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5-27-26 Hour 2 - Should the Avs run it back?/Did the Avs "quit" last night?/Curious Cale conversation · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: We run into a buzz on Vegas. I think they
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  Speaker 2: deserve the credit, and it's not a knock on our
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  Speaker 2: guys and how hard we played. But they're a well
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  Speaker 2: oiled machine right now peeking at the right time. And
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  Speaker 2: I look at their series and man the man they're
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  Speaker 2: like they're they're playing at the top of their game.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a very very good team that we lost to,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll have to regroup and reassess and reflect on
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  Speaker 2: our season and our series and then.
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  Speaker 3: Go from there.
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  Speaker 4: It's Betsy after the game.
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  Speaker 5: If you guys missed it, This is how Towards exited
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  Speaker 5: his press conference after the game.
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  Speaker 6: Off be.
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  Speaker 5: Well, coaching fraternity, having his guys back. I suppose on
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  Speaker 5: the way out and we don't know what's gonna happen here,
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  Speaker 5: you expect something.
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  Speaker 4: Something's going to happen. I don't know what.
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  Speaker 7: That is or nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I would expect something or nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't mean happens in the next twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 5: But I mean if they let's just say, hypothetically, if
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  Speaker 5: they ran everything back, what's your response.
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  Speaker 7: I have to take a couple more hours outside of
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  Speaker 7: this radio show to look at this roster, like the
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  Speaker 7: unrestricted free agents on this roster. The one guy that
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  Speaker 7: I would want back is Koulak, right, I think everybody
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  Speaker 7: else's whatever. Moses, would you agree with me on that?
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  Speaker 7: Koulak is the one guy that I say, Okay, make
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  Speaker 7: room for him. The other guys, as much.
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  Speaker 3: As I hate to say, super Studietie, Yeah yeah, super
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  Speaker 3: steady Eddie is what he is.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Now, if you want to make changes, we had
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  Speaker 7: this conversation about the Nuggets as well. If you want
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  Speaker 7: to make changes, I think you got to start with
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  Speaker 7: the core, not the periphery. That's me.
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  Speaker 5: Here's here's your UFA's going in this year and most
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  Speaker 5: let me know if I'm missing anybody from what I see,
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  Speaker 5: it's Burns, Kulac, kiv, Ronten, Blankenberg, Yeah, yep, that's it, Yep, cool.
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  Speaker 4: Ac, it's it.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. I mean, hey, man's Burnsie's gonna turn forty
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  Speaker 3: two next year. I'm sure he wants to play because
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  Speaker 3: he wants to set the record. He's also you know,
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  Speaker 3: still an effective guy at time, you know, I mean
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  Speaker 3: for what he does, he's not He's not twenty seven anymore. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, look, you're it's about the core again.
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  Speaker 3: I go back, and fans don't want to hear this.
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  Speaker 3: I go back to the ninety six team, to the
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and one team, and your core stayed right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Zach Forsburg wah foot and exactly right. And then you
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  Speaker 3: added in you know, you added in a Ray Bark,
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  Speaker 3: you added in a Rob Blake, right, these are pretty
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  Speaker 3: too gigantic friggin' ads, But but you're you're left absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Alex Tangay, Mike Mike Keane was gone, Scott Young was gone,
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  Speaker 3: Chris Simon was gone, Debtor was gone. These were backbone
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  Speaker 3: guys for this organization. These were heart and soul kind
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  Speaker 3: of guys for this organization. But you kept your core.
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  Speaker 3: And it took five frigging years. In Pierre Laqua, the
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  Speaker 3: late great Pierre Lacua, I'm sure was pulling his hair out,
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  Speaker 3: but they did get back there. They got back five
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  Speaker 3: years later and one again, and it's not that's hard
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  Speaker 3: help great, Yeah, Vic, I know people don't want to
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  Speaker 3: hear that this morning, but that they don't, you know, and.
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  Speaker 7: That team, that team was assembled Brett before the salary
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  Speaker 7: cap existed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you could spend whatever you exactly right then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and teams did and there were some powerhouses. I
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  Speaker 3: mean Dallas was a powerhouse. But it's also the fans
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  Speaker 3: don't want to hear that. I look at Vegas right now,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a very good team that fired their coach,
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  Speaker 3: you know, by the end of the regular season. But
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  Speaker 3: they've also caught lightning in a bottle. And that's like,
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  Speaker 3: like Stone was saying, to what's your face? That's that
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  Speaker 3: esoteric thing that you just you can't put your finger,
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  Speaker 3: you can't say, oh yeah, that that's why watch kids
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  Speaker 3: lightly well because of this and this. It's just like no,
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  Speaker 3: it just sort of beams in from outer space, right,
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  Speaker 3: And that's yeah, that's how these things work. And you
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  Speaker 3: can have a great, great team and still find yourself
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  Speaker 3: on the wrong end. And I said this, I was
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  Speaker 3: talking to my buddyho's a Buffalo fan, and and this
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  Speaker 3: is after Buffalo lost in their series to Montreal. I like,
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  Speaker 3: it'stantly cut. Playoff hockey is just so frigging brutal. It
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  Speaker 3: can just be so brutal to a human being. Because
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  Speaker 3: you can be the better team, you can have the
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  Speaker 3: better analytics, be this blah blah. It doesn't mean squat.
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  Speaker 3: It's all scoreboard doesn't mean squat.
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  Speaker 7: One thing I've learned about the NHL over these years,
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  Speaker 7: it's the one sport where this rings true, the one
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  Speaker 7: sport where this happens all the time. A hot team
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  Speaker 7: beats a great team happens all the time, more so
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  Speaker 7: than any other sport. I've seen a hot team, and
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  Speaker 7: that hot team can have a hot goalie, could have
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  Speaker 7: whatever hot beats great more than any other sport.
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  Speaker 4: Brendan has been waiting patiently. Go ahead, Brennan.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, good morning, guys. Can you hear me?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, we got you.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: Hey. So this is a tough, tough feeling. First of all,
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  Speaker 8: just want to say thank you to you guys for
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  Speaker 8: being there for us this year. I've been a long
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  Speaker 8: time listener. It's always good to listen in and kind
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  Speaker 8: of get a little bit of ease after these nights.
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  Speaker 8: I honestly think this is something that you can't really
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  Speaker 8: just sleep on one night and figure out what's going on.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, we've said it multiple times. If Betsy gets fired,
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  Speaker 8: he is going to get hired at another spot instantly.
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  Speaker 8: And were we not saying weeks ago, if not like
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  Speaker 8: the last few years, that this dude needs to win
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  Speaker 8: the Jack Adams I mean, what happened with that?
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's funny going.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, No, yeah, I was gonna say. I mean
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  Speaker 8: additionally with CMAC too. I mean, the dude is literally
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  Speaker 8: nominated for GM of the Year. Another instance where we're saying, dude,
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  Speaker 8: this guy is the best general manager in the freaking league.
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  Speaker 8: Why is it suddenly we need to start pointing guns
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  Speaker 8: at him? I mean, people are saying, as far as
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  Speaker 8: coaching goes, that David Carl, the head coach of the
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  Speaker 8: du Pioneers, would be good. Guys, Let's reassess this one
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  Speaker 8: again too. David Carl is thirty four years old. There
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  Speaker 8: are players on the team that are the same age,
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  Speaker 8: if not older than this guy, and he's never coached
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  Speaker 8: in the NHL for an NCAA schedule and NHL schedule
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  Speaker 8: are two completely different things. We talk about blowing up
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  Speaker 8: the core. Who is the team gonna trade next?
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  Speaker 9: Guys?
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  Speaker 8: We already tried that. We traded Nico Ranson in last year,
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  Speaker 8: we literally blew up the core. It's again, it's something
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  Speaker 8: that I don't think you can just sleep on one
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  Speaker 8: night and have this type of decision. This is something
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  Speaker 8: that the guys need to eat. This is something that
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  Speaker 8: they need to feel over the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 8: I'm glad you guys just played with what Torch said
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  Speaker 8: about Bednar too. Get off bed Us. I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 8: what again the deed should be nominated for Jack Adams
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  Speaker 8: this year that everybody's torchy.
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  Speaker 3: Torch is going someplace he hasn't gone in twenty two years.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to a Stanley Cup final. He knows what
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  Speaker 3: he of all people, which is maybe. And look, he
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  Speaker 3: was head coach to the Blue Jackets, chaired, was with
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  Speaker 3: Lake Erie when they won the championship, and so on,
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  Speaker 3: blah blah blah, so you know they know each other
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  Speaker 3: that way. But heat of all people knows. Damn man,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to get there. It just really people don't hear.
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  Speaker 3: But it's true. It's you gotta you gotta just have
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  Speaker 3: these magical seasons. You can be a behemoth, but you
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  Speaker 3: have to have magical seasons too. It has to. It
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  Speaker 3: all has to come together, so many different pieces of
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  Speaker 3: the pie that have to come together.
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  Speaker 7: That caller rationalized, I think what we were trying to
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  Speaker 7: say so well, so eloquently. How we in sports media,
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  Speaker 7: we as sports fans, I mean, we're doing it this morning.
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  Speaker 7: We are so reflexive, We're so hair trigger when it
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  Speaker 7: comes to stuff like this, and the smart people take time,
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  Speaker 7: take time to assess, to react, and sometimes we don't
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  Speaker 7: want to give it time. I mean, everybody's getting blamed today.
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  Speaker 7: He went down the list Bednar two weeks ago. Why
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  Speaker 7: is any Jack Adams now? Everybody wants them gone? Cemac
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  Speaker 7: a week ago. This guy's the best in the business. Now, everybody,
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  Speaker 7: what's he doing? Is he assembling the right team? The
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  Speaker 7: core players? The Kinnon's the best player on earth?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Where was he?
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  Speaker 7: Mcarr? Oh my god? Why didn't he play? I mean
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  Speaker 7: we all changed tunes during the course of one series.
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  Speaker 7: Every single hell. I'm reading Sean Keeler's column this morning
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  Speaker 7: in the Post, and I love Sean. I think he's
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  Speaker 7: one of the best in the business. But I'm reading
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  Speaker 7: the sentence and I'm like, I'm laughing because it's a
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  Speaker 7: reflex sentence. It makes zero sense. To me, he writes.
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  Speaker 7: Stan Kronkey and Josh Cronky are hoops, football and soccer guys. First,
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  Speaker 7: they treat the ABS like a burgundy headed stepchild. And
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  Speaker 7: I'm laughing. They've spent to the max every year on
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  Speaker 7: the What are you kidding me? You're kidding me right,
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  Speaker 7: there's it's a reflexive. It's it's it's reactionary.
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  Speaker 3: I heard this last night. I heard this well if
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  Speaker 3: it just would have started Blackwood earlier. Yeah, I saw
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  Speaker 3: that one too, And it's you. You can't jump through
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  Speaker 3: a phone and punch somebody, but I'd like to, because
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  Speaker 3: that's that's such a knee jerk, Like you said, reflexive reaction.
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  Speaker 3: It's just did he play well last night? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 3: thought he played pretty damn well. I you know, well.
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  Speaker 4: And here's the other thing, like and people are people.
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  Speaker 3: People are looking to us for answers this morning, and
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  Speaker 3: more is going to have more. You're the fans are
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  Speaker 3: going to learn more about their team in the next
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  Speaker 3: week and so on.
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  Speaker 5: Let me just say something on that subject of people
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  Speaker 5: are tuning in looking for answers, and admittedly I'm not
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  Speaker 5: doing a very good job for you, and I don't
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  Speaker 5: have the answers most of the time, anyway, I always
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  Speaker 5: tell you, I just I have thoughts on what to
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  Speaker 5: think happens. But a day like today, I'm especially at
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  Speaker 5: a loss. And here's why you're asking me. Do I
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  Speaker 5: take the last four games into account as the overarching
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  Speaker 5: sort of sentiment to this season? Do I take the
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  Speaker 5: last four games as my trigger for what I should
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  Speaker 5: do moving forward? Or do I take the previous what would.
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  Speaker 4: That be ninety one? Is it ninety one games?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 4: Ninety ninety one? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Do I take the first ninety one games as the
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  Speaker 5: thing to base my off season moves off of, or
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  Speaker 5: do I do it in the last four? And it's
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  Speaker 5: difficult because the last four are the only ones that
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  Speaker 5: truly matter because those are the ones that ended your season,
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  Speaker 5: But the ninety one led you to the last four.
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  Speaker 5: So do I ignore the ninety percent of evidence that
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  Speaker 5: I was given this year or just take that little
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  Speaker 5: last five to ten percent and say, well, that is
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  Speaker 5: the biggest thing I need.
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  Speaker 4: To focus on.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I don't I don't know where to go
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  Speaker 5: from here because when you ask me, just on the surface,
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  Speaker 5: especially when it comes to a guy like Bednar, do
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  Speaker 5: I understand the justification for why people think there needs
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  Speaker 5: to be a coaching change when you take in totality, Moje,
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  Speaker 5: It's been a decades worth of McKinnon and mccarr and
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  Speaker 5: Landscag and everybody else in this roster, super talented teams
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  Speaker 5: that have been seen as either the Cup favorite or
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  Speaker 5: one of the top teams as Cup favorites, and you
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  Speaker 5: have a single championship to show for. It is that
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  Speaker 5: disappointing to where you could point at a common denominator
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  Speaker 5: over the last decade. Yes, I totally understand it. But
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  Speaker 5: when I watched the last four games, do I think
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  Speaker 5: that you lost because John Tortorella is that much better
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  Speaker 5: of a coach than what you have?
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think that's the case.
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  Speaker 7: Of course, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think your top guys didn't show up for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: You're right, You're right about that, And again, people they
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  Speaker 3: want to just point at this that here's what, here's why.
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  Speaker 3: We'll say in regards to your question, Brett, regarding the
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  Speaker 3: first ninety one and the last four, it's the last
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  Speaker 3: four that mattered the most, right, Yeah, I mean those
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  Speaker 3: are the ones that those are the ones that matter
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  Speaker 3: the most. Now you can do what Edmonton has done.
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  Speaker 3: Edmonton's fired what two coaches in the last three and
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  Speaker 3: a half four Yeah, how many years has it been?
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  Speaker 3: I mean right, lose you know, get to two finals
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  Speaker 3: and lose conference finals? And what has it gotten them?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 3: What has it gotten the Edmonton Oilers with the one
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  Speaker 3: of the best players on the planet, maybe the best
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  Speaker 3: player in mcpickles, what has it gotten them Brett?
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  Speaker 4: Basically mcpickles that one out.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's gotten him Jack friggin squat. But the point
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  Speaker 3: I'm making here in the last four games being the
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  Speaker 3: most important is Vicky. You know this as well as anybody.
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  Speaker 3: You never know when you're going to get back. You
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  Speaker 3: never know when you're really going to get a true
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  Speaker 3: kick at the can, and so when you're there, to
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  Speaker 3: not be able to do it and to not have
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  Speaker 3: the shiny object at the end of it, it's just
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  Speaker 3: mentally and physically debilitating on a team because you put
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  Speaker 3: so much into it trying to get their Brett and
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  Speaker 3: then you never know when you're going to be back.
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  Speaker 3: Remember Scott Gomez, New Jersey Devil rookie year ninety nine
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  Speaker 3: two thousand, they win the Stanley Cup. He's like, oh awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Next year they lose to the ABS in the Stanley
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  Speaker 3: Cup final, but he's like, you know what, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: be doing this all the time, man, Welcome to the NHL.
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  Speaker 3: This is great. And you know what, after his career
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  Speaker 3: was over, he goes, God, I never even came close again.
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  Speaker 3: I never even remotely got back, you know, because you
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  Speaker 3: just don't know what we have right now as a
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  Speaker 3: team that I think is capable of winning in the
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  Speaker 3: right you know, I guess the right circumstance. I it's
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  Speaker 3: they were built to win. Everything about them was win.
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  Speaker 3: It's unreal. Well, it's unreal.
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  Speaker 4: Just to go full most here.
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  Speaker 5: And if you allow me to quote a movie, do
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  Speaker 5: you remember in Moneyball when Art Haue walks up to
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  Speaker 5: Billy Bean and he goes, it's very difficult to manage
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  Speaker 5: with one year left on my contract, especially for a
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  Speaker 5: coach who won one hundred and eight games the year before.
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  Speaker 5: And Billy Bean says, what if you lose the last
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  Speaker 5: game of the season, Nobody gives a bleep. And that's
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  Speaker 5: how a lot of people feel this morning. And again,
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  Speaker 5: I don't blame you for feeling that way. But you're
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  Speaker 5: asking me to ignore the ninety one previous games to
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  Speaker 5: the final four and just say that's all that matters.
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  Speaker 5: And that's difficult, So a lot more to get to here.
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  Speaker 4: Stick around.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it's freaking hard to.
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  Speaker 2: Not play for so long and come into a big game.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I just said, go play with best
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  Speaker 2: a challenge, in the best chance I can to win,
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  Speaker 2: and just battle.
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  Speaker 5: It's Bekinsie black Will after the game last night. He
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  Speaker 5: was put in a very tough situation, hasn't played for
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  Speaker 5: a long time and then gets thrust into a do
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  Speaker 5: or die and I think was the best guy in
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  Speaker 5: the ice made huge save after huge save. When you
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  Speaker 5: got somebody that has held your opposition to a single
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  Speaker 5: goal through you know, fifty five minutes, that should be
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  Speaker 5: good enough to win, especially for this AVS team, and
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't. And that's kind of been the case over
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  Speaker 5: the course of this series. I mean, a team that
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  Speaker 5: put up nine goals in Game one against Minnesota had
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  Speaker 5: seven and four games.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost inexplicable.
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  Speaker 5: And again we're trying to parse through what led to
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  Speaker 5: what and how things kind of played out, and all
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  Speaker 5: these different details it's it's hard to fathom that a
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  Speaker 5: team just plays like the complete opposite of what you've
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  Speaker 5: witnessed for an entire year.
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  Speaker 7: I thought you made a good point to open the show, Brett.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people bring up the word quit, and
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  Speaker 7: did the team quit last night? It depends on how
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  Speaker 7: you define it. Physically, to the very bitter end, they.
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  Speaker 3: Were playing hockey. Now.
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  Speaker 7: They scored with two minutes left, right, they were right
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  Speaker 7: there on the doorstep. They were trying to even the game.
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  Speaker 7: So physically, I'll never believe that. I think they were
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  Speaker 7: doing whatever they could. Mentally, different story, yeah, because I
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  Speaker 7: think the doubt crept in and I think that doubt
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  Speaker 7: arrived somewhere in the second period of Game one of
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  Speaker 7: this series, and that doubt stayed there even when they
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  Speaker 7: were up three to nothing in Game three.
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  Speaker 3: Of the series.
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  Speaker 7: The doubts stayed there. It lingered there, and they could
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: not rid themselves of that doubt. Yeah, and for whatever reason,
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: I don't know if this is a psychology experiment, that
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: doubt took down the best team in hockey.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I don't care assessment, Vick, because when you've been rewarded again,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: it's gonna sounds simplistic. But when you've been rewarded for
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: your hard work and you see the results, if you
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: stick with this and you keep doing this and the
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: results will come to you, you can honestly buy into
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: that and get behind at big time. But when you're
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: playing good hockey and the analytics say whatever they say,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: yet you lose that first game, and then you're playing
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: fifty minutes of good hockey in game two, you've got
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: to lead, but you just can't get that next goal. Well,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: why can't I get that next goal? Why isn't this
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: a two nothing lead, Brett? In game two? And it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: only a one nothing lead? That allows what happened in
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the middle of the third in game two to happen, right,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and then Vick's right. Then it starts to seep in
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: a little bit more and seep in a little bit more.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: And it's not a conscious thing. I don't think. I
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: think it's a subconscious thing that permeates through a team.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: It's just it's friggin bizarre. It's friggin bizarre.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Let's get to Rick. He's been waiting for close to
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: an hour. Go ahead, Rick, thank you for being patient.
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, morning, guys, how are you good, good. He just
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: wanted to say for being here for us all season,
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: and Dick condolences to.
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: Thanks well.
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: I gotta say I don't you know, a lot of
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: people are gonna blame bed, But at the end of
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: the day, from a leadership perspective, you know, I've been
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: a leader for twenty years of my life, and at
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: the end of the day, you can train and train
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: and train and practice practice, practice, But at the end
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: of the day, what it comes down to is those
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: those six guys on the eyes have to execute, and
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: it's not the goalie's fault. He can only go so far.
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: I think Mackenzie did an amazing job last night. But
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: if your guys, you know, the five guys out there
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: on the ice, aren't performing, then you're gonna lose. If
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: you're not shooting the puff, which seems to be a
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: huge problem this this series, guys aren't shooting putting pucks
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: on net. You can't win. If you can't score, you're
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: not gonna win. That's just you win by beating the
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: other team by scoring more points. If you're not scoring,
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: you're not gonna win. And so if you're not performing,
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: it's what Kaner was just saying, I don't know what
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: happened out of the last ninety games to get us here,
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: but these last four games was not my avalanche that
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: that played those first ninety and they just they just
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: didn't execute. So it's not Betsy's fault. He's the greatest
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: coach on the planet in my eyes. You just need
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: your guys to come through and execute.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: So thanks, very appreciate the call. I do think a
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: lot of this can be tied back to just mentally
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: not having it as well as Vegas did. And here's
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: the thing. When you put the screws to somebody, when
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: you get them in a position they're not comfortable with,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: you learn a lot about how people react in situations
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: like that. Vegas was never really put there. I mean
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: you could say you jumped out three to nothing. That's
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: in Game three where they got a two to zero
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: series lead. Like, that's not pressure on Vegas there. It's
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: the same thing that the Avs faced when they were
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: playing against Minnesota in Game five when they were down
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: three to nothing. There's no pressure on the Avs to
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: go out and like, if we don't do the X,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Y and Z, then wearn's some big trouble it's you're
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: still playing lose.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: A question?
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead?
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Sorry, sorry, I want to ask a stupid question because
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: we focus on the stupid a lot on the show
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: or Masters of the Stupid. Would you feel any different
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: if the Aves lost in seven versus in four?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: Okay? And the reason I asked that question is so
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: if they lost in seven, would we be question mean
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: as many things as we're questioning right now.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: The temperature would be way down if they If you're
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: talking about like a hard fought series back and forth,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: feel you're gonna feel that ultimate disappointment in game seven.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: But I think there is a lot more.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: People that would make an argument for run everything back,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: that you were this close and maybe a couple of
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: bounces didn't go your way sort of thing.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt O Vicker right now that the Vegas
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Golden Knights were a hot team. You know, Ben Nor
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: said something in the post game last night. He said
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: buzzsaw and that's that's kind of how they're playing right now.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: But Carter hurt in this series, I got your measurement. Plays.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Please we run into a buzz on Vegas. I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: they deserve the credit and it's not a knock on
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: our guys and how hard we played. But they're a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: well oiled machine right now, peeking at the right time.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And I look at their series and man, the man,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they're like they're they're playing at the top of their game.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And and it's a very very good team that we
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: lost to. And we'll have to regroup and reassess and
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: reflect on our season and our series and then go
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: from there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, And he said Carter Hart was playing really well.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: What did Mark Stone till Emily last night Brett as
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: to as to why they've found this this? Mojoe, what
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: do you say? Well?
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: She asked, how what did Towarts do to turn this around?
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: And he said, hey, just brings energy.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Hey, pray bring some energy. It's all good. Let me
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: explain this is right. My brain can't comprehend. Throw something
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: at you. The Washington Capitols this year had forty three wins,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: didn't make the playoffs at all, weren't even a playoff team,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: good enough to be a playoff team. Islanders forty three wins,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: not good enough to be a playoff team, Devil's forty two, Wings,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: forty one, Blue Jackets forty Panthers forty Sharks thirty nine wins.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: None of those teams made that you made the playoffs.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Theyvene good enough to make the playoffs. Vegas has thirty
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: nine wins. It's unbelieva when you see when you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: When you compare the wins for both of these teams.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: I'm just sitting here with my mouth a gape. Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: And Carter Hart, how many games he played in the
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: regular season this year?
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Eleven?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: He played eighteen eighteen games? Yeah, Brett, since you like numbers.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: He had a two point seventy to one goals against
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: average and an eight ninety one save percentage in eighteen
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: games in the regular season. And tors goes, it's going
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: there against that man, Get gets get something done. The guy,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the guy is just frigging hot right now. He's just
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: frigging hot. Can't explain it, don't know why? What what
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: is it? What's this? Why has God bestowed the luck
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: of or whatever it is that the good mojo on
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: these guys in this city. I don't know, man, it's
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: a game. Reaching out of that building last night.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: It's the theater at games saw.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how many faces I saw last night walking out
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: of that building. And I just looked at that face
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and not to myself. That person does not deserve happiness.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: That person does not deserve to feel the joy they're
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: feeling right now. And then I go back to I
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: go back to the old unforgiven cleans Wood says, deserves
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: got nothing to do with it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let's get one more here from somebody who's
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: been waiting patiently.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: That's Jason.
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: Hi, Jason, Jez, go nights go cheap.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: What just happened?
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: He said, Go nights go chiefs, Jason, real fun, Frank,
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: cool Carl, you got us, Hey, Jason, look at you
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: record that.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: Send it to your friends. Cool Carl. That was awesome, dude, Jason.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Here's what here's what way to do?
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Forty minutes to do that?
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, here's what I want you dude, that's gonna Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: that's big time. He's going big time.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Now, here's what I want you to do, Jason. I
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: want you to save that. And anytime you ask a
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: chick on a date, yes, and just realize you're never
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: going to you're never going to get down with a
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: woman your entire life.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just whatever, three.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Or three, that kind of that kind of thing goes
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: over really well.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: I have a I have a question from a friend
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: of mine, Kevin, who is a season ticket holder, big
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: hockey fan, and he asked this question, how much of
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: the Winter Olympic grind took its toll? Every Olympian that
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: made it for the Abs, Nelson McCarry, McKinnon, daves a
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: bunch of other Dude, they played more games than anybody,
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: arguably did not play at the top of their game.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I would look Vegas had a bunch
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: of Olympians too, right, I mean Mark Stone was on
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: that Olympic team.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not buying any of the If we're trying
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: to argue fatigue stuff for whatever, like I had a
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: week I'm not doing this.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: Man on that they had a week off keV between
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: those two series. So mental fatigue, maybe physical fatigue. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: just can't everybody's fatigued. Hell, I'm fatigued. I'm I'm fatigued
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: on a daily basis working with these two.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: There is I'm just I'm telling you I'm not here
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: for the Well, gosh, look.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: At how many games. I can't do that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, every team is going through the same grind. Every
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: team has injuries. Does it suck that you didn't have,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: you know, cal mccarr for the first couple of games
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: of the series.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, does it suck that?
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: You know what's funny motion, I thought McKennon looked pretty
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: normal last night.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Surprisingly, I didn't.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Feel like we had a lot of speed that that
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: got knocked off his game from taking that shot to
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: the knee.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: But I think in game three, I think it hit
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the nerve and deadened his leg for the rest of
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: that game.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Oh for sure, for sure, But I'm saying I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: actually surprised. Lucky, Go ahead, Lucky.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Lucky came back like he missed and then came back.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: But Lucky did not look like himself at all, or
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Tory Lucky and did not look like himself. Vow everybody will,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: everybody's gonna know. Everybody's going to know in the coming
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: days what everybody's dealing with.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Let's do one more here before the break. Nick, who's
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: been waiting patiently, Go ahead.
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: Nick, Good morning, guys. First thing Baked, My sincere sympathies.
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: My dad passed away two months ago, full blooded Italian.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: So I know the love, my friend, I know the love.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Just want to say.
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: You as well, Thank you, sir. Uh Moser, I'm going
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: to go to the east here. So everybody's saying, what
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: about this? What about that? Montreal was outplayed in every series,
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: out shot but somehow got through Carolina. How long have
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: the fans wanted to fire Brendamar? How many times has
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: he come up short? But what did they do? They
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: looked around the landscape and said, who's going to replace them?
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: Who's going to have the players respect? And I think
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: another thing, And I could be wrong. He's not joker
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: who kind of sits back. But who's to say McKennon, Micargo,
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: you're not firing coach. I've got an extension coming up.
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: I'm pro Bednard. Look around, who are you going to hire?
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: And we also have to realize it's not that we lost,
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: it's how we lost, and we went one series farther
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: this year. They made it to the Western Conference spots.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: We're acting like we were the Nuggets and got eliminated
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: in the first round. So either Bednard became the dumbest
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: coach after winning the President's Cup and going eight to
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: one in the first nine playoff games, or there was
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: something going on with the guys. So I think the
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: mccar injury mentally set them back. I think it affected them.
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: Kay's was not the same on the line, and that's
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: just my thoughts, guys, But firing Bednard? Sure? Is it
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: the quick, easy answer? Does that bring the locker room together?
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: Does that? What are you going to bring in a
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: tough coach who's gonna yell at McKinnon, yell at my car?
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: I just don't see that happen. So that's my take, guys,
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: have a great day, all right, Thanks it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: That's a great call because he hit on something that
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: I think is essential to this conversation, and that is
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: where do you go? And the easy refrain here in Denver?
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: Because I've seen this everywhere. Oh you've got a guy
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: waiting for you, that's right down the road. Do you
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: you know every time you hear coaching changes, Oh you
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: got a guy waiting for you? Do you Number one?
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: Does he even want the job? Number two? Do you
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: know he's going to be a good fit in the NHL?
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Number three?
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: There are so many factors. Just because you have a
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: guy that's successful at that level doesn't mean he's ready
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: to step in down the road. Being down the road
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: doesn't matter one bit. You don't think, hey, you know him.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: You don't think David Carl mos has had NHL overtures
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: over the last couple of years.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, Chicago a few years ago.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, you see it. He said he's had many, many, many. Look,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: if David Carl wanted to be an NHL head coach,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: he'd be one. He'd be one. He doesn't want. I
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: mean maybe someday, but it ain't. It ain't right now.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: At least, he'd be one.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: The only thing that I disagree with that call is
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: I'm also not here for the incremental step thing, like
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: I don't care that they made it to the Western
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Conference final.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: We know it was you win the cupper or it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: a failure. Now, there's different levels. I suppose a failure
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: in that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: You know again, you asked me the question, Vic, would
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: I feel better about this if they lost in seven
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: then getting swept to you, like, yeah, it would make
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: it feel better.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: But if they got to the Cup final and lost
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: in four, Oh, I don't think you would feel much
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: different than this. Okay, So it's the same feeling, right, Yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: that's that's that's why we're at a loss of words today.
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: Losing at this at this.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Point hurts the way they lost.
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: Caller brought up one specific point most I want to
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: I want to readdress this the Kale mccarr injury. I
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: don't think it's a secret when he went down and
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: the hubbub surrounding his injury that did something. It did
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: so did something.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Hang on to that, VIC.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: We'll get to it in just a second Instagram, all right,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: So typically this would.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Be a reserved for oh, by the way, We're gonna
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: blow right through that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: But just to let you know, if we were to
• 32:34
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  Speaker 5: home and simplifying your life. But I just want to
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: continue with this. I think the Kale question is a
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: very interesting.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: One, and.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know the proper way to sorry sort of
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: go about this. What I'm not saying, I'll tell you
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that the Avs
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: lost because Cale mccarr didn't play in the first two games.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: It was certainly a factor. When you don't have a
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: player of his ilk on the ice that matters.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: The conversation surrounding why Cale wasn't playing. And there is
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: a certain attitude that hockey players have. You know, when
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Scott Wedgwood says after Game three, you're gonna have to
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: kill McKinnon to not allow him to play in a series,
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: is it fair to ask the question Cale's injury and
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: his unwillingness to go was that questioned? Is that fair?
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: See, I think a delicate, delicate thing to dance right
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: now is you're walking a tight rope. Because I'm not
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: trying to say that somebody like he's soft or something
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: like that. Yeah, but the conversation surrounding why he didn't
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: go in the first couple of games was weird.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: It was odd. And that is the question. When I
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: bring up the Cale mccarthing, people automatically assume, oh, well,
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: don't make excuses he played games. It has nothing to
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: do with his availability on the ice. It has everything
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: to do with the mystery surrounding it. Yeah, and that's
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: what it has everything to do with, and what it
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: did to the room and in that sport vic when
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: guys are like, if you weren't cutting my leg off,
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna give it at least a go.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Did that affect something.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: That was like, hey, like, here's how it translated to me,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: And maybe I'm totally wrong, just my opinion, bed Nor.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Whenever he's asked about injuries.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: He'll always give you, like we hear every week when
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: we talk to him, when a guy's heard, he kind
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: of gives you this, he's working hard to get back on.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: And with Cale it was more of a nuanced ancer
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: than just that. He said, Cale's gonna tell us when
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: he's ready to go, And I just thought to myself,
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: that's different than what I've heard before. I didn't hear
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: when Josh Manson was out moj Well, Josh is gonna
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: let us know when he feels ready, or when Landeskog
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: was out after taking that you know that shot off
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: the ribs on the post in January, Well, Gabe's gonna
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: let us know when he's ready. That sounded to me
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: like he's been cleared and he's not going yet. That's
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: what it sounded like. And I just wonder in that
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: sport especially, were people kind of looking at that situation
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: sideways and maybe that affected Saby stuff.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I think you can only you can only ascertain the
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: answer to that if you put truth seerm in every
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: single player, yeah, including the other best players in the
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: world that are on this team, and get their thoughts
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: on it, and they have you and they tell you openly,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, whatever comes out of their mouth, and the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: truth serum is your answer. But I don't know. I
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: don't know. Here's what I do know. Maybe you needed
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: cale McCarry in Game two to have a two o
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: lead halfway through the third period as opposed to a
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: one o lead halfway through the third period. But what
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I do know is that even without Cale McCart you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: should make it a one to one series coming to Vegas. Yes,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, no doubt that in that
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: third period you can't just give up two bang bang
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and go, oh, what the hell just happened? I mean, yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: but again, listen to me, But again I have dude.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I've been in this sport for damn nearly thirty years.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I've been through every single playoff run for the Colorado
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Avalanche in one capacity or another, and I know what
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I know, and nobody wants to hear this, but it's hard,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and it's the most minute things that cause the difference
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: in a period, therefore a game, therefore a series. It's
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: just it's so stupid. Sometimes it's such a it's a
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: brutally unforgiving time. Stanley Cup playoff hockey?
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: How's that is that?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: That? That's the way I'm gonna put it. It's a
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that you don't screw up, but it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: brutally unforgiving when you do, or even this much, you're
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: disconnected and it's hard. So so so vic did did
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: that have anything to do with a vibe running through
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: the team or individual players? I have no idea. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: can imagine that it would, but I can also imagine
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: that they're going, hey man, we should we should have
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: hung on and it should have been one one. Coming
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: back to Vegas, I.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: Got another irrational question for you, And that's all I
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: have is irrational questions this morning. So where do we
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: go here? It doesn't make you feel better, Brett Kane?
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: Will you sleep if Vegas loses in the Stanley Cup Final?
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: I don't care? From here or not?
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Moj how do you react to that question?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I was talking to Johnny Lyles last night walking back
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: to the hotel.
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: It's gonna be a long answer.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: No, I just answer the question, I said, you be,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I know, yeah, I want them to lose VIC.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: Thank you. Now you can go on with your story.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I hope they get their asses completely throttled by anybody.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: But the reason I asked, and I think the only team,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I think the only team that can do that is Carolina.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: So I'm full on barbecue Kanes all the way right now.
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: So the reason I asked that question is because this
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: is fandom. This is the way we as fans operate,
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: you know, trying to rationalize, compartmentalize. Why would that have
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: any impact on the disappointment? Uh that just we just witnessed.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, their fate should have no impact on what
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: just happened, right, and yet it does.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: And yet it does now see the whole Like, well,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: you lost to the team that eventually won the championship.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: That does nothing for me.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Now I will have rooting interests based on teams that
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: I hate, and I hate Vegas, so I wanted to
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: lose for that just like it doesn't Does it make
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: me feel better about the Avs?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if they do lose or win or whatever.
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: But you took solace in watching Minnesota lose to San Antonio,
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: right that was fun.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed that, right right, same deal. But it didn't
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: change how I felt about the Nuggets.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: No, no, it doesn't. But that's why. If if Vegas
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: storms through the final, let's say Vegas sweeps Caroline, they win,
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, they's just on a hot heater. Does that
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: make you feel better? You ran into one of the
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: hottest teams ever?
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: No? Okay, no, no, I'm uh.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: Does the day at the spa with your significant other?
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: Does that make you feel better?
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: It feels good.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: I want those hot stones and legs.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: You know what, I'm gonna ask my lovely wife if
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I can have another pedicure. I've only had one in
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: my life. Who's about three and a half months.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: To do it as you deserve it, buddy, You deserve it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: You go and you rub your heel and you tickles.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe I'm up for one of those now,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: something to break me out of this.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Let's do another call here, somebody waiting patiently. Kirby is
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: up next.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Hi, Morgan Fellows, how y'all doing?
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: What's up?
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Buddy, Kirby. I'm on the eighth floor and I'm worrying
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: if it's high enough to break my leg or.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: To do me in Hey, I I get em. First
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: of all, I gotta say blessings to you Vic and
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: your family. My moser, I'm sure that you don't remember this. Uh,
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: you and the late great uh Peter McNabb uh brought
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: me and my family to hockey. I I got a
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: chance to meet you one time outside of ball arena,
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: and and we sat and talked and and uh McNabb
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: came out and I spoke to you both, and I
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: just wanted how much I respect you both, and I
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: love you both, and and uh the whole the whole
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: Altitude family. I you know, when when you guys aren't
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: doing the game, it just isn't right. And as far
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: as Jared Bedner, he did everything he could do. He
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: changed the line, he changed the goalie, he he did
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: everything he could do through that whole series. And the
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: bottom line is it all comes down to one thing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: Our top guys did not score Perriod, no getting around it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all you gotta do is look at the top
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: nine of each team in this series and see what
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: they did and what your guys didn't. I mean, brought
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Nelson didn't forget how to play hockey. He didn't forget score.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: How do you not score when he had that opening
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: in the second.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Vick, I don't know, because it's got to be something
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: now where again, it's got to be mentals because he rings,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: he rang it off the iron. In Game three, Man,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: you had a chance to make it four to two
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: and it hits the crossbar and ricochet's off, and you're like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: just one, just one of those, and everything can be
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: totally totally different.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: I feel so much.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: I feel so strongly in that that the Avs felt
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: like if they got something because Vic you mentioned this
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: yesterday in a crucial situation in the game, if they
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: got a goal.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: When the game mattered, when it was impactful.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Not when it was three to nothing in the first,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: but what it's like, it's a chance to close out
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Vegas in the third period, or a chance to tie
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: the game and grab some momentum back. They didn't get
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: a single one of those the entire series, not a
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: single one, and I think it could have done wonders
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: for when we talk about mentally, they just weren't on
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: par with Vegas. If they had a little dose of
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: positivity in a crucial moment, maybe that could have changed things.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: But they never got don't. They never did, And.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know why they went so long last night
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: somebody's asking me, you know, what did Vegas do defensively
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: that that just stifled and smothered the ABS that? Well,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: first of all, they played that style Vegas is not.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: They don't. They're much more like the La Kings than
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: they are like the Colorado Avalanche. I can promise you
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: that in this series did Vegas play better defensively than
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: the Kings did against the ABS? Good? Most? Did? They did? They?
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay that what I'm saying is did they
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: buy into the philosophy and try to execute it like, like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: you know, better than the think.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I think they did. I think they'a in a different way.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Most they were in front of every single shot, and
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: and La was just way more bruised and physical.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: The different The difference also is between the Avs having
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: the lead in any game or Vegas having the lead
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: in any game by the time you got to that lead.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: But we may look back on this, by the time
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: you got to the three nothing lead in Game three,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: your mentals maybe were already a little bit off right,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and then once that power play goal goes in, it's
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: a that's that waterfall for nine minutes, and then then
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the faucet shuts off. But Jesus, the damage has been done.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: It's now three to three.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: You know, it's interesting we bring up the word baffling,
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: and that's that's what this series was. I will never
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: get over. Of all the games right, game one just
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: they just looked out of sorts. Game one is like
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: one of those how they had too much rest it
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: can't get it going. And then eventually they got it going,
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: but too little, too late. They lost. You lost one.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: I could buy that, I could buy game one, Game two.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: One nothing.
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: Come on, get another goal, somebody else, come on, get
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: another goal. Yep, no, you're not gonna get another goal.
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: Oh you just gave up two in a row in
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: two minutes. Oh crap, that sucked. That was that that
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: made me mad. Game three though, Game three, of all
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: the games I witnessed Europe three, nothing you score on
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: a shorty. Everything is working your way. Hell, they took
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: a goal off the board for them that should have counted.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: Everything is going your way. You look like the Avs again,
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: and then you fall apart. That to me, that, to
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: me is something I will never be able to answer
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: why on that one.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: VIC, I don't know if the players can answer why.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe with further reflection they can, but I'm not sure
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: that they can really answer why. It's just something that
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: happens and nobody wants to hear that.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: I get it, But see, I can rationalize the other
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: things I can rationalize last night, I cannot, for the
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: life of me rationalize Game three.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: A lot more to continue with in the final hour
• 46:16
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