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Movie Review! - Unlocked (스마트폰을 떨어렸을 뿐인데) · I Was Thinking…

• 1:03
  What is up everybody? You already know what it is.
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  I am your lovely host Simone. And I'm the peace and welcome
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  back to. I was thinking I saw more cheery
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  than I usually do when we do this.
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  It's been a while guys. Yeah, hopefully this doesn't
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  come into a once a month. Think we also have real lives
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  and we don't get paid to do this, but we miss you.
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  So we're back. We hope you've missed us as
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  well. How's it been to be since you've
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  been? I mean, it's only been on has it
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  been. I think it's been longer than a
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  month because when we initially recorded it was May 12th.
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  Was it? May, I think it's been about a
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  month. Yeah, a little bit more than a
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  month. Yeah, I've been good school,
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  finished good. Graduations have happened.
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  Lot of drama related to that graduation, but hey, we're done.
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  Oh my God. You know, I was curious because
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  there's been a lot of, like videos that's been popping up
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  online of, like, graduations just have, like students have
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  been having their diplomas withheld if they're like
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  celebrating after graduations. And I was like, what is going
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  on? I feel like I saw a video of a
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  fight, and I don't know what that happened, but I saw that.
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  I do not remember graduation being this like, drama field.
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  Yeah. I don't know.
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  It was so weird because my sister also graduated this year
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  and for her graduation, mind you, they are like the
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  graduating classes around like 750 to 800 kids.
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  They were not allowed to have their cell phones like at all.
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  So just trying to get in touch with her and like, finding her
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  afterwards was like so chaotic. And like, I felt like I was an
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  amusement park trying to find my lost child.
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  Yeah. But that was that which was I
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  understand. Why they did that?
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  Because it's a long procession and you don't want it'll.
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  It seems unprofessional to be on your phone but that was
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  annoying. But the graduation for my like
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  class that I taught was it went relatively smoothly.
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  But that's probably because like the principal was like really on
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  their cases like if you do anything I'm going to stop the
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  graduation, call you up by name and make you go back and do it
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  again and like. So he really scared them as far
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  as like. What to do and what not to do.
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  But it turned out really, really good.
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  That's good for you guys. Like, I always remember
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  graduation being, like strict, but not, that's, yeah,
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  unnecessarily strict where it almost takes the joy out of it.
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  It's weird. I don't know.
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  And you know, I didn't go to a college graduation because
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  COVID. So I skipped out my communicate,
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  not my communication, my Community College one, because I
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  was waiting for university and then COVID happened.
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  So I didn't get to experience either.
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  But still. Yeah, it's so different from
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  last year's graduation because last year, like, I would stand
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  at the end of the seats and I'd like hug everyone as they come
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  in to go back to their seats. Nothing like that.
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  They had to, like, grab their things and go straight back to
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  their seat. I'm like, no, that takes away
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  from, like, the intimacy of it, you know?
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  Yeah, I mean, there was so many students when I graduated.
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  I don't remember the exact number, but we didn't hug
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  anybody unless, like they'd known them personally throughout
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  the school year. We just shook hands, but.
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  Yeah. Oh my gosh.
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  There were so many hands these kids had to shake.
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  It was like there's a literal line down that entire stage.
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  There was probably like a two person gap in the middle.
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  But like, after that, it was just everyone and their mother
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  was on that stage. It was so funny.
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  That's crazy. Well, I'm glad you didn't have
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  any crazy like graduation stores like I have been seeing online.
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  Yeah, no, nothing. Nothing like that.
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  Whatever drama I was mentioning was like.
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  Before and after, between like people.
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  But like the graduation ceremony itself, thank God, was like,
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  smooth, good, good. Yeah, I forgot to say this
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  before we actually started recording.
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  I apologize. It's like my audio sounds worse
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  than it usually does. It's actually pretty good.
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  But I'm going back, old school style, and recording on my iPad
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  because I had said this in like a little interlude in our last
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  episode. When I moved, I thought I lost
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  my adapter to hook up my microphone to my MacBook.
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  And then me and the Feast were laughing before we started
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  recording because I literally just found it in the bag that I
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  zinc. So I'm like, well, I'm glad I
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  didn't pay for a new one, but I spent about, I don't know how
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  long looking for it, thinking I had lost it or accidentally, you
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  know, put it in a bag that I gave away and we were cleaning.
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  But it's fine. You paid for it with your
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  energy. That I did.
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  That I did. But anyway, as you can see, we
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  have something to actually talk about today.
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  It's not just a ramble episode, even though you know us, we
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  don't think it's a lot, but we are back with a movie.
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  Reviews get back into the groove of things, the swing of things.
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  So should I ask you how you felt about this movie?
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  Now or later? We are doing a movie that is on
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  Netflix called Unlocked. I think I expressed this last
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  time when we recorded with Macy. I don't have access to her
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  Netflix account anymore. But Capitalism, Not me.
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  Yeah, I'm going to admit it. I was weak, guys, and I got my
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  own Netflix account. Capitalism beat me, OK?
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  It beat me this route. It's just this round, hopefully
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  just this round, you know I still have to survive.
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  Yeah, but I mean, you have all that other stuff too.
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  You have Hulu, Disney, you have Disney Plus, right?
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  I have the bundle of Hulu and Disney Plus.
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  So it's like a deal where it's only like $11.00, but that I pay
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  with ads. This one I didn't want to pay
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  for ads on Netflix. Gotcha.
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  So those are the only things I have.
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  I think Hulu, Disney Plus and Netflix, you don't.
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  Have and I guess Apple TV if I have access to it or not.
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  You have to pay for that. Or do you get it when you have
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  Apple products? I think you have to pay
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  separately. I'm not sure you should check
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  into that. Yeah, because I have Apple Music
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  that I have to pay that I still use my student discount on.
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  Actually I might have it because I think if you have like use the
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  student discount, you get Apple TV with the student discount.
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  Yeah, definitely check into that.
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  Imagine you've been paying for it this whole time and you just
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  never knew. I have.
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  But it's like what people have been saying, you know, we have
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  all these subscriptions now and it's just an overwhelming of
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  like content and at the same time, tell me about being taken
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  from us. Every day I sit down with like,
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  my dinner to watch something, right?
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  So I go on like Hulu and I'm just like scrolling and
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  scrolling and scrolling. Nothing makes sense.
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  And then I go to my Amazon Prime.
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  And I'm scrolling and scrolling and scrolling still nothing
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  makes sense. And then and then I go back to
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  YouTube shorts. It's like, why?
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  Yeah, it's just not only short attention spans, but like
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  streaming really has kill TV culture.
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  That's what's coming up a lot, especially with the writers
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  strike and then try to be paid fairly, and which is still.
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  Going on. And I want it to go on as long
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  as it can. Like I said in the last episode,
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  paying these people their fucking money, Stop playing with
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  them. And then now they're doing a new
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  thing where, and it was happening even before the
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  strike, where they don't give shows enough time to like, you
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  know, grow to improve themselves and if they can.
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  Do it. They completely erase it off the
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  platform, so there's no way you can find.
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  It but about like pirated versions.
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  I don't know how that's working, but even then I'm sure I don't
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  know how, Like corporations, if they're making the effort to go
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  out and look for pilot and stuff and delete them or not.
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  So I don't know. It is unfortunate.
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  It is because that's also, you know, messing with people's
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  payment because they're not getting residuals anymore from
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  people, you know, watching this. And then they get a percentage
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  of like, you know, this is how much people watched it and then
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  like divide it up with money and all that math that I don't know
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  how it works. But still, yeah, it's very sad
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  and I hope this strike class for a while, even if I have to give
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  up a lot of shows, you know, that's fine with me.
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  I want these people to be paid. Yeah, which is funny too,
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  because like they're so quick to cancel shows if it doesn't do
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  well. But for it to do well, you have
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  to have a well written show to begin with, right?
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  The characters need to be nuanced and like, in depth.
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  The story arc needs to be good enough that like it catches your
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  attention from the get go and keep your attention throughout
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  the season. Like there's so many factors
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  that play into it and you're under paying the very people
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  that are running. Quite literally, no pun
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  intended. The whole show like, it's crazy
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  under paying them, not giving them chances to have that
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  breakout script. And if they do get hired,
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  they're working long hours to where they're so tired that
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  creativity is not there and they're on tight budget.
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  So, like, they'll have to make a lot of cuts, not to mention cuts
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  of like, costs. So, like, produce it.
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  It's just a whole thing and another thing.
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  And then we'll get on to the movie, which is interesting
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  because I don't know if I had shared this with you or not.
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  You know how there is a rise of, like, kid dramas and Korean
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  movies coming onto Netflix? Yeah.
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  Did I tell you that Netflix, even before the writers strike,
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  invested a bunch of money into production of, you know, Korean
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  content? And that's why we're seeing so
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  much of it being put on Netflix now and Netflix originals of
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  Korean content? Did I tell you that?
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  I think you mentioned it briefly.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  I was just wondering because I I wonder if they had predicted the
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  right strike in America and that's why they did it.
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  And I wonder how that works with the writers strike.
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  Because I followed this one girl on TikTok who always, like talks
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  about the writers strike because I think she's a writer herself.
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  I don't remember her name at the moment.
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  Maybe I'll link it in like the little comments section if you
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  want to follow her for like details.
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  But she was talking about one time how there were some
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  international, you know, TV writers supporting the strike
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  and like other countries like the UKI think some places in
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  Europe, things like that. So I wonder if like maybe
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  because I watched Korean content, if like Korean contact,
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  especially being with Netflix and hearing all the, you know,
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  back and forth about Netflix internally, how it was just not
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  a great company, even though all these companies to be honest are
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  not great. Again, capitalism.
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  But I was just wondering if they're just going to milk them
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  during this whole writers strike for content or feel like maybe
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  down the line support the writers strike, who knows?
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  That's just was something in my mind as I remembered it.
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  I mean, aren't they technically? Aren't we all technically
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  milking the whole Korean content At this point?
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  Yes. Because, like, as much as I love
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  Korean dramas, a lot of it is like not as original as it used
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  to be. Do you know what I'm saying?
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  I. Mean.
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  It's like at the end of the day, I feel like this with everything
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  and entertainment, whether it's movies, music, things nowadays
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  are going to derive from something because it's very hard
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  to come up with an original idea and most original ideas get
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  passed on. So because people are going to
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  watch something they're more comfortable with than something
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  new, that's why we're having a bunch of remakes.
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  And I felt like this since maybe like maybe the 90s and even the
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  90s was, you know, repeating stuff from the 70s.
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  So I feel like since past the 70s, we really haven't had
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  anything new. If people understand what I mean
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  by new, I just think it's at a point now where it's like, if
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  you don't have an original idea, how are you telling, you know,
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  this borrowed idea in a new way? Yeah, that I think is also
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  important. But it's hard.
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  It's Hard Out Here, OK? That's why we had a lot of book
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  adaptations into like movies and series, and we're getting
• 12:49
  another one. I know they're going to make
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  another, like Hurricane Hunger Games, sport, Hunger Games movie
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  because she made another book. But that's also different
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  because the author was actually, you know, involved with the
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  movie. So sometimes that helps and
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  sometimes you can tell like, when they're not actually
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  involved or not. So we have things like that and
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  we have like disaster, trash fires, like the idol that I'm
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  not going to get into and that I'm not watching.
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  So and I'm not even gonna bring it up.
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  Even as a Kpop person, I'm not gonna bring it up.
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  I'm not doing it. You did that.
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  Well, I brought it up and I'm not getting into my own
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  discussions with it. I am just avoiding it
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  completely. And I am glad they're not
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  getting renewed. Yeah, ever since the commercials
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  for that show came out, I just knew.
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  It was not gonna go, which is really sad because I don't know
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  if he knew the original plot was to talk about women's struggles,
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  actually Hollywood, and then men had to take over.
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  Yes, they had. They had fired the original
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  writers of that show and then a certain very, very popular
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  person. OK, I didn't want to say it, but
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  no, I don't care. Fuck, he's creepy.
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  Hey man. Revet like 3180, the whole
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  thing. And like, it's now what we see.
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  I didn't realize he was that like, Oh my God, not just him,
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  but the creator guy himself, Sam Levenson, who also recreated
• 14:12
  euphoria. And if you've seen euphoria, I
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  mean. Oh, no, I didn't have to see
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  euphoria. My kids talked about.
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  My students talked about it enough for me to know.
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  Like, no. Watched it and then they
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  completely derailed from the second season because I feel
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  like even the first season was going somewhere to talk about
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  some real shit. But after the second season and
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  then just hearing about the behind scenes drama that was
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  happening, the calf and him himself, it's just like, just
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  cancel it. OK, just cancel it.
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  Loves and Daya so. Euphoria is canceled.
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  No, they're pushed. I said I think it needs to be
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  canceled. They have been pushed back, you
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  know, because of the writers strike.
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  So I think the season three was supposed to come out next year,
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  but I don't know if they even started filming it or not so.
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  Gotcha. We'll see.
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  I don't know. And then, yeah, a lot of people
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  were talking about Jenny in the show.
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  And then some of them were like, what?
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  She's an adult, she can do what she wants.
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  But then the other side was just like, but she has children
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  following her. So it's like, again, that is the
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  thing for me where I can talk about this for the whole episode
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  and we don't have time because that also goes into my thing
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  with like Kpop in general and like the culture differences
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  between international fans and Korean fans.
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  Or like I don't have time to get into it.
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  I would like to because I have a lot of things to say about both
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  sides, what I understand, but I am on the point of she is a
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  grown woman. I don't like how she and other K
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  pop idols, you know, are in infantilized.
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  But at the same time it is a weird market where they say it's
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  you know, geared towards kids and teens.
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  But if you actually look at these idols and what they sing
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  about, sometimes even the minors themselves and what they dress
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  in, because I remember so one on TikTok that I follow said that.
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  And I was like, I guess the difference in America is like we
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  have content for kids. Like I know Korea has like shows
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  and stuff gears specifically for kids, but we even had musicians
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  for kids. That's why I like that era of
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  Disney Channel where like Hannah Montana was popular.
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  You had the Jonas Brothers on there, other stuff that's
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  different because of behind, behind the scenes.
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  But I'm just saying, like, even when I was younger, we had the
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  Wiggles, we had Doodle Bob, we had stuff geared for us.
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  That's actually a really good point you brought up.
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  Yeah, cuz now that I think about it, I don't think like in well,
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  I can't speak on the country obviously, but like from my from
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  my experience with like their like entertainment and
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  everything. They don't have like teenager,
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  like teenage singers or like teenage artists, so I can see
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  why idols, but they make them. Right.
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  But it's not like, it's not like, I mean, yeah, you have
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  like the idols, but then it's not like their own thing.
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  You know what? Like, you know how we have
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  Disney? Like, yeah, it's not like that
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  exactly. And I think that's why a lot of
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  people like new jeans so much because again, a lot of stuff
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  that's going on in the background that I can't even
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  talk about. But it seems like their content
• 17:08
  is more like their age friend and that's what I am praised
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  about TXT. When they had first debut, it's
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  like when they first debut, it was like, you know, the teenage
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  boy type music. It fit the appropriateness of
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  their age. Now that they're getting older,
• 17:25
  they're making music. Except for their cat dog song.
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  Still don't like that one, but hey, I'm not going to talk
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  because I love Cat. Let's.
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  Die forever. I just want to be your dog.
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  I would you want to be. Somebody's pet, but OK.
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  Anyway, stop thinking too much into it.
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  But that is a valid point you have.
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  I understand. I am biased, I will admit,
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  because that's my song. It's catchy.
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  I'm not going to lie, but like Hello lyrics anyway, that's what
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  I mean. They're they have been given the
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  opportunity to grow with their music.
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  It's not too grown, you know. I mean they're grown now.
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  So and then that was another thing with like Card and stuff
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  when they were talking about Bm's like verses like, but you
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  you guys know how old Card is. And BM has been talking about
• 18:08
  stuff like this, like many people point out.
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  Listen to his verse with Jesse on putting on you.
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  I love that verse by the way. But yeah.
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  Anyway, again tangent guys, we're done because like I said,
• 18:20
  20 minutes just on that. But hey, it should be the its
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  own separate episode. Right, we're gonna wad Lord Hey
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  y'all. I just wanted to come in real
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  quick because I had mentioned new jeans, and in mentioning
• 18:39
  them I had completely forgot about the song Cookie.
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  And there's reason I try to etch that out of my brain for if you
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  know, you know. But it also goes into what I was
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  talking about. As in whether promoting to young
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  people or having young idols themselves say they're promoting
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  for kids and teenagers, but then in the same act, like
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  underlyingly, like secretly promoting stuff that's a little
• 19:08
  bit too grown in my opinion. Well, no, Things are a little
• 19:13
  bit too grown for children and teenagers.
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  But yes, I just wanted to come in and point that out real quick
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  because we're recording. I had completely forgot about
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  that song, and I think they also tried to pretend it didn't
• 19:24
  happen, but we know it happened. Just make sure it doesn't happen
• 19:28
  again. Tell us about the movie Simone.
• 19:32
  So getting back on track. We are doing Unlocked, which is
• 19:36
  a Netflix Original. The English title is unlocked.
• 19:41
  I wrote down the Korean title. I'm practicing guys.
• 19:44
  Again, excuse my pronunciation, I am trying.
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  But the Korean title for this movie is Smart to Pono Duro Soul
• 19:54
  Boonan Day, Boonan Day. Yes, that's the Korean title.
• 20:01
  Now I am confused about the actual release date because when
• 20:04
  I go online it says it was released in February like either
• 20:08
  16 or 17 of this year. But I think Netflix says 2022.
• 20:14
  So was it released this year or was it released last year, in
• 20:18
  2022? Here's the thing.
• 20:19
  I remember seeing that movie for a very long time, and I didn't
• 20:24
  have Netflix in February, so I'm pretty sure it was like earlier.
• 20:28
  So it was February 2022, not 2023.
• 20:31
  Probably. I'm not sure.
• 20:32
  I don't know why every site I went on said it was released
• 20:36
  this year. All of the sites I've seen says
• 20:38
  23 too. So I I'm not, I'm not sure.
• 20:41
  But on Netflix, cuz you know on Netflix it shows like years and
• 20:44
  say when it was released, but it shows the year it says 2022.
• 20:47
  I don't, I don't know, it was released recently guys.
• 20:50
  OK one of these years. Recent enough?
• 20:53
  Yes, recent enough. So I am going to give the
• 20:57
  background, you know, information of this movie and
• 21:00
  then me and the fees divided it up.
• 21:24
  So you don't care. So she's going to discuss the
• 21:04
  first half of it and I'm going to do the second-half again.
• 21:07
  When we do movie reviews, we spoil everything.
• 21:10
  So after I give you know, the synopsis, synopsis, synopsis,
• 21:15
  OK, synopsis and the cast, if y'all want to jump out, watch
• 21:19
  the movie, they come back. You can do that if you just want
• 21:23
  to listen to. Feel for free.
• 21:27
  So the synopsis is the main character, whose name is Inami.
• 21:34
  She's a marketer at a startup company, and she also, I
• 21:37
  believe, works part time at a father's cafe, Correct?
• 21:40
  She helps him out. I don't know if she technically
• 21:42
  just works there or she just helps out, but she ends up
• 21:45
  losing her phone, going home from a night out with friends,
• 21:48
  and then suddenly it gets returned to her by.
• 21:50
  I put in my notes with quotation marks, an unknown Good
• 21:53
  Samaritan, however unknown to eat on, eat on me.
• 21:57
  The person whose name is Lujun Yong, who found her phone that
• 22:01
  the audience knows about, had actually installed spyware to
• 22:04
  watch her every move and track her everyday life.
• 22:07
  And then at the same time, all that is happening.
• 22:09
  A police detective named Uji Man is investigating a murder crime
• 22:15
  where he found traces of his son, who is who?
• 22:17
  John Young who found Idami's cell phone at the scene.
• 22:22
  So like, he's basically looking for clues to see if his son is
• 22:26
  the killer or not. Because in this specific area,
• 22:29
  like in the mountain area, they've just been finding body
• 22:31
  after body after body. So yeah, it's some serious
• 22:35
  stuff's going on. So yeah, it's basically like a
• 22:38
  thriller. What do you consider this movie
• 22:40
  a thriller? I would consider it a thriller.
• 22:42
  Yeah, OK. Because it's not really, like,
• 22:44
  scary. It's not.
• 22:45
  Yeah. Yes, it's not at all.
• 22:47
  But yeah, it's, you know, it has murder in it.
• 22:49
  So I guess a lot of things murderers consider a thriller.
• 22:52
  I would. Consider it a softer version of
• 22:54
  a thriller. Honestly, OK, I don't.
• 22:56
  I don't know if there's a word for that because.
• 22:58
  It's not like, it's not like at the edge of your seat type like,
• 23:01
  Oh my God, what's gonna happen next?
• 23:03
  But like, it keeps your, it keeps your attention.
• 23:05
  Yeah, I would say the same okay. So the director of this movie,
• 23:09
  his name is Kim Tae Jun and then he also wrote this movie.
• 23:13
  So he's credited as being the writer Kim Tae Jun and another
• 23:17
  person called Akira Shiga. Now just to get not sidetracked
• 23:23
  it, but to get some information on Akidishika.
• 23:27
  So they are a Japanese author. Which is funny that we talked
• 23:31
  about this earlier in The Fees who was credited in this movie
• 23:34
  because it seems like from the information that I got, it's
• 23:37
  loosely based off a novel they wrote called Stolen Identity
• 23:40
  that was published in 2017 in Japan.
• 23:44
  And then surprisingly enough, there are actually 2 Japanese
• 23:47
  movies based off this novel as well, which is also called
• 23:51
  Stolen Identity that came out in 2018 and then a sequel to that
• 23:55
  Stolen Identity two that came out in 2020 and then in the
• 24:00
  Japanese movies. I just gave you like a quick
• 24:04
  description of that that I found from Asian Wiki.
• 24:07
  I like using Asian Wiki from my notes, but the main character is
• 24:10
  Asami Enaba and she basically starts having you know the
• 24:15
  typical when you get hacked or like your identity gets stolen.
• 24:18
  Like there are mysterious charges to her credit card but
• 24:22
  due to her boyfriend losing his cell phone which I think is
• 24:25
  interesting and then she somehow gets involved in the case.
• 24:29
  So I'm not sure if the case is like a murder case or not, but
• 24:32
  that's the description of stolen identity.
• 24:36
  That actually sounds interesting.
• 24:37
  Yeah, Akita, she got is credited in those three movies.
• 24:41
  So Stolen Identity, Stolen Infinity 2, and in this movie
• 24:44
  we're talking about Unlock and then the cast members we have
• 24:48
  our main character, her name is Evami and the actress that plays
• 24:53
  her is Trone. Oh Trone Ohi.
• 24:56
  And then our main guy is Ojun Young who I just wrote Stalker
• 25:02
  because I guess that's what he basically is, is soccer and he
• 25:05
  is played by M she Juan and I don't know people he.
• 25:11
  Does the psychopath Crazy guy So, so, well, so obviously you
• 25:16
  could tell. I I mean, I watch can't
• 25:18
  troubles, but like, I guess I don't watch enough to recognize
• 25:21
  the actors enough. Yeah.
• 25:23
  By the way, he's gonna be in squid games too.
• 25:27
  I was going to bring that up but it seems like you know that
• 25:29
  already. Yes, as the fee said, he is
• 25:32
  going to be in the new season of squid games, which I still don't
• 25:36
  understand if I am excited for or not.
• 25:39
  Just cuz I feel like a second season of squid games, like
• 25:42
  completely goes against what the first season was technically
• 25:46
  about what? They did well with the new cast.
• 25:50
  I just hope the storyline is like, up there too.
• 25:53
  I mean, we will see when it comes out.
• 25:56
  I also wonder if Netflix is going to release that, like
• 25:58
  reality show that they did off the squid games where they got,
• 26:01
  you know, 456 contestants sick and pee for $456,000,000.
• 26:07
  Fingers crossed. Yeah, we'll see about that.
• 26:10
  Too. I would actually like to watch
• 26:11
  that if they ever decide to release it, I think they're
• 26:14
  going to. But again, we will see it goes
• 26:16
  into. I feel like it goes against what
• 26:18
  the show was supposed to be about.
• 26:19
  But then again, that's how capitalism works.
• 26:21
  So. I mean, that's why we have a
• 26:24
  season two. Yeah, exactly.
• 26:30
  Hey guys, just wanted to come in real quick because I did mention
• 26:35
  Squid Game and I didn't know why.
• 26:38
  They were making another season, ironically enough, and I think
• 26:43
  it was after we initially recorded this too.
• 26:46
  The Los Angeles Times put on an article about Squid game two
• 26:50
  because, you know, it's a big thing right now, an anticipation
• 26:52
  of the second season, learning about the cast.
• 26:55
  One of the actors, as we mentioned that's in this movie
• 26:59
  is going to be in the new season, and so on and so forth.
• 27:03
  I think the full cast by now has been revealed.
• 27:07
  I don't actually know when the second season is going to drop.
• 27:10
  I don't know if they said that or not, but regardless.
• 27:12
  So I basically found out, if you didn't already know, that the
• 27:16
  reason they're making another season is because the original
• 27:22
  creator of Squid Games basically gave up all of his rights for
• 27:28
  the show. So we initially let me not say
• 27:33
  it this way. So Netflix did pay him of
• 27:35
  course, to be able to produce the show and have it on Netflix.
• 27:40
  And I don't know if anyone knew this or not, but he's been
• 27:42
  fighting late for a while. I think it's a 10 years for
• 27:46
  someone just to put this out, but no one in like South Korea,
• 27:50
  The South Korean companies really believe in this project
• 27:53
  or that it would do good. So it took him a while.
• 27:56
  Again, I think I read 10 years like a while ago when the first
• 28:00
  season came out, but he gave up his initial rights as far as
• 28:07
  residuals and copyright infringement for squid game.
• 28:13
  So after it was released and Netflix paid him up front,
• 28:16
  whatever the show like garnished from streaming, he did not get
• 28:21
  paid at all. Hence why he's making another
• 28:24
  season to kind of get paid. Now if you know anything about
• 28:28
  TV, even if he didn't study it like I did and my mind like
• 28:33
  honestly, I forgot a lot that I learned in school.
• 28:35
  Maybe because I'm not in the practice either, but usually
• 28:39
  residuals is where most actors, writers, directors get paid.
• 28:44
  If you don't know what that means, it basically means you
• 28:46
  know how when cable was really big and you would see a lot of
• 28:50
  reruns. Every time they would rerun that
• 28:53
  show or movie, that is how they got paid.
• 28:56
  Again is being shown on cable. So basically every time someone
• 29:01
  watched Squid Game on Netflix, he did not get paid.
• 29:04
  He got paid some type of sum upfront for the licensing.
• 29:08
  But that was it. I didn't think I was going to be
• 29:10
  able to read the LA Times because I thought I was going to
• 29:13
  have to pay for a subscription, but surprisingly I was able to
• 29:16
  read it. So I just got done reading the
• 29:19
  article. If you're able to read it, I
• 29:20
  will link it at the bottom. Done by Max Kim.
• 29:23
  So a Korean writer themselves, it was actually very well done.
• 29:28
  That is just crazy because in the article itself it said that
• 29:31
  not only the squid game and I know I think that came out
• 29:34
  around the pandemic, right? Not only did it really revive
• 29:37
  Netflix, they made let let me go back to the article.
• 29:42
  So I make sure I get this number right because I don't want to
• 29:46
  give a wrong number, but it's a shit ton of money that they made
• 29:50
  off of this because you know, they made that reality show
• 29:53
  which I don't know if they're going to put out.
• 29:56
  You know, Funko pops a bunch of other merch.
• 29:59
  It was very huge. Did squid thing come out in 2020
• 30:03
  or 2021? I really don't remember.
• 30:05
  Again, my mind I'm losing it these days.
• 30:08
  Okay because he pitched it to them in 2019 and it looks like
• 30:12
  they spent 2.4 million each episode to make it, which
• 30:17
  according to this article is about 1/4 of what they spent on
• 30:20
  Stranger Things. Oh, here it is.
• 30:23
  Thanks to that. So here it is.
• 30:25
  So thanks to Squid Game, it raised Netflix's value for
• 30:30
  company by an estimate of $900 million.
• 30:36
  Let me repeat that number, $900 million.
• 30:41
  That's an insane amount of money, right?
• 30:44
  Again, a number of percent. A price I'll never see in my God
• 30:49
  damn life, Honestly. But yet, because the next
• 30:52
  paragraph I'll I'll quote it so it says in his contract he had
• 30:55
  forfeited all intellectual property rights and received no
• 30:59
  residuals. Royalty payments that writers,
• 31:01
  directors and actors normally receive when their work is
• 31:03
  reused after initial broadcast. He said in an interview that
• 31:06
  Squid game had earned him quote enough to put food on the table,
• 31:11
  Sir. You also deserve to be.
• 31:14
  No you deserve to earn money. I'm glad it was enough to put
• 31:18
  food on your table, but you should have been paid 10 times
• 31:23
  more, especially what we know now.
• 31:26
  Like if anyone that is listening to me is a creative themselves
• 31:32
  and plans to try to make whatever type of creative you
• 31:37
  are. Whether that's music, making
• 31:39
  movies, short films, social media, like artwork, as far as
• 31:45
  like museums, hand drawing, animation, whatever, please
• 31:49
  please please, I'm begging all, Even if you cannot afford it,
• 31:53
  hopefully go online and just find a way to take some type of
• 31:57
  business class. So that way if you ever get
• 32:01
  approached by a big company, I don't care what the company is,
• 32:04
  where it is in the world, you are able to at least understand
• 32:08
  the basics of a contract. Sometimes you do need a lawyer
• 32:11
  to get involved because companies try to slide in a lot
• 32:15
  of things that the average normal person does not
• 32:18
  understand. All they see usually are dollar
• 32:20
  amounts and that's why they agree to them.
• 32:22
  But please, any type of business class and a degree in business
• 32:28
  so you can try to understand what you're signing because
• 32:32
  that's where a lot of artists and creatives usually get
• 32:36
  screwed over at the end. You see it all the time and it
• 32:39
  is still happening. Example I can give of my
• 32:42
  favorite artists, Megan Stallion, what she had to go
• 32:45
  through her company. But again, this is not an old
• 32:47
  thing. There are many other famous
• 32:50
  people who are known for being screwed over through contracts,
• 32:53
  especially in music. Music I think is the worst out
• 32:55
  of all of them. They're all bad, but I think
• 32:58
  music is worse, even worse than TV and like movies because they
• 33:03
  really will find any way to just make money.
• 33:06
  That's what they're there for, that is what they're there for.
• 33:08
  But just make sure you are not getting screwed over as well.
• 33:12
  That's the thing too. Like you're dealing with a
• 33:15
  company. They don't care about the
• 33:17
  creative side like you do. All they care about is making a
• 33:20
  profit. They need you in order to make a
• 33:23
  profit. So just make sure they don't use
• 33:27
  you and throw you out. You know what I'm saying?
• 33:28
  I'm rambling a little bit, but just the article baffled me a
• 33:32
  lot because another thing and then I'll go, they started
• 33:35
  actually getting it to the way Korea produces like the dramas,
• 33:39
  which is what they're known for. It actually brought up what I
• 33:41
  was talking about, how Netflix has been getting a lot of Korean
• 33:46
  dramas and putting it on their site.
• 33:49
  Another paragraph from the article right here that I can
• 33:52
  read to you guys again, I will link this.
• 33:54
  Hopefully you're able to read it without needing a subscription,
• 33:57
  and I'll link another article that linked me to this one so I
• 34:00
  was able to read it, but this paragraph says the 1:30 or so
• 34:05
  South Korean productions. Sorry guys, I can't read.
• 34:08
  Apparently including 52 Netflix originals already rival the
• 34:12
  company's library of original Spanish language programs.
• 34:15
  Netflix, which estimates that 60% of its 230 million
• 34:19
  subscribers have watched Korean titles, announced it would be
• 34:22
  investing in additional 2.5 billion billion with the B in
• 34:27
  South Korean content over the next four years.
• 34:30
  And that's what I was telling the Feast about, because I had
• 34:32
  heard that news before the writers strike happened in
• 34:35
  America. And I don't know if that was
• 34:37
  because they were predicting A writers strike here in America
• 34:41
  or just because like I said, office squid games.
• 34:44
  And probably even before that with the popularity of Parasite
• 34:46
  and At Winning and Oscar, they saw the feature in South Korean
• 34:51
  content. But what I was saying before is
• 34:53
  that they started going a little bit into detail about South
• 34:56
  Korea and how they make their dramas and what they have to go
• 34:59
  through. And after reading that, if
• 35:02
  anyone from South Korea is listening, you guys need to go
• 35:06
  on strike as well. I'm just saying and listen.
• 35:10
  As a K Pop fan, I have an annoyance every time I read
• 35:15
  articles talking about the dark side of K Pop.
• 35:19
  But most of the time they bring that up to try to downplay why
• 35:24
  so many people like it. Trying to be like, Oh well, you
• 35:27
  guys like K Pop because it's tell you this and that fantasy.
• 35:30
  But do you know the real dark side of it?
• 35:32
  Which they're not wrong when they talk about the dark side of
• 35:36
  K Pop, I'm using quotes. I know you can't see me because
• 35:40
  some of it is true and some of it is stuff we will not know.
• 35:43
  The part that annoys me is every time they're so quick to point
• 35:47
  out the dark side of something, especially in a different
• 35:50
  country when you won't part the dark side of things that are
• 35:53
  happening in your own backyard. Because I promise you, the
• 35:56
  things that are happening behind the scenes in the American
• 35:59
  entertainment industry are probably just as dark or darker.
• 36:04
  But like I said in our last episode, we are really great at
• 36:08
  hiding it. I keep saying I have to applaud
• 36:11
  Hollywood for the audacity of making people think.
• 36:14
  Everybody and anybody that works in the industry are happy and
• 36:19
  rich and live in like 10 story benches on the hill of like
• 36:23
  Beverly Hills and or something. I don't know.
• 36:25
  I've never been to Beverly Hills.
• 36:26
  I really don't know what it looks like, but you get what I'm
• 36:28
  saying. So yeah, again, I'm going to
• 36:31
  link it so you can read it yourself because it's really a
• 36:33
  lot. And I already know Korea has
• 36:37
  some very extreme labor laws and I remember they were trying to
• 36:42
  push the work week to like 70 hours I think instead of the
• 36:47
  normal like 55, which is already or is it 60?
• 36:50
  I can't remember. I just know it's more than the
• 36:52
  US, which is 40 and we have some pretty strict labor laws.
• 36:56
  Well, let me not say that either because that also gets tricky.
• 37:00
  But still, yeah, listen, if the South Korean entertainment and
• 37:06
  like dramas and stuff or even K Pop, if y'all do decide you want
• 37:10
  to go on strike and I'm talking about like the writers, the
• 37:12
  camera people, the people that do the lighting, you know, the
• 37:14
  people that not everyone else thinks about, they're too
• 37:17
  worried about like the actors. If y'all want to go on strike,
• 37:21
  I'm all here for it. And Korean dramas.
• 37:23
  And in K Pop I support the little people.
• 37:26
  I think my theme for 2023 is pay these people their fucking
• 37:30
  money. Well, let's get back to two
• 37:32
  talking about the movie because this rant was very, very long.
• 37:35
  But I needed to say that. So I hope I don't even want to
• 37:39
  say this because I know how shady of a company like Netflix
• 37:42
  is, because in the article it even says they discuss more
• 37:46
  seasons so he can try to get the residual pay.
• 37:50
  It says it in this article and I I really don't believe that.
• 37:53
  But we'll see. I'll never know how much because
• 37:56
  it doesn't say how much they actually paid him either.
• 37:59
  It said that they usually give writers like a let me find the
• 38:03
  amount too. So I don't lie to you.
• 38:06
  Well, you can read it yourself, but I think this is through
• 38:09
  Netflix and this is a Korean producer, but they quoted
• 38:12
  someone that said they were paid 3400 a month for dramas.
• 38:19
  But I thought I read somewhere that there were paid a lump sum
• 38:24
  upfront, but then that had to last them like two to three
• 38:27
  years. I think it was like $30,000.
• 38:29
  Yeah, okay. I found it.
• 38:31
  So it says in advance at Netflix rates starts around $30,000 and
• 38:37
  that's for them to buy the show. But of course, with the pace
• 38:41
  that sometimes it may take, with writing or rewrites, pitching,
• 38:44
  casting and preparing for the shoe and finding your people all
• 38:48
  that, the writers have to live off that for two to three years
• 38:51
  before receiving the full script fee.
• 38:53
  That paragraph. I don't know if it's talking
• 38:55
  about America or South Korea or just how Netflix does, no matter
• 38:58
  where you are in the world. But again, if you have just like
• 39:02
  10 minutes to spare, I would really read this again.
• 39:08
  I hope the American riders go on strike as long as they can.
• 39:11
  I heard the American actors actually might go on strike too,
• 39:14
  so that would be a first. That would be interesting.
• 39:17
  South Korea, if you all need to go on the strike, I will support
• 39:21
  that. Again, I don't know how your
• 39:23
  economy works, if you can afford that, or if you have anything
• 39:26
  called unions like we do here. I just want everyone to be paid
• 39:31
  equally. Okay.
• 39:32
  I'm too much of an optimistic to just want a fair and just world.
• 39:35
  And I know that's all we live in, but I'm keep rambling, so
• 39:39
  let's get back to the show before I keep going for another
• 39:42
  30 minutes. So next we have the character
• 39:49
  Ujiman, and he is, I don't know if he's technically a detective
• 39:53
  or he's a police officer. I mean, he works at the police
• 39:56
  station, but is he more of a detective or an actual officer?
• 39:59
  I feel like there's a difference.
• 40:01
  I think he's more of a detective, OK?
• 40:03
  But like in the in the movie, they identify themselves as
• 40:07
  police officers. So.
• 40:08
  That's why I was confused, Yeah, because they do, they're,
• 40:10
  they're in the missing persons unit, I guess, right.
• 40:14
  I guess so. Are they any actual unit or they
• 40:16
  really just work with that unit? I don't know.
• 40:19
  I don't know either. They don't go into too much
• 40:20
  detail, which wasn't that thing. I was kind of like there were
• 40:23
  some plot holes, like it was one of my grievances with the movie.
• 40:27
  I know it's a movie, so you only have a certain amount of time,
• 40:29
  but at the same time, even in two hours, I still had a lot of
• 40:32
  questions. Yeah, but he is played by the
• 40:35
  actor Kim Kim. He Won Isunu, who is Inami's
• 40:42
  father, is played by Pak Hosan Jong UN Ju, who is Inami's best
• 40:49
  friend. She is the one who is labeled as
• 40:53
  drop dead. Gorgeous English translation,
• 40:56
  right? Okay, That's what I thought.
• 40:58
  And she is played by Kim Yewan, who I guess is a stage name for
• 41:04
  her because Asian Wiki said her real name is Kim Kim you been.
• 41:10
  But we'll respect and call her by her stage name if that's what
• 41:14
  she prefers. So it's Kim Yewan.
• 41:16
  And then, last but certainly not least, is key is.
• 41:20
  No, I mistyped Okay. His name is Kim Jung Ho.
• 41:24
  Kim Jung Ho. That's the actor's, not the
• 41:28
  actor's name. That's the character's name, and
• 41:30
  he is Ujiman's partner. And he is played by John Jin U.
• 41:38
  That's the actor's actual name and I was wondering why he
• 41:42
  looked familiar and when I was looking him up, he is in the
• 41:45
  glory. He played the creepy like
• 41:48
  gangster guy you remember in the Glory who was working with.
• 41:52
  Yeah, the detective, yeah. Yeah.
• 41:54
  OK, that was him. I was wondering, like your face
• 41:57
  looks familiar, right? I thought that too.
• 41:59
  Yeah. But I don't remember names.
• 42:01
  Her dad's face is very familiar too, but I just can't recall
• 42:03
  where I saw him. I'm sure if you look on, you
• 42:06
  know, yeah, like the thing. Yeah, I usually put that in, but
• 42:10
  like I said, this time I didn't. So yeah, that's all the facts
• 42:14
  about the movie guys is to give you, you know, the actors who
• 42:19
  play in it. If any of the names sound
• 42:20
  familiar, if I didn't butcher them too much, I apologize as
• 42:23
  well. And yeah, so we're going to go
• 42:26
  ahead and talk about the movie. So again, if you want to
• 42:29
  actually watch the movie 1st and then listen to us, this is the
• 42:32
  time to bounce. Blow it down.
• 42:36
  Make it bounce it. Sorry.
• 42:37
  I can listen to ATS. I love Ats's new album, by the
• 42:40
  way. And if you don't care about
• 42:43
  spoilers, then just keep listening to us.
• 42:44
  Yeah. OK, so let's start with part
• 42:47
  one. So the movie actually starts off
• 42:51
  with various scene or scenarios where people use their phone,
• 42:56
  right? So for music, for texting, for
• 42:58
  back banking, making reservations and things like
• 43:01
  that, which? Is real life which is real life,
• 43:03
  right? Essentially, my phone.
• 43:06
  If I lose my phone, I'd be screwed.
• 43:08
  Yes, a good chunk of the world would be screwed.
• 43:13
  So yeah, the movie starts off with that and like, it just
• 43:15
  basically like, sets the stage of, like, the importance of like
• 43:19
  a phone, in particular a smartphone, because of all the
• 43:22
  different things you could do on it.
• 43:24
  And so we are introduced to our main, our main female lead.
• 43:28
  She is going home. She's on the bus.
• 43:31
  She is very, very, very drunk. So she has like no idea like
• 43:34
  what is going on around her. And she almost misses her stop
• 43:38
  home. But she eventually catches it.
• 43:40
  But in the means of catching her bus stop, she drops her phone on
• 43:45
  the bus floor, which she doesn't even realize until, like her
• 43:48
  friend comes to her house and like, kind of teases her about
• 43:51
  it. A good a mysterious Good
• 43:53
  Samaritan, as you call him, answers the phone.
• 43:57
  I was so terrified when he started playing that recording.
• 44:00
  I'm like, yes, Oh my gosh. And the fact, you know, the fact
• 44:06
  that he had like preset like statements, I'm like, Oh my
• 44:11
  goodness. And you know, that actually got
• 44:12
  me thinking about like, the whole use of AI now.
• 44:15
  Like how easily we can change the voice of somebody or like,
• 44:19
  impersonate someone. I'm like, Oh my God, this is so
• 44:21
  creepy. And.
• 44:21
  Notice I think he waited too, to see which one to actually use
• 44:25
  because he chose a woman's voice because he's talking to a woman.
• 44:28
  So because, you know, women are more trustful, which isn't
• 44:32
  always true, but I'm sure they're more willing to beat
• 44:35
  with a woman who have picked up the phone than a man.
• 44:38
  Yes. Yeah, so he Um, well, so I mean,
• 44:41
  we we know that the person who picked up the phone is a man,
• 44:45
  but he's impersonating or using the voice of a female to make
• 44:49
  sure, like, the people, the friend feels like, comfortable
• 44:53
  talking to him. And so, yeah, she lets him know
• 44:58
  that, like, this is her friend's phone and that she'll get in
• 45:02
  touch with the friend to see what they want to do.
• 45:04
  And so, which is funny because, like you said, the friend didn't
• 45:07
  think anything about it because they actually thought the
• 45:09
  automated voice was like an actual female.
• 45:12
  So like. It was so weird how it didn't
• 45:14
  sound automated. Like you know what is this one
• 45:17
  of these like recordings where you know like with us learning
• 45:20
  Korean like used to study but like it did sound like.
• 45:24
  It was pretty clear to where it sounded like you were talking to
• 45:26
  an actual person. It was interesting how we had so
• 45:28
  many set up to just like prerecorded of like how to start
• 45:32
  the conversation. I'm like, I don't I?
• 45:35
  Don't know how. People think about this like
• 45:37
  beforehand it was just wild. When you're psycho like that and
• 45:41
  calculative, yes, you think about.
• 45:43
  Everything I question every day, like why people do stuff.
• 45:46
  And then I'll have to get to a point where it's like, I have to
• 45:48
  stop questioning it because it's like the deep sea is unknown.
• 45:51
  And you know, every time and I'm like, this is what I don't trust
• 45:54
  men. This is why I don't trust
• 45:56
  people. This is why quote, UN quote.
• 45:58
  I come off as a brick wall or whatever it is you want to say.
• 46:02
  Because I've been told that that I come as a brick wall
• 46:04
  sometimes. I'm like, yeah, I've.
• 46:05
  Been told that too. Yeah.
• 46:06
  And I'm just like there's a reason and.
• 46:08
  That's why I'm so quiet, too. I just.
• 46:09
  Because like, like observing people first, just to get like a
• 46:13
  vibe. I'm not trying to do it just to
• 46:15
  be like standoffish or think I'm better than you is just like,
• 46:18
  you just don't know these things.
• 46:20
  Yeah, and it's gotten worse. I just couldn't get the thought
• 46:23
  of like, the whole AI thing out of my head.
• 46:26
  Because now you. Can you can you can create get a
• 46:29
  voice based off of just a really small sample and that in itself
• 46:32
  is just scary this. Is why I was telling you those
• 46:35
  songs being made by AI voices is is terrifying.
• 46:38
  Yeah, it's not fun. I don't find them fun or funny
• 46:41
  at all. It's great if the actual artists
• 46:43
  themselves are doing it. But now I can see that turning
• 46:47
  real quickly. And not only that, but I hear
• 46:49
  with AI Deep Fake is starting to get, you know, more progressive.
• 46:53
  So it's just like, yeah, actually that brings up a really
• 46:56
  good, like, PSA moment. I was listening to this or I was
• 47:00
  watching this Instagram story where they were like, whenever
• 47:04
  someone calls you and it sounds like somebody for that's a
• 47:07
  family member and they're like, Oh my gosh, I need like money.
• 47:10
  Can you come, can you, like, send me money or like, can you
• 47:12
  do something for me That may seem like normal, but like, it's
• 47:16
  probably a little bit odd for that person to do.
• 47:18
  Always make sure you call back. Like you hang up and call back
• 47:22
  that person just to verify. Because even if you text them,
• 47:26
  like the text can easily be like manipulated, right?
• 47:29
  Like even voices can be manipulated.
• 47:31
  So it's important that like you actually connect with the person
• 47:35
  and verify like this is what you need.
• 47:36
  Which is funny because, yeah, because we, me and my dad a
• 47:40
  while ago, talked about it because there was a woman who
• 47:43
  was talking about, like, how her sister called her and she
• 47:45
  thought, you know, it was her. And we have like our own, like,
• 47:48
  little secret code. Yes, we have in a phrase, even
• 47:52
  though I get annoyed when he says it to me.
• 47:54
  But like, it does help in those situations.
• 47:57
  But like, it's crazy because we were sitting in our living room
• 47:59
  yesterday having a conversation and he's he's like kind of
• 48:03
  standing up next to the table. Sitting at the table and his
• 48:06
  phone's on the other side. So it's like all of a sudden
• 48:09
  when he said something, the Siri on his phone was like, I didn't
• 48:14
  understand that Now. He didn't say hey Siri, he
• 48:17
  didn't say Siri, and he didn't have his phone in his hand.
• 48:20
  But. Siri automatically turned on.
• 48:22
  So that was another scary thing. And I was like, was that you?
• 48:25
  Like, do you have one of your headphones, like, in your
• 48:28
  pockets or something you actually touched?
• 48:30
  And he pulled out like his pockets.
• 48:31
  Like, I don't have anything. This is what people don't
• 48:35
  understand when it comes to like, Alexa or like Siri.
• 48:38
  You don't have to say hey Siri, hey Alexa, for Alexa or Siri to
• 48:42
  be listening. They're always listening, even
• 48:47
  before I believe it, even before when you had to specify hey
• 48:51
  Siri, hey this, they were always, always listening.
• 48:54
  Like, I would just be talking about I don't have Siri on my
• 48:57
  phone. So, like, I'd just be talking
• 48:59
  about like, I don't know, a trip to, like, Tennessee or
• 49:02
  something. And tell me how I start saying
• 49:03
  ads for Tennessee. Like how does.
• 49:06
  Always been a thing, but like, how does my phone know?
• 49:08
  You know what I mean? Because they're watching you,
• 49:10
  right? They're watching us right now.
• 49:12
  Record this probably, but I'm just saying if that like it's
• 49:16
  been. It's become so easy to just
• 49:18
  monitor people. Yeah, through and.
• 49:20
  It's getting scarier because it's not even just like phones
• 49:22
  and laptops anymore, because I listen to this one podcast.
• 49:26
  Called the friend zone and the girl Fran was talking about how
• 49:29
  she has a smart thermometer. And then it seemed like somehow
• 49:34
  someone had hacked the smart thermometer and was able to see
• 49:37
  like, what she was doing, which is also terrifying.
• 49:40
  I saw another TikTok talking about a girl.
• 49:43
  Seemed like she hacked her, Alexa, and I'm not.
• 49:46
  I didn't think Alexis had cameras in them, but maybe it
• 49:49
  was those. Whatever device she has Alexa
• 49:51
  on, it seemed like they might have also hacked it to the
• 49:54
  camera to, like, watch her and stuff again.
• 49:58
  Anything smart can be hacked, whether that's a phone, a car, a
• 50:03
  cleaning machine. You know those little like smart
• 50:05
  I robot like vacuum cleaners. We were thinking about getting
• 50:08
  one too, but we didn't getting one.
• 50:10
  Yeah, you can have that. And like, I saw videos of like
• 50:13
  people's, like, I robots being hacked and like showing them
• 50:16
  like the whole house via camera. I was like, Oh my God, which is
• 50:20
  fine because I really, really wanted one.
• 50:22
  And I'm like, no, no, no, no even.
• 50:24
  Our Bluetooth speaker, like, there's no camera on it, but
• 50:27
  like sometimes, since we live in an apartment now, there are
• 50:29
  instances where it's, you know, coming through the TV and then
• 50:33
  it stops and I think someone's trying to connect to it.
• 50:36
  And it's just like we can't live without this stuff and at the
• 50:39
  same time, no privacy anymore. Speaking of Bluetooth, this is
• 50:45
  the last thing I want to say before I move on.
• 50:46
  But like, Speaking of Bluetooth, it was so funny because this
• 50:49
  actually scared the shit out of me.
• 50:50
  When I used to go, like when I used to drive my brother's car
• 50:53
  before I got my own, I told the. Story about the Apple tag.
• 50:57
  Yeah, no, not the Apple tag, but like I turned the car on and I
• 51:00
  would hear SpongeBob and he's like coming out of the audio.
• 51:03
  And it would freak me out so much.
• 51:06
  And I'm like, where the hell is SpongeBob coming from?
• 51:08
  Because we don't have kids in our house that, like, we don't
• 51:10
  have kids. And like, so I turned the car
• 51:13
  off and I turned it back on and it'd be like another radio.
• 51:16
  Like it'd be just like something else every time.
• 51:19
  And I'm like, oh, my gosh. So I told him he's like, that's
• 51:21
  probably like somebody in the area who's, like, connected,
• 51:25
  Like, I've got automatically connected through Bluetooth.
• 51:28
  And I'm like, that's freaky as shit because like, that's like,
• 51:31
  at 5:30 in the morning. I don't need that.
• 51:33
  It's dark out. Right.
• 51:35
  Absolutely terrifying. Yeah, but yeah, moving right
• 51:40
  along. I know, I know.
• 51:43
  That's why I wanted to do this is because it was just funny how
• 51:45
  we've talked about AI last time and I was like, oh.
• 51:48
  Yeah, a. Movie to talk about more and do
• 51:52
  me perminator like Future ahead of.
• 51:55
  But I will say though, this movie just brought a lot of
• 51:58
  things to my attention that now I'm actually gonna lookout for.
• 52:01
  Like for like the phone camera. I don't know why I never thought
• 52:03
  that could be hacked. I want to watch out for.
• 52:06
  That that scared me. I didn't know that could be
• 52:08
  happening like that, and like, how her phone would start
• 52:10
  texting by itself. But the freak Like what?
• 52:13
  Like he was able to remotely do that.
• 52:17
  Oh yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no.
• 52:20
  But any who, but yeah, with this, like, phone call was just
• 52:23
  talking to the friend. He was able to figure out like
• 52:26
  the girl's phone. Like the girl's name is Nami.
• 52:30
  And so, sorry, but yeah, So she eventually calls him, Nami
• 52:35
  eventually calls him, and they talk and she think again with
• 52:39
  the female voice, right? And so she thinks him about,
• 52:43
  like, finding her phone and everything.
• 52:44
  And they agree to meet up at Cafe Missy, which is her dad's
• 52:47
  cafe, but that obviously does not happen.
• 52:50
  So what he does is he tries to get into her phone by putting in
• 52:53
  like different passcodes. Doesn't work.
• 52:55
  And so he purposely breaks her screen, calls her back and tells
• 52:58
  her, oh hey, I accidentally broke your screen, but I got it
• 53:01
  sent to a repair shop to get fixed and I paid for everything.
• 53:05
  All you have to do. Before, before you move on, not
• 53:08
  to interrupt you, but there another reason he found out who
• 53:11
  Nami is, is because that's another thing too.
• 53:14
  I feel like I want to turn off my notifications on my phone to
• 53:16
  where it shows up. Like if you get like an
• 53:18
  Instagram, yeah, her friends were tagging her in Instagram
• 53:23
  and so he, you know, her Instagram is not private.
• 53:25
  So he was able to go on, look up the username that popped up and
• 53:28
  see, you know, like what she looked like the friend.
• 53:30
  They might be talking to and things like that, yes.
• 53:32
  Yeah. So the Instagram played a big
• 53:34
  part too. Where was I?
• 53:37
  Yeah. So she sent it to.
• 53:38
  He sent it a repair shop to get it fixed.
• 53:41
  And she's like, okay, I'll thank you so much.
• 53:43
  And so she goes there to go get it picked up.
• 53:45
  She arrives there and the building is like old and stuff,
• 53:49
  but she still goes. Inside she goes.
• 53:53
  I don't. Know how I would feel going into
• 53:55
  a place I've never been to by myself that is sketchy like
• 53:59
  that, and trusting someone who would have mysteriously found my
• 54:02
  phone and fix it for me for free.
• 54:05
  It's like sometimes when people do good things like that, you
• 54:09
  don't want to trust it, You don't want to.
• 54:11
  Trust it. But then you also don't want to
• 54:12
  be like there are still people out there that just do good
• 54:15
  things. So like, not to be too paranoid,
• 54:18
  but at the same time it's like. Yeah, suspicious.
• 54:22
  No one doesn't anymore. And we don't like,
• 54:26
  unfortunately, we don't live in areas where it is relatively
• 54:29
  safe, but it's very odd for that kind of gesture to happen, you
• 54:33
  know? Yeah.
• 54:35
  So essentially she arrives there, there is a sign before
• 54:38
  she enters that says enter with a mask only.
• 54:41
  I thought they had recorded this around COVID time, which is why
• 54:44
  they had that, but no, no. No, I don't.
• 54:46
  They did too, because if you remember the opening scene on
• 54:48
  the news they were talking about.
• 54:50
  How they were like ever since they lifted the mask policy on
• 54:53
  like on the subways and stuff and the buses, they were talking
• 54:56
  about how people were still wearing the mask because they
• 54:58
  felt more comfortable doing that.
• 55:00
  So I was wondering if they had recorded this or like was trying
• 55:03
  to make it more modern day like post COVID as well.
• 55:07
  I thought that too. I honestly until I'll get to
• 55:10
  that point. But yeah, I thought that was the
• 55:12
  main reason why. But like so you she didn't think
• 55:14
  again. She didn't think of anything of
• 55:15
  anything And so she put on her mask and she goes in and when
• 55:19
  she goes in we find out that the repair shop belongs to our mail
• 55:26
  lead, which is John Young. And this mail lead by the way is
• 55:29
  the one who found her phone has been tracking her ever since he
• 55:32
  got that phone. So he asks her to fill out a
• 55:34
  form which gives you know, basically he write down her
• 55:38
  name, her password for her phone, which I wanted to ask.
• 55:43
  Is that normal for a repair shop to do to ask for the password of
• 55:46
  the phone or are they able to fix it without going into the
• 55:49
  phone itself? I think so because I I had to
• 55:52
  have had my phone repaired before because there was a time
• 55:56
  where my speaker on my cell phone wasn't working.
• 55:58
  So like when I would call people, they couldn't hear me.
• 56:01
  It was like broken. They either asked for it or they
• 56:04
  asked you before you get there to turn it off.
• 56:08
  I don't remember which one. I have a not that I think about
• 56:11
  it, I think. They told me to turn it off in
• 56:14
  my settings. But then again, that was a very
• 56:25
  long time ago, so I don't truly remember, but I don't feel like
• 56:29
  I gave it to them. Yeah, I don't think they asked
• 56:16
  for it. I think they're just like, oh,
• 56:19
  if you don't mind, can you go ahead while you're standing
• 56:21
  here? Like, you know, turn off your
• 56:22
  passcodes. I feel like I turned it off
• 56:31
  beforehand because I was just thinking, I don't know which
• 56:35
  would be more weird to ask for someone's password or like to
• 56:41
  ask them to turn it off beforehand.
• 56:43
  As far as like fixing the phone, you know, yeah.
• 56:45
  Because I was going to be like, when you get it repaired, just
• 56:49
  reset your settings and change it.
• 56:50
  But in this case, it didn't matter.
• 56:52
  So yeah, I mean, whenever you got your phone fixed and either
• 56:55
  way, it's not going to matter because whatever they're going
• 56:58
  to do, they're going to do when you're not there, you know,
• 57:00
  especially. If you're not tech savvy like a
• 57:02
  majority of us, yes exactly. But yeah, so he has her fill out
• 57:06
  like this form, which basically has all her information,
• 57:09
  especially the passcode which he has been trying to get.
• 57:13
  And so now he has like access to everything.
• 57:16
  And so he fixes the screen. Did he does he fix the screen or
• 57:19
  does he like get another phone? Cuz he had two phones.
• 57:22
  It's. Another phone but another
• 57:24
  question I have. If he was a true hacker, when
• 57:27
  has he been able to get into the phone without needing her
• 57:30
  password? Because there's a lot of times
• 57:32
  where people, especially back then, would find phones and
• 57:36
  jailbreak them without needing to know the passcode.
• 57:39
  I just thought of that right now as you were talking another.
• 57:43
  Plot hole. I mean, maybe, right?
• 57:45
  You know, I feel like he probably did know how to do it,
• 57:48
  but it was just he likes the thrill of it, I guess.
• 57:52
  I was gonna say, do you think it was another like tactic to get
• 57:54
  like to No words to see what she looks like?
• 57:57
  To somewhat get more information, to get close,
• 58:01
  probably okay. I just felt like it was more
• 58:04
  like, oh, I can take my time with this.
• 58:06
  I don't need to. I'm not in a rush, you know,
• 58:08
  right type thing. But yeah, so he got her phone,
• 58:12
  he was able to get in and he installed a surveillance app.
• 58:17
  And so this quite literally tracks her every single move.
• 58:22
  Like every time she opens up her phone, every time she sends a
• 58:24
  text and every time she gets a notification when she turns her
• 58:28
  camera on, like basically every single thing.
• 58:40
  Was it an app or was it an actual thing he put in the chip?
• 58:32
  And so this part I was like, when they, like, started showing
• 58:36
  him like tracking her for a few days, I'm like, Oh my God, this
• 58:38
  is so. I think it was an it was an app
• 58:46
  because he sends that same link to the dad and he just, you
• 58:49
  know, downloads it. Yeah, yeah.
• 58:52
  And so, yeah, so like, he downloads that application into
• 58:55
  her phone and then like, that's it.
• 58:57
  Done. So yeah, the story moves along,
• 58:59
  showing us how he's monitoring, monitoring, monitoring
• 59:02
  everything. And basically at one point,
• 59:05
  like, her and her friends were having a conversation about the
• 59:08
  Plumb aid that her dad makes for her at the cafe and how like it
• 59:13
  wasn't really selling well and they want to take it off the
• 59:15
  menu and things like that. So he hears this, which by the
• 59:18
  way we find out about John Young, that is that him and his
• 59:22
  dad, they planted like a plum tree when they were young and so
• 59:26
  he he likes plums. So anything plums.
• 59:28
  I guess that caught his attention.
• 59:30
  You know what? I didn't even think about that
• 59:32
  until you said that that makes a lot more sense.
• 59:34
  Yeah, So there's that. And so he goes to the cafe like
• 59:42
  just as himself. And so he asked for the Plumb
• 59:45
  aid and saying that he had it like last summer and like he
• 59:48
  really loved it and things like that.
• 59:50
  But she was like, oh, we don't have it on the menu.
• 59:53
  When when did you drink it? And that's when he said the
• 59:55
  summer thing. And she's like, OK, yeah, fine,
• 59:57
  I'll make it for you. And so she gives him the, the
• 1:00:00
  plumbing. And then her dad walks into the
• 1:00:02
  cafe and he sees her talking to him and, like, they're getting
• 1:00:05
  along and acting chummy and everything like that.
• 1:00:07
  And he's like, oh, do you know that guy?
• 1:00:10
  And she's like, no, he's a, he's a regular.
• 1:00:12
  I thought you'd like, you know, recognize him.
• 1:00:14
  And he's like, oh, OK and so. At this point, nothing like
• 1:00:18
  there was no alarm bell, no nothing like raised just yet.
• 1:00:22
  For the Father, yes. For the Father, yes.
• 1:00:25
  Physical father. You know the father.
• 1:00:26
  Yes. And then the girl now and.
• 1:00:28
  But she just leaves to go to hang out with like her friends.
• 1:00:32
  And then that is for that scene. And then it cuts into John
• 1:00:35
  Young's dad's conversation with his colleague.
• 1:00:39
  I think I skipped apart. All right.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah. So in between all of this, there
• 1:00:42
  is like an investigation going about like how it's mostly
• 1:00:46
  girls, right? The dead bodies, they were
• 1:00:48
  girls, right? I don't think so.
• 1:00:50
  I think it was a mix of both. They didn't really specify.
• 1:00:53
  They didn't specify. Yeah, so there.
• 1:00:55
  I think a majority might have been women but I think he's it's
• 1:01:00
  probably mixed. But yeah, anyway, they were,
• 1:01:02
  they were finding like, dead bodies all around the city.
• 1:01:04
  And like at one point there was a lot of incriminating evidence
• 1:01:09
  against the lead inspector, the lead investigator's son, whose
• 1:01:14
  name is John Young. And that's when we find out that
• 1:01:17
  John Young have run away from home like 7 years ago and like
• 1:01:19
  him and his dad, have not been in contact since.
• 1:01:22
  And so the colleague was like, why don't you talk to your wife?
• 1:01:25
  Because there's no way they haven't been in contact.
• 1:01:26
  Right. And so he thinks about it.
• 1:01:29
  And so he goes back home and he goes through his wife's phone
• 1:01:33
  and he actually does find out that they have been
• 1:01:35
  communicating through text and he's been telling her his wears
• 1:01:40
  about and things like that so he can, so that she can send him
• 1:01:43
  like food and things like that. So he was able to track down his
• 1:01:46
  latest, our current location. So now we go back to John Young
• 1:01:52
  stalking Nami. Tsunami puts her phone away for
• 1:01:55
  the night on her little pool charging thing.
• 1:02:00
  But after she falls asleep, this freaked me out so much.
• 1:02:04
  It just turned on automatically, like and just doing its own
• 1:02:08
  thing. I'm like, Oh my God, that is so
• 1:02:10
  freaking scary. And so.
• 1:02:12
  Going through the phone and just looking at stuff like her,
• 1:02:15
  social media, right? What their bank account or not,
• 1:02:18
  things like that. He found out a lot of stuff like
• 1:02:21
  he like over now overnight. He found out like so much
• 1:02:23
  personal information like her house passcode that she lives
• 1:02:27
  alone. She doesn't have, you know,
• 1:02:29
  roommates or there's no like landlord situation.
• 1:02:33
  He knows what her house looks like.
• 1:02:35
  He knows like, what bus route she takes, like basically
• 1:02:38
  everything. And the most important thing he
• 1:02:40
  finds out is that she runs a secret Instagram account about,
• 1:02:44
  like, her company and everything.
• 1:02:46
  So yeah, So the next morning comes Nami goes to work.
• 1:02:51
  She finds out that the company's doing really, really well and
• 1:02:53
  that she's about to get a raise. And then we cut back to John
• 1:02:56
  Young, being the stalker freak that he is, is in front of her
• 1:03:00
  house. Like literally sitting in like
• 1:03:02
  the front area of her house while like that whole
• 1:03:04
  conversation with her boss is going on.
• 1:03:06
  And he goes in to her house and he goes through everything.
• 1:03:10
  He checks the bathroom. I don't know why he checked if
• 1:03:13
  the water was running. That was weird, but.
• 1:03:15
  Hey, this is being a creep. That's a part of being a creep,
• 1:03:18
  yeah. He checked the room, the
• 1:03:19
  bathrooms. He goes through her desk and he
• 1:03:23
  finds a phone. He finds a phone which he takes
• 1:03:27
  and I think he installed something in that phone too,
• 1:03:30
  which we find out later. Well.
• 1:03:31
  That's where she got see so far, I'm not sure if I remember like,
• 1:03:34
  paying attention or not. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:03:37
  So, OK, yeah, so he takes the phone.
• 1:03:39
  I'm pretty sure he installed something on it so that whenever
• 1:03:41
  she, you know, turns it back on, he'll know.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah. So I think he also made a
• 1:03:47
  withdrawal from her like card, right, Like he took money to
• 1:03:51
  from her bank account. I.
• 1:03:53
  Because he thing I was like, I don't think he did he still
• 1:03:56
  much, I don't know because we just saw a scene of him like
• 1:03:58
  withdrawing money from a bank account and then just throwing
• 1:04:00
  away a card, like holding it up like a credit card or debit
• 1:04:04
  card, whatever. But I'm not sure if that was.
• 1:04:06
  He did. Then that's another plot hole
• 1:04:07
  because I don't remember them ever bringing up again.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah, I think you'd be worried if someone was taking money for.
• 1:04:12
  I was waiting for that to come back again.
• 1:04:14
  That's the first thing I would check.
• 1:04:15
  Exactly. Um.
• 1:04:16
  So yeah, so basically her phone is being hacked and used like,
• 1:04:19
  every single day. And this is the part that, like,
• 1:04:22
  kind of aggravated me, is that she never noticed that her phone
• 1:04:26
  would just light up on its own or, like, do its own thing.
• 1:04:28
  It's like that just tells you she's not like into her phone
• 1:04:31
  like the rest of society is, which is probably why she ran
• 1:04:34
  into that issue. I don't know.
• 1:04:36
  It was even that. Or like even though she was on
• 1:04:38
  her phone, maybe he also just doesn't have a life.
• 1:04:41
  It was watching her to where? He would do that when he knew
• 1:04:45
  she wasn't paying attention, you know, So like he knew her
• 1:04:47
  patterns, basically. Yeah, because if he's watching
• 1:04:49
  her through the phone the whole time, he's going to know like,
• 1:04:51
  Oh yeah, when she's not on it at.
• 1:04:52
  Her phone and like when she's not, like whether the phone's
• 1:04:56
  not in her face or anywhere where she can see like it light
• 1:04:58
  up or things like that. So that's true, I guess.
• 1:05:01
  So I think it was just by him watching her.
• 1:05:04
  He would do it when she wasn't paying attention and she wasn't
• 1:05:06
  like, physically got you. That kind of makes sense.
• 1:05:09
  She seems like a. Heavy sleeper.
• 1:05:10
  She doesn't notice a light coming on when she's sleeping.
• 1:05:13
  So yeah, I mean, that is the reason why she ran into this.
• 1:05:17
  No, actually alcohol was the reason, but anyway that.
• 1:05:19
  Was gonna say that was alcohol? Yeah, This is why we don't drink
• 1:05:22
  guys. Or you drink with a buddy.
• 1:05:24
  This is why I don't drink, or you drink with somebody you
• 1:05:26
  trust. Yeah, that's why we always have
• 1:05:29
  a designated. Well, it's usually driver, but I
• 1:05:32
  don't know. Usually only always have one
• 1:05:35
  mildly sober person in the group so they can be aware.
• 1:05:38
  If you're with friends that you trust enough like that, I would
• 1:05:41
  just suggest you don't drink, period.
• 1:05:43
  Because alcohol is not good for you.
• 1:05:45
  It's a depressant. It's not supposed to make you
• 1:05:47
  happy. But we are the masters of our
• 1:05:50
  own lives. So I mean, if you're going to do
• 1:05:52
  something, just know there are consequences.
• 1:05:54
  I just don't care. Anywho, So yeah, so basically
• 1:05:59
  her phone is being hacked and then we get cut to the scene
• 1:06:03
  where her parents, Jen Yun's parents, are talking.
• 1:05:54
  For real. So he confronts his wife about
• 1:06:08
  the where, About his whereabouts.
• 1:06:10
  And he basically tells her like, there's incriminating evidence
• 1:06:14
  against him. He found evidence by the plum
• 1:06:17
  tree that they like, you know, planted when he was like 10
• 1:06:20
  years old. And so his dad in the meantime,
• 1:06:23
  while he was talking to his wife, had his phone and
• 1:06:25
  everything traced. So they actually did find his
• 1:06:27
  location. And so the mom like starts
• 1:06:29
  freaking out and then like he leaves.
• 1:06:32
  But when they traced the phone, they find out that the phone is
• 1:06:36
  under the name of a female. So they're essentially they're
• 1:06:39
  back to square one as far as like tracking him down.
• 1:06:43
  But they did find out that he had reported for fraud because
• 1:06:47
  he lost a lot of money in a scam and that he runs a repair shop
• 1:06:52
  but doesn't own his own phone. So they thought that was weird
• 1:06:55
  as far as like information they found.
• 1:06:58
  Let's see, So the dad, he goes to John Young's residence.
• 1:07:03
  He goes through his things and finds a lot of incriminating
• 1:07:06
  evidence. So he finds everything related
• 1:07:07
  to the most recent dead body that they found.
• 1:07:10
  So they found like pictures of the girl, the stuff that he uses
• 1:07:15
  her phone and things like that. So at that point, while the dad
• 1:07:20
  is going through everything in his apartment, John Young is on
• 1:07:22
  his way to his house when he noticed a little red thread like
• 1:07:25
  by his door on the floor. And that like just gave him the
• 1:07:29
  alert that somebody is inside of his house.
• 1:07:31
  So he goes around to the side and he finds out that it is the
• 1:07:33
  dad. So he tricks the dad.
• 1:07:36
  And I thought this was actually very clever the way he had.
• 1:07:39
  Didn't scare me, yeah, the way he was, like tricking him and
• 1:07:42
  all that. So he was prepared.
• 1:07:44
  Yeah, like the way he like the way he tackled that was just so
• 1:07:48
  clever. But like, it's also very, very
• 1:07:50
  scary. Like so he took.
• 1:07:52
  It's clever and scary at the same time.
• 1:07:54
  We can admit that, yeah. He bounces, Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  So he went around his apartment and went to the the window and
• 1:07:58
  he took a picture of his dad going through everything and
• 1:08:01
  he's like, hey dad, it's been a while and sends him a picture.
• 1:08:04
  And then the dad like freaks out, runs outside, and then he
• 1:08:06
  just keeps sending like pictures from like different locations.
• 1:08:09
  The dad is just running manically here and there.
• 1:08:12
  And so in the meantime, he goes back into the apartment, gets
• 1:08:16
  rid of evidence, takes the stuff he needs, and he.
• 1:08:20
  Destroys everything. Yeah, he just destroys
• 1:08:23
  everything. But not before the dad found out
• 1:08:25
  that there's one more victim which is not me.
• 1:08:28
  That's still around. Yeah, which is not me.
• 1:08:30
  So he So he was able to figure out that, like, there's still a
• 1:08:33
  chance for for me to catch my son, Unfortunately, that's one
• 1:08:38
  thing I kind of wish, though, like, they kind of went into the
• 1:08:40
  back story of like, what went wrong between them.
• 1:08:42
  That's. What I was wondering the whole
• 1:08:44
  time of like what made him run away like?
• 1:08:48
  Did you do something to him? Did you hit him?
• 1:08:51
  Did y'all just not get along? And like, we don't have an age
• 1:08:54
  range of how old he is, so I don't know.
• 1:08:57
  They said that he's been gone for seven years.
• 1:08:59
  So when did he leave? Like, I had a lot of questions.
• 1:09:02
  Exactly. And I know it's a movie, so
• 1:09:04
  like, you're on a time crunch, but I wish they at least touched
• 1:09:07
  on why he left. This is a I guess a bad thing
• 1:09:10
  that I do is like whenever I watch like movies with
• 1:09:13
  psychopaths like I want to like justify their actions in the
• 1:09:17
  movie. Like for example in this case
• 1:09:19
  like what is the actual reason why he does what he does?
• 1:09:22
  Like, is it daddy issues or is it like he was abused when he
• 1:09:26
  was growing up? But we don't have any sort of
• 1:09:28
  contacts as to like why he does what he does even.
• 1:09:31
  So like, I don't know if you. Can even justify that of him
• 1:09:34
  turning out the way he is, just because that's what I talk with
• 1:09:38
  Macy and I think you will A lot that I bring up.
• 1:09:40
  That's that nature, virtues, nurture.
• 1:09:43
  So you don't know if he was like already like this.
• 1:09:46
  And even if that fortunately happened, it just added on to
• 1:09:50
  it. You could have had a perfectly
• 1:09:51
  normal life and he still ended up like this.
• 1:09:54
  Like, you just never know. And that is one of those things
• 1:09:58
  where it's tricky to talk about because we just truly don't
• 1:10:01
  know. Yeah, A little more context in
• 1:10:04
  that regard would have made the story a little bit more.
• 1:10:07
  Yeah, no clear wanted to know. I just want to know why he
• 1:10:09
  loves. But so yeah, that's where we
• 1:10:13
  were. Dang.
• 1:10:15
  Really. Stop.
• 1:10:17
  Yeah. So he grabs this thing and
• 1:10:18
  leaves. And then he goes straight to the
• 1:10:21
  cafe where Nami works and he gets a plumade.
• 1:10:25
  At this point, though, it's the dad that deals with him.
• 1:10:28
  He's like, oh, I haven't seen you in a long time.
• 1:10:30
  And he's like, yeah, yeah. And the dad makes a point to
• 1:10:33
  mention, like, yeah, the plumbing is something that I
• 1:10:36
  give to my regulars. So, like, if you're a regular, I
• 1:10:39
  make a point to remember your face.
• 1:10:41
  And so he was like, so that, like, had a light bulb go off.
• 1:10:45
  And John Young's had like, uh oh, he's on to me.
• 1:10:48
  Which honestly is a good thing. But then not really Just, you
• 1:10:52
  know, gets the dad in trouble. We.
• 1:10:53
  Kind of expect everyone to fall for his little thing.
• 1:10:56
  Did he think the father was going to be as naive as Nami?
• 1:10:59
  Like, come on. Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  And sometimes it is. But then sometimes you gotta
• 1:11:03
  remember. And he's a father.
• 1:11:05
  Exactly. He's always looking at.
• 1:11:06
  Fathers that usually care are more worried, especially when
• 1:11:09
  they have daughters. So yeah, so he goes there.
• 1:11:12
  He sells Nami some tickets for something and he also gives her
• 1:11:15
  like a business card for in case, quote, UN quote, anything
• 1:11:18
  goes wrong. And so after that point, Nami's
• 1:11:23
  dad takes her home. And like in the car, he asks her
• 1:11:26
  if he should move to Seoul because he just thinks that John
• 1:11:29
  Young is a creep and just so that he could be closer and
• 1:11:31
  like, you know, keep an eye on things.
• 1:11:33
  And he was like worried too, because he's like, he lied about
• 1:11:35
  being a regular. He sold her like, the CD's and
• 1:11:38
  the tickets. And so the father has doubts
• 1:11:41
  and, like, warned her to stay away.
• 1:11:43
  And mind you, John Young is listening in to all this entire
• 1:11:47
  conversation. So he knows that the dad does
• 1:11:51
  not trust him and things like that.
• 1:11:53
  Yeah. So after that she tells off her
• 1:11:56
  dad goes into her house. What typical father daughter.
• 1:12:00
  Like, don't tell me what to do right?
• 1:12:02
  I'm not grown. I'm like, girl, you're grown.
• 1:12:04
  You could have responded much more nicely, but OK.
• 1:12:07
  But yeah. Anyway, so her friend comes over
• 1:12:10
  and, which I found really weird because I don't know if he
• 1:12:14
  knows, but she mentioned that like she told her to come over
• 1:12:19
  right? She's like she also.
• 1:12:21
  Must have missed that because I thought she came over because
• 1:12:23
  she was upset about blowing an interview she had, because she
• 1:12:27
  mentioned that no, she was, that's why she came.
• 1:12:29
  But like, apparently like Nami had sent her a text about like
• 1:12:33
  her interview and things like that.
• 1:12:36
  I don't know. It was just really weird And
• 1:12:37
  that's. Missed that.
• 1:12:38
  And I watched this movie and Nami was like and Nami was like.
• 1:12:42
  I sent that, I sent that. But like, they don't go further
• 1:12:44
  into that part. Essentially.
• 1:12:46
  Eventually they start talking about John Young and like how.
• 1:12:50
  And so Nami eventually mentions that, like, she's not really,
• 1:12:53
  like attracted to him, but like she is curious about him because
• 1:12:58
  they do have like a lot of things in common.
• 1:13:00
  And so she does mention that he would look better if he, like,
• 1:13:03
  got rid of the glass and then like cut his hair, which I
• 1:13:05
  thought. He looked fine.
• 1:13:07
  He looked cute. Either way he did, he did.
• 1:13:09
  Maybe that's the baby standard. I don't understand.
• 1:13:12
  Yeah, left adorable with the glasses.
• 1:13:14
  And yeah, so she's like, she just wants to, like, get to know
• 1:13:16
  him better. And so at that point, John Young
• 1:13:20
  hats Nami's phone. I mean, it's already hacked, but
• 1:13:22
  like, he hacks it again and texts her dad to install the
• 1:13:28
  surveillance app, which by the way is called the Peepers app.
• 1:13:30
  That in itself should have been a freaking red flag.
• 1:13:34
  Like who would name an application Peepers?
• 1:13:36
  Like, let's just like come on dad, you were so smart until
• 1:13:39
  like 2 minutes ago. That's funny.
• 1:13:41
  Because that makes you think of a Regular Show episode where
• 1:13:44
  like, Benson literally got a security camera called Peepers
• 1:13:49
  to watch Mordecai and Rigby, because they're so lazy, won't
• 1:13:52
  do their jobs. But it was called Peepers, so he
• 1:13:55
  can watch them, right? So if you're downloading
• 1:13:58
  something called Peepers, I don't know.
• 1:14:01
  I don't know. Maybe that's just me.
• 1:14:02
  Yeah, but you you have to remember though, I guess in his
• 1:14:05
  defense is that he's getting this text from his daughter, but
• 1:14:09
  he did actually have his doubts. Actually, now that I think about
• 1:14:11
  it, he's like, Are you sure this is safe?
• 1:14:12
  And she's like. He kept asking, Yeah, Are you
• 1:14:15
  sure this is like an OK software?
• 1:14:17
  Like, what is this actually for? Things like that?
• 1:14:19
  So at least he did question. Yeah, she's like, oh, in case I
• 1:14:22
  lose my phone again and he's like chuckling, Ha ha, that's
• 1:14:26
  true. Downloads it and I'm like, Oh my
• 1:14:29
  God, this psychopath has her down to the T But yeah, so he
• 1:14:34
  down downloads it. And now, like, he has access to
• 1:14:37
  the dad too. And so Jen Yung's dad goes to
• 1:14:43
  oh, so we're cutting the scene back to the detective, which is
• 1:14:45
  Jen Yung's dad. He goes to the most recent Dead
• 1:14:48
  Girls Mom's restaurant and says that this part I was kind of
• 1:14:52
  confused on. So, like, the mom says that Jen
• 1:14:56
  Yun was the one who told her daughter to go to Thailand.
• 1:14:59
  Like, was that what that was? Was it John Young that told her
• 1:15:03
  that? Or was it the daughter herself
• 1:15:05
  that said that she was going on a trip like texted her.
• 1:15:09
  I also do the impression that she said she got a text from the
• 1:15:12
  daughter, OK, She was like going out the country, OK.
• 1:15:15
  But she did meet John Young, like in person I believe.
• 1:15:19
  Yeah, because the mom was saying that she met some guy and like
• 1:15:24
  and then asked her to go to Thailand with him or something
• 1:15:27
  like that. So I'm not sure.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, because I thought she mentioned the repair shop and I
• 1:15:32
  thought she said like she the daughter met him when he
• 1:15:35
  repaired her father and then like the daughter told her that
• 1:15:38
  she was going to go to Thailand with him or something.
• 1:15:41
  Yeah, yeah, I don't remember something like that.
• 1:15:43
  So that's when the dad kind of, like, starts noticing when he
• 1:15:46
  first first hears about, like, a pattern that he uses, how he,
• 1:15:50
  like, breaks their phone, asks them to go to a repair shop, get
• 1:15:53
  yada yada. So then we cut back to the scene
• 1:15:55
  of Donny's dad. He gets a package.
• 1:15:58
  This man, if you know you're not expecting a package, why are you
• 1:16:02
  going to go get a package? I mean, maybe he thought it was
• 1:16:05
  one of his neighbors and was trying to do the neighborly
• 1:16:07
  thing like, oh, whose package actually came to me.
• 1:16:10
  I I would have questioned. I would do that too.
• 1:16:12
  I at least I would do that, but like I wouldn't go out in the.
• 1:16:15
  I don't know. It's.
• 1:16:16
  Like, it's one of those things where you question like, oh, I
• 1:16:18
  would never do that, but if you really think about it, you
• 1:16:21
  probably would. I'm just thinking I'm like,
• 1:16:22
  would I do that? You probably would have.
• 1:16:25
  I'm not gonna cap like I would have done that.
• 1:16:27
  OK. But here's the thing though.
• 1:16:28
  That box was in the middle of the street.
• 1:16:30
  I. Was in his front, like in front
• 1:16:32
  of his gate. Yeah, which is the street.
• 1:16:33
  I mean, if the post office don't have access to drop it at your
• 1:16:37
  front door, if it's the middle, and now that I think about it,
• 1:16:40
  now that I think about it, the picture, that picture was weird
• 1:16:44
  that he just got a picture of a box, right?
• 1:16:47
  Like if you are a delivery person and you're delivering
• 1:16:51
  package, the way he took that picture is not that of a
• 1:16:54
  delivery person, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:57
  Like the packet, like the picture would be so much more
• 1:16:58
  closer. Like you're standing right by
• 1:17:00
  the thing. This was really far.
• 1:17:02
  Do you know what I'm saying? That's true.
• 1:17:04
  I was going to be like, I don't know if Korea delivers their
• 1:17:07
  packages differently, But now that you say that, that makes
• 1:17:10
  sense. If you're taking a picture,
• 1:17:11
  you're you're. You know you're right.
• 1:17:13
  Like they're next to the item that they dropped off to prove
• 1:17:16
  that they have dropped it off at the location you gave them.
• 1:17:19
  Exactly. You're not trying to take a
• 1:17:20
  portrait. Like, no.
• 1:17:22
  You're not trying to be artistic, like, here's your
• 1:17:24
  package, right? You don't get a raise for that.
• 1:17:27
  Oh my God, they probably don't even get.
• 1:17:30
  You know what? I continue.
• 1:17:32
  Continue. I was in this place.
• 1:17:33
  I probably wouldn't think like 50 times about it, honestly, you
• 1:17:36
  know the picture I probably would have because that's
• 1:17:38
  abnormal. Anyway, so where were we?
• 1:17:40
  Yeah, So he goes to pick up this package and then like somebody
• 1:17:43
  sneaks into his house while he's picking up the said package.
• 1:17:47
  And then we cut straight to a situation that happens where the
• 1:17:52
  police have to close off an entire area because they found
• 1:17:55
  like 7 or 8 more bodies. And then cut again back to Nami.
• 1:18:00
  Waking up to her account being hacked where, excuse me, there
• 1:18:04
  are nasty posts about the company that she works for are
• 1:18:07
  made and how like she got a raise, but it wasn't like a good
• 1:18:11
  enough phrase and things like that.
• 1:18:12
  Basically a whole bunch of like, shit talking.
• 1:18:15
  And so she runs to her office and her boss and coworker do not
• 1:18:20
  believe that she was packed. They thought like she actually
• 1:18:23
  felt that way and so she was like fired on the spot.
• 1:18:27
  Oh, while. After getting slapped?
• 1:18:29
  Oh yeah, after getting slapped and pushed out.
• 1:18:31
  Yeah, physically. I'm like, do we always have to
• 1:18:34
  resort to like a physical right handling?
• 1:18:38
  Aka dramas. So here are my questions about
• 1:18:42
  this secret Instagram account. Why is her Instagram account
• 1:18:45
  secret it? I know you.
• 1:18:48
  Said earlier it was about her company, but I thought it was
• 1:18:50
  just a food review count in general.
• 1:18:53
  OK, that's what I thought too earlier.
• 1:18:55
  But then it just made it seem like it was about her company.
• 1:18:58
  No, I think it's just the food review in general.
• 1:19:01
  So she's working at a food company, I think they are, you
• 1:19:06
  know, she's going to review it as well.
• 1:19:07
  But it's one of those things where, like if she wants to
• 1:19:10
  give, I guess, honest reviews. She's going to say Anonymous,
• 1:19:16
  especially if she's popular, and that's not uncommon.
• 1:19:19
  So there's a lot of things where people, I mean you see the
• 1:19:23
  Internet now where it's like a fan page or like journalists,
• 1:19:26
  whether they don't work with like an actual company and they
• 1:19:30
  just want to say Anonymous because, you know, the Internet
• 1:19:33
  thing. Because you know, now we have
• 1:19:35
  this new thing of like docs and people, so so OK, so that was
• 1:19:40
  her private account to just review things honestly.
• 1:19:42
  I believe so because I don't think it was just her company.
• 1:19:45
  I think it was just. Other stuff in general, she
• 1:19:48
  would give like an honest like blog, like blogs, you know, like
• 1:19:51
  how they did like, yeah, no, that makes sense because like on
• 1:19:54
  the like they highlighted like they zoom into the part where
• 1:19:57
  like no sponsored ads or something like that or no
• 1:20:00
  responsive products. OK, that makes sense.
• 1:20:02
  I don't think she's like paid or.
• 1:20:03
  OK, OK, that makes sense. Well.
• 1:20:04
  She wasn't getting paid for, but.
• 1:20:05
  Either way, though, the way they handle that whole situation was
• 1:20:09
  just, like, really wrong and very unprofessional.
• 1:20:12
  It was. But then you have to remember
• 1:20:13
  they're a startup company, so it seemed like this deal was like
• 1:20:16
  a. Really Big deal.
• 1:20:18
  Deal like that. Probably would have like built
• 1:20:20
  that company, I don't know. But The thing is, they didn't
• 1:20:22
  even try to hear her out is what I'm saying is like, it's very
• 1:20:26
  common to get hacked though, so it's not like it's like a stupid
• 1:20:30
  idea or just an excuse. That is something I guess they
• 1:20:33
  could have like looked into later.
• 1:20:34
  But I understand why the boss was really furious, because she
• 1:20:38
  had just spoken to her. Yeah, give her a raise and
• 1:20:41
  stuff. And then again, that's probably
• 1:20:42
  where, like, they showed it really quick.
• 1:20:44
  But even if I had time to read it, that's where, like me not
• 1:20:47
  fully understanding Korean doesn't come in because I don't
• 1:20:49
  know what she actually said, you know?
• 1:20:51
  Yeah, like even from the English translation, what she had
• 1:20:55
  probably, or what he had posted, pretending to be heard could
• 1:20:59
  have been a lot harsher and worse than what we think it was
• 1:21:03
  or what was translated to us. That's true.
• 1:21:05
  All types of names, all types of bitches, like, maybe even like
• 1:21:11
  accusing them of using something that may be harmful to people.
• 1:21:14
  Like, we don't know even. And if we could read Korean like
• 1:21:19
  naturally. They showed it way too quickly
• 1:21:22
  in general. And it was a really long post
• 1:21:24
  too. It was like a pair, not even a
• 1:21:26
  pair. It was like a novel, OK?
• 1:21:29
  And also, the post had a very specific information that was
• 1:21:32
  only between her and her boss. That's probably why they were so
• 1:21:35
  convinced. Yeah, because remember, her boss
• 1:21:37
  told her to keep the raise a secret from the.
• 1:21:40
  Other, Right. Right.
• 1:21:42
  OK, Tang. So yeah, I guess in that
• 1:21:44
  situation I'd understand that it's not a hat and just.
• 1:21:46
  She's trying to wease a lot of it.
• 1:21:48
  Makes sense. Makes sense, Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  No, I'm sure there's a lot deeper than that, so.
• 1:21:52
  Yeah. So yeah, So, like, her whole
• 1:21:56
  life, just like, you know, well, fell apart before she even knew
• 1:22:00
  it. And so, yeah, she got fired.
• 1:22:02
  And all this time, John Young is watching, and now he knows her
• 1:22:07
  boss's name, where she works, her coworker's name, all that
• 1:22:10
  jazz. So her friend, so not me and her
• 1:22:13
  friend. They go to the police office.
• 1:22:15
  Or the police station. And basically when they go to
• 1:22:19
  write a complaint, the police officer was like, do you have
• 1:22:22
  proof that you were hacked? You need to come back with
• 1:22:25
  evidence so that we can prove that you were hacked and then
• 1:22:27
  take steps accordingly. And they were just like where
• 1:22:30
  are we going to get approved? Blah blah, blah, blah.
• 1:22:32
  So they're. So they left the police station
• 1:22:34
  and we are then cut to the scene where we find where we see that
• 1:22:40
  Nani's dad has like. Tape over him and we find out
• 1:22:42
  that he has been kidnapped. Yes.
• 1:22:45
  By June Young himself, Yes. Because after he picked up the
• 1:22:49
  package and he went back inside, he ambushed him and knocked him
• 1:22:52
  out and stuff. Which, I mean, I guess I get the
• 1:22:55
  police saying, you know, like they need evidence.
• 1:22:58
  I don't know. I don't really know how hard it
• 1:23:01
  is to find. You know, I don't know how hard
• 1:23:04
  it is to solve crimes like that. Or at the same time, it's just
• 1:23:07
  like people not wanting to do their jobs.
• 1:23:10
  I don't know how it's like in Korea, but you know, sometimes
• 1:23:12
  in America it's just like, you know, when they don't want to do
• 1:23:15
  their jobs or if it really is just that difficult.
• 1:23:18
  And then laws. Yeah, we don't know Okay, But
• 1:23:23
  then we're going to go on to meet with the next scene.
• 1:23:26
  So I picked up after that. So basically, like Nafi said, we
• 1:23:30
  cut to where Buju Young is in her father's house and he's all
• 1:23:35
  tied up. And like, I don't remember the
• 1:23:37
  whole monologue that he's giving him.
• 1:23:39
  Do you? Something along the lines of
• 1:23:42
  like I knew you were a creep, blah blah blah, don't hurt my
• 1:23:46
  daughter, stay away from my daughter.
• 1:23:48
  And then John Young was something tape over his mouth,
• 1:23:52
  though, Or was did he tell him that?
• 1:23:53
  And then he put. Then he put the tape over that.
• 1:23:57
  But then like John Young, he like, goes on to this monologue
• 1:23:59
  saying that like, oh, you should have been a better father.
• 1:24:02
  And then he's like, you were actually a better You're
• 1:24:04
  actually a pretty decent father. There's some fathers who don't
• 1:24:06
  even check up on their kids for like 7 years.
• 1:24:09
  Reference to himself exactly, which is interesting and we'll
• 1:24:12
  get into why that's interesting later.
• 1:24:14
  But then we catch up with E Nami and Jong UN Ju, the best friend
• 1:24:19
  at the cafe. Basically trying to brainstorm
• 1:24:21
  on how to catch the hacker. And then so they're like, hey, I
• 1:24:24
  know a person. Well Nami's like, hey, I know a
• 1:24:26
  person that maybe help, and it is the culprit himself who
• 1:24:30
  chewing on who shows up because they call him for help,
• 1:24:33
  basically to look into Nami's phone.
• 1:24:36
  And I was also very surprised he was basically straight up with
• 1:24:40
  them and just be like. Hey like This is why it
• 1:24:44
  happened. You have a spyware in your phone
• 1:24:47
  and like you could see everything and he even picked up
• 1:24:49
  the phone from his laptop to show like how the hacker would
• 1:24:52
  be able and you don't think that would be suspicious if like
• 1:24:55
  you're showing me through a example like you might be the
• 1:24:59
  hacker. Do you understand what I'm
• 1:25:01
  trying to say? I do, but I can also see why
• 1:25:03
  they don't find it suspicious, because remember he does.
• 1:25:06
  He's the quote UN quote digital sheriff, like, so he he deals
• 1:25:09
  with things like that at his company, OK, I guess.
• 1:25:12
  And remember, it's also the same company that their friend works
• 1:25:15
  at. So they kind of had like that,
• 1:25:17
  oh, we don't have a reason to, you know, not trust him, right.
• 1:25:20
  And then after all that, he basically takes, like, Nami
• 1:25:24
  outside to speak with her. I was going to bring up
• 1:25:27
  something and I forgot to write it down, basically, because when
• 1:25:30
  they first get there, the best friend shows, Oh no, the best
• 1:25:34
  friend tells not me about all the, like, bodies that they've
• 1:25:38
  been finding just in passing. Because it was on a news report.
• 1:25:41
  I don't know. I thought that was interesting,
• 1:25:42
  even though they didn't harp on it.
• 1:25:43
  But that just kind of shows, you know, like something's happening
• 1:25:45
  where a lot of people have been getting killed.
• 1:25:46
  Yeah, she had her own problems, though.
• 1:25:49
  Yeah. So then, like, I also thought
• 1:25:51
  that was interesting how, like, you know, you haven't known this
• 1:25:54
  guy for that long, but yeah, he was able to convince you to not
• 1:25:59
  trust your best friend and. In a 2 minute conversation.
• 1:26:03
  In a 2 minute, probably not even conversation that like you know
• 1:26:07
  this can't be placed. What did he say remotely?
• 1:26:11
  If someone physically had to have placed this in your phone,
• 1:26:14
  who could have had your phone? Who could have been jealous of
• 1:26:17
  you? I'm like, wait a minute, isn't?
• 1:26:18
  This supposed to be your best friend?
• 1:26:20
  I don't know how long they know each other, but it's like you're
• 1:26:22
  trusting a guy. You bet for two minutes over
• 1:26:25
  your supposedly drop dead gorgeous best friends.
• 1:26:30
  That's where I'm kind of like, whoa there.
• 1:26:32
  I don't know if I want you as a friend girl.
• 1:26:34
  The reason why he was able to convince her though was because
• 1:26:37
  she was the only one who knew about the secret account and
• 1:26:40
  like the whole like situation, right?
• 1:26:43
  But like, she didn't even give her a chance to be like, it's
• 1:26:45
  not me I. Feel like she was really.
• 1:26:47
  And she also randomly stayed over that one day.
• 1:26:50
  What wasn't random? She had a reason.
• 1:26:52
  But yeah, I I see what you're saying.
• 1:26:54
  Like there. She should have at least given
• 1:26:55
  her a second to, like, explain herself.
• 1:26:58
  Yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe that's also my
• 1:27:01
  naivety, but unless something happened to where I feel like
• 1:27:03
  because it's not even like they work together or anything or
• 1:27:06
  they're like insane career paths.
• 1:27:08
  I just thought it was wild to all of a sudden think now and
• 1:27:12
  you knew she ran the secret account for so long that she
• 1:27:16
  would betray you in a way. And I don't know if she told
• 1:27:19
  her, well, she must have about like the race and stuff, but she
• 1:27:21
  was giving her compliments. I don't know.
• 1:27:24
  It's one of those things where it's hard to trust people, but I
• 1:27:26
  feel like the way they were so close.
• 1:27:28
  It was interesting to me how quickly she was able to turn on
• 1:27:31
  her. I.
• 1:27:31
  Think what convinced her though is when he mentioned like like
• 1:27:35
  she was the only one who had access that night.
• 1:27:37
  Or like, can you think of anyone who had access to your phone at
• 1:27:40
  night? And like, she was over that
• 1:27:43
  night when everything happened. Not to mention they all, both of
• 1:27:46
  them woke up really late because her alarms were turned off.
• 1:27:49
  So he's like, yeah, do can you think of anyone who would, like,
• 1:27:51
  turn off your alarms or like, you know, purposely make you
• 1:27:54
  late, that type of thing? Yeah, I guess as you see it now
• 1:27:57
  like that, I see it now, but still I guess, like he just
• 1:28:00
  made. Sure, all of the boxes were
• 1:28:02
  checked. Honestly, is what he did, which
• 1:28:04
  I mean is great because he's been watching them.
• 1:28:06
  So he knew exactly what he would say.
• 1:28:08
  Yeah. But that's also his point of
• 1:28:10
  like, you know, that's what usually I feel like, well, I
• 1:28:14
  don't know murder victims, but like manipulators do that.
• 1:28:17
  You hear that in all stories where, like, they always make
• 1:28:19
  sure their victims are isolated to where when they realize the
• 1:28:23
  type of situation they're in, they can't call for help.
• 1:28:26
  So that was his plan all along. And then they do end up getting
• 1:28:28
  in a big fight and then like that creepy smile that he had
• 1:28:32
  when he saw her, like leaving the cafe crying.
• 1:28:34
  I know I feel bad for the friend.
• 1:28:36
  And here's the thing, though. Like she Nami wanted her to say
• 1:28:40
  like, just tell me you didn't do it.
• 1:28:41
  Just tell me you didn't do it. And the friend just kept not
• 1:28:44
  saying that. And I'm like, girl, just say it.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah, the part of her pride as well.
• 1:28:47
  Be like, I can't believe you're actually sitting here accusing
• 1:28:49
  me. It's like you shouldn't have to
• 1:28:52
  ask me if I did this or not. You should be able to trust me
• 1:28:54
  enough to not accuse me. So why do I need to say I didn't
• 1:28:57
  do it? Because even if I did, you're
• 1:28:58
  not gonna believe me. Exactly.
• 1:29:00
  But I'm glad she said. Yeah, I did it and then walked
• 1:29:02
  away. Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  It's like if you're already convinced the fact that you're
• 1:29:06
  the mere fact that you sat here for an hour.
• 1:29:09
  With the whole sour face. Did not talk to me.
• 1:29:11
  And then now are just bringing this up.
• 1:29:13
  Yeah, you're convinced that I did it.
• 1:29:15
  Yeah. Not gonna engage.
• 1:29:16
  Exactly. Nothing I say is going to change
• 1:29:18
  your mind. Yeah, you're already convinced I
• 1:29:20
  did it. So.
• 1:29:20
  Exactly. So then basically we jump to
• 1:29:23
  where the detectives are at the cell phone repair shop.
• 1:29:26
  Just like looking around. Says when they talked to the
• 1:29:28
  last victim's mother, they were able to Did they find out from
• 1:29:31
  her where it is, or did the father already know where it
• 1:29:35
  was? Like the police detective.
• 1:29:36
  He already knew where he was. He did.
• 1:29:39
  So they just end up actually going over there and then they
• 1:29:42
  run into regular policeman because I guess E Nami was
• 1:29:44
  trying to show them like where she got the phone fix and that's
• 1:29:47
  where they actually meet for the first time.
• 1:29:50
  And then through that they, you know, have a conversation.
• 1:29:52
  And basically the detective tells Nami about his son, which
• 1:29:57
  leads her to like, figure out like, who he is.
• 1:30:00
  Very quickly though, before like she ended up at the repair shop,
• 1:30:04
  her phone. Because one thing that they
• 1:30:06
  bring out throughout the movie is like her phone, like.
• 1:30:09
  Constantly dying and her trying to charge it up.
• 1:30:11
  So it had actually her phone actually died at that point and
• 1:30:13
  she just threw it across the the cafe and like she had like the
• 1:30:17
  epiphany like Oh my gosh, this all started happening ever since
• 1:30:20
  my phone got repaired. So that's when she went back to
• 1:30:22
  the repair shop and then she meets the detectives.
• 1:30:24
  Glad you said that, because I did not pick that up.
• 1:30:26
  Yeah, I did not realize. That, Yeah.
• 1:30:29
  So that's when she started connecting the dots.
• 1:30:31
  That makes so much sense. I thought she was just going
• 1:30:34
  there to try to prove to the policeman.
• 1:30:35
  Like this is where I got my phone fixed.
• 1:30:38
  To connect the dots I mean. Probably that too.
• 1:30:40
  Yeah, that was the starting point.
• 1:30:42
  That makes more sense though. It's like she's smart and then.
• 1:30:45
  She just does stupid things. It's nothing.
• 1:30:47
  More like you can be book smart but not street smart at the same
• 1:30:50
  time. I have met people like that.
• 1:30:52
  It's real. Yeah.
• 1:30:53
  No, it. It truly is real.
• 1:30:56
  But yes. And then basically, throughout
• 1:30:57
  the conversation, I paraphrased a lot.
• 1:30:59
  But they figured out that it was him that installed the spyware.
• 1:31:02
  And where he said that where he said that he worked was a lie
• 1:31:08
  and that he's been watching her the whole time through the
• 1:31:10
  phone, just like he told him or told her that he was doing like
• 1:31:15
  someone else was doing. But it was really him.
• 1:31:17
  Yeah. And then so like, basically they
• 1:31:20
  devised a plan to, I guess, confront him and use, like, Nami
• 1:31:26
  as like a source because as you see, like she texts him and asks
• 1:31:30
  him over for dinner. Again, my notes were a little
• 1:31:33
  spotty. And I think this is around the
• 1:31:35
  time, like, even though this was my part, I was like paying
• 1:31:37
  attention. But it was kind of late at
• 1:31:39
  night. So I was like, trying to make
• 1:31:40
  sure I stayed awake. Yeah.
• 1:31:43
  So then like, she gets ready. She's communicating with the
• 1:31:46
  police, as you can see. Like they devised a way to where
• 1:31:48
  like they're following her, but to make sure, like no one can
• 1:31:52
  detect that they are following her or that anyone else is
• 1:31:56
  there. And then this part confused me
• 1:31:59
  when I first watched. It it's the part where like he
• 1:32:02
  does actually, you know, show up and he's standing outside and
• 1:32:05
  he's getting ready I guess to go in and she calls him, right.
• 1:32:09
  Nami calls June 1st, yeah, to see where he was.
• 1:32:14
  But he doesn't answer because I think he realizes he's being
• 1:32:18
  followed. Because there's a point where
• 1:32:19
  like he cuts it off, I thought. And then, you know, he holds up
• 1:32:23
  the phone to pretend he's looking at it, but then he
• 1:32:24
  looks, he's the reflection to see that.
• 1:32:27
  These are behind him because I thought it was interesting, you
• 1:32:30
  know, like when they actually do that, have that confrontation
• 1:32:33
  and when he turns around, you would think the police officer
• 1:32:37
  would recognize his own son. That was his son.
• 1:32:41
  Exactly. That was kind of like the early
• 1:32:43
  pothole. Be like, wait a minute.
• 1:32:45
  Now you know something's really off.
• 1:32:46
  Yeah. Because then his partner starts
• 1:32:49
  talking to him. He's like, sorry, we thought
• 1:32:51
  you're someone else. And then you know he uses that.
• 1:32:53
  I don't know who that who you're looking for.
• 1:32:55
  How dare you harass like a normal citizen.
• 1:32:58
  I should record you right now and things like that.
• 1:33:01
  And it's like, wait. And then I got confused at when
• 1:33:04
  I first watched this. I'm like but that is that there
• 1:33:07
  was June Young late fire. All he did was fix his hair and
• 1:33:21
  take off his glasses. Why are you guys pretending he's
• 1:33:10
  not him? I don't think he put on This is
• 1:33:12
  a Game of Thrones Argo Stark where he put on a different
• 1:33:15
  mask. He's a completely different
• 1:33:17
  person. And then when y'all leave, he
• 1:33:19
  takes off the. Do we ever see like a childhood
• 1:33:25
  photo of Ojiyang? No.
• 1:33:28
  Of him wearing glasses. If I still we don't even know if
• 1:33:31
  he, the real son even wears. Right.
• 1:33:34
  But I'm just saying the only thing so far that he changed
• 1:33:36
  about his appearance, it was like cut his hair a little bit
• 1:33:39
  and like take off his glasses, Yeah, which doesn't obviously,
• 1:33:43
  if you know, a person, minor things like that doesn't change.
• 1:33:46
  Like their whole thing this. Is your child you your child?
• 1:33:49
  You would recognize their face anywhere, despite what kind of
• 1:33:52
  clothing they're wearing. Exactly.
• 1:33:53
  Or wig. Or whatever.
• 1:33:55
  Yes, like you, you know what your child looks like.
• 1:33:59
  Yeah, if you've been around them.
• 1:34:01
  That's why I was confused on the age thing.
• 1:34:02
  Like, I want to know when he actually left because, I mean,
• 1:34:05
  you can look different from a child to a grown person.
• 1:34:07
  But I feel like it wasn't that significant of a difference to
• 1:34:10
  where he would change that drastically, Like say if he
• 1:34:13
  like, left at 5:00 and then he found them again at 30 and
• 1:34:15
  things like that. So I would understand if you
• 1:34:19
  don't recognize him, but if he was like around a teenager or
• 1:34:22
  younger, 20s and seven years, you, I don't really.
• 1:34:26
  Say that big of a difference. Yeah.
• 1:34:28
  And your face that much, whether you like, gain weight, lose
• 1:34:31
  weight, things like that, unless you have like plastic surgery or
• 1:34:33
  something. But yeah, so then that happens.
• 1:34:37
  And the end of the way, he doesn't go into the house.
• 1:34:39
  And then they meet up with Nami and they're like, you know, they
• 1:34:43
  thought the plan had failed the whole time.
• 1:34:45
  But like, if they had known who they were looking for, it worked
• 1:34:48
  out perfectly. So it did work, but it's like
• 1:34:51
  confusion that will figure out later on.
• 1:34:55
  And they're like, I wonder why. Like he said he was at the front
• 1:34:58
  of the house, you know, we texted and then he all of a
• 1:35:00
  sudden he's like something came up or he couldn't come.
• 1:35:05
  Just a whole confusion through all of them.
• 1:35:06
  They basically think they missed Judy on that they have to buy us
• 1:35:09
  another plan to try to catch him.
• 1:35:11
  But then I don't know if she said she didn't feel safe to be
• 1:35:16
  there because they end up taking her to her father's house.
• 1:35:18
  I don't remember why they end up taking her.
• 1:35:21
  He was house. I think they told her that she
• 1:35:25
  needed to go somewhere in case like he comes back.
• 1:35:29
  Yeah. So just for like, safety
• 1:35:31
  measures, is there anyone that you can go to thinks of her best
• 1:35:33
  friend and she's like, now that's dead, so she goes to her
• 1:35:38
  dad's house, he switches phones right before they go?
• 1:35:40
  Yeah, yeah, So they were on the rooftop discussing it.
• 1:35:44
  And she's like, don't worry, I don't have my phone, he can't
• 1:35:46
  hear me, blah, blah blah. And then she's like, oh, I have
• 1:35:49
  another phone. I'll use that to come in,
• 1:35:50
  communicate with you guys. And so they're like, OK, fine,
• 1:35:54
  they devised their plan and like, that's when they, like,
• 1:35:57
  dropped her off. That's why I was going to
• 1:35:58
  confuse if the spyware he planted was physical or not.
• 1:36:04
  But there is a point where she downloads another link, right?
• 1:36:07
  Does she think it was from her father now that you said that
• 1:36:10
  pointed that out earlier because he was able?
• 1:36:12
  She downloads another link. See, that's what I thought.
• 1:36:14
  I thought she downloaded another link, but this whole time I
• 1:36:17
  thought the spyware was in the chip because when she transfers
• 1:36:20
  phones he was still able to hack the new.
• 1:36:22
  So I didn't think you'd be able to do that unless the spyware
• 1:36:26
  was in the SIM card itself, But another part of me feels like I
• 1:36:31
  had missed something. You know there could be
• 1:36:32
  different versions of that Same thing of what?
• 1:36:35
  The. Act so it is possible.
• 1:36:37
  It is possible that for her since he had access to her SIM
• 1:36:41
  card, he put it directly in it and then with the dad he just
• 1:36:44
  sent a link. So it is possible I'm still
• 1:36:46
  confusing the whole thing and it's like I feel like even if I
• 1:36:48
  watch this another third time, I still wouldn't understand it.
• 1:36:51
  Just the tech. Technology part of it, yeah, but
• 1:36:54
  yes. And then she thinks, you know,
• 1:36:56
  her father is like sleeping in the bed because then I thought
• 1:37:00
  he starts texting her, I put in my nose.
• 1:37:02
  Like he starts texting her and messaging her.
• 1:37:04
  And then when like when he starts doing stuff in her phone,
• 1:37:08
  like when she, I think he either recorded, not recorded, He had
• 1:37:13
  shown herself on the phone and then she started typing stuff
• 1:37:18
  in, he was deleting it. So that's how she knew like he
• 1:37:20
  was in this phone as well because that was causes her to
• 1:37:23
  run into her father's room and realize like it was a bunch of
• 1:37:26
  pills to make it look like he was sleeping.
• 1:37:27
  He wasn't actually there. So I'd say that.
• 1:37:29
  Again, when did this happen? When she got to her father's
• 1:37:33
  house. She went to his room and it
• 1:37:36
  looked like, you know, you know, like an old shows where they put
• 1:37:38
  pillows together to make it look like someone's sleeping with the
• 1:37:41
  covers over the head. Yeah.
• 1:37:42
  So she went into, I guess, what her room was like.
• 1:37:45
  It must have been like a childhood house.
• 1:37:48
  Yeah. And then that's where I was.
• 1:37:49
  Like once you said it was a app. I'm like, I feel like someone or
• 1:37:53
  something texted her to redownload the app because then
• 1:37:57
  Ooh Ju Young starts actually communicating with her and I
• 1:38:01
  forgot what he had said to make her realize.
• 1:38:06
  So she turned on her phone. She turned on her phone.
• 1:38:10
  OK, yeah, yeah, She turned on her phone.
• 1:38:13
  And. He texts her.
• 1:38:15
  He's like, oh, I see you got a new phone.
• 1:38:17
  Me too. Me too.
• 1:38:19
  And he sends her his new number and he was like, call me or text
• 1:38:23
  me or something. And that is when she like,
• 1:38:25
  freaked out. Like, for sure he starts
• 1:38:27
  manipulating the phone. Like I said, he turned it around
• 1:38:30
  and she was like a video of herself and then when she was
• 1:38:33
  going to start calling the police people, he was deleting
• 1:38:35
  it and things like that. That's why I made her run into
• 1:38:38
  the father's room to try to alert him.
• 1:38:41
  And then she realized he's not actually in there, so.
• 1:38:44
  Yeah, And then when she comes back to the living room, he
• 1:38:47
  peeps out. What?
• 1:38:47
  This was creepy. He peeps out with his little
• 1:38:49
  phone. So he's, he's playing a clip of
• 1:38:51
  them in the car. So at first she only hears her
• 1:38:53
  father's voice and she's like, dad, are you in here?
• 1:38:56
  And then when she runs into the living room, that's what he,
• 1:38:59
  like slowly creep. And I thought it was like, it
• 1:39:02
  was like a robot type thing, like an automated like thing
• 1:39:05
  that he used to put the phone on to lift it up until he popped
• 1:39:08
  up. And I was like, Oh no, he's
• 1:39:10
  still in the house. I forgot that's where he went to
• 1:39:12
  hide. Was in her house.
• 1:39:14
  Yeah, so all that he was playing, the recording of them
• 1:39:17
  talking in the car, basically warning her about him.
• 1:39:20
  And it's like, oh, you know, you should listen to your father.
• 1:39:23
  I am not. Good news, yeah.
• 1:39:26
  And basically taunting her like the whole time basically says
• 1:39:30
  like he'll play a game, I think, with her.
• 1:39:32
  Like, if someone's able to contact her within the next 24
• 1:39:36
  hours, then he'll let her live, even though we know that's not
• 1:39:39
  true. And of course, he cut off all
• 1:39:41
  the ties to make sure that wasn't true.
• 1:39:44
  Yeah. And then he also makes her text
• 1:39:46
  the detectives to tell them like, everything's okay, don't
• 1:39:48
  check up with me. I'll contact you in the morning
• 1:39:50
  so they don't get suspicious. And then at the same time that
• 1:39:52
  is happening, that's when we find out one of the really big
• 1:39:55
  plots was, which we were kind of already into, that that the
• 1:39:57
  detectives, when they're heading back to the station, they get a
• 1:40:00
  phone call from someone that works there.
• 1:40:02
  And it must be someone with that.
• 1:40:05
  You said they work with the missing people's.
• 1:40:08
  Unit okay so must have one of their colleagues.
• 1:40:10
  So basically he had told him that he had ran ADNA test on
• 1:40:16
  Ujiman to see if anyone comes up as missing, I guess to put his
• 1:40:21
  DNA in the system. But then it ended up matching
• 1:40:23
  with an unidentified body that they had found in the reserve a
• 1:40:27
  year ago. So that's when they're like,
• 1:40:30
  wait, because his partner first told him, They're like, they're
• 1:40:32
  saying that they found your son, but it's it's not what you think
• 1:40:35
  it is. And they're like, where is he?
• 1:40:37
  Is he you? Know some Sir, is it with his
• 1:40:39
  mother? Does she put him like and I take
• 1:40:40
  her hideout And then after that is when they turn around and go
• 1:40:45
  to back to Nami's house because I don't know if he had saw the
• 1:40:49
  text. We saw the phone on the floor of
• 1:40:52
  her texting him, but we don't know if he actually had saw it
• 1:40:55
  because he was too busy on the phone talking to the person as a
• 1:40:59
  detective. So then a little bit later on
• 1:41:01
  when he's do, Young is still talking to Nami.
• 1:41:04
  He like, goes to the bathroom for some odd reason and then,
• 1:41:07
  like she follows him and then realizes that her father is
• 1:41:10
  actually in there, tied up in the bathtub.
• 1:41:12
  Before, before he goes there, she has like, this little paper
• 1:41:16
  in her hand and like, for some reason when they're like
• 1:41:19
  talking, she's like frustrated and she throws his paper on the
• 1:41:22
  ground. Yeah, that paper becomes
• 1:41:23
  important a little because I couldn't remember how he found
• 1:41:26
  the paper or not. Yeah, yeah, she goes it at him
• 1:41:30
  because I I think she, you know, she was secretly trying to get
• 1:41:32
  the knife like out of her back pocket.
• 1:41:35
  But I think he knew she had it there.
• 1:41:37
  So I don't know if she did that because he was telling her like
• 1:41:40
  don't bother trying to stab me with the knife.
• 1:41:42
  I know you have hiding back there, but yes.
• 1:41:45
  And then we get to the scene in the bathroom and he, you know,
• 1:41:49
  makes her tie herself up. And I this I didn't.
• 1:41:54
  This is what happens when I don't go into detail with my
• 1:41:56
  notes because I didn't write down what he said to her.
• 1:41:59
  But he basically starts like, you know, turning on the water.
• 1:42:02
  I don't know if she had said something to like make him mad
• 1:42:05
  or he was just doing it for fun. Like, he listened to me, but I'm
• 1:42:08
  not going to listen to you anyway.
• 1:42:10
  And then, you know, if she starts cussing him out, which
• 1:42:13
  shocked me, I was like, oh damn, I know she.
• 1:42:16
  Had a math, so they had like an exchange of words.
• 1:42:18
  I don't remember what the words were, but like, she tells him,
• 1:42:22
  like, hey, I kept my side of the bargain.
• 1:42:25
  Like I kept my word. You should keep your word too.
• 1:42:27
  And so he's like, yeah, I am keeping my word.
• 1:42:30
  Proceeds to turn on faucet and then then she starts crying and
• 1:42:33
  like basically grubbling, telling him to stop.
• 1:42:36
  And so he stops eventually. When she's like, I'm sorry, she
• 1:42:39
  cuts him out first. Yeah, But then she apologizes
• 1:42:42
  and she's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I apologize.
• 1:42:44
  And then, like, he turns it off and then she goes, yeah,
• 1:42:47
  basically when you finish your part, I'm trying to figure out
• 1:42:51
  where to leave off on that because I don't remember.
• 1:42:54
  Also, after she's apologizing, what happened?
• 1:42:56
  Because, you know, he just ends up putting her in there anyway
• 1:42:59
  and then. Oh, no, no, yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:01
  So she apologizes and she's like, I'll do anything you want
• 1:43:04
  me to do. And he's like, oh, anything.
• 1:43:07
  And she's like, yes, I'll do anything.
• 1:43:09
  And then he goes this sadistic and he goes, he goes, OK, why
• 1:43:15
  don't you kill him? And then he just drops her into
• 1:43:18
  the the tub and because of her weight.
• 1:43:21
  So it's either like she survives or the dad survives because like
• 1:43:24
  there's no none of them survive because he leaves the faucet on.
• 1:43:28
  She's also, you know. Right.
• 1:43:30
  But like it was kind of like a situation if the faucet was not
• 1:43:33
  on, like. Only one of them would be able
• 1:43:35
  to, like, come up, but because he left the faucet on, like her
• 1:43:39
  body weight was crushing him down and then eventually she
• 1:43:41
  also was submerged into the water.
• 1:43:43
  So honestly, I feel like either way, I use for both of them to
• 1:43:46
  die. Exactly.
• 1:43:47
  Yeah. Because I'm sure she wouldn't
• 1:43:49
  have sacrificed herself if she ended up, you know, killing the
• 1:43:52
  father along. So yeah, so then he goes back
• 1:43:55
  into the living room, basically just leaving in the them in
• 1:43:58
  there to meet their demise and then ends up picking up the note
• 1:44:05
  that mommy threw at him. And then he opens it up and then
• 1:44:08
  he reads where it said call call them, don't text them.
• 1:44:13
  So then like he realized his mistakes too quick because he
• 1:44:16
  made her text. The police officers like don't
• 1:44:18
  check up on me and when they got a text they knew something was
• 1:44:21
  wrong because she's supposed to call them instead.
• 1:44:24
  But then they show up I. Don't know if we mentioned this,
• 1:44:26
  but like when they were dropping her off like in front of the
• 1:44:29
  dad's house, that's when she like stuck up the little note.
• 1:44:33
  That said, no text calls only like that part.
• 1:44:36
  They didn't. They didn't.
• 1:44:37
  They didn't say any of that. They just add like a visual.
• 1:44:40
  That's why she wrote it. So they wouldn't physically say
• 1:44:42
  it in case he was listening. Yeah, I didn't mention that
• 1:44:45
  because I forgot it's. Not that we missed it that I
• 1:44:49
  forgot so, but yes, the feast has a point.
• 1:44:52
  That's why I was written on the note in the 1st place when she
• 1:44:55
  got dropped off and so they knew wasn't verbally exchanged.
• 1:44:59
  It was on the note the whole time and she just kept the note,
• 1:45:02
  so I'm surprised she didn't give it to them.
• 1:45:04
  So they will remember, but I mean, I guess they're supposed
• 1:45:06
  to be police and remember something that important.
• 1:45:09
  You know, it was just a ploy to move the story a lot, I guess.
• 1:45:12
  So like basically when they show up, they confront him.
• 1:45:15
  The partner, Kim Jung Ho goes and runs and looks for them and
• 1:45:19
  then founds them in the bathroom and then he pulls them out of
• 1:45:22
  the bathtub and basically giving her father like CPR to
• 1:45:25
  resuscitate him because I'm assuming at that point he it's
• 1:45:29
  either pass out or stop breathing.
• 1:45:31
  I don't know how long he was under God.
• 1:45:33
  I think it was assumed he was dead.
• 1:45:36
  And then Ujiman basically confronts, I call him now the
• 1:45:40
  fake you young and speeding him up, asking him where his son is.
• 1:45:45
  And then that's where he basically confessed that he had
• 1:45:47
  met the son a year ago. So the body they found was his
• 1:45:50
  son. So he was impersonating his son
• 1:45:53
  this whole time? Yeah.
• 1:45:55
  That's why he didn't recognize him when they first confronted
• 1:45:57
  on the street. Because I'm not your son and.
• 1:46:02
  This is one thing that they did really good with the detail, the
• 1:46:04
  psychopath, when they wrote his character, Remember how I was
• 1:46:07
  like, oh, because of like they planted a plum tree and
• 1:46:10
  everything? Yeah, he knew that information.
• 1:46:12
  So he just played the part really well because like we
• 1:46:15
  said, I don't know if you also mentioned this in part one, but
• 1:46:18
  because all of his victims, he writes down handwritten notes
• 1:46:22
  about like their traits and stuff like whole.
• 1:46:24
  And he'll write down questions like, oh, this is the best
• 1:46:27
  friend, da, da, da. They go and so and so and then
• 1:46:30
  he'll even write down questions like should I do this to them?
• 1:46:33
  Should I torture them in this way?
• 1:46:34
  So the information that he brought over to Nami's house was
• 1:46:38
  about his son that the detective found in the back and it had his
• 1:46:42
  name like victim so and so and his name.
• 1:46:46
  Making a Murderer, like doesn't have a relationship with his
• 1:46:49
  father left seven years ago. Mother is sick.
• 1:46:52
  Should I take his identity and become him?
• 1:46:56
  And then he also finds another phone where we didn't mention
• 1:46:59
  earlier where he likes to take pictures of his victims after
• 1:47:02
  they've passed. So the screensaver, literally
• 1:47:05
  when the phone comes up is up, his son gone.
• 1:47:08
  There's no life in those eyes. You see one eye and then half of
• 1:47:11
  his waters and or half of his face is in water.
• 1:47:13
  Excuse me. And you, you can tell like it
• 1:47:16
  was freshly taken after the life was out of him.
• 1:47:19
  Yeah. And then that's when all hell
• 1:47:20
  breaks loose. I mean, I know he was already
• 1:47:22
  beating him up, but then, like, he takes out his gun
• 1:47:24
  contemplating of whether he should kill him or not.
• 1:47:26
  But then something happens to where like Nami kind of starts
• 1:47:30
  like getting consciousness and she looks over and sees her
• 1:47:33
  father getting CPR, wondering if he's going to live or not.
• 1:47:36
  And then it's just like all in slow motion, which I thought
• 1:47:38
  this part was pretty good too, just to show like her snapping
• 1:47:40
  and then like she looks over because she can see where he's
• 1:47:43
  on the floor like all bloody and stuff and being beat up and.
• 1:47:46
  I think he stopped moving at one point, like his head.
• 1:47:49
  Just, you know, I think he was laughing and then like, he just
• 1:47:52
  happened to look up, look at her and he smiled at her and that's
• 1:47:54
  when she was like, oh, enough is enough and so.
• 1:47:58
  He looked at her, yeah, He looked up at her and he was
• 1:48:00
  like, what? Like, he just mouthed it.
• 1:48:02
  But yeah, to do so she did so think that was the
• 1:48:07
  personalification of, oh, you don't think I'm going to do
• 1:48:10
  anything? Watch this, gonna F around and
• 1:48:13
  find out it's so. That was the first time I saw
• 1:48:16
  fear in that boy's eyes. Like, exactly.
• 1:48:19
  So when the rightfully so partner is giving CPR, I don't
• 1:48:23
  think they show when she takes it, but she ends taking his gun
• 1:48:27
  slowly, walks over there and you know, did the deed that the
• 1:48:30
  father couldn't, Officer couldn't or couldn't.
• 1:48:33
  Why, I'm not sure. But yeah, it just took two shots
• 1:48:37
  to the stomach. He didn't die, though.
• 1:48:38
  He didn't die because the next scene we go to, the news
• 1:48:41
  reports, you know, kind of like how the beginning, it's like a
• 1:48:44
  full circle of like showing everyone.
• 1:48:46
  Before before the news reports. The second, like she shoots him.
• 1:48:50
  Um, her dad wakes up, Yeah. Wakes up and comes back to life.
• 1:48:54
  Goes back over there and then, like, you know, hugs him and all
• 1:48:57
  that, Yeah, which is great. So he didn't end up dying.
• 1:48:59
  Yeah, or else she would have been charged with murder.
• 1:49:01
  Like, again, I don't know how the laws work over there.
• 1:49:03
  Well actually I don't know if she would because the officer
• 1:49:05
  took the gun from her so he would have made it seem like he
• 1:49:08
  did it instead of her. I don't know how the law works
• 1:49:10
  so I don't know how the self. Defense laws.
• 1:49:12
  So that was like an actual scene.
• 1:49:14
  Like he took the, I don't know how their walls work, if she
• 1:49:18
  would have even gotten, yeah, I don't know what their
• 1:49:21
  self-defense laws are like. So I can't comment on that
• 1:49:24
  because I also thought that was interesting, but that might be
• 1:49:27
  something in the law that I'm unaware of.
• 1:49:29
  Yeah, Yeah. So what I was saying earlier was
• 1:49:32
  like we go back into like a full circle basically like at the
• 1:49:35
  beginning scene of everyone, like just regular people on
• 1:49:38
  their phones going up and down the subway, taking the bus,
• 1:49:40
  things like that. And then they're reporting on,
• 1:49:44
  you know, the incident that happened and you don't, you
• 1:49:46
  know, they don't usually give out names.
• 1:49:48
  I think after every crime they always label like victim A or
• 1:49:51
  victim B or things like that, talking about the situation.
• 1:49:55
  And yes, we find out that Fake Junior is he's recovering, he
• 1:49:59
  hasn't woken up yet. But for I also thought it was
• 1:50:02
  interesting because he's basically an unidentified man.
• 1:50:06
  There's like no records of him. I don't know if he knew that.
• 1:50:08
  They didn't know who he was and it would be.
• 1:50:10
  He wasn't registered at. Birth.
• 1:50:12
  Yeah. Wait, how did he live?
• 1:50:14
  How did they get away with that, though?
• 1:50:17
  I don't because I don't think he was supposed to be like a
• 1:50:20
  foreigner. I'm pretty sure he was supposed
• 1:50:23
  to be like a born and raised Korean man.
• 1:50:26
  I don't know. I thought that car was
• 1:50:27
  interesting. So, like, we don't actually ever
• 1:50:29
  find out who he is or his name anything.
• 1:50:32
  He's just an unidentified man who apparently was just killing
• 1:50:35
  for fun. And they said they'll try to
• 1:50:37
  look more into it when he actually wakes up, I guess maybe
• 1:50:39
  to question him. But yeah.
• 1:50:42
  And then basically the very last scene is not me.
• 1:50:46
  At the cafe. Well, you see a bunch of, like,
• 1:50:48
  texts and like people talk about the situation going back and
• 1:50:51
  forth. And there's one where it talks
• 1:50:52
  about I forgot her fake Instagram, like, screen name.
• 1:50:55
  But they're like, I'm in the cafe where so and so works and
• 1:50:58
  they're like, what? I don't believe you.
• 1:51:00
  And you know, he goes take a picture, show proof for his
• 1:51:03
  friend. And then like Nami, like is
• 1:51:05
  laughing with her father and her best friend.
• 1:51:07
  So I guess they made-up. And then like she gets this
• 1:51:10
  weird look in her face and looks in the direction of the camera,
• 1:51:12
  like she knew someone was going to take a picture of her.
• 1:51:15
  And then that's where the movie ends.
• 1:51:17
  Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, I mean, happy kind of story, I guess.
• 1:51:23
  You know, he was caught. He survived.
• 1:51:26
  No, he's not in jail for shooting him.
• 1:51:29
  Don't know what happened to the detective or his wife because
• 1:51:33
  obviously he would have to tell her her son is dead and she is
• 1:51:37
  already sick. So I wonder how that work.
• 1:51:40
  We don't know if they had a funeral for him.
• 1:51:42
  I'm sure they did, but. The fact that she was sending
• 1:51:46
  him like punch on and everything to like all the different
• 1:51:50
  addresses that he sent. Impersonating the son is just,
• 1:51:53
  well, it's sad but at the same time like she thought that was
• 1:51:57
  her child so she's going to help her child in any way to make
• 1:52:01
  sure he survives. But and that's probably why the
• 1:52:04
  report earlier on in the movie that you talked about of him
• 1:52:07
  saying, you know for fraud, he filed police report for like
• 1:52:11
  money being taken. I was caught for fraud because
• 1:52:14
  it was the fake too young when. He was torturing him.
• 1:52:17
  She took to money. Yeah, since he was a victim.
• 1:52:20
  That's how he gets them first. You know, hacks their stuff,
• 1:52:23
  goes into, like, their personal lives.
• 1:52:25
  I wonder how he killed him. Like what lured him to, like, be
• 1:52:29
  led, especially out there? Like, was he killing them out
• 1:52:33
  there or was he killing them somewhere else and then dragging
• 1:52:35
  their bodies out there? I don't know.
• 1:52:38
  Again, a lot of questions. I'm sure it's not important,
• 1:52:41
  right? I'm just curious.
• 1:52:43
  I just wish they went into the back story between the
• 1:52:46
  investigator and his son a little bit more.
• 1:52:49
  And then just like basically a quick like how did they meet?
• 1:52:52
  Like how did the impersonator and the sun meet?
• 1:52:55
  You know, because the way they make the scene, the way they
• 1:52:58
  make the sun scene in the movie is that he's not somebody.
• 1:53:02
  That can kill somebody. That's another thing too.
• 1:53:04
  It was crazy to me from the beginning when he had found the
• 1:53:08
  plant, like the palm tree that they planted, that he
• 1:53:11
  automatically assumed that he was the killer.
• 1:53:14
  So that's why I wanna know what happened to where he, his son
• 1:53:18
  was the killer. Like, he didn't hesitate to
• 1:53:20
  think his son was the killer. He didn't try to.
• 1:53:22
  He didn't like, offend or anything.
• 1:53:24
  He automatically thought it was him.
• 1:53:26
  So it's like, what happened? Why would you?
• 1:53:28
  Why would a parent automatically think their son was capable of
• 1:53:32
  that? Because the fake Julio had to
• 1:53:34
  tell him that his son couldn't hurt a fly.
• 1:53:37
  So why do you think he was capable of murder?
• 1:53:40
  Because yeah. Yeah, they're like, like I said,
• 1:53:44
  more emphasis on that back story I think would have made a little
• 1:53:48
  more sense as far as like the plot is concerned.
• 1:53:51
  Yeah, yeah. Overall, though, I think the
• 1:53:54
  message has been sent to loud and clear.
• 1:53:57
  Be careful of your technology. Be careful of your phone.
• 1:54:00
  Do not drink if you're gonna drink in public.
• 1:54:02
  Hello. Make sure you have all your
• 1:54:04
  things with you. I'm surprised you do not lose
• 1:54:05
  your phone. Right.
• 1:54:09
  Yeah, and like, she was just traveling back by herself.
• 1:54:12
  But I think that's very normal for like people to travel back
• 1:54:14
  by themselves and. Especially if it's like on a bus
• 1:54:17
  Korea. And like I I'll applaud her for
• 1:54:20
  not like having a car and doing, like, anything stupid like drunk
• 1:54:22
  driving. Yeah, stupid reports I see of
• 1:54:25
  like Francis K, pop idols who just be out drinking and then
• 1:54:28
  they decide to drunk drive. It's like, no, take a look.
• 1:54:31
  Answer call somebody. Right.
• 1:54:33
  Your transportation system is pretty good there.
• 1:54:36
  You can you have options or because only have places like
• 1:54:40
  arcade places where it's basically 24 hours, like don't
• 1:54:44
  be ashamed to go rent out like a one of those gaming places and
• 1:54:48
  just take a quick nap. I would do that.
• 1:54:51
  Or you can go to those like sauna places too.
• 1:54:53
  Or like even the comic book. Again, there's just so many
• 1:54:56
  options. There's.
• 1:54:57
  Options. Yeah, there's no need to jump
• 1:55:00
  drag. There's a saying of Walk of
• 1:55:02
  Shame like there is here, but just take the walk of shame
• 1:55:05
  because you're saving not only your life, but someone else's.
• 1:55:09
  Others. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:55:13
  And like one other thing that kind of like, I wish we knew
• 1:55:15
  more of is like, I guess we kind of touched on this, but like the
• 1:55:19
  psycho as a person, I want to know who he was.
• 1:55:23
  Like his background story? Like, where did he come from?
• 1:55:26
  Weird. Like, weird.
• 1:55:28
  Random. Why?
• 1:55:28
  How did he pick his people other than like their phone?
• 1:55:31
  You know? Like, why does he choose to go?
• 1:55:33
  Because there's no way out of all these years, he only picked
• 1:55:36
  eight people. Like, you know, that doesn't
• 1:55:38
  make sense. I think this was part of like,
• 1:55:40
  he's just a psychopath of it's just random and he just does
• 1:55:44
  this for fun. I think they were just trying to
• 1:55:46
  give the impression like he doesn't really truly have a
• 1:55:48
  motive except for boredom. I also wanted to know how he
• 1:55:51
  afforded places because did they pay him to have their phone
• 1:55:56
  fixed? No, because I think every time
• 1:55:58
  they're like, oh, like someone dropped it off and they fixed it
• 1:56:01
  for free. So how is he affording certain
• 1:56:04
  stuff? Maybe he does have actual
• 1:56:06
  customers, but like, these are the special ones, you know?
• 1:56:09
  I know, maybe. I don't know.
• 1:56:11
  Which again goes back to how do you pick your people if all of
• 1:56:14
  these people are coming to get their phones fixed like he had a
• 1:56:16
  job. And then again, if he did have a
• 1:56:18
  job, how would he have gotten a job personating as well?
• 1:56:23
  Did he steal like his identifications and all that?
• 1:56:26
  Like Social Security numbers, ID cards?
• 1:56:28
  He. Probably did.
• 1:56:30
  He probably did like his victims.
• 1:56:32
  He probably bled them dry before you know.
• 1:56:34
  They also want to know, like, how who he was impersonating
• 1:56:38
  before he decided to impersonate Julian, You know, to survive.
• 1:56:48
  Maybe he was just himself, you know?
• 1:56:42
  Yeah, he's obviously been doing this for a very long time and
• 1:56:45
  Julian was now killed a year ago.
• 1:56:50
  Well, if he was just observed then they would be able to
• 1:56:53
  identify him at the hospital without having to wait for him
• 1:56:55
  to wake up. That's true.
• 1:56:57
  I don't know. If they ever decide to do like a
• 1:56:59
  Part 2 of this movie, I would like that to be the emphasis.
• 1:57:02
  I mean, like I said earlier, the book that it's, you know, based
• 1:57:07
  off of, they did a part one and two in the Japanese film.
• 1:57:11
  So I don't know if they're going to do a Part 2 for this, but I
• 1:57:13
  wouldn't be surprised if they don't.
• 1:57:14
  Yeah, I think this is a good excuse me one time watch.
• 1:57:17
  Probably wouldn't want to watch it again just because of, like,
• 1:57:20
  all the potholes and everything. Yeah, I only had to watch it
• 1:57:23
  again for this, so yeah. Overall, I'd rate this like a
• 1:57:26
  four out of five. It kept me glued, like I was
• 1:57:29
  paying attention. OK.
• 1:57:30
  At first you said four and I was like, don't we usually do out of
• 1:57:32
  10? So that would be like 8 out of
• 1:57:34
  10. OK, yeah, I'd give it an 8 out
• 1:57:36
  of 10. No, actually I bumped that to
• 1:57:38
  88.5 out of 10 just because I did learn quite a few things.
• 1:57:42
  OK, I think I would give this either A7 or 7.5 out of 10.
• 1:57:47
  I think the plot was just bothered me a little bit more
• 1:57:49
  than it needed to. Too many, yeah.
• 1:57:51
  I just, I really just wanted to know what happened between the
• 1:57:54
  father and the son, and I feel like that would have made some
• 1:57:56
  sense of why he suspected him to be the killer.
• 1:57:59
  That was one that was just the main thing that bothered me.
• 1:58:02
  Not like why they were estranged or anything, just why you would
• 1:58:05
  automatically assume assume. Your child, is it?
• 1:58:09
  I think it would have been better though if like the main
• 1:58:11
  storyline was the detective. Stiff storyline and nammies
• 1:58:15
  would like secondary because that would have been, yeah, that
• 1:58:19
  would have made way more sense and more of like a cohesive like
• 1:58:22
  story too. Yeah.
• 1:58:23
  And I don't know if that was because we're trying to show
• 1:58:26
  like the lack of awareness we have with our technology, maybe
• 1:58:31
  to focus more on her story, but I do see what you mean.
• 1:58:34
  It would have been interesting if it was which.
• 1:58:36
  Yeah, but I also think if they did, so I guess it's a double
• 1:58:39
  edged sword, like if they did it.
• 1:58:41
  Like that. Then I guess maybe we wouldn't
• 1:58:43
  have reflected as much as like, Oh my gosh, they could
• 1:58:46
  technically happen to us. Whereas if it was like the
• 1:58:49
  detective story, it's like something that has already
• 1:58:51
  happened. It's like, oh, this is just
• 1:58:53
  another case. But like with her, we kind of
• 1:58:55
  lived every part of it with her, you know, I'm still going to
• 1:58:58
  give it 7.5 out of 10 I think also just because both parts,
• 1:59:03
  because it's like 2 hours. I was sorry, not lose interest,
• 1:59:06
  but I was just like. I think they could have better
• 1:59:08
  used those two hours and they also cut it off like very
• 1:59:12
  abruptly, like after he had kidnapped them and stuff to
• 1:59:15
  where he just shot and then over.
• 1:59:17
  I don't know, like maybe I was a little more interested to see
• 1:59:20
  like the aftermath because I mean, yes, life does go on after
• 1:59:25
  stuff like that, but I wanted to see like how And it it was
• 1:59:29
  surprising to me how quickly she was able to.
• 1:59:31
  I mean, it could be like up front, but she's putting up, but
• 1:59:34
  just be out, comfortable to like be out and stuff like that.
• 1:59:37
  Because they also don't give us a timeline.
• 1:59:39
  So I don't know how long it actually took.
• 1:59:41
  Like after the whole incident, it was a couple months.
• 1:59:44
  It was just a few days after, you know, that's true.
• 1:59:47
  But then again, I just could be that person who just looks too
• 1:59:50
  much into it and I just need to watch the movie.
• 1:59:52
  Yeah. No, I understand what you mean.
• 1:59:54
  Like having some sort of timeline helps.
• 1:59:57
  I could just be nut picky like that though.
• 1:59:58
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