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Leanor Ortega Till: The Legacy of Five Iron Frenzy · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Today, we've got none other than the lovely, the beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: the saxophonist Leonor from five Ron Frenzy, one of our
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  Speaker 1: favorite people in the entire world. Actually, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned like some of the attributes of you, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe some of the descriptors of you. Maybe the best
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  Speaker 1: descriptor of you is you're just a damn good friend.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeay, yay. That's a good Yeah, that's a rad
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  Speaker 2: thing to be told. That's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, You're just a good friend. So yeah, among all
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  Speaker 1: the other things that you do in life, Leonora, you
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  Speaker 1: are a friend of Colin and I and we deeply
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  Speaker 1: appreciate your friendship. You're just such a cool, rad person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have good memories, mostly mostly at fest.
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  Speaker 1: And only some of them sober well, cheers, cheers, there
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  Speaker 1: we go. What are you drinking, Colin?
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  Speaker 3: A diet sun kissed.
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  Speaker 2: They make that. It's kind of like it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like we made sun kiss so that people would be
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  Speaker 2: addicted to this crap and like, sorry, sorry, especially you
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  Speaker 2: being super health conscious. But then it's like diet it
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  Speaker 2: cancels itself out.
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  Speaker 3: It does there's no point. I haven't had a sip
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  Speaker 3: of alcohol in like two months.
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  Speaker 1: So oh I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: Not by choice. It just is like it's just what happens.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, well.
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  Speaker 2: I would I would veer to say the red wine
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  Speaker 2: is better than diet sun kissed.
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  Speaker 3: Probably.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I think that those those that caliber
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  Speaker 2: of people that are making the wine or like, I
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  Speaker 2: would rather not poisoned people. I'm just saying you led
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  Speaker 2: it though.
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  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: I no strict I you know, I'd rather give my
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  Speaker 2: kids wine. No, I'm just kidding. Let's move on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's let's incriminate you, Leonord. That'd be great.
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  Speaker 3: Your household is just full of drunk teenagers. It's great.
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  Speaker 2: It's full of teenagers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not drunk, right, Okay, very very so. Well
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  Speaker 3: you've saved your soul here cheers.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. Well, Leonora, we want to talk all
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  Speaker 1: things Five Iron Frenzy. You know, kind of the main
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  Speaker 1: thing I mentioned this earlier today was I really want
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  Speaker 1: to talk kind of like legacy of Five Iron. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure as a person that's in the band, you're probably
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  Speaker 1: the kind of person where you're like, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the influence that we have in the
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  Speaker 1: world like you're just so you're probably the kind of
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  Speaker 1: person that's like, I just want to make our music
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of it, but it is I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you guys have been around for over thirty years,
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  Speaker 1: close to thirty five years.
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  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, with a nine year break.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, but still, like you know, there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have been around for a hot second.
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  Speaker 2: And so since you're you, you can say that because
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  Speaker 2: you're probably as old as we are as a band.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, so I think Mason's younger than
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  Speaker 3: you are as a band.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you guys start again? Nineteen ninety ninety five,
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  Speaker 1: ninety five?
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Oh I'm ninety.
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  Speaker 2: Four, okay, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Five irons older than me. Many things are, but wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool to know. Well, I mean five iron I
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  Speaker 1: mean like y'all are going to be thirty one this
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  Speaker 1: year then, or you all are thirty one this year.
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  Speaker 2: So that's let me back up to the word legacy. However,
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  Speaker 2: it feels like you're saying I'm dying or that we're dying,
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  Speaker 2: like if we already like twenty twenty six, have to
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  Speaker 2: figure out our legacy what is I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: imagine if like and I'm not saying we're the caliber,
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  Speaker 2: but imagine like Stevie Wonder was like, I have to
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  Speaker 2: figure out my legacy when he was in his forties.
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  Speaker 2: Homeboys still at it. That's that's it's a premature question.
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  Speaker 3: Is especially when you especially when y'all just came out
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  Speaker 3: with your best record that you ever have, and.
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  Speaker 2: Especially because there's and especially because there's about ten years
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  Speaker 2: between our records, you have to give time. But anyway, yes,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about the legacy. I think it is kind
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  Speaker 2: of hard.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all aren't spring chickens either, right?
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  Speaker 3: How about instead of a legacy, let's use the word
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  Speaker 3: the enigma of five Iron Friency.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's very eighties. I guess I was thinking like eighties. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking of like there was a band called Enigma,
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  Speaker 2: and there's also NYA, and both of those are very irritating.
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  Speaker 3: Did you say enya?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Silloway, Silay.
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  Speaker 3: I love enya.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: My son actually listens every single night when he goes
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  Speaker 3: to bed.
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  Speaker 2: My daughter used to go to sleep watching Bob Ross
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  Speaker 2: and that works.
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  Speaker 1: That would do the trick, that would Yeah, his voice
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  Speaker 1: perfect for that. Yeah, well, the sounds that you all
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  Speaker 1: make definitely do not warrant falling asleep too. When I
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  Speaker 1: listen to five Iron, I'm fully awake, fully alive. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I really like when I think of five Iron,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you kind of have like a unique place
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  Speaker 1: within SKA in general, and then obviously you certainly have
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  Speaker 1: your own kind of spot, if you will, within Christian SKA.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like maybe a couple, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: a few years ago when we chatted with you on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, we had even talked about how Christian SKA
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  Speaker 1: has even like maybe a disproportional amount of influence in
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  Speaker 1: the especially within Is it the third I always forget this.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know all of the emo waves. What's
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  Speaker 1: the wave of SKA that you guys are in.
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  Speaker 2: We are considered the third wave, which is okay, SKA core,
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  Speaker 2: we're punk, added skat, and then I would say the
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  Speaker 2: new wave, the new stuff that is coming now is
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  Speaker 2: the fourth wave.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So y'all are in like the third wave,
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  Speaker 1: So especially within, like the third wave of SKA, Christian
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  Speaker 1: bands had like maybe a dis proportionate influence, then maybe
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  Speaker 1: what you would see in the other genres within music,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, I just like those are sort of
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  Speaker 1: the things that I really wanted to talk about today.
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  Speaker 1: And then obviously we'll want to talk about whatever Five
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  Speaker 1: Irons up to these days. And then yeah, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into some artists that you would you think you would like,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't, and then some artists that you do
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  Speaker 1: like that we wouldn't think you would. So we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into that later. But I'm trying to think where to
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  Speaker 1: begin this when Okay, so I will say this, you
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  Speaker 1: clearly have had the thought before, or I would imagine
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  Speaker 1: you've had the thought leonor that Five Iron has some
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  Speaker 1: level of influence within the general SKA scene. Like you
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  Speaker 1: would think that, you know, some of the bands that
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  Speaker 1: you play with, the bands that you know, the way
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  Speaker 1: that you all are talked about, maybe in reviews or
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  Speaker 1: other sort of music journalism, you would have to have
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  Speaker 1: some recognition that, like, you're not just like some SKA
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  Speaker 1: band that's still like playing in your parents basement or whatever, like,
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  Speaker 1: you have some level of influence. At what point.
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  Speaker 2: Mike's basement, somebody's basement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at what point did you have a sense that
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  Speaker 1: that was the case, Like, did you feel that on
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  Speaker 1: the first album that was it something that came later.
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  Speaker 1: At what point did you feel like, oh, we have
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  Speaker 1: a mark within the general SCO scene, not just specifically
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  Speaker 1: the Christian scoss scene, but the general scotscene.
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  Speaker 2: I think when we first started it was interesting because
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think I've talked about this before, but
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  Speaker 2: being from Denver, you're in the middle. So being in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of everywhere means back then people aren't flying
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  Speaker 2: to shows, They're driving, and there's nowhere close to go
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  Speaker 2: in the middle, so you have to go through Denver
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  Speaker 2: right for most apart. So that's why I like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of big bands we got to open for, like
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  Speaker 2: Less than Jake or back in the day, Pie Tasters,
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  Speaker 2: or open for I mean even the first year we
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  Speaker 2: were around, or first or second year, like opening up
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  Speaker 2: for gold Finger or just bigger, you know, secular SKO bands.
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  Speaker 2: I think it started to become more obvious when we
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  Speaker 2: would do shows and you would get a good mixture
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  Speaker 2: of people from the Christian scene and people that just
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  Speaker 2: liked mainstream SKA, you know, and then you'd have the
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  Speaker 2: conversations backstage and they'd be like, Oh, I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: know you were a Christian which is fine, that's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's okay if you know, and if you
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  Speaker 2: don't know, a lot of our tours had a benevolence
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  Speaker 2: attached to it. So if we were headlining, you probably
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  Speaker 2: would know because it'd be like five bucks in a blanket,
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  Speaker 2: Spam jam you have to bring like spam or sock
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  Speaker 2: puppet tour, bring socks and all these the money things
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  Speaker 2: would go to the the community. But with SKA Against
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  Speaker 2: Racism nineteen ninety eight, that was a pivotal time for
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  Speaker 2: us because it was the toasters. Mike Park put it
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  Speaker 2: on Mike Park from Skank and Pickle. Although Skank and
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  Speaker 2: Pickle didn't play, he put on the tour. Lesson Jake
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  Speaker 2: was on it, Kamrie from Japan was on it, Mustard
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  Speaker 2: Plug was on a few dates. M three point thirty
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  Speaker 2: was on all of it. If I can remember everybody,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there were just so many bands there, tons
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  Speaker 2: of bands, and one thing I can say, oh blue meanies.
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  Speaker 2: I can say there were thirty six musicians and I
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  Speaker 2: was the only female.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh impressive.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing about that that was so cool is
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  Speaker 2: that they knew, you know, that we were a Christian
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  Speaker 2: band and by Christian bands. You know these days, it's
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  Speaker 2: like they're bands that are comprised of Christians, and then
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  Speaker 2: there are missional Christian bands. We were a missional went
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  Speaker 2: on spiritual retreats as a band, had banned Bible studies,
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  Speaker 2: had a mission statement. You know, we weren't just happened
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  Speaker 2: to be Christians. We were, you know, people that had
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  Speaker 2: a mission statement. So I thought it was pretty cool
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  Speaker 2: to be on that tour and just see that it
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  Speaker 2: would be a little bit different backstage for us and
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  Speaker 2: also on stage for us.
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  Speaker 1: What So, one of the things that that's actually a
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  Speaker 1: really interesting point because one of the things that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of other genres of music, especially more like alternative
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  Speaker 1: genres of music, had struggle that there were struggle that
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  Speaker 1: those sort of Christian bands within those genres had was
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  Speaker 1: there was this stereotype, whether it was true or not
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  Speaker 1: remains to be seen, but or maybe in some cases
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  Speaker 1: it was true, in other cases it wasn't. But there
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  Speaker 1: was a stereotype that the Christian bands and within alternative
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  Speaker 1: music were not nearly as talented or not nearly as
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  Speaker 1: good as the non Christian bands, and therefore those were
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  Speaker 1: those bands rarely unless they were able to sort of
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  Speaker 1: transcend that stereotype. And I think, like you know, Under Oath,
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  Speaker 1: for example, like was able to very easily do that.
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  Speaker 1: Amberlin relying Ky, you know some of these other bands
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  Speaker 1: that were able to transcend that stereotype. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think it is about, especially like a very missional, you know,
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  Speaker 1: ministry focused type of band like Five Iron, where you
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  Speaker 1: guys could easily been written off by the general SCO scene.
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  Speaker 1: What was it that you think made Five Iron sort
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  Speaker 1: of respected among even your peers good music? That's why
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  Speaker 1: it comes down to you, right, yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know honestly, like if if the song sucked, the message
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be relevant at all, right, Like and similar to
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  Speaker 2: what you know, me without You, I mean an amazing
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  Speaker 2: live show, something that is not just wow. That's another
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  Speaker 2: kind of band. It's like Danielson Family. It's like certain
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  Speaker 2: bands have a almost a circus appeal, right, Like you
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  Speaker 2: go because you want to see what's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: five rounds like a three ring circus. There's different things
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  Speaker 2: going on on stage that you can see and then
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot to hear. And I think that it's
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  Speaker 2: a it's an event, not just a show.
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  Speaker 3: Do you do you think there's also an aspect of like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I know Reese writes most of the lyrics
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  Speaker 3: and everything like that, but do you think there's an
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  Speaker 3: aspect to like the lyrical content where the cred almost
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  Speaker 3: maintains itself a little bit because you're not You're not
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  Speaker 3: like following through with the exact same thing that maybe
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  Speaker 3: like the mainstream Christian church would be saying, you're you're
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  Speaker 3: actually living in the world and addressing the problems of
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  Speaker 3: the world in your music as well.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, but we didn't know that at the time. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's not calculated, sure, Like it's never saying like Reese
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  Speaker 2: never says, how do I appeal to right? Like and
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  Speaker 2: say with really kay, I guess okay, this is something
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  Speaker 2: that pisses me off, but it's very cool. I hate it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's something that Matt Teesson and Reese have
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  Speaker 2: in common that I don't like. So Reese used to
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  Speaker 2: be the assistant pastor at some of the Earth church
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  Speaker 2: and I was one of the pastors too, And I
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  Speaker 2: would work months on a sermon. You know, I would
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  Speaker 2: have all the concordances. I would you know, be looking
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  Speaker 2: at the Hebrew. I would have maps. I would study
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: with other people and Homeboy would preach and he'd come
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  Speaker 2: up and be like, oh, I forgot my notes. I
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  Speaker 2: forgot I was supposed to preach. And I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 2: a story that was scary about me and my dad.
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  Speaker 2: My dad almost died and he would I'm not making
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  Speaker 2: fun of it. But the whole thing is like, same
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  Speaker 2: as Matt Tisen, you put your heart on your sleeve,
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  Speaker 2: you share what sucksout you, which is true, right, And
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  Speaker 2: that is like, you know, the all the songs put
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  Speaker 2: together and suddenly like everyone thinks they're the best preacher
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  Speaker 2: or the best singer, and that similar lyrically is that
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  Speaker 2: the vulnerability. What I love about Reese's vulnerability and the
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  Speaker 2: songs is like I was a geek sucker punch I
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  Speaker 2: my parents got divorced, blue Comb. I think I'm a badass,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not really, you know, Kryptonize, A lot of
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  Speaker 2: those are honestly like finger pointing at himself or finger
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  Speaker 2: pointing at us as a society. And I think that
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  Speaker 2: that is like it's harsh to hear it because it's like, ah, damn,
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  Speaker 2: that really is us too. And I think that's why
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  Speaker 2: people got mad at the last album until This Shakes Apart,
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of the lyrics, instead of like the
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  Speaker 2: Bridge being like me, me, me, this is how I
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  Speaker 2: am the problem, it was just you, you, you, you you.
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  Speaker 2: And I think people couldn't handle that. They're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: why is he so angry? And it's like every album's
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  Speaker 2: been angry, it's just usually the Bridge kind of says
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  Speaker 2: and this is how I am part of the problem, right,
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  Speaker 2: And then with this album he didn't do that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I had mentioned this before, but there's
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  Speaker 2: one song that almost didn't make it on the new
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  Speaker 2: album until This Shakes Apart, and I had a fit
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  Speaker 2: and Dennis and I had a fit, and lyrically we
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  Speaker 2: really wanted it to be on there, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it was because musically it didn't fit. We
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of other good songs too, but it
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  Speaker 2: has this one line and it is a Leonard Cohen song,
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  Speaker 2: I think too. But it's also just a famous concept,
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  Speaker 2: which is the cracks are where the light comes in,
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  Speaker 2: and just the we needed that one, even if it's
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  Speaker 2: just one the redeeming line on the whole album, on
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  Speaker 2: the whole album that says, uh, not all hope is
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  Speaker 2: lost just because you're a dickhead, you know, because that
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  Speaker 2: song's about like the oil tyrant and it just makes
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: you think like is he just done for oh well
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  Speaker 2: sad for you? And maybe but maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always a path through redemption, is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also there's also a man in there that's
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  Speaker 2: a father, that's a husband, that has redeeming qualities. Like
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  Speaker 2: I just I wanted, I really wanted that line to
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  Speaker 2: be on the album because I thought that it even
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  Speaker 2: though it's one line, to me, it made the whole
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  Speaker 2: album just land more peacefully.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to back up a little bit, you mentioned I
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  Speaker 1: think it was like a tour. You said you were
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  Speaker 1: on this tour with other SKA bands and you were
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  Speaker 1: like you were the only woman among like thirty band members.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking through like, obviously the music in and
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  Speaker 1: of itself, obviously being good is probably maybe the main
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  Speaker 1: reason why Five Iron sort of was able to sort
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  Speaker 1: of break through, especially among sort of Christian SKA bands
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  Speaker 1: in the general scot scene. But you're even talking about like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, these other bands weren't Christian, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: weren't Christian ska bands. Do you have like a sense
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  Speaker 1: of like the fact that like you as a woman
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  Speaker 1: sort of there was something just unique, not even saying
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  Speaker 1: like there was a sort of pityiness of like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have the we need the scot Bane to
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  Speaker 1: have a woman in or whatever. But was there just
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  Speaker 1: something like when fans would see you all and then
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  Speaker 1: see a woman come up on stage, that just made
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  Speaker 1: something like, oh, that's different. Like I'm curious about that,
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  Speaker 1: Like do you do you have a sense that that
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  Speaker 1: was a part of your like uh, maybe breaking through
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  Speaker 1: within the general scot scene. You don't have you don't
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  Speaker 1: think that was part of it at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, I I don't. Like I just I never felt
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  Speaker 2: so different, you know. I Mean the only hard part
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: on skagainst Racism, and I've said this in other interviews,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: is that within the first week I'm having conversations of
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: like men and women can be just friends. Like you said,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I'm friendly and and you know when you have these
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: rockstar caliber dudes in their early twenties that all these
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: chicks are falling at them and they're like, how convenient,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, nah, not not convenient for you, doesn't matter.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Just you know, doesn't work like that just because you're
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: mister rad to a lot of people, doesn't, you know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: not that interesting. But I think that I think that
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I will say that Denver has a lot of women
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: in bands. Like if you went to the Underground Music
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Showcase here or the Westward Music Showcase, the amount of
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: women musicians are there's a lot. There's there's horned players,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: there's drummers, there's singers, there's bass players. And so when
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I would go to other cities, I'd be shocked that
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: there weren't women.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: It does kind of feel like as time's gone on too,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: especially in the alternative scenes, that that there is much
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: more female representation. Shout out to ye Women's Sincetory Month
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: and everything like that.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: By the way, right, well, do you have like a
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: sense that even like like if there was a woman
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: in the crowd, that she would see you all and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: see you and and sort of maybe maybe not even
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: thought like that they you know that that woman maybe
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: thought hey I can do that. Maybe that was the case,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: But do you have like a sense that like there
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: was something about you as a woman that was representing
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: other women on stage that that had something to do
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: with like maybe like like I don't know, for example,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: like do you think like there's maybe more women at
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your shows than other SKA shows, Like I don't know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you saw it in that way,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, did you have some sort of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: sense that like you as a woman had some sort
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of like that it mattered to other women that were
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: watching you.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I do think that a lot of dads bring their
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: daughters to shows because they want they want the little
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: girls to see you know, you can be in that spot,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: you can be doing what you want to do that
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: is fun. I've learned lately that I'm severely modest. I
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: knew I was modest, Like I know, like looking at
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: pictures of me back in the day, and then I'm like,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be modest. It's just Denver is
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: like jeans and T shirts, you know. But I will
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: say that we usually just wear what we wore that day,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: or maybe we put on a black T shirt, you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: like five run's not even back in the day. If
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you look at pictures, like sometimes Micah would fall on
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: where like flip flops and swim trucks because he thought
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: he was gonna sweat anyway, so he didn't want to
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: wear clothes. So point being like, I think it's fascinating
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: to be a woman in the band and not put
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: so much emphasis on the female aspect of it. Right,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I'm a musician. Yes, I happen to be a female,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: but I'm not female first, I don't think.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right for sure. That's why they call you Jeff
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: the girl.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, really, that's why.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: You know it is. I've always found it interesting that,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: you know, for as much as everyone else in the
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: band has been, you know, very upfront and center, you know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: they all have like they're part of you know, performing
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and everything like that. When you watch my eyes always
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: dart around the stage because everyone's got their own thing
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: going on. But when it comes to five Iron, you've
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: kind of been the face of it to an extent.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like you're the one that probably
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: does the most amount of interviews, You're the one that
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: does a lot of the social media. You're the that
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: is is oftentimes kind of like the spokesperson for the band.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Is there a reason for that or is it?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So, our band when we started, we had a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: u a decision that we were going to be a democracy,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and that usually works. We all have a job in
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: our band, so like from day one, well, sometimes the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: jobs change, but I would say through the years they
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: have changed. But from day one, most of my job
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: has been fan interactions. So in the beginning, we had
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a po box and in the beginning it was just
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a little bit of letters because it's before computers and
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: cell phones. Yes, before cell phones. This is before computers
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and cell phones, right, So we had a po box
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and I would get the mail and I would write
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: letters to the fans. That was my whole job in
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the band. Like I would get we'd go on tour
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: for three months and I'd get one of those they
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: kind of look like translucent tubs at the post office.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the mail.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd get like a big one full and
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: take them on the road and answer letters. So that
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: was kind of like and I'm an extra I am,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and I understand like some of the guys, like we're
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: playing a show. It's a lot emotionally, a lot physically,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and then for them to be introverts, they're giving it
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: all on stage. So like Dennis, for instance, he is
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: very very awesome to have a conversation with, but he
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: only has so much juice, and so I get it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Not everybody's gonna be talking before the show, after the show,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you know all of that. But I can do it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I don't mind doing it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you do. You have the best handwriting. Is
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that why part of the reason why you Yeah, have you.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Seen my handwriting?
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: No, give us a sample?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean I do. Wait, actually I probably have
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: your handwriting on my fridg writ I do have your
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Christmas card on my fridge right now.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty crappy handwriting. But I will say, like I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: like to write with sharpie, and I like to write
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: really thick with Sharpie, like Sharpie's.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your vibe.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: That's because you don't have to fill up a page
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: as much.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: That's true. The other part, so coming back, coming back
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: after we were broken up for nine years and we
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: started creating our jobs again. Now we have podcasts, Now
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: we have social media. Well the bummer about social media
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: is I don't mind interacting. I love it, but I'm
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: not good at tech. So I've done a podcast, but
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I'm always like calling Brad is amazing at tech. Andy's
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: great at tech. I could be like, oh yeah, Brad
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and Andy Micah scat. A lot of them work in
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: tech fields, and here I am like, why do I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: have to be the person that's like supposed to post
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: this stuff? And I'm like, how do you tag? How
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: do you this? How do you that? How do you panic? Panic?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And my husband constantly is like you should take computer classes,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you should be quiet. I just want
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: to do the interviews. I don't want to have to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: know how to do stuff.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, you nail this so far. I mean you
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: put those headphones on, you jumped on the link. That's better.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: The amount of bands that do not know how to
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: do any of that is mind boggling.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Well, and what's that is? In my closet? I have
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a really rad microphone like you guys have, like the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: rad one. Do I get it out?
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: No?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Do I try with it? No? And you know why.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And I've had Mica come once you're starting messing with
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the like reverb and tone and gain, and I'll just
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: jack it all up and then I sound really bad.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: It's terrible.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It's terrible, like put tape over it or something.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I want someone to come do it again and help
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: me set up, because I do, honestly, and I do
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I do like doing podcasts because I can think fast
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: on my feet, but I definitely get myself in trouble.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And you kind of have to wonder is everybody going
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: back and editing all the crap they say because I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: want to, And some of the podcasters, like the hosts
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: won't let me. They're like, not, you said it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we've done that to you actually edited.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Or said no, probably said no, yeah, yeah, yeah, probably
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I probably talk crap about somebody.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not because your mess like saying something up.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: It's just like you yeah, you start talking shit or whatever.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Your yeah, oh boy, I probably shouldn't said that. It's like, yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: too late.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I do, I do. I do want to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: also talk about like the legacy of five Iron. Okay,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: so there's one thing we haven't mentioned that is the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: elephant in the room, and that is the social justice piece.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you kind of were.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Talking about that, like like Colin was kind of asking
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: about that, and it's it's it's the concept of do
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: we all care about the greater world? And why? And
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I think if if our why is because Jesus cared,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you know, if our why is because Jesus cared there's
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: an understanding and emphasis on the Christian band piece, the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: band piece being for whatever reason, miracle or not. That
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: is the tool that we have found that gets the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: most likes. You know, like back in the day, we
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: didn't have likes. But the idea of being like I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: call it our Capital V voice, you know, like, like
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: your voice is what you put out into the world
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and that's your legacy, right And me myself, I can
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: get a baby voice. But if you had Reese and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you had Micah, and you had Dennis, and you add
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: all the guys in the band and all the horns,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and you had the crowd, and you had the fans,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and you had the promoters, that voice is amplified. Even
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: these podcasts, you guys amplified the voice. And so I
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: think that this has been I mean, this is the tool.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: But I don't just like the word tool. I'm trying
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to think it's more than a tool. What would you say,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: what would you say it is like if your podcast,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: if you thought of that using your capital V voice,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: it's more than a tool. What would you call it?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: A sounding board or a or a I don't want
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: to use the word influence spot, but that's kind of
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: what it is too.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like a noun of almost
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: a noun, like what is something that's so super helpful?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's the end justified the means, right.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I like the music. I like doing punk rock, but
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I will be quite honest with you, if I didn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: like the message, I wouldn't do it. No way. It
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: is too much sacrifice, it's too much time, it's too
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: much angst. It's like being married to all these men
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and their wives and their kids, because we all have
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: our schedules and our birthdays and we share our lives.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, it's a life decision, right.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Well, like as you were saying before, like it is
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a ministry, Like there's a mission to this band, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: if you don't buy into that mission, which obviously a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: big part of that is the sort of social justice message,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: if you don't buy into that, it's gonna be really
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: difficult to have to figure out coordinating schedules, spending all
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the time to travel around the world, in the country,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and spending the time like it's just hard to justify
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: all of that if you don't actually believe in that mission.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: It also comes down to, like what's the purpose, right,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're just if you're just making music
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: to have a good time and to make other people
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: have a good time, that's that's fine.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: That's fine, and that's awesome it is.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: But leave that to the to the to the up
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: and coming bands, right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I was in a bandon so after five Iron
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: broke up, I was in a band called the Hearts
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: of Palm with my husband. It started out as Nathan
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and Stephen. It was my husband and a guy named Nathan,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: my husband Stephen, and they would just write songs and
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: then they added my husband's two brothers, my sister in law,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the two godfathers of my kids. Like it was it
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: was basically a church band, and but we didn't play churches.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: We only played like dive bars. We played a lot
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: of dive bars. And we were a very fun, fun,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: happy band. And again it was just party. It was
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: just fun. It was a good time. We would be
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: like the the openers of a lot of local shows
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and have the horns and this vibe kind of thing,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and that was fun. It was great to do. But
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: there wasn't like the lyrics weren't like do we agree
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it's like this is just a song about kicking back
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: or this is you know, they're just they were you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: they were light, but it was it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Was cool, a completely different thing, right do you do
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you find more edification from one over the other.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, five Iron I find edification because if it weren't
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: for five Iron, I would have would not have found
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: my career. I wouldn't not have excuse you, I'm on
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: a thing, because I wouldn't have found, you know, my people.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know my people because I come from
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I hate to say this, but like I feel like
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I've I feel like I've taken a path that I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: didn't know existed because I grew up in the countryside
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: and you know, I have cool cousins and cool family
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and everything. But it wasn't going to be punk. You know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: it wasn't going to be punk. It wasn't going to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: be rock. It wasn't going to be you know, traveling
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the world. Certainly you want to hear something embarrassing. I did.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, so.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I graduated side you.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Oh that's not embarrassing, that's rad. Yeah. I have the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: blue still, Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: That is true. Yeah, you do have it died?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So my ten year high school reunion was two
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: thousand and five because I graduated in ninety five. And
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: so they out on the computer, the computer, the internet.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: They sent out a little questionnaire, what is something you've
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: done that you're proud of? What have you been doing
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: all these years? Tell us a bit about your life,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. What are you most proud of? Blah blah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So I, you know, emailed my answers. You know, I've
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: traveled the world, I've been in this band. I've been
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: able to study sociology in Spanish. These are some concerts
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: we played. Getting to be in Billboard, right, like all
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: these cool things, right, just maybe maybe a paragraph for
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: two for each question. Get there. Everybody had written a
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: sentence or two and they had made a book. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the minute I get there, everyone's like, oh, leonor like oh,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: your life is so different and interesting and you know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and answers. And I love the kids I went to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: school with. But it's like we bought the farm, or
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: my most proud thing I married, you know, Joe and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: we have three kids. Cool, that's cool. I'm not saying
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: that's not cool. I just feel like my trajectory was
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: like off the charts in my own head too, like
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: like I don't want to be like Moana, but sometimes
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I hear that song about like how far I can go,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I just went from Denver. I went
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: an hour away, But that's not the point. It wasn't
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: just going an hour away. It was going into a
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: whole new.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Community, right yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Like you kids, like why are we friends? In the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: normal world, we would my other path, we wouldn't have
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: had much in common.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And I literally was talking with my therapists about this
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: recently too, where like you know, Colin and I grew
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: up in the middle of nowhere in South Dakota, a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: small town in South Dakota, and now we get to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: talk to people who we literally grew up like listening
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to who we like, read their books we cared about,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and like with where we grew up in South Dakota, nobody,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: like there's very few people in that we grew up
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: with that would be able to say, yeah, like I'm
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: friends with one of my favorite bands or what like that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Just nobody like we have been able to move in
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: a direction in our life that has been able to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: transit and anything we could have imagined when we both
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: were like sixteen years old.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's awesome because it makes
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: your world way more interesting and it's it's fun too
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: to go back and also be friends of the world
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that you knew and know because those are your people too,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and it's it's like a they get me, yeah, uncomfortable,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Like I'm sure some of you guys, you know you
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: like to fish or homeboy over here wearing his like
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: crocs and his little like what do you wear your
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: little farmer's outfit and take out the hate all the animals? Yeah,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I know you do. That's like me, I get into
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: my vibe and I start talking all weird, like I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: don't know, there's all these weird Mexican slang things like
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: instead of like can you peel this orange, we'd be
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like open this orange? Well this says open this orange.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: We say open Like. There are certain things that I
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: just catch myself saying and I'm like, I just get
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: back into it, you know.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Isn't that fun though?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's fun because it's I don't know. Sometimes
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I sometimes you always watch those movies where it's like
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the path that you didn't take, like what you would
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: look like and what you would be like, yeah, no, thanks,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: no thanks, I like this one. I'm just gonna be honest.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I like this one.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And I like that you like that one too. To
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: go back to the social justice part of who five
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Iron Frenzy is, I've always been like curious about this,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: is you know, with the fact that you guys were
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: so explicitly Christian and obviously explicitly had this sort of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: social justice message, was there any time in your guys'
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: career where that seemed to be at odds? Like you
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: sort of like a lot of times in the sort
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of Christian world, like you either have to pick being
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: like a social justice person or you or if you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: like in the social justice world, you got to like
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: not be a Christian or something, right, Like, there's sometimes
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: where it just feels like those two things have to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: be uh separated. Like did you ever like have a
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: sense of like especially maybe as you like maybe toured
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Christian festivals or whatever, Like, did you have a sense
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that you had to sort of compromise or or not
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: even maybe that you even did, but like did you
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: ever get pressure, hey, can you tone down this message?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Or did you ever get that sort of sense that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: this social justice thing couldn't be in relationship with the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Christian message that you also were, you know, cared about.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, the most it's ever happened is this past year.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Oh that's happening this past year, because I mean, it's
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: so weird to think, like there's two big political party
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: lines and there's this concept that you have to be
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: one to be a Christian, you know, like really, I
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: don't remember that being around. Jesus was around in the
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: past two thousand years. So I think this last year
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: people were surprised to find that we don't all there's
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: eight of us, number one, that we don't all fall
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: along the lines of what they think Christians should fall
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: in line with right And I never did in the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: first place, because I'm just not I wasn't raised that way,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you know. But this year there's this crazy thing. Someone
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: used our logo from nineteen ninety five and it says
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: five arm excuse you what it says? Five arm Frenzy
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: fighting Christian nationalism since nineteen ninety five.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And then I did see that that was that was sick.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: It was a great design.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And then some people were making all these comments and
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: they're basically saying they were fighting it before we knew
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: what it was. I think it's crazy how so many
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: people are angry saying like you need to say this,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and you can't say this otherwise you're super angry and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: you don't understand. And it's like, I love how our
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: fans we don't say anything. We try not to get
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: into it, and we don't have to. It's kind of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: like the songs speak for themselves. Yeah, like if you
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: need to, yeah, I don't need to say guess who
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: we were. It's like, not worried about that. But also,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: if it's not your cup of tea, it's not your
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: cup of tea. No one's forcing you to listen to this.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: No one's forcing you to listen to this message and
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: agree with it. If it's not your cup of tea,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it's not your cup of tea. I don't know why
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: people go online and fight and fight, but personally, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: see more benefit from hearing the dialogue rather than blocking people.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Some people block people and that's their prerogative and that's
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: how they like to deal with it. But on my
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: personal page, as much as I don't like it, sometimes
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I keep it only because I think that the dialogue
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: is more important to be like, oh, not everybody is
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: like me, and even for me to remember.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like it almost like helps you get
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: like a litmus test to understand kind of where the
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: world's at to at least the Christian world.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: No, because my world is so tiny. It really is
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: like I've got five iron I've got punk people, I've
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: got Chicano people. But I'll be honest, I don't live
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: in a very diverse community. Denver, where I live is
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: not severely diverse. I don't go to a very diverse church.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I mean no, my worldview is pretty damn small. And
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I know that because I look at the algorithm of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the crap they're showing me, and it's the same all
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the time. They've got me peg just very boring.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So well that and then and then you see like
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the way that people vote, especially in like federal elections,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, uh, that's that's like there are
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: other people like that that exist that I would have
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: never guessed actually exists. But and I do think, like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I think in a lot of ways, like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: my my world is probably pretty siloed in that way too.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But the fact that I grew up in uh you
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: know a place like South Dakota, like I know, like
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I know the people you know, like you know Christinome
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: recently got fired, like like Colin and I grew up
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: with Christina, like we know Christino, Yeah, like that was
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: his bible.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: She was literally my Sunday school teacher.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So like so like when when people yeah, so when
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: people think that, oh, like you are living in an
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: echo chamber, like that might be true, but I can
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: assure you I haven't always lived in that, like I know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: what how other people because I used to be one
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: of those, Like I used to used to think in
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that way too, So I very much feel like I'm
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: not one of those people that has always existed in
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: some sort of echo Chaine.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: To take that a step further, kind of like how
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: you're talking about how like the light comes through the cracks.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: It also allows Mason and I, for example, to kind
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: of also still love those people, even though we don't
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: agree with them on virtually anything. That doesn't mean that
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: their humanity is completely stripped or anything like that. Absolutely,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: it's almost a superpower to a certain extent.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And it's like I said, it's not for everybody. Some
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: people they need to block and sometimes have stronger boundaries,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and that's okay too, because mental health is very important.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And there's been seasons where you want to protect yourself
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: and that's okay too. Like if someone is abusing you
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: or not not respectful of you and your own humanity,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: it's not working out. It's not worth it. It's not
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: worth it. But at the same time, for those seasons
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: where you can handle it, why not engage if you
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: can handle it, you know, if you're in a place
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: where all right, I feel like I can keep these
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: people in my life and they're learning from me and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I'm learning from them, and it's so funny. So one
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: thing that I do is I have some people from
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: back in the day that are my friends, and sometimes
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I'll say something spar you know, spar with five arm
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: fans on my page, and I'll message them and I'll say,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: your friendship to me is so important, and you know
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: why I stay friends with you. You are a testimony
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: and a testament to who I have been, and I
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: need that because I've had people die in my life
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and so to me, a person is a living testament
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: of who you are. And you can check in and
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: be like, especially like me, because I've done so much
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: crazy crap. I can be like did I really do this?
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Did this really happen? Did we really do this? Like
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: was that? And they're like, yeah, So I had a
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: guy recently tell me. He's like, yeah, your friendship means
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: way more to me than all this stuff. He's like,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I've been disrespectful on your page, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I was like, that's between you and who
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you're talking to. I don't maybe like it. I don't
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: like name calling. I do not like name calling on
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: my page. But I also I'm like, well, I just
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: want you to know that I value you. I'm not
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: going to block you. You've mattered to me so long,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and you still matter to me, even though we don't
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: always see eye to eye on some things. My gosh,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: we've done crazy things and you knew me when I
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: had dreadlocks, and there's not very many people that do well.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And I will say Colin can speak for himself, but
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you know, Colin is like one of those people in
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: my life where he has seen me change so much
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that you know, even in the midst of like, you know,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Colin and I disagree on lots of different things. And
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: yet because I think Colin has seen me change and
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: grow as a human. Uh, there's a level of like
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: respect that he has for me that even in the
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: midst of those like differences that we have with one another,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: he's still able to look at me and be like,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you know what, this is the person that I've always
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: loved and oh yeah, and so and obviously that likewise
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: for Colin and so yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And our bands like that. I mean, like I said,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: we have eight people in our band. When we first started,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: one of the most fascinating things because I didn't know theology,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: like you know, and I still don't know a lot,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: but I know more. But back then, it was like, okay,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: so you're you were raised Assemblies of God, you were
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: raised a Church of Christ. You went to Pentecostal wah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that's me and Micah and you you went to Presbyterian.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: You know, like there's all these different denominations and beliefs
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and talking Calvinism, talking, predestination talking, you know, tongues talking
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: all this stuff and being like we are not all
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: on the same page, but that is okay. And now
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: so many years later, we've ebden flowed to where we
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: probably don't always land where we did in ninety five, right.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Sure, exactly, And yeah, and we still write songs together
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: and have to agree though we have to align on
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: those lyrics, still.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Eight of us.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: So how does how does that process work for five
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: iron so lyrics?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the songwriting process like.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Like you just not necessarily just like the Shank songwriting process,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: but like the democratic process of looking at the lyrics
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: and being all right, we're all on board with this.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: What happens if if there's if there needs to be
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: a change, what happens if there needs if if someone
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: is just like, hey, my convictions don't lie here.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we've had those conversations. I know we've.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Reese writes a lot of the lyrics and then we
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: look at them and talk to him about it. I
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: don't know personally about any big lack of alignment that
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: has come in the last couple of years. So I
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: guess we all agree with it, you know, we must
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: all agree with but we can we can say, you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: in Reese's loving and we can say, you know, what
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: about this or what about that? But he doesn't he
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't need that from us. I think, like his gift
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: is his gift, and it is gonna ruffle feathers. But
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: in a way, I'd rather go too far in some
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: ways because that's his conviction and that is his tool.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: And so I can listen to a song and be like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I mostly agree, but I also have questions about this
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: right that I can be okay with some of that
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: in our songs too.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's been such a powerful thing
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: within Five Iron throughout the years. I mean, it's it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: the one thing that's remained consistent for sure, is that
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: the mind is spoken, and it's it's more than just
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: the mind.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It's like it's the heart, the hard guy, the heart,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the heart is spoken.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's all out there, and uh, it is
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: kind of the true and true punk attitude of like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: hey take it or leave it, but this is this
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: is the reality of how I view the world or
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: how I view myself. And I think that is maybe
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: like the if we're talking about legacy here, I think
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: that's the mainstaying power of the band.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: You think the lyrics are the most powerful thing about
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the band, are the most staying power thing.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I personally think so, And that's coming from a guy
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: who's not necessarily always I know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I know that about you. That's why I was surprised.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say it's the thing that for when
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I think of five Iron, it's the thing that is
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the thing that sticks with me right like again, Like literally,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the very first song on your very first album is
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: about the genocide of indigenous people in America, right like.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: That has always been a consistent theme throughout Five Iron's history.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: So like, when I think of the thing that I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: will always remember five Iron four, it's that. But as
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you said at the beginning, maybe the gateway that was
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: able to transcend you out of just the Christian scos
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: scene was the music was just good. It was just
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: simply good music. And so as much as clearly the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: music like you all have like transcended just the sort
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of Christian stereotypes of alternative music, you were able to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: just have good music. But the thing that I think
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of us will remember five Iron four is
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: not just simply the instrumentation the music. It's going to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: be the actual lyrics.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have my favorite thing about five Iron, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I've been going to a lot of shows. I go
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: to a lot of shows, like local shows, big shows,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: little shows, all kinds of shows. And I see a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: lot of new books, little shows. I can go to shows,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: get me on the guest list, everyone knows, okay. Yeah,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So I go to a lot of shows, and when
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I'm watching bands, you know what I think is a
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: big thing about five irond that a lot of bands
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: don't have the hook.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Man, you can walk away from a five Iron show
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: and being like my or like have you seen my con?
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Or like something like the it's not just like I mean,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: there's hooks. It's like pop. I mean, it is ska
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and punk, but the hooks. Like, I watch a lot
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: of bands and I'm like, I loved that band. They
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: were great, but I don't remember what a single song
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: was about. I don't remember a melody, I don't remember
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: a theme. And sometimes I'll even tell some bands like
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to sound like a bitch, but I
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: probably do. I'm like, man, you guys are great, You're
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: so rad, But I just wish there was like one
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: or two songs with like a punchy hook that I
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: would walk away and be like, damn, remember that song
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: you were talking about something? You know, even if it's dumb,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: you remember it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I think Five Iron also has this thing too, where
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: like as soon as you see five Iron live, you
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: get like this whole other aspect.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Right because we're dorks and we're not cool dorks. Yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: and it's true. There's so many bands. No, No, it's okay,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: it's okay. You go to Furnace Mess and you're like,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: ooh oh, look at all these beautiful people wearing all
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: black and they're awesome and they have their vibe, and
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: then it's like, what the hell, how did you pick
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: these eight randos and put instruments in their hands? And
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: what is even gonna happen? It's like not cool, but
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: it's okay. It is cool because it's not. It's the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: antithesis the cool as punk, right, it's funny. It is
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: just like, well, what.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say is that it requires you to move.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I dare anybody to go to a five
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Iron show and and try to stand still. You literally
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: will not be able to do it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: That's cool, yes, And I think that's like and maybe
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: this is like more of like legacy of SKA. There's
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: something really cool about SKA where uh, maybe not ever,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it's certainly not every third Wave SKA band is like this,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: but because SCA does kind of have this like political
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: nature to it, or at least the origins have that,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and obviously five Iron certainly does too. But SCA is
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like such a fun sounding genre, like it's just it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: such a it feels like the platypus of music genres,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: where it's just so silly ridiculous.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I want to say something real quick.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: It's such a ridiculous thing.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Please do do you recognize this lyric? Platypus are Few? No,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: don't dude. Freaking Red Hot Chili Peppers just came out
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: with a song like maybe last year and one of
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the lyrics is Platypus are Few? The how did all
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: these people like it? Whatever label they're on and mister
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: famous and put it on the radio? Oh I like
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that lyric?
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Please, they can do whatever they want.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: That's we though, that's weird.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I don't even think that cracks like the top five
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: weirdest things that Red Hot chi Peppers have said.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yes it is, We're done.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Have you heard like the Figgure Sex
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Magic record that are a few? That's true.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: All that's to say, though, there's something so sort of
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: there's like a duality of Scott where it's like you
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: have uh some Skot bands not again, not everyone, but
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: like bands like five Iron that have this very important
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: serious message and it's over it like it's it's layered
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: with this the fun like like it's a fun sounding
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: like music. It's just like it's like it's like Nickelodeon
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: theme song music. It's incredible.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: When when I was younger, I taught my mom to
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: uh tell the difference between Metallica punk and Scott and
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: so like. Then after five Iron broke up for a
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: long time, it'd be obviously a TJ Max commercial or
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: something like ah, and all of a sudden, like every
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: commercial was using Scot Do you remember that that was
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: so weird.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I feel like there was a six Flags commercial probably
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: SKA in it that just is like burned into my memory,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: but I have no idea what commercial it is or
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: how it's.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Very weird it was. It was definitely like, you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: the flavor of the month for happy and Light, And
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I do think there is something to be said for
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the juxposition of like a very intense, crazy fun song
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: talking about Reese's parents, not being together anymore. It's like
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: it's heavy, but it's also like the perfect means to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: get that kind of thing across because the music isn't
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: already scaring you to death.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So well, let's hear about what Five Iron's up to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: these days. You know, I know you guys are going
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to be playing some shows here soon. You know, maybe
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: maybe there's new music on the horizon that you want
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to talk about. Whatever it is do you want to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: talk about, but yeah, let's hear what's going on in
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the life of five Iron Frenzy.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So one of the cool things that is happened
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: this year kind of caught us by surprise. We were
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: playing a lot of headlining shows where we were doing
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the old school set the last couple of years, so,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of bands were doing their full albums,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: but we're jerks, and there were some songs we refused
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: to play. They're just that bad. They're that bad they
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: should not be played. So instead we did the whole
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: first three albums and that was our way around, you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: faking life and some of that stuff. So anyway, but
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: that was really fun. But now I don't know what's
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: up are over easy as our booking team and we've
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: been getting these rad festivals.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know, I was hopeful to play
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: with some awesome bands. Like not to say that the
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: bands we were playing with before were awesome, but I'm
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: talking about the stuff that I fangirl about, like the
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: stuff that got me into Scott. So just this last month,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: we played with Pie Tasters and they opened for us. Wow,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: that's weird, first of all, but second of all, what
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: was so cool. So I'm the tour manager of our
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: band and it's good and bad because I get to
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: be I don't want to use the word bossy, but
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I get to be overly organized in somewhat of a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: control freak in a good way because I like to know.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Not that I'm making big decisions, but I like to know.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: So I get to know and then I get to,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: you know, share all the info. But Steve, the singer
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: of the Pie Tasters, he does basically he oversees all
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the logistics for their band, and I'm like messaging this
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: guy and I'm like, I'm talking to the singer of
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the Pietasters, first of all. Second of all, we get
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: to the shows and they watch our whole set and
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: they liked it, and they talk to us and they
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: invited us out to their sprinter And if you know me,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: I like a shot at tequila before or after the show,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: probably one of each. And we did not have a
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: writer with alcohol, and they bought me tequila and add lime.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And if you know me, I am high maintenance. And
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: that was like my love language right there. As soon
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: as I got off stage on me, Oh come on,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: he's still my heart.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: So that goes out what's your what's your favorite kind
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: of tequila or like like what's your favorite brands?
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Is really good out there? I really like that. I
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: mean usually I like some patron but I'm not super
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: picky like I I I prefer a silver honestly, not
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: super picky. I just like the camaraderie of hanging out
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: and I don't like to spend a lot of money.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: So that's all'll put it out there. But if I'm
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: doing it, I would like to have salt and the
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: line if we're gonna go that way, you know. But anyway,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: so that to be said. Now, some more upcoming shows
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: are Insane. We are playing one coming up with Aquabats.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we haven't played with them since the nineties
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: at an old bowling alley and then we're playing with
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that same show as in Denver May sixteenth, and headlining
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: is Dance Hall Crashers. That's insanezing. We haven't played the
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: dance all Crashers that I can think of ever and
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that is like, you know, like Scott Scott first tier, Yeah,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: royalty like bands that we would look up to. And
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: then later this year we get to play a festival
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: in Grand Rapids and Goldfingers playing that, and the Suicide
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Machines are playing that, The Boy Detective and Catch twenty two,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: and then we just announced this week where we because
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: that show sold out. So then the show before that
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: is going to be with us and Suicide Machines co
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: headlining and Mustard Plug and The Boy Detective. This is
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: isn't nice.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: This is a can't miss kind of thing.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And then lastly I want to say, I'm going to
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: see you guys in Minneapolis and those shows. Let me
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: let me talk about the two other shows that we
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: have coming up because I helped book those. So I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: booked the opening bands and I got really really lucky
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: because I got to get Space Monkey Mafia on them
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and something to do. Yes, and these are you know,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: SKA bands from your area, which is rad.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. I don't know how do you how
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: did you reach out to them in particular?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Just an email, you know, and I did some research.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: That was that was Mason. Mason helped me with that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Do you remember you were telling me about what I
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: got my connection.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: And I don't and I don't. And then for the
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: other shows that we're doing, we're doing not this weekend,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: but next weekend. We're going to Albuquerque, which I call
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Alba crazy. Dude. You guys should sometimes come to Albuquerque
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: with us. That town is legit weird.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I've been there a couple of times.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I love it it. Yeah, we should do some.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I went to all the breaking bad spots. I love it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: It is the place. And and yeah, I'm New Mexican
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Mexican by the way. Yeah, and New Mexican Mexican is Manita.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: It's different than at the Hano, right, And I consider
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the New Mexican Mexicans to be the hippies of Mexican Americans.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Oh that tracks, I can I can see that in
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: you a little bit, So can.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Can you explain that a little more? What is?
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But it's gonna sound very stereotypical. And if anybody
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: has anything bad to say, I don't care.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I think like the the Californian Mexicans, which
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of family. There tons of them,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: especially southern California. It's very inspired by Hollywood. So you're
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of fashion. Like my cousins that
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: come to the shows. And I love my cousins, My
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: first cousins. They will hit up a bar before they
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: come to the five Arms show. They will be wearing
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: high heels, they'll have their hair done, they'll have their
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: makeup done. They'll be drinking it up with some dudes.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And the minute I come in, they're like, that's our cousin,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the rock star. And all the men look at me
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like that's it. She's just wearing jeans and T shirts.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: You ladies are done up and they are going to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: a show. When they go, you know like La, you
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: know these are the chicks and they're my cousins. Right.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: And then when you get to like the Hannos Texas Mexicans. Right,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: you have the mother Mary, you have the.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Balls on the on the big old big old big
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: truck with the loud, loud music and flashy everything flashy,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: the big cowboy boots, you know, everything out there, right,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: and especially like Dallas, right.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: But then New Mexicans mellow very similar to Native Americans,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: like drying their own leaves at Babuena, using the old
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: all the old kuranyerra mysteries and prayers and all this,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, there's a fine line between like
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: superstition and Catholicism and Christianity all mixed. Oh yeah, you
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: know it gets it's very much down to the earth
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: and the old ways of doing things and very just
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: more family and not flashy.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Sure, that's interesting. I did not. I guess I've been
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: blissfully unaware of the maybe like the societal or the
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: socioeconomic differences maybe as well.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, no, but I don't know about Colorado. Colorado.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Mexican Americans are probably more political. I would think, like
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: as I think about them too, because I didn't mention
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: anything about them, but as I think, like there's a
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: lot of books and a lot of visual artists, like
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: taking Chicano stuf. It is steeped, steeped in academia as
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: far as like the Chicano movement here in Colorado, it's
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: pretty rad. It's very rad.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like there needs that needs to be more
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: like of a mainstream kind of thought, right.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I guess if you're a Mexican American it might be.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it would be, But like, I don't feel
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: like most most Americans maybe know the differences of some
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: of the culture and.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I might be bsing, this might all be crab this
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: is what I've seen, this is what I've seen. I
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: don't know, but I experiences. Oh, I forgot to mention something.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: And we are playing with the Ruffaloes in New Mexico
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: and Phoenix, and they are made up of a lot
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: of Mexican Americans in their band, a lot of Chicanos
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: and they are so fun. It's almost like.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Is going to be there.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's like ska meets big.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Band, you know, yeah yeah.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: And then lastly the Echoing Green Joey. I don't you guys,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: are you're not excited because you don't know this, but
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: because because it's before your time perhaps, But it was
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: one of the first Christian bands that was like techno
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: new wave. Okay, it was like along the joy Electric
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: kind of sounds a lot like New Order kind of stuff. Really,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: oh really, Oh dude, he was like way before his time.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Like it's just what he liked. And it's a lot
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: of comput I mean, the fast feeling kind of like it.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: But it was from the nineties. It is good. It's
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: just dance, dance and hooks.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Love it. Yeah, I do remember my question from earlier,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: and I'm just I want to get your take on it, Leonora.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: So I was showing my students. We were talking about
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: the zootsuit riots that happened in Los Angeles and San
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Francisco or San Francisco mainly back in the forties, and
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: so naturally I showed them Zootsuit Riots by the Cherry
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Cherry Pop and Daddies, I believe.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: I was talking about how there was like this big
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: swing revival and all that stuff and there, and it
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: was a popular thing, and the kids were like, this
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: was popular, and I was like, yeah, it was nineties. Yeah,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, and they were hung up on the
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: name to start with, naturally, because well.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: So was my mom.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: I bet when my mom.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Heard that we were opening up for that band, her
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: face I had to give her because that woman is
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: not sheltered, and I had to give her the whole. Well,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: would Jesus go and try to heal the healthy or
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: the sick? Same thing when we were playing with the
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: pie tasters, she just looks at me and I'm like, mom, stop.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. So of course, naturally
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I had to show my students the butthole surface. And
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: then after that because they also have a strange name,
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: and they they had a number one hit song for a.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Very Now you're gonna ask me about swing, but now
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: you're asking me about disgusting names.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: No, it's not about discussing names in particularly, but we
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: kind of went down this rabbit hole of how the
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: nineties was like this time where you could be a
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: weird band. I showed them Presidents of the United States
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: of America after that, and I showed them a couple
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: of different bands that ministry.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Ministry is a good and skinny puppy.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I was so skinny, so so like out of left field, right,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Like there's all these all these genres were just allowed
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: to exist and they all had their own like little ecosystems. Yeah,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: not so much today. What do you think it was right.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Okay, what do you think it was about.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: The nineties where like the most niche, strange genre could
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: have their moment in the sun.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: It's because we consumed this is my thought, and I
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: just say it was so much fact. Look at this.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: It's because it's because we used to consume music by
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: albums and now we consume by song. So if you had,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you know, a song like like, okay, so take Sailing
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: the Seas of Cheese by Primus, Right, you pick one
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: song and be like, that's a weird song. But unless
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: you hear their album, you wouldn't say that's a weird band.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: And then you hear Sailing the Season, jeez.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: I would say Primus is a pretty weird band.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: That's my point. My point is like today we're hearing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: a song from a band, We're not hearing an album. Sure, sure,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: so if you hear an album, you can slap the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: sticker on the band of weird. Instead of saying that's
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: a weird song, it's that's a weird band, right, Right,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: These days, we pick and choose our songs. I mean,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sad to say it, but I've got my phone
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: in my playlists, song song, song, song, I'm very rarely listening.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: To albums interesting.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: But when you're listening to albums and you're listening to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: the band again and again, different kinds of bands, I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: feel like that band becomes a character, that band becomes
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: a voice, that band becomes a color, that band becomes
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: the sunglasses you put on to the way you your
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: pedagogy of how you see the world. Now, we just
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: listen to songs, so the bands don't have as strong
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: of an influence.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: And so and therefore the genre or the scene yeah
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: you get don't have an influence either.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Right, you get a weird song, and then if you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: don't like that song, you don't listen again. It's not
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: like you listened to the whole band and be like, man,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I hate four of those songs, but I love like ten. Right,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't even get it another try. You wouldn't listen
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: to the rest of it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: That's true because as soon as they say Platypus are few,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: you're out. But then you would miss the song that
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: goes tell me Baby, what's just stor right now? That's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: a good gem by Red Hot Chili Peppers, and that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: video is red too.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Is that the best red hot chili pepper song in
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: your opinion?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: No, the cover of Higher Ground, Oh Stevie wondersong.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that, Dang, I wouldn't murder.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I guess that.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Well, Okay, she's a.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: She's a huge motown motown.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's true. We've had that conversation a lot.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: All right, Well along those lines, then what is a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: band or maybe a group of bands that on paper
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: you should like? Okay, but you just can't quite get into.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: So maybe the bands that you're like? All right, I've
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: tried my best in like based on all the other
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: bands that I really like.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: If it's bitchy, what if it's really bitchy?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Dude?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Even better?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Even better?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I can't get into the interrupters there.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: You go, Oh really that's a great one.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Actually, do you want me to tell you why?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Yea?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: What if I get canceled?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Who's going to cancel?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: It's too late?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: So here's why. Here's why. I think the songs are great,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and I think the performances are great. But they're beautifully clean,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: meaning like when you see them on a stage, they're
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: so good it's almost like this is practiced, and that's practiced,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: and this is practice, and this is what we're gonna do.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: And maybe they're, you know, just they have a show.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: They have a set and a show. And I guess
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: the juxaposition between how five Iron works, which is just chaos,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: like we haven't practiced our banter. People are gonna break things,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: people are gonna fall, people are gonna be offensive. Just
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I love the punk rock insanity that we have that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: whatever reason. The few times that I've seen the interrupters,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for something to go wrong and nothing does,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: and then I'm stressed. Then I'm stressed because it's perfect
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: and I don't like it. It's like I don't want
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: to say disneyfied, but there are bands that have that
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: polished vibe. And I can get a lot of hate
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: for this because, like I said, I love Amy's voice,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: I love the songs. I just want them to just
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: get wrong, mess up your hair, just get crazy, just
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: spit water, just fall, just something go wrong and still
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: keep rocking. That's all I really want. Like I don't know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm like that, and maybe I'm
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: stuck up for saying that, but that's something that drives
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: me nuts.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: You know what's interesting is we're actually gonna have the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: interrupters on next week. We'll let them know that you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: said that. No, I'm just kidding, we're not.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, another band that maybe I should like but I don't.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's hear it.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Hmm, well this is this is neither here nor there.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: But I grew I did grow up in the season
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: of like New Kids on the Block and all those
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: boy bands, and I don't like any of them. Like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I just my girlfriends. I remember go to slumber parties
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: and they'd be like ah, and I'd be like, oh,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: this sucks. I don't even I don't know what songs are.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Backstreet Boys, I don't know what songs are Justin Timberlay,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Justin Bieber, Justin Whoever. I don't know all those dudes.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know their songs. You could show me guys.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know all those guys with those hairstyles. I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: don't know if they're from I think they're from New York.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: There's Backstree Boys, there's Nukids on Block. There's other bands
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: maybe in that genre, and oh yeah, that's it. Who's who?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Who's in which band, what songs they sing?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know ninety eight degrees.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Nope, I don't know.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: I've heard of the names.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Now. But here's the problem. If you say to me Manuvo,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I'll know that you know, But no, I don't know
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: any of those nineties boy bands, all right, and a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: lot of my contemporaries, the girls I hang out.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: With, Yeah right, yeah, it was the jam at the time.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: All right, So let's do the inverse. All right, bands
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: on paper that you shouldn't like, but for whatever reason,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: you're just you love them. Hmm.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so here's a can of worms. Okay, he
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: to say it. I know he's canceled. He is canceled.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: He's canceled, canceled, canceled. But even if someone is canceled,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: can their music still point you to God? Oh? Because
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: it does.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: That's interesting. It's a conversation Mason and I have been having.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: What's skill? What skillet song do you like?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about skilet? I'm just kidding. Who is it?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Who is it?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Can I give you a couple of guesses?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Well, give us some hints?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Okay? The album is blue. It mentions Chick fil A.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: It's got a choir in it. This might give it away. Hallelujah, hallelujah, Hallelojah, hallelojah, hallelujah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Kanye West, that God.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't listen to anything.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Gospel God album you can hear? Okay, have you ever
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: heard anything about this album?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I've heard it come out in like twenty nineteen or something.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: But here's the situation. He had a ranch in Wyoming
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: and he had men and women practicing celibacy sobriety. He
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: was like a tyrant to them because he wanted them
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: to sing for the Lord. So you know, I'm just
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: gonna say they're cultish, cultish, but the music is transcendental, dude,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: the songs and the I hate saying it, but I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: can worship to that album. I really can. There's a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: song called.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: God Is you know what? This might be the most
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: perfect band I should not like based off.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Of yeah, but just that album, just that album because
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: but it is worth it because it's again and I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: hate saying this, but when you think of like the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Pharisee going into church singing his Christian music and people
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: can worship to it, and then you think of Kanye West,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: and you think of people like to talk about, you know,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the sinner that can barely crawl into the temple. And
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: he's crying and he's saying, I suck, I suck, I suck.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: And you're listening to this song and there is a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: level of vulnerability and a level of I mean kind
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: of like what Reese has, like the like the like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: the heart on the hand. You know, it's I don't know,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I love it. I listened to it and I know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: like my kids are like, mom, he's canceled, and I'm like,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: I know this.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: And then one of the funny lyrics is he's talking
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: about like putting away the gram and I was like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Grandma cocaine, and my kids are like Instagram, Mom, you
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: know nothing. Like okay, okay, I know nothing.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: That's a great pick.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: All right. I would like you guys to give that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: album a run a run through, but listen to it
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: in its entirety, and listen to it when you have
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: a time to just really sit with the music and see,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: let me know what you think. I've played it for
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: people that are the most staunch I don't like secular music.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Christians like this one lady that's in her nineties and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: there's this Hallelujah part and Homegirl was like praising the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Lord to it.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will say there is something to be
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: said about like Kanye as much as like I'm not
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: as obviously educated in hip hop as I am in
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: other things. Kanye from just obviously I think he's kind
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: of really stained his career in a lot of ways,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: but like almost universally as regarded as one of the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: most creative hip hop artists of all time. You know,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: he's up there and.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: This album it's a statement whether I agree with him,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: it still has the ability to take me there emotionally,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: you know, and spiritually. I can. I can listen to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: it and very much. And then also like there's some
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: parts that remind me of like Wakanda. That's gonna sound weird,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: but like the Black Panther music. Like there's some like
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: deep hitting like drums and beats, just black music, dude,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: it's rad nice.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: I will have to I'll have to try.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: It, try it, see what you think.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I remember it being such a big deal, and it
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: was and.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because that's when he was doing his
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Sunday service. He was like married to Kim Kardashi and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: he was doing his Sunday service and he was running
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: for president.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Wow, and then it all changed so quickly.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of surprised that Mason and I, you
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: and I haven't at least checked out the album.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe I've heard like a.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: So I think the name of the album is Jesus's Lord.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I do remember that. I do.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: How can you not? I mean this, this thing is
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: the most blatant thing interface Yeah, right, what was the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: question again? Maybe I can think of one more something
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: I should like?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or yeah, an artist on paper that you shouldn't
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: maybe like, or that yeah, on paper you wouldn't like,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: and but for whatever reason, you're just really into.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I only got that one. I don't know
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: what's your answer.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Colin, Do you have a you have an answer for
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that one?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Like, like, what's what's the artist that I shouldn't like,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: shouldn't like?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: But you really?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I really love Lana del but I don't
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: like really any other like pop diva in any kind
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: of way at all.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: mean and I like, I always mentioned like bony Vera's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: sort of my example of that.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: I think another example in this it's a whole genre.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: But I was blooming into womanhood at the time of
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: MTV's Headbinger's Ball and so yes, sitting on a couch
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: with my crush watching many a Warrant, skid Row, Guns
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: N' Roses, Cinderella song and they're all about like chicks
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: with no clothes in every video. Oh yeah, and it's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: very very was.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Your crush my dad or what?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Telling it to give me a call. It's been
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: a minute. I'm probably closer to your dad's age than
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: I am to you. And here's a problem. I turned
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: a fifty this year, right, right, So that's a problem.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: You could have dudes like from their twenties up to
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: like their seventies being like, hey, that's an option. No, no, no.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: I did a funeral today. I I officiated a funeral
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: and walking out of the funeral, the guy had tears
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: in his eyes and he's like, are you single?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Whoa getting hit on after officiating a funeral?
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a Mexican funeral.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: That guy, that guy is desperate.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Leonora puts the fun in five iron and she also.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Puts the fun in funeral, funeral and flirt. All right,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: So I was talking about the bands I shouldn't like
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: because they were so I mean, she's my cherry pie.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, that crap, right, But I mean there's
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: a soft spot in my heart for all those bands
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: because it was, you know, rocking, and I liked. I
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: liked the genre, and I liked the vibe and the hooks.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: The hooks.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: They they are incredible at.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: That that that eighties glam rock. And then they would
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: they would really make you cry. So you'll laugh at
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: this too. I had the little red boombox, right, and
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: so you put in your your tape and you could record.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: You could have the radio playing, but then you can
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: record your voice over it. So I had when the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: children cry, I think by I think it was white
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Snake or warrant, White Lion. I don't know anyway, Okay,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: when the children cry. And I was like in fifth grade,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: and I record myself for only a dollar a day.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: You two can help to pay for a meal. Freak.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I made my own like sobby like infomercial.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: You yes, you were like for pa.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I was doing my own thing. I'm like, what the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: hell am I doing? And then the best part, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: this is again not very PC, but who cares. My
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: younger brother, who is three years younger than me, found
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: some of these. I would talk and be very emotional
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: and serious. And then when you're like a few years later,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: I was listening to it and it's all he breaks
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: in and he's like, I'm Lee and I'm gayer than ever,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: and he's like trying to pretend like he's.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Met classic Brother.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: You like, why would you do that?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Classic Brother? Classic? That's awesome? Yeah, all right, well, those
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: are those are great picks, Leonore. I I can totally
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: see why each one of those would would fit into
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: the category. So yeah, I like that.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Those are those might honestly be the best ones we've
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: ever had.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are those are really good ones. They are great.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: What do you want to plug, Leonora? Obviously shows are
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: coming up, plenty of shows in fact, Yeah, what do
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: you want to plug about what's going on in the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: life of fire?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to say, come to the five
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Ron shows because I still don't know, like it's weird,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: it's in. I hate to say this. This whole knock
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: on wood concept but sometimes it feels like is next
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: year going to be our last year? Is the next year?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Like we don't talk about it, But then you also wonder, like,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: you know, life is going on, things are very expensive.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Are we still going to have an audience? Can we
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: still make it happen? Health issues? Just life? And so
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say like I always feel like
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: it's our last show, but I will say I always
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a miracle when we do it, you know.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: And some of these other bands too, they're older than us, dude,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like they're old. I'm just saying
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of work to make it happen, right, Yeah,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: And you're not making you're you're breaking even. You might
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: make a little bit, but you're mostly like all that gear,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: all those people, all that stuff you're making. You're breaking
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: even for a very expensive hobby because these are your
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: best friends, right and you want to see them. And
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: and we've gone around in a circle as a band
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: and said why do you still do this? And the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: whole answer is always because I like hang out with you.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: That's that's wholesome.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: It isn't, isn't it? Isn't it so okay? So that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I want to plug, but I also want to plug
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: like a lot of these new bands like The Boy
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Detective jare cat by the bands on a lot of
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: the bands that are on can I think of the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: label right now? Joystick, I can't think of the label
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: right now, Swashbuckling Doctors, the Ruffalo. Look go to five
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Ironfrenzy dot com and if you see like bands that
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: we've played with in the past, and I'll try to
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: get a better list up there. All the opening bands
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: we've had in the past like three years have been
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: amazing and some of them are just smaller local bands,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: but they bring it. We don't just pick anybody like
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: these are good. That's the whole reason we have them
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: open is they're great and they're doing new stuff. So
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I would like to basically shout out to all the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: bands that have opened for us. And yeah, it's just
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: just crazy, like all the music that still happens, and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: it's even harder now, I think, mmmmm.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: And yet people are still doing it because they they
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: just love it and they believe in it, right mm hmmm.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Sweet Well, Leonor, you're the best. I can't
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: wait to hang out with you in about a month.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: So Colin and I are going to be in Minneapolis.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna jam out, We're gonna skank our
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: hearts out, uh to uh to you all, and and.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: We're gonna share tequila shots.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have some tequila shots by a single one either.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: That's right, you, You and I we are just going
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: to have such a hell of a time. So we're
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: excited to see you and uh, thank you so much
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: for chatting about the legacy of five Iron and uh yeah,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: we're so excited that you all are. After thirty one years,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: you're still around and you're still doing it and you
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: guys are just as badass as you've ever been.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you, black Sheet Podcast. See you guys next time.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: Banksyd brom My, Blessing, blessing more.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks