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Episode #3831 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive Hour · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: today from the year two thousand. This is Art Griego
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Speaker 1: our pilot and he is talking about John Kennedy Junior.
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Speaker 1: And the reason why John Kennedy Junior crashed that plane
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Speaker 1: is because of all the talking that was going on
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Speaker 1: on the plane. He couldn't take it any longer and
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Speaker 1: he just nosed it in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, you Margaret, you knew it. I
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Speaker 2: knew you did it. I didn't think you were gonna
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Speaker 2: think you'd replay it.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're doing it. So this is Art Greego from
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Speaker 1: July two thousand. John Kennedy Jr. Couldn't stand all.
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Speaker 2: Of the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and.
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Speaker 1: He just dove it right into the surf. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: even Margaret's laughing right now.
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Speaker 2: You are, Margaret, No, I'm not.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you are on the world famous Phil Henry Show,
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Speaker 2: And John F.
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Speaker 3: Kennedy Junior probably became disoriented in the night sky on
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Speaker 3: his final flight, leading to the crash that killed him,
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Speaker 3: his wife, and her sister, according to federal investigators, who
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Speaker 3: have released their final report on the accident today, nearly
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Speaker 3: a year after the sun of the late President plummeted
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Speaker 3: into the sea off of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, and you
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Speaker 3: recall it was one year ago this month, the National
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Speaker 3: Transportation Safety Board confirmed preliminary reports and suspicions held since
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Speaker 3: the crash by concluding that pilot error was the probable
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Speaker 3: cause of the July sixteenth, nineteen ninety nine accident. Art
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Speaker 3: Grego is a private pilot and is on the line
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Speaker 3: with US from Santa Monica and generally has some interesting
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Speaker 3: takes on matters relative to aviation.
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Speaker 2: Art, how are you this afternoon? All right?
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Speaker 3: So what do you think of this report and what
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Speaker 3: do you think of the conclusion of pilot error.
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Speaker 4: I disagree with it, as you know, I know you.
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Speaker 2: Told me that before we went on the air.
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Speaker 4: Y Well, I think that John Kennedy, John Kennedy Junior,
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Speaker 4: was a good pilot. Think there was any pilot error,
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Speaker 4: and I think that would have been something that the
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Speaker 4: NTSB could could have concluded. How So, I think that
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Speaker 4: there wasn't any disorientation due to the elements of the weather.
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Speaker 4: The NTSB, I think is might be doing a little
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Speaker 4: covering up because you know as well as I do,
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Speaker 4: that there is a powerful female lobby in this country
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Speaker 4: that doesn't want the facts to come out. In my opinion, Now.
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Speaker 3: Wait before we start talking about political cover up, you
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Speaker 3: are implicating a female lobby meaning what now or well.
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Speaker 4: I just no, I wouldn't say any specific organization.
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Speaker 2: Now hold on for a minute.
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Speaker 3: You're saying that a consortium or a conspiracy or a group.
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Speaker 4: I'm not coming in a conspiracy either. There. I'm saying
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Speaker 4: the women are obviously more powerful politically in this country,
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Speaker 4: and I don't think that they would want the facts
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Speaker 4: of this to come out and such as well, do
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Speaker 4: the math. The guy was flying with two women who
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Speaker 4: most probably started right in as soon as the plane
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Speaker 4: got off the ground, and that the plane made it
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Speaker 4: as far as it did. Well, that pilot John F.
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Speaker 4: Kennedy Junior was subjected to the incessant back seat driving
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Speaker 4: is amazing eye. As a matter of fact, though we
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Speaker 4: did have or we're lucky enough to got some of
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Speaker 4: the cockpit voice recorder.
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Speaker 3: All right, now you're saying to me, hold on, for it.
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Speaker 3: You have some of the cockpit voice recorder, Yes, I do.
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Speaker 4: And uh, these women I think are fairly typical of
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Speaker 4: a lot of women who fly with their husbands and
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Speaker 4: their brothers in law. We did have on the tape,
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Speaker 4: and I did. I think they in the in the
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Speaker 4: cockpit voice recorder. The transcription was fly faster, John knows up, John,
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Speaker 4: you're stalling. You're starling a lot of the things that
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Speaker 4: are typical I think of women in the back seat driving.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So in other words, what you're telling me and
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Speaker 3: these you started off your comments by saying that John F.
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Speaker 3: Kennedy Junior, they probably started right in as soon as
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Speaker 3: the plane got off the ground.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Because once you've got you've got a man, you've
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Speaker 4: got two women. The man is flying, the women are
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Speaker 4: either sitting shotgun or one is sitting behind him. That
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Speaker 4: is a formula for incessant bothering and harassment off the pilot.
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Speaker 4: And when you take into consideration the hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 4: of miles driven by motorists in this country just on
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Speaker 4: the ground, and the backseat driving that their wives and
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Speaker 4: mothers in law. And I'll tell you this much. Had
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Speaker 4: there been a mother in law on board. I have
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Speaker 4: no doubt that mister Kennedy would have brought it down
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Speaker 4: in a populated area. But fortunately, because there was no
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Speaker 4: mother in law, he was able to at least, and
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Speaker 4: my head is off to John Kennedy Jr. He was
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Speaker 4: able to save a lot of people, a lot of
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Speaker 4: people's lives by bringing it down in the ocean.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Were you saying that because there was no mother in
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Speaker 3: law on board, which would have brought the plane down sooner.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that with the incessant haranguing of his
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Speaker 4: mother in law, with the incessant clap trap, and it's
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Speaker 4: just the NonStop verbal diarrhea of a mother in law,
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Speaker 4: I think he would have brought that thing down nose
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Speaker 4: first into a jungle gym. And now you're talking about
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Speaker 4: dead kids. Now it's not funny. Now it's dead kids.
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Speaker 4: I think that what you had was a wife and
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Speaker 4: a sister in law. That's bad enough. And as you
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Speaker 4: can see, he couldn't bring that. He didn't get the
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Speaker 4: thing anywhere near where he wanted to land it, which
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Speaker 4: is on Long Island. But his guy, I think it
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Speaker 4: was in Hyannas's that he was heading.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was going from Long Island to hyennas correct.
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Speaker 4: I think what happened was that the haranguing, the talking,
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Speaker 4: the backseat driving, Fly faster, fly, floor, nose up. You know,
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Speaker 4: I have a mirror for my makeup? How am I
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Speaker 4: going to put on these hose? Do you have? Can
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Speaker 4: I smoke in here? Anybody got a drink? All of
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Speaker 4: this stuff just keeps on and on and on. And
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Speaker 4: what happens to the typical male pilot is his hands
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Speaker 4: begin to tense up on the yoke. There is visible perspiration.
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Speaker 4: He becomes almost dizzy, disoriented. There's a vertigo that sets in.
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Speaker 4: The voices of his wife and his sister in law
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Speaker 4: turn into almost an echo chamber. They begin to reverberate
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Speaker 4: their slap back. He doesn't really hear the words anymore.
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Speaker 4: The sky looks wrong, the water looks wrong, and the
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Speaker 4: next thing, you know, rather than have to listen to
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Speaker 4: them any longer, he goes ahead and puts it into
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Speaker 4: a noose dive.
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Speaker 2: So are you telling me that John Kennedy took his
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Speaker 2: own life.
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Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that he took his own life.
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Speaker 4: He was looking for relief. He was looking for relief
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Speaker 4: from the sound of these women's voices. And I don't
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Speaker 4: think he wanted to kill anybody. I think he was
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Speaker 4: just we look for relief from a headache by taking aspirin.
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Speaker 4: John did the logical thing. He looked for relief from
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Speaker 4: the constant haranguing of these women by simply crashing it
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Speaker 4: into the ocean. And I don't think he was thinking
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Speaker 4: of taking anybody's life so much as just the blessed
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Speaker 4: relief of silence, and that's what he got. And I
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Speaker 4: think he just I think what he was looking to
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Speaker 4: do so was the ditch and the pain.
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Speaker 3: We are talking with Art Greego, private pilot from Santa Monica,
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Speaker 3: with a very unorthodox view of what really happened in
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Speaker 3: that airplane one year ago when John Kennedy Junior, along
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Speaker 3: with his wife and his sister in law died when
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Speaker 3: the plane crashed.
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Speaker 2: Now, the NTSB says it was disorientation.
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Speaker 3: Mister Griego was saying that with a man flying and
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Speaker 3: two women sitting in the plane the backseat driving, the
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Speaker 3: haranguing and the complaining about his flying probably was so
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Speaker 3: much that mister Kennedy ditched.
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Speaker 4: I think he was looking to ditch to release one
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Speaker 4: of the rafts and just get away from them. Now,
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Speaker 4: I know that the emergency equipment on that cess that
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Speaker 4: he was flying does afford the capability of three people
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Speaker 4: to get on three separate rafts. I think what he
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Speaker 4: wanted to do is hit the automatic inflight on one
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Speaker 4: of those life rafts, get in it, and get out
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Speaker 4: of there before they were able to get into theirs
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Speaker 4: and float after him. And I think he just wanted
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Speaker 4: to get clear of the crash scene, and.
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Speaker 3: So he was looking to ditch and get away from
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Speaker 3: these women who had not shut up since he yet.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, had not shut up since he took off.
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Speaker 2: Now you have a piece of.
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Speaker 3: The voice recorder that you're going to play for us
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Speaker 3: a little bit later on.
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Speaker 4: Yes, And I think it's gonna bear on a lot
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Speaker 4: of what I'm saying. Well, I was want to say,
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Speaker 4: I have experienced this, and all I'm saying is, if
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Speaker 4: you are a single man flying with more than one woman,
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Speaker 4: you can begin to lose nervous control. You start to sweat,
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Speaker 4: your hands, start to shake, your spatial orientation gets thrown off.
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Speaker 4: I've been with my wife and I love her, and
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Speaker 4: almost as soon as we lift off, she starts in
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Speaker 4: and I begin to lose control of the aircraft. I'm
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Speaker 4: almost I tell you right now, I've almost pucked at
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Speaker 4: nose first in a crowded jungle gym right right near
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Speaker 4: the Santa Monica Airport here. And I'll tell you if
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Speaker 4: Kafka Junior had his mother in law in that plan
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Speaker 4: with him, I have no doubt in my mind he
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Speaker 4: would have crash landed a populated high density housing project.
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Speaker 4: So again my head is off to him.
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Speaker 3: So you are saying, in other words, that it was
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Speaker 3: a great piece of flying that he crashed it where
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Speaker 3: he did.
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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, it was a tremendous piece of flying that
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Speaker 4: he put it down where he did and didn't kill somebody.
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Speaker 4: Because I can tell you, and any planet can tell
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Speaker 4: you that when you're flying and.
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Speaker 3: You are okay, I gotta interrupt you here because you
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Speaker 3: know that you're going to have a lot of women
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Speaker 3: saying that this is obvious sexist. So I understand hold
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Speaker 3: on obvious sexist conclusions that you're coming to that women
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Speaker 3: talk too much while a man's trying to drive. You
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Speaker 3: are accusing these two women now of causing that crash.
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Speaker 4: You realize that it is my opinion, I stick with it. Yes, sir,
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Speaker 4: And this is no commentary on these women, but I
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Speaker 4: think there comes a point when you just want to
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Speaker 4: end the pain. And I think pilots, private pilots should
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Speaker 4: not be allowed to fly with their wives or female
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Speaker 4: members of the family royalty. As you know, Prince Charles,
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Speaker 4: Prince William, they cannot fly together. We also have the
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Speaker 4: rules that say the President of the United States cannot
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Speaker 4: fly with the vice president. I don't see anything wrong
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Speaker 4: with saying to private pilots, keep your wives and your
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Speaker 4: girlfriends and your sisters, keep them in the hangar until
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Speaker 4: you get airborne, and they'll catch up to you later.
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Speaker 3: Ark Griegel private pilots, as he gives his theory of
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Speaker 3: why JFK. Junior's plane went down, the fact that his
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Speaker 3: wife and her sister didn't shut up from the time
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Speaker 3: the plane lifted off until the time the plane eventually
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Speaker 3: hit the water there in the Atlantic. And you were saying,
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Speaker 3: they literally were talking all the way up.
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Speaker 2: To the end.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because, as the voice recorder will bear out, we
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Speaker 4: have a snippet of tape.
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Speaker 2: From them that they were talking when the plane crashed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're going to hear that and take
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Speaker 3: some phone calls here, Art Diego with us on the
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Speaker 3: Phil Henry Show, The Phil Henry Show. Here on the
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Speaker 3: line with us is Art Griego from Santa Monica. We're
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Speaker 3: talking about John F. Kennedy Junior's plane crashing.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: The NTSB has said that it was a disorientation due
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Speaker 3: to the inner ear and a pilot error essentially, although
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Speaker 3: you're saying that that's not really fair, Art, Well, first of.
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Speaker 4: All, I don't think it's fair. I think John Kennedy Jr.
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Speaker 4: Was a fine pilot. This inner ear thing is always
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Speaker 4: cited when there are female passengers.
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Speaker 3: And so in other words, the female passengers were back
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Speaker 3: seat driving.
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Speaker 4: They could have been backseat driving, bothering him, wanting him
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Speaker 4: to shift the mirror. So they're going to apply their make
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Speaker 4: it You have been in those situations before, and I'm
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Speaker 4: saying is mister Kennedy was involved in a very tense
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Speaker 4: situation where I think it got to him and he
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Speaker 4: decided to ditch the plane and try to get out
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Speaker 4: and try to make it to Hyennis in a raft
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Speaker 4: or try to get picked up by the coastguard.
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Speaker 3: Because he couldn't stand listening to his wife and sister
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Speaker 3: talking any longer.
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Speaker 4: That's it. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Lincoln on the Phil Henry Show. Hello Lincoln, Hello, Hello, Yes, sir,
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Speaker 3: Hi you're on the air. Yeah, go ahead, sir, go ahead.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. What Kennedy ahead was what would they call spatial disorientation,
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Speaker 5: and it comes about by not seeing the horizon.
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Speaker 4: Well that's what the NTSB wants you to believe. Well,
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Speaker 4: I want you to believe.
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Speaker 5: That's what you want you to believe. I've experienced it
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Speaker 5: until you get to be an instrument rated pilot, and
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Speaker 5: you know what the horizon believes.
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Speaker 4: Have you ever been in an aircraft with two or
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Speaker 4: three women?
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Speaker 5: Hype it in their draft with six women?
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Speaker 4: Okay, and you know you've gotten space. What you've gotten
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Speaker 4: what you call spatial disorientation.
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Speaker 5: Only only when you would get in clouds and before
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Speaker 5: I ever had an instrument rating.
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Speaker 2: When you when you.
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Speaker 4: Drop drop a wing, well, dropping a wing.
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Speaker 5: I've dropped that. Yeah, that drops you in. And I'll
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Speaker 5: tell you that the spatial disorientation you're in when you're
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Speaker 5: taking your instrument trading the pilot, the instructors will actually
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Speaker 5: take you into that situation, so they'll show you what happened.
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Speaker 4: Roger, Now, where do you where do you drop your wing.
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Speaker 5: Well, you just lower the wing because you don't think
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Speaker 5: your mind is telling you that the wings are aren't level.
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Speaker 5: But what the part of you make them? What part
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Speaker 5: of the country, any part of the country. It will
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Speaker 5: happen anywhere.
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Speaker 4: You're going to drop your wing anywhere.
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Speaker 5: Well, you don't drop it off, you just lower it
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Speaker 5: on the ones on.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, how do you know that when you were
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Speaker 4: experiencing dropping a wing that a woman wasn't on board
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Speaker 4: with you? See, That's what I'm saying. And a lot
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Speaker 4: of guys will say, well, it's spatial disorientation, when in
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Speaker 4: point of fact, these women don't shut up.
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Speaker 3: Well, what are you saying that they're saying spatial disorientation
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Speaker 3: when they're ignoring the fact that the guy's got women
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Speaker 3: haranguing them whether yeah.
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Speaker 4: Just as soon as they take off, okay, And I
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Speaker 4: think you need to look into that.
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Speaker 5: I think the guy is his clutch is slipping.
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Speaker 4: No, I'm telling you I have my clutch adjusted. Okay.
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Speaker 4: I'm saying, are you rated instrument rated?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 4: Well, where what vector is?
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Speaker 5: Do you have an instrument rating the fly price?
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Speaker 4: Yes? I do, yes, I do.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And then when you took your training. They didn't
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Speaker 5: go up and have you demonstrate your vertigo.
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Speaker 4: Of course they did, but I never, I never, I
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Speaker 4: never experienced it, not until I'm along with my wife,
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Speaker 4: and that's when I begin to get dizzy. That's when
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Speaker 4: I start to lose the horizon.
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Speaker 3: And you're saying you're losing the horizon because your wife
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Speaker 3: won't shut up.
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Speaker 4: Well, if this guy doesn't know what I'm talking about,
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't. I've never done that.
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Speaker 4: Have you ever wanted to? Have you ever been flying
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Speaker 4: with your wife and a mother in law and you've
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Speaker 4: just had the urge to go ahead and ditch it?
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Speaker 5: No, no way, no way, Jose you're kidding now. I
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Speaker 5: wouldn't do that.
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Speaker 4: I have, and I think that that's what happened to
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Speaker 4: John Kennedy.
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Speaker 5: All right, sir, I think he lost the horizon. I
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Speaker 5: appreciate you, thank you very much for I got to
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Speaker 5: go to a bordendi.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for calling.
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Speaker 3: Okay, all right by here is Lake Forest on the
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Speaker 3: Phil Henry Show. Hello, Hi, Yes, ma'am. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I just think that this pilot that is uh called
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Speaker 6: in this is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
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Speaker 6: I don't think he has any basis, and I think
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Speaker 6: it's very sexist.
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Speaker 2: His Wait a minute, what's the matter?
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Speaker 4: Art? You see what's happening to me right now?
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Speaker 6: Are you getting sweaty?
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Speaker 4: I'm getting a little dizzy.
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Speaker 6: Well, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, God, I wish Piper would make a plane with
17:59
Speaker 4: a rear jack. I really do.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, maybe you need to go see
18:03
Speaker 6: a psychiatrist or a licensed clinical social worker.
18:06
Speaker 7: Why all I'm saying is to find out how.
18:09
Speaker 6: To control those emotions and feelings that come over you
18:12
Speaker 6: when a female talks to you.
18:15
Speaker 2: Are you all right?
18:16
Speaker 6: Aren't?
18:16
Speaker 7: No?
18:18
Speaker 8: No?
18:18
Speaker 4: No, hold on, I've been married for fifteen years. I
18:20
Speaker 4: can talk to my wife. I can deal with my
18:22
Speaker 4: mother in law. I'm not saying it's easy, but I
18:26
Speaker 4: can do it all right. But there's a certain I guess,
18:30
Speaker 4: there's a certain oscillation level of voice where I start
18:34
Speaker 4: to get dizzy. And as soon as you came on
18:36
Speaker 4: the line.
18:38
Speaker 2: You got dizzy listening to this lady.
18:40
Speaker 4: Yes, I did.
18:41
Speaker 6: Well it was your wife, your daughter in law. I
18:45
Speaker 6: would not be happening in a plane with you. And
18:47
Speaker 6: I also think that it's very very rude to the
18:52
Speaker 6: family of those ladies that you're even calling in and
18:55
Speaker 6: saying the same.
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Speaker 3: All right, mister Grego, sir, Yeah, okay, what the lady
19:03
Speaker 3: said was that you probably should watch what you're saying
19:06
Speaker 3: with regard to missus Kennedy and her sister.
19:09
Speaker 4: All Right, I understand that. I'm just saying, if John
19:13
Speaker 4: Kennedy experiences anything like a lot of pilots as soon
19:16
Speaker 4: as the women start talking with the backseat driving, nose up,
19:20
Speaker 4: nose down, you're going too fast, you're going too slow,
19:23
Speaker 4: but you're stalling. You're stalling, get your note. You know
19:26
Speaker 4: all of that stuff you would rather cute, I swear man,
19:29
Speaker 4: you would rather crash it into a building.
19:32
Speaker 6: Well, some people, he didn't have a building here, you
19:35
Speaker 6: know what. I wouldn't that he was that kind of
19:38
Speaker 6: person like that. That's fair for you to speak those
19:41
Speaker 6: judgment all right.
19:42
Speaker 3: I think that he's probably misjudging. I don't know that
19:46
Speaker 3: it comes from any moral sense. I think it's just
19:48
Speaker 3: a misjudging based upon a misinterpretation of people. Thank you,
19:53
Speaker 3: ma'am for your call, though you're welcome. By Indian Orchard
19:57
Speaker 3: on The Phil Henry Show. Hello, yes, sir, how you
20:00
Speaker 3: pretty good?
20:00
Speaker 2: So? How are you pretty good?
20:01
Speaker 5: Sir?
20:02
Speaker 8: I've got a couple of things that I'm really step
20:04
Speaker 8: bothering me about what he's saying in not so much
20:07
Speaker 8: the Cessna Piper argument, but.
20:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, I spoke. I meant to say Piper if I
20:11
Speaker 4: said Sessma, forgive me.
20:13
Speaker 8: Okay. I've been flying, think about nineteen sixty six, and
20:16
Speaker 8: I fly the Warrior and I fly the Arrow, which
20:19
Speaker 8: you should know are just one notch below the Rola
20:21
Speaker 8: Koga that he was in. Roger one voice cockpit voice
20:26
Speaker 8: recorder on airplay is that small.
20:27
Speaker 4: I've never heard hiper on the Piper. On the Piper,
20:30
Speaker 4: they do have a minimal unit which is voice activated only,
20:35
Speaker 4: and they've been experimenting with this now for Pobby. I
20:37
Speaker 4: don't know. It's an option that they've experimented with for
20:40
Speaker 4: like the last few few years. John Kennedy, obviously, money
20:44
Speaker 4: not being any object, I'm sure dabbled in some of
20:48
Speaker 4: these little options that you could load into a content.
20:52
Speaker 2: I don't know.
20:53
Speaker 8: Again, I've never heard a laying.
20:55
Speaker 4: I can play it for you if you'd like it.
20:56
Speaker 2: Do you have the Yeah, that's what I want to ask.
20:59
Speaker 4: Do you can order from the Piper factory?
21:01
Speaker 3: All right, Well, hold on for a minute. Do you
21:02
Speaker 3: have that piece of tape. I do so, all right,
21:05
Speaker 3: I want to hear that with the collar on the line. Now,
21:07
Speaker 3: this is supposedly the last few seconds before the piper
21:12
Speaker 3: hit the water.
21:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is when they had pretty much reached
21:17
Speaker 4: They went about thirty thirty five d im and then
21:21
Speaker 4: here it is, all right, what was that? You can
21:29
Speaker 4: hear it distinctly, someone saying I've got a pee okay,
21:35
Speaker 4: and that says what That tells me that they had
21:37
Speaker 4: been haranguing him and bugging him about having to go
21:40
Speaker 4: to the bathroom and all this stuff. Okay, sir.
21:46
Speaker 2: Indian Orchard, are you still are? I imagine he hung up.
21:50
Speaker 4: I don't blame him.
21:51
Speaker 3: Phil Henry Show, Phil Henry Show with me is Art
22:07
Speaker 3: Griego on the line from Santa Monica at the airport
22:11
Speaker 3: there right.
22:12
Speaker 4: Art, Well, here I have a couple of blasts after
22:17
Speaker 4: it's a fun day fly and we took some passengers
22:19
Speaker 4: up to Santa Barbara.
22:21
Speaker 2: You say you're having a couple of blasts.
22:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just having a beer and joined a very
22:25
Speaker 4: very beautiful day here in southern California. All right, we're
22:27
Speaker 4: talking about John F. Kennedy and unfortunately not a happy topic.
22:31
Speaker 4: John Kennedy Junior lost his life last year. The NTSP
22:34
Speaker 4: says it was disorientation due to an inner ear. This
22:37
Speaker 4: is a common spatial disorientation, a common malady suffered by
22:42
Speaker 4: pilots when they.
22:45
Speaker 2: When they have this this this inner ear situation right.
22:47
Speaker 4: Art well again, So I don't think it was running.
22:51
Speaker 4: I don't think it was just spatial disorientation. I think
22:54
Speaker 4: it was disorientation caused by the fact that he had
22:58
Speaker 4: a rife and a in law pulling blouses out of
23:02
Speaker 4: the bag, or look at the earrings that I bought,
23:05
Speaker 4: look at the makeup that I got. They had just
23:07
Speaker 4: been to the Long Island Mall, and at the Long
23:10
Speaker 4: Island Mall, yes, where they purchased these things. And so
23:15
Speaker 4: here's John Kennedy Jr. And all he is praying for
23:18
Speaker 4: is land. He's hoping to God he sees land and
23:21
Speaker 4: sees it soon because he knows that that's Hyannas. He
23:25
Speaker 4: can sit down there, get out, get debriefed.
23:29
Speaker 2: Now, what do you mean by debriefed.
23:31
Speaker 4: Any time you're in an aircraft for an extended period
23:33
Speaker 4: with women, you have to be debriefed. Where you hit
23:38
Speaker 4: the ground, you have to go in the NTSB immediately
23:41
Speaker 4: wants to talk you down from this disoriented, you know,
23:47
Speaker 4: state of mind that you're in.
23:49
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Omaha and the Phil Henry Show. Ho, Hi, Hi, mam.
23:54
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say that I'm just I find
23:56
Speaker 9: this an absolute riot. I think that maybe saying that
24:01
Speaker 9: John Kennedy wanted to ditch the plane might be going
24:03
Speaker 9: to extreme.
24:04
Speaker 4: Well I don't think that.
24:06
Speaker 9: Why, Well, well no, I just want to tell you
24:09
Speaker 9: that I the reason I find this so funny is
24:11
Speaker 9: because I come from a family of all girls, and
24:13
Speaker 9: I have three daughters. Yes, and I know how we
24:16
Speaker 9: can drive when we get together. We drive my dad
24:19
Speaker 9: and my husband absolutely crazy. And I understand what you're saying.
24:22
Speaker 4: There you go, and it could easily lead a man
24:24
Speaker 4: Phil to want to get so far away from it
24:27
Speaker 4: that he might ditch the plane, take his chances with
24:31
Speaker 4: a passing coast guard cutter, or to in a boat.
24:34
Speaker 3: So you're saying that John Kennedy was hoping to ditch
24:37
Speaker 3: and be picked up by a fishing boat.
24:39
Speaker 7: Yes, can I can? I just tell you that you
24:44
Speaker 7: know when my husband might yet, Yeah, your husband and
24:47
Speaker 7: your father have felt these feelings as well. Oh yeah,
24:51
Speaker 7: if they want to stop, they'll want.
24:53
Speaker 4: To let you out. O Either that or they'll get out.
24:56
Speaker 4: They'll get out themselves and take the chances with a
24:58
Speaker 4: passing truck.
25:00
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I think that John Kennedy is probably mature
25:03
Speaker 9: enough as my dad and father in law to know
25:05
Speaker 9: I've got to get away or go to another room.
25:07
Speaker 9: Don't listen to this.
25:08
Speaker 4: If you're in an airport game not if you're in
25:10
Speaker 4: an airplane, then all bets are off.
25:12
Speaker 2: And then well, if you're in an airplane.
25:14
Speaker 4: You're trying to ditch. You're trying to make it the land.
25:17
Speaker 4: And I think he was trying to ditch because I
25:19
Speaker 4: think he was too far away from land.
25:21
Speaker 9: All right, Well, I just wanted to say that I
25:23
Speaker 9: think it's the right because, thank you, I can understand
25:26
Speaker 9: what you're saying.
25:26
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you very much. Just when that happens to
25:29
Speaker 4: your husband or to your father. I know it's funny
25:32
Speaker 4: on a certain level, but it's also dangerous. That cockpit
25:35
Speaker 4: is about the size of a VW bug interior fill.
25:37
Speaker 4: And the next time you see your husband or your
25:40
Speaker 4: father going through that, ma'am, think of John Kennedy and
25:43
Speaker 4: remember that it isn't so funny when a man loses
25:46
Speaker 4: his life.
25:47
Speaker 7: Well, I see him in that mode.
25:49
Speaker 9: We also know that it's time to be quiet, and
25:51
Speaker 9: neither of them.
25:52
Speaker 4: God, if only you'd been on that plane with John Kennedy,
25:56
Speaker 4: you would have known to shut up. You know, I
25:59
Speaker 4: know that's right there. And these women didn't notice shut up.
26:03
Speaker 4: They kept on about the ear rings and the stockings
26:06
Speaker 4: and the shoes.
26:07
Speaker 3: Well, how do you know it was about the shoes
26:09
Speaker 3: and the stock They had been to a mall.
26:11
Speaker 4: I'm sure they were talking about their clothes and their
26:13
Speaker 4: wigs whenever they bought.
26:15
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, dere It's Phil Henry Show.
26:18
Speaker 3: We're with Ark Griego talking about John Kennedy Junior and
26:22
Speaker 3: the fact that what caused him to crash the plane
26:24
Speaker 3: in arts opinion is the incessant talking of women in
26:28
Speaker 3: the airplane. You made the statement that had he been
26:31
Speaker 3: with a mother in law, he probably would have brought
26:33
Speaker 3: it down in a populated area.
26:34
Speaker 4: That's just no doubt in my mind.
26:36
Speaker 2: Let's go to Oneanna on the Phil Henry Show.
26:38
Speaker 10: Hello, their thing is the guy says it was assessan
26:41
Speaker 10: when you first.
26:41
Speaker 4: Started, it was I corrected myself I said it was.
26:44
Speaker 10: A well and if I don't hang your hat you
26:47
Speaker 10: have a pilot. Don't hang your hat on that one
26:49
Speaker 10: to hear me, because if I was your if I
26:51
Speaker 10: did your checkout, right, the first thing I do is
26:53
Speaker 10: kick your ass right off the plane.
26:55
Speaker 4: Wait a second, don't hang the piper thing on me.
26:57
Speaker 4: I misspoke, all right.
26:59
Speaker 10: Miss bowl, that's all. I don't think you're even a pilot.
27:01
Speaker 10: You got no, I got a bunch of things. For
27:03
Speaker 10: Another thing is if they were showing clothes and everything, yes,
27:07
Speaker 10: the only debris that was found there was no supering
27:12
Speaker 10: on impact. All the clothes would be floating to the
27:14
Speaker 10: top of the water.
27:15
Speaker 4: Right. There were suitcases, sir, they found suitcases.
27:18
Speaker 10: Okay, clothe thing is not out of long. Put in
27:23
Speaker 10: a suitcase and it will only be about a twenty
27:25
Speaker 10: minutes light. Third thing is you said he was going
27:28
Speaker 10: about thirty five hundred RPMs and when.
27:30
Speaker 4: It hit the I'm saying with the guy that they
27:34
Speaker 4: found clothing in the suitcases.
27:37
Speaker 10: Okay. I was there the week before it happened, and
27:39
Speaker 10: I listened to it all during when it happened.
27:41
Speaker 4: What do you mean what I mean?
27:43
Speaker 10: What do you mean you're listening, floating as you perceive.
27:46
Speaker 4: What do you mean you listen to it?
27:48
Speaker 10: I wanted on TV and I listened to the news.
27:50
Speaker 4: I mean, have you alone with women?
27:52
Speaker 10: If you're even a pilot, have you along with a woman?
27:55
Speaker 10: All of every every pilot right now is laughing their
27:57
Speaker 10: ass off. I'm asking you know a thing about what
28:00
Speaker 10: you're talking.
28:00
Speaker 4: Where do you vector on us?
28:02
Speaker 7: Uh?
28:03
Speaker 4: You vector out of Oniana? Correct? The municipal airport? Correct?
28:08
Speaker 5: Oh?
28:08
Speaker 10: I just last last week? You out of Vegetable Say
28:12
Speaker 10: it again? Where Barnstable Airport, which is on the on
28:16
Speaker 10: the what's your what's your flight path?
28:20
Speaker 4: Uh?
28:21
Speaker 10: You got me by sneakers. We just fly right the
28:24
Speaker 10: right to Nantucket. And he was coming from Jersey, which
28:26
Speaker 10: is actually south.
28:28
Speaker 4: Do you fly? Do you fly to Nantucket? Yes? We
28:30
Speaker 4: did out of Oniana?
28:32
Speaker 10: No, out of Barnstable, which is not next to Hyanna's
28:37
Speaker 10: next to who next to Hyanna's portport?
28:40
Speaker 4: I know, I'm just I'm just checking to see if
28:42
Speaker 4: this guy knows where where he is?
28:44
Speaker 10: Which guy?
28:45
Speaker 4: You?
28:46
Speaker 10: I wonder if you know where you are?
28:48
Speaker 4: You don't even file a flight pan. You're not a
28:50
Speaker 4: did you file a flight plant?
28:52
Speaker 6: No?
28:52
Speaker 4: I don't well then you're not a real pilot.
28:54
Speaker 10: I'm a student pilot, sir, and that's why.
28:57
Speaker 4: Oh check it out. I got the student pilot telling
28:59
Speaker 4: me how. Yes, I let to tell you something. When
29:02
Speaker 4: you vector out of a place like Long Beach, California,
29:06
Speaker 4: Santa Monica, I'm black star all the way, Okay, I
29:09
Speaker 4: I'm sixteen on the high. You don't know what's blackstars? No?
29:12
Speaker 1: I know?
29:13
Speaker 4: Okay, you got to sit back and learn number two.
29:16
Speaker 7: Not from a product fourteen high.
29:18
Speaker 4: You're fourteen high and you're vectoring out of an east tailwind.
29:21
Speaker 4: What do you do?
29:23
Speaker 10: I don't have a clue on what there?
29:25
Speaker 4: You go go back to school, my friend?
29:27
Speaker 2: Well what, I don't know what you're talking about.
29:29
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. But what does matter is that John
29:32
Speaker 4: Kennedy be a light today, alive today, if a couple
29:35
Speaker 4: of women were just to shut up for twenty minutes.
29:38
Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much.
29:41
Speaker 4: So I have to fly through lax lax airspace, not
29:44
Speaker 4: a bunch of cornfields. All right. So that guy I
29:47
Speaker 4: want to check back in with me when they start
29:48
Speaker 4: putting some buildings up where he lives.
29:50
Speaker 2: Here's a guru on the Phil Henry Show. Hello, Hi, hi, ma'am.
29:54
Speaker 2: How are you?
29:55
Speaker 11: I'm good, how are you? I just I don't understand
29:58
Speaker 11: this whole thing about I kind of came in the middle.
30:00
Speaker 11: But what is the thing about it?
30:02
Speaker 2: Basically, what if you can reset?
30:04
Speaker 4: What we're trying to say is that John Kennedy Jr.
30:07
Speaker 4: There's a very good chance that he was flying with
30:10
Speaker 4: his wife and with his sister that as soon as
30:12
Speaker 4: they took off, I'm sure the wife and sisters started
30:15
Speaker 4: in with the talking. And I don't mean this about
30:18
Speaker 4: every woman. I'm a married man. I love my wife.
30:20
Speaker 4: But you fly, you drive, it's the same thing. They're
30:24
Speaker 4: telling you how to do it. They don't shut up.
30:26
Speaker 4: I think he reached a point, dear Hyannas, where he
30:29
Speaker 4: decided to ditch and take his chances on a life raft.
30:32
Speaker 11: He decided to ditch because he was getting driven crazy
30:34
Speaker 11: by it.
30:35
Speaker 4: Because his wife and then they had clothing they just
30:37
Speaker 4: bought at the mall. They were talking about the wedding,
30:40
Speaker 4: they were talking about who's going to do the video,
30:43
Speaker 4: and Kennedy, by all accounts, his fingers tightening on the yoke,
30:47
Speaker 4: sweat pouring down his face, began to head straight into
30:52
Speaker 4: the waves. White knuckle flying.
30:54
Speaker 11: You should be an author, right, the guy he crashedes,
30:58
Speaker 11: my dad's a pilot. I flew with him all when
31:00
Speaker 11: I was a little girl, when I was a teenager.
31:02
Speaker 4: And your father ever crashed with you?
31:04
Speaker 8: There?
31:04
Speaker 11: No, my father was excellent, excellent flyers, a policeman, and
31:09
Speaker 11: you knew.
31:09
Speaker 4: I bet you knew when to shut up?
31:11
Speaker 11: You know, you know what he told me? He said,
31:13
Speaker 11: He said Kennedy crashed because he could not see the horizon.
31:16
Speaker 11: He wasn't He only had like a hundred hours flying
31:19
Speaker 11: without instruments, and that's why crashed.
31:21
Speaker 4: Well, why do you agree, I agreed, because he couldn't
31:24
Speaker 4: see the horizon because he became disoriented from the vibration,
31:28
Speaker 4: from the droning sound of the wife's voice.
31:31
Speaker 5: He would have to be.
31:35
Speaker 4: Yingy and all of that crap, and finally he went insane.
31:39
Speaker 11: You know what, My opinion is that you obviously have
31:42
Speaker 11: a problem with women and their chatting, no man, but
31:45
Speaker 11: I don't.
31:46
Speaker 4: I got a problem with a lot of empty conversation
31:48
Speaker 4: about shoes, especially when you're an aircraft.
31:51
Speaker 11: And you think Kennedy would have married a woman that
31:53
Speaker 11: he thought always I don't think.
31:55
Speaker 4: That he minded her on the ground. I think up
31:57
Speaker 4: in the air Diary of the Mouth became a liability,
32:00
Speaker 4: and John Kennedy Jr. God bless him and God rest
32:02
Speaker 4: his soul went to his grave wanting peace from the
32:06
Speaker 4: noise coming out of his wife's mouth.
32:09
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
32:10
Speaker 11: By the way, it was very intelligent, or is this
32:14
Speaker 11: minded professional woman who I'm sure didn't spend her entire
32:17
Speaker 11: life talking about shoes and clothing. In fact, they were
32:21
Speaker 11: probably talking about the wedding and what was going to
32:23
Speaker 11: be happening at the wedding, and.
32:24
Speaker 7: They might have been asking, that's exactly that's exactly what
32:27
Speaker 7: I mean.
32:27
Speaker 4: Just what do you think of the wedding? And it
32:30
Speaker 4: didn't even end and the last thing this poor guy
32:32
Speaker 4: heard was his wife talking about needing to go to
32:35
Speaker 4: the bathroom.
32:36
Speaker 3: Art Griego, Well, the NTSP disagrees with you, Art, And
32:40
Speaker 3: well MTSP.
32:41
Speaker 4: Can you know they can listen to the flight recording?
32:43
Speaker 4: You want to hear it again?
32:44
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
32:45
Speaker 4: Here it is.
32:48
Speaker 10: Don't take a leak.
32:49
Speaker 2: There you go, see, Yeah, I got to take a leak.
32:53
Speaker 2: All right? Good luck, man.
32:54
Speaker 4: Don't you want to hear the evidence?
32:55
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32:57
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