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Travis Barker · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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  Speaker 1: Pushkin. The Misfits are like a band that just hard
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: to believe they existed at some point, you know what
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like they're just so perfect and like, yeah, legend,
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like yeah, Jerry Own, I
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  Speaker 1: mean just the whole. It's just like.
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  Speaker 2: Damn, yeah, I saw something the other day. They're like
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  Speaker 2: I was always under the impression Misfits with some type
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  Speaker 2: of metal band, you know, just by the way they
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: looked if they didn't know, or like yeah, so many
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: people are familiar with the Skull, but they don't even
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  Speaker 2: associate it with the band if they don't know who
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: the Misfits are. Yeah, but like wow, what a great band.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Incredible and like their music is uh like not not
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  Speaker 1: everything from that era. I feel like would hit with
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  Speaker 1: kids now, like if they listen, but kids now who
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: only knew the Skull. I feel like if they put
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  Speaker 1: put Myfits of Misfits album on, or like a couple
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  Speaker 1: of songs whatever, maye would just hit instantly, it would
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  Speaker 1: click form, you know what I mean, Like yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like even my son's two and a half
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  Speaker 2: and the shirt when I wear it, I have like
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: a Babylon ad shirt and he goes crazy every time
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  Speaker 2: I wear it, and I showed him Skulls because he
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  Speaker 2: always wants to know what the music sounds like and
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  Speaker 2: he loves that song. So kids like the Misfits.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's certain artist like that like that just no
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  Speaker 1: matter what, like Tupac's saying, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like the legacy just I think just that the iconography
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  Speaker 1: is always big, but I feel like every generation also
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  Speaker 1: rediscovers the music. You know that Michael Jackson of course saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, kids never and that's not
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  Speaker 1: music that you feel like kids would like either like
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like complex and weird ways, or I
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  Speaker 1: could imagine kids thinking it's boring or something just because
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  Speaker 1: of it's kind of longer and it's not like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: It could be the beat too. Like we were listening
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  Speaker 2: to my son's success or Reggae, and we were listening
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: he loves Jamming by Bob Marley and it was like
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: a reggae playlist, and then Biggie came on and Rocky
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  Speaker 2: just kept going more Biggie, We're Biggie, and I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if he saw the baby,
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  Speaker 2: like the cover art or what it was, but he
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  Speaker 2: always requestsed, now, wow, so I'm not sure what it is.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, more biggiees crack dude. Yeah, it's kids one
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  Speaker 1: A one. You know, another one of those bands I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about because I saw I went back and
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: revisited when you and Post Malone did That's that Nirvana
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  Speaker 1: Live said on the last roam, Nirvana is another one
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  Speaker 1: of those bands I feel like continually rediscovered. But it
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  Speaker 1: was fun watching you guys play that, and it's fun
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  Speaker 1: watching you. I don't know how much, how how much
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  Speaker 1: beforehand did you work out those parts or did you
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  Speaker 1: just know him?
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  Speaker 2: Or it was right when COVID happened, so everyone was
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: was locked in. No one was doing anything. And my
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  Speaker 2: friend Brian Lee, who's a great songwriter and he always
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: works with Posts, he said, Post wants to do this
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  Speaker 2: Nirvana tribute with you during COVID. It's gonna be me,
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  Speaker 2: you and Post. And I was like, Brian's high right now,
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  Speaker 2: he's tripping, you know, like, there's no way we're doing
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna learn Nirvana covers and we're gonna do this
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  Speaker 2: during COVID. No one's leaving their houses and he's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm serious. I'm like, okay, well have have post hit
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: me whatever and we'll figure it out. Sure enough post
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  Speaker 2: hit me he's like, yeah, two days from now, we're
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  Speaker 2: doing it. Did you get the set list? And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, honestly, I thought Brian was capping the whole time,
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  Speaker 2: so I didn't listen to any songs. But obviously we've
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  Speaker 2: all listened to Nirvana. Yeah, but it's very different listening
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  Speaker 2: to something with like discovery years, like you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to learn it, to play it, rather than
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  Speaker 2: just listening to it. So I dove in and I
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  Speaker 2: listened to Nirvana for forty eight hours straight learned. However
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  Speaker 2: many songs we ended up playing fifteen or seventeen songs.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: Drove to Utah, there was no one on the road.
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  Speaker 2: There was like no one on the road, and got
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  Speaker 2: to got to the crib. We we played a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and then the next morning we woke up and did
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  Speaker 2: this the live. It was wild Man and Posts. Because
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  Speaker 2: I really didn't know anything. I also didn't know how
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  Speaker 2: familiar Post was with Nirvana.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that must have been the other part of it, right, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you got to prepare it, but you weren't even aware
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  Speaker 1: of how prepared he was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if you've ever heard, but a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people talk about how he was a scene
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  Speaker 2: kid and he was really into different styles of music
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  Speaker 2: and he was in bands. But he killed it. He
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  Speaker 2: sounded like Kurt. He knew every song. It wasn't as
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  Speaker 2: if he was reading lyrics. He knew every lyric. He
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  Speaker 2: was like a diard Nirvana fan. So I was pleasantly
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  Speaker 2: surprised and we were just it was just fun.
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  Speaker 1: That must have been a trip to just to hear it,
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  Speaker 1: To be behind a kid counting that off, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that come out of him must have been insane credible.
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  Speaker 2: It was. Yeah, it was really special. And then everyone
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  Speaker 2: from Nirvana, like all the living members obviously, we were so
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  Speaker 2: supportive and yeah it was it was really cool and
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  Speaker 2: we raised a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a cool experience.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: We actually recorded a couple of hardcore songs too, which
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  Speaker 2: I'll never see the light of day. Why just I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, you know, it's like, it's probably similar if
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  Speaker 2: if I recorded a rap song with you and it
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  Speaker 2: was just like fun and you're like, it's probably never
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  Speaker 2: going to see the light of to day because that's
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  Speaker 2: not what Trapp does. Whatever. But we made crazy songs
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  Speaker 2: while we were there too. It was it was fun.
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  Speaker 1: And like covers were originals not originals.
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  Speaker 2: We would just jams would end up leading to these
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  Speaker 2: songs that we would play every time we jammed in
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  Speaker 2: between songs, and then we recorded a couple of them. Cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just go do it live at least, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know, because that's it feels like that energy is
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  Speaker 1: coming back to you know. It feels like like guitar
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  Speaker 1: and heavy music in some ways. It's not that it ever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's always been great bands around, but it
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  Speaker 1: feels like there's like a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: really good young bands now.
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  Speaker 2: I think that would be cool, especially with AI being
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going to be a hater about it,
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  Speaker 2: but just knowing it's a part of music now. It's
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  Speaker 2: also really cool if a bunch of kids start playing
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  Speaker 2: guitars and drums and bass and are just anti yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a computer making music for you, and yeah, I bet
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  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of cool things that come
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  Speaker 2: out of it.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, because it seems like young kids are
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  Speaker 1: pretty anti AI, you know, like mostly like the eighteen
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  Speaker 1: year olds to talk to and like they want nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with it, you know, beyond maybe like asking
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  Speaker 1: it a medical question or something.
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  Speaker 2: What I mean, Yeah, maybe directions are where to eat? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big Yeah, I'm a big fan of that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I love I love music, and I love
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  Speaker 2: music coming from the soul or someone writing a song
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  Speaker 2: that's I don't know that means something that that wins
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  Speaker 2: all day.
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  Speaker 1: What's the first song that meant something to you? M Like,
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  Speaker 1: not just like it sounded good, but like the song,
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  Speaker 1: like everything about it spoke to you, lyrics and everything.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think there was a lot of There
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of Like Last Caress from the Misfits
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  Speaker 2: was like one of my favorite songs, but obviously it
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  Speaker 2: didn't mean anything to me. I think it was like
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  Speaker 2: songs maybe my mom listened to, like like Tears in
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  Speaker 2: Heaven or something Eric Clapton. I would hear and I'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, that's cool, you know, and I kind
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  Speaker 2: of understand the meeting behind it. Maybe some Buck Owens
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  Speaker 2: or Willie Nelson, my dad will bump. There was also
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  Speaker 2: a lot of just jazz where there was no singing
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  Speaker 2: going on in my household.
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  Speaker 1: Who was the jazz fan my pops?
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  Speaker 2: Really yeah, so car rides. Now I'm so appreciative, But
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: when I was young, I'm like, there's not even lyrics,
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  Speaker 2: like you know.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean, that's all my kids do right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like fusion and it was really cool,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of noodling around on the instruments. But now
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate and I love it. But when I was young,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Dad, can we put on like Metallica
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  Speaker 2: or you know, or anything like the Beastie Boys something,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Well, what a.
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  Speaker 1: Gift too, because like, honestly, and not until I saw
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  Speaker 1: the documentary, which congratulations by the way, so thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great movie and great doc But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I always knew you were an incredible drummer. I saw
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  Speaker 1: you guys first, like in seventh grade the Pop Disaster tour,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember just being blown away by I think
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: that was the tour. I think you went up. I
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: think that you did like a Tommy Lee where it went,
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: oh yeah you did. I think I think the first
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  Speaker 1: time you started doing that. It was the first time
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  Speaker 1: i'd ever seen it blew my mind. So I knew
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: you were a great drummer, but I never thought to
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: dissect like how you got there and seeing how rudiments
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: were just like you just ran those as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's a huge part of your training, your drum training.
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  Speaker 1: It made sense that rudiments and listening to jazz and
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  Speaker 1: having to listen to Buck Owens and Will like all
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: of that is because you don't play like a punk drummer. Really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you don't play like Robo from He's a
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  Speaker 1: great drummer. Yeah, but you don't play just like that.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you listen to Blink Transplants or anything you do,
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  Speaker 1: you can tell that's there. There's a lot of other
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  Speaker 1: feels and things in there.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I drew from just everything i'd listened to,
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  Speaker 2: and it sort of sort of like someone who I
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: don't know, if what you did at the gym was
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: these three things, you do them really well, right, and
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  Speaker 2: that's all I had at one point. You know, when
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  Speaker 2: I was young, I learned how to read jazz charts,
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  Speaker 2: but beyond that, my teacher who taught me how to
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  Speaker 2: reach jazz charts, he's like, I'm not showing you how
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: to play Rain and Blood by Slayer. There's no way
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  Speaker 2: you know, or Alex van Halen or any anything you know,
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  Speaker 2: So that was all on me. So I would just
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  Speaker 2: I'd just listen to anything and everything and even the radio,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it was on the radio, and learn how to
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  Speaker 2: play it. Just about spending hours locked in a room
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  Speaker 2: playing music. Wow, you learned so much, you know. There
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: was no YouTube or anything. It was just discovery from music.
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  Speaker 2: I liked copying, like the drums on pause boutique or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That was a drum machine figuring out how can I
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: sound like that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: And yeah that I think that helped me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: How long were you practicing each day?
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  Speaker 2: As a kid, My parents would would only let me
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: out to go skateboarding and ride bikes and stuff if
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: I played at least two to three hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a blessing, man, I think of like
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  Speaker 2: kids now, I guess it's kind of cold if you
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  Speaker 2: think about it. But I was fine. I mean, I'm
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: playing the drums. It's not like did you play weeds?
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: Weeds too? But you know, yeah, I mean I loved
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: growing up with with bound and being disciplined like Yo,
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: go do yardwork, Go modolawn, go play drums. After you
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  Speaker 2: play drums for two hours, you can go skateboarding. That
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  Speaker 2: really made me who I am today. And I couldn't
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: imagine if I wasn't putting in those few hours a
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  Speaker 2: day of playing drums, I don't know. Also, like I
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  Speaker 2: was never walking around saying I'm bored or I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what to do or I don't know. I kind
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: of hear kids say that sometimes, yeah, and I'm like,
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: go find something you love and go get lost in it.
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful. You know. It's the best thing I could
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  Speaker 2: ever done. And I think when I experienced hardship in
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: my life, thank god I had music and drumming. That
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  Speaker 2: was just something that was home to me that I
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: just felt so comfortable with and I was confident, and
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  Speaker 2: that's it was. It was it really. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it really helped me navigate just through life.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Were you a confident kid outside of music?
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Nah? I always say you ever listened to Tim Grover? Yeah, relentless,
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  Speaker 2: And he talks about one time I was speaking to
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  Speaker 2: him and he's like a lot of people they have
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: to put a mask on to go to just go
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: out in the world. You know. He was explaining like, oh, like, say,
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: if you are a basketball player, some people have to
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: put a mask on to go play basketball, order.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: To work with Jordan and Kobe and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or to go on stage and play guitar.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I have to put a mask on
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  Speaker 2: to go in the real world. When I'm not behind
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  Speaker 2: the drums, I'm confident and I'm comfortable behind my drums.
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  Speaker 2: There's no mask needed anything without my drums, mask is required,
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: you know, like to go into interviews, to just navigate
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  Speaker 2: through life or just do normal stuff. I feel naked
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  Speaker 2: without my drums, you know. That's like that's where I'm
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  Speaker 2: most comfortable to this day. Yeah, for sure, And even
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  Speaker 2: if I don't play for a couple of days, which
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't really happen. I was just on vacation and I
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: brought a practice kick because I'm learning all these Ramote
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  Speaker 2: songs for Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing an anniversary game.
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  Speaker 2: For the fiftieth anniversary. So I brought a kit and
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  Speaker 2: I set up in this weird part of this hotel
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  Speaker 2: I was staying at, and I just played for a
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  Speaker 2: couple hours every night, and I feel so much better
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  Speaker 2: after I do that that's just I don't know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just a piece of me.
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  Speaker 1: How did you just a sidetrack on that? Did you
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: put on Ramone songs? Just play long?
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  Speaker 2: Same thing as Nirvana. I'd never listened to Ramone songs
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  Speaker 2: thinking I was ever gonna play them. Yeah, just enjoying
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: them and you know, listening, so listening to it is different,
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  Speaker 2: actually really clever. Some of the things like the Ramones did,
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  Speaker 2: or the way they arrange the songs, or the amount
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: of times things happen or sometimes though into song with
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: the pre chorus and never go back to the chorus.
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  Speaker 2: Just cool. And I've been watching the Rainbow, the Rainbow
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  Speaker 2: Theater concert that was in England, and if you never
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: saw the Ramones you were in a fan, you have
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  Speaker 2: to watch that. Just be blown away.
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  Speaker 1: They're the great they They're one of the few bands
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  Speaker 1: that I don't think I probably never have to listen
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  Speaker 1: to again, just because I know the catalog so well.
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  Speaker 1: But anytime it comes on.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, so good.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's like rediscovering them, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And some of the songs that never got popular
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: like so good too, Like yeah, a lot of sleepers there.
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  Speaker 2: There's such an incredible band.
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  Speaker 1: Like a Van a Fair or something, oh the best.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: And Tommy Bean like the producer too, the drummer being
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: like the producer of that too. Like the sound of
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  Speaker 1: those right, especially that first record, the first three records,
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  Speaker 1: they're so good. The sound is amazing. You know who's
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: uh you're playing that with Billy Joe, right.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me, Billy Joe, Tim Armstrong and CJ Cool.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: How did how did the Tim Armstrong relationship come to be?
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: I was let me see, it was right after Inima
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: of the state and even before that though. So I
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: grew up in a place called Riverside, California. That's where
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: once I was like kind of on my own. I
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: was in the Riverside. I grew up in the Inland
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Empire like Fontana, sam Berdandino Corona. And I lived with
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  Speaker 2: my friend Bill Fold, who was also later the manager
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: of the Aquabats, who also started Coachella. But he ran
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: a promotion company out there and a little crew called
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: ninety eight Posse, and he promoted everything from raves to
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: punk shows, hardcore shows, clubs, everything. So I worked for
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  Speaker 2: Bill and just did whatever he needed me to do.
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  Speaker 2: And I used to see Tim come through the barn
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: to come to shows, and so I met him way
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: back and I was just some kid that passed out
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: flyers at the barn. And then after in him of
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: the state. I'd seen him a few times just around
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: and then I got a call on my phone and
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: was like, Yo, Dravit's Tim. I got this project. You
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: gotta be the drummer. I want you to play drums.
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  Speaker 2: You're my favorite drummer. Blah blah blah blah blah. And
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, WHOA. Tim Armstrong just called me said whatever,
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  Speaker 2: wance we play drums. I had. I remember I had
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: a seventy six El Dorado that could barely make it
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  Speaker 2: around Riverside and I drove it to La. I was like,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna drive to La. I'm gonna go see Tim.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: And then the next two days three days, we spent
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: recording the first Transplants album at his house. He had
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: a basement in his studio where drums were set up.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: There was like not even a light bulb in there.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It was like it was so it was just like
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that time was crazy. Tim was just learning how to
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: use pro tools and like producing. So we were going
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: bonkers with eight O eights and distorting them and probably
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: using them way too much. It was just like such
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: a cool experimental time. And we recorded that Transplants album
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and I don't know, drums were done in a day
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: or two.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Wow, do you know what gave Tim the idea to
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: do it? Because I really did come out of like
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: left field, you know what I mean at the time
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: at least.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, he was always he was from the Bay.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: He was always listening to rap music too, like from
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the Bay. Yeah, Like that was like one thing we
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: always had in common. And same with Skin. He had
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Robbed too. Once I met rob Like everyone was into
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: be Legit, like everyone was into mac Dre. Everyone loved
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: all the bass shit that was going on.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I was obsessed with drum and bass as well, like Goldie,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Tim was obsessed with drum and bass. And then that
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: was just the punk rock we were all raised on
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: and hardcore music we were all raised shown, and Transplants
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: was this crazy mixture of it all.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It's funny how diverse that scene was. I guess the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: difference is rancid growing up in the Bay late eighties
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: early nineties, getting to experience all these different you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: playing at clubs, and you know, Mac Drae might roll
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: up or too short or whatever. And then by the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: time like they get popular and the mid nineties or whatever,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole bunch of kids that are
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: just like locked in on that particular sound. Yeah, but
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: in hindsight, it's like, wow, so many of those bands
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: were all over the map in terms of what they
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: listened to and what they liked.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And for sure, I think back then not everyone was
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: really open to saying what they grew up on or
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: listened to, because I think it was still the time
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: where if you were in a punk band, people expected
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: you to only listen to punk rock music or just
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: kind of put you in a box, which was the
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: opposite of all three of us. And then you have
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Skinhead Rob, who was like a homie of times and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: would tour with them, who luckily had no rules. He
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: was like, fuck you, I'll talk about whatever I want,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I'll sing about whatever I want, and I'll listen to
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: whatever I want, you know. Yeah, So that was it
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: was just it was a good balance. You know.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen it since it happened,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: but there's a great interview with you and skinhead Rob
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: with Nardwar back in the day.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel bad, I yeah, cause I
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: didn't know who he was like now and I actually
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: love him now and I've seen all these interviews. I'm like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: what a sweet guy, you know, and I felt like
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a dick. But like Rob and I were really high
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: all the time, and I just was so caught off guard.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I had actually said to Drew, I was like, man,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: if I saw Nard War, I would want to apologize
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: and just be like, I actually love what you do.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And we were on a lot of drugs and we apologize.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: You know. It was just, yeah, a crazy time.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys get a redo, man, because that'd
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: be yeah, would be a fun. Oh.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: He's a genius, like all this shit he figures out
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: about people and all of the research he does. Like, yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I actually I admire what he does.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Even in an interview, you could tell part of you
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: was like super respected the stuff he was pulling up
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and pulling out. But you're kind of like, you're just
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: like because he pulled out, Like, man, we pulled out
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Remember, but he has he pulled something out on rop
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: like something like old school Rob, right, yeah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: We pulled out like a photo of him like in
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: college as part of like the Black Student Union in college.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, in high school, in high school.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: High school, Yeah, like a couple of like cool like
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: hardcore records and rap records like Rob was into. And
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: then it was like I can tell you guys were
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: kind of like it things like sick, but like what's
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: going Yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I think at the time too, it was like I
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: think I was especially on kind of like almost on
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: guard because like people it would be like, oh, you're
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: you're in Blink or you are are this or you
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: have a TV show whatever, so We're gonna try to
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: fuck with you, and I'd be like, no, you're not
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: watch this, you know what I mean. Like, and there
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: was like I just felt like I never really wanted
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: to do press back then because it felt like that,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I love music and I love being in
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a band, and I love touring, but all the other
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: stuff was I don't know. Sometimes it just makes you
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: feel not what you're meant to do, you know what
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I mean With.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Some of that, Because you guys got so big so quick.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: The press also, we never thought it was ever going
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to get big, like Blink, you gotta think like we're writing,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you know, pop punk songs that are about like girls
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: or friends or growing up. The banter that happens in
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: between songs. You think, there's no way this is going
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to work to the masses, you know, and it does.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And once it does, and we're playing bigger shows and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: we're no longer sleeping on people's floors or driving ourselves
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: around in a vand we're in shock, like we we
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: also don't think it's gonna last long, and we're just
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: sort of in disbelief, just you know, like that's not
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: why we started a band. You do start a band
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: and you hope that everyone hears your music. But we
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: never thought people would like our band like that. We
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: never thought it would be that big or pop radio
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: would embrace it. We're grateful. I'm grateful for all of it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: We're grateful for all of it. But do we ever
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: expect that to happen? Never?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: When did you? Because it's funny in the dock the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: label At some points, you guys downs, you don't make
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: more money than you ever thought you you know, and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you're going to be bigger and you're going to be
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: more popular. Just get ready, and you guys were like,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me, Like, no way.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: We were like you're high, Like there's no possible way. Yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: we just didn't believe it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Tom, I said that, Yeah, Tom, it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Was yeah, it was all. Uh, it was just like
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a dream, you know, you just never I don't know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: just waiting to be slapped and woke up.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You know, when did you realize they were right though?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: The label was right? Like when did that finally set in?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, everything was moving so fast. It was at
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: that time it was playing two or three shows a
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: day and flying from city to city. So we were
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, this is our dream times ten come true,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: so let's do it all. And we were unapologetically not
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: really switching shit around to be professional or doing anything else.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: We were just we just kept on going like we
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: were as we should. I don't know. It wasn't really
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: formula or it's not like we changed what we were
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: doing or got in with the new producer or got
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: in and with writers and wrote songs with people. We
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: just kept being ourselves and doing what we did. I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: think after Enema we did try to take ourselves a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: little more seriously with like take up your pants and Jacket,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: So it's a slightly darker album, a little more technical. Yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: but I think we really wanted to prove to everyone
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: we weren't this pop band that some people mistaked us
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: for a pop band because we made fun of all
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the pop bands. Believe it or not, they never knew that.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: We grew up like, you know, touring with the Descendants
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: or Penny Wise or whatever bands like playing punk shows.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: They were like, they're the Backstreet Boys, but they played
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: guitars because the video where we made fun of the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Backstreet Boys and and sync. So that was really that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: was weird.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: That was that's.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Wild to think people didn't get the joke and they
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: thought we were that you know angers.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I guess you know too, like funny enough, Like it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was sort of you guys came along like the end
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of like the like if like Nirvana broke things open
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: again for rock music. It's like you guys kind of
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: came out the end of that wave and it got eaten.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And when all like the infrastructure was built for like
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the boy bands and stuff, so like all of a sudden,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you're on K rock and then you're on TRL like
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's the only other
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: place to go with TRL with the Backstreet where the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Backs was on the next day or whatever, you know
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to think back to the time. It
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was like Backstreet Boys and in Sync were popular, and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Blink was popular and like Limp Biscuit.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It was a crazy time, you know. DMX. I remember
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: doing stuff in DMX was around, and I was like, oh,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: DMX is so hard, you know, like I would be obsessed.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: We'd be doing like MTV things with them whatever. So yeah,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: it was like I guess it's natural to people to push,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you know, just kind of group things together.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's also where the DMX was as big
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: as he was, and you like think about it, like, yeah,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean for him to also be
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like put on the same bill as our show was
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like a Britney space like what.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Like damn Max, Like it was like the height of MTV.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: That's what they did.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, which is kind of fun, which is
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: cool fun. Yeah, you think about it now, it's like incredible.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: There's so many weird little moments and yeah, and even
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Brad from Rage, Yeah.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: When I climbed the thing. Yeah, those were the days though,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: man like MTV was jamming right then, you know it was.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: It was really cool. That's like the first time I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: met Wayne was an MTV show like with Hotboys, So
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: There was like like a Hotboys are Wayne Wow? Hard Wow.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was in Vegas and it was some MTV
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like you know how they used to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: do spring Break, but it wasn't quite spring Break. It
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: was like at the hard Rock and Blink was playing
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: with Hot Boys, and I just remember like meeting Wayne,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: like we said what's up to each other? And Wayne
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: was like sagging past like his boxer line, and I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: was like hard, Like, you know. The good thing about
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: MTV and even radio shows and stuff when you play
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: them is you'd be around a bunch of bands you're
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: not normally around, which was cool. Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Hearing you talk about how it all happened in your
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: interpretation of it or how you experienced it like versus
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: like how it almost seemed planned just because it did
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: happen so fast. But then also it felt like you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: guys were pretty had it together, like even having your
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: brand famous stars and straps, like I almost felt like
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that was just ready to go, you know what I mean,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: or maybe it was already happening anyways behind the scenes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: But now I was in a small little graffiti crew
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: called Vultron Crew, and we used to just get up
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: wherever out in the Empire where I lived. And then
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: one day I was like, man, it'd be cool if
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: we you know, no one's gonna buy our Vultron cruise shit,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you know that could they don't they can't wear it
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And at the time you were either skateboarding
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: or you were at the end of BMX, or you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you were like it was nostalgic and you'd love BMX,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: or you'd listen to punk rock, or you'd love like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Wu Tang Clan. It was like jamming right then. But
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: there was nothing that was lifestyle for like kids or
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: for anyone that grew up. I grew up break dancing,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I grew up like listening to the Beastie Boys, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I also grew up skateboarding and listening to Slayer. So
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, what if there was a brand that
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: just could represent it all? And that's when I started famous.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Actually didn't take a check from Audio and Hurley, who
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: were starting brands at the time. The shoe Yeah, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: they were like, you know, paying bands to wear their stuff.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I said no, and I said, I'm going to start
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: my own brandow. And that's how I started famous.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know obviously,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: didn't think no it was gonna work or if it
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: was gonna work. Just took a risk and just started something,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: just like how you start a band.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: But that was that was as a mother state was
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: rolling out.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right before I was just printing my own T shirts.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Had a little warehouse where I would like play and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: people would I had a little it was before it
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: was a store, a little spot where all the bands
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: where I grew up could go and rehearse, and just
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: a little community, like a little collective. And then I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: just started screenprinting T shirts out of there Wow, putting
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: them up everywhere I went. I'd just go skateboarding, leave
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: with a thousand stickers, come home with none. That was
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: how I started it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: What was Mark and Tom's read on it at the time?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Where were they even paying attention to that?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And they were like cool, You're like you know what
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like they would wear it too, and yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: it was just a reflection of what I was doing
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: where I was living, Like how I grew up. Combination
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: of skateboarding, punk rock, hip hop, tattoos was just like
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a lifestyle brand. Yeah, because I felt I at the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: time Bob Hurley had started Bob Hurley who was He
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: was the person who owned the license for Billabong and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I loved Bob, but I was in a surfer I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: surfed a little bit when I was a trash man
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: in Laguna, but I couldn't call myself a surfer or
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I feel comfortable wearing surf gear. You know. I wasn't
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: quite skateboarding all the time, and skateboarding has always been
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: very really strict if you're not like a hardcore.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Skateboarder, like punk rock just like you're a skateboarder.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, I grew up skateboarding, but I
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: feel kind of weird just wearing like hardcore skate stuff.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And that's why I started famous, and I felt like
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: it just embodied everything I loved.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, And are you still involved with it, dad, like
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: day to day and all that?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had built it to this huge place and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it was it was like out of control for me.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I had no education in how how to build a
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: brand or manage a brand. Once it was built, it
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: was a sixty seventy million dollar brand, and I was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: getting offers from Tommy Hill figure like Puff called at
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: one point was like, yeah, I want to buy your brand,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, no fucking way is anyone buying my
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: brand because I know what they're going to do to it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And it's not like it's my it's something it's really
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: precious to me, you know what I mean that I
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: built with this little crew of people that I mean,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: that's why people build brands now, right, is to like
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: sell it off. But I was so passionate about it
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and it was my DNA that I just couldn't let
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: go of it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: It's so wild. It's just wild that you had like
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the prescien It's like you kint like I mean, I'm
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: sure you've heard it a million times, but similar to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you know, you know you're married into the Kardashian family now,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: but like you kind of like and they're obviously business geniuses.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I had that playbook just by intuition early on. You know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: it seems like it just came natural, like brand extension
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: of you TV show music. It just it felt like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you were kind of owning all your lanes, which is
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: was It's like that now, it's like, of course, like
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that's the plan everyone runs, but you just sort of
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: lucked into.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It, and I have a hard time. Like I'm very
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: different too than them. The girls are so smart and
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: like my wife and her sisters are. They're yeah, they're
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: they're the best, and they have cool brands and stuff.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Mine came from a self expression creative outlet. Yeah, so
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I never thought I had no business sense really. You know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it was making money, but I was just as much
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: as it was making money, I had to put money
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: back into it to go make the product, to fulfill
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the orders. And it's just me and my homies, like
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: we don't know what the fuck we're doing. We're in
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: over our head. I'm hiring childhood friends to help me.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure it out, you know. So
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that's that's kind of like where I came from with
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: doing it, and I've learned over the years it's something
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: that's easier to maintain if it's like more core, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I kind of don't want it to get too out
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: of control, you know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, man, I'm Glad it's still around, Glad
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to sell it and feels like it's bigger than ever though,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm very grateful and it's just feels
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: authentic to me.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: You know, how was the label experience early on where
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you started your own LaSalle? Yeah?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I remember I signed The kinnison and I was super into.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: The Kinnison's first EP that is Mortgage or Mortgagees, Mortgages
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Bank or whatever it was called. It was incredible and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I remember hearing like, oh, Travis Barker signed them have
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to do an album. I was like, woh shit, And
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that was a great album too, you.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Know, thank you. Yeah, they're great. Yeah, I mean it
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: was around the time Blink was going crazy and different
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: people approached me for different like business ideas and yo,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you want to start a label. But yeah, I signed
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the Kinnison, the Nervous Return, got to take some of
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: them on tour with me. It was a lot of fun.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I now have DTA Records and I just signed this
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: band called the Vanity that are really really great vanity
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: band and yeah, a female fronted singer names Billy. She's there.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: They're awesome. They're like David Bowie. Queen meets Mike Kim
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: panic at the disco, but like female fronted and she's
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: like a star. She's awesome.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: That's rad. Are you producing them?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: No? I I love what they're doing all by themselves.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, hands off that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love, I love. I love what's happening right now.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: That's raight.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about you your work as a producer, and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like how that you've grown into that. It feels like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: that also started started. It's funny because it started more
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: on rap, right, Like, Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I got Skinhead Rob around the time of the Transplants
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: hit me, and he said, Bun Bun needs a beat
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: for his album. Yeah, and I'm like okay, And I said,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: well ship Rob. Uh, he's gonna send me a beat
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and he just needs drums. He's like, nah, he wants
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you to do the beat. Uh, you got to turn
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: it in tomorrow. So I just locked in and I
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: if you listen, it's called Late Night Creeping. It's on
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like Bun's solo album and uh, and I I figured
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: out how to make a beat with mostly organic like drum,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: drums and percussion. Uh, and then got a nine O
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: nine and just added some other things in there in
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: some sense. But I delivered bun a beat you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the next day, and he wrapped on it and it
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: was it was killer. I was like stoked. And then
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: from there it was I don't know, just everyone whoever
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: won the beats, like like skinhed Rob and Dammu had
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a project and I did all their stuff. Uh did
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: stuff with like too Short, did stuff with Wayne, did
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: stuff with Game. It just that's all I was into
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: at the time, you know, I think Blink was taking
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a break, so I was either playing with like different artists,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: like played like the bet Awards with t I uh and.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Produced on his on his second album.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: And when I wasn't out playing with artists or playing
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: with am at the time, I'd be like making beats.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I'd just be locked in twenty four to seven making beats.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: When's the first time he produced a rock band.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but it seemed so on the nose.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't do it for a long time. Yeah, Uh,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I think the first time I did it was I
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: helped I helped Kels MGK with uh. I think I'm okay.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: And then he was like yo, can we get in
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and see if we could do that again and see
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: if it works if I got more in me? And
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: we did, and that's when we wrote Bloody Valentine and
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: we uh started on what would be Tickets to My Downfall.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's the first time you produced rock music.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was more interesting to me to do
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: something I didn't do all the time, right, and it
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: just seemed too easy or too on the nose, not
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: sounding like like cocky, It just seemed like I don't know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to do that or
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: people want me to do that, meaning like do they
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: want me to do anything that's so close to like
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: what my band does for other people, you know? And
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: then I did it and I loved it, Like Tickets
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: to My Downfall was like my like a project. I
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: loved like it was my own Winkels. And same time
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: around the time of COVID where we just locked in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and zero distractions and felt like made an incredible body
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: of work.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And since then you have been doing like a bunch
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of like bands as well. And the Blink the Last
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Blink record.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I produced the Last Blink record produce an Alkaline
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: ep had just finished their album, Did a Yellow Card album?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Did a horror album? Yeah? A bunch of stuff.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: It's rad Are you doing the new Blink album too?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Or we haven't even started yet. I think we're just
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: gonna start writing and see what happens.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: What are the songs floating around or like from the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: last album or anything?
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Or there isn't There's a couple that I had pitched,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: like to the guys, but they ended up. You know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: when like I have stuff sitting around and I play
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: for someone and then if it doesn't, if we don't
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: use it for a Blink album, I automatically none of
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the top line usually, but everything else I bring to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: another project I'm doing. So on the Yellow Card album,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: there's three songs that would have been Blink songs. Damn Yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Did they hear them after? Did they hear him on
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the Yellow Card album? No?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: One of them. Actually Mark guested on it because Mark's like,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I love that song. So Mark guested on it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Why didn't it Why wasn't it a Blink song?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Just sometimes you know, for whatever reason, I don't know
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: if it was the end of the writing cycle and
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: we were just done recording or whatever happened, But Yeah, I.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Was working with Did you did you learn much from
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Jerry Finn because he was like, learned so much from him. Yeah,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: tell me about that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I was never in my head thinking I was ever
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: going to produce or I could even be capable of producing.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: But while he was alive and while I spent time
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: with him, there was so many things I learned just
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: from being in the studio with them, you know, everything
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: from like he was very adamant about what snare drum
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: you used on on what songs and how to how
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to find the snare drum for what tempo the song
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: was was really big. Guitar sounds and guitars were really
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: big arrangement ideas. Jerry was awesome.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: From the first album you did with them, from Undom
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: on the stage. Yeah, were you with the band when
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you guys hired him?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got in the band they were touring
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Dude Ranch And it's a different, I mean different style
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: of producing because all with the band, most of the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: songs were already written right and during that time bands
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you would write all your songs in a rehearsal studio,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: have them well rehearsed, then go in the studio and
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: record them in of the State. I think that was
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the album where I went in. I did the drums
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: in about six or seven hours, and then I left
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: on a tour with the Vandals to go play drums
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: for the Vandals, and then for the next two months
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: three months, Tom and Mark recorded guitars, bass, and vocals.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: But the songs were already written. It's just a matter
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: of getting your performances right.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So you were able to do it in six or
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: seven hours.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: All the drum tracking, yeah, because you would sometimes even
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: switch studios to do guitars because you don't need the
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: drum room anymore, right, So yeah, I would drink a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: bunch of coffee, smoke a bunch of cigarettes, and yeah,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: record my drum parts.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You're jamming on that album? Yeah, man, like you're driving
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: on that one.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: That was such a fun album, and I think I
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: wanted to be extra good. I mean, I knew Jerry
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Finn's producing it or recording it like I did. I
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: didn't even understand what producer was at that point. I
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: was just like, Yo, I'm gonna go in and kill it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: It's also it's my first album I record with the guys.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be on my A game.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listening back to listening back to back to a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: bunch of blink, there are parts of big songs, even
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: like what's My Age Again, and all the small things.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Listening back, there's like the breakdowns and the pre courses
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the first things I think of when I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: think of those songs, But listening back, I'm like, wow,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: those are a big part of each of those songs,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and you really are doing a lot to carry those
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: sections rhythmically, Like there's a lot of interesting stuff happening.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And once My Age again, Like the bridge is actually
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: kind of like kind of sad. It's almost like sad,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like an Adam song sad. Yeah, the rest of the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: song is like really, I actually never really noticed since
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I was listening to talk to you. I was like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: it's a really weird song in that way, like it's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: super like funny and upbeat and like whatever, and then
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: it's just like there's this really kind of sad bridge
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well because it is instrumental, and instrumental bridge
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: just musical and it's a downbridge, so it gets quiet
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and it's like kind of pretty sad chords and then
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: it goes back to being happy again. Yeah, and all
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the small things is yeah. I mean sometimes they gave
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: me a lot of freedom to just experiment because they
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: would usually say like, look, we're not gonna do guitar
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: solos and we don't know what happens in this part.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Just do something cool, do something weird, you know. Tom
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: would say, do some of that crazy shit whatever, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: that usually meant do something offbeat or some Latin inspired
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: groove or whatever. You know. Yeah, and it was exciting
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: for me because I grew up playing, like, you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: studying Latin music and learning Boston nova's and sambas and
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: whatever else. So I would incorporate that into Blink songs,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: you know, dys and Terry Gary is Latin drums, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: which was just me, you know, Tom going do crazy
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: shit and I'm like, okay, Tom, here's some Latin stuff whatever.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Did you think that they would keep that stuff or
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that that would work on those songs necessarily?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Even Yeah, I mean everything was written, so I knew
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: in the rehearsal room they'd be like, oh, yeah, that's fire,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: do that, that's cool, you know, So I knew that
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: was like my party, you know. Yeah, it's it's so
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: different now because a lot of people will write in
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the studio. You're writing in the studio, you're creating, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: you're kind of doing it just like you would in
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a rehearsal room, but it's straight to pro tools or
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: however you're recording. I'm still a big believer in playing though,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: like playing all together, because you could you could pretend
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: you know the arrangement or how things go and record
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: it into pro tools and all play separate, or you
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: could actually play all together and figure out the song
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: way quicker because you feel what's right, and you feel
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: what's not right. You feel when parts go on too long,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you feel when tempos are off. And I love that.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: That's rad I want. I want to ask you what
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to take off your pants? And Jack too. But when
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I was listening him back at the thought because I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: always love the song Aliens Exist. But when when Tom
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: brought that song in at the time, were you aware
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: that he was as into aliens?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, from from the from the jump. When I when
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I first got in the band, we would he'd be
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: we'd get high and he'd be like, come sit on
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: the couch and the bus let's look out the window
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and we'd be looking for aliens on tour, you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: like or he'd be telling me he was always doing
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: deep dives and aliens and UFOs and Bigfoot. That's from
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the jump, like from nineteen ninety nine when I joined
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the band.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Was it and we like just humoring him from the beginning.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I feel like it was a little
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: easier for me to, uh to just like entertain it
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: because I was high, you know so, But yeah, I
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: mean to this day, to this day, I could see
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: him ten minutes before we go on, and that's what
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: he's talking to me about.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I wish man, I wish I could.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I wish I could take that ride, you know.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's like, I love mixed martial arts and like
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: that's my escape from music. Not like I need an escape,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: but it's just like that breadth of fresh air that
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: it everything from, like the discipline and the hard work
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: that goes into it and the competitiveness everything. I love everything.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: That's how aliens are for him, you know what I mean.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: The funny thing is, though, like I feel like martial
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: arts is like whatever you're practicing in martial arts, it
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: kind of transfers to music too, like, yeah, it helps
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the rhythm whatever the alien shit is.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, it's wild.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: That's so funny, man, take Off your Pants and Jacket
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to how you guys wanted to
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: do something a little different for that, But listening back
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: after like having not listened to it in a while,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I was shocked at like how many incredibly great hooky
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: songs you guys came out like back around with like
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I mean almost immediately, you know, like and it's probably
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: a stronger album than this, but it has all of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the it retains all of the I think everything that
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: hooked everyone about that album and then just like took
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it to the next level.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, I think yeah. That was the pressure
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: of recording Take Off Your Pants is can you guys
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: do it again? Can you follow up? And will it
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: be as big or bigger? The story is is we
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: turned in the album and it didn't have First Date
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: on it, it didn't have rock Show, it didn't have
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Stay Together, and everyone was kind of looking at a
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: sideways being like yo, where's the hits? Like where's the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: what's my age again? Where's the all the small things?
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: So we literally went in two days later came out
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: with First Date, Rock Show, and Stay Together. I think
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: those were the three shows three songs that we added
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to it last minute. But yeah, they actually didn't think
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the album was complete and they were like, yo, you're
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: missing like strong, strong songs or like hits. So that
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that's what we came back with.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Wow. I mean I think there's still our hits on
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that with those ticket.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah mole to this day, you know, we
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: just celebrated in an anniversary for it. Like even my
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: son just hit me the other day, he's like, Dad,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I just got take off your pants and jacket. I never,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I never. I never got the joke. And I was like,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: you gotta be kidding me. And there's also adults that
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I know that have no idea, like they don't they
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: didn't get the joke.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You know, it was. It's the smoothest thing. Cause I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: remember that era, for instance, trying to go get the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Chronic two thousand and one and get my parents to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: buy it and they like, they're like, I'm down, Like
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and they saw the chronically, They're like no, they ain't
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: gonna like yeah, but take off your parts and jacket
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: if you wanted to go cop that. It was like, oh, yeah,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: like you have no problem, but.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: And your parents don't get the joke just totally off
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the head.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: It was like brilliant, you know, and the different versions
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of it. It was such a big event album at
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the time, you know. Yeah, and to have that joke
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: planned raid.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's like blank humor disguised.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to ask you about scenes because you
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: came out of a pretty strong scene in Land Empire.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You moved to Orange County Cluna Beach that also had
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a pretty strong scene, eventually moved to La. You grew
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: up at a time with a really strong regional scenes
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and bands affiliated with those things. And I'm curious how
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: much that brought to you as a musician and if
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you feel like that, if you miss.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: That, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't exist in the same
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: way right like a scene still exists. Hardcore music is
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: so popular right now, it's so cool. It reminds me
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: of sort of like the punk rock scene I grew
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: up being a part of. Just by the time I
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: had moved to Riverside. Even when I was a kid,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: like I played Spanky's Cafe, like anyone who knows Riverside
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: knows Spanky's Cafe was legendary. Everyone from you know, No
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Doubt played there. When I was a kid. They were
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: in Battle of the Bands with my band Jinx I
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: was in, which was like a kind of like a
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: rock metal band. Fire Hose would play there a minute
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: men like four one one down set. All these amazing
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: bands would play Spankys. And then we had the showcase
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: theater where I grew up. We had the barn. I
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: saw everyone from you know, face to face to like
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Voodoo Goal Skulls who were like hometown heroes where I
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: grew up, and the scene was so just vibrant and alive,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: like every Friday, Saturday and Sunday you could go to
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: a punk rock show. You could see the specials, you
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: could see madness, you could see sick of it all,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: you could whatever. You know. It was like it was
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: so it was so cool.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And local bands would open up for some of you know.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, any of those big bands came to town.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: You knew if if whoever bad religion was coming to town,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: you knew they were picking openers for it. I mean,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that was actually my job at ninety eight posse was
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: to pick what bands would open for whoever Lagwagon when
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: they would come, who would Who's going to open for
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the Myss. So I would listen to demos and you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: just do my research on bands. But that was like
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: my dream was right in front of me. I got
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to see it. That's all I wanted to do. You know.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: At the time, I wasn't I wasn't booked at any
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: of those spots. I wasn't playing any of those venues.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: It was it was right there, though, and it was
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: like something I could obsess over and and and work
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: hard and practice every day in hopes that I could
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: be one of those bands that are playing one of
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: those shows.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible, man, Yeah it was.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: It was cool.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't until the Aquabats that you got to
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: play like Showcase theater.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Well, Feeble we played. We played some shows. That's how
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I met Chad from BHR who was also in the Aquabats.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Like he had a scop new wave band too, so
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: that's how I met him. But yeah, Feeble would play around.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: We would play like punk shows and we were trashmen
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: in Laguna Beach, so we would also play local spots.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: In the Gunna that weren't punk clubs or bars, but
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: we would play our music there and everyone would come out.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: That's how I first met Taylor Hawkins. That's uh, yeah,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: where our friendships started.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: So were you warmly received in Laguna?
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes hard on outsiders.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I mean I was definitely nine or nine. I was
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: wearing dickies to the beach. They were like, what dickies
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: to the beach? High ass socks. I stuck out like
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: a sore thumb. But I think that's also why they
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: liked me, because I wasn't trying to pretend I was
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: from there. You know, everyone there, like Noel who who
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: invited me out there, who was the singer of Feeble,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: was extremely generous and hospitable, and Taylor Hawkins welcomed me
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: with open arms and was so supportive, even like our
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: trash crew, like the people I worked were out there
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: were really nice. Yeah, I'd never really been anywhere like
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Laguna Beach where I grew up. It wasn't like Laguna Beach.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Laguna Beach was like Disneyland or like fairy Tale vibes.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't even believe it was real. I'm like, wait,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: this place exists, you know, and I was probably doing
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: like a job that most people wouldn't want to do.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know what I mean, youah be
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: a trash man. And and uh it was like probably
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the best time of my life because you're in paradise. Yeah,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I was in Paradise picking up trash. I wasn't I
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: wasn't tripping. It was it was nice.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: That's amazing, man, What wasn't Why Why did you end
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: up moving to LA because you uh and what like
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: how did that happen?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Because so I was I was playing in Blink and
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I was in Riverside, Corona and then around the time
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: transplants started. Uh my my kid's mom at the time
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: was pregnant. Landing in Alabama's mom Shane, and was pregnant.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: So I moved LA because I wanted to be there
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: at twenty four to seven.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Did it take a while to like settle in to
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that move or.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I was doing the same things you put me anywhere.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the same things. I'm gonna I'm gonna run,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna play drums, I'm gonna make music. You know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: you could transplant me anywhere and nothing's gonna change.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: That's probably that's probably why everything you do work, Yeah, thankfully,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: because you put a lot of disparate pieces together, man,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: like you know, producing bumb records, sign in the Keenness
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: and blink, you know, opabus. Like you think about your career,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: it's really it's hard to hold. It's hard to even
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: think about talking to you about it sometimes because it's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: like there's so much, such a variety of things, man,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was just doing things like I
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: felt connected with or I felt passionate about her, I
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: knew like I loved. Yeah, it gives me anxiety to
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: think back if like you know, some people were like, dude,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I wish I could go back to when I was
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: like thirty five or whatever, and I'm like, no, I don't. Like,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy with every decision I made, even the
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: bad ones, and I'm just so for fortunate and so grateful,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: especially my musical journey, you know, playing with everyone I've
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: played with and the records I've gotten to make, and yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like the tours I've done at everything. Everything, I'm just yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: What I'm curious about before I lets you go, is
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: like if just a scenario of the Doris' hypothetical. Like
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: if I were to say, Hey, we're going to track
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: and hear in like two hours, pick a kit, rig
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: it like you know, kit it out how you want,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: tune it how you want, Like, how would you set
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: up a drum kit from scratch?
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: My kid is the smallest kid anyone would have to
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: set up. I grew up setting up my own drum kit, obviously,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and I figured out from a young age I didn't
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: want to haul around a bunch of drums. So my
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: kid is a four piece drum kit and it has
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: three symbols, and I don't need anything more than that.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I'll never need anything more than that. Uh. The goal
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: is to sound really big on like a really small kit.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: So like even the trip I just went on, it's like, yo,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I'm setting up the smallest practice kit and that's all
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I need. So it never changes really wow. Yeah, I
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: always say, like, small kit, big sound. You know, that's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the goal.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: That's been your kit since before Blink, since I started gigging.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like since since the feeble days. It's never changed,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I think once or twice. I think there was a
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: time right before the self titled album that we put
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: a gong behind me because Gilgin gave me a gong
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and I was so excited, and Alex van Halen had
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: a gong and some of the John Bonham had a gong,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm gonna get a fucking gong
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: and I put it behind me. But I never wanted
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: to lug that around?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Did you use it?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: And I also felt like a dork making my drum
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: tech lug it around. I'm like, I wouldn't want to
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: lug it around. Why am I gonna make him do it?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: So I've always just mint I just try to keep
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: keep things minimal simple.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Do you sit down and try to tune things that? Certainly,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like if you have to sit down at someone else's
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: kid and you're able to ask it a bit, how
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: do you like? What do you what sound are you
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: trying to get out of? You know?
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, I guess it's like cooking, you know, like you
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: know what you want to add or you don't want
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: to add same thing with Like depends what I'm doing too.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Some things call for my tom's being tuned higher, some
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: things call for them to be muffled. Uh, Lately, depending
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: on what I'm doing but like big fast snare drum
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: makes these these dampers for your kit that are amazing
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that just makes everything sound like a like a seventies
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: record or like Adilla record. Like the drums aren't too noisy,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: they don't feel too alive. Almost can disguise live drums
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: to be programmed if they're played right, you know what
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I mean? Yeah, Like, yeah, it's it's my favorite.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: That's sick using those lot.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I use them a lot. Yeah.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Wow. What's the story of the pop disastertor from your perspective?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Because it feels like that's the thing fans are always
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: interested in. And green Day has one version of events,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Marking his book had another version or what is it.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I guess someone called someone to put the tour together.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: And green Day's intent, they say secretly, was to like
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: blow blink off the stage like they felt threatened almost
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: by you guys. And in Mark's book, he's like, yeah,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: we thought we were just gonna go on tour with
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the band that was like like we looked up to
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and like we're like, you know, we were just kind
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: of getting to be big like they were, and we
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: thought it'd be like fun and we're supposed to co headline,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: but then like they seemed like they were pissed and
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: didn't like us or something, and so it feels like,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like there's two different perspectives on.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: It, but I think I had a different experience probably.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: I mean at the time, Blink was big, you know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: and I think Green Day might have been in like
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: hibernation mode or writing or something. And then I know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: internally as a band, we always said it'd be cool
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: if us in Green Day tour, it'd be crazy, you know.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I think the world always tries to pinnis against each other.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: You know. The truth is, Blink didn't even practice for
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: that tour. We didn't. We would never pra we would.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: We would go out on tour not even practice. Once
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: we went out there and we didn't even have a
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: fucking banner, Okay, and we got out there and Green
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Day had Piro and like crazy shit. That's how that's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: how like inexperienced we kind of were as a band,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: right like we're just like, yo, we're gonna go up
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: and play those songs like we've always played, like we
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: did at the club. I think that tour for me
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: and if I had to speak for our band, was
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: like a good, uh like eye opening experience of like, oh,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: you play different when you go out and you play
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: big arenas and you play big amphitheaters. We should have
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: a banner, we should have production. I think that was
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: our tour where we had that realization, you know, as
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: far as personalities with the band. So I have a like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: my this is like what my dressing room looks like
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: with but instead of guitars and drums. So every day
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I'd be in there practicing, playing, making something, even bring
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: out a little studio. Billy Joe started coming into my
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: room every day. I was like, can I jam with you?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: And I said yeah, of course. We would jam every
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: day at that tour, like maybe a week into it
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: then like Mike brought the bassamp in and me, Billy
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Joe and sometimes Mike would be jamming every day.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Just making stuff up, just jamming.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, to the point where Tom was like, hey,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: what's going on here? Like what are you guys doing?
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: And I'd be like, we're just jamming, Like he'd you know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: he knows I'm jamming whatever, so we're just jamming. He's like, fuck, man,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I want to jam and I'm like, come in jamm
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: any time. That's kind of how box Car happened, really, Yeah, out.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Of the jams that were happening in your dressing room.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think like me jamming with Billy all
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the time inspired Tom to be like, I'm gonna come
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: in and bring a guitar. We should jam sometime. So yeah,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: so there's never been like, yeah, I've never I remember
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: one time I was on tour with Yellowolf and I
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: ran into the Green Day guys and there are nothing
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: but nice. Like honestly, they've never been anything but cool
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: to me in person. And yeah, and yeah they're they're
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: they're badass. They're a great band.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Did you record any of that stuff you were doing
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: with Billy?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, it might no, but we're gonna play this
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: thing together. So that's gonna be exciting, you know.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's that boy? What's the deal? What's the story
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: on that?
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: It's at Hollywood Forever, at the cemetery for Ramone's fiftieth anniversary.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, amazing, man, I'm gonna try to come out to Yeah,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be cool. It sounds fun. Man. I appreciate
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: you taking the time. Man. Yeah, talking music with you forever.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, same man.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for checking out Broken Record on YouTube.
• 59:53
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• 59:54
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• 59:57
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