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Speaker 1: Boone says it all the time, like, you know, we're
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Speaker 1: running out of descriptors and adjectives for him, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's true.
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Speaker 2: And here we go, Gary Phillips joining us right now
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Speaker 2: as we head into what is at the moment the
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Speaker 2: biggest series of the regular season for both the Mets
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Speaker 2: and the Yankees. Of course there's the rivalry side of things,
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Speaker 2: but Gary, the return of Juan Soto is a pretty
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Speaker 2: big deal here. So you can follow Gary at Gary H. Phillips,
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Speaker 2: beat writer for the New York Daily News. Gary, great
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Speaker 2: to have you on here. Tell us what to expect.
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Speaker 1: Hey, great to be here. Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 1: I would expect a lot of booze. I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: one had to quote recently that it was going to
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Speaker 1: be maybe fifty thousand versus one. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it's going to be exactly that. I'm sure Mets fans
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Speaker 1: will make their way into the Bronx and pack Yankee
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Speaker 1: Stadium a little bit, but there will definitely be some noise.
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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like last year Whereankee fans were
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Speaker 1: cheering back and forth with him, and you know, he
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Speaker 1: was going back at him and they were waving Dominican
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Speaker 1: flags all around the bleacher creatures.
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Speaker 2: I would not expect any of that.
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Speaker 1: This is not going to be friendly territory for him
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Speaker 1: tonight anymore.
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Speaker 4: Is there a possible scenario that he could have left
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Speaker 4: and not gotten booed? Because don't forget this man was
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Speaker 4: an MVP candidate. He took them to the World Series
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Speaker 4: that the Yankees haven't been to since two thousand and nine.
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Speaker 4: Is it because he signed with the Mets, or is
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Speaker 4: it because he signed with any other team than the Yankees.
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Speaker 3: He was gonna get booed no matter what.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a Mets element to it. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he comes back as you know,
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Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jay, is he getting booed as much as
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Speaker 1: he might tonight and over the next three days. I
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Speaker 1: don't know who's to say. You know, maybe if he
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Speaker 1: signs with the Dodgers, it's, you know, a very similar
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Speaker 1: treatment that he's gonna get tonight. I think there's definitely
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Speaker 1: something to the Subway series rivalry, the big brother Little Brother,
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Speaker 1: their element that's always existed between these two teams in
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Speaker 1: this city. I think that's gonna add to it tonight.
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Speaker 3: Does that mean the Mets are in Yankees fans heads.
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Speaker 1: That I wouldn't known. It seems like there's definitely been
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Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth on social media with
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Speaker 1: regards to Sodo this season. It seems like everything he does,
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Speaker 1: whether it's you know, if it's good, Mets fans are
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Speaker 1: making a huge deal out of it. If it's bad,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe a defensive blunder or something like that,
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Speaker 1: or being now performed by Trent Grisham. Now Yankees fans
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Speaker 1: make a big deal of that on social media. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he's if Mets fans are in their
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Speaker 1: heads or vice versa, anything like that, but it definitely
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Speaker 1: seems like the Sodo element, this rivalry has magnified things
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Speaker 1: a little bit.
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Speaker 5: You talk about magnifying For a guy that's been a
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Speaker 5: part of him on both sides, I think it's truly special.
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Speaker 5: The Subway series is one of a kind. Do you
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Speaker 5: see this one though in recent years, this one being
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Speaker 5: a little more signigant and understandable, like this is for
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Speaker 5: big time bragging rights, because at the end of the year,
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Speaker 5: no matter what happens, one side's gonna get over on
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Speaker 5: the other. Do you see this one being probably one
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Speaker 5: of the biggest Subway series of all.
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Speaker 1: It certainly feels like that going into it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: not only do you have the sodoness of it all,
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Speaker 1: like both teams are in first place, both teams are
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Speaker 1: seen as championship contenders, they're financial heavyweights. You've got all
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Speaker 1: these other cross team ties with Carlos Mendoza, Clay Holmes,
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Speaker 1: I mean, the relationship now guys have with Aaron Boone
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Speaker 1: from playing with him previously. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: different storylines here that make this an enticing matchup, aside
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Speaker 1: from Juan Soto, and then obviously Juan Soto is just
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Speaker 1: a huge storyline with anything that he does.
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Speaker 2: So for a long time, obviously, the Yankees have run
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Speaker 2: the city with baseball, and this goes back whatever one
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Speaker 2: hundred something years point or whatever year they existed and
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Speaker 2: started things up. I feel like, you know, growing up
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Speaker 2: in the Tri State area, you see Mets fans root
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Speaker 2: for the Mets, but also keep a very close eye
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Speaker 2: on the Yankees. With Yankee fans, it was kind of
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Speaker 2: a mix. Obviously, you know, the Mets haven't had nearly
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Speaker 2: the success. Do you think that changes now. I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying Mets fans are going to stop paying attention to
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Speaker 2: the Yankees. But do you think Yankee fans over the
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Speaker 2: next let's call it five years. For now, I'm paying
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Speaker 2: very close attention to the Mets because despite them spending
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Speaker 2: some money elsewhere this offseason that has worked out really well,
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Speaker 2: like on Max Freed, if the Mets have more success
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Speaker 2: over the next five years than the Yankees do, there
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Speaker 2: are going to be a lot of fingers pointing at
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Speaker 2: hal Steinberner for not being able to keep a guy
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Speaker 2: that he traded for and then got outbid by second
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Speaker 2: fiddle in the city.
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Speaker 1: In baseball, Well, I think it started a couple of
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Speaker 1: years ago. You know, when Steve Cohen introduced himself with
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Speaker 1: all these crazy spending sprees and showed that he can
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Speaker 1: be a financial behemoth. He's been in some years a
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Speaker 1: bigger financial obah myth, and the Mets have been one,
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Speaker 1: more so than the Yankees. I think that's when it
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Speaker 1: really started to change that. Oh, Yankee fans and the
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Speaker 1: Yankees are paying attention to what the Mets are doing
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Speaker 1: because they're a threat and free agency and now you don't,
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Speaker 1: like I said, they're playing amazing baseball, they're a first
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Speaker 1: paced team as well. They're a championship contender, like, they're
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Speaker 1: a threat in every sense of the word. So you're
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Speaker 1: going to pay attention to them, no different than you
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Speaker 1: would pay attention to a division rival, or the way
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Speaker 1: the Yankees have paid attention to what the Dodgers have
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Speaker 1: done for the last several years. I think that dynamics
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Speaker 1: started to kind of shape and shift a couple of
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Speaker 1: years ago with Steve Cohen, you know, taking full control
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Speaker 1: of the team.
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Speaker 4: Is there any team animosity? Yes, we've been talking about
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Speaker 4: fans ownership, team animosity. I mean you heard Judge say
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Speaker 4: or Soto say, yeah, I changed my phone number. So
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Speaker 4: we had the whole like, who this change my number?
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Speaker 4: Nobody from the Yankees was calling Juan Soto during the offseason.
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Speaker 4: Judge is a leader of that team. Is there any
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Speaker 4: animosity between the team or is it just gonna be
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Speaker 4: hugs and kisses before the game.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's necessarily any animosity. I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of players understand that one did what he thought
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Speaker 1: was best for himself and best for his family. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't think any any player is gonna want to
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Speaker 1: be in the situation that one put himself in and
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Speaker 1: earned for himself this past offseason. You know, Judge went
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Speaker 1: through it a couple off seasons ago himself. So I
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Speaker 1: think these guys, particularly the ones who have been to
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Speaker 1: free agency, get it. I do think the rivalry element
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Speaker 1: of it, the Yankees versus Mets thing, that's definitely more
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Speaker 1: of a fan driven thing than it would be a
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Speaker 1: player driven thing. And like I said, you've got other
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Speaker 1: guys on the Mets, on the Yankees who have played
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Speaker 1: for the other team, who have played for the other manager.
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Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I don't think there's too many hard
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Speaker 1: feelings there.
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Speaker 2: want to ask and maybe what have you already spoken to,
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Speaker 2: you know, Yankees players and or brass about Juan Soto,
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Speaker 2: Like take me back to you know when that all
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Speaker 2: went down, right and he actually signed with the Mets,
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Speaker 2: and what the sentiment was, and I know eventually they
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Speaker 2: talked about how you know, what was it Judge didn't
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Speaker 2: have Soto's new phone number, all that fun drama that
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Speaker 2: we had. But you know what, what did you hear
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Speaker 2: back then? And what would you want to know about
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Speaker 2: now that it's been you know a little bit of time,
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Speaker 2: you let it simmer for a little bit after it
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Speaker 2: actually happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, As far as what I heard back then is
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Speaker 1: kind of what everybody else has heard, is that Wand
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Speaker 1: changed his number and guys weren't necessarily able to get
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Speaker 1: through to him during his free agency. As far as
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Speaker 1: what I would want to know, I'd like to know
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Speaker 1: if there is anybody that actually did get in touch
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Speaker 1: with him, Guys who are current Yankees, now what they
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Speaker 1: might have said, precisely what their pitch might have sounded like.
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Speaker 1: I also would be curious, like just what were guys
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Speaker 1: genuine initial in the moment reactions when they saw the
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Speaker 1: final number, Because I think most of us in the
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Speaker 1: baseball world, like our eyes popped out of our heads.
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Speaker 1: Did guys expect a number like that? Where guys did
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Speaker 1: guys think it might be faker, joker? Or I mean
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Speaker 1: because when one first went to free agency, or even
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Speaker 1: leading up to free agency, we were talking about five
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Speaker 1: hundred million, six hundred million, and like that seemed astronomical,
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Speaker 1: but there was at least expectations set for it. So
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, like how guys genuinely reacted in the moment
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Speaker 1: when those first reports and tweets surfaced.
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Speaker 3: You talk about joke numbers.
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Speaker 4: Aaron Judge right now, this is completely off the one
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Speaker 4: so topic. Aaron Judge right now is making first team
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Speaker 4: in like high school stats. If he's putting up what
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Speaker 4: he's doing in high school, he's doing it in the
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Speaker 4: big leagues. Is theyre a reaction in those in the
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Speaker 4: clubhouse when not only visiting teams come in, but just
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Speaker 4: his own Yankee teammates that a dude that's had MVPs
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Speaker 4: has done what he's done. And then he goes to
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Speaker 4: I want to get this right. His two fifty eight
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Speaker 4: ops plus he's one hundred and fifty eight percent better
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Speaker 4: than the average player in the big leagues.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know, my first two years on the beat, I
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Speaker 1: think postgame and I Judge would do something amazing. You
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Speaker 1: have a huge home run, make a great catch. Postgame,
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Speaker 1: it was a lot of like, oh my god, we
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Speaker 1: can't believe this. This year, I feel like it's way
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Speaker 1: more like, yeah, this is what he does and it's
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Speaker 1: another day at the office and he's just playing a
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Speaker 1: different game at a different level than everybody else. I
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Speaker 1: feel like there's like less shock in AWE this year
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Speaker 1: because he's just established, like this is who he is
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Speaker 1: this is.
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Speaker 3: What he does.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he's got a want soda in
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Speaker 1: front of him or not. You know, you saw that
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Yeah, I think it's more teetering
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Speaker 1: toward the edge of like we have nothing left to
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Speaker 1: say that's descriptive or groundbreaking. Boone says it all the time, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, we're running out of descriptors and adjectives for him.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's true.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point.
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Speaker 2: I mean, last I checked, he's still above four hundred, right, yeah,
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Speaker 2: four eleven. Where we're at four eleven, two.
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Speaker 3: For five, two for five and his batting average goes down.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy what he's doing right now. I mean we
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Speaker 1: were at the and we were at the end of
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Speaker 1: April and his average was higher than the date.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, damn right, that's incredible. Well, Gary, enjoy this one.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun series obviously, just as much
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Speaker 2: for the fanfare as it is for what goes down
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Speaker 2: on the field with two very good teams right now,
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Speaker 2: which is always fun for the city. Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to the series, and appreciate you guys
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Speaker 1: having me on.
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Speaker 2: Top five. I can ask you because you've seen some
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Speaker 2: Yankee games live recently. Are you surprised the way that
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Speaker 2: some teams have been attacking Aaron Judge and whatever. Call
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Speaker 2: me softest as a pseudo you know, manager on this show,
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Speaker 2: trying to act like I'm going to tell all my pictures.
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Speaker 2: Hey avoid him at all costs. I'm not saying bases loaded,
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Speaker 2: you know, tight game, you gotta walk them, although maybe
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Speaker 2: you think about it, but should he be getting I
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Speaker 2: mean the simple question. More of the Barry Bonds treatment.
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Speaker 2: It's been a theme on our show and I don't
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Speaker 2: know if we've asked you lately.
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Speaker 5: Listen, he's getting pitches to hit, he's driving the ball,
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Speaker 5: he's listen. Everybody always talks about like the playoffs he had.
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Speaker 5: He's had a great run in the playoffs, you know,
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Speaker 5: before last year. In my opinion, I don't mean to
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Speaker 5: jump from Dingy think he's a great regular season hitter.
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Speaker 5: He's phenomenal. I mean, cratzy. You can attest to this.
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Speaker 5: When we played in seventeen. How good was he was
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Speaker 5: driving the ball all over the place. But yes, he
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Speaker 5: is an absolute beast of a player. People forget his size,
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Speaker 5: his stature, how far he can hit, the ball he
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Speaker 5: hit one four to sixty the other day. He's just
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Speaker 5: an absolute beast and he's not missing these pitches too
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Speaker 5: often when he's getting them. And I think that's the
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Speaker 5: difference right now going into this year, because we always
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Speaker 5: talk about getting one pitch to hit. He gets that
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Speaker 5: one pitch. If he misses it, he still has an
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Speaker 5: opportunity to get on base and walk. He is in
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Speaker 5: a hitter's count every time he hits. I don't care
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Speaker 5: if it's O two one two two two, just the
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Speaker 5: way he is and way pitchers know that guy can hit.
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Speaker 6: Be careful with him.
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Speaker 2: No, the movie's back. We got a problem, Todd father.
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Speaker 2: So let me know if I can enter the office
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Speaker 2: to be.
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Speaker 6: Respectful, come on any time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, it's good to see you. I appreciate
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Speaker 2: everything that you do for me. And you know, I
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Speaker 2: wanted to know not just your thoughts about this whole
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Speaker 2: Pete Rose situation. Right. We know we bet on baseball,
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Speaker 2: and for those that think that he only bet on wins, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean he didn't bet on every game, so you
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Speaker 2: essentially bet on losses too. But anyway, Marty Brenneman legend
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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati wonderful person to who called Reds games for
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Speaker 2: decades nineteen seventy four through twenty nineteen. You heard him
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Speaker 2: on the radio, at least for me the last couple decades.
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Speaker 2: Said he was pissed that this didn't happen the reinstatement
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Speaker 2: while Pete was alive. I'll give you one quote here,
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Speaker 2: don before you can give me your answer. He said,
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Speaker 2: I just felt that he had served his jail time,
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Speaker 2: if you will, far longer than he really should have
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Speaker 2: had to do it. And the fact that they rushed
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Speaker 2: to make him eligible within a matter of months, to me,
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Speaker 2: was the wrong way to go about doing business. When
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Speaker 2: they say made him eligible obviously after he had passed,
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Speaker 2: you know, in September they have the meeting in Decem. Boom.
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Speaker 2: Now he's eligible for the Hall of Fame and activated.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about how this all went down?
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Speaker 2: We talked about a lot this week. Haven't gotten your
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Speaker 2: thoughts yet.
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Speaker 5: Well, listen, I'm I'm going to talk basically about him
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Speaker 5: as a baseball player in Hall of Fame. I'm not
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Speaker 5: talking about anything else off the field. I'm not talking
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Speaker 5: about anything as a person. I know as a person,
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Speaker 5: he's a great guy. I've met him a bunch of times.
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Speaker 5: He's absolutely phenomenal dude. For me, I agree with Marty
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Speaker 5: one hundred percent on everything he said. He should have
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Speaker 5: been in the Hall of Fame before he died. He's
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Speaker 5: it's been years and years. I don't have the exact years,
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Speaker 5: but it's been thirty plus years close to forty years
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Speaker 5: of him getting this And did he make a mistake. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: he did. He made a huge mistake. I don't think
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Speaker 5: he should have been reinstated in baseball. I think he
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Speaker 5: should have been in the Hall of Fame, and I'm
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Speaker 5: gonna stick with that. I think now all of a
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Speaker 5: sudden he passed away and away pretty much you're gonna say, oh,
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Speaker 5: we can reinstate him.
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Speaker 6: I think it's bad taste.
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Speaker 5: It's a bad flavor in a lot of people's mouth,
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Speaker 5: and especially in the Ohio area and the Queen City.
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Speaker 5: This this guy's beloved there, and he's beloved all over
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Speaker 5: the Midwest and in baseball. And you know, you're gonna
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Speaker 5: have your naysayers out there, and that's just part of
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Speaker 5: the world and part of how everybody is. But for me,
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Speaker 5: as a baseball player, him not getting in the Hall
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Speaker 5: of Fame before he passed away. That's that's a tough
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Speaker 5: pill to swallow, because he is the greatest hitter right
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Speaker 5: now in baseball, because he has the most hits. I'm
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Speaker 5: not saying eventually, I'm saying there's guys right now that
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Speaker 5: most likely will you know, top that and you know,
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Speaker 5: be better hitters. But this dude had so many hits,
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Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody's gonna catch him in that category.
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Speaker 5: He's had so many quotes and he's helped so many
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Speaker 5: people out in the game of baseball. He has served
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Speaker 5: his jail time, you know, per se in the game
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Speaker 5: because of this, and I think, you know, he definitely
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Speaker 5: deserved to be in the Hall of Fame before he
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Speaker 5: passed away. And it's just it's I think it's a
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Speaker 5: bad taste right now.
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Speaker 2: mean we talked about this earlier. The week of course,
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Speaker 2: there was timing with with President Trump meeting with Rob Manfred.
18:16
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's why he ultimately made the decision here.
18:21
Speaker 2: Would you have rather not seen him ever reinstated or
18:24
Speaker 2: is this still better than never getting reinstated? Right? Because
18:27
Speaker 2: like you've got different sides of the spectrum here. I'm
18:30
Speaker 2: sitting in AJC today. Aj this week is very adamant
18:32
Speaker 2: that the betting on baseball thing for him means I
18:35
Speaker 2: never want you involved again. It's like the Cardinal Sin rule,
18:38
Speaker 2: and everybody's got their own opinions that get respected. We
18:42
Speaker 2: had Pete Rose's lawyer on yesterday who was like, I
18:44
Speaker 2: respect you're saying, here's where I'm coming from. But for you,
18:47
Speaker 2: as somebody who's pro Pete rose activation Hall of Famable thing,
18:51
Speaker 2: is it better at least that he got reinstated now
18:54
Speaker 2: and that the political pressure did you know, at least
18:56
Speaker 2: allow him to get some more love from you know,
18:59
Speaker 2: his family, who now gets to see him at least,
19:01
Speaker 2: you know, back in quote good graces with baseball and
19:04
Speaker 2: able to be voted into the Hall of Fame if
19:06
Speaker 2: that happens. Or you're like, well, if you if you
19:09
Speaker 2: decided to say this to him during the days that
19:12
Speaker 2: he was alive, then you should have just stuck with
19:14
Speaker 2: your decision.
19:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, I don't know. I can't speak
19:20
Speaker 5: for his family, nor or would I ever for me though,
19:23
Speaker 5: it's like, okay, you know he was alive.
19:26
Speaker 6: We could have done this years ago.
19:28
Speaker 5: But again, like I said, you guys and AJ was
19:31
Speaker 5: a big component about the whole thing. Guys take steroids
19:34
Speaker 5: and they're back in eighty games. I think steroids is
19:37
Speaker 5: even worse in my opinion, and there's not a harsher
19:40
Speaker 5: penalty for that. You know, we can go back and
19:44
Speaker 5: forth on this debate. Everybody has their opinions and their
19:46
Speaker 5: thoughts and beliefs. You know, right now, I'm just like, ah, okay,
19:50
Speaker 5: put him in, but it's to me, it wouldn't be
19:53
Speaker 5: the same. It would be great, But still I thought
19:58
Speaker 5: it should have happened a while ago.
20:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Kratz, the way that Todd Father's
20:04
Speaker 2: talking is the passion that you're seeing from a lot
20:07
Speaker 2: of people that are not just pro Pete Rose in
20:11
Speaker 2: this debate, but people that are actually either from Cincinnati
20:15
Speaker 2: or spent a lot of time in Cincinnati. That's the passion.
20:17
Speaker 2: I'm feeling like we got some of this from c
20:19
Speaker 2: Trent rosecrants the other day to ask him, Hey, what
20:22
Speaker 2: are you seeing from people around town? And it sounded
20:25
Speaker 2: like the way Todd Father's talking spot.
20:27
Speaker 3: On you spend time all around there.
20:29
Speaker 4: I mean, they just had Pete Rose day five to
20:33
Speaker 4: fourteen May fourteenth had Pete Rose Day honoring him. He
20:37
Speaker 4: is a legend in that city, and Todd experienced it
20:40
Speaker 4: for what six years?
20:42
Speaker 3: Five years?
20:43
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, and Todd is one of the legends,
20:47
Speaker 4: never on the same level as Pete Rose, but he's
20:49
Speaker 4: one of those guys, and that's who's talked about. And
20:54
Speaker 4: you know what, that's why everybody's opinion on this can
20:58
Speaker 4: be very heated, but it is everybody's opinion. Everyone has
21:03
Speaker 4: a different opinion on it.
21:05
Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of wild. And this is not
21:07
Speaker 2: off topic but a topic that we didn't really cover
21:09
Speaker 2: this week. We mentioned it. But shoeless Joe Jackson is
21:13
Speaker 2: also reinstated. I mean, he's been dead for like almost
21:16
Speaker 2: three quarters of a century. I think there are conspiracy
21:19
Speaker 2: theories around if he was really that involved on that
21:22
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen Black Sox scandal, So I wonder how that
21:26
Speaker 2: will be perceived. Pete definitely bet on baseball. You admitted
21:29
Speaker 2: to that, Like, that's in one category. So if you're
21:31
Speaker 2: against that, you're against that. But if you're like, hey,
21:34
Speaker 2: I know that, you know he was punished just like
21:37
Speaker 2: the rest of them. But I'm buying into some of
21:39
Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories, and I'm looking at the way that
21:41
Speaker 2: he performed in those games. Maybe he gets in and
21:45
Speaker 2: Pete doesn't. I know, it would be crazy, but it's possible.
21:48
Speaker 3: Watch watch the movie. The movie will kind of sheds
21:51
Speaker 3: a different light.
21:52
Speaker 2: Get it.
21:52
Speaker 3: It's a movie. I think it's actually called The Black Sox.
21:56
Speaker 2: Read the book too. Eight Men Out? Is that what
21:58
Speaker 2: you're talking about?
21:59
Speaker 3: Minute, Yeah, yeah.
22:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, it is what it is. It's
22:06
Speaker 5: over with now because he you know, he's deceased. And
22:08
Speaker 5: that's that's the tough part to swallow for me, Like
22:12
Speaker 5: knowing all of a sudden, now they're going to make
22:14
Speaker 5: a rule saying, since you're a deceased we can reinstate hip.
22:18
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know. I think the people
22:20
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati didn't like that at all.
22:23
Speaker 2: And the thing is, yeah, I mean, this suddenly was determined.
22:26
Speaker 2: Even though we've had cases like this in the past. Julish,
22:29
Speaker 2: Joe Jackson was a superstar player. I didn't get to
22:34
Speaker 2: watch him play. I don't think anybody right now vern
22:38
Speaker 2: Julish Joe Jackson at this point in the early nineteen hundreds.
22:41
Speaker 2: But if they really felt this strongly about it. It's
22:46
Speaker 2: really impeccable timing that all of a sudden, crats we
22:48
Speaker 2: get this decision. Everyone's good, everyone's good. Now once you die,
22:52
Speaker 2: that's our limit, that's our mark death, and then you're
22:55
Speaker 2: back in.
22:57
Speaker 4: They could have never let any of those any of
23:00
Speaker 4: those players in while Pete was still alive. Maybe they
23:03
Speaker 4: could have allowed it before Pete got caught with his scandal,
23:07
Speaker 4: and then, you know, if they had all passed away,
23:09
Speaker 4: but they didn't all. I don't think they were all
23:12
Speaker 4: deceased by the time Pete had, you know, done hit
23:16
Speaker 4: or got caught for his infraction.
23:17
Speaker 3: But yeah, I I don't know. I don't know what
23:23
Speaker 3: Todd said.
23:24
Speaker 6: It's tough, man.
23:25
Speaker 5: It's tough to tell us about it is. It's hard
23:27
Speaker 5: because because we didn't play with him, we didn't you know,
23:31
Speaker 5: I got to know him. I mean, I don't know
23:33
Speaker 5: if you ever met him like I've known him personally.
23:35
Speaker 6: I used to.
23:35
Speaker 5: I could call him on the phone and be like, hey, man,
23:37
Speaker 5: I'm struggling. Talk to me a little bit, like that's
23:40
Speaker 5: the relationship I had. So maybe I'm a little biased,
23:43
Speaker 5: of course, but you know, what, are they going to
23:45
Speaker 5: make rules for guys that did other things in sports
23:48
Speaker 5: when they passed away. Are they going to be able
23:49
Speaker 5: to come back and get into the Hall of Fame?
23:52
Speaker 5: So it's it's a sticky little line that you know,
23:55
Speaker 5: man for it is kind of going around here. So
23:58
Speaker 5: we'll see see what happens.
24:00
Speaker 6: Yep.
24:00
Speaker 5: I think time time will pass and everything we'll get
24:04
Speaker 5: back to normal again.
24:06
Speaker 2: And the only thing I'll stand by, because this is
24:08
Speaker 2: the only point that I feel strongly about that I
24:10
Speaker 2: can say I feel right about, is the decision changed
24:15
Speaker 2: because of a meeting. Okay, they weren't going you know
24:20
Speaker 2: what after he dies. Yeah, let's let's do that. Right.
24:23
Speaker 2: There was a meeting, it was very recently, and then
24:27
Speaker 2: they flip flopped. Period. That's it. Let someone come on
24:30
Speaker 2: our show and tell me otherwise. No freaking way.
24:33
Speaker 9: So Rob knows who can butter his bread and hey,
24:38
Speaker 9: like like Pete Lawyer said yesterday, it doesn't hurt to
24:41
Speaker 9: have any president on your side in an argument.
24:43
Speaker 2: Totally agree with that, right, I'm just saying, like, Rob
24:47
Speaker 2: didn't make this decision. You know, they had a meeting.
24:50
Speaker 2: They said this would put you in good graces, make
24:52
Speaker 2: this call, and they did. Done.
24:59
Speaker 4: Rob doesn't want to anti trust agreement that is a
25:03
Speaker 4: legally federal binding anti trust agreement to go away. He
25:08
Speaker 4: wants to keep it exactly how it is, and if
25:10
Speaker 4: you're conversating with the old prays of the United States,
25:15
Speaker 4: it works.
25:17
Speaker 2: If I was CEO of the League like Manfred, I
25:19
Speaker 2: would have done the same thing, because your job is
25:21
Speaker 2: to keep the league in a good spot and make
25:24
Speaker 2: as much money as possible for the league. That is
25:26
Speaker 2: your number one job these days as a commissioner, So
25:28
Speaker 2: I would have done the same thing. I'm just saying.
25:29
Speaker 2: The point of this show is that we can say
25:31
Speaker 2: whatever he wants, So I'm just telling you the real
25:33
Speaker 2: story is there's a meeting and Trump's a big Rose fan,
25:37
Speaker 2: and that's great, and so that's what creates this. So
25:40
Speaker 2: I don't blame any of that, but that's how you
25:42
Speaker 2: actually get something done like this. Otherwise they were just
25:44
Speaker 2: going to let it linger forever