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- 0:05Hello and welcome to the Look Forward podcast, powered by the S&P Global
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- 0:14I'm Aries Poon.
- 0:15I'm leading the analysis team for Asia Pacific and Latin America in
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- 0:48Today, we are looking at India at a moment of significant global disruption.
- 0:53The ongoing Middle East conflict has triggered energy shocks,
- 0:57supply disruptions, and financial volatility, but also forced India
- 1:01to rethink how it manages risk, growth, and long-term strategy.
- 1:07To help unpack all of that, I'm joined by two colleagues today, Deepa Kumar
- 1:12from the Market Intelligence division and Gauri Jauhar from the Energy division.
- 1:17Deepa and Gauri, great to have you.
- 1:20To start, Deepa, how significant is the current shock for India, and how does
- 1:24it compare to previous external crises?
- 1:28Thanks for your question, Aries.
- 1:30And of course, the context of this question is very much there in the
- 1:34fourth edition of India Forward that we released in May, which is
- 1:37India Forward Strategic Imperatives.
- 1:39The, the whole edition, in fact, was around this question is,
- 1:42what kind of a stress test is the Middle East war for India?
- 1:45And it's actually a pretty rounded, it's a pretty holistic sort of shock for India.
- 1:50It's, it's the most, uh, so to speak, uh, important shock that we've noticed
- 1:55within India since Russia's invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty-two.
- 1:59There are multiple transmission channels for India that have come through.
- 2:02First is, of course, its dependence on the Middle East.
- 2:05The fact that it is dependent on a particular region where the war is
- 2:09happening for energy sources, more than fifty percent of energy sources.
- 2:13Gauri will di-dive into that much, I'm sure.
- 2:16Um, even investments, the Middle East has become a bigger trade and investment
- 2:20partner for India in recent years.
- 2:22And of course, even remittances, which forms an important part, almost three
- 2:25point five percent of Indian GDP, of which a very big concentration is from the Gulf.
- 2:30So there are these multiple layers at which the Middle East war is
- 2:33starting to show in for India.
- 2:35Some of the supply disruption also that we're seeing, right?
- 2:38Like it's not just oil and gas, but it's also fertilizers on which India
- 2:42is dependent from the Middle East.
- 2:44And then there is this, this kind of like wider question of what does the
- 2:49Middle East war also stress test in terms of India's geopolitical posture.
- 2:53So a lot of the countries that are claimants in this war, India is trying to
- 2:58be friends or trying to show that it has strategic partnerships with all of them.
- 3:02So in terms of the "balancing act" of Indian foreign policy that
- 3:05everyone looks at, which is, you know, the strategic autonomy question
- 3:08or the multi-alignment question, this is really a test even of that.
- 3:13How is it different from the previous crisis?
- 3:15And I'll stop here quickly, and Gauri, maybe you should weigh in as well,
- 3:18is it's a lot more multi-sectoral and it's, it's not just about supply,
- 3:25it's also about prices, it's also about the financial risk, it's
- 3:28also about the macroeconomic risk.
- 3:30If you look at the global financial crisis, little isolated.
- 3:34It was just about that.
- 3:35If you look at COVID, it was widely much more global.
- 3:38So it's not just about how countries are exposed themselves or not.
- 3:42And lastly, of course, India itself has become much more integrated
- 3:45into the global economy now than it was, say, even a few years ago.
- 3:49So the transmission channels are really showing, and that's what
- 3:52we're trying to track in the India Forward journal and moving forward.
- 3:56Gauri, quickly over to you.
- 3:58Why don't you-
- 3:59Uh, yeah, absolutely, Deepa.
- 4:01I think, uh, you know, what you talked about, uh, this being, uh, the
- 4:05transmission coming through many layers is so apt, uh, because when we look at,
- 4:10uh, this is truly an unprecedented crisis.
- 4:12Because if you go back in history, you know, fifty-three years back in
- 4:16nineteen seventy-three oil embargo, it was about eight percent of global
- 4:20oil supply that was disrupted.
- 4:22Uh, but when we look at the situation today, it is, uh, about sixteen percent
- 4:26of global oil supplies have been impacted, and the customers who are impacted are
- 4:30l- are more towards Asia, and of course India becomes very central in that.
- 4:35Um, and, uh, you know, the Middle Eastern hydrocarbon molecule, as
- 4:40we argue, uh, with, um, my other co-authors, uh, Pulkit Agarwal, Dr.
- 4:44Atul Arya, and Dr. Rajiv Lalla, and Pedan Patil, um, is that the Middle
- 4:50East, uh, hydrogen, uh, hydrocarbon mo-molecule is often the most
- 4:55economically efficient molecule because of shipping distances, which has been
- 4:59embedded into the Indian energy system.
- 5:02So what we see is that whether you look at oil, whether you look at LNG, um,
- 5:07there has been a significant dependence of about, you know, at least forty-five to
- 5:11fifty percent of India's oil imports, for instance, um, and a significantly greater
- 5:16amount of the, uh, LNG imports coming in of almost sixty, uh, odd percent.
- 5:21So, um, and a lot of these are based on, uh, long-term contracts, uh, and they
- 5:27also shoulder India's base oil demand.
- 5:31Um, so when you look at, you know, sectors like, uh, transport, sectors like where
- 5:36LPG is significant in the Indian economy, uh, for in terms of residential consumers,
- 5:42um, India still remains an oil economy, uh, despite all the progress that we
- 5:47have made, uh, um, you know, in our shift from fossil fuels in the power system.
- 5:52The transport system still, uh, uh, notwithstanding all the advances in,
- 5:58uh, EVs, um, still rests, especially when you look at, uh, long-haul
- 6:03trucking, diesel demand, it is all based, uh, really on, on oil.
- 6:08So I think that is where this, uh, crisis is very different.
- 6:11Uh, the search for alternatives is very real.
- 6:14Um, the search, uh, the, the, you know, the hawk-like look at, uh, what is
- 6:20happening on storage levels is a daily question now, um, because of this crisis.
- 6:24This has never happened before.
- 6:27And actually, despite the emerging stress, India has always been seen
- 6:31as a relatively resilient economy.
- 6:34So Deepa, what is holding up, and where are the cracks starting to show?
- 6:39And that's a good sort of segue point, right, Aries?
- 6:42Because especially, like, we had two shocks recently.
- 6:44One was COVID, and the second was Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
- 6:48India came through as the world's fastest growing major economy through all those
- 6:52periods, and that still continues.
- 6:54So it is still riding some tailwinds of how its growth is structured from some
- 6:59of these previous shocks and how-- from how economic policy has been tailored.
- 7:03And there are a couple of points there.
- 7:05One is, for better or for worse, the government is a huge driver of growth.
- 7:09So be it in terms of how the government is supporting with an economic stabilization
- 7:13fund right now, how the government has increased its sort of proportion of
- 7:17fuel and, uh, fertilizer subsidies, and also how the government is continuing to
- 7:21support infrastructure spending in India.
- 7:23So one is that is kind of continuing, and that is a buffer.
- 7:26And the second is we've seen that in the private sector, firms are being
- 7:30able to absorb the costs right now.
- 7:33We're not seeing… Of course, this is not to say that they may not pass through
- 7:36eventually, and that is the second half of the question that we're coming to, right?
- 7:39Which is what are the challenges.
- 7:40But those two things are still working out that, like, firms
- 7:43are able to absorb the costs.
- 7:44We've not yet seen them buckle because of it.
- 7:47And the second is the way India's economic model has been in the recent
- 7:50few years is, is the government has always been proactively involved
- 7:53in driving this growth story, and it's still very much present.
- 7:57In fact, they've stepped in quite proactively as soon as, as the crisis
- 8:00started Coming to the other side of where things are buckling, and this is where
- 8:05the fact that it's a global conflict or it's, it-- the fact that it, it has so
- 8:09many other transmission channels, right?
- 8:11You can't control everything from, like, simply having some
- 8:14of these domestic interventions.
- 8:16The biggest is, of course, the rupee.
- 8:18The rupee has fallen by more than 6% since the start of this, uh,
- 8:22since the start of this conflict.
- 8:24And as we highlighted in the paper, which is, of course, May, and we'll have to see
- 8:27how we update that going forward, we're expecting the rupee to, at best, go and
- 8:32settle somewhere at ninety-three versus the US dollar by twenty twenty-seven.
- 8:36So it's still moved from the baseline.
- 8:39So we are saying that there's almost no going back in terms of where
- 8:42the rupee was before the conflict.
- 8:45And that does show through in some of our other indicators in terms of inflation,
- 8:50which even because of low base effects of twenty twenty-five, is likely going
- 8:54towards a 5.1% number from a 2% number, which is a significant drag on prices.
- 9:00And there are these other factors of how India is expected to have a weak monsoon
- 9:04because of El Nino, and that then goes and has sort of an impact on the agricultural
- 9:09production, which is, is again, it's an important driver of the Indian economy.
- 9:13So these are some of the places where we're seeing growth feel some strain.
- 9:18It might show up again in how demand gets constrained because once
- 9:21supply side issues have started, demand constraint does start.
- 9:24And so this year, this fiscal that just got over, fiscal twenty twenty-five,
- 9:29India's growth has still been stable, 7.7%, and that's primarily
- 9:32a driver of the previous quarters.
- 9:34But the next year, which is fiscal year twenty twenty-six, we do think India's
- 9:38GDP growth falls sharply to 5.7%.
- 9:43And in fact, behind the resilience of growth is, uh, we're also seeing
- 9:47the policy responses, uh, evolving.
- 9:49So, uh, Deepa, how is India shifting from short-term stabilization
- 9:54to longer-term strategy?
- 9:57And this is something, Aries, you know, uh, I've been saying this since
- 10:00the start of, of… And, and Gauri must have heard me speak on this
- 10:03even in fr- with a few of the clients that we met in May in Delhi, right?
- 10:06Is, is we're talking about India looking at this as not just preparing
- 10:10for the current crisis, but also keeping an eye on the next crisis.
- 10:14Because that is just the nature of the way global conflict is evolving.
- 10:18That's the nature of the way global trade policy is evolving.
- 10:21That's the nature of the uncertainty that has come in with emerging technologies
- 10:25like AI, how you navigate those things, and what is the impact of that on the
- 10:29economy, energy, so on and so forth.
- 10:31So we're definitely seeing that India is now looking at it not just from just
- 10:35a short-term perspective, but also a medium-term and long-term perspective.
- 10:39Uh, one thing very briefly, and that is, of course, Gauri's domain, but that India
- 10:44does realize is its energy dependence is a big sort of headwind for it.
- 10:50And the energy dependence is not just about what you can or cannot produce
- 10:54domestically, but who your suppliers are.
- 10:57So to Gauri's point, right, like the fact that India has a major gas
- 11:01dependence, especially only on the Gulf.
- 11:02Over 90% of it comes from the Gulf.
- 11:05We're seeing that one of the long-term strategies that India is playing is
- 11:08really diversifying its contracts.
- 11:10So it's looking at some of these contracts coming from not just, you know, the
- 11:13Gulf anymore, but also regions like Australia, from the US itself, which is
- 11:17part of the India-US trade negotiations, and from other parts of the world.
- 11:21So those-- that kind of supplier diversification is
- 11:24exceedingly important for India.
- 11:26India is not alone in doing it, but one of the things that India is doing is ensuring
- 11:30that its supplier sort of, um, rota is very robust and does not necessarily
- 11:35look like what it's looking right.
- 11:36And there are a couple of other players where India is careful of this as well,
- 11:40China and the US both being involved.
- 11:42The other is the storage, is again, something technically speaking,
- 11:45Gauri would be much better and much more adept at speaking about that.
- 11:48But they now do think, and we say that in the third paper, which is Gauri's
- 11:52paper, that, like, you need a national storage policy, energy storage policy.
- 11:56We do see that there are expedited regulatory efforts for building up
- 12:00those storage capacity, for ensuring that there are strategic reserves
- 12:04engagements done, like Prime Minister Modi's visit to the UAE just last month.
- 12:08And we're also seeing the other parts of the infrastructure, like hastening
- 12:13up India's ports production, uh, ports infrastructure production,
- 12:16hastening up the shipbuilding yards.
- 12:18We are seeing regulatory changes that point to not something that
- 12:21India is hoping to scale and achieve in the next one year or two years.
- 12:25But if you stick with this policy through different political changes
- 12:28that are likely coming in the two to three years, it is about reorienting
- 12:32that medium to long-term strategy now
- 12:36So let's take a deeper look at, uh, the energy because, um,
- 12:39you know, it is clearly sitting at the center of the story.
- 12:43And, uh, let's turn to Gauri for a moment.
- 12:45So how has the shock in energy markets exposed structural
- 12:50vulnerabilities in India's system?
- 12:53Right.
- 12:53So the structural vulnerability, um, Aries, really stems from, uh,
- 12:58the dependence on the Middle East, uh, wherein, as I'd said before, uh,
- 13:03the Middle East, uh, molecule was embedded, is embedded and is the most
- 13:07economically efficient, uh, source of, uh, imported energy in India.
- 13:12Um, so again, going back to the numbers, you know, approximately s-sixty percent
- 13:15of crude oil and LNG imports and approximately eighty-five percent of LPG
- 13:19imports all come from, um, the Straits.
- 13:22So, um, and by twenty-thirty, something we've shared in the paper also is that,
- 13:27um, India will face an import dependency of ninety-four percent for crude oil and
- 13:33about sixty-five percent for natural gas.
- 13:35So the vulnerability, again, is linked to that overarching geographical
- 13:40dependence because of proximity, um, because of the routes, uh, shipping
- 13:44routes and, um, also long-term contracts.
- 13:47Um, I think where, uh, we see, uh, uh, the, the hope to out of this is
- 13:53that as, y-you know, India's economic might rises, even though, uh, as Deepa
- 13:59shared earlier, there would be, uh, because of the crisis, a moderation
- 14:02in the growth amo-- uh, growth as per we had, um, you know, shared, uh,
- 14:06earlier in terms of our GDP forecast.
- 14:09Uh, but the cost of supply disruption will also increase.
- 14:13So this will put, you know, a, a, a whole series of s-- It'll be like a domino
- 14:18effect that every sector within energy.
- 14:21Energy is a large value chain.
- 14:22If you go, um, you know, if you look at, uh, the upstream, the downstream,
- 14:26the midstream, and then you look at the whole power system as its own system.
- 14:30When you look at all these systems, there are changes that need to happen
- 14:33in each of these systems, uh, to, uh, cushion, um, any long-term, uh,
- 14:40near-term and long-term impacts.
- 14:42And, um, as Deepa had said earlier, uh, to, um, you know, make sure that
- 14:47we have a better baseline, uh, we are better prepared for the next crisis
- 14:51wherever and however it may happen.
- 14:53Uh, because as we're seeing, uh, the world is buffeted a lot more by, you
- 14:58know, what we call the black swans.
- 15:00We're just seeing them with too much frequency for different sets of triggers.
- 15:05So, Gauri, if diversification alone isn't enough, what does a more resilient energy
- 15:10strategy actually look like for India?
- 15:14Right.
- 15:14Um, so I think a more resilient energy strategy will have to start with looking
- 15:20at whatever is, uh, within the country's, if it's within our country's boundaries.
- 15:24Uh, that means what are all the resources that can be developed?
- 15:27Now, that means that, um, energy transition, uh, would need to move
- 15:32at the speed of energy security.
- 15:34It, it takes on the urgency of energy security.
- 15:38Um, what that means is that going into this crisis, we were already
- 15:42seeing Uh, a rapid pace of expansion in renewables, uh, from about, you
- 15:46know, uh, five gigawatts, uh, over a decade back to about 50 gigawatts we're
- 15:51expecting annually this year Uh, we do need to see that expansion, but that
- 15:57expansion being complemented by storage.
- 15:59So even if you're looking in renewables, you know, renewables is now, uh, having
- 16:04a new challenge, which is of AI, which is just gonna be a structural challenge.
- 16:08And with that structural challenge, uh, we will need more, uh, battery storage
- 16:13capacity, more pumped hydro, which is way more than the, uh, less than two
- 16:18gigawatt hours that we have currently.
- 16:19And that is where in the paper we argue for a comprehensive energy storage
- 16:23policy which goes across electrons and across molecules, uh, which sees, uh,
- 16:29literally, you know, by end use sector, what is the supply position, uh, what
- 16:35are the stocks available, and it'll be a stocks and flows exercise both.
- 16:39Um, so that'll have to be taken literally for aviation fuel, for LPG.
- 16:44Uh, so really a product level mindset has to come in from a more, you know,
- 16:48what is the crude storage capacity.
- 16:51Um, and, uh, I think one of, uh, the, uh, you know, what the crisis has also
- 16:56shown is that we need to relook at gas storage, um, as well more deeply, uh,
- 17:01beyond what is there in LNG storage tanks and beyond what is there in, uh, certain
- 17:06pilots which ha- uh, have been undertaken, um, uh, on a very selective basis.
- 17:12So, so I think it needs to have a much more coordinated view.
- 17:16Now, that said, I think one of the, uh, encouraging signs was that, um,
- 17:21there were transitions happening from LPG to natural gas within the crisis.
- 17:26So we saw three hundred and fifty new-- thousand new registrations
- 17:29of, um, uh, new gas connections which were waiting to be connected.
- 17:34Uh, but because of the LPG crisis, that was that final trigger which,
- 17:38which did make that happen, and they were, they were ready to be connected.
- 17:41Um, I think we will also see, um, more, um, push towards, um,
- 17:47things like coal gasification, um, uh, battery storage, uh, nuclear.
- 17:53We will also see carbon capture, uh, utilization storage
- 17:56systems being incentivized.
- 17:58Um, and I think going into this crisis, uh, the budget just a few weeks before
- 18:03the crisis unfolded, had already made significant, um, capital allocations
- 18:08towards it, uh, in the range of, uh, eight hundred to nine hundred percentage
- 18:12point increases from the prior year.
- 18:15So I think those are all great signs, uh, but a lot more holistic
- 18:19thinking and something which, uh, you know, my, uh, co-authors also
- 18:22mentioned, uh, uh, my co-author, Dr.
- 18:25Rajiv Lalla, he talked about how, um, you know, Indian NOCs, uh, have to
- 18:31probably move more from a faith in supplier strategy to more of a, um,
- 18:36more of a stake in supplier strategy.
- 18:38And, uh, my other co-author, Pulkit Aggarwal, also talked
- 18:41about, uh, how more flexibility in contracts has to be looked at.
- 18:46Um, and, uh, something, you know, I think Dr.
- 18:49Atul Arya always reminds us is that never waste a crisis because, uh, you know Um,
- 18:54the-- I think what is, um, what, what happens in a crisis, the dynamic of a
- 18:59crisis is that, um, there is a collapse.
- 19:01There's a, there, there's a push in the system to collapse and compress timelines.
- 19:05So short, medium term, long term doesn't mean anything if it's important
- 19:08for, uh, long-term energy security.
- 19:11So I think that is where we need to ride that wave of this crisis.
- 19:16Beyond energy, we are also seeing changes in industrial and trade policy.
- 19:21Deepa, so how is India balancing self-sufficiency with global integration?
- 19:27This is a very important question, Aries, and before I answer the
- 19:31how, I'd just like to ground it in a couple of facts, in a couple of
- 19:34sort of contextual points for India.
- 19:36Uh, the first thing is this industrial and trade policy pivot kind of
- 19:40did start before this conflict.
- 19:42It started, uh, well, for domestic reasons as well because the makeup of
- 19:47the Indian economy and the balance of agriculture, manufacturing, and services
- 19:51is such that, like, India is hoping that manufacturing and services in the coming
- 19:56decades picks up a lot more weight, shared weight than it is right now.
- 20:00That's the first thing.
- 20:02The second thing is to Gauri's point itself, right?
- 20:05Like trade policy itself has changed so much.
- 20:07Energy policy is also trade policy.
- 20:10Um, services policy is also industrial policy.
- 20:12There's, there's a kind of a holistic way of looking at these things which
- 20:17are also driving some of India's policy choices domestically, foreign
- 20:21policy platforms internationally.
- 20:23And the third is just the point of how does India reorient administratively
- 20:30within the country to be able to meet some of these goals.
- 20:33Everything that Gauri mentioned and everything that we've spoken about is a
- 20:39multi-ministerial, multi-geography kind of approach.
- 20:40So there's really a matrix that India is trying to or having to have to build here
- 20:44to be able to answer these questions.
- 20:47Now, coming to the how is India trying to do this is first is that India is looking
- 20:52at it at both sides of the same coin.
- 20:54Like self-sufficiency is one side of the coin and building those strategic
- 20:58sort of options and building its kind of like diversification strategy of
- 21:02is, is the other side of that coin.
- 21:04And given how much reticence India had for foreign trade agreements, say, a few
- 21:10years ago, even before in the, in the earlier terms of this very government,
- 21:14it's actually changed in this, uh, in this term in the last few years.
- 21:18So one of the most pronounced ways in which we are seeing India do something
- 21:22like this effective trade policy and industrial policy is through
- 21:26signing and is through negotiations of free trade agreements that India
- 21:29has started, concluded, or is in the progress stage with multiple
- 21:34economic blocks, trading blocks, and countries' economies of the world.
- 21:38We've seen them come through with the UK, we've seen them come through with EU, with
- 21:41Oman last year, and more are likely to come through in the next one to two years.
- 21:45So FTAs has kind of become a very important tool for India to be able
- 21:50to do this, but what is included in the FTAs now is not just at what
- 21:55duty is India importing a good or at what duty is India exporting a good.
- 21:59It now talks about environmental standards which feeds into the energy policy.
- 22:03With EU, it also looks at exemptions for things like CBAM, so that India
- 22:08is able to manufacture domestically and continue sort of building its, its
- 22:12industrial policy in a way that does not contradict energy policy elsewhere.
- 22:17It's also services-oriented because like I was saying, more than 38% of
- 22:23India's remittances come from the Gulf region, so they're trying to ensure
- 22:25that that also remains diversified.
- 22:27So that is one sort of element of FTAs and how India is trying to do that.
- 22:32The other, and we've seen it, it's kind of become the linchpin of industrial
- 22:36policies, production-linked incentive services, is where in the sectors in
- 22:40which India is basically, you know, something that like, uh, we, we studied
- 22:45it in a very like import substitution, export promotion kind of framework.
- 22:49It's a much more developed and enhanced version of that framework,
- 22:53where basically India is saying, "Come manufacture in India, we give you a set
- 22:57of subsidies." And they want to do them in sectors especially like smartphones,
- 23:01semiconductors, solar PV and auto.
- 23:05So these are to name a few.
- 23:06There are of course a lot more.
- 23:07But we're seeing that they are, they are building these in strategic sectors
- 23:11where India feels you really need that balance between having domestic options,
- 23:16having foreign options, but then also trying to become more of an exporter.
- 23:20So how do you move from self-sufficiency at one end of the spectrum to become
- 23:24deeply integrated in, in sort of the envi- the global environment a little
- 23:28more at the other end of the spectrum?
- 23:30So it's very likely that this policy path and this policy platform stays for
- 23:35India, at least while we are looking at political continuity, um, going forward.
- 23:40And the one last thing I'd say and which, you know, somewhere in my questions
- 23:44that, that I missed saying, but it's an important indicator, is the level
- 23:49of foreign investment in India and the challenge that, you know, either
- 23:53we're facing with FBIs and, and how FTAs are resolving for that as well.
- 23:58In fact, Gauri will remember from the India Forward Roundtable that, uh, we
- 24:02were at in May, one of the discussions that did came through was like how
- 24:06FTAs are also a channel for FDI.
- 24:08So now the FTAs now in fact have investment commitments in them.
- 24:12So we're likely to see more investment commitments also included in FTAs
- 24:16going forward, which may start addressing some of the challenges
- 24:19that we've spoken about so far, Aries.
- 24:23Great.
- 24:24And now we are coming to the final question for the episode,
- 24:27which, uh, is for Gauri.
- 24:28So if we take a step back, so to what extent India will be able to capitalize on
- 24:34this moment to transform itself further?
- 24:38Um, great question, uh, to end this, uh, lovely podcast with.
- 24:42Uh, so I think, uh, you know, this crisis, uh, really provides an opportunity as
- 24:48a catalyst, uh, to, to, you know, speed up the process, speed up whatever was
- 24:54left, uh, whatever was left on the reform agenda and needed sort of those
- 24:58connective tissue to make things happen.
- 25:01Uh, it also acts as a mirror in terms of, uh, which are the areas
- 25:05where, uh, a deeper push, uh, uh, a wider look ne-is needed.
- 25:10And in our paper, we do argue for five immediate areas of action
- 25:15which work across, uh, policy, operators, and regulation and works
- 25:21across the energy value chain.
- 25:23And they are, number one, supply security, so rapidly increasing supply of all secure
- 25:28domestic supply sources, and really not holding back, whether it's oil and gas
- 25:32production, biofuels, biogas, renewables, even geothermal, nuclear power.
- 25:37Um, I, you know, I will say that, uh, just recently last week, there
- 25:41was some excitement around Oil India, uh, having a sh- uh, some
- 25:45find of gas, uh, potential for gas discovery, um, in the Andaman Basin.
- 25:50So that is, uh, uh, you know, credit to, um, the Samudramantham program,
- 25:54which the government has launched, uh, to deepen India's exploration push.
- 25:59Um, diversity of supply, so securing access to oil and gas supplies, uh, less
- 26:04affected by supply routes and geopolitics.
- 26:06And Deepa had mentioned this earlier, how we've gone, you
- 26:09know, to Australia, Latin America.
- 26:11Argentina is also part of the oil, uh, supply mix today.
- 26:15Um, and internationalization of Indian NOCs to get that stake in supplier
- 26:20Uh, which my colleague Rajiv has, uh, has written about in the paper.
- 26:24Um, flexibility for resilience to improve flexibility of contracts, um, refining
- 26:29configurations, expanding shipping access, and enhancing the demand response, which
- 26:34Pulkit has talked about in the paper.
- 26:36And, um, deepening the upstream push, uh, really again, going back
- 26:40to taking more stake in international supplies, but also making sure every
- 26:44drop of hydrocarbon is explored, developed, and produced in India.
- 26:49And finally, is what I argue in the paper for is, um, you know, a comprehensive
- 26:53energy storage policy for reliability.
- 26:56Um, you know, uh, if you look at many sectors in the economy, uh, you know,
- 27:00we are looking at backup options, right?
- 27:02Whether you look at, um, you know, backup infrastructure, backup.
- 27:05So what is the backup?
- 27:07I think that backup question has to be a question of markets and policy
- 27:11through a comprehensive energy storage view, um, across electrons,
- 27:16across molecules, but, but grounded in an understanding of end use.
- 27:20Like what is the amount required for aviation?
- 27:22What is the amount required for power?
- 27:24What is the amount required for transport?
- 27:26Um, so it's a sort of the next level of, uh, reform and the next
- 27:31level of, uh, understanding on, on what will resilience really be.
- 27:37Thank you, uh, Gauri, and thank you, Deepa, for helping us frame what
- 27:41really matters as this plays out.
- 27:43And the key message today is the current shock is forcing India to
- 27:47rethink how it grows, how it secures energy, and how it positions itself
- 27:52in a more fragmented global economy.
- 27:54And in that sense, this may not be just about a test of resilience.
- 27:58It could be a catalyst for transformation.
- 28:02If you would like to dive deeper into our research and our blog post,
- 28:05visit spglobal.com and explore our Look Forward Council resources.
- 28:11You can also connect with Deepa and Gauri on LinkedIn.
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