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The Kenny Report | 28 April · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another week on the Kenny Report,
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Speaker 1: the final week of this election campaign. And tonight from
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Speaker 1: Russia with Love. Apparently Labor knew about Russia's overtures to
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Speaker 1: Indonesia all along, so why have they lied about it?
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Speaker 1: Tonight I'll be joined live by Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 1: And what about the six hundred billion dollar lie on
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Speaker 1: energy costs that Labor uses as the basis for most
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Speaker 1: of its scare campaigns. Isn't it time to fess up?
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Speaker 1: I'll tackle media bias too, especially at the ABC, and
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Speaker 1: we'll hear from Shadow Health Minister Anne Rustin. Also polling
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Speaker 1: analysis from John Black, the campaign trail along the Way
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Speaker 1: with Gemma, Tonyini and Caroline Derusso as well, we'll check
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Speaker 1: in on the price of eggs and the cost of electricity.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Five days now till election day.
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Speaker 1: The polls are with terribly low primary votes for both
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Speaker 1: major parties, less than half the population believing that Labour
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Speaker 1: deserves to be re elected, but more than half believing
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Speaker 1: the coalition isn't ready. If the polls are right, Labor
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Speaker 1: is on track to be returned, perhaps in minority, but
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Speaker 1: also possibly with a narrow majority. More than two million
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Speaker 1: Australians have already cast their votes, but about fifteen million
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Speaker 1: more votes are yet to come. So this last week
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Speaker 1: remains crucial and we kick it off today with the
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Speaker 1: stunning revelation that Labor has been lying to the public
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Speaker 1: about a critical national security issue. Earlier this month, international
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Speaker 1: news broke about Russia seeking debase military aircraft permanently in Indonesia.
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Speaker 1: Instead of addressing the issue, Anthony Albanezi seized on a
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Speaker 1: misstatement by Peter Dutton, attributing the story to a statement
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Speaker 1: from the Indonesian president rather than a deeply sourced report.
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Speaker 1: So the Prime Minister just mocked the coalition and said
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Speaker 1: there was nothing to see.
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Speaker 3: Why didn't Labour know about something that is not happening.
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Speaker 3: That is the question that has been asked. It's not happening.
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Speaker 3: There's not a base. There was no statement from the
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Speaker 3: Indonesian president, no statement from the Indonesian Defense Minister, no
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Speaker 3: statement from the Indonesian Foreign Minister.
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Speaker 1: As the reports about Russia's ambitions continued to stack up,
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Speaker 1: the Coalition repeatedly requested a security briefing on the issue,
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Speaker 1: something that should happen automatically under caretaker provisions. But the
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Speaker 1: alban Easy Labor government refused and again mocked the very
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Speaker 1: idea that Russia was looking at such a worrying presence
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Speaker 1: in our region.
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Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be an act of good faith to just
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Speaker 4: give them a briefing on it?
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Speaker 5: Well, Andrew, the opposition is asking for a briefing on
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Speaker 5: something that doesn't exist. I mean they might as well
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Speaker 5: ask for a briefing on the Lockness monster. This is
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Speaker 5: something that doesn't exist that they fabricated.
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Speaker 1: You could hardly be more scoffing. But today the Australian
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Speaker 1: newspaper has revealed that the government has known about this
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Speaker 1: request from Russia to Indonesia since March. The knowledge came
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Speaker 1: about because of a meeting between Indonesia's defense minister and
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Speaker 1: a senior Russian official in February. So the Albanezy Labor
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Speaker 1: government has known about this concerning development in our region
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Speaker 1: since before the election was called, Yet it has downplayed
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Speaker 1: the issue, refused opposition requests for a briefing and pretended
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Speaker 1: there is nothing to see.
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Speaker 3: I'm waiting for them to ask for a briefing on
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Speaker 3: who faked the moonlanding?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as true as a faked moon landing. Pretty funny. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Yet today we know not only that the Russian proposal
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Speaker 1: was serious and made at a senior level, but the
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Speaker 1: labor has known about it for two months. The Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister refused to deal with the issue today.
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Speaker 6: When and what in March were you told about the
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Speaker 6: Russian request for airbase success in Indonesia.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, I don't go through again. I refer to
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Speaker 3: my previous answer. What adults do on intelligence is received
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Speaker 3: them and not do it conduct it through the media.
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Speaker 1: What we know, what I.
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Speaker 6: Spoke about the importance of transparency.
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Speaker 3: What we know is I'm sorry, but adults, adults when
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Speaker 3: it comes to intelligence, act like adults.
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Speaker 7: It's not transparent, it's not honest, and it is acting
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Speaker 7: against our national interests when they're not providing the information
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Speaker 7: that Austrains should be informed on.
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Speaker 1: National security should be a major issue at this election,
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Speaker 1: given the pathetic way that Albanezi has cowtowed to China
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Speaker 1: even as it's conducted live firing exercises in the Tasman Seed,
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Speaker 1: not to mention the personnel and equipment crises in our
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Speaker 1: Defense Force and Labour's pledge to send peacekeeping troops to
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Speaker 1: Ukraine if a truce is struck. I'll speak with Shadow
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Speaker 1: Defense Minister Andrew Hasty live in just a moment while
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Speaker 1: we're on honesty. Perhaps Labour's biggest lie in this campaign
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Speaker 1: is one they've repeated daily and which dominates their advertising.
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Speaker 1: Labor has pretended that the coalition's nuclear energy plan will
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Speaker 1: cost six hundred billion dollars, which is about five times
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Speaker 1: more than the reality.
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Speaker 5: The money for Peter dutton six hundred billion dollar nuclear
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Speaker 5: plan has to come from somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Now. Labour knows this is wrong, as we've kept telling
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Speaker 1: you here. The fig leaf that they hang this campaign
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Speaker 1: on is a claim by the renewable energy lobby outfit
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Speaker 1: the Smart Energy Counts, all closely linked to Labor, that
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Speaker 1: floated an argument based on exaggerations and dodgy numbers that
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Speaker 1: the coalition plan could cost anyway anywhere from just over
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Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars to six hundred billion. It's complete nonsense,
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Speaker 1: and the Coalition is getting frustrated by the constant lies.
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Speaker 8: New people don't seem to listen. And I went to
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Speaker 8: the National Press Club and I made it very clear.
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Speaker 8: Our total greed at mixed grid is three hundred and
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Speaker 8: thirty one billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: So we thought you respect, I don't know how many.
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Speaker 1: Due respect And he said one hundred and forty billion.
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Speaker 1: So you know, where's your question to him?
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Speaker 8: But hold on, Laura, where's your question to the Prime
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Speaker 8: minister today?
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Speaker 2: Is to challenge him about the six hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 8: I think it's time that the fourth Estate holds this
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Speaker 8: Prime minister it account.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, the media should be more diligent in calling
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Speaker 1: out labor lies. They seem often to be only interested
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Speaker 1: in running labor lines away from sky. But it's also
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Speaker 1: up to the coalition to go harder and stronger earlier
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Speaker 1: calling this stuff out. They should have learnt that lesson
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Speaker 1: from the twenty sixteen medi Scare campaign. That's getting a
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Speaker 1: hell of a rewe rerun this time around. But here's
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Speaker 1: the point about the energy debate that too few people
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Speaker 1: have either understood or used in the debate. The energy
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Speaker 1: choice of this election is not between a costly but
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Speaker 1: a missions free renewable energy plan and a costly but
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Speaker 1: slightly cheaper emissions free nuclear plan. The choice is between
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Speaker 1: a plan that is not working and cannot work, and
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Speaker 1: one that we know will work. The renewables plan has
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Speaker 1: forced our power prices to record highs and they will
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Speaker 1: keep going up as the build out continues. And what's worse,
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Speaker 1: despite those higher prices, energy reliability is getting worse and worse.
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Speaker 1: So Labour's plan is a plan for energy disaster, even
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Speaker 1: higher prices and decreasing reliability. This is why there's not
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Speaker 1: a single other developed economy that is even trying to
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Speaker 1: do what they're trying to do. Alb and Easy talks
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Speaker 1: to the nation like we're toddlers.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how Peter thinks that water works when
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Speaker 3: it's not raining, Purple, turn on the tap and the
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Speaker 3: water's there. That's the same way that you can store energy,
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Speaker 3: and that is what is happening.
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Speaker 1: Really. If it was that simple, every country in the
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Speaker 1: world would be doing it, but none are because renewables
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Speaker 1: are not reliable, and battery storage is too expensive and
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Speaker 1: it's impossible to store enough power for long enough. So
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Speaker 1: every major economy in the world is using nuclear because
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Speaker 1: it works. If we must reduce emissions and get rid
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Speaker 1: of baseload coal and want to keep gas to a minimum,
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Speaker 1: then according to the engineering and the economics. Nuclear is
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Speaker 1: the only option. Sure renewables here and there up to
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Speaker 1: thirty or forty percent of the mix, but nuclear providing
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Speaker 1: reliable and dispatchable base load power is vital to underpin
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Speaker 1: the grid. This is the electricity option that works. Labors doesn't.
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Speaker 1: It's as simple and as important as that. The coalition
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Speaker 1: needs to make this clear. It's not a matter of
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Speaker 1: competing plans. It's a matter of something that works versus
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Speaker 1: something that won't. Labour's only answer to all this is
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Speaker 1: to spin a blatant lie about the cost of nuclear.
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Speaker 1: This is reckless. Labour's looking to prolong the nation's energy
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Speaker 1: self harm for base political reasons. Just wanted to say
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Speaker 1: something on welcomes to country and the ugly fallout from
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Speaker 1: ANZAC Day. Look, as you know, I've long supported in
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Speaker 1: indigenous welcomes to country when they're appropriate. There are plenty
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Speaker 1: of times when they are appropriate. They are a mark
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Speaker 1: of respect, and they also allow for a deepening of
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Speaker 1: our historical and cultural knowledge about the country we live
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Speaker 1: in the country we all share. But they can be overdone.
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Speaker 1: They are overdone at the start of every online meeting,
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Speaker 1: for instance, or every time your plane lands and there
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Speaker 1: are times when they can be out of place altogether.
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Speaker 1: And I think most regular Anzac Day dawn services are
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Speaker 1: just such a place. Why Well, because Anzac Day is sacred.
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Speaker 1: It's our nation's most sacred day. It commemorates all who
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Speaker 1: have served and all who have died, Indigenous and non Indigenous,
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Speaker 1: male and female, all the services, all the wars, nothing
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Speaker 1: else should intrude. That's why those ugly interjections in Melbourne
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Speaker 1: were reprehensible, and Neo Nazi and others decrying the welcome
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Speaker 1: to country and other shouting out about Palestine. It was
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Speaker 1: just shocking stuff. But it's also why those protests have
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Speaker 1: triggered a national debate, and it's one where Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: is clear. Alben easy again is all over the shop.
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Speaker 7: For the opening of Parliament fair enough, it's respectful to do.
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Speaker 7: But for the start of every meeting at work or
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Speaker 7: the start of a football game. I think a lot
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Speaker 7: of Austrains think it's overdone and it cheapens the significance
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Speaker 7: of what it was meant to do.
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Speaker 1: It divides the country. Not dissimilar to Prime Minister.
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Speaker 9: Mister Dutners just said that the welcome the country is
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Speaker 9: overused and it's cheapened by its over use. You always
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Speaker 9: have at your official events. I've been a lot of them,
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Speaker 9: smoking ceremonies, welcome the country, acknowledgement of traditional honors.
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Speaker 3: Well, from my perspective, it's a matter of respect. But
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Speaker 3: it's also of course up to the organizations that are
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Speaker 3: hosting an event of whether they have a welcome to
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Speaker 3: country or not up to them, and people will have
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Speaker 3: different views, and people are in toitle their views. But
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Speaker 3: we have a great privilege from my perspective, of sharing
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Speaker 3: this continent with the oldest continuous culture on Earth. And
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Speaker 3: when I welcome international visitors to Parliament House, you know
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Speaker 3: what they want to see, that culture. The New Zealand
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Speaker 3: National Anthem, as you know, is on Anzac Day, said
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Speaker 3: in Maori language as well as in English, in recognition
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Speaker 3: of the fullness and richness of the history of New Zealand.
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Speaker 1: But Crime minist do you think it's overdone the welcome
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Speaker 1: to country.
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Speaker 3: It's up to people to determine whether they have or
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Speaker 3: welcome to country or not.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sure, it's up to everyone. Hey, but it's the
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Speaker 1: government that leads the way on this stuff. And I
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Speaker 1: think most Australians would side with Dutton. At least he
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Speaker 1: knows his mind and is strong enough to state it. Look,
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Speaker 1: the one bit of praise I'm going to profer to
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Speaker 1: Anthony Alberinezi for this campaign is the fact he's turned
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Speaker 1: up to four debates. Oppositions always want debates, voters deserve them,
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Speaker 1: but no other PM has agreed to four across four
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Speaker 1: different networks, including in the last week of the campaign.
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Speaker 1: So well done, Albo. That's good for democracy all up.
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Speaker 1: Though the Prime Minister has lost these debates. Prime ministers
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Speaker 1: usually do. But Peter Dutton really needed to knock him
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Speaker 1: right off his perch and he's never really quite done that.
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Speaker 1: But when it comes to media coverage of the campaign,
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Speaker 1: Dutton has lashed out those in the media he believes
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Speaker 1: don't give the fairer, don't give the Coalition a fair hearing.
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Speaker 7: I have no doubt in my mind that we can
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Speaker 7: win this election. Forget about what you've been tired by
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Speaker 7: the ABC and the Guardian and the other media.
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Speaker 1: Forget about that. Well, I'd hardly to disagree with that assessment,
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Speaker 1: would I. And now is just to prove his point.
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Speaker 1: Have a listened to how the ABC characterized those comments
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Speaker 1: this morning.
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Speaker 6: It certainly echoes language that is used by Donald Trump
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Speaker 6: in the US, and it certainly risks having that kind
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Speaker 6: of reflection from Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: How about that the term hate media is Trumpian, so
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Speaker 1: the ABC uses Dutton's justifiable complain about ABC bias to
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Speaker 1: show more bias against Dutton. The term hate media is
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Speaker 1: not Trumpian at all. It was actually first used by
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Speaker 1: one of the ABC's great heroes, the former Green's leader
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Speaker 1: Bob Brown. I'm just wondering why the hate media. It's
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Speaker 1: got a negative front page from top to bottom today,
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Speaker 1: it can't be more responsible. Yeah, that was almost a
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Speaker 1: decade ago, a decade and a half ago actually, and
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Speaker 1: it coursed to Big Stir at the time. And the
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Speaker 1: Green Left have used that term ever since. They've used
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Speaker 1: it against news corps and others. And I riffed off
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Speaker 1: this at the time, labeling the green left media like
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Speaker 1: the ABC and the old Fair newspapers the love media
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Speaker 1: in return, a term that I've used ever since. Many
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Speaker 1: of you will know. So Dutton's sentiment there was absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: but he used the wrong term. He should have called
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Speaker 1: his critics the love media. Anyway, The ABC remained hard
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Speaker 1: out at this campaign, doing all they can to undermine
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Speaker 1: the Coalition. How about this news report shown nationally over
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Speaker 1: the weekend.
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Speaker 10: As the campaign enters its final days, the opposition leader
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Speaker 10: has yet to stage an event at one of the
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Speaker 10: seven proposed sides for his parties flagship nuclear power policy.
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Speaker 10: Nearly half of all respondents to the ABC's vote compass
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Speaker 10: say they either strongly or somewhat disagreed with the proposal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an introduction straight from Labour's talking points.
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Speaker 1: It left me wondering why the ABC hasn't asked Anthony
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Speaker 1: Alberizi and Chris Bowen why they haven't turned up at
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Speaker 1: places like this where push land is being destroyed to
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Speaker 1: clear the way for the construction of wind farms and
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Speaker 1: transmission lines. Or why haven't they visited the farmlands of
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Speaker 1: Victoria and New South Wales where local communities are up
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Speaker 1: in arms over transmission line projects. Well, why haven't they
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Speaker 1: turned up at coastal communities where locals are opposed to
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Speaker 1: offshore wind projects. Such questions wouldn't occur to the ABC.
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Speaker 1: It's apparently only interested in the anti nuclear barbs from
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Speaker 1: Labor against the Coalition.
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Speaker 6: A coal fired power station in Portagusta reduced to rubble.
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Speaker 6: Eight years later, this could, under a coalition plan, become
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Speaker 6: a new site of energy generation, but this time nuclear.
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Speaker 6: It's an issue that's dividing the outback town. Since the
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Speaker 6: old coal fired power station closed, there have been multiple
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Speaker 6: project proposals put forward, but only a few wind and
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Speaker 6: solar projects have come to fruition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, only a few have come to fruition. Hey, why
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Speaker 1: not mention some of those that have failed, Like the
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Speaker 1: six hundred million dollar green hydrogen plant scrapped earlier this
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Speaker 1: year just down the road in Wyala. Or what about
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Speaker 1: the six hundred and fifty million dollar solar thermal plant
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Speaker 1: announced with great fanfare but scrapped just outside Port Augusta.
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Speaker 1: And what about all those proposals for pumped hydro at
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Speaker 1: Port Augusta. What happened to them? The ABC doesn't focus
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Speaker 1: on this endless stream of expensive renewable failures. Instead, it
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Speaker 1: pretends that nuclear, the only proven, emissions free baseload power
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Speaker 1: source that works all around the world, would be a
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Speaker 1: problem here in Australia. That's your ABC, I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: their ABC for you. And how did they kick off
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Speaker 1: their news coverage for the final week of the campaign. Well,
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Speaker 1: they claim to be scrutinizing both leaders.
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Speaker 11: What's it like when you're on Anthony Albanese's bad side?
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Speaker 1: It's not great. Peter Dutton cannot be trusted. He's a
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Speaker 1: wrecker the promises.
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Speaker 12: It is not a policy, it's a fantasy, the playbook.
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Speaker 2: He's a weak career politician.
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Speaker 13: Seeing the public servants will tell you he just doesn't
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Speaker 13: want to do anything.
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Speaker 14: I think it's been a rolling sho the true colors
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Speaker 14: of the next prime minister.
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Speaker 13: It's time for the Albanese and Dutton's to either listen carefully.
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Speaker 3: Or move on.
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Speaker 1: They just want someone to uncapap That's the promo for
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Speaker 1: a program tonight featuring a long lineup of left and
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Speaker 1: left liberal interviews. But what story did they dig out
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Speaker 1: to promote that program all day on their news programs.
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Speaker 1: It was a rather pathetic hit on Dunton, of course,
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Speaker 1: relating to a delayed disclosure rectified at the time a
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Speaker 1: decade ago.
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Speaker 15: The dual opposition leader Peter Dartony's facing questions over failing
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Speaker 15: to declare an interest in a family trust that operated
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Speaker 15: a lucrative childcare business.
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Speaker 1: Rory Callanan reports.
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Speaker 16: For Corner's investigation has found mister Dutton failed to declare
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Speaker 16: his beneficiary interest in a family trust while it was
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Speaker 16: involved in childcare businesses from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Incredible stuff really in the last week of the campaign.
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Speaker 1: I mean, where is the ABC's interrogation of the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister's failure to declare a quantus chairman's club membership organized
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Speaker 1: for his son. And if they want to go back
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Speaker 1: a decade, why not mention Albo's failure to declare upgrades
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Speaker 1: for travel with his then wife when he was a minister.
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Speaker 1: Where was the ABC's interrogation of the TLMP Allegra spender's
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Speaker 1: failure to declare seven financial entities this year. I could
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Speaker 1: go on that this is how a national broadcaster behaves
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Speaker 1: during an election campaign is ordinary, but then have a
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Speaker 1: look at this from a current ABC News presenter.
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Speaker 17: The Government has just committed to spending three ound and
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Speaker 17: sixty eight billion dollars on some nuclear submarines that may
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Speaker 17: or may not arrive. The ABC in that context is peanuts.
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Speaker 1: Or there's this from one of their former big names.
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Speaker 18: After sixty years in journalism, I can't think of a
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Speaker 18: more confusing time to know who to trust in the
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Speaker 18: media when truth has become such a corrupted commodity. We
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Speaker 18: need a strong, independent ABC that's fearless in presenting the
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Speaker 18: facts we need to know, not one that's intimidated by
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Speaker 18: politicians or special interest groups. We are part of what
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Speaker 18: is given the ABC its strength and its courage, and
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Speaker 18: at this election we need to make our voys count
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Speaker 18: for the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the ABC mob past and present openly campaigned for
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Speaker 1: more money. They openly campaign against those who would apply
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Speaker 1: some financial stringency to the ABC, pretend that they're all
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Speaker 1: adhering to their charter and being objective pull the other one.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if that anyone will ever fix this massive
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Speaker 1: anti democratic distortion of political debate in this country. Let's
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Speaker 1: cross now live to Mandura in Western Australia and catch
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Speaker 1: up with the shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining us.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, Good afternoon, Chris.
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Speaker 1: First up, Tommy, were you surprised to learn this morning
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Speaker 1: that the government, the Albert Easy Labor government, has known
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Speaker 1: since March that there was a serious request from Russia
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Speaker 1: to Indonesia over basing aircraft there.
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Speaker 19: Chris, Unfortunately, I'm not surprised because this alban easy labor
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Speaker 19: government is shifty and the Australian people cannot trust it.
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Speaker 19: But I am still shocked that they have been so
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Speaker 19: reckless with the truth on this very serious question. We're
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Speaker 19: leaving in a very dangerous world now, and we've just
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Speaker 19: found out today that North Korea has supplied the Russians
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Speaker 19: up to fourteen thousand troops to fight against the Ukrainians
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Speaker 19: in the Curs region. So what we have here now
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Speaker 19: is China, Russia and North Korea working together. And it's
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Speaker 19: now become clear that Russia did indeed inquire about an
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Speaker 19: air base in Indonesia, just on our back doorstep. And
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Speaker 19: we had a Prime minister who completely minimized this, who
22:24
Speaker 19: made a mockery of it, in fact by suggesting that
22:26
Speaker 19: it was up there with the fake moonlanding, when in
22:28
Speaker 19: fact we know it did happen. And this government over
22:30
Speaker 19: the last few weeks has done everything they could to
22:34
Speaker 19: discredit any request for a briefing and also minimize this
22:39
Speaker 19: as a national security issue.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Anthony Albanezi likened it to the fake moon landings,
22:45
Speaker 1: and Murray Watt said it was like asking for a
22:47
Speaker 1: briefing on the lockness monster. Have they been lying to
22:51
Speaker 1: the public about this issue.
22:54
Speaker 19: I think they have been lying to the public on
22:55
Speaker 19: this issue. There is no way this would not have
22:57
Speaker 19: crossed their desk, and I think they know their national
23:00
Speaker 19: security record this week.
23:01
Speaker 2: It's been weak. For the last three years.
23:03
Speaker 19: We've had our ADF personnel pushed around in the Indo
23:05
Speaker 19: Pacific by the Chinese military. We've had a Chinese flotilla
23:09
Speaker 19: circumnavigate Australian waters our continent and live fire in Australian
23:14
Speaker 19: waters and the Prime Minister did nothing, And so on
23:16
Speaker 19: the eve of an election they wanted to minimize this
23:18
Speaker 19: when this should be front and center because Australian security
23:21
Speaker 19: is so critical and this is a very concerning development,
23:26
Speaker 19: and the opposition should be brief because we need to
23:28
Speaker 19: be making good public policy, good national security policy in
23:32
Speaker 19: the national interest and they've absolutely done everything they can
23:35
Speaker 19: to stop that.
23:36
Speaker 1: Are you calling for a briefing now in this final
23:39
Speaker 1: week of the campaign or is that all too late
23:41
Speaker 1: and you may as well wait till after the election
23:42
Speaker 1: and see who's in charge.
23:45
Speaker 19: I'll take a briefing any day of this week. We've
23:49
Speaker 19: been asking one for more than a week now, and
23:51
Speaker 19: this is shameful behavior by the Albanezi government.
23:56
Speaker 1: Is it possible that they might have wanted to downplay
23:58
Speaker 1: this issue and keep it quiet because they don't want
24:00
Speaker 1: to reveal their source for the information from Indonesia? But
24:05
Speaker 1: if so, wouldn't they have been best dealt with that
24:07
Speaker 1: by briefing you so that you could also go quiet
24:10
Speaker 1: if needs be.
24:13
Speaker 19: I would have happily taken a classified briefing, as would
24:15
Speaker 19: if David Coleman, our Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister, as well
24:20
Speaker 19: as the leader of the Opposition, Peter Dutton. But we
24:22
Speaker 19: just think the opposition should be included in briefings on
24:25
Speaker 19: this now.
24:27
Speaker 1: I was at a dawn service on Friday in Sydney.
24:30
Speaker 1: I don't think there was a welcome to country unless
24:32
Speaker 1: I missed a brief mention. I'm told that another dawn
24:35
Speaker 1: service in Sydney they had an indigenous serviceman give a
24:39
Speaker 1: short welcome to country at the start of the service.
24:41
Speaker 1: We know what happened in Melbourne. It was disgraceful to
24:44
Speaker 1: hear those interruptions. But do you believe there's a place
24:48
Speaker 1: for a welcome to country at all dawn services or
24:51
Speaker 1: is that one of the areas where this ceremony is overdone.
24:57
Speaker 19: I think Anzac Day is a sacred national day. It's
25:00
Speaker 19: a day of unity where all Australians come together to
25:03
Speaker 19: remember our war dead and to acknowledge and honor those
25:06
Speaker 19: who carry the scars of war, whether they be physical,
25:10
Speaker 19: mental or emotional. So on the question should we have
25:13
Speaker 19: a welcome to country or is it appropriate? Do I
25:15
Speaker 19: think it's appropriate that families of the fallen veterans and
25:20
Speaker 19: regular Australians should be welcome to their country on the
25:22
Speaker 19: very day they come together to remember those who've died
25:25
Speaker 19: for their country.
25:26
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's appropriate.
25:28
Speaker 1: And what about more broadly across the nation, where would
25:31
Speaker 1: you like to see welcomes to country eliminated?
25:35
Speaker 19: Well, I think welcome to country is now part of
25:39
Speaker 19: what we do as a country. But I don't think
25:44
Speaker 19: it should be done on Anzac Day, particularly when Australians
25:47
Speaker 19: are coming together to remember those who've died for their country,
25:49
Speaker 19: why should they be welcome to their country on that
25:51
Speaker 19: very day. I think what Peter said last night in
25:55
Speaker 19: the in the Leader's debate is right.
25:57
Speaker 2: It's been overdone.
25:59
Speaker 19: And think it also can be very divisive at times
26:02
Speaker 19: as well, because Ultimately, we're all Australians.
26:05
Speaker 2: Peter Dunton said this last night.
26:06
Speaker 19: It doesn't matter if you've if you're of indigenous heritage,
26:11
Speaker 19: whether you're a seventh generation Australian or you've taken citizenship
26:14
Speaker 19: in the last week. Where all Australians, we're all equal
26:16
Speaker 19: before the law, and I think some of these ceremonies
26:19
Speaker 19: can be very divisive and cuts right through our social cohesion.
26:23
Speaker 1: I just want to get some more detail from you,
26:26
Speaker 1: if I can, on the additional spending on defense twenty
26:30
Speaker 1: one billion dollars over the next five years you've announced. Now,
26:34
Speaker 1: I hate this sort of spending that seems to be
26:37
Speaker 1: endemic when it comes to talking about defense, of having
26:39
Speaker 1: to meet a certain percentage of GDP, we do it
26:42
Speaker 1: now aid programs as well. It's more important obviously to
26:45
Speaker 1: spend that money well and to get the right outcomes.
26:49
Speaker 1: What do you specifically want to do with that twenty
26:53
Speaker 1: one billion dollars? Is it about boosting personnel, boosting equipment
26:57
Speaker 1: and if so, which equipment?
27:01
Speaker 19: Well, the defense spend will be twenty one billion dollars
27:03
Speaker 19: over five years, so we'll go to two point five
27:05
Speaker 19: percent of GDP in five years. And three percent of
27:08
Speaker 19: GDP within ten years. So what are we going to
27:09
Speaker 19: do with that money. Well, we're going to bring strategic
27:11
Speaker 19: and political leadership together. We're going to have a summit
27:14
Speaker 19: at Swan Island, which is a secure classified facility, and
27:17
Speaker 19: we're going to get the best of defense, of government
27:20
Speaker 19: and the private sector together to crunch through the nation's
27:22
Speaker 19: most pressing problems. We're going to deliver capability, which means
27:26
Speaker 19: the fourth squadron of F thirty five, they're our fighter jets,
27:28
Speaker 19: will be reinstated to our order of battle. We're also
27:32
Speaker 19: going to deliver more for our sustainment budgets because without
27:35
Speaker 19: sustainment budgets, the sort of the maintenance budgets, they're the
27:39
Speaker 19: supply budgets, we won't get the training and operational hours
27:42
Speaker 19: for our sailors, soldiers and aviators. And finally, we're going
27:44
Speaker 19: to develop new cutting edge capabilities which will give us
27:48
Speaker 19: an advantage in the next fight. So drones and counter
27:50
Speaker 19: drones is something that we're going.
27:52
Speaker 2: To focus on. I think we're going to deliver orcus
27:54
Speaker 2: under labor.
27:55
Speaker 1: I want to just jump in there because you've talked
27:57
Speaker 1: before about the need for drones. That's a good specific
28:00
Speaker 1: measure apart from the fourth Squadron of Joints Strike fighters.
28:03
Speaker 1: You're saying that the detail of spending that twenty one
28:06
Speaker 1: billion dollars is not finalized yet. You will finalize that
28:09
Speaker 1: at a summit after the election.
28:13
Speaker 2: That's right.
28:13
Speaker 19: But what I want your viewers to hear today is
28:16
Speaker 19: that we are fixing Labour's mess. They have ripped eighty
28:19
Speaker 19: billion dollars out of defense now ORCUS has been added
28:23
Speaker 19: to the defense budget, but Labor have not accounted for it.
28:25
Speaker 19: So what's happening is we're cannibalizing capability in Army, Navy,
28:28
Speaker 19: and Air Force, which is why Labour has made severe
28:30
Speaker 19: cuts to all three services, and that's hurting our morale
28:34
Speaker 19: and that's why we've got a recruiting and a retention
28:36
Speaker 19: crisis in the ADF.
28:37
Speaker 2: So we're going to fix Labour's problems.
28:39
Speaker 19: We're going to return defense spending to a baseline just
28:41
Speaker 19: so we can deliver ucas and maintain our combat power,
28:44
Speaker 19: which is so critical in this dangerous world.
28:47
Speaker 2: So there our new capabilities.
28:48
Speaker 19: They'll and they will emerge as technology advances, but we
28:52
Speaker 19: need to be at the cutting edge, which is why
28:54
Speaker 19: we also need to expand our industrial base, which we
28:56
Speaker 19: will do so under a Dote lead coalition government.
28:58
Speaker 1: We are out of time and Hasty thanks so much
29:01
Speaker 1: for joining us, so appreciate. It's Andrew Hasty, the Shadow
29:03
Speaker 1: Defense Minister, alive from Western Australia. We're going to get
29:06
Speaker 1: to a break. On the other side, I'm going to
29:07
Speaker 1: get into the latest analysis of the latest opinion polls
29:10
Speaker 1: with John black Well as the sun goes down tonight.
29:18
Speaker 1: There's only four full days of campaigning left in this
29:21
Speaker 1: election and there's no sign of the poll's budget. Today's
29:25
Speaker 1: News poll is the fourth in a row to have
29:27
Speaker 1: Labor leaning the Coalition on a two party preferred vote
29:30
Speaker 1: of fifty two to forty eight percent. Here's how cam
29:33
Speaker 1: Reden reported the numbers on Sky this morning.
29:36
Speaker 20: The coalition's primary vote still below the level that Scott
29:40
Speaker 20: Morrison achieved in twenty twenty two where he lost that election,
29:44
Speaker 20: so they need to get that number higher. When you
29:45
Speaker 20: look at the voter sentiment as to why people are
29:48
Speaker 20: yet to flock towards the Coalition despite the cost of
29:51
Speaker 20: living pressures, it shows here a roughly two thirds to
29:54
Speaker 20: one third split of voters not believing that the coalition
29:57
Speaker 20: after three years in opposition, is yet ready to govern.
30:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, but thirty nine percent of them only think that
30:05
Speaker 1: labor should be returned base numbers, aren't they aren't they?
30:08
Speaker 1: Let me bring in the former labor senator and expert
30:11
Speaker 1: number cruncher, John Black. Good to talk to you again. John.
30:14
Speaker 1: What do you make of the polling that's been You know,
30:17
Speaker 1: there's been fluctuations at the margins, but it hasn't really shifted.
30:20
Speaker 1: Hasn't look it's.
30:22
Speaker 13: It's it hasn't shifted, Chris. But it's been sady for
30:24
Speaker 13: the last for the last three or four weeks. Basically,
30:28
Speaker 13: you're going to remember that February and March were horror
30:31
Speaker 13: months for the coalition. They started off that period with
30:35
Speaker 13: an election winning lead and then the Reserve Bank cut
30:39
Speaker 13: interest rates and the work from Home fiasco unfolded and
30:43
Speaker 13: then was reversed. So it didn't get off to a
30:45
Speaker 13: good start for the coalition, and it hasn't really gone
30:48
Speaker 13: well for them until the end of March. But it
30:51
Speaker 13: has stabilized, and it's stabilized that the two party preferred vote,
30:55
Speaker 13: which is pretty much identical with what it was at
30:58
Speaker 13: the last election, which was which was very close. The
31:02
Speaker 13: thing that interests me with the red Bridge survey of
31:04
Speaker 13: the marginal seats, marginal twenty seats is that there's a
31:09
Speaker 13: comfortable winning margin there. But these are volatile seats, and
31:12
Speaker 13: all you need for this last week, Chris, is a
31:16
Speaker 13: change in the total vote of a couple of percent,
31:18
Speaker 13: and that could well be double the national swing in
31:21
Speaker 13: those more volatile seats because you've got younger couples with
31:25
Speaker 13: kids and a mortgage, and they're the most volatile voters
31:27
Speaker 13: you can find.
31:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why this last week campaigning remains so vital
31:32
Speaker 1: because it is so close in a lot of those
31:35
Speaker 1: marginal seats. Explain to us the concept of softness in vote,
31:39
Speaker 1: because we're already talking about the labor vote being softer
31:42
Speaker 1: than the coalitions. Explain that concept to us and what
31:46
Speaker 1: it could mean.
31:47
Speaker 13: It certainly means that they're less strongly aligned and they
31:51
Speaker 13: haven't personally identified a strong best of interest politics. During
31:55
Speaker 13: election times, it's about putting the policy is that you
32:00
Speaker 13: have that most resonate with the swinging voters you're trying
32:03
Speaker 13: to attract in the marginal seats that you're trying to win. Now,
32:07
Speaker 13: neither party has done a very good job, particularly the
32:09
Speaker 13: Labor Party, and they've still got a disproportionate number of
32:13
Speaker 13: softer voters, so they look like they may be heading
32:18
Speaker 13: for a weakness if you like, in terms of the
32:22
Speaker 13: continuation of their strong position over the next few days.
32:25
Speaker 13: But the other thing that sticks out to me, Chris,
32:27
Speaker 13: is that there's a lot of the persons who are
32:30
Speaker 13: voting for others. People who have swung away from the
32:32
Speaker 13: coalition is down about one percent, but they seem to
32:36
Speaker 13: have gone to one nation now. They could just as
32:39
Speaker 13: easily come back in the in the next few days.
32:44
Speaker 13: And as it is, about two thirds of them will
32:47
Speaker 13: preference the LMP anyway.
32:50
Speaker 1: Those preference flows are so difficult to measure and they're
32:53
Speaker 1: going to be so crucial. We won't talk to you
32:55
Speaker 1: again till after the election, so let me get you
32:58
Speaker 1: to put on your record. Now on the record now,
33:00
Speaker 1: your prediction for the election outcome, Well, I.
33:04
Speaker 13: Think that the Labor Party is looking like they'll be
33:07
Speaker 13: a returned with roughly the same number of seats that
33:10
Speaker 13: they have now. The LNP is going to pick up
33:13
Speaker 13: about five or six seats, but it looks like it
33:16
Speaker 13: could go back in a couple of National Party seats
33:19
Speaker 13: in the bush with what we call the Batuosa tels,
33:22
Speaker 13: so you know, three huggers who have moved out to
33:25
Speaker 13: the rural electorates and have changed the demographic composition of
33:28
Speaker 13: those seats. And I think the Greens are vulnerable up
33:31
Speaker 13: here in Queensland and the three seats that they now
33:34
Speaker 13: have because the Liberal Party is going back and preferencing
33:38
Speaker 13: the Labor Party. So the Labor Party paradoxically could go
33:41
Speaker 13: quite well in those seats. So I think a general
33:44
Speaker 13: weakening of the Crossbench, one or two Teals down, one
33:47
Speaker 13: or two Greens down, and the LNP up around about
33:52
Speaker 13: a net of about three or four seats.
33:54
Speaker 1: Wow, thanks to that, John. We'll see how it goes.
33:56
Speaker 1: We'll speak to you next week, John Black, their former
33:59
Speaker 1: Labor senator. That's sort of an outcome. It'd be good
34:02
Speaker 1: to see the cross Bench weakened, I suppose, but that
34:04
Speaker 1: would be disastrous for the coalition with only a net
34:07
Speaker 1: game of two or three seats, that would be a
34:10
Speaker 1: terrible outcome for them. We'll wait and see. Now, coming
34:13
Speaker 1: up after the break on, I talk about how Labor
34:15
Speaker 1: focused heavily on Medicare this campaign, trying to scare voters,
34:19
Speaker 1: just bolstering their baseless claim that the Coalition would actually
34:23
Speaker 1: cut Medicare. I'll speak to the shadow Health Minister and Rustin,
34:32
Speaker 1: one of the world's largest credit ratings agency, Standard and
34:35
Speaker 1: Pause has warned that Australia could lose its prize triple
34:39
Speaker 1: A credit rating because of out of control spending accelerated
34:42
Speaker 1: during the election campaign. Labor have rushed out their election
34:46
Speaker 1: costings today, claiming they've got savings that will mean the
34:49
Speaker 1: budget is a billion dollars better off, which is really
34:53
Speaker 1: a rounding error I suppose and true to form they reckon.
34:57
Speaker 1: The coalition is the ones we should be worried about.
35:00
Speaker 12: The biggest risk to our triple A credit rating is
35:03
Speaker 12: Peter Dutton and the Coalition. They won't come clean on
35:07
Speaker 12: their cuts.
35:08
Speaker 1: Now, if that doesn't sound desperate enough, listen to this.
35:12
Speaker 12: Peter Dutton's got secret costs and secret cuts. He won't
35:16
Speaker 12: come clean on those cuts because Australians will be worse off.
35:19
Speaker 12: When Peter Dutton cuts, Australians will pay.
35:23
Speaker 1: So let me get this right. After promising last election
35:28
Speaker 1: that everyone would be better off, Labor has made everyone
35:32
Speaker 1: worse off. So at this election they won't promise to
35:36
Speaker 1: make us all better off, but they reckon the Coalition
35:39
Speaker 1: would make us all worse off. What a sad and
35:43
Speaker 1: juvenile start of affairs. Hey. Meanwhile, the nation's spending is
35:48
Speaker 1: simply not sustainable long term, no matter who wins.
35:56
Speaker 3: Now.
35:56
Speaker 1: Labor have focused heavily on many care this campaign, mainly
35:59
Speaker 1: just to bolster this baseless claim that the Coalition would
36:03
Speaker 1: cut Medicare. Their latest announcement is a two hundred million
36:07
Speaker 1: dollar twenty four hour Medicare phone helpline, and I asked
36:11
Speaker 1: Shadow Health Minister Anne Rustin whether the Coalition would match that.
36:16
Speaker 14: Well that we support Australians getting access to primary care
36:20
Speaker 14: no matter how they're able to get it at the moment,
36:22
Speaker 14: because quite frankly, over the last three years we have
36:24
Speaker 14: seen it by every metric, people's access and affordable access
36:28
Speaker 14: to primary care go backwards. But the other thing you
36:31
Speaker 14: should also your listeners should be aware of is the
36:33
Speaker 14: fact that what Labour have done by this announcement yesterday
36:36
Speaker 14: is actually just a boost to an existing service that's
36:38
Speaker 14: been in place for quite some time, Health Direct. And
36:42
Speaker 14: in fact it's somewhat disingenuous that yesterday they decide that
36:45
Speaker 14: they're going to make an investment in this particular telehealth
36:47
Speaker 14: service when one of the first actions they did when
36:49
Speaker 14: they came into this parliament was cut seventy telehealth services.
36:53
Speaker 1: It's the pointing end of the campaign and things are
36:55
Speaker 1: heating up a bit. I think that what Labour's been
36:58
Speaker 1: doing as much as it can is focus on health
37:00
Speaker 1: and medicare, and they're trying to run the line every
37:04
Speaker 1: day that somehow the Coalition will get medicare. It's reminiscent
37:08
Speaker 1: of the medi Scare campaign of twenty sixteen. There's so
37:13
Speaker 1: many lies and so many fear campaigns involved here. How
37:17
Speaker 1: do you deal with it?
37:20
Speaker 13: We look.
37:21
Speaker 14: I think the message I'd have to all of your viewers, Chris,
37:23
Speaker 14: is that you've got a prime minister here, and a
37:26
Speaker 14: health minister for that matter, but a prime minister who's
37:28
Speaker 14: prepared to look down the barrel at people and tell
37:30
Speaker 14: them a lie. I don't think somebody who's prepared to
37:33
Speaker 14: do that deserves to be re elected as the prime
37:35
Speaker 14: minister of this country. And they haven't just lied about health,
37:38
Speaker 14: they've lied about energy, they've lied about national security. Apparently
37:41
Speaker 14: the Prime Minister was well aware of the Russian request
37:44
Speaker 14: of Indonesia some months ago, and yet he stood in
37:46
Speaker 14: front of a camera and lied about it. So if
37:49
Speaker 14: a prime minister's prepared to lie about something as important
37:51
Speaker 14: to Australians as their access to healthcare, is prepared to
37:54
Speaker 14: lie about national security, this guy does not deserve to
37:58
Speaker 14: be the prime minister of this country.
38:00
Speaker 1: Well, one are the key lies and it is that
38:02
Speaker 1: And that is the claim that the nuclear plan that
38:04
Speaker 1: the coalition is proposing would cost six hundred billion dollars.
38:09
Speaker 1: That's out by a factor of about five. And all
38:12
Speaker 1: the best information, independent information suggests that the nuclear plan
38:17
Speaker 1: would actually be cheaper than Labour's renewables only plan. Yet
38:22
Speaker 1: that six hundred billion dollar figure is used every day
38:26
Speaker 1: by Labor in ads online, now, on radio and on television,
38:30
Speaker 1: saying that to raise that money, that fictitious figure of
38:33
Speaker 1: six hundred billion, you would cut medicare. I mean, that's
38:37
Speaker 1: how gross this misrepresentation is.
38:42
Speaker 14: Well, it is absolutely an unacceptable situation. You know, when
38:45
Speaker 14: has it become acceptable for your prime minister to lie
38:48
Speaker 14: to you? But I mean the reality here is that
38:52
Speaker 14: australianers need to look at the facts. The reason that
38:54
Speaker 14: this government is lying to Australians is because their track
38:57
Speaker 14: record in the last three years has been so terrible.
39:00
Speaker 14: I mean, if you look at healthcare as an example, OK,
39:03
Speaker 14: billing rates have plummeted by eleven percent. Out of pocket
39:05
Speaker 14: costs are at the highest they ever have forty five
39:08
Speaker 14: percent more out of your pocket today than you were
39:10
Speaker 14: three years ago when you go to see the doctor.
39:12
Speaker 14: You know, quite frankly, I think Australians know the truth.
39:15
Speaker 14: They feel their experience out on the ground. They know
39:17
Speaker 14: what they're feeling when they go to the doctor. Not
39:20
Speaker 14: a matter of lyne by this government. Change is the
39:22
Speaker 14: experience that Australians are feeling.
39:24
Speaker 1: Well when it comes to the truth. Do you agree
39:26
Speaker 1: with Peter Dutton and David Little Proud that the media
39:29
Speaker 1: should be held to its account, that the media is
39:32
Speaker 1: not scrutinizing labor over these claims?
39:37
Speaker 14: Well, I mean the facts speak for themselves, Chris, They
39:40
Speaker 14: absolutely speak for themselves. These aren't my figures, these aren't
39:42
Speaker 14: Anthony Albaneziest figures. These are the National accounts. And so
39:46
Speaker 14: I'd say, you know, it would be really good if
39:48
Speaker 14: somebody actually went and had to look at the National
39:50
Speaker 14: accounts and actually said these are the facts. These are
39:52
Speaker 14: in the government's own departments figures. I genuinely think Australians
39:56
Speaker 14: are out on the ground are feeling quite different to
39:59
Speaker 14: what Anthony Albanesi and Jim Charmers and everybody else is
40:02
Speaker 14: telling them.
40:02
Speaker 1: They're feeling.
40:03
Speaker 14: They know that they feel much worse off than they
40:05
Speaker 14: did three years ago, and we hope that our strong
40:08
Speaker 14: plan for the future and will give them a good
40:11
Speaker 14: alternative to vote, because I don't think Australians want to
40:13
Speaker 14: go through another three years like they've just been through.
40:16
Speaker 1: All right, when it comes to government figures, the Labor government,
40:19
Speaker 1: Anthony not Anthony Albanezi, was actually the treasurer of Jim Chalmers.
40:23
Speaker 1: Today with the Finance Minister Katie Gallagher put out their costings,
40:26
Speaker 1: their election costings. Now, I think this is laughable to
40:29
Speaker 1: be frank from both sides to be bothered about their
40:31
Speaker 1: costings when you're all spending like crazy and we've got
40:34
Speaker 1: deficits for decades to come on current analysis. But I
40:39
Speaker 1: want to show you something that Katie Gallaher has said,
40:41
Speaker 1: because I think it's kind of interesting when you compare
40:43
Speaker 1: it to what they've been saying about the coalition issue
40:46
Speaker 1: is the Finance Minister.
40:48
Speaker 6: We will find a whole of governments save in the
40:52
Speaker 6: order of six point four billion dollars.
40:55
Speaker 1: This will be.
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Speaker 6: Focused on non on non wage extent, so not on
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Speaker 6: people or on programs, but on all of the other
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Speaker 6: expenses and resourcing that whole of government has. We have
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Speaker 6: no doubt that we will be able to deliver those
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Speaker 6: savings without impacting importantly on the services and the programs
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Speaker 6: that the APS provide.
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Speaker 1: Now, the reason I find this interesting and rustin is
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Speaker 1: that every time the Coalition says it's going to find
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Speaker 1: some savings, Labour says it's going to impact frontline services.
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Speaker 1: Yet here they are promising six and a half billion
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Speaker 1: dollars worth of savings and they say it won't impact
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Speaker 1: frontline services.
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Speaker 14: Look, it's just the hypocrisy that we've got used to
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Speaker 14: from this Labor Party. You can be absolutely guaranteed if
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Speaker 14: I or Peter Dutton had made exactly the same comment
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Speaker 14: that Katie Gallagher just made, they would have turned it
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Speaker 14: into a scare pain paign within seconds. That seems to
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Speaker 14: be their modus operandi. If they find anything at all,
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Speaker 14: truth or otherwise, they turn it into a scare campaign.
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Speaker 14: And I think it just calls them out for exactly
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Speaker 14: what they are and only hypocrites, hypocrites that lie.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a lot of evidence for that. I
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Speaker 1: can't disagree with you on that one at all. Round
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Speaker 1: Russe and thanks again for joining us.
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Speaker 14: My pleasure, Thanks Chris.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The other way to look at that is that labor
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Speaker 1: are telling us they know that they're currently wasting six
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Speaker 1: and a half billion dollars of our money. You don't say,
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Speaker 1: got to take a break. On the other side, Gematon Union,
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Speaker 1: Caroline Drusso, join me. We'll talk about the price of
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Speaker 1: eggs and your electricity bills. Okay, let's sort out this
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Speaker 1: election campaign with Jematon UNI on the desk here from
42:36
Speaker 1: GT Communications and Carolinder also who's the WA Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: president and of course hosts the Royal Report, joining us
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Speaker 1: from Perth cheap As just a week ago. It's still
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Speaker 1: there to be one, you reckon, Carow.
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Speaker 11: It's always there to be one. It's there to be
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Speaker 11: one till six pm on polling day. And if we
42:55
Speaker 11: look at the results in the last couple of elections,
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Speaker 11: we know that those undecided really late and there is
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Speaker 11: still a big soft vote, a big undersided vote, and
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Speaker 11: I guess that was something that was very interesting to
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Speaker 11: see out a news poll yesterday. People aren't necessarily happy
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Speaker 11: with albow. So when you're not happy, when there's a
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Speaker 11: vote to be peeled off, there's always somewhere for it
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Speaker 11: to go. You just got to give it a home
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Speaker 11: to go to.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Jimmy that there's a sense of inevitability
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Speaker 1: about this election because everyone at the start was talking
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Speaker 1: about possible labor minority or small majority. The polls have
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Speaker 1: sort of gone in that direction. But the simple fact is,
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Speaker 1: with fifteen million people yet to vote, votes being soft,
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Speaker 1: people were trying to work up there. I only really
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Speaker 1: just starting to focus on the contest. Now, anything could happen.
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Speaker 4: My view has been from day one, anyone's to call.
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Speaker 4: And I know that we love certainty, and we love
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Speaker 4: to predict, and we love to say will the polls
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Speaker 4: say this? But I one hundred percent believe it will
43:54
Speaker 4: go down to the wire. And I don't think the
43:57
Speaker 4: Prime Minister can afford to be cocky. I think he's
43:59
Speaker 4: been objectively terrible. He has cracked all over the caretaker conventions,
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Speaker 4: He has shown contempt for the Australian people, continues to
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Speaker 4: show contempt for media who are finally asking you questions
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Speaker 4: that matter. And I think you know, we've talked a
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Speaker 4: lot on this show about the ABC, and I think
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Speaker 4: the ABC have been more biased in this campaign than
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Speaker 4: I have seen in my fifty two years on the planet.
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Speaker 4: Yes I'm that old, well fifty one and three quarters.
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Speaker 4: But you know there's a place for the ABC. But boy,
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Speaker 4: does it need to.
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Speaker 1: Broom through it sure does. Let me go to a
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Speaker 1: couple of examples of stuff that's unfolded in the last
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Here's a little clip from the debate
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Speaker 1: last night, which wasn't good for Peter Dutton. Here is
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Speaker 1: a dozen eggs.
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Speaker 4: Mister Dutton, do you know how much they cost?
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Speaker 7: About four dollars twenty No, you might get half, it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: I hate these questions. I might try and buy eggs.
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Speaker 1: I can't find them, so I don't even know how
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Speaker 1: much they are either. But there's a great follow up
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Speaker 1: to this when Anthony Alberdezi turned up on two GB
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Speaker 1: and was asked this question by Mark Levy. Does billet
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Speaker 1: your proper private residents gone up all down? It's a
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Speaker 1: very simple question.
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Speaker 3: I live in the lodge, that's where I live.
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Speaker 5: So you're not to tell us what your private property
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Speaker 5: your electricity, but whether.
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Speaker 1: It's gone up or down, that's where I live. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Elbow's got a house. He doesn't know what happened to
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Speaker 1: the electricity price, or couldn't bring himself to say, guess
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Speaker 1: what it's gone up.
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Speaker 4: I mean those sorts of questions. I understand why they
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Speaker 4: asked them. But Chris, I'm dairy intolerant and gluten internl
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Speaker 4: so I don't drink milk and I don't eat bread.
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Speaker 1: But I can ask for a while, you didn't have
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Speaker 1: a petrol car.
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Speaker 2: Correct, Correct, I.
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Speaker 4: Can tell you that a dozen eggs will cost you
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Speaker 4: north of eight bucks. I can tell you that, But
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Speaker 4: because I don't eat the other stuff, I couldn't tell you.
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Speaker 4: I can tell you what my power bill is. Just
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Speaker 4: I understand why they asked those questions, but they are
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Speaker 4: in the moment and they don't serve us the voters.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, although I just thought the comeback from Mark
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Speaker 1: to j Brill because electricity prices are crucial, and he
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Speaker 1: proved that the Prime Minister either has no idea doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to work. Pick Barnica and I talked a lot
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Speaker 1: at the top of the program about honesty, there was
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Speaker 1: this brilliant little snippet from last night. My word is
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Speaker 1: my bond, remember that, missile?
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Speaker 2: I do?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, but you broke your.
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Speaker 1: Word I did. How about that? He admitted he's broken
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Speaker 1: his word, Carrow. That's honesty, I know.
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Speaker 11: And it's almost refreshing. It's almost refreshing well. And the
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Speaker 11: fact of the matter is is that he actually couldn't
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Speaker 11: say otherwise because you know, he's he's already on a
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Speaker 11: hiding to nothing as far as his credibility and ability
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Speaker 11: to be honest was. And sometimes, like sometimes with things
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Speaker 11: in life, as in politics, you're better off copying it
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Speaker 11: on the chin than making it a whole lot worse
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Speaker 11: than it could.
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Speaker 1: Could otherwise be.
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Speaker 11: And it makes me think of like the strides and
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Speaker 11: effect of things. Right, you just say it, you quarterize it,
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Speaker 11: and you get on with it, so that there's probably
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Speaker 11: probably one of the few slithers of honesty that we've
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Speaker 11: seen from this Prime minister. But to say anything otherwise
47:06
Speaker 11: would be totally indefensible. And the simple fact of the
47:10
Speaker 11: matter is is we have seen a whole lot through
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Speaker 11: this campaign of labor just being so totally loose with
47:21
Speaker 11: the truth on so many things, whether you want to
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Speaker 11: talk about health, whether you want to talk about energy
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Speaker 11: prices like you were just referring to that at that
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Speaker 11: section on two GB just there. And the simple fact
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Speaker 11: of the matter is is that if this Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: can backflip and think he'll get away with it, he will.
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Speaker 18: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, I agree about the lies. They've just been relentless,
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Speaker 1: the labor lies. But that means the Coalition's got to
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Speaker 1: get better and stronger about calling them out. Let me
47:47
Speaker 1: show you another slippet from a slippet from the debate
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Speaker 1: last night. I love the spit because Albo's trying to
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Speaker 1: explain why he can't get to speak to President Donald Trump.
47:55
Speaker 1: And his reason was he reckons Trump doesn't have a mobile.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly mute his number you're texting.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that he has a mobile phone, the
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Speaker 3: US President or Joe Biden's not the way it works
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Speaker 3: when you have with any global leader.
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Speaker 1: Now this is laughable. These blocks have mobiles. Maybe they
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Speaker 1: don't do the official calls on them, but they have mobiles.
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Speaker 1: Albo and I have our text exchange.
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Speaker 2: It's just the way it goes.
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Speaker 1: And this was all put to bed this morning here
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Speaker 1: on Sky and when we had this interview with the
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Speaker 1: former White House staffer.
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Speaker 5: I texted with him last time, I think right after
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Speaker 5: the shooting in July and Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 12: So yeah, that he absolutely has a cell phone.
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Speaker 1: It. Yeah, Trump's former chief of staff knows he's got
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Speaker 1: to sell phone.
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Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous. It's bit sad.
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Speaker 4: Actually, like he's just trying to be the cool kid.
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Speaker 4: And obviously he has no Internet. I mean, he has
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Speaker 4: no international standing.
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Speaker 2: I don't think.
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Speaker 4: I mean my observation, I've traveled extensively in the last
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Speaker 4: eighty months in the Middle East, as you know, and
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Speaker 4: I just don't think anyone's losing sleep over what Anthony
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Speaker 4: Alberanezi thinks outside of Australia.
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Speaker 5: It's actually a bit sad.
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Speaker 1: So we had to go backwards today and sort of
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Speaker 1: admit that the phone call thing, that the mobile phone
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Speaker 1: thing was nonsense.
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Speaker 3: I don't have Donald Trump's number. I didn't have Joe
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Speaker 3: Biden's number. It's not the way it works between the
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Speaker 3: Australian Prime Minister and the US president. There are formal
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Speaker 3: processes take place. I've had two very warm conversations with
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Speaker 3: President Trump.
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Speaker 1: There you go a little bit more honesty from the
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Speaker 1: Anthony Ivenezi. Thanks for joining us, Caroline Drosso and Jem
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Speaker 1: and todm Yuni. Will catch you next week where right
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Speaker 1: out of time now Peter Quedlin is up next. I'll
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Speaker 1: join you tomorrow night at five o'clock. We're got a
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Speaker 1: nice little surprise for you. I'll see you there