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Till the End of the Moon - Part 2 | C-drama Review / Ep. 45 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  Hey, this is Jess and thanks for joining us on our deep dive
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  review of till the end of the Moon, my guests.
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  And I actually had a lot to say probably 10,000 years worth and
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  we ended up recording a three-and-a-half Hour episode.
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  But instead of getting it down, we just decided to release it in
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  two parts. This second and final part is a
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  continuation of our juicy spoiler filled discussion.
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  Thanks for listening and enjoy the episode.
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  So speaking of white on rice, let's talk about these eras and
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  we'll kind of stuck out to us and some bits with a blot that
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  were super compelling to us. So the first bit of the show is
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  like what episodes 1 through 10 or so where she goes back in
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  time and she meets And AJ and she's been torturing him.
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  Evidently has yes, you wish you had no idea that this
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  incarnation of her is like pure evil and you get like, these
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  very complex feelings from Sue, where she's like, is it that he
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  is evil? Or is it that he was made evil?
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  Because of all of these terrible things that happened to him
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  because he's just got such a tragic life.
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  So I like this theme that they introduced in the first few
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  episodes, which is like its nature versus nurture, you know,
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  is it how much of his becoming the devil God is about his foul
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  mistreatment and the injustices that he suffered so that he
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  would naturally come to hate the world.
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  Or is he just always a vehicle of sin and chaos?
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  And there's nothing they can do to change it.
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  So, I love this theme. Did you have any thoughts on
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  that? You're versus nurture theme that
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  they sort of introduce and her growing feelings, coming from
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  pity first. And I think they did really well
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  with, like, the theme of nature versus nurture.
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  And actually, I think that applies to Lee soo soo as well,
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  because if you really, really think about it, right?
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  If she had been raised by her bio, dad her whole character
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  Actor would have been a whole different character, whole
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  different character. And I know you've got later on
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  on the episode like quotes. And one of my favorite quotes is
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  like, her love letter to her adopted father, right?
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  At the end, and I feel like we can tie Gene.
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  That is even more prominent, is it nature it?
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  Like, is it in his nature to be evil?
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  Or is it like nurture, is it the fact that nobody ever showed him
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  kindness? You know everybody, every single
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  person here. Love's betrays him like there is
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  not one single person in this drama that doesn't betray him.
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  Even like his closest aide from his tribe ends up, betraying him
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  I'll buy it for a good reason like I understand where he's
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  coming from but I feel like you know, tan taejin is this
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  character where he's trying so hard to be good because that's
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  inherently. I think that's what he is as a
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  character. Yeah, but it's all of these
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  circumstances just keep pushing him and pushing him and pushing
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  him. And I really did enjoy that Ark
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  of seeing what, you know, is it nature?
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  Is it nurture, is it like this plan of everybody to get him to
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  a certain point? You know, going to work because
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  I I said this I thought that while I was watching I always
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  thought that antigen is a precious character for everyone.
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  In terms of the, he is the major chess piece because he's a
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  human. He is a devil and he's an
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  immortal, he's all three. Nobody is like him in this
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  drama. He's all three of them, and
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  whatever Choice he makes because he is the only one who has like
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  those three, you know, backgrounds of sorts, whatever
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  Choice he makes, that's the way. The Liam is going to swing in
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  terms of power. So I feel like you know,
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  everybody kind of wants to push him a certain direction and
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  ultimately it's his choice. So it was really really good to
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  see him going from this character who has absolutely no
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  feelings to him slowly getting to make his own choices.
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  So yeah, that was my thoughts on it speaking of choices and him
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  like he was born with no love. Res.
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  And he can't feel hate or love or fear and all that stuff.
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  It was very like Kong Ching, Fang of him for your devil.
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  But I love that they say, what his name means is that gin means
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  ashes. So, his name was basically a
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  curse from the get-go can Tae Jin, and I wish that they, you
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  know, we can talk about the ending in a, in a bit, but they
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  don't Circle back on him being like rising from the ashes.
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  Has almost like yeah, Phoenix. But I like that they establish
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  us is they establish him as a psychopath psychopath in the
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  first few episodes because he's imitating human emotions and
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  he's using the Crown Prince as a blueprint and he's just doing
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  going through these motions. Hoping that he'll get the same
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  result as Shaolin does in his own life.
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  And to me, that also establishes that he's a student of life,
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  right? He's constantly looking around
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  him and observing And it's no wonder that he learns so much
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  from Yeti whoo as Sue Sue or whatever and her fostering him
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  and teaching him how to love and being close with him and showing
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  him kindness. Making sure he doesn't die on a
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  baseline level. All of that really affects him
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  and it's opens him up to A Whole New World.
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  Did you have anything you wanted to add to that Kaitlyn with tent
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  a and the first few episodes and Like the beginning of his Arc.
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  Um I also think it speaks to like Prejudice that everybody
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  else had like everybody else had this preconceived idea that he
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  was a cursed person or the devil, God reincarnated or just
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  a bad guy. And so I think it also the story
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  did a very good way of showing the fact that like, Yes, he was
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  all he somewhat. It was always written into him
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  Liliane. You spoke to this like there
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  were three characters that seem to always have these threads on
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  his life, in your podcast, but like it was also speak towards
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  like people having internal or external prejudices towards him
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  since the day he was born or even before he was born, like
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  the king hating them right out the get-go, whether that was
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  because his his mother died in childbirth or like, How his, how
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  the baby was acting with his to, with the two women who were
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  raising him at first in Life or so?
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  Like it's just it, I think it was in terms of like him having
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  always having to make a choice. And I like the idea that the
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  drama's said, you always do have a choice in terms of being evil
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  or not being evil or and then you have to live with the
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  consequences of that choice which I think is portrayed very
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  Very well in the third era. But they also just like this the
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  way, especially in the early episodes, like, People were
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  always having these preconceived ideas with him and prejudice
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  against him. But also, the as, as we said it
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  earlier with the Trope of like, the good guys are not always the
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  good, guys. A lot of the good people were
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  actually not good people even in the first era, when we weren't
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  even getting when they were all human.
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  Then when they weren't Immortals or anything like that, mmm,
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  talking about not, everything is good.
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  Let's talk about the crow wedding, where he wreaks Havoc
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  with his army of black crows, and he gets a little taste of
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  Revenge. A little taste of power, I
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  fucking love this scene. How did you guys feel about this
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  scene? I love did this seem like
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  absolutely loved it. I think it shows to his because
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  by this point and this is something that I want to touch
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  on that this drama did so well it's hard for a drama to make
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  you love somebody. That is inherently at that point
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  kind of evil what he's doing isn't like you know, the done
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  thing in terms of he's literally trying to kill people but even
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  When he's trying to kill people, he has the audience eating out
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  the palm of his hand and going. Yeah, guy for years until the
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  because that is literally what we want.
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  We want them all to die. Anyways, so I feel like that's
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  something that this story does really really well by that point
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  of him showing his evil side, you have seen what every single
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  person in that room has put him through so you'll like yeah, go
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  ahead. You have free reign to kill.
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  Them all they deserve. And the fact and you also see
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  the fact that he gets a two-year Shi woo.
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  And he backs off and it is the first time that you kind of see
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  any inkling of him, kind of like, you know there's something
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  there. I don't think it's like or love
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  by any, you know, right case of the world.
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  It's none of that because at that point he doesn't even know
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  what the meaning of those are. He can't feel them.
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  He has no love strings. He has nothing.
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  He has Thing to compare it to. But at that point, he saves her
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  kind of lightly. Yeah, exactly.
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  Something like a curiosity and it kind of like he backs off and
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  he's like, okay, I won't hurt you.
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  Like I'll leave you but I just absolutely love that scene.
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  And it's kind of like, I loved how it was directed because he
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  wasn't in the room. And he had this like Quail or
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  pedal and he was like, it was like he was a conductor.
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  Yeah. And he was conducting something
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  and I loved how the whole scene was directed.
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  That seemed to me was epic. It was just epic but also it
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  kind of speaks with that scene came out again.
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  Everybody was like oh look at him, talking to, in controlling
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  animals and whatnot Voldemort Parseltongue of it all, okay?
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  But there was actually something that people were saying online
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  where they were saying, even when he's evil, you can still
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  Both eyes with him and that's like something that I totally
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  agree with because he was being like, he wasn't being good like
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  because the high moral road is to take, you know, to not hurt
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  anybody. And kind of thing which I don't
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  care. Okay, kill them.
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  All kill the same thing on the glory episode, I'm like, fuck
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  the high road. Yeah, I want everyone to get
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  their comeuppance, I want, I want retribution.
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  Okay. And that's What he was getting
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  and everybody in the audience was like clapping for him and
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  being like yeah, you get it. You know, one thing that I
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  really liked in that scene and it was just before he flicks
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  links off to do his conducting of the crow wedding.
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  It's when he's dealing with one of his main aggressors, which is
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  one of the princes, it's like the maniacal fat one.
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  Who loves. Oh yeah.
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  So he comes up to him 10th age in and starts, like, you know,
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  it berating him, he starts, insulting him, But yes, you will
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  picks up on everything that's going on and she insults that
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  prints back to him. And the way that this is so
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  subtle the way the tent, I just steps in front of her, he like
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  moves slightly in front of her to presumably protect her or
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  like getting between her and the prince.
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  I was like that's the kind of shit that I live for that's like
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  it's not only speaking to him now he just L, maybe it's
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  unconscious. If he's just like wants to
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  protect her and get in between her and this shitty aspirants,
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  but later on it. He it's the same.
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  It grows like this feeling of. I want to protect her.
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  I want to, I want to do good by her grows into this giant.
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  He's like the sacrificial lamb at the end of the show, so I
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  love that scene. It's like that's sort of sort of
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  shit. Is like, see drama crack to me.
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  Did you guys like pick up on that little like Thing that he
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  said I did, I did, I think for him, especially but also if ye
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  Shi woo. Yes she, whoo.
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  There's you know, she isn't how to explain this.
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  So basically here you start to see that he has feelings for her
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  not through his words, but through his actions and she's
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  the same, she's absolutely the same.
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  And now, if you look at the whole drama, there isn't it?
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  I might be me. Misremembering, I'm pretty sure.
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  Yes, you who never says, I love you but she shows him and that
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  to me is enough. Now I think a lot of the time, a
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  lot of people crapped on her character left right and Center
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  because they were like, oh, he's sacrificing everything for you.
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  But you never, like, why can't you just accept his love and
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  Bob? Okay.
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  And her character is like, guys, her character is so underrated,
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  it is so underrated. Trade in terms of, she did you
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  see what she had to go through? She has like this, the whole
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  universe on her shoulder, has the weight of the future on her
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  shoulders? Exactly like her and nobody
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  else. And she also has to like,
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  differentiate from like, seeing him as tent a gene or seeing him
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  as. And there's a line that she
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  says, are you, my enemy or are you my lover and I'm like, Like,
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  that is exactly her struggle throughout the whole drama.
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  And I love the fact that these two, they don't have a lot of
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  like, Swoon, absolutely swooning moments.
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  There's not a lot of like, you know, big kiss scenes or
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  anything like that, but it's through their actions and
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  through that, even just those small moments where one steps in
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  front of the other one is willing to, like, she is willing
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  to give up her immortality for him.
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  He is willing to do this for her.
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  She, you know, and it's like these things that show how they
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  feel for each other without them having to say it.
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  And that to me is like one of the best things you can do.
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  Actually be glad I'm words. Exactly.
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  I compared it to, I don't know if you guys have watched the
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  Korean drama, the red sleeves. Oh my God, hell yes.
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  I loved it. The female lead in that never
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  says she loves the male lead but she shows it to him through her
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  actions and through what she does.
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  And I feel like that to me, Me actions speak louder than words.
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  And when a character does it, it just lands.
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  Well, it makes that whole, you know, love story.
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  Kind of like more believable innocence Caitlin.
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  What did you think of the boat dancing?
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  I mean I love that. I mean that was that scene was
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  like top chemistry like what did it to see is that you watch to
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  see just the chemistry because it's like, um, You.
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  I mean he knew immediately who she was and so the fact that
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  like he just was like he was teasing her the entire time, but
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  then she played along and teased him back, I love that scene.
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  And the fact that like it, As you said it was like wow like
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  speaks louder, like actions. Like the fact that he was so
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  worried about her when she got off the ship was just like it
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  was. Another scene showing like he
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  did actually care. And then the the scene that
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  followed where she he stepped in front of her when they were
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  fighting the his brothers right-hand woman.
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  And the demon. Yes, he was a demon demon or
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  like a wizard or whatever. I don't have some sort of but
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  like that back-and-forth of them stepping in front of each other
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  was one of my favorite scenes. I love that.
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  Also him with blue. Can't contact.
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  Gorgeous. I think it's his eyes.
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  Yes. Dunning between the blue
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  contact, the gold when he was the devil.
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  God, the red. When he was a devil.
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  God like his eye color in. This was great 10/10.
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  No, no no. No, but yeah, like just I think
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  Him stepping front of her, in terms of the wedding and then
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  she stepping front of him, in terms of the crows, at the end
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  of like, running back into the building and the wedding too,
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  and then them fighting the Demon, which person and them.
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  Again, exchanging that little, like, I'll save you, you save me
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  type thing. Mmm.
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  Yeah, I mean, and I love the ship seen, as I said, like, that
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  was P. Chemistry, the boat dancing
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  isn't. Grained In My Memory.
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  It made the rounds on Tick, Tock for good reason.
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  It is so spicy. I adore it.
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  I think that again, the chemistry is off the charts,
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  they're fucking cooking. Okay?
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  Like, this is one of those scenes, where you put two people
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  in a room together and you just fucking let them cook.
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  You know what I'm saying? There's certain like types of
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  scenes that you're like, they're cooking like a full-course meal
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  here. This is what these two by Lou
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  and blowing Girard like cooking. His face the way.
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  He's like so it's so sensual. And the way he's eaten up, all
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  of her moves and the way that she ends up like trying to kill
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  him at the end, her jumping off the ship.
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  And the way that he looks just as she is about to make the jump
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  off the ship. It's like it never occurred to
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  him that she would just rather die than be with him.
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  Unbelievable acting and he like grabs tries to grab her as she
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  falls off and all he's left with is the fabric piece of fabric is
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  so indicative of their entire relationship.
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  Ship and the push and pull of them throughout the show.
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  Again you mentioned that he really cares about her
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  well-being after she like fucks off the ship and I also love
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  when they are like he's like I want her dead or alive and he's
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  like no wait I want her alive. I'm like like there it is.
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  He actually wants her alive like for whatever reason.
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  At this point, he is sort of buying into her and caring about
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  her and it's not just curiosity. He really does.
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  Like it is a true enemies to Lover's relationship throughout
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  the show, and the growth, and the sort of weird way that they
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  are on this roller coaster journey together is incredible,
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  and the boat scene is very memorable.
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  At the end of the day. The Liana.
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  Do you have any thoughts to add? Yeah, I was going to say, I kind
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  of love the fact that when you know she does get It cool and
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  he's like trying to catch her it to put on the boat.
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  So after the dance, she gets caught whatnot.
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  And I feel like you look at, you know, yes, you were Lisa's who
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  at that point and she's like, you're trying to Corner me into
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  a decision. I will just jump off the ship
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  and like I love that for her character.
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  Like she won't give up and she won't you like to take a bad
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  bitch? Yeah.
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  Yeah. She's not going to be pushed
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  into a corner like she's Do what she has to do.
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  And I always loved that about her character but also you just
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  touched on it. Very, very briefly when she does
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  come back. When they meet again, just
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  before they go into the bore a life, like she, like does this
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  flirtatious smile and wave and then her face just drops.
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  And she's like, miss me bitches. I'm like, oh my God, I love her.
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  I love her. Just like my smile, his smile.
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  Yeah. He just starts laughing again.
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  Yeah. Range in my memory just before
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  they enter the body life and she's like she does a little
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  wave. And oh God!
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  It's anything! See drama crack!
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  It's such a small moment like in the grand scheme of things.
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  It's nothing. But it's just like one of those
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  things that really, really stands out and actually when I
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  was watching some behind the scenes and some interviews that
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  they've done and if you watch them in the behind the scenes
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  and interviews, they So comfortable with each other and
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  Italy and she was like, oh yeah, this is my second time working
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  together, which changes everything because you know, and
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  even when they're doing like the kiss scenes, they'll just kiss.
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  Like it doesn't like it doesn't even follow them.
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  And after love is sweet. There was a bunch of rumors that
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  they were dating. But then again, there's always
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  rumors that by Louis dating every single one of her co-stars
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  because apparently you can't have chemistry without dating.
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  And but like everybody like the for these He's too.
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  And like all of their behind the scenes by Lou is always taking
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  the mick out of him and he's like, trying to answer
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  questions, seriously like, oh yeah, she's really hard-working
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  and she does all of these things and she's just like taking the
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  mick out of him as so, they're behind the scenes are hilarious,
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  but it shows that they have like that friendship in place, that
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  then translates. So well on to on screen, you
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  know, I wanted their on-screen chemistry and then, like how
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  comfortable with each other they are I think that's really
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  important and that like boat scene proves how comfortable
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  they are with each other, because if they had been there
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  had been any awkwardness between them, no matter how good of an
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  actor and actress, they were that would have come across on
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  screen, especially in that scene because it's so sensual.
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  It's like all about like little touches here, a little touches
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  there, but that's why that scene is so good is because like how
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  comfortable they are. With each other I think in real
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  life. So yeah.
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  What was your favorite era of the show?
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  And why is it badi life? So we get into border life and
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  all of a sudden the show sort of restarts there.
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  Leave the tree living the life of the God of War, 10,000 years
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  ago. We get all this history.
• 24:00
  We get all of this angst in a different pill and Honestly,
• 24:07
  love booty life. What are your thoughts?
• 24:10
  And I really, really loved that Arc.
• 24:15
  But I will say I didn't appreciate it until I watched
• 24:19
  the later episodes in terms in terms of.
• 24:22
  So there's a lot of people that if you talk to them and they've
• 24:25
  mentioned this a couple of times, they feel like the boring
• 24:28
  life Ark went on a little bit too long, but for me, it was
• 24:33
  just enough like that Arc. What dictates so much of the
• 24:37
  story, The Shell that comes from the ark, the heart guarding
• 24:41
  scale. That's that, is the scale that
• 24:43
  saves you, note, anti-aging later on in the story, that is
• 24:48
  Ming Wei sets, so much into motion through his actions and
• 24:53
  through showing him, he says, clearly to turn taejin, I
• 24:56
  waited, I showed you my life so that you could make the right
• 25:00
  decision. And so, yeah, I feel like that
• 25:03
  Arc is so, so, so important. But also there's just like lots
• 25:08
  of little details for example when they enter that Arc.
• 25:13
  So you see that antigen enters through the Clear Eye and lie
• 25:19
  sousou enter through the red eye or the evil eye, that's like
• 25:22
  indicative of like which story they're going to take and it's
• 25:25
  the same for the second couple one enters through the good eye
• 25:28
  and one enters through the body and that kind of like dictates
• 25:32
  where they're going to land. In terms of I didn't even That.
• 25:36
  Yeah, but this is what I mean. This is what I mean.
• 25:39
  Like, that whole Arc, there is so many little things that then
• 25:44
  connect everything together. So yeah, Caitlin I did.
• 25:50
  You feel about? Um, I also yeah, I also quite
• 25:55
  liked that, that life as well. I thought I thought it was good
• 26:01
  in terms of it aloud, Them to explore, what could have been
• 26:13
  and appreciate like, it allowed them to learn a little bit more
• 26:17
  about themselves and allowed to explore a relationship that they
• 26:22
  might not have gotten to be able to do as to antigen, or there
• 26:30
  are other couple even like the third era.
• 26:32
  Like there's a difference in terms of their story.
• 26:36
  A all of their stories for that matter compared to the every
• 26:39
  errors. And I think the second one, or
• 26:42
  the bore a life allowed them to experience a unique story that
• 26:47
  they would never have been able to experience in the other two
• 26:51
  arrows that they had, which allowed them to get a little
• 26:56
  more context to their relationship and learn different
• 27:03
  aspects of themselves that they wouldn't, Have.
• 27:06
  Yeah, I think, you know, living through minging mean ways
• 27:12
  experience, as the God of War helped antigen to actually open
• 27:16
  himself up to love and affection and actually, probably learn
• 27:22
  from the mistakes of Ming-Ming way.
• 27:25
  And not necessarily follow in his footsteps as far as you
• 27:30
  know, making that jump to I'll just be the I'll just given and
• 27:35
  be a double if only to be with her.
• 27:39
  Yeah. What's up Liliana?
• 27:41
  No, I was just going to say before I forget, because I will
• 27:43
  forget, it's in case of what, like, what you're saying and
• 27:48
  Caitlin was saying. It's the fact that Not only was
• 27:50
  it important for 10 taejin, but for ye Shi, woo.
• 27:54
  This is the story that shows her, you know, how the purest of
• 28:00
  souls can go into, you know, this rage and can't earn a
• 28:04
  badge. But Also it showed her like
• 28:08
  what's behind that? Not necessarily not.
• 28:11
  Everything is necessarily bad as it seems and where it comes
• 28:15
  from. And I think she needed to
• 28:16
  experience that to allow like that love to also come in I
• 28:21
  think for both of them it really teaches them like love in a
• 28:26
  different scenario if that makes sense a kind of like allows
• 28:29
  them, it allows them to kind of like feel each other's feelings.
• 28:34
  If that makes sense in it. Allows yeah you know issue whoo
• 28:38
  to experience the Suffering, The evilness and it allows to
• 28:42
  anti-aging to experience the goodness you know, the other
• 28:45
  side so to speak. Yes.
• 28:48
  So a couple more things about body life, I have a laundry list
• 28:51
  of like Swoon worthy moments that happen in body life and
• 28:54
  then I also want to talk about you.
• 28:57
  Well, not, yes, you signed you in the body life and her journey
• 29:02
  and how I absolutely fucking loved it.
• 29:05
  So, For the Swoon worthy moments.
• 29:08
  The wedding was so interesting is such an interesting ceremony,
• 29:12
  I thought because we usually get a lot of immortal weddings in
• 29:16
  Genesis. And this one was very cool
• 29:19
  because they had the floating dancers and the wedding gowns
• 29:22
  were way different. It's like had a lot more white
• 29:25
  to them. Her arms were exposed which I
• 29:27
  was like, that's new and I love that he, you know, as Ming Wei,
• 29:33
  he starts to catch feelings, sort of, right?
• 29:36
  Way because he sees her catching the flower petals on their, on
• 29:40
  their way, back to his Palace and he just smiled slightly.
• 29:43
  These little things. Start adding up, he smirks when
• 29:48
  she's in the garden and she's eating the fruit and he catches
• 29:51
  her and it's the archery lesson, which is super spicy and he's
• 29:57
  teaching her, you know how to shoot gifts.
• 30:00
  He gives her the bow, the really nice bow, the swordsmanship
• 30:04
  lesson, which is another really A spicy scene, he goes our home
• 30:08
  early to see them, the fucking dual cultivation, whatever that
• 30:12
  was, that was really spicy. I think that when he's blind
• 30:20
  they had this whole like a mortal standoff fight with a
• 30:24
  double God, which I think went on a little too long.
• 30:26
  It was a really long sequence of like all of the Gods coming
• 30:30
  together to Vanquish the devil, God, 10,000 years ago and its
• 30:36
  really long fight, a really drawn out battle and Ming.
• 30:40
  Wei comes out blind from the the experience.
• 30:45
  And when he regains his eyesight, as she's brushing his
• 30:50
  hair and she's been taking such good care of him and this is
• 30:56
  again like see drama crack moments that like keep me going
• 30:59
  and keep me up at night where he's like, why don't we share
• 31:03
  bed like why don't we? It's like he's can see her at
• 31:09
  this point and it's changed how he used her and he Realizes that
• 31:15
  there is some sort of redemption for their love.
• 31:20
  I can't, I can't take like the snuggles and bed and the bee
• 31:23
  sting that she gets, while she's collecting a honey and he's
• 31:28
  like, putting lotion or something on the bee sting and
• 31:33
  there was so much sexual tension.
• 31:34
  In that moment, you could cut it with a fucking knife.
• 31:37
  It was like, will he or won't he kiss her?
• 31:38
  Will he reveal the? He can see her now and the
• 31:41
  blindness is gone and all this stuff.
• 31:44
  How I mean Talk to me. Like, what are you guys feeling
• 31:47
  about this stuff? And I was just looking at my
• 31:51
  notes, and I realized that that's the part that I actually
• 31:54
  wrote down with pen and paper and I don't have the money, but
• 31:59
  but there is because I was trying to remember the quote,
• 32:02
  and it's after he regains his memory.
• 32:05
  And he kind of says, I might, you know, paraphrase, this a
• 32:08
  little bit because I can't remember the exact quote, but he
• 32:11
  kind of says to her. Like in his mind, he doesn't say
• 32:14
  it. It to her.
• 32:15
  He says it in his mind I can just I'm sorry for lying to you
• 32:20
  until I just pretending to be blind.
• 32:22
  I just want this to last a little bit longer and he just
• 32:26
  wants that like blissfulness because he knows once because
• 32:32
  she keeps saying in her mind, once they're both essentially
• 32:36
  wanting the same thing at that point she wants to, you know,
• 32:40
  carry on in this Blissful moment.
• 32:44
  And so, Does he they're just not communicating that because they
• 32:48
  both think that. As soon as this blindness goes
• 32:50
  away, they're both going to go their separate ways.
• 32:53
  And that is kind of like so sweet.
• 32:56
  But so heartbreaking at the same time because they want the same
• 32:59
  thing, they just can't express it and it's like so sad and so,
• 33:05
  you know, I I loved that whole little Saga because it's what in
• 33:10
  theory, if everything else would be removed that's What their
• 33:15
  life would be. Like they would just be living
• 33:17
  in their little cabin like loving it on each other.
• 33:20
  And that is there like, like that's what it would have been.
• 33:24
  So that's one of my favorite scenes in that, you know, in the
• 33:28
  bori life is like them in the woods.
• 33:31
  After his blind, the fact that she goes into the river to save
• 33:37
  him is you know? And she gets kind of her going
• 33:40
  into the river and you know, that's a whole other thing.
• 33:44
  It's the fact that even though he said these things to her, she
• 33:49
  still wants to save him and take care of him.
• 33:52
  And, you know, it's just their love through and through.
• 33:56
  Yeah. The ending of Border life is
• 34:01
  really brutal because she decided, she liked, of course,
• 34:08
  the goddess fucking goes apeshit, kills.
• 34:12
  All of her family. She becomes a Devil.
• 34:16
  And I love this quote from songs you or she says, I'm willing to
• 34:20
  become a devil if I can kill my foe, even at the cost of my life
• 34:25
  or my soul being dispersed and she makes is like, Everlasting
• 34:28
  vow to the soul calming stone or whatever.
• 34:31
  That's in the mo River and the, the mood swings and everything.
• 34:36
  Like, you believe her, you're on her side, become a devil.
• 34:40
  It's fine. Girly, like, will support you
• 34:43
  and The fact that she is so devoid of Mercy as the devil and
• 34:50
  you're still like she has every right to be this vengeful.
• 34:54
  She says I want them all to die. When they raise their swords to
• 34:57
  kill children of the elders. They had no kindness or sympathy
• 34:59
  at all. I want them to pay and he's like
• 35:03
  telling her, look, it's not worth becoming a devil over.
• 35:06
  He's begging her to, just like, let go.
• 35:09
  And she says, who are you? Who do you think?
• 35:12
  You are telling me what's worthwhile or what?
• 35:14
  Should or should not be done? Like get out, get out of here.
• 35:20
  How are you guys feeling in this moment when she makes this turn
• 35:24
  to the dark side and becomes a devil and is really antagonistic
• 35:28
  toward Ming Wei I supported like that change in the fact that
• 35:37
  it's exactly the same thing that was happening.
• 35:40
  You know, 10 episodes ago, when Tom taejin throws crows, at his
• 35:46
  enemies, she's doing the same, she's just doing it.
• 35:49
  You know, slightly different and like at that point.
• 35:53
  She's so consumed by range and anguish and every emotion that
• 35:58
  is - there is no going back for her like there.
• 36:02
  There is no mercy. There is no going back for her.
• 36:05
  She, you know, has already it like that.
• 36:08
  She had this very peaceful, very loving, family, that supported
• 36:12
  her through everything and having that taken away for no
• 36:17
  other reason than at the end of the day you can almost link it
• 36:22
  back to Ming way because if minghui, hadn't been lenient
• 36:26
  with the goddess, they wouldn't have had this problem.
• 36:30
  So it just shows to Leniency is not going to take me anywhere.
• 36:34
  I might as well just do revenge and you know the be what I need
• 36:39
  to be but yeah I was I was like, I'm all for this, you go kill
• 36:44
  the goddess, you go kill, whoever you need to kill, like
• 36:48
  it's by, I still like you Caitlin, how are you feeling
• 36:52
  about the dark side? So yeah, I agree.
• 36:55
  I think this is, I mean, we all cheered her on.
• 36:59
  Again, we hated being Chung's character.
• 37:02
  In in the dream sequence. Overall, I think any harm that
• 37:08
  we could see be done to her was rightfully so.
• 37:13
  But I think also, I mean, I think I like the fact that they
• 37:16
  made like the opposite happen because you saw parallels with
• 37:24
  With Talent, antigens can her and was sung to you in the
• 37:29
  Borderland. Yeah.
• 37:30
  In terms of why they went evil and parallels in like their
• 37:34
  motivation while they were evil and things like that.
• 37:39
  And I think that allowed Susu to really learn the fact that like
• 37:45
  there is no there's a gray line when it comes to who's actually
• 37:51
  evil and who's actually good and I think she's She really had
• 37:55
  not. Learned that before the dream
• 38:00
  Seeker. I think that was the major
• 38:01
  learning point is like lisu was able to be exposed to the fact
• 38:06
  that even though there are good sex and bad sex There is a Gray
• 38:14
  Line because it's all like there's people in the good sect,
• 38:17
  that could be bad. And there's people in the bad
• 38:20
  sect, that could be good. And I think the dream sequence
• 38:23
  allowed her to learn that. But yeah, one thing that I
• 38:31
  picked up on during this sequence and this conversation
• 38:35
  that they're having, which is really important and Powerful in
• 38:38
  the body, life is that Ming Wei. The problem is that he didn't
• 38:44
  communicate with her and more than anything.
• 38:46
  He took power from her. He didn't let her decide the
• 38:50
  fate of her. The klansmen that we're at
• 38:53
  fault, how to punish the goddess.
• 38:55
  He made all of these decisions on On her behalf and it was all
• 38:59
  politically motivated in the body life.
• 39:02
  And like that is major right to take the agency from her when
• 39:08
  the the the she is the victim. Right.
• 39:14
  So I think that it later on when tent, I Jin is effectively, the,
• 39:20
  the victim of you know, everyone's hate, everyone's
• 39:24
  mistreatment and miscommunication and bias, and
• 39:28
  all of the rest, he makes big decisions by himself.
• 39:34
  And again, it's not necessarily that it's a mistake.
• 39:38
  Like it was in the body life because he saves su su at the
• 39:44
  end of the day and he saves the world.
• 39:46
  So it's very interesting to see how it's he kind of redefines
• 39:53
  the decisions and it's not so much that he's offending Susu.
• 40:01
  Even though he is like we'll talk about that.
• 40:02
  But he really has a hint, a better handle on it, after board
• 40:08
  a life, if that makes any sense. And yeah, I also think when it
• 40:14
  comes to, you know, that whole story later on in the episodes,
• 40:19
  it's the fact that they have a different relationship than
• 40:22
  sangchul and minghui Ever Had. There's a lot of trust between
• 40:26
  sousou and tan taejin, that was gained through their
• 40:30
  experiences, to the point where he I think it's like episode 37
• 40:35
  or 38. He's like, become the devil.
• 40:38
  God in essence and he's telling her all of these things.
• 40:41
  And she looks him dead in the eye and goes you're lying.
• 40:44
  And that's that's all she knows, she knows.
• 40:48
  And like once you know, they have cultivated this
• 40:52
  relationship over thousands of years, thousands of years,
• 40:56
  they've experienced it. So I think that when he then
• 41:00
  chooses he knows that if he later won a stunt, a gene, if he
• 41:05
  were to tell her what he was going to do, she wouldn't go
• 41:09
  through with it because she Would have looked for a
• 41:12
  different way. She wants, she would have wanted
• 41:15
  to keep him and the world, which is what she did.
• 41:18
  You know, 500 years ago, she kept him alive, but she also
• 41:22
  saved the world. Like, and she would have looked
• 41:24
  for a different way. Whereas, in force Angela Ming
• 41:28
  way, they had a very, very short amount of time.
• 41:32
  And yes, he took all the agency away from her, but I think like
• 41:37
  their main thing was there miscommunication because if He
• 41:41
  had said to her, I'm doing this. I'm sparing her life so that I
• 41:45
  can bring your tribe of back or so that there is a chance to
• 41:49
  bring your tribe back because he said, you know, the, the goddess
• 41:53
  is Clan came in. And they've got this out of fact
• 41:56
  that can bring, you know, San Jose clam, black clamp Clan
• 42:01
  back. You know, if he had explained
• 42:05
  that to her, she might have slightly understood.
• 42:09
  But it's also the case of Of by that point sangchul was so far
• 42:14
  gone with grief that it would have been almost impossible to
• 42:17
  bring her back. So yeah, I think that that was
• 42:21
  my, my thoughts on it, it goes to show the difference in their
• 42:24
  relationships and like how far contagion and lisu came in their
• 42:30
  relationship which was something that was never looked.
• 42:33
  It was a chance that was never afforded to mingle a and Seung
• 42:37
  Jo. Yeah I completely agree because
• 42:41
  At that point in body life, it was too little too late and he
• 42:44
  doesn't let it get to that point later on in the show and he's 10
• 42:47
  side gin or the double God. And you know, things shits going
• 42:50
  down. The last line that I love and
• 42:53
  Bodie life is, it's my first time being a husband.
• 42:55
  I didn't know how to love you. I write that one down as well.
• 42:59
  I love that line. I love that line.
• 43:03
  Fuck. Okay.
• 43:04
  So now we're out of the body life and We get these really
• 43:09
  sweet scenes of her, trying to woo him so that she can develop
• 43:14
  all three of these mystical things that was it like the tear
• 43:17
  the dream and the thread, the love thread.
• 43:20
  Yeah, so she's trying to turn these things into the nine
• 43:24
  spikes that she can Ram into his heart and she needs him to fall
• 43:28
  for her and that you get some sweet moment.
• 43:31
  She's cooking for him. She kisses him on the cheek.
• 43:33
  We're just such a fucking terrific moment.
• 43:37
  I don't know how you guys felt about that his react.
• 43:39
  I love I love that little thing. I will say this was the point
• 43:45
  where a lot of people were like oh what's happened to you?
• 43:49
  She was character. Why is it all of a sudden she's
• 43:52
  turned into this little, you know, obsessed little fan of
• 43:56
  tucked. I'm like you can't win with
• 43:58
  this. Everybody was like it's first of
• 44:00
  all you want her to be, you know, in love with him.
• 44:04
  And then now that she's like trying to technically Tricking
• 44:08
  the be in love with her and like you still on yet, I don't like
• 44:13
  it but to me, I loved. This was kind of like a little
• 44:16
  breather before you went into the next painful, you know, Arc
• 44:21
  of the story and I feel like there's one of my favorite
• 44:27
  scenes from this whole thing is like, so she, she is it in this
• 44:35
  pot. I think it is when he He kills
• 44:38
  the emperor like the you know, neighboring countries a and she
• 44:44
  missed judges him. And she looks at him with like,
• 44:48
  scared and hatred. And he kind of says, I have seen
• 44:51
  that look from many people before, but I never imagined, I
• 44:54
  would see it from you like the hair look of being afraid of him
• 44:58
  and then like they go back and she understands why he killed
• 45:01
  her because mother's remains and hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:05
  They stole his mother's of rains and then Like you go into the
• 45:08
  whole confession of him by their tombstones, which is just like a
• 45:13
  giving you giving you everything that's going to happen.
• 45:18
  And like, the one line that it's a whole thing, but the one line
• 45:23
  that I wrote for this is like, when he's confessing to her, and
• 45:28
  he basically says, I love, no one.
• 45:31
  But you, he doesn't say, I love you.
• 45:34
  He's a literally telling her there is nobody else.
• 45:37
  You know, like motherly, love, no brotherly, love nothing.
• 45:41
  I love, no one. But you, and it's like Carmine
• 45:45
  like, come on to me. That was one of the most swoony
• 45:48
  moments, of the whole drum. Absolutely.
• 45:50
  The confession scene in the jinking them to tomb area.
• 45:56
  What's it called? Mausoleum anyway, thank you.
• 46:00
  Yeah, the mausoleum. Yeah, sorry.
• 46:02
  The confession. I am able to love someone only
• 46:04
  because it is. You not anyone else?
• 46:06
  Yes, you The one I love is you not anyone else?
• 46:11
  And it's like yeah, that scene is just a little eye.
• 46:18
  I think the episodes that were you were referring to like the
• 46:21
  break before the Heartbreak is 25 to 26 is like all hell breaks
• 46:28
  loose because he puppeteers, Yeshua.
• 46:34
  And to kill Shaolin. She kills Charlotte well he
• 46:37
  kills Sullen through her. Yeah.
• 46:40
  And what are you What's the term like a regression right for
• 46:47
  10th? I did because in that moment,
• 46:50
  he's super follow total and Sinister to have who he thinks
• 46:56
  is her lover or the person that she loves killed at her hand by
• 47:04
  her hand. So I don't know if Kalin.
• 47:08
  Did you have any thoughts on that?
• 47:09
  I was like, this is a lot. Um, I will go back a little bit,
• 47:14
  though. The one scene that I liked in
• 47:17
  terms of like them being happy was that whole possible scene
• 47:25
  with like, oh my God. Yes.
• 47:31
  So like I love the fact that like the James, so the Jing
• 47:34
  Kingdom holds this festival and They basically put on a play
• 47:40
  every year of the devil God, and this woman who essentially have
• 47:45
  like a love story. And so they, they chose are two
• 47:49
  main couple to play those roles. Ironically, he played the devil.
• 47:53
  God, she played this goddess thing and they did this whole
• 47:56
  dance sword sequence. I think this, I mean, I don't
• 48:02
  think it had the effect obviously of other people in
• 48:06
  terms of the The boat scene. But like I felt like this was
• 48:11
  another boat scene, but in that era and I just loved this scene
• 48:16
  together, I liked the costumes, I liked their masks, I liked
• 48:21
  them running around the festival together.
• 48:25
  I just ate like it's just they really just enjoyed each other's
• 48:29
  company and enjoy just being together and not have to worry
• 48:36
  about. He that Fact, he was King and
• 48:39
  all of the things that were going on politically and
• 48:42
  otherwise around them. I will say that I am always a
• 48:48
  sucker for On the Run episodes. So even like prior after the
• 48:53
  initial boat scene and she picks him up as he's half dead on the
• 48:56
  river and now they're on the Run, fucking love those
• 48:59
  episodes. And in this scene at the
• 49:01
  festival, he's being chased by all his attendance and I'm like,
• 49:04
  yes I love on the Run scenes and the festival play from this
• 49:10
  time. Period is basically prophesying
• 49:13
  exactly what would happen to them because she ends up.
• 49:16
  Being the goddess. He the demon, god and he yields
• 49:19
  to her. So she would kill him.
• 49:22
  And in that moment she also unmasks him and reveals his true
• 49:27
  self. And she says you were lying this
• 49:29
  whole entire time and it's I also I think like, it pays that
• 49:37
  whole again, it's kind of like a dance between them.
• 49:41
  You know, their sword fight is kind of like a dance between
• 49:44
  them but it also pays like To win, you know, sang jaw and
• 49:49
  minghui, a having like that sword lesson, I think.
• 49:52
  And it kind of like draws a little bit on that incense of
• 49:56
  linking them, but this show has a thing where if you look
• 50:01
  really, really closely like if you go re-watch it they have
• 50:05
  been giving you Clues to. What will the ending be from the
• 50:10
  get-go? From like episode 1?
• 50:12
  There's like little bit here and there and this one like Like
• 50:16
  this Festival one is like a major one where they clearly
• 50:20
  show you how it's going to end. You just don't really want to
• 50:24
  believe in, but I love how this show does this where they are
• 50:30
  really, really clever in the screen like in the script
• 50:33
  writing, right? They are very clever in terms of
• 50:35
  leaving little things that one. Once you're watching, you know,
• 50:40
  for the first time, you don't know because you don't know the
• 50:43
  context that they're going to be coming in later.
• 50:46
  Iran. But once you've watched it and
• 50:48
  you're like, oh my God, this seem linked to this, and this
• 50:51
  link to that. And that to me is clever, you
• 50:54
  know, screenwriting and that makes me again excited to see
• 50:58
  what these writers will do next. Because if they can do this
• 51:02
  from, you know, for this drama as their first thing, I can
• 51:08
  only, you know, I can only dream of what else they'll do next in
• 51:12
  terms of your regular quite back Jessica.
• 51:16
  Oh yeah, I've totally forgot. Yes, go for it.
• 51:18
  I all I agree. It was a regression in terms of
• 51:21
  him manipulate. I thought it was just, I think
• 51:24
  it was regression, but it was also like, overly cruel.
• 51:28
  The fact that like he, yes, her in the means to get his revenge,
• 51:34
  like he didn't have to do that, like there was other means that
• 51:39
  it's person that person. And it's just, I was frustrating
• 51:42
  on the fact because of course, like being chained His character
• 51:46
  was like manipulating all of it and like just like I was like
• 51:51
  yelling at my screen. I was just like communicate
• 51:53
  people like this entire his entire drama.
• 51:56
  I was like, this could have been avoided with a conversation and
• 52:00
  of course they didn't have a conversation.
• 52:03
  But yeah I think it was. I think this was even like worse
• 52:06
  than just a regression. The fact that it was just like a
• 52:09
  cruel cruel way to go about Killing what he perceived as his
• 52:17
  love rival, which was never the case.
• 52:20
  Like even in the third era, we were talking about how shall
• 52:24
  wins character in the third era was doing it out of jealousy.
• 52:28
  Like, he was never perceived as a love rile by rival, bye-bye
• 52:33
  lose its characters in any of the era's.
• 52:36
  So, and we knew that as the audience and you would think he
• 52:40
  knew would know that but he obviously did it because
• 52:44
  anything I mean, obviously before she was like,
• 52:48
  quote-unquote possessed in the first era by Lee soo soo, it she
• 52:52
  was very much in wanted to be with Jalen, that's why she was
• 52:56
  just a cool character. So much is and to her sister who
• 52:59
  everybody because she wanted to be with him and he didn't have
• 53:04
  want to have anything to do with her but and so obviously that
• 53:09
  kind of crept in of His insecurities with that
• 53:16
  relationship before Lisa's. Do even turned up and the fact
• 53:20
  that it let him let it get the best of him throughout.
• 53:25
  I think what was the most frustrating part is the
• 53:27
  insecurity of Shaolin with him. And for what they all they've
• 53:32
  been through, in terms of the dream sequence and what they
• 53:37
  have shown and he still went about and did that and viewed
• 53:41
  him as a Of rival frustrated me so much because she has proven
• 53:48
  time and time again to him that that was never the case up to
• 53:52
  that point especially when Lee Suk shows up and is now in the
• 53:56
  picture. I'm sorry.
• 54:02
  Yeah, I just I just want to pick up on something that Caitlin was
• 54:05
  saying is and that sometimes I feel like I obviously I finished
• 54:10
  watching this, you know a while. Well as soon as it finished
• 54:14
  ending ended airing and now I think I feel like at the time
• 54:18
  when I was watching these scenes I was really really frustrated
• 54:22
  but now like looking back at it with like slightly different
• 54:25
  perspective I think that yes. He was cruel, but and it was
• 54:31
  also a regression. But we also like, I need we the
• 54:35
  way I look at it, right? He had just learned to feel he's
• 54:39
  getting all of these emotions and he doesn't necessarily know
• 54:42
  what they are. He doesn't know how to deal with
• 54:44
  them. Now, did he need to go?
• 54:46
  And, you know, use you do those in a certain way?
• 54:52
  No not necessarily, but that's like his response to, you know,
• 54:57
  being betrayed in a sense. Of what he perceives as a
• 55:00
  betrayal but also this scene. I feel like and these emotions
• 55:06
  are there to show and push Lee soo soo in a different direction
• 55:11
  because I feel like at this point, she's, you know, falling
• 55:14
  in love with them and She's forgetting a little bit of her
• 55:17
  purpose. She's forgetting that or who
• 55:20
  he's about to become and this shakes her and wakes her up and
• 55:25
  it's like a wake-up call to like look you still got a mission.
• 55:28
  He's still going to turn into the devil and you still need to
• 55:31
  deal with it. So I feel like that's what this
• 55:34
  was used for. So at the time I was really,
• 55:37
  really frustrated with it now, like, looking back on it, I kind
• 55:41
  of like see it's slightly different.
• 55:43
  The first thing is that he doesn't know how to deal with
• 55:46
  these emotions. And his first instinct is to go
• 55:50
  to what was shown to him, which is cruelty.
• 55:53
  That's what he's been dealing with all of his life and
• 55:56
  anytime. Somebody was you, Bad, they
• 56:00
  would show cruelty. So that's his like, default,
• 56:03
  emotion in a sense. So I feel like, that's what was,
• 56:08
  you know, what? He was showing it, he was
• 56:11
  putting out what he had been shown.
• 56:13
  Yeah, exactly. He was putting out his learned
• 56:16
  behavior, but also, it was kind of needed to push the story Into
• 56:20
  the next Arc. Absolutely.
• 56:21
  You needed Yu Shi. Woo.
• 56:23
  Lee Soo to kind of like wake up and to see that she didn't have
• 56:27
  that much time left to accomplish.
• 56:28
  Um, polish her Mission. So then she stabs him on their
• 56:31
  wedding with all of the spikes that have developed from the
• 56:36
  three mystical thingies. And my thing is, he says, but I
• 56:42
  still love you. As he's like spitting up blood
• 56:46
  and she's looking very Fierce and she's got the glowing eye of
• 56:50
  the yeah, I can't remember what that magical thing was a chance
• 56:54
  ratings of and all alluring. Yes, world of learning.
• 56:59
  Yes, yeah yes thank you. But I still love you as he's in
• 57:06
  pain and writhing and dying and she's being really cruel to him.
• 57:14
  Again that was very heartbreaking for me.
• 57:19
  The prison scene after the fact, I don't know if you guys have
• 57:22
  thoughts on that but like the line since my affection means
• 57:25
  nothing to you have a taste of my hatred.
• 57:30
  That that seen it that whole scene is just is just and it's
• 57:36
  so well I can't it's so well. Acted like both bye.
• 57:40
  Bye Lu and Liu Yuan Shi. It's so well like acted that
• 57:44
  it's ridiculous because you can feel there's a lot of hatred in
• 57:49
  that scene, but you can still feel their chemistry and you can
• 57:52
  still feel like they're pull towards each other.
• 57:55
  Even though they hate each other, they love each other and
• 57:58
  it's kind of like this perfect combination.
• 58:00
  Should have all of these emotions all in one scene.
• 58:03
  Like, it's like this punch delivered and I love that scene.
• 58:07
  That prison scene is like engraved In My Memory because I
• 58:11
  feel like and the lighting of it, like there's this lighting
• 58:14
  coming in behind you shi Woo's character and it's just like, I
• 58:20
  I just loved it, I loved it. It was directed.
• 58:22
  So well, acted so well written. So well, this is like one of
• 58:27
  those times where like the try Factor Acting writing and
• 58:31
  director kind of like joins hands and it makes for some
• 58:35
  really, really good television. Yeah, I agree, something else.
• 58:39
  I was really good. Television was the end of this
• 58:42
  era where she is like a disgraced wife she's in the cold
• 58:47
  Palace. She decides on a last-ditch
• 58:49
  effort to take the advice of the Enlighten life which is develop
• 58:54
  a, what was it? It was her immortal.
• 59:00
  Develop an immortal Essence so that you can trade it basically
• 59:03
  for his evil bone as Ming Wei did in the enlightened life.
• 59:09
  And oh my God, this scene words Han Tae, Jin rushes back and
• 59:14
  finds that the populace is completely slaughtered.
• 59:17
  And his older brother has taken the the yay girls hostage.
• 59:21
  They're standing on a precipice and he has to choose, which one
• 59:25
  to save. And yes, you was not making eye
• 59:28
  contact with him at all. All, she's not even looking down
• 59:32
  at 10 taejin and, you know, he uses the last of his powers to
• 59:36
  take out the brother. She stays standing on the
• 59:38
  precipice, waiting for the Heavenly lightning to come for
• 59:41
  her and oh my God, they get taken up into the celestial
• 59:47
  space. The the lightning punishment is
• 59:50
  like all around them and it's like a reveal for Tenth item.
• 59:56
  Because she starts saying like, you know, you're the devil God,
• 1:00:00
  And shows him a little bit of the future.
• 1:00:03
  He gets a spark notes version of what she went through and how
• 1:00:07
  she ended up back in the 500 years in the past and it's like
• 1:00:12
  the replacement of the evil bone, she collapses and dies.
• 1:00:16
  After this huge fall, all of this is really heartbreaking and
• 1:00:21
  gut-wrenching to see Kaitlyn. Like how were you dealing with
• 1:00:27
  today? Okay, so I have to back up a
• 1:00:29
  little bit, just A little bit to the episode before.
• 1:00:32
  But okay, that's one of my favorite couples like just died
• 1:00:35
  and like stuff. So, like I just wanted to touch
• 1:00:38
  on that. I was heartbroken with that
• 1:00:40
  scene and and the fact that like, I guess, I have to get
• 1:00:45
  props of the general to is like, he's learned that like, hmm.
• 1:00:50
  Like he went through, he went through the wringer with this.
• 1:00:53
  He had the like span a few days. He had his grandmother murdered,
• 1:00:57
  his sister was in prison and tortured.
• 1:01:00
  Heard like he lost his sister like she's dead now, his father
• 1:01:06
  and brother also died and then he like had to go.
• 1:01:11
  This heart-wrenching scene of like the woman.
• 1:01:13
  He loved and thought he would be with forever.
• 1:01:15
  Also, died and saved him. And now he has to like pick up
• 1:01:18
  the pieces and I do and you mentioned this before, I think
• 1:01:22
  both of you did whether it's in your own podcast or earlier.
• 1:01:26
  It's like, The fact that he went to town Chargin was like get
• 1:01:30
  your head out of your ass and like you have to rule after this
• 1:01:34
  whole thing went down. Like it just speaks to his
• 1:01:37
  character and I just love his character, okay?
• 1:01:40
  That being said, yeah, I mean, I think, I think what I loved
• 1:01:45
  about the scene in terms of like them, rising up into the heavens
• 1:01:49
  and like receiving the lightning punishment is like him, really
• 1:01:54
  realizing the fact that she's had the eye.
• 1:01:57
  And had that Jade and her and like, realizing the fact that
• 1:02:01
  she had been living with that, for years at that like, not
• 1:02:08
  years. But like, since she got it, I
• 1:02:10
  don't know how long but like a really long time and he knew how
• 1:02:14
  painful that thing was. And so the fact that she was
• 1:02:17
  living with it for so long and realizing I think and he showed
• 1:02:22
  this so well on his face like coming to the realization that
• 1:02:26
  She did love him and the fact that she was living with this
• 1:02:29
  thing in herself and in her eye for so long, just proved it and
• 1:02:35
  then he felt remorseful on the fact that he did all that stuff
• 1:02:38
  to her and it was too late. Like he couldn't do anything
• 1:02:43
  which caused him to kind of go on like a crazy King rant, a
• 1:02:47
  little bit, afterward The Descent.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah. Um, And so I just love that
• 1:02:54
  realization and that progression of that whole scene.
• 1:02:57
  And then, of course you get, I wanted somebody to put together,
• 1:03:00
  I'm sure somebody has like the amount of times they have a
• 1:03:03
  aerial shot of them laying next to each other.
• 1:03:06
  In this drama. Like I think up to this point I
• 1:03:10
  think we had like four or five scenes at this point whether
• 1:03:13
  they died or they were just like on the ground together, like,
• 1:03:17
  with the crow seen. For example, I just want a
• 1:03:22
  compilation of that, but yeah, I absolutely loved this scene even
• 1:03:26
  though it was like heartbreaking and I was just like, oh my God,
• 1:03:31
  but like the emotion, and the realization of that scene and
• 1:03:34
  then what came after and how it all tied into even the third era
• 1:03:40
  was heartbreaking, but also kind of beautiful at the same time.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah, I would say that and I'm just realizing this now is that,
• 1:03:50
  yes, he's been learning how to love and throughout the show how
• 1:03:55
  to love properly in a healthier way because obviously, when she
• 1:04:00
  he perceives that she portrays him and she goes to Shaolin,
• 1:04:04
  it's like this rage and jealousy that he's exhibiting and it's
• 1:04:09
  very volatile and we see that played out and then, you know,
• 1:04:13
  she sacrifices herself and Moves his evil bone and he realizes
• 1:04:18
  all these things that she's done for him and it kind of
• 1:04:20
  translates into, she loved him this whole time.
• 1:04:23
  He goes into this deep depression, this grief and
• 1:04:27
  descent into madness where it almost put culminates into.
• 1:04:31
  Now, his love is all about possession, you know, you belong
• 1:04:35
  to me and I belong to you. You can't leave me.
• 1:04:39
  I didn't give you permission to leave.
• 1:04:40
  If you can't come to me, I will go to you and all of these
• 1:04:44
  different things that he says during this Time.
• 1:04:47
  And one thing that I like that he said, was, he says that he
• 1:04:52
  wanted to be good to the widows and orphans, shame the same as
• 1:04:55
  she was. But now that she's gone.
• 1:04:57
  He doesn't care about anything. And he sort of detaches himself
• 1:05:02
  from this really Noble concept that she instilled in him, which
• 1:05:07
  was you got, you just have to care about people.
• 1:05:10
  You can't just care about yourself and the people
• 1:05:12
  immediately around you. You should care about the world
• 1:05:15
  because you're in a position. Of leadership and you can
• 1:05:17
  change. You have the power to change the
• 1:05:19
  world's and affect the world. So it's really tough to see him
• 1:05:24
  go through the suicide attempts with the snow white thing.
• 1:05:27
  He tried to freeze them and then they go through the fire and he
• 1:05:32
  leaves the throne and gives it to I guess.
• 1:05:34
  I think it was the brother and, you know, he decides to, you
• 1:05:40
  know, indulge in his grief and to try and find.
• 1:05:46
  Her in the nether worlds which is like the whole 500 years
• 1:05:49
  later, time drunk, that happens. And, you know, just giving ahead
• 1:05:53
  a little bit, his love evolved even further to be selfless,
• 1:05:58
  right? Where he ends up, like, giving
• 1:06:00
  up the chance to be with her at the detriment of the world to
• 1:06:04
  choosing to save the world and you know negate himself in that
• 1:06:10
  manner. So I think that's like really
• 1:06:13
  cool to see the evolution of his love and How he loves her?
• 1:06:19
  I think like that's why his character was done so well it's
• 1:06:26
  because it's Evolution and the journey that you know 10
• 1:06:31
  taejin's character goes on. It comes full circle and it
• 1:06:35
  comes to the end and you would never have imagined that the
• 1:06:40
  character that he is at the end. Would have come from the
• 1:06:44
  character that he started off as and I think he was played.
• 1:06:48
  So So, you know, so well but also there's these like quotes,
• 1:06:53
  I don't know. There's like these quotes that
• 1:06:56
  like the hero will give up his love for the world.
• 1:06:59
  But, you know, the demon will give up the world for the you
• 1:07:03
  know the world for his love that sort of thing.
• 1:07:06
  Right. But he kind of goes through that
• 1:07:09
  Journey we're in you know, right after she dies, he gives
• 1:07:14
  everything up but he leaves it. He He lays his plans out before
• 1:07:20
  he does because you Ching Wu comes in and he's like, snap out
• 1:07:25
  of it, this is not what my sister would have wanted.
• 1:07:28
  This is not you are not honoring her and he kind of like snaps
• 1:07:32
  him out of it, long enough for him to set everything into
• 1:07:36
  motion for him to leave. And I think that was really,
• 1:07:40
  really important because if tan Tae Jin had just kind of like
• 1:07:43
  abandoned this world that he had created and not care.
• 1:07:48
  And at all for it, it would have shown that his character hadn't
• 1:07:52
  come, as far as it had. So I was really happy to see
• 1:07:56
  that he left everything kind of like planned out and you know,
• 1:07:59
  left his world in a better condition which just kind of
• 1:08:04
  like showed how good of a ruler, he was in a sense because yes,
• 1:08:08
  he did UND uljin what he wanted, but he also knew that hit the
• 1:08:12
  world he had created would be left in, you know, good hands.
• 1:08:18
  So that Allowed him to kind of like move on and you know, to go
• 1:08:22
  find her. So he kind of like did the two
• 1:08:25
  things, he kind of protected the world and went, you know,
• 1:08:28
  indulged himself. So I really enjoyed that whole
• 1:08:33
  aspect of it. Moving ahead where your head be
• 1:08:37
  are now in the immortal Kingdom because they have the this
• 1:08:42
  competition to catch demons or whatever.
• 1:08:44
  Like the immortal sex get together and have a little a
• 1:08:46
  little competition friendly. Ian friendly quote unquote.
• 1:08:50
  And they have their reunions seen as sung, human and Susu for
• 1:08:56
  the first time, I was underwhelmed.
• 1:08:59
  What did you guys think? I could have been more.
• 1:09:04
  But I kind of loved how he caught her out because he it
• 1:09:09
  just shows like how kind of like?
• 1:09:13
  Well, he knows that because he just goes, I'll find.
• 1:09:15
  Let's go find Shaolin. And she goes.
• 1:09:17
  All right, and it's Like, and then the realization on her face
• 1:09:20
  Tash like, you know, I kind of liked, that's how you know, he,
• 1:09:27
  he kind of like caught her in her life and it was just so
• 1:09:31
  effortless for her to say, oh yeah, let's go find him and it
• 1:09:34
  just, you know, I yes, it could have been Grandeur like them
• 1:09:40
  they're meeting, could have been grand a little bit, but I also
• 1:09:43
  kind of liked how, you know, he caught her out on her life very,
• 1:09:47
  very quickly. Caitlin, I agree.
• 1:09:52
  I think, I think they needed that very kind of casual
• 1:09:58
  reunions because the next part of them together was just so
• 1:10:02
  epic. If they had back-to-back epic
• 1:10:07
  scenes, I don't think the second would have been as epic, and as
• 1:10:10
  meaningful as it would have felt.
• 1:10:13
  I also will say, though, in my opinion, I think the first time
• 1:10:17
  they, it was Way too long to wait in terms of like that like
• 1:10:22
  they should have. I don't think it needed us an
• 1:10:24
  entire episode of them not seeing each other, at least
• 1:10:27
  maybe even the Couple Episode. I can't remember.
• 1:10:31
  Yeah, I think it was almost two episodes until they grata
• 1:10:33
  reunions which I thought we had a little too long but yeah, I
• 1:10:36
  have to agree. I like the fact that it was more
• 1:10:38
  casual because the second time they got together was just so
• 1:10:42
  Grand and epic. I don't think it would have had
• 1:10:45
  much of a as much of a Emotional impact if their reunions was
• 1:10:51
  just as epic and Grand. Hmm.
• 1:10:58
  There is a fight that happens between human and the white
• 1:11:02
  hair. It's the yin, and I thought it
• 1:11:04
  was very good, a very well choreographed fight.
• 1:11:07
  And he does the kick move with the sword that he liked kicks.
• 1:11:10
  The sword? Dear, do you remember this?
• 1:11:14
  Anyway, it's amazing. And he starts merging with the
• 1:11:20
  the seal or whatever that they have.
• 1:11:21
  Their it's one of the evil instruments And I love the
• 1:11:28
  moment where one eye turns red and the other stays black and of
• 1:11:31
  course the eye the eye, the turns stays black is the one
• 1:11:34
  that she gave him. You know, it's her eye and
• 1:11:40
  again, her struggle verbatim. It's very like Harry Potter.
• 1:11:44
  Esk, Order of the Phoenix, Harry fighting off the Voldemort
• 1:11:48
  position. Very good stuff.
• 1:11:50
  And this brings me to another character that I think Caitlyn
• 1:11:54
  you had issues with the god of monsters.
• 1:11:57
  Her biological father. How do you think?
• 1:12:01
  Did you believe this man for you in a second that he had turned a
• 1:12:03
  new leaf and was not at all? No.
• 1:12:08
  Did anyone did anyone at all, believe he turned and I had, I
• 1:12:12
  had. So, what happened was, I
• 1:12:15
  apparently am very gullible scuzz when he came back on the
• 1:12:19
  scene and was like, he busted out of the Bear in abyss and
• 1:12:24
  went to the immortal sex. I was like, oh okay, so maybe I
• 1:12:28
  misunderstood the entirety of Bora Bora life and he wasn't
• 1:12:34
  maybe that evil and he was this undercover spy.
• 1:12:37
  That was kidding. Info and had defected on
• 1:12:40
  purpose. No, no, no.
• 1:12:42
  Like they got me so freaking dirty when he was like and he
• 1:12:46
  was getting real sketchy to and I was still like man he's
• 1:12:49
  sketchy and didn't put any pieces together.
• 1:12:55
  What he goes like full crazy and it's like fully evil and
• 1:13:00
  absorbs. The the devil bone and all this
• 1:13:03
  stuff and connects with the devil.
• 1:13:05
  God I was like, well fuck, I'm screwed.
• 1:13:09
  I just I should have seen it coming.
• 1:13:11
  I was like the idiot that didn't read the tea leaves on that, I
• 1:13:13
  love that by lose character did did not take like didn't saw
• 1:13:19
  right through him as well. Like she didn't.
• 1:13:21
  Yeah well she built she trusted like Zhou, Ming more than or ten
• 1:13:27
  teijin more than her biological father, which is like whoa.
• 1:13:31
  Right. I think at that point, though,
• 1:13:34
  that just shows again, how much deaf come as a A couple and as
• 1:13:39
  you know, characters because she's like no, I don't believe
• 1:13:43
  like not for one second. She believed that Salman German
• 1:13:48
  could have done that at that point.
• 1:13:50
  Like she knew him and she was like, no, it wasn't him.
• 1:13:53
  Like and I also loved the fact that his shift for so.
• 1:13:58
  His master also did not believe him straight away.
• 1:14:02
  He was like I know who you are and I he I said I you know, Him
• 1:14:09
  and the adopted, you know, Lisa Suzanne adopted, father are
• 1:14:12
  probably the only two good Immortals in this whole drama
• 1:14:16
  and I feel like you know Soldier means you know Master him
• 1:14:25
  believing him. It's kind of like the father
• 1:14:28
  figure that tan Tae Jin never had and that's how I saw that.
• 1:14:33
  It was that unquestionable you know fatherly of love that.
• 1:14:38
  That antigen has never seen before and that just adds to
• 1:14:43
  this want of tan taejin he could have gone in a whole different
• 1:14:49
  direction. Now, I sort of like mentioned
• 1:14:52
  this for me. I had a theory that there was
• 1:14:56
  like three people controlling the whole drama in sorts of the
• 1:15:01
  whole plot that was the devil Gorge jizya which is the gorge
• 1:15:06
  of time. And then, Little disciple that
• 1:15:09
  he kicks down to earth, which is, you know, the guy who then
• 1:15:13
  becomes pangu, sir, I think his name's panties which is like the
• 1:15:17
  shaolin's right-hand man, I've always thought that like the
• 1:15:21
  three of them are dictating the story in terms of like you know
• 1:15:25
  pushing them here and there and you can see that because he's so
• 1:15:31
  drunk tank. I could never say his name but
• 1:15:33
  Tan taejin in the yellow 500 years, sound Roman tomb.
• 1:15:37
  In when he He is found by the river by his master, it was Pang
• 1:15:41
  user that told him to go and find him.
• 1:15:44
  And it's like all of these threads are connected back to
• 1:15:47
  those three characters and it's like they're sort of like game
• 1:15:50
  of sorts to win tun taejin over. But in this process of doing so
• 1:15:56
  they kind of taught him how to love and it kind of like showed
• 1:16:00
  him fatherly. Love it showed him.
• 1:16:02
  You know, you she Woo's. Love it showed acceptance from a
• 1:16:05
  clan that he kind of like they had never seen before.
• 1:16:08
  So I yeah, I think those scenes were really, really important
• 1:16:14
  and in that aspect of then him like selflessly giving himself
• 1:16:18
  up to save the world later on. You know, talking about that
• 1:16:21
  character that has Consciousness was like in that little like I
• 1:16:26
  was there alone with, so yeah. Yeah, he was the one that
• 1:16:30
  demanded some heart blood from 10th age in back in the day and
• 1:16:34
  yeah, used these elements that he had collected like a tear
• 1:16:37
  from the Their enemy or so I don't even know all these.
• 1:16:41
  It was a tape from the like heartbreak.
• 1:16:43
  So he collected the tape for me a big.
• 1:16:45
  Yes, right before she killed herself.
• 1:16:46
  Yeah, he did this forbidden magic to basically, resurrect
• 1:16:50
  Shaolin and create this version of him.
• 1:16:53
  Do I wish that they had gone? The route of there would be a
• 1:16:59
  consequences to this using this dark magic, and that is why he
• 1:17:04
  sort of went to the dark side and the final episodes instead
• 1:17:07
  of He has this like weird jealousy inferiority complex and
• 1:17:13
  wants to win over 10 psi gin or sung human.
• 1:17:18
  So I wish that that was the case and that they had gone that
• 1:17:22
  route versus there really is no consequences to doing this like
• 1:17:25
  bit of dark magic to get your friend back.
• 1:17:28
  Yeah, it kind of would have made more sense in terms of what
• 1:17:32
  you're saying because The whole scenes where tan taejun's
• 1:17:37
  character. I mean he wasn't taunt engine at
• 1:17:40
  the time, but like, when he was Shackled to that pillar and
• 1:17:45
  Episode 34, and go ahead Liliana I just have to say this before I
• 1:17:53
  forget. Do you know?
• 1:17:54
  So basically, where he's Shackled is the exact same place
• 1:17:58
  that his master died before. She went back. 500 years ago,
• 1:18:02
  did you guys notice that little thing?
• 1:18:05
  No, I did not know. Didn't I know you didn't got no
• 1:18:08
  no he didn't die. Sorry he was Shackled to those
• 1:18:11
  pillars 500 years ago before he gets rescued.
• 1:18:16
  Okay? So anyway.
• 1:18:17
  Yeah that was just something I so he's at Saint, John means
• 1:18:21
  Master. He was Shackled to those pillars
• 1:18:25
  by the devil, God. And then, he gets rescued and
• 1:18:28
  taken to the other side? Yeah, it's the same.
• 1:18:31
  It's the same pillars. It's the same people.
• 1:18:34
  Sorry. It's just, it's the same place
• 1:18:37
  right here, sir. Yeah, carry on connection alive.
• 1:18:41
  It's back to your point. Jessica, in terms of like hit,
• 1:18:43
  jibu being resurrected. And there was like, seemed to be
• 1:18:46
  no consequence using that dark magic.
• 1:18:49
  I think it would have been the Better story.
• 1:18:54
  If the consequence was him becoming what the bio dad was.
• 1:19:01
  I mean he didn't remember his lives or anything so he had to
• 1:19:05
  watch it when when Susu showed it to them in the scene when he
• 1:19:11
  when yeah Episode 34 was Josh, actually don't kill him.
• 1:19:18
  He's fine. So I think it would have made
• 1:19:20
  better said since in terms of, instead of him becoming evil due
• 1:19:24
  to jealousy or whatever it was, either him teaming up with the
• 1:19:29
  bio dad or him like doing some sort of story to connect it,
• 1:19:35
  back to the fact that he really was not supposed to be there.
• 1:19:38
  Like he was not supposed to be resurrected or if he was he
• 1:19:42
  wasn't supposed to be resurrected like he was, he was
• 1:19:44
  never reborn. He never was reincarnated.
• 1:19:47
  Like the other characters might have been so I agree with you.
• 1:19:51
  I think it would have made a better story if there was a
• 1:19:54
  written in consequence and maybe there was maybe it was a Thing
• 1:19:58
  of like the editing room or anything like that but again I
• 1:20:04
  just don't I did not see the point of his character going
• 1:20:07
  evil. Other than the fact that he was
• 1:20:09
  jealous which there was just not a lot of context, even the
• 1:20:12
  support the jealousy part obviously due to probably
• 1:20:16
  cutting because honestly like one last thing on this whole
• 1:20:20
  jealousy thing is that she was like what a child when she
• 1:20:24
  caught fire suddenly and they had to put her in the river so
• 1:20:26
  that she could. Go under extreme meditation for
• 1:20:30
  like ten years so he didn't know her for that long.
• 1:20:33
  And what kind of romance Could children possibly get up to
• 1:20:36
  before? She's it for a decade in a
• 1:20:40
  seclusion. So I'm like, what kind of I
• 1:20:44
  mean? Granted, they were to be honest
• 1:20:46
  and also apparently like they when they were event that when
• 1:20:50
  they were boring fathers were like, you're going to be
• 1:20:53
  married, which obviously happens a lot in these historical dramas
• 1:20:57
  over. ER all.
• 1:20:57
  But yeah, I just, I think it would have made a better story.
• 1:21:01
  If as you were saying, Jessica, in terms of, if we saw a
• 1:21:04
  consequence of using that dark magic and I thought it would
• 1:21:07
  have been a better story of him, teaming up with the bio dad to
• 1:21:11
  some contacts. big, big scene in episode 34 because song juman is
• 1:21:18
  blamed for the murder of this rapist and he strung up by
• 1:21:22
  chains and they figure out finally that he is the demon
• 1:21:26
  fetus and sousou's bio, Dad shows up to cruelly, expose him
• 1:21:33
  his entire life, his whole struggle was arranged beforehand
• 1:21:38
  in this prophecy that the devil God implemented, 10,000 years
• 1:21:42
  ago and they have this voiceover from the devil God saying that
• 1:21:46
  he's experienced everything suspicion, hate disappointment
• 1:21:50
  and that they'll never believe anything that he claims.
• 1:21:52
  And he's just feeding into this narrative, that he's helpless
• 1:21:57
  unless he becomes the devil. God, and I like he's talking
• 1:22:01
  about, oh, you feel like the cold running through your veins
• 1:22:04
  and stuff and it's kind of like a visceral sort of thing.
• 1:22:08
  Physical reaction, that the devil God narration is talking
• 1:22:12
  through and then, boom. His eyes turned red and he like
• 1:22:16
  gives into the devil God's spirit or whatever and it's very
• 1:22:22
  impactful. This whole scene was like
• 1:22:24
  heartbreaking to me and suzu showing up late to, like save
• 1:22:28
  him and stuff. Lots of going.
• 1:22:31
  I also and I also think just right before that scene, there's
• 1:22:36
  a line that I really really liked and it said by seeing so
• 1:22:41
  the - yeah the Whitehead demoness, that's up on the cloud
• 1:22:46
  and she says they've started beating him without even
• 1:22:49
  investigating and it's like it shows you like a demon is saying
• 1:22:55
  that to about the Heavenly Clan. So I really really loved that.
• 1:23:01
  It's such a small thing that it's kind of like almost very
• 1:23:04
  easily be dismissed, but it's like it's showing you so much
• 1:23:08
  within the space of like five seconds.
• 1:23:10
  So I really did love that that little, you know, Little wine
• 1:23:16
  like that. Yes, seen pretty much gives you
• 1:23:19
  a preview of what's going to happen at the end.
• 1:23:21
  Like he was all ready to die because he didn't want it to be
• 1:23:27
  exposed that Susu had the Deep the devil bone in her.
• 1:23:33
  So he was already to be like, yeah, I'm the worst person you
• 1:23:37
  possibly can think of. I killed the guy murder me right
• 1:23:41
  now, like and that Is just the preview of like what was going
• 1:23:46
  to happen in terms of what happened afterwards and the
• 1:23:49
  whole course of his character afterwards.
• 1:23:53
  And I think that speaks a lot in terms of his character growth,
• 1:23:58
  their relationship growth like him, just deciding that I'm
• 1:24:04
  going to sacrifice myself either for her at that moment, it was
• 1:24:09
  her like he was sacrificing himself for her because he
• 1:24:12
  didn't want her being Closed and then eventually he sacrificed
• 1:24:16
  himself in various other ways throughout the rest of the drama
• 1:24:20
  for other people, for the world for her for that in general.
• 1:24:26
  So, I like that. Yeah, they end up giving him the
• 1:24:33
  heart guarding scale to mend because it's somehow like
• 1:24:36
  broken. And they tell him to listen with
• 1:24:39
  his heart, which I was like, listen to you.
• 1:24:44
  I don't know, I get these moments where I'm like, yes
• 1:24:46
  lyrics, he sees vignette after vignette of good scenarios, the
• 1:24:52
  grandmother living and handing out red envelopes.
• 1:24:57
  Sorry issues grandmother the citizens laughing and dancing
• 1:25:01
  Sunday. You saying to Ming Wei like
• 1:25:03
  talking about apples. Like have an apple and just
• 1:25:08
  prosperity and goodness. Yes.
• 1:25:09
  She was whole family alive and well, her brother her dad
• 1:25:12
  everybody. Ming Wei also looking down at
• 1:25:16
  him from the heavens and it's just very emotional to see
• 1:25:20
  everything backwards and actually positive.
• 1:25:24
  And he reaches this Revelation, right?
• 1:25:26
  Like he was so deep thinking about himself whirring, fearful
• 1:25:34
  of his destiny that he totally missed the point as long as he
• 1:25:37
  chooses to see the good and virtue in the world, he'll never
• 1:25:41
  essentially give in to the dark side.
• 1:25:44
  And they tell him like it's not about being an immortal or a
• 1:25:46
  devil which I'm like finally someone says it in a ciancia and
• 1:25:52
  you know, the uncle and the adoptive father tell him like
• 1:25:55
  you have to choose. It's your choice.
• 1:25:58
  Really powerful stuff which is what we were talking about
• 1:26:00
  earlier about the theme of you choose, right?
• 1:26:04
  No matter what prophecy our destiny, Our Fate is bestowed
• 1:26:08
  upon you. You still always have a choice.
• 1:26:11
  So I love that. Yes.
• 1:26:14
  And the sketch charm that they Circle back on.
• 1:26:19
  He uses the sketch charm again and then he says, no senior is
• 1:26:23
  better than being with you for all eternity.
• 1:26:27
  I loved I loved loved loved that scene but also that seen kind of
• 1:26:33
  like is a lot deeper in terms of.
• 1:26:36
  So when she first showed him that sketch, he could never have
• 1:26:41
  done it. And that's and she kind of like
• 1:26:42
  used that sketch as like a check in with him because once he
• 1:26:47
  would have been able to do it, she would Know that he would be
• 1:26:49
  safe from like the devil, God's influence, because only those of
• 1:26:53
  like pure heart and whatever can use that sketch and like that,
• 1:26:57
  you know, Mark and like make it happen.
• 1:27:00
  So once he's done it, I think it kind of like also shows Li Susu
• 1:27:05
  exactly where he's at and the fact that he does it in by the
• 1:27:10
  river where she tells him, 500 years ago that you know this was
• 1:27:16
  the spot She Used to Love by this River.
• 1:27:19
  And he says to her, I would love to see it with you one day and
• 1:27:22
  whatnot. And she knows that that point
• 1:27:24
  that that's never going to happen.
• 1:27:25
  But the fact that then 500 years later that river is exactly
• 1:27:29
  where he kinda like shows the sketch to her.
• 1:27:31
  It's kind of like, I loved that little link and you know what
• 1:27:36
  how much that you know seen meant What a great adoptive
• 1:27:44
  father like for a second. Let's talk about this dad
• 1:27:47
  because he's amazing. He she comes up and tells him.
• 1:27:50
  Look, I don't think I'm going to do the heartless tactics.
• 1:27:52
  I'm still tied to 10th igeon romantically and he's the one.
• 1:27:57
  And it's so heartwarming because he says that, you know, his
• 1:28:01
  opinion doesn't really matter, he trust her judgment.
• 1:28:05
  Besides this guy has refined the heart guarding scale, which
• 1:28:08
  shows that he's a good person. He's a powerful cultivator, and
• 1:28:11
  He supports her no questions asked just completely wants her
• 1:28:15
  to be happy and then in contrast the bio dad pulls up and is like
• 1:28:19
  what's wrong with you? Why do you have the evil bone?
• 1:28:22
  It's definitely 10th in making you do all these crazy things
• 1:28:26
  and make wrong decisions and it's he's completely out of line
• 1:28:30
  and you're like, oh, the difference between the two dads
• 1:28:34
  and the fact that she had such a wonderful adoptive, father is I
• 1:28:37
  feel pretty rare for for a stanza drama.
• 1:28:42
  Absolutely. Like, I loved it and I loved
• 1:28:46
  this is maybe skipping ahead a little bit, but like I said
• 1:28:49
  earlier on I absolutely loved her love letter to her adopted.
• 1:28:54
  Father, it's in episode 38. And, you know, I actually wrote
• 1:28:59
  her whole quote down because I just love it that much.
• 1:29:03
  It's the fact that she knows. It's also like that theme of
• 1:29:08
  blood is not thicker than water. I like blood means nothing in
• 1:29:14
  this drama. It's like those connections that
• 1:29:16
  are formed were formed and they are stronger than the
• 1:29:21
  connections, you know, that are biologically there.
• 1:29:24
  So I really really liked that theme as well and like I said I
• 1:29:28
  just loved their relationship. You know her adoptive father was
• 1:29:32
  just probably the only good Immortal together with you know,
• 1:29:37
  thank you means Master. Yeah.
• 1:29:39
  The uncle, those two were just great.
• 1:29:41
  As you know, father figures in the drama and they were like
• 1:29:45
  true Immortals, I think. Because they question things and
• 1:29:50
  they were supportive and they are what an immortal is supposed
• 1:29:54
  to be. I think let's skip to the end
• 1:29:57
  game episodes because what the fuck did you guys think that
• 1:30:02
  this was going to end badly? That this wasn't going to be a
• 1:30:06
  yes dry happy ending from episode 1.
• 1:30:09
  I said to myself and I I think I said it in my poor, the car from
• 1:30:13
  episode 1. I knew this was going to be
• 1:30:16
  tragic. I did not for one second kidded
• 1:30:19
  myself that they were going to give it a happy ending because
• 1:30:22
  it doesn't fit the drama, it doesn't fit their message.
• 1:30:26
  It doesn't fit their love story. That is not what you know this
• 1:30:30
  drama is about. It's the fact that even in those
• 1:30:33
  very small moments because realistically speaking their
• 1:30:36
  time together in the in terms of like in Mortal lives was very
• 1:30:41
  Very small, but their love and their, you know, the strength of
• 1:30:44
  their love was so impactful that it will last for a lifetime.
• 1:30:48
  Even if they're not together. And I always thought now
• 1:30:52
  watching it was a whole different thing because I was
• 1:30:56
  kind of like prepared for a bad ending but I was still watching
• 1:31:00
  it bawling crying, you know, the whole nine yards but like I knew
• 1:31:06
  from day one that I was like going into it, that there was no
• 1:31:09
  way they would, if If they were to give it a happy ending, I for
• 1:31:13
  me, would have been in something like, you know, a special
• 1:31:16
  episode later on or something separate from the main drama,
• 1:31:20
  because I just feel like this kind of drama calls for a and is
• 1:31:26
  it really? It's kind of like it's open to
• 1:31:28
  interpretation because he's there he is, there he is.
• 1:31:32
  Inside that scale, he's just coming back.
• 1:31:36
  You know, you just you know that eventually he'll come by at
• 1:31:39
  least I think eventually he will.
• 1:31:43
  His spirit is still there and in she answers, you know, unless
• 1:31:46
  your spirit you like your core is completely shattered.
• 1:31:50
  There's always a chance you'll come back and, you know, there
• 1:31:53
  was like a string of him saved within that shell.
• 1:31:56
  So that hard, you know, things guarding yeah scale.
• 1:32:01
  So there's always a chance he'll come back, but I for once
• 1:32:04
  actually liked how they kind of left it a little bit open a
• 1:32:08
  little bit sad because I feel like it suits this drama, I'm
• 1:32:12
  Caitlyn. Yeah, I mean I didn't think it
• 1:32:14
  would happen. You'd like from day one like
• 1:32:17
  Liliana but like I think probably pretty much at the
• 1:32:21
  beginning of the third era. I was like this is not going to
• 1:32:24
  have a baby together happy ending.
• 1:32:27
  I honestly thought because again I watch this after so I didn't
• 1:32:32
  know the ending but I definitely saw people's reactions to the
• 1:32:36
  ending. I didn't I was expecting a much
• 1:32:39
  worse. Ending do the people's reactions
• 1:32:41
  them what it was like. Same agree.
• 1:32:44
  I was perfectly fine with the ending of this.
• 1:32:46
  It wasn't like as Liliana said, it wasn't like he was completely
• 1:32:50
  gone. It wasn't like, they weren't
• 1:32:52
  together and that was never going to happen again.
• 1:32:56
  So I was expecting a far worse, sad ending.
• 1:32:59
  But I mean granted I said this earlier, like maybe before we
• 1:33:03
  started recording like I was expecting to be crying
• 1:33:06
  throughout this wrong. And honestly, I really didn't
• 1:33:09
  except for their goodbye at the very end that was when I like
• 1:33:13
  started crying. But yeah, I was expecting, do to
• 1:33:17
  people's reactions and how much like you either.
• 1:33:21
  Love the ending and was okay with the ending, or you
• 1:33:24
  absolutely hated the ending. I was expecting a far worse,
• 1:33:28
  ending than what we got, and I am perfectly happy with the
• 1:33:32
  ending. We got I think I feel the same
• 1:33:37
  way. I thought the ending was going
• 1:33:39
  to be the acting world ending, okay?
• 1:33:43
  It was not that bad and I did get spoiled online, it was my
• 1:33:47
  fault because I told Tick-Tock that I love till the end of the
• 1:33:51
  Moon edit so it gave me every fucking video Under the Sun and
• 1:33:55
  I got spoiled but that's fine again.
• 1:33:58
  I thought it was going to be way worse than it was.
• 1:33:59
  It was actually really appropriate for me personally
• 1:34:02
  and it didn't feel like it. Ended on a low note.
• 1:34:05
  It felt like it ended on a high note, a very positive optimistic
• 1:34:09
  note that. Yes, he might come back because
• 1:34:11
  he's sir something of his, in the heart grading scale, whether
• 1:34:14
  it's his Essence Spirit Consciousness, whatever the fuck
• 1:34:18
  I would love to hear from people who are listening.
• 1:34:22
  And if you come this far, please let me know.
• 1:34:24
  Like, what did you think of the ending?
• 1:34:25
  Let us know. If you're one of these people
• 1:34:27
  that really wants a happy ever after.
• 1:34:30
  For these young says, I don't think that's I personally feel
• 1:34:35
  like it had depends on the story, right?
• 1:34:37
  For this story like Liliana was saying, it wasn't warranted to
• 1:34:40
  have like a completely wonderful happily ever after.
• 1:34:45
  With this couple that being said, there are no, go ahead
• 1:34:50
  Liliana now, it's just going to say, but also like that Legacy
• 1:34:55
  lives on in their daughter. Yes.
• 1:34:57
  Like the, the, the their love lives on through their daughter.
• 1:35:04
  And I kind of loved the fact that that's how it ends.
• 1:35:07
  Now I think a lot of people that were a little bit more, you know
• 1:35:13
  miffed about the ending. It's a lot of people that had
• 1:35:16
  read the book. The book does finish like this
• 1:35:19
  like he, he does die but you know but then there is an
• 1:35:23
  epilogue chapter where he comes back Susu goes and finds him and
• 1:35:28
  brings him back and there's like this reunions with, you know,
• 1:35:32
  with him and his daughter. And I think a lot of people just
• 1:35:37
  wanted that seen as well. Obviously youku chose to go
• 1:35:41
  different direction but I think like just going back just a
• 1:35:45
  little bit because there's just like one line that I absolutely
• 1:35:49
  loved and it is like through their goodbyes and it's when Sue
• 1:35:53
  Sue says I didn't expect the my existence was made for your day.
• 1:35:57
  Oh my God. And I'm like, but like and then
• 1:36:00
  like just stuff like she says to him, I have a A lot to say to
• 1:36:05
  you and he goes I'm listening and she says, I don't want it,
• 1:36:09
  you're just bad. Like I don't want to say it to
• 1:36:12
  you right now. I think.
• 1:36:13
  What does he say? Yeah, she says, but you're too
• 1:36:15
  bad. I don't want to say them
• 1:36:17
  anymore, and it's like, oh, Mike's time.
• 1:36:20
  And the thing is, you know, that one of those things that she
• 1:36:24
  probably wants, is I love him? Is there love you?
• 1:36:26
  Is I love you. Yeah, but she is again in this
• 1:36:31
  position again in this position where she has to kill it, And
• 1:36:35
  it's like it's the whole situation from 500 years ago.
• 1:36:39
  But this time she knows there is no turning back.
• 1:36:41
  She knows there's no way she can have her cake and eat it too
• 1:36:44
  like she can't save the world and save him.
• 1:36:47
  So I just feel like this was fitting because also the one
• 1:36:52
  person that everybody thinks is evil is the one person that
• 1:36:57
  saves the world and it's like it's such a fitting end to him
• 1:37:01
  as a character he went from absolutely hating.
• 1:37:04
  In the world to being the only one who could say no.
• 1:37:06
  And I'm like, it's beautiful storytelling.
• 1:37:10
  And like I said, their legacy lives on in their daughter and I
• 1:37:14
  just feel like her daughter's going to be doing great things.
• 1:37:17
  I love the scene where he, it was like an episode. 38, I
• 1:37:22
  think, he know, maybe not no, 37, the double Palace is
• 1:37:29
  activated and it's like a stunning scene where the broken
• 1:37:32
  pieces and boulders of this. Think Tamar reassembling under
• 1:37:36
  his feet as he walked. I thought that was a really
• 1:37:38
  beautiful scene. You get that twin scene where
• 1:37:40
  him in the double God are facing off in the devil.
• 1:37:43
  God's talking about his grand plan about the chaos of the
• 1:37:45
  world and all his bullshit. I'm like this is a great scene,
• 1:37:51
  I don't know why but the random vampire demon that happened in
• 1:37:54
  that episode where he was on this giant web in the baron
• 1:37:58
  Abyss. I don't even know what the fuck
• 1:37:59
  is going on there. But she says your blood contains
• 1:38:02
  a slight sweetness and a touch of sunshine.
• 1:38:04
  I'm and I was like, whoa! Whoa!
• 1:38:06
  Not the touch of sunshine. Again, a lot of pacing issues in
• 1:38:12
  the later episodes. Just like we said, and I don't
• 1:38:16
  understand why for a few episodes there like especially
• 1:38:19
  the last five episodes. It felt like sousou was on the
• 1:38:22
  back burner, not really a player necessarily just.
• 1:38:26
  I felt like they sidelined her too much and she was
• 1:38:30
  unconscious. She was late.
• 1:38:31
  She was this, she was running around the baron Abyss for God
• 1:38:33
  knows how long. I'm trying to find the pallets.
• 1:38:35
  It was like she wasn't really a factor in a lot of things there
• 1:38:39
  but he creates his own Bora life and they have sex in the Border
• 1:38:45
  life again and there was a question on line that I saw
• 1:38:50
  that. Someone was like, can you get
• 1:38:51
  pregnant inside? Were left answers.
• 1:38:53
  Yes, yeah. Well apparently, you can't have
• 1:38:56
  a damn its yes. But yeah, so she turns into the
• 1:39:01
  goddess. It's a very Rea Skywalker.
• 1:39:04
  A moment because she, like, he's pushing her to be the goddess
• 1:39:09
  and to kill off his her love for him, so that she can achieve
• 1:39:13
  godhood through the heartless tactics was just like this
• 1:39:15
  really elaborate scheme that he comes up with, but she does it.
• 1:39:19
  And she sees all the gods that came before including her mom,
• 1:39:22
  and they said, we've been waiting for you and all this
• 1:39:24
  stuff, the costume change for her being the goddess 10/10.
• 1:39:28
  No notes on that. And of course, they still have
• 1:39:32
  their goodbye. It's sad as And then to nail
• 1:39:37
  another nail in the coffin, is she wakes up in the Jing tombs?
• 1:39:41
  And she realizes that he planned for his death and that he wrote
• 1:39:43
  his own Epitaph on his Tombstone, her hugging, a
• 1:39:49
  tombstone, a cry of. Yeah, I just because that scene
• 1:39:53
  is a throwback to when he did that when he went to visit like
• 1:39:57
  the tombs himself after she died and also like I I loved I I love
• 1:40:04
  that whole that whole scene and it's the fact that he writes
• 1:40:10
  here lies like issue beloved wife of ten taiji.
• 1:40:13
  But when it comes to his tombstone he doesn't write
• 1:40:17
  beloved because at that point in time he still doesn't believe
• 1:40:20
  that she loves him. I didn't so like on his like on
• 1:40:24
  here Tombstone it says beloved but on his Tombstone it does
• 1:40:28
  not. It just says like the husband of
• 1:40:31
  year you do? Yes, you were at that point.
• 1:40:33
  So I Like, it's like, little things like that, that just make
• 1:40:37
  this drama stand out and also one of the lines that I also
• 1:40:41
  really, really loved. It's just a line that Sanju
• 1:40:43
  means Master says, and it's when he takes him back and like, his
• 1:40:49
  master is dying and he says, no one is meant to live in the dot
• 1:40:52
  in darkness forever and I'm like that line is so powerful because
• 1:40:58
  that's exactly what he thinks his life is meant to be, but
• 1:41:02
  he's had a taste of like the light.
• 1:41:04
  Right? And that he's decided, that's
• 1:41:06
  where he wants to stay. And I feel like that line is
• 1:41:09
  really sure, really to the point but really powerful thank you.
• 1:41:12
  Yes, or just shows like like you they had comments throughout
• 1:41:16
  from especially like the demons like interacting with when he
• 1:41:20
  became the devil lord again, They kept telling him like
• 1:41:25
  you're different. Like this is not the one that I
• 1:41:28
  encountered before, like you could tell that like between him
• 1:41:34
  going and and carving his own Stone.
• 1:41:38
  And it was a long drawn out, a plan on the decision that he
• 1:41:43
  made. And it was, I love the fact that
• 1:41:45
  it was his decision and like he chose.
• 1:41:50
  Like his own destiny and not having this prophecy, do it for
• 1:41:54
  him, but even with like, by lose character coming in and like
• 1:41:59
  saying like you're lying. Like your you would never say
• 1:42:02
  that when he was saying all this mean stuffed her as the devil
• 1:42:05
  lord, like people saw that was different like a different
• 1:42:09
  character of him. And I think that spoke to his
• 1:42:13
  character progression from what it was at the beginning of the
• 1:42:18
  drama. Yeah, it also speaks to likely
• 1:42:23
  and cheese acting because like, it was just slight differences
• 1:42:28
  but it made such a big impact on the character as a whole.
• 1:42:32
  And I feel like that's a strength that a, an actor or an
• 1:42:36
  actress, not everyone has it. But when they do, God, does it
• 1:42:40
  like it makes the performance? Like it takes it to the like it
• 1:42:45
  is stinking slightly distinguishes, a good actor from
• 1:42:47
  a great actor is like those little nuances.
• 1:42:51
  And it's the fact that he was almost playing two characters at
• 1:42:55
  exactly the same time and he showed it and like the audience
• 1:42:59
  could tell and lisu could tell and everybody could slightly
• 1:43:02
  tell there was something off with him.
• 1:43:04
  So yeah, I could nap on about his acting.
• 1:43:08
  Like for, you know, your whole day straightforward to wrap up.
• 1:43:12
  I got some funny nitpicks for you guys.
• 1:43:14
  Let's see, if you have any of your of your own, actually, this
• 1:43:17
  is not so funny. This is actually very serious.
• 1:43:19
  So the first time they're in broad daylight Life for a Ming
• 1:43:21
  Wei and song. Jews, love story, they have sex.
• 1:43:25
  She's like, you owe me a wedding night, right?
• 1:43:27
  But he's number one drunk number two, she poisons him to
• 1:43:32
  incapacitate him so that they can have a wedding night.
• 1:43:34
  And I was like, this is clearly rape and they the poison like
• 1:43:40
  weakened him and made him mute and even though he clearly
• 1:43:44
  wanted her and loved her and kissed her back, I just found it
• 1:43:46
  really plar problematic and I can't count it as a swoon worthy
• 1:43:50
  moment. And because I was like, what is
• 1:43:52
  going on? This is like wild.
• 1:43:54
  I can understand you're popping up and being like you owe me a
• 1:43:56
  wedding night but then she poisons him on top of like him
• 1:44:00
  being drunk. I was reeling over that because
• 1:44:03
  it felt very, you know, ten years ago.
• 1:44:07
  How are you guys? How do you guys feel about that?
• 1:44:10
  I was in two minds about it and I'll explain why before
• 1:44:14
  everybody jumps on me. So I on one side I was like,
• 1:44:19
  okay. This isn't the right seen?
• 1:44:22
  It isn't a Sunni seen. You know I wasn't swooned by it
• 1:44:27
  but on the other hand in terms of like these poisons there or
• 1:44:32
  you know these fruits whatever they're not meant to work on
• 1:44:36
  God's. So in theory he shouldn't have
• 1:44:39
  been affected by it but the drama kind of showed he was so
• 1:44:44
  that was a little bit confusing to me because when you're
• 1:44:47
  watching she Entre and whatnot these you know, fruits and
• 1:44:50
  whatnot. Then Meant to have an effect on
• 1:44:52
  you know, the true gods. And so which minghui at that
• 1:44:56
  point was so like for him to be this all-powerful and to be
• 1:45:00
  affected by a drug such a like little drug, he would have been
• 1:45:04
  able to kind of like take that drug out of him very quickly, so
• 1:45:10
  it's like, did he want it? Did you know, I don't know.
• 1:45:13
  Either way, it was still not, you know, not Kosher and they
• 1:45:17
  could have gone. Yeah.
• 1:45:18
  They could have gone in a different way.
• 1:45:20
  Way with that scene. So yeah, II don't know.
• 1:45:25
  I was like, I still think they could have written it
• 1:45:29
  differently but also, you know, was he really affected by it?
• 1:45:33
  Was he not, they kind of show. He is, but I feel like if the
• 1:45:37
  roles were reversed and he did that, so her people would be up
• 1:45:40
  in arms. Yeah, so it was a lot of people
• 1:45:43
  who were though, when it was airing a lot, a lot of people
• 1:45:46
  picked up on it and they were like, this isn't swoony.
• 1:45:49
  This is so nice. Like the reaction when that seen
• 1:45:52
  Ed a lot of people were saying and you know, this isn't right
• 1:45:56
  and a lot of people picked up on it.
• 1:45:58
  If it had been being away, drugging your Shi, woo, it would
• 1:46:02
  have been the other way around, you know, people would have been
• 1:46:04
  completely up in arms about it. Now, I don't know.
• 1:46:08
  I still think it could have been written differently.
• 1:46:11
  It could have been like. So to me a slight change that
• 1:46:14
  would have made this scene work would have been if they kind of
• 1:46:17
  like showed him pretending to be affected by It to kind of like,
• 1:46:21
  go with the scene if that does that make sense?
• 1:46:24
  Like if he has kind of like purified the toxin out of his
• 1:46:28
  body and cut, but kind of been like, I'm not affected by it,
• 1:46:31
  but I'm gonna pretend to be affected by it.
• 1:46:33
  To kind of like, go with the scene because of some sort of
• 1:46:37
  clearer consent or him. Like of course.
• 1:46:40
  He like I said they muddied the waters with him, he's kissing
• 1:46:43
  her back, he really wants her, he always loved her whatever but
• 1:46:47
  it's like you know it's not I don't feel, don't think.
• 1:46:50
  It's okay. Kalin did you have?
• 1:46:52
  Yeah, I kind of had that same thing like I I definitely
• 1:46:56
  thought like this was not Kosher, it could have been
• 1:46:59
  written differently. Easily.
• 1:47:01
  As Leon said could have like made him not be affected eye,
• 1:47:05
  but choose. This still go with it.
• 1:47:08
  I mean, and it also it showed how Bad her character was going
• 1:47:14
  to go, like it was just like that was the start of her
• 1:47:17
  descending into the evil side and I didn't like the fact that
• 1:47:23
  was the first scene of her like that was that was her
• 1:47:27
  essentially getting revenge in the first part and I didn't like
• 1:47:31
  that was the first scene of her showing that she was going to go
• 1:47:34
  into this path of getting revenge.
• 1:47:36
  I thought they could have done that at a different place.
• 1:47:39
  Done it differently as well. So I completely Agree with both
• 1:47:44
  of you. Yeah, Susu gave him a phoenix
• 1:47:49
  feather and we never kind of circle back on that.
• 1:47:51
  I think the phoenix feather like woke him up at one point and
• 1:47:53
  that was it. And then I thought, oh, this
• 1:47:56
  will have something to do with him coming back because Phoenix
• 1:47:58
  is obviously have the tendency to Stage a comeback and that was
• 1:48:02
  never explored or hinted at at all, because he's, his essence
• 1:48:07
  or whatever was inside the heart guarding skills.
• 1:48:09
  So, I don't know if you had that.
• 1:48:12
  Pick either the time Tae, Jin surviving for 500 years.
• 1:48:17
  In the Netherworld thing, I was like how because I thought he
• 1:48:20
  was human, and it was just like, oh, we're just going to gloss
• 1:48:24
  over the fact that he lived for 500 years and he didn't age.
• 1:48:27
  Nothing happened to him. He's technically human, but he
• 1:48:31
  has the essence of a Gorge. Just like something.
• 1:48:34
  She would you switch the immortal?
• 1:48:37
  Essence, The Immortal Essence can?
• 1:48:38
  Yes. I know it only does he have like
• 1:48:40
  the immortal Essence but he As some of the devil God's Essence
• 1:48:44
  in him, that's what being like the devil fetus is about.
• 1:48:48
  So that's how I saw it that he would be able to survive because
• 1:48:51
  he already has that. He's he's body is human but his
• 1:48:55
  Essence will keep him alive. Just like basically what
• 1:48:58
  happened to the general like his body is human but his Essence is
• 1:49:06
  now Immortal because they essentially they also kind of
• 1:49:09
  touched on. I think there was a conversation
• 1:49:11
  he had with by Lucy Doctor once they got to the third era where,
• 1:49:15
  I mean, it was very discreet. It wasn't like I survived
• 1:49:19
  because I had your essence, but like I picked up on that due to
• 1:49:21
  that conversation. So yeah, there was a subtle
• 1:49:25
  complication. My last nitpick is pretty funny,
• 1:49:28
  though, because Exactly. So the god of monsters and to
• 1:49:33
  Hong the god of space were a couple and they had sousou via
• 1:49:38
  Spirit egg. Then my question is do all the
• 1:49:42
  gods give birth via egg like a freakin bird or reptile or is it
• 1:49:47
  a spirit egg? Because to Hung was a phoenix
• 1:49:49
  and her Essence is like a bird, in that case, can we presume
• 1:49:54
  that sousou? Also laid an egg to have their
• 1:49:57
  child like it's like weird. Weird kalin's laughing.
• 1:50:03
  I think I think it depends on what Clan you come from.
• 1:50:09
  So for like, for them, it kind of makes sense for them to kind
• 1:50:12
  of like, lay the egg or whatever.
• 1:50:14
  Because they're not human, like they are shaped.
• 1:50:18
  So they cultivate enough to take on the form of a human body.
• 1:50:24
  But their true form is, whatever their client is.
• 1:50:27
  So like for the goddess of space to Her true form is like, you
• 1:50:34
  know, Phoenix. So Phoenix's, you know, big.
• 1:50:38
  So you're saying, Susu had laid an egg?
• 1:50:40
  Yeah, I would assume. So, like, I that, that would be
• 1:50:44
  my rationale behind it. Again, like beef.
• 1:50:47
  I'm just taking context from every, you know, every show and
• 1:50:51
  show that I watched that they kind of go and take after their,
• 1:50:56
  you know, spirit because that's what their spirit is.
• 1:50:59
  And, you know, we We see them as humans or, you know, in human
• 1:51:03
  form, but they have to cultivate to get too human for, right?
• 1:51:06
  So, it was a dragon. So, yeah, that's how I see it.
• 1:51:09
  She reverted back to a dragon and not in terms of Shan Shan
• 1:51:14
  also other Lauren General, like English literature.
• 1:51:16
  The fiery is dragons laid eggs as well.
• 1:51:20
  So but the devil God was, yeah, but menu menu was min-ye was so
• 1:51:28
  okay because he remember, he reverted into that.
• 1:51:31
  Small oyster as a dragon, the little drag like the little
• 1:51:37
  dragon Yahweh in the dream sequence.
• 1:51:43
  Okay. I got ya know.
• 1:51:44
  I understand. I was like, where are we going
• 1:51:46
  with the dragon things? Okay, I got it.
• 1:51:49
  So you're saying okay fine. So she laid an egg for sure, for
• 1:51:52
  sure, for sure. Did you guys have anything else?
• 1:51:56
  You'd like to add? We've been here for a while, but
• 1:51:58
  is there anything else you'd like to add about till the end
• 1:52:01
  of the Moon before we call it? It was an epic.
• 1:52:08
  Story, I think. And I think in terms of I'm just
• 1:52:14
  so I haven't read the book fully but I feel like the
• 1:52:19
  screenwriters. Did a really, really good job
• 1:52:21
  with the adaptation because the source material for this is
• 1:52:25
  really really dark like it's a lot more abusive.
• 1:52:28
  It's a lot more cruel. The whole story of it.
• 1:52:32
  So and in the book actually Susu never really loves him so she is
• 1:52:37
  completely We 100% all about his, you know, the mission until
• 1:52:42
  pretty much the end of the book so they changed up a lot of
• 1:52:46
  things. And I feel like they did a
• 1:52:47
  really, really, really good job at adapting it into a much more
• 1:52:53
  palatable story for people to enjoy.
• 1:52:57
  I feel like, you know, I am not a fan of angst but I loved every
• 1:53:03
  single angst moment because it was done so well and I feel
• 1:53:07
  Like, you know, that tells you everything you need to know, you
• 1:53:11
  know, if the story can get you to enjoy something that you
• 1:53:14
  don't generally enjoy, then it's done a really good job.
• 1:53:17
  So yeah, I just loved it acting writing, you know, even if it's
• 1:53:24
  e.t., I love the fact that even if this drama had to be cut
• 1:53:27
  down, it still works and that tells you all it needs to, you
• 1:53:31
  know, it tells you all you need to do about the drama.
• 1:53:33
  I think Kaitlyn. Well Anything else?
• 1:53:38
  Well, one I have to get a shout-out to the osts.
• 1:53:41
  I absolutely loved the, oh my God, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
• 1:53:49
  Yeah, it was a woman singing. And that would probably, that
• 1:54:02
  would probably be. She's named sad, ding, ding, and
• 1:54:06
  you'll know her because She does pretty much all the OSD.
• 1:54:09
  She has this very like, powerful voice and yeah, that'll probably
• 1:54:14
  be studying date. She does a lot of overseas,
• 1:54:16
  especially for she Entre and she not only does she composed but
• 1:54:20
  she writes she did work for love between Ferry and devil as well.
• 1:54:26
  And how work like her writing is 10/10?
• 1:54:30
  I like if if her if she's credited on an OST you know it's
• 1:54:34
  going to be and the scorer's. Well The musical score?
• 1:54:38
  Yeah, amazing. I thought it was really.
• 1:54:41
  Yeah. So I just have to give a quick
• 1:54:42
  shout-out to the music because I absolutely love the osts of
• 1:54:45
  this. I thought it speaks well for the
• 1:54:48
  20s T's when it adds emotional support to the scenes that
• 1:54:53
  they're playing against as well as the score.
• 1:54:58
  But yeah, overall this was like a I have not watched a jean Shaw
• 1:55:01
  in a in a little bit so it was I love the Act, even though I had
• 1:55:08
  to binge this in two weeks, I like the fact that you maybe do
• 1:55:12
  it just because I missed the Sean showed you is John Ross.
• 1:55:17
  And now I want to watch another shot drama right away.
• 1:55:20
  So I think this is what I recommend this to somebody is
• 1:55:25
  their first janja drama. Probably not, not at all.
• 1:55:30
  Oh no because it's just there's so much nice but actually in
• 1:55:35
  fact in fact, But I mean, I think if you are a fan of the
• 1:55:41
  genre and you haven't seen this, you should see it at some point.
• 1:55:47
  And, yeah, I mean, I don't want a particular who like I will
• 1:55:54
  watch anything right. I will watch any type of thing.
• 1:55:57
  I will drop stuff if I don't like it.
• 1:55:58
  So I've definitely have dropped dramas.
• 1:56:00
  That other people absolutely love.
• 1:56:02
  I don't really take reviews or opinions to make me decide if
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  I'm going to watch something or not.
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  So, I've had a couple people message me after they know I
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  finished. It's like, what did you think of
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  the ending? Do you think I'd it's worth the
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  watch. I think you should still watch
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  this because I think your reaction to the ending.
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  Depends on. You depends on what do you cause
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  it is? As Liliana said, it's an open
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  ending. It's not a bad ending.
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  It's not like everybody dies in this decimated and like it's a
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  terrifically, sad ending. But I think it's right.
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  He's just dead. He's not dead.
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  He's just a weight. Yang xiong shh.
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  Is anybody really ever dead? And Shout?
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  Sure that that's all you got to think about shout shirt.
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  Unless you have not one single little Do you know scale of you
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  left? There's a way to bring you back.
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  That's how I structure works. Listening to this and you are
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  debating starting it because you heard that it was a sad or
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  horrific lie. Sad ending, I really think you
• 1:57:09
  should still watch this because I think you're really missing
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  out on some really good acting really good.
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  Music really good story, I mean, the way that we were invested in
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  this story just speak X2 how good it was.
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  Yeah. So I would highly recommend this
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  drama and just interpret the depending how you want to
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  interpret it as? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  It's open-ended and I think it was more a point.
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  Yeah. Are positive ending.
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  So before we get out of here let us know where we can find you
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  guys online Liliana. I know you have some handles.
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  You'd like to share and of course Caitlin my girl.
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  You have handles as well. Yeah.
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  So I'm over on Instagram and it's tea and Soju pod.
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  And it's all one word and also on Twitter T and discorso Drew
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  and the scoreboard. And if you like Chinese dramas,
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  that's mainly what I talked about over on the tee and Soju,
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  Asian drama podcast and you can find that on pretty much, you
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  know, all your streaming platforms.
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  So yeah. And I have a Blog.
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  I do not have a podcast but it's no sleep for as in the number
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  four. Rama's.com.
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  So I do reviews and all this other stuff, and I also have an
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  Instagram and Twitter under that same name, no, sleep.
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  For dramas, the number 4, All of their handles will be linked so
• 1:58:38
  you can follow them, please do. They're wonderful resources.
• 1:58:41
  If you have if you want recommendations for kdramas or
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  see dramas, please reach out to them.
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  I mean, all of us will be gladly talk to you about kdramas, Andy
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  dramas, but it for this episode, see dramas, especially and she's
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  anxious. They've watched definitely more
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  than me. So definitely reach out and get
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  your Rex and be friendly with them.
• 1:59:02
  Their wonderful resources. Wonderful, friends in the
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  community. In the end.
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  I'm so glad to have share this experience with you guys.
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  What, that that's been our show. I'm Jessica.
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  And this has been that they balk a Rambles podcast.