bit block, boom 2020.
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  And it's very interesting considering now that I'm on,
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  simply Bitcoin it A full circle moment here.
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  I remember we were sitting in Bitcoin kindergarten on Discord.
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  After a show it was late night. We were we were all just sitting
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  there shooting the shit and you just you kind of went on the
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  like a like the bit block, boom shil on us and you just you
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  where you're so excited to go to the conference and and you were
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  just trying to not only convince us but also show us why we
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  should go. And it happened that me and Nico
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  are sitting in the Discord. We had never met before.
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  In real life, we've been sitting on on Discord for, I don't know.
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  Like at least six months to a year, we've all been hanging out
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  at the same time, you know, we considered each other friends
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  and you just kept telling us like you do you guys want to go
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  to this conference? I'm telling you.
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  This is where you want to be. These are out these the you're
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  going to be around the people. You want to be around and Nico
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  is like, yo, Opti, like if you buy a ticket to fly out to
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  Dallas to build block, boom, I will get the hotel room and you
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  can stay with me. And at the time I was like, I
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  don't know, man. Like I don't know if I really
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  want to go and then Jim you kind of just like gave us to spiel of
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  like this is where you want to be.
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  And then what now it's a 23 years later I'm working with
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  Nico and it just, it just blows my mind that literally going to
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  a conference hanging out with your friend, has 100% change my
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  life. So I I think maybe let's let's
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  start with what you told us that night.
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  Why should people go to conferences?
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  What's the value of this stuff? Why why do you want to be around
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  bitcoiners so much? Well you end up meeting your
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  extended family that you haven't met yet.
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  That's out there in the world. And and I say that because what
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  I've found is that the people that gravitate towards Bitcoin
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  that are willing to spend some money to go to one of these
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  conferences are the people that are very passionate about it.
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  They understand what it is, what it could mean and Come to that
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  because they have a certain ideal ideology about life in
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  general and about the world. And so what I find is a fairly
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  homogeneous crowd of people like-minded.
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  People obviously not on everything and there's some
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  people that really spar with each other in the Bitcoin space,
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  even though there, they both might be Bitcoin maximalist.
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  Say, you know, certain people still like each other.
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  But the point is, it's kind of amazing.
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  And I said this to you guys, I know you not going to understand
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  until you go. Oh and that's all I can say.
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  Is it, anybody who goes comes away in this exact same thing?
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  Holy crap, that was so worth it. The and, and this particular
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  conference bit block, boom. If you go this year, I think I
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  have a referral code Surfer. Jim, you get 10% off.
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  If you get a ticket, a pretty sure I'm in the system somewhere
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  but it's a great conference, right?
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  It's small relatively small compared to certainly committed
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  the one in Miami who are at last year and you get a lot of time
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  hanging out with Anybody. I mean everybody's accessible
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  all the speakers as famous as they might be online or on
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  Twitter or anywhere else, they're very accessible either
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  at dinners After parties, walking in the hallways, after
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  their talks, that just very accessible and you become front
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  little legitimate friends with these people.
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  I mean, I know a lot of very well known people in the space
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  who I actually considered a pretty good friends.
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  I have some of their personal phone numbers now, because we
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  really do resonate, you know, you become friends, little
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  friends hanging out, I was As I mentioned this on one of the
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  spaces the other day, Neil Jacobs was in there and we had
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  known each other for a while but this Pacific pickled conference
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  a month ago, I can remember myself.
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  This other guy, Jimmy friend of mine that lives in Baja and
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  another growing Isabel, we found ourselves at the same place, at
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  the same time, all wanting to get dinner.
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  We then ended up spending like three hours together.
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  None of us plan that but we all knew each other and we're all
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  friends. But it was just like a really
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  cool Just hanging out with three of your friends evening and then
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  we went somewhere else met up, like, eight other people hung
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  out, you know what I mean, like. And so it's just such a social
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  thing and then, you know, we're trying to build around a really
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  important Discovery called Bitcoin the idea, the whole
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  world should know about this because it levels the playing
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  field. I'll cut right to the chase
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  Bitcoin is super important because it allows everybody
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  Financial sovereignty and that takes a lot of power away from
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  people, right. Now the control money and then
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  they're there for control people's lives and start wars
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  and all kinds of stuff. So there's a whole passion
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  behind why we care about the coin and brings us together
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  brings life on like-minded people together and then true
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  worldwide friendships. Develop, I'm kind of Blown Away.
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  I live my whole life on Long Island, New York.
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  You know you end up with several hundred friends in your life
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  maybe over a lifetime you know that all live nearby and I
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  doubled or tripled the amount of friends and we maybe they're not
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  all close friends obviously there.
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  Acquaintances people, I know but I've met but they're all over
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  the world. Now I know people all over the
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  world who have offered me like a couch or an extra bedroom to
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  sleep in. If I come visit, I think this is
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  amazing. Like how that happened?
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  We just spoke like Bitcoin, we met somewhere, we hit it off, we
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  have a common interest, whatever it might be, and it just has
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  blown my mind. I mean, every week I meet new
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  people every every time I go to a meet-up or conference, I
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  always meet new people. It's crazy.
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  So yeah, I mean, that's a long drawn-out way to say, it's go to
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  conferences. Meet you.
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  Extended worldwide Bitcoin family because they're out there
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  and you got to love someone. So I'm going to be a best
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  friends realize like I help you. Yeah, I met him at a conference.
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  We've been friends for the last 20 years.
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  It's going to happen. It's going to happen man.
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  And if that a doubt without a doubt, no I mean I this is what
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  I thought it had last year. So not only am I always
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  constantly around bitcoiners but it's like you said, it really
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  blows my mind that I have a worldwide Network.
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  Work of people that I know, not only get me but also view the
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  world in the same way. And I understand that if I ever
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  really was in their area or something, you know, I was, I
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  was in the neighborhood. I could probably either tweet
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  something out or DM someone, and I'm pretty sure everywhere
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  around the world. I know people and just, like you
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  said, you know, you you're said, you're from Long Island.
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  I never really left my hometown until recently and I always
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  considered myself, just living in a Bubble.
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  And now, that bubble is literally the whole globe and
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  that's because as yeah. And that's because as my friend,
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  wanna kiss, you know why it gives he always said, it's like,
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  have you have you guys ever taken a moment to just like
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  realize that we're all friends? And we all know each other just
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  because we like to save money like and we laugh about every
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  single time it's like we just like the same money and now we
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  have a global. Let's expand on that though.
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  It's way more than the same money is money represents you
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  know that of course It's funny the way he puts it in wine
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  because every guy and I gotta give him props.
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  I mean, the guy's been traveling for months, if not years, he and
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  go back to something. You said you can go anywhere in
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  the world today, almost anywhere in the world today and just
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  announced online, you're a Bitcoin or in this town and some
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  other Bitcoin are as close as possible to that count as going
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  to reach out and offer you. Like come over for dinner like
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  it's incredibly you don't have to have ever known them that
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  connection but again it's Way Beyond just money obviously
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  Coin. Well, I think of the coin is
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  much more than just money, but it functions as a worldwide
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  digital money, that nobody controls that concept affects
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  Society. Affects economics, affects
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  individuals in unique ways and certainly, as I mentioned
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  earlier, the idea that you can have a type of financial
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  sovereignty that you were never afforded before because of the
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  way, monetary systems of work, for thousands of years, It
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  changes the game changes lives. It changes the world
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  essentially. And so the connection to these
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  other people around the world is way more than this money.
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  That, you know, some of us who have saw it early.
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  You know, people way before me, especially who were able to
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  accumulate a bunch of these Bitcoin are going to be fairly
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  wealthy someday in terms of their spending power, having
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  held on to it because of what it's likely to what it's likely
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  to do that. You know, the individual units
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  are likely to have more purchasing power in the future.
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  So that if you have some now and you Hold it out into the future.
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  It's probably going to be a very good way to save your value.
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  You know, these are these are economic Concepts.
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  These are the kind of things that the average person doesn't
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  think of regarding their money. Most people don't know how money
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  even works, where it comes from or anything.
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  You know, as Bitcoin has, you know, you you end up with this
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  is one of these things that happens, you go down the Bitcoin
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  Rabbit Hole, as we say, and you start learning about things, you
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  never thought you would even care about like, how does money
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  work? Where does it come from all
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  these things? And why is Bitcoin such a good
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  money? And As an older guy, I spent my
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  life in the Fiat system. You know, took in the normal TV
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  news, watched things like the internet come from nowhere to
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  what it is today. And so, I have this very, you
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  know, long, many years worth of vision of what's happened on
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  this planet at least in my lifetime and of course, whatever
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  history. I learned before that, and it
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  wasn't until Bitcoin came along that I actually could see parts
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  of the world that were hidden to me because the the edge
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  Occasionally around money and the way it works and who
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  controls it and where it comes from was not easy to find.
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  It certainly wasn't talked to me in school and the people who
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  have that information or at least could or at least control
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  the money, you know, the information is out there but the
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  people control the money don't want you to know how it works,
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  really. It's like The Wizard of Oz and
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  the man behind the curtain and you know it wasn't until I 50s.
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  Unfortunately that I learned about Bitcoin and I learned
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  about so many other things and all of a sudden I see the world.
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  So Differently. But I also see my own future
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  differently and I'm actually a lot more optimistic even though
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  the world's going to shit. I hope I can say that.
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  Yeah, yeah. Not like you know like things
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  have been looking up for the last couple years for a lot of
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  reasons, as we all know but I personally am optimistic because
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  of what I see Bitcoin doing for me personally since I have some
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  but also what I think it's going to do for the world in you know,
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  as a monetary system that can benefit everybody.
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  I just think a lot of things are going to Prove for a lot of
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  people and I think that's a cool thing and I'm happy to be around
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  to maybe see a bunch of it happen.
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  A guy like yourself who's a bunch younger, you're going to
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  see a lot more changes by the time you get to my age or older.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. I've got, I probably got two
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  lives like to your lifetimes. Maybe.
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  I don't know your exact age, but I think I'm probably twice as
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  old as you did. You got, you got a lot to look
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  forward to. Yeah, actually that's a perfect
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  segue, but Jim, your your camera is lagging a little bit.
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  Would you mind pressing V and and might turn off and maybe
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  your audio will work a little better.
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  So okay, I don't need the way I guess.
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  It doesn't matter. Let's just go press it again.
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  We'll just see. I think I'm still getting some
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  popping polish. You guys retired folks this
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  year? I don't.
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  Yeah, I don't know if it's I don't know if it's cutting
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  through the stream or if it's just on my end, but hit me in
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  the chat. Let me know.
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  This one at least is listenable but you said something and I
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  literally have this in my notes and And I felt the same exact
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  thing in my life. Even though I am half your age
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  and you said it, you said it perfectly.
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  And this is literally how I have it in my notes.
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  And I knew that this would be a great talking point, and it's
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  the second life with Bitcoin, there's something about like I
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  again I hate to get like religious on here guys.
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  But like there's like, you know, before Bitcoin and then after
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  Bitcoin and it really does feel like you're given a second life.
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  Once you go down the Bitcoin Rabbit Hole once We understand
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  why you hot oil. It not only gives you, you know,
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  the savings and the opportunity to invest in Risk in yourself.
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  Something that you've always wanted to do, but it also, like,
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  you said it reboots your brain, and I don't know.
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  You look, you look at the world completely differently, it.
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  I really don't know how to explain it more than that.
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  Like, you have to hot oil to understand what I'm saying, but
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  you got to understand why you hot oil and understand Bitcoin
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  to even get over that. That hump and it's like this is
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  why I do this show and this is why I wanted to do this series
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  and and this is what I always talk about.
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  Because like there's a real I don't know.
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  Psychological or DNA changing aspect of Bitcoin.
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  That is really hard to explain in.
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  This is why the cultural aspect is so interesting to me because
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  I say it all the time if it can change my life that I know it
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  can change. Everyone else's life out there
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  is just like you just got to be true to the hottel.
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  You gotta, you know, sacrifice and be consistent and
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  persistent. Then and everything else will
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  fall into place. It's like we have the, the joke
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  of like sell your chairs, you know, like sell everything that
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  is frivolous in your life, audit yourself, get to the Bare Bones
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  and you're going to completely live a whole other life and I've
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  noticed this in yourself as well.
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  Like you are literally on your second life of Bitcoin.
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  And I mean I'm younger than you and I still feel the same way
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  like before Bitcoin before joining, simply Bitcoin is like
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  a totally different life. Like this is surreal for me now
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  and we were kind of joking about this in the beginning.
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  It's like, Like what about the complain about?
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  Like I live in Bitcoin are working Bitcoin now like my life
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  is Bitcoin. I'm like I said every morning
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  I'm just blessed to be here. I'm honored and humbled that
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  this is where I'm at and I'm just I'm really excited for what
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  the future holds and then also these effects on the rest of
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  society and I Bitcoin really is that bright orange future it.
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  Like again, you have to ha do an experience this for yourself.
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  I like I can't really tell you about it.
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  I can tell you and tried to relate our experiences as we You
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  know, win the hearts and minds of the of the average person out
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  there with our personal stories are life changing stories, but
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  it really feels like Bitcoin gives you a second life and
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  it's, it's absolutely amazing. So, I learned about something
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  called time preference, right? So I now have a lower time
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  preference, I believe, I'm going to live a good amount of
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  additional years and I really care to plan for those years to
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  and to live comfortably and well, and when you consider
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  Bidder, how you can use Bitcoin to help make that work out for
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  your own future. It gives you the hope that it
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  can work out because Bitcoin is a way to save value out into the
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  future where it can't be debased.
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  Now, you know, people will argue all day long.
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  The value of Bitcoin goes up and down with time.
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  Yeah, on its way up. Okay.
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  When you consider what it was worth, you know, 14 years ago.
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  Nothing and now it's what? Let's see.
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  Look at the chart 21300 for a single Bitcoin, that's pretty
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  good. If you'd been holding on
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  Fourteen years, that's not that long.
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  Several million percent return, you know, I'm a couple Penny
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  investment I guess, right? It's pretty insane to think
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  about but what people don't know why the average person is
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  certainly a lot of people, my age don't get it is because they
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  don't really understand what it is.
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  You know, you say it's a money, you say it's a digital money,
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  you see? It's a decentralized, you know,
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  essentially what does that really mean decentralize?
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  The average person can't really wrap their head around that and
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  and so it requires a little bit of Education.
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  And say that facetiously because you know, if you really want to
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  get Bitcoin, a kind of requires a lot of Education, I hate to
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  say it. I don't want to make it hard on
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  people, but the reality is when you really, really want to get
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  Bitcoin, 10 hours will get you pretty far.
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  But 100 will really make a difference.
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  You'll get a lot. If you put in 100 hours of
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  podcasts and a book or two, it'll really come clear.
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  Why this matter so much, but that you'll learn a lot of
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  stuff. It'll cover a lot of different
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  disciplines, you know, like General.
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  Extend specifically, monetary economics and then of course,
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  monetary history, and then distributed networks and
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  cryptography, you know, you'll learn about something called
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  hashing whole crazy concept. I never knew existed until I
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  heard about Bitcoin, what? I totally know what it is.
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  Now I can actually explain what it is.
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  So like it's very interesting just really quickly, I'll say
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  that as a kid growing up. I tell the story a lot.
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  So when I was growing up, I like to take things apart to see how
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  they worked. I had this Natural Curiosity and
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  It's been my life like I ended up being a builder of Custom
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  Homes because I like to know how things work and I learned how to
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  build houses and so I just it's fun.
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  It's like putting together a model only, it's really big and
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  I used to do that as a kid. I used to put together plastic
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  models and all that kind of stuff was really interesting to
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  me. So when I learned about Bitcoin
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  I had to like learn about how it worked inside but it's a digital
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  thing online. So the learning process was a
• 19:27
  little different than it was no real Hands-On, like taking
• 19:30
  something apart. But you know metaphorically.
• 19:34
  Still take it apart. You can learn about the
• 19:35
  different parts of Bitcoin and why those of us who understand
• 19:41
  the network and trust it recognized that the qualities
• 19:44
  that are are said the pick the Bitcoin network is said to have
• 19:48
  are actually there you know what makes up the various important
• 19:52
  qualities of Bitcoin. It takes a little while to
• 19:54
  understand it but that's what I did.
• 19:56
  I had to do that work. So for me, I dug deep into the
• 19:59
  technical aspect of it and I learned some stuff that I never
• 20:02
  thought I'd ever care to learn but in do, Doing.
• 20:04
  So this like you know, Tiffany happened where I saw how
• 20:07
  important Bitcoin is how it's not likely to ever be stopped by
• 20:11
  any person or government. Especially now every year that
• 20:14
  it keeps going it gets more resilient to Breaking or being
• 20:18
  attacked or anything else. So and you know this takes a
• 20:20
  while to learn why that's the facts, right?
• 20:23
  There's this reasons why that's a basically a true statement.
• 20:26
  No guarantees about the future on anything in this life
• 20:29
  obviously. But Bitcoin has resisted a lot
• 20:32
  in its growth. And, and A high likelihood.
• 20:34
  It's going to be here for many, many years decades, hundreds of
• 20:38
  years, potentially thousands. And in, in over that period of
• 20:41
  time. Each individual unit of the coin
• 20:43
  will grow in its ability to purchase goods and services.
• 20:46
  So the more those units you own and get them.
• 20:49
  Now, while they're cheap in the future, you'll probably be able
• 20:52
  to buy much more than the money you gave up to get them now.
• 20:56
  You know it's a simple concept but it takes a lot to believe
• 20:59
  that that could happen and that requires learning what Bitcoin
• 21:03
  is and how it works. It's a little bit and to
• 21:05
  whatever extent you as a technical or non technical
• 21:08
  person. Needs to know.
• 21:09
  All that information is out there and, you know, go down
• 21:11
  that road and unlearn it. You know, I don't know what else
• 21:14
  to say. I'd be happy to start explaining
• 21:16
  now. That's not necessarily pointed
• 21:17
  at, you know? And just trying to get like that
• 21:20
  overview perspective. Like I had to go through this
• 21:22
  and I'm just, to be honest anybody's looking, I just turned
• 21:25
  62 and so, you know, like, but I look at my life like, all right,
• 21:29
  it's 2/3 over. Maybe even less I can go to 100.
• 21:33
  I can go more than I got healthier because a Bitcoin.
• 21:35
  I, if you want to go down that road, I'll tell that story.
• 21:38
  But I literally no way in hell that they will get that, right?
• 21:40
  So I we more optimistic about my future.
• 21:42
  I think I'm gonna live way longer than I maybe ever
• 21:44
  thought, right. So, like a lot of shit.
• 21:46
  There's a lot going on here. All right, I'll let you go back
• 21:49
  to asking me question. No, no II love it.
• 21:51
  This is, I think this is what people need to hear and also I'm
• 21:55
  the same way I had to and I'm this is actually a question that
• 21:59
  that I've been thinking about. I'm going to ask you and I think
• 22:03
  we're kind of on the same page. Page and I'm going to be
• 22:05
  surprised if you say something that is surprising in this
• 22:08
  regard, but I'm the same way I had to break things down.
• 22:12
  I had to listen to like, you know, 40 hours of podcast a week
• 22:16
  for I don't know months just so I could grok pick one just
• 22:20
  because that's that's how I am as well.
• 22:22
  Like I wanted to understand Bitcoin as much as humanly
• 22:26
  possible or at her better yet as much as I could at the moment.
• 22:29
  I obviously I couldn't understand half the stuff.
• 22:32
  I was listening to in the beginning and then the More.
• 22:34
  I learned the more I can iterate on this message, but I kind of
• 22:38
  understand how I'm starting to realize that like, that is the,
• 22:42
  the learning curve. That is the hurdle.
• 22:44
  And I really do believe that like, Bitcoin is fundamentally
• 22:47
  pretty easy by. You just need to hold Bitcoin.
• 22:50
  So I'm very much the same way as you like, I'm a Hands-On type of
• 22:53
  person. I, you know, I, I can read a
• 22:55
  book and I have to read like three or four times before
• 22:59
  before like the information really settles in, but I, I'm,
• 23:03
  I'm Starting to wonder, like do you think that people can
• 23:07
  understand Bitcoin simply by just holding Bitcoin by like not
• 23:11
  selling it by simply just experiencing Bitcoin without
• 23:14
  having to do the whole 40 hours? You know, hundred hours?
• 23:18
  Thousands of hours of education. Do you think that front?
• 23:22
  Just I'm trying to get in the mind of the average person out
• 23:24
  there? And you know, like the person in
• 23:27
  the rat race, probably doesn't have the time or rather the
• 23:30
  energy. The creative juices to study
• 23:32
  something else. But if we get Bitcoin into their
• 23:36
  hands and they just, you know, basically listen to the mantras
• 23:39
  of like, stay, humble Stacks adds huddled these Bitcoins?
• 23:42
  Do you think over time, they will become bitcoiners or do
• 23:46
  they have to learn about Bitcoin like we we did?
• 23:51
  Yeah. So it's a really broad answer
• 23:54
  because it's going to be a little different for every
• 23:56
  person, but I would say it in this way, right?
• 23:58
  Based on the way you pose, the question they have to first have
• 24:02
  a reason to want To hold some a novelty, you know, it was a gift
• 24:07
  and they want to cherish it or they want to see if it goes
• 24:09
  anywhere. You know, the testing the
• 24:11
  waters. So like a kind of depends on
• 24:13
  with the the reason they're even willing to have it in the first
• 24:16
  place. And I think that would tie into
• 24:18
  how aggressive they would be to want to require more depending
• 24:21
  on their analysis after they get some.
• 24:24
  And so, it's not just going to happen by osmosis because they
• 24:27
  won't learn anything. Unless they stay plugged in,
• 24:29
  they have to, they have to be exposed to new information as to
• 24:33
  what Bitcoin is it. Why it matters?
• 24:35
  If all they look at is the price, they'll only be happy if
• 24:37
  the price is going up, so that's not going to help them.
• 24:41
  Hold on to that Bitcoin for the long time.
• 24:42
  Even if they hearing a few memes about howling and stuff like
• 24:45
  that, if they don't know why they're highly, you know, those
• 24:48
  that we can. So those are the ones that sell
• 24:50
  Panic, whatever, they don't believe in it, they lose faith.
• 24:53
  It just depends, I think ultimately that your faith grows
• 24:57
  with your knowledge. So the more you know, about any
• 24:59
  aspect of it coin, every aspect any aspect, it will improve your
• 25:04
  Ability to hop and not you know not like going when the price
• 25:07
  goes down, like it has, you know, 69,000 down to 15 or
• 25:10
  something. That's a, that's a huge ring.
• 25:12
  A lot of people are like, mocking us for like talking
• 25:15
  Bitcoin up at any time, even when it was like 3 Grand or
• 25:19
  whatever number from years ago, when I started, you know, those
• 25:23
  people who will remember you know they could look at it.
• 25:26
  Well it so it's never going back to, you know, 69 or higher.
• 25:29
  I'm like yeah. How do you know, you know, do
• 25:31
  you own any do pay attention, you know, those are the people.
• 25:34
  They have no idea, they see a chart, they see a price went up
• 25:38
  and came down, and okay, it's never going back.
• 25:40
  What? Why like this?
• 25:42
  So like there's a lot of misinformation is a lot of
• 25:45
  whatever, you know, people don't know.
• 25:47
  And that's what I think in the long run if they're going to
• 25:49
  hold it. If they're going to realize why
• 25:51
  they should hold it, they are going to learn some additional
• 25:53
  amount of information, will they ever get to your, my technical
• 25:57
  level knowledge, or whatever, and mine's not even nearly as
• 25:59
  deep as many people, you know, for most people?
• 26:03
  No, no way. Of people and over over a longer
• 26:06
  period of time as Society. Just adopts.
• 26:07
  This as money, people will start to use Bitcoin in.
• 26:10
  They'll never care about anything about Bitcoin, it'll
• 26:13
  just be their money. It's like, people don't question
• 26:16
  the dollar now is use it. I don't care where it came from,
• 26:19
  How It's Made. Maybe they get interested to
• 26:21
  watch a documentary about how they make the money but
• 26:23
  otherwise nobody kisses crap. But but we're in a revolution
• 26:26
  here. This is the first time in
• 26:28
  humanity that a new worldwide and I se worldwide because
• 26:32
  there's a literary, World, white gold ended up.
• 26:34
  Worldwide money but it took a long time, right?
• 26:36
  Some do a places in the world that didn't use gold for
• 26:39
  centuries while other people using it that whole time.
• 26:42
  So you know what Bitcoin just happened, 14 years and it's all
• 26:44
  around the world. The humanity has never seen this
• 26:48
  like this is a once-in-a-lifetime thing.
• 26:49
  This monetary Network that's being adopted in real time.
• 26:52
  No one knows really what's going to happen but the economics say
• 26:57
  it's going to each unit will keep growing in its and its
• 26:59
  purchasing power into the future.
• 27:01
  That means that somebody will trade you more goods and
• 27:03
  services. Services for the ability to
• 27:05
  control those digital units on a shared Ledger that's on the
• 27:08
  internet. Now that was a quick summary
• 27:10
  about what Bitcoin actually is and I actually can I take a
• 27:13
  minute and just do like like a summary for boom?
• 27:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it.
• 27:17
  Yeah. So what people don't get is
• 27:20
  Bitcoin is a shared Ledger, right?
• 27:22
  So picture a Excel spreadsheet with a bunch of boxes and
• 27:26
  there's an infinite amount of boxes and we call those
• 27:29
  addresses and in any box, can be any amount of what we call
• 27:32
  Bitcoin and which is simply Digital file, and the
• 27:37
  spreadsheet have like, if you took a picture of it right now,
• 27:41
  you'd have a bunch of boxes with a bunch of Bitcoin in each of
• 27:44
  these different boxes and is millions of them.
• 27:46
  And every 10 minutes, the Bitcoin Network tries to update
• 27:51
  because people want to move these Bitcoin around.
• 27:53
  They want to move them from one box to another, which is the
• 27:55
  equivalent of spending them. So somebody says, you know, I'll
• 27:58
  accept some Bitcoin. They provide me with a box or
• 28:01
  what we call an address, and I can send Cling to it.
• 28:04
  But the network doesn't agree that that the Bitcoin moved from
• 28:08
  me to the other person until everybody updates their copy of
• 28:11
  this ledger. So how do you do that without a
• 28:13
  central person? Well, the people who put Bitcoin
• 28:16
  together, person or people we refer to as Satoshi Nakamoto
• 28:20
  found a way to have anybody on the planet, make changes to The
• 28:26
  Ledger as long as you follow the rules, you can say to the entire
• 28:30
  worldwide Community. Hey, I got a bunch of changes
• 28:33
  and I want to Add them to the entire Ledger.
• 28:35
  And I want everybody to update their copy and the whole network
• 28:38
  says, hold on, we need you to prove something to us.
• 28:42
  We need you to show us a number lower than a target number.
• 28:46
  That's as simple as I can make it.
• 28:48
  And if the person wanting to change the record can do that
• 28:52
  everybody agrees, it's like kind of that simple.
• 28:54
  It's called Bitcoin. Mining miners are guessing
• 28:57
  numbers millions, billions per second, trying to beat a target,
• 29:01
  number set by the system, and if they get it, The changes that
• 29:04
  they want to add to the system. Everybody will accept because
• 29:07
  everybody can canno through cryptography, that they found a
• 29:12
  number that qualifies. And so now, what we have is the
• 29:15
  first time in human history, a triple entry accounting system
• 29:19
  where two people on either side of the transaction, know that
• 29:22
  transaction. But so does everybody else in
• 29:25
  Bitcoin? Your name is not attached to him
• 29:28
  directly but what's interesting is that other people can verify
• 29:33
  all these trans. Actions and know that they're
• 29:35
  all legitimate because everybody can see the same update of the
• 29:38
  same Ledger, and Trust, whoever made the update because they
• 29:42
  followed the rules. And so this is this crazy shared
• 29:45
  Ledger where if you control some files in some of these boxes,
• 29:48
  they can be used as money. People do it every day and you
• 29:52
  can authorize a move to somebody else's box and you can then,
• 29:56
  essentially pay them on this network that no individual
• 29:59
  controls. And so it's a protocol for For
• 30:04
  moving digital files around. And because enough people have
• 30:08
  adopted it, this network is worldwide and now and nobody
• 30:12
  nobody individually or even a group controls it, the rules of
• 30:16
  the network that everybody's adopted and agreed to control
• 30:18
  it. And it's to self-regulating
• 30:21
  network is, I'm not going to get into the depths of that.
• 30:23
  But this, this network actually speeds up and slows down without
• 30:26
  anybody's input. And, and so, it's because of
• 30:29
  these unique features that allows you to be able to trust
• 30:33
  that if On some digital files within the boxes on this Ledger.
• 30:36
  That if somebody sends you some or you want to send somebody
• 30:39
  else some that everybody on the planet is going to agree, that's
• 30:42
  the bottom line. Everybody on the planet is going
• 30:44
  to greet on the state of the monetary network of the entire
• 30:47
  planet. Right now that is not even
• 30:49
  possible. There's not only too many of
• 30:51
  them governments aren't going to tell you, so this changes the
• 30:55
  game for money on this planet and so anybody who's wondering
• 30:57
  about Bitcoin dive deeper into what I just explained and learn
• 31:01
  what this is, man, this is an important concept.
• 31:03
  Kept in the way that money can be used by humans in the shared
• 31:07
  Ledger format over the Internet. So I don't know if I could say
• 31:10
  it any more simply. I hope that wasn't too long or
• 31:12
  too. Complicated, beautiful, hold on,
• 31:21
  love it, love it. Well yeah, I mean, I'm glad you.
• 31:23
  I'm glad you did that because hey, you never know, maybe
• 31:26
  someone is new to Bighorn and just got this interview by
• 31:29
  chance, this conversation by chance and there's still kind of
• 31:32
  confused on why we do. We do.
• 31:34
  But yeah, man. I could have, I could have never
• 31:37
  put it that simply Jim, I love, I love the the metaphor and
• 31:41
  illustration there, but let's get back to something that we
• 31:44
  talked about a little earlier and I have it here in my notes
• 31:47
  as building on a strong Foundation.
• 31:50
  But you kind of mentioned it a little bit ago about how
• 31:54
  something about holding Bitcoin has made.
• 31:57
  You want to be healthier so that you can Usher these SATs.
• 32:00
  Not only not only have you been able to build on a strong
• 32:04
  foundation for your health, but also for your future self, for
• 32:08
  the plans that you have in the future for literally everything
• 32:12
  from, you know, the mental to the body to I can only suppose
• 32:15
  the spiritual and it's all building on the strong
• 32:18
  Foundation a Bitcoin. Because once you opt out of the
• 32:22
  Fiat system and opted to bitcoin, you're no longer in the
• 32:26
  rat race. Like you're no longer on the
• 32:27
  treadmill just just treading water and this there's something
• 32:32
  about it's like there was a meme going around.
• 32:33
  Twitter and it was the idea of like a shit coin.
• 32:37
  Being a piece of Lego, like a Lego piece and Bitcoin being a
• 32:41
  break where you can build Cathedrals and you can build
• 32:44
  something of value that will last for eternity.
• 32:48
  And I don't know, like what better example than you saying
• 32:53
  look, ever since I got in a bit client, I got healthier so that
• 32:56
  I could understood that my life might be longer and I need to
• 33:00
  usher in these sets it and I think it's a part of our duty as
• 33:03
  bit. Corners to not only, you know,
• 33:05
  get better in our in our education but also our body.
• 33:08
  It's like this is our best tool and we're trying to ushering the
• 33:12
  SATs for as long as possible. And now we have the best
• 33:15
  foundation to build on it and it's like I said, in the past
• 33:18
  like having that Bitcoins n where you can finally relax,
• 33:22
  take a deep breath and then refocus your energy into the
• 33:25
  projects and the things that you really want to do it really.
• 33:30
  It's like that's like the life-changing.
• 33:33
  Don't know basic material substance that Bitcoin allows
• 33:38
  for us where it's like your whole life just gets better.
• 33:40
  Because finally, you're no longer as sailor says, you know,
• 33:43
  holding a melting Ice Cube or running in mud or whatever
• 33:47
  illustration you want to put on your finally able to build on
• 33:51
  something for your future and it doesn't rob you and it literally
• 33:54
  changes your psychology and probably rewires or psychology.
• 33:57
  I'm sure there's going to be some tests on on this in the
• 34:00
  future. But I mean you're a living
• 34:02
  example of this I think. Well, maybe, I don't know.
• 34:05
  I mean I definitely think differently because I see the
• 34:09
  world differently. I understand some things that I
• 34:11
  didn't understand before. So, you know, it definitely
• 34:15
  changes. A lot of changes, your
• 34:17
  perspective for sure which, you know, sort of changes who you
• 34:20
  are, right? I mean, I definitely have
• 34:22
  different habits going back to you, mention in the health
• 34:24
  thing, I had, I had wanted to get healthier and I saw, the
• 34:30
  reason was, I saw it in my diminished surfing a These I've
• 34:34
  been surfing my whole life since I'm a teenager and and luckily I
• 34:38
  still surf at my Advanced age but but there was a time there,
• 34:43
  I was I wasn't doing too good and most of my surf sessions
• 34:46
  really sucked and I felt like I was a total loser and I was
• 34:48
  like, waiting what happened? All my my skills and then you
• 34:51
  know I got real and honest with myself when I was looking in the
• 34:54
  mirror one day after a shower and I said, you're a fat old
• 34:56
  man. Look at you.
• 34:57
  That's why you can't serve you with you.
• 34:59
  So you know what are you gonna do?
• 35:01
  You gotta, you gotta fix it or, you know, stuff.
• 35:03
  For a fix it. I was like, no way.
• 35:05
  Am I giving up my surfing? No way.
• 35:07
  So I decided to, you know, start looking into health and I first
• 35:11
  ran across intermittent fasting. So I shrunk my eating window
• 35:15
  down as those eating shit and then I got lucky.
• 35:18
  I'm so one of my orange pill moments was, I was listening to
• 35:23
  a podcast and I and it was somebody said, oh, you got to
• 35:25
  get on Twitter if you want to learn about Bitcoin, you got to
• 35:27
  get on Twitter, gotta follow Twitter people, you know Bitcoin
• 35:30
  people like wow. It's clear.
• 35:31
  What the hell is that? Crap?
• 35:32
  I know I'm an old guy didn't. Do that shit.
• 35:34
  But I said all right I'll get on Twitter.
• 35:36
  Then I start following people. And I learn about this guy P,
• 35:38
  Richard and he's a New Yorker and I was fortunate enough to
• 35:42
  meet him many times in person. It was meetings, I ended up
• 35:44
  going to but this is I think my first time I don't think we had
• 35:47
  ever met. He posts a tweet and says, who
• 35:49
  wants to go to a steak dinner with me and say, 15 in New York
• 35:52
  City? And I look at the time and it
• 35:54
  was like four minutes old. And the guy had like, you know,
• 35:57
  50,000 followers at the time, I'm like, holy crap.
• 36:00
  He just posted that, I gotta, I gotta respond.
• 36:02
  Hey, can I come Um, and I think I might have said, you know, I'm
• 36:06
  close. I'm on Long Island and he's
• 36:08
  like, yeah, you're in. So I was like, wow, I get to go
• 36:10
  to a steak that and savings book was already out the Bitcoin,
• 36:13
  standard suppose, like, holy shit, I get to go to dinner with
• 36:15
  these guys and then it'll be like 12 of us with safe and
• 36:18
  safety and Pierre. And she was my point would be
• 36:24
  about, I think it was the kind of War story that you told.
• 36:28
  Thank you. Damn it.
• 36:29
  She's about yea. Alright, so it's at a steak
• 36:31
  restaurant, it's a steak dinner as they grow And I don't know
• 36:34
  about this whole carnivore, diet thing, there you go, Bitcoin
• 36:38
  standard. I don't know about condoms, I
• 36:40
  don't even know. I've never even heard of what
• 36:43
  that was. And safety was already a
• 36:45
  carnivore. And so, during the course of the
• 36:47
  dinner, everybody got orange pill.
• 36:49
  Hold on, Carnival eating, but we're ready calcium.
• 36:51
  I already love steak, so I didn't care, but it do be down
• 36:54
  that rabbit hole. Do to learn more about that and
• 36:57
  then that totally changed my life because it totally changed
• 37:00
  my health. And I learned that excess
• 37:03
  carbohydrates. It's all the other problem
• 37:04
  processed foods and Seed oils are the problem and a very you
• 37:10
  know, ancestral appropriate. Human diet is going to be a
• 37:13
  Whole Foods. Animal Foods, protein and fat
• 37:17
  and probably for many people, some carbs, but they're going to
• 37:20
  be in the form of fruits or vegetables.
• 37:22
  They're not going to be, you know, Cheerios something right.
• 37:25
  You know, potato chips, or beer or any of the things that are
• 37:28
  carbs that are just empty cars. Make people fat and inflamed and
• 37:31
  ruin your health. And so you know when I was
• 37:33
  looking in the mirror at the Battle guy that couldn't surf
• 37:34
  anymore. I realize it's because my shitty
• 37:36
  diet and I had to stop eating. A lot of the stuff I loved A
• 37:39
  friend of mine and I used to refer to Pizza as vitamin P and
• 37:42
  you had to get some everyday. And I pretty much ate pizza
• 37:45
  every day for decades and now I eat pizza like three times a
• 37:49
  year or something like that because I still love it.
• 37:51
  But it's bad for me. Well, you and your wife well and
• 37:55
  it's such good. Deeds in New York, holy shit.
• 37:57
  They're freaking individual private pizzerias all over Long
• 38:01
  Island where I live, really good ones.
• 38:03
  Like, you'll never hear about them.
• 38:05
  It's not Papa, John's chain all over the country, it's just Mom
• 38:07
  and Pop to know how to make a really good pizza and they're
• 38:09
  everywhere. But yeah, I just don't go
• 38:12
  anymore, man. All the regular pizzerias that
• 38:14
  used to see me probably think I died because I never go back,
• 38:17
  but whatever. And I'm way healthier now, to, I
• 38:19
  still go by, can see the guy flipping pizzas, in, through the
• 38:21
  window and he's still big and fat and I'm not anymore.
• 38:24
  I'm like, all right. Well, it's Korea.
• 38:27
  Would be. That's what you get.
• 38:28
  Yeah. So yeah, Bitcoin totally changed
• 38:30
  my health, you know, and I met some cool new friends.
• 38:32
  I'm friends with those guys. Now, It's great and they really
• 38:35
  great people in their super smart.
• 38:37
  So anybody who doesn't Nokia Richard follow him on Twitter
• 38:40
  and say 15 a moose but 100% I wouldn't be here without a
• 38:43
  Pierre and B teens noted podcast, those guys so that's
• 38:47
  one. That's one of the signal that I
• 38:50
  had that I had to download to get to this point but you
• 38:54
  mentioned surfing and it wouldn't be, it wouldn't I
• 38:57
  wouldn't have done this this pot Justice.
• 39:00
  If we didn't bring this to surfing at some point of this
• 39:03
  conversation, Ian. I to also grew up in the ocean
• 39:06
  II. Don't even remember the first
• 39:07
  time I was ever in the ocean. Like, that's how long I've been
• 39:10
  in the ocean. I don't remember learning how to
• 39:12
  surf because I've always been in the water as far as I can.
• 39:16
  Remember, I've been in the ocean and I'm going to take this in
• 39:19
  two directions and then I'm will also lead it into a third
• 39:24
  Direction, but the first one is before Bitcoin.
• 39:28
  I kind of consider myself a surf bum.
• 39:30
  I didn't want to do anything but go to the beach.
• 39:32
  I just wanted to check Get signed go to the beach look at
• 39:35
  girls in bikinis and just do that until I got old and then
• 39:41
  you know life happened to gets a little hard.
• 39:43
  I've told this story before and you start to re-evaluate your
• 39:46
  life and then I found Bitcoin and it literally changed
• 39:51
  everything about me. It changed my motivation.
• 39:54
  It changed my outlook into the future and I still you know hope
• 39:59
  to one day have the the American dream white picket Fence but
• 40:04
  it's obviously going to be near the ocean.
• 40:06
  This is that's that's just how I was raised, you know, this is
• 40:08
  where I come from, but I've heard you say this in the past
• 40:11
  and I totally agree of this and I never really thought of it in
• 40:14
  this in this Frame. But the, the proof-of-work
• 40:18
  lifestyle of being a surfer, like, it looks so easy.
• 40:21
  When you watch people surf, you know, it looks at you.
• 40:24
  See people on the wage like, man, that looks so nice.
• 40:27
  It's so it looks so easy. Look, so Majestic and then you
• 40:29
  get on the wave and it's a lot more difficult than you.
• 40:33
  Ever imagined. And then you kind of understand
• 40:36
  and I say it all the time proof of work is a lifestyle
• 40:38
  philosophy. And by that, we mean, and maybe
• 40:40
  this goes back to the question. I asked you earlier about, can
• 40:43
  people learn Bitcoin through osmosis, it's like, you need to
• 40:46
  put in that work to become a better Surfer.
• 40:49
  You need to put in that work, to become better at anything in
• 40:51
  life. And it's just, it's just very
• 40:54
  interesting that once you understand this proof of work
• 40:57
  philosophy. This point of view, you can
• 41:00
  literally take that into every aspect of your life and your
• 41:03
  Like okay. How about I put in the work to
• 41:05
  become a better, whatever better blank, and any aspect of your
• 41:08
  life, whether it's, You Know, Better Health better Fitness,
• 41:11
  better education, you know, better, you know, hobby project,
• 41:15
  whatever it is, and I always break it down into, have I put
• 41:20
  in the work, am I putting in the right work?
• 41:21
  Not only, you know, putting in the hours, but am I putting in
• 41:25
  the work correctly? Like the meme don't work harder,
• 41:27
  work smarter. And I know, I know you
• 41:30
  understand this because I've literally stole this meme from
• 41:33
  you. The Proof of work behind surfing
• 41:35
  is really. I mean and I don't want to say
• 41:38
  it's you know, that the Pinnacle of every other human sports or
• 41:43
  what have you or any other human Endeavors.
• 41:45
  But it really is in my opinion. One of the most majestic things
• 41:49
  that humans ever done. Like I can only imagine Lena the
• 41:51
  first person to ever want to go. Surfing is like the same idea of
• 41:54
  like the cryptography forefathers before Bitcoin, that
• 41:58
  were like, all right, we're going to make a digital money.
• 42:01
  Going to be digitally scarce and you know, through Ooh, the
• 42:04
  reiterations overtime. So till she comes out and just
• 42:06
  rides that perfect wave and here we are, and we're just like
• 42:10
  ripples with that. Like, that's a good it.
• 42:14
  I know you can talk about the proof of work lifestyle because
• 42:16
  you're living it. And I think this is one of the
• 42:19
  things that I try to explain to people.
• 42:22
  The most is, like, look, what do you want out of life?
• 42:24
  Like put in the work and then by you putting in the work and you
• 42:27
  being a shining example of being a better person, other people
• 42:31
  will want what you want. And those ripples will Just
• 42:34
  continuously Ripple out, new people will spark new people and
• 42:37
  more people will spark, you know, New Movement.
• 42:39
  And here we are and we're all going to be riding the Bitcoin
• 42:43
  wave Cycles after cycles and going into Infinity as number go
• 42:48
  up. Yeah man.
• 42:50
  Yeah. So all right.
• 42:50
  Do you want me to address that whole proof-of-work?
• 42:53
  Jump it, jump it. So when I was learning about
• 42:57
  Bitcoin, my third touch, I was listening to a podcast and a
• 43:00
  woman described, the Bitcoin system as a system you could
• 43:03
  Trust that trusting the people that are using it and I built an
• 43:07
  entire business. Now, over 30 years in
• 43:10
  construction based entirely on trust because I work on a
• 43:14
  Barrier Island, caught fire around in the people whose homes
• 43:16
  I work on, are never there when I work on them so they have to
• 43:18
  trust that I'm not corners. And along time ago, I started
• 43:22
  sending photographs the people so they could see their work was
• 43:24
  getting done before digital photography and then I started
• 43:27
  emailing as a as a proof of work that they could see.
• 43:30
  I was getting it done and it's that The thing that builds a
• 43:34
  reputation and allows you to have like a, you know, a
• 43:38
  business that last set of reputation that you know people
• 43:41
  want to give you a name out of me for all those years.
• 43:43
  I really never advertise. I constantly get worked from
• 43:47
  word of mouth because people are happy with the work I do.
• 43:49
  But I also approve it. I show them that I'm doing the
• 43:51
  work, I show them inside the wall before I close it up that
• 43:54
  you know, things got repaired, whatever it might be, whatever
• 43:56
  the scope of the job is. And when it comes to surfing
• 44:01
  that bullying, people that say they can surf until You paddle
• 44:04
  out with them and you know you tell they haven't put in the
• 44:07
  work. So like so the crazy thing about
• 44:09
  surf is what makes it so hard ultimately is because the
• 44:13
  playing field is moving, I can't think of another sport where the
• 44:16
  playing field is also moving along with you and maybe some
• 44:20
  apparatus like, you know, like a bicycle you're on or in this
• 44:23
  case a surfboard or, you know, a ball, you're manipulating, you
• 44:26
  know. So this is other moving objects
• 44:28
  but the playing field like I don't know, I can't think of
• 44:29
  another Sport and so like, you don't get like condition.
• 44:33
  To learn on that are always the same.
• 44:36
  Now there's a handful of exceptions in the world certain
• 44:38
  surf spots in the world are having to get consistent waves,
• 44:41
  that are actually very much the same a lot of days where as a
• 44:44
  place where like where I live, waves are very different and
• 44:48
  very infrequent. So it becomes much harder to
• 44:50
  learn because can just go next Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. when
• 44:53
  you're off from work or something.
• 44:55
  You have to go when the waves are provided.
• 44:57
  And so you have to put in the frickin work if you're going to
• 45:00
  ride a wave and actually right away and you don't even have to
• 45:03
  do it. Good with even just to get to
• 45:04
  your feet and ride the wave, without crashing takes quite a
• 45:08
  while. I mean, if you're really good
• 45:10
  months, you know, the average person not going to learn in a
• 45:13
  day. I mean, again, unless you at one
• 45:15
  of these places like Waikiki in Hawaii, almost anybody can learn
• 45:18
  to surf there in a day, believe it or not, but it's not like
• 45:21
  full-on surfing. You're riding a little tiny bump
• 45:23
  straight towards the beach. It's surfing but not really but
• 45:27
  you know, really surfing at any halfway, decent level.
• 45:31
  You got to put in a good amount of time and any Who's done it,
• 45:34
  can easily spot. The people who haven't, it's
• 45:37
  just not that hard at this, not that good.
• 45:38
  They haven't figured it out. And you know, like so there's
• 45:41
  principles involved like the waves moving towards the beach
• 45:43
  at a certain speed, you have to figure that out.
• 45:46
  You have to align with nature. You don't have a choice, you
• 45:50
  have to balance with the, with the shape of the wave.
• 45:52
  You have to turn your board with the fin configuration and the
• 45:55
  outline shape of the board. It's going to it's going to
• 45:57
  operate in the wave face different than a board of a
• 45:59
  different shape. All these things you have to
• 46:01
  have to feel, you have to learn and it just takes a lot of Time.
• 46:03
  But there's little physics. Involved is actual you know,
• 46:07
  stuff that you don't get to control.
• 46:09
  And a little bit like in Bitcoin.
• 46:11
  Like, you know, the protocol is there, it's going to operate.
• 46:14
  Whether you agree or not, whether you join or don't, but
• 46:17
  if you want to get Bitcoin or like when we talk of her proof
• 46:20
  of work in Bitcoin which you reference but we didn't explain
• 46:23
  it to anybody who's listening for the first time.
• 46:25
  Proof-of-work happens to do with that, what I referenced earlier.
• 46:28
  This thing called mining where people can alter The Ledger and
• 46:32
  everybody agrees. But in, they're altering of The
• 46:34
  Ledger. And in there, guessing that
• 46:37
  special. Number they've expended
• 46:39
  electricity, everybody on the network.
• 46:41
  Can verify that that's true or they couldn't have gotten that
• 46:44
  special number. And in a reward for that, they
• 46:47
  get brand-new Bitcoin that are birthed into the system.
• 46:49
  That's what incentivizes people to do this, because they believe
• 46:52
  they're going to get some Bitcoin, that's gonna have some
• 46:54
  value into the future. And so, you know, this is all
• 46:57
  part of what we call a proof of work that is these guys that are
• 47:02
  adding changes to To this shared worldwide Ledger are getting
• 47:06
  rewarded in Bitcoin because they went out, ran a bunch of
• 47:09
  computers and proved that they spent money on electricity
• 47:13
  because they got this number and everybody recognizes it takes
• 47:16
  off shit, ton of electricity to get that number billions of
• 47:19
  guesses. So this is really interesting
• 47:21
  concept, but nobody can make money in this system without
• 47:24
  working for it. That's the bottom line.
• 47:27
  The people that create Fiat money in this world.
• 47:29
  Don't do any work. They push a button on computer
• 47:31
  and they get it for free and that Completely unfair system
• 47:35
  and of course every time they add units to the system which
• 47:38
  they've done over the past 12 years, I should Tony units, you
• 47:41
  get inflation right and everybody suffers in the Bitcoin
• 47:44
  Network there's no number of units will never be more than 21
• 47:47
  million. Everybody knows that the issue
• 47:48
  with rate is already set of you knows how many new ones are
• 47:50
  going to show up every day. Roughly, there was a little
• 47:53
  fluctuation, I'm not going to get into it.
• 47:54
  But that's goes back to the self-adjusting mechanism, I
• 47:57
  talked to before but roughly every 10 minutes right now, six
• 48:00
  and a quarter of new Bitcoin show up every day.
• 48:03
  So Roughly 900 a day and that's going to keep going for about
• 48:06
  another year and then that's going to get cut in half.
• 48:08
  And this is part of the issue and schedule and everybody knows
• 48:10
  that's coming and all of a sudden.
• 48:12
  Those people trying to get those Bitcoin, they get half as much
• 48:14
  for the same amount of work and that will readjust a network a
• 48:18
  little bit and we can go deeper and deeper.
• 48:19
  But let's continue. Continue my friends, love it, I
• 48:22
  love it. There's a few points that you
• 48:25
  mention in regards to surfing and I instantly obviously I'm a
• 48:29
  bit corner. All I think about is Bitcoin and
• 48:31
  I related it to the Fiats In the first one you said, is, when
• 48:35
  you're learning to serve, the playing field is constantly
• 48:37
  moving. And my initial thought was like,
• 48:40
  oh, that's just like Fiat, you know, the rules are always
• 48:42
  changing and games, all right? Like that's always like, it's
• 48:47
  always something new. There's always a new rule, you
• 48:49
  know, that's always new inflation.
• 48:51
  There's always a new law new taxes.
• 48:53
  And it's like, the game is always changing.
• 48:55
  And then, the next one. And this is something I talk
• 48:57
  about all the time, and it's what you said, you know, when
• 49:00
  you're surfing, like, you got a line with nature.
• 49:03
  And in my opinion, new Bitcoin is is natural money.
• 49:07
  Maybe that's not like the actual dictionary definition of it.
• 49:12
  But as we say, you know, proof-of-work is literally
• 49:16
  connected to Nature. And now our money is backed by
• 49:19
  energy. And I always say to people just
• 49:23
  like, aligned with the network aligned with energy, aligned
• 49:27
  with the with nature, and your life will get better, like you
• 49:31
  will get blessed and Fiat. With a fair system.
• 49:35
  Exactly. And Fiat is a monstrosity and
• 49:37
  it's so detached from reality. Hey, we got a yellow wants us to
• 49:44
  say, hey guys, say something on live on DSP space, that people
• 49:47
  can hear you. Don't start believing faces.
• 49:50
  That's it. That is, oh yeah.
• 49:51
  All right. You love for you know.
• 50:20
  that's another essentially, another confirmation when we
• 50:23
  when we say a confirmation we're talking about, you know, did
• 50:26
  your transaction get in a block and then once there's another
• 50:30
  block, that's another like confirmation on top of the first
• 50:33
  one, the first Block that you ended up in and then your
• 50:35
  transaction stays in that block forever and every block that
• 50:38
  gets and is essentially another confirmation.
• 50:40
  Yes, it gets deeper and deeper into gets more and more secure.
• 50:45
  All right, Jim, I love it, love it.
• 50:46
  But before we go on, I want to tell you this personally live on
• 50:51
  the space, but we got a really cool comment on the are
• 50:54
  personally live on the YouTube but we got a cool comment on the
• 50:56
  space. This by Steve be an ego Surfer.
• 50:59
  Jim, I am the same age as you. I've got some extra pounds to
• 51:02
  lose and you have inspired me to finally lose them once and for
• 51:06
  all I've been procrastinating for the past few years.
• 51:08
  It has to be done. Thank you.
• 51:11
  So awesome. Little time.
• 51:12
  The proof of work mess. It is helping people out there
• 51:16
  and I got two more questions. I told you I'd only take an hour
• 51:19
  of your time tonight. We might, you know, might go a
• 51:21
  little over an hour but I think the first one has to do on, of
• 51:27
  course, another cliche on surfing and I said earlier, it's
• 51:32
  on surfing the Bitcoin, waves or surfing the Bitcoin Cycles.
• 51:35
  I know you've been around Bitcoin for for a few years.
• 51:39
  I think you've been in a couple years before me, and we're just
• 51:43
  in another Bear market so well number go up.
• 51:47
  Phil gym. Like will we see all of our
• 51:52
  dreams get filled? Because I know there's people
• 51:55
  out there that are that are concerned.
• 51:57
  Obviously, you know, you know where what I view.
• 52:00
  I put all my eggs into this basket so obviously we are go.
• 52:06
  You know, I probably wouldn't be on this show, if I didn't
• 52:09
  believe that the value of Bitcoin is going to keep going
• 52:12
  up, you know, and I've said it a number of times.
• 52:14
  Already. So, essentially answered the
• 52:15
  question already because it boils down to the way it works,
• 52:19
  it boils down to the scarce nature and it goes back to the
• 52:23
  theory of money, money became money because humans figured out
• 52:26
  a way to transfer value. But it only worked.
• 52:30
  If the item you doing, the transfer was fairly scarce, and
• 52:34
  then it had to have a few other qualities is what you learn and
• 52:36
  learning about their history when he should have
• 52:39
  transportability verifiability. It should be fungible.
• 52:44
  Means one unit is like the other, like, any other unit,
• 52:47
  which what would humans figured out and scarcity?
• 52:49
  One of the biggest things, it can't be a lot of its and
• 52:51
  doesn't make a good money. Anybody can go get some at the
• 52:53
  beach, right? But something like gold does
• 52:56
  because it's a, it's a precious metal, in the sense that it
• 52:58
  doesn't rot away. So, it lasts for a long period
• 53:00
  of time. There's not a lot of, it takes a
• 53:03
  lot of work to get it and that gives it value like gold has
• 53:07
  proof of work behind it. Gold doesn't show up on the
• 53:09
  earth and let somebody went and dug it out, which meant somebody
• 53:12
  put work behind it, so it immediately gets value.
• 53:14
  That's why Bitcoin has value immediately because somebody put
• 53:17
  work into it by spending electricity to add changes to
• 53:21
  that shared ledger. So, so, wait, what was the
• 53:24
  original question? How did you phrase it?
• 53:26
  I'm sorry. Well, number go up.
• 53:29
  That was a number of God. Yes.
• 53:30
  Thank something about surfing the Bitcoin, wait times and
• 53:33
  whatnot. I want to reference, you know
• 53:36
  what. So basically now all these
• 53:38
  features about the way Bitcoin works and economics and money
• 53:42
  lead you to understand that because This is the way this
• 53:44
  system has been bootstrapped over 14 years and I will say it
• 53:47
  this way on purpose, because when it was young, it could have
• 53:50
  been destroyed. It could have been co-opted.
• 53:52
  It could have been broken. It might not have gotten to
• 53:54
  where it is today. But once you learn the history,
• 53:56
  you realize, at this point that it's not likely to ever go away.
• 54:00
  It's kind of impossible to shut down this worldwide Network at
• 54:02
  this point. So once you understand a bunch
• 54:05
  of really key features about Bitcoin, it's hard to imagine
• 54:08
  that the value of each unit won't go up.
• 54:10
  It just is because it's just got too many benefits.
• 54:13
  For human beings. And so as creatures that are
• 54:17
  constantly looking out for our own best interest, everybody
• 54:21
  does this, we all make millions of decisions every day to remove
• 54:24
  current and future uneasiness from our lives, even as simple
• 54:28
  as shifting in your chair, because your butt hurts.
• 54:30
  All right? So we make these decisions
• 54:31
  because we're either uncomfortable now, or we don't
• 54:33
  want to be uncomfortable in the future.
• 54:35
  And once you understand about storing your value, what you go
• 54:38
  to work for the money that you earn.
• 54:40
  Once you realize that you could store that value in Bitcoin, you
• 54:44
  Realize that, you know, you got to make some adjustments in your
• 54:47
  life. You got to, you got to figure
• 54:49
  this, you know, it's a way to save your value into the future.
• 54:52
  And the idea is that because the way the system works your, you
• 54:56
  can put some value in it at current purchasing price, you
• 54:59
  know what, you know, 100,000 what would that buy you today?
• 55:01
  And that same amount of satoshi's or fractions of a
• 55:04
  Bitcoin is likely to buy you much more than the equivalent of
• 55:08
  100,000 the future. And so you're saving this your
• 55:11
  hard-earned productivity out into the future.
• 55:13
  So yeah, well, number go up. I think pretty much guarantee
• 55:17
  that, you know, nothing's guaranteed.
• 55:18
  But, yeah, kind of, I think it is, I think it's good.
• 55:20
  It's ours, BTS is not Financial advice.
• 55:23
  I'm sorry, folks. Bitcoin goes towards personal
• 55:36
  human nature. Like everybody who gets involved
• 55:38
  in, Bitcoin is incentivized to act in a way that will not break
• 55:42
  the coin right now. So that's That's like a kind of
• 55:44
  important understanding like everything sent device to make
• 55:48
  it keep working and that's why he keeps working and that's why
• 55:51
  it's going to keep working because there's no good reason
• 55:54
  to break the system. Honestly, if you could hack the
• 55:57
  system and steal someone's Bitcoin your Bitcoin you just
• 55:59
  stolen just got worth nothing. So what's the point, right?
• 56:03
  Like like people would want to try and steal like you can steal
• 56:06
  someone's Bitcoin as long as you didn't break the network.
• 56:09
  So you can find someone's password, their private key and
• 56:12
  steal a bit but that's not the same.
• 56:13
  Same as breaking the Bitcoin protocol.
• 56:15
  If you were to go out and break the Bitcoin protocol so that you
• 56:18
  could like create Bitcoin out of thin air or somehow steal,
• 56:21
  someone's Bitcoin without knowing their private key or
• 56:23
  some weird way to break the network, then the Bitcoin you
• 56:25
  just stole is worthless and so is the entire network.
• 56:28
  So as long as it can resist that attack, it's going to keep going
• 56:32
  up in value. I mean like there's just no
• 56:34
  stopping and I'm sorry, love it and financial advice.
• 56:37
  Okay, well I got a still got the soundboard and it's going up
• 56:41
  forever. Laura so There you go.
• 56:45
  Last question. Last question Jim and I think
• 56:50
  this is a question that I'm going to ask everyone that comes
• 56:52
  on here. Now I think it's a great way to
• 56:55
  wrap up this conversation and and furthermore put a pin on
• 57:01
  everything that we talked about. So I've asked us before and I'm
• 57:04
  going to continue to ask this is Bitcoin, the greatest invention
• 57:07
  ever? Oh yeah, no it's not an
• 57:08
  invention those to Discovery. Let's go.
• 57:11
  So let me just you know, my My crazy ass perspective on that
• 57:15
  nothing's invented. Everything is discovered right?
• 57:18
  Somebody gets curious. What would happen if I did that?
• 57:21
  And they discover what would happen, right?
• 57:23
  That's it. People discovered math, they
• 57:27
  discovered the concept of numbers.
• 57:28
  They discovered digital circuits, everybody.
• 57:31
  Everything's just built on another Discovery by some
• 57:34
  curiosity, and then they called an invention because somebody
• 57:37
  rearranged some molecules on the planet.
• 57:40
  Like the molecules were already here, right?
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  And now they're in a different Shape and you call it an
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  invention. Now, you just discovered a new
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  rearrangement of something that does something different.
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  That was always going to happen. By the way, the physics of that
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  had nothing to do with you. You just happen to be the guy
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  who thought of it and showed the world that it.
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  It's out there. That's it.
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  That's all it is. Everything is the Discovery,
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  sorry. But it's the most important
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  Discovery, you know, of humanistic.
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  And let me tell you why, okay? All right, so money as a
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  construct is, Is human invented. There is no natural money.
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  Money is a construct that got turned into things, right?
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  The best thing we found to turn it into before Bitcoin was gold,
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  but then humans figured out how to co-opt the gold and turn it
• 58:29
  into the paper and then make tons of it and then he base it
• 58:31
  and do all the things they did. But because humans invented the
• 58:35
  construct of money, we were able to move from a barter Society to
• 58:39
  a specialized a society where everybody could do one thing,
• 58:41
  but still get everything else they might want.
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  By this intermediate intermediary thing called money.
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  So money also is known as what's goes by something that we call
• 58:51
  the most saleable good. So with money, you can buy
• 58:54
  anything and with anything you can buy money.
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  So money is exchangeable for all goods and all services.
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  And so it's in the middle of every trade and it allows people
• 59:03
  to specialize and then therefore new things get invented or
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  discovered because somebody goes off into some part of the world
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  and thinks of how to use natural resources in a way nobody else
• 59:13
  did in there. All of a sudden new invention,
• 59:15
  right? So the world prospered, we have
• 59:19
  everything around us because somebody thought of it and then
• 59:22
  created it and they created it with the help of money without
• 59:26
  money. We would still be living in
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  little tribes, you know, with fires around the cooking of food
• 59:32
  around the campfire, whatever, because you can expand and lift,
• 59:35
  people could specialize and you can't specialized easily if you
• 59:38
  have to barter. So money, transform all of
• 59:40
  humanity. So that's money.
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  The concept of the country. The money was the most important
• 59:46
  thing that humans ever conceived of because it gave us all the
• 59:49
  prosperity we get to enjoy and future and for the future, now
• 59:52
  the best form of money therefore then by definition becomes the
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  most important Discovery in all of human history and I believe
• 59:58
  Bitcoin is that best more money. So to me, the question is the
• 1:00:01
  most important Discovery in all of human history.
• 1:00:04
  It helps everybody equally and fairly that's it, right?
• 1:00:08
  Like, how can you argue with something like that?
• 1:00:10
  That's really cool. That's like really cool.
• 1:00:12
  Sorry. But whatever, That's my take.
• 1:00:20
  Like I told you I was going to keep it around an hour
• 1:00:23
  obviously, you and I could probably talk for at least
• 1:00:26
  another one or two, even probably three hours about this.
• 1:00:29
  But man, I really appreciate this.
• 1:00:31
  I had a great time. I hope that you guys out there
• 1:00:33
  got some, not only inspiration but also motivation to be a
• 1:00:39
  better person. So Jim.
• 1:00:41
  What are you working on? What do you want people?
• 1:00:43
  Now that you're doing, I got your Twitter here.
• 1:00:45
  So if people want to follow you, but I don't know how about last
• 1:00:48
  words of advice and then we can roll this one out.
• 1:00:51
  All right. Get rid of that pot belly, will
• 1:00:52
  you fat old men? It's not that hard.
• 1:00:54
  Get rid of the carbs, it'll just melt away.
• 1:00:56
  You don't even have to do a lot of extra exercise.
• 1:00:58
  I promise. Just don't eat a lot of carbs.
• 1:01:00
  That's like the main thing. What am I doing?
• 1:01:03
  I'm still trying to go surfing as much as possible, but it's
• 1:01:05
  freaking cold in New York right now, so it's not fun.
• 1:01:08
  So, I don't surf much. I actually took up skateboarding
• 1:01:10
  again, which is crazy for a guy, my age, but I can still do that.
• 1:01:13
  Okay. But many people know that I'm
• 1:01:16
  working on the Long Island stuff Park, which is now branded Crest
• 1:01:20
  Surf Clubs, we're building a giant wave pool here on Long
• 1:01:24
  Island. Are you going to be able to
• 1:01:24
  serve seven foot waves all year round?
• 1:01:28
  So that's a project. I've been involved with for
• 1:01:30
  seven years. Now, I'm also involved in a
• 1:01:32
  project in Baja to build a off-grid to self sustainable
• 1:01:36
  community of bitcoiners. We have a telegram Channel with
• 1:01:38
  over 50. People in it, from around the
• 1:01:40
  world. My good friend, Jimmy goes by
• 1:01:42
  crypto Zorro on Twitter. It's his it's his vision.
• 1:01:46
  He owns the land and we're in the process of figuring out how
• 1:01:50
  to make it a giant community property that you know,
• 1:01:53
  Community Center all built around, education, sound money,
• 1:01:57
  self-sustainability, our own livestock everything, our own,
• 1:02:01
  you know, water, electric, everything.
• 1:02:04
  So I think it's be pretty excited because, you know, in
• 1:02:06
  the latter half the latter part of my life.
• 1:02:08
  I don't want to live in New York anymore, it's you call the
• 1:02:10
  rather be in Baja, a mile off the ocean, you know, paddle out.
• 1:02:13
  Every day in baggies or whatever.
• 1:02:15
  So yeah, I'm looking forward to that in my future and then, you
• 1:02:20
  know, just on the, on the bigger thing.
• 1:02:21
  Like, I mentioned earlier, I've been a Contractor Building
• 1:02:23
  custom homes for over 30 years and I'm ready to stop doing that
• 1:02:26
  and devote my life to bitcoin education.
• 1:02:28
  I have no specific plans to start a school or anything, but
• 1:02:33
  just doing this kind of stuff. I just like talking about it and
• 1:02:35
  helping people understand it. And I'm pretty much going to
• 1:02:38
  just devote my life to helping people understand what I see.
• 1:02:41
  And, you know, see if they can see it as well.
• 1:02:43
  And hopefully they benefit like I'm not doing this because I
• 1:02:46
  want to get rich. I'm doing this.
• 1:02:47
  Other planet gets better. Honestly, I'm doing it for my
• 1:02:50
  heirs. The people that I love that are
• 1:02:51
  going to be here after I'm gone, you know, and I would love to
• 1:02:55
  see the planet start to get better.
• 1:02:56
  I watched it, get worse in my lifetime and it's hard to
• 1:02:58
  believe. I didn't think that would
• 1:03:00
  happen. Last two years where a sober
• 1:03:02
  reminder, that people are nuts and they can destroy the world
• 1:03:04
  pretty quick. If you give the wrong people too
• 1:03:06
  much power which is the current case.
• 1:03:08
  And I will say it's because they control the money and once they
• 1:03:11
  can't control the money. If everybody gets on a Bitcoin,
• 1:03:13
  Standard all the shit. We just saw the last 22 years
• 1:03:15
  that goes away, people aren't going to be pushing you around
• 1:03:18
  telling you where freaking mask or take some chemicals.
• 1:03:20
  You don't want to take anything can happen under a Bitcoin stand
• 1:03:23
  it. So everybody needs to get on
• 1:03:24
  board and get some frickin Bitcoin and disenfranchised.
• 1:03:27
  These bastards that are screw in the world over right now.
• 1:03:29
  All those people in that Davos right now anybody got a bomb you
• 1:03:33
  can drop all those people. We just need to get rid of all
• 1:03:35
  the dancers destroyed in the world.
• 1:03:37
  Those parasites. They suck those people, man.
• 1:03:40
  That's what I got 5,000 armed guards, around the whole place.
• 1:03:43
  They We all know, there are freaking big ass Target man.
• 1:03:46
  They got a lot of enemies out and work.
• 1:03:47
  Those people are freaking evil Evo.
• 1:03:51
  All right, can confirm hold on. Yeah, listen.
• 1:03:56
  All right. Wow.
• 1:03:58
  Well Jim I thoroughly enjoyed this.
• 1:04:01
  I think the people enjoyed this as well.
• 1:04:03
  So just hang out for a second behind the scenes.
• 1:04:06
  As I roll this one out and and then and then we can have her
• 1:04:10
  night. So Guys, I hope you enjoyed
• 1:04:14
  this. We are going to continue down
• 1:04:17
  the tto rabbit hole. I'm going to bring on more
• 1:04:20
  friends on here, more bitcoiners that I think have interesting
• 1:04:23
  stories that have just what I like to talk about, man, just
• 1:04:27
  the cultural effects of Bitcoin, how Bitcoin literally, Alters
• 1:04:30
  your life. How Bitcoin saves you, how
• 1:04:32
  Bitcoin gives you a second life. And so, I hope you guys got
• 1:04:36
  inspired. I hope you guys continue down
• 1:04:38
  the rabbit hole. I go.
• 1:04:39
  I hope you guys continue down the fitness.
• 1:04:41
  Rabbit Hole, get yourself fit, mentally spiritually and
• 1:04:44
  physically, and as well, get yourself fit financially, and
• 1:04:48
  this is what we're doing here is bitcoiners.
• 1:04:50
  So tune in tomorrow for the normal show.
• 1:04:53
  Actually. Also, speaking of Pierre,
• 1:04:55
  Richard, he is coming tomorrow for the IRL, so stay tuned.
• 1:05:00
  Tomorrow, we got all kinds of content for you guys and we'll
• 1:05:04
  be back. I think I got a, I got some new,
• 1:05:06
  some more friends coming into the show next week and the
• 1:05:09
  following week. So, I hope you like these.
• 1:05:11
  Stations, let me know, I will figure out what's going on with
• 1:05:14
  all the audio stuff so that you guys get the best listening
• 1:05:17
  experience possible. But I hope you enjoyed the
• 1:05:21
  night. Do have a good night.
• 1:05:22
  Go eat your steak. Go go.
• 1:05:24
  Do some workouts. Go sit in the sauna, make sure
• 1:05:27
  you guys are getting yourself. Mentally, prepared, for what's
• 1:05:30
  going to come. It will be a crazy year.
• 1:05:32
  So, enjoy yourselves. Have a good night and I will see
• 1:05:36
  you tomorrow. Peace out.