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Katie Woolf spoke with The Big Issues with Damian Hale and Dave Tollner · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Mixed One at four nine three sixty Join us as
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  Speaker 1: we cover the big issues.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the big fellas are back in the studio and
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  Speaker 2: and of course the big issues this morning brought to
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  Speaker 2: you are by Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal loaned operated
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  Speaker 2: and community lead organization from the Top End to Tenant
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  Speaker 2: Creek and joining me in the studio, Dave.
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  Speaker 1: Tolna, good morning, great to be with you, Good.
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  Speaker 3: To have your back mate.
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  Speaker 2: And we've also got Damie and Hi Old good morning.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning Wolfy. And I was fresh from doing that
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  Speaker 4: fundraiser with Tolly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh the band is bad.
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  Speaker 1: They loved me.
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  Speaker 5: Tom was brutally honest.
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  Speaker 2: As always from Dave to it was good fun.
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  Speaker 5: I hope they raised a bit of money.
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  Speaker 2: There's plenty on the agenda when you when you look
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  Speaker 2: at things happening aroun on the place nationally. I do
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  Speaker 2: just want to take you to an investigation by Sky News.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham was on the show a little bit earlier
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  Speaker 2: today and revealed that well the devastating effects of increased
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  Speaker 2: welfare payments and early access to superannuation in indigenous communities
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  Speaker 2: during the coronavirus pandemic. Now documents that have been obtained
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  Speaker 2: by the Freedom of information show the extra payments have
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  Speaker 2: been linked to increases in alcohol consumption, gambling and domestic violence.
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  Speaker 2: I know that it's probably not a huge surprise to
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  Speaker 2: any of us really in the territory. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we'd spoken to Mission Australia a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: They had said that, you know, the sobering up shelter
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  Speaker 2: out there.
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  Speaker 3: Is at record numbers.
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  Speaker 2: We've certainly been talking more and more around the top
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  Speaker 2: end as well about people accessing alcohol sometimes through secondary supply.
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  Speaker 2: But gee, you know, I don't really know what the
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  Speaker 2: answer is here, but it does seem as though we
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  Speaker 2: see issues when some of these increased payments come through.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's always happened, like you think of the baby
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  Speaker 4: bonus from the Howard years, the rud stimulus of two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and nine during the global financial crisis, and now
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  Speaker 4: this stimulus package. The thing is that the decision was
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  Speaker 4: made that people had to stay at home, and you
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  Speaker 4: have to if you're going to do that, send link.
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  Speaker 4: Payments have to be consistent across Australia. I don't agree
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  Speaker 4: at all that some people are more entitled to them
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  Speaker 4: than others.
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  Speaker 5: And there's certainly.
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  Speaker 4: People that will profit here at this At this time,
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  Speaker 4: it's not an offer alcohol to and more expensive in
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  Speaker 4: some cases to the most vulnerable people in the community,
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  Speaker 4: not only people out in remote communities, but.
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  Speaker 5: Also here in Darwin.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm sure the clubs and the pubs would
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  Speaker 4: have done quite well, or the takeaways anyway out of
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  Speaker 4: darn And people will spend money on what they want
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  Speaker 4: to spend money on, and unfortunately some people will waste
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  Speaker 4: that money and spend it on alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I just sort of look.
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  Speaker 6: Back and I think, you know, out of all those
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  Speaker 6: things that you mentioned, Harley, probably the most successful at
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  Speaker 6: stopping that was Kevin Rudd's stimulus package. You know, I
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  Speaker 6: think all those checks that email to dead people, not
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  Speaker 6: one of them was spent on alcohol or two sheep
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  Speaker 6: a television.
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  Speaker 5: It's just always having to go anything like that.
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  Speaker 6: You know, when you mail money off to dead people,
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  Speaker 6: you can sit there and say, we're absolutely certain they're
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  Speaker 6: not spending that on alcohol. Well, but the point is
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  Speaker 6: that Harley makes in all seriousness, it happens almost with
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  Speaker 6: and the thing without the federal government is they do
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  Speaker 6: one size fits all, and there will always be a
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  Speaker 6: minority of people who won't use that money for their
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  Speaker 6: own welfare. They'll go and spend it on other things.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of you know, federal payments and some of the
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  Speaker 2: different initiatives that have come out as a result of COVID.
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  Speaker 3: We know that at the moment there's a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a brawl that's erupted over job Keeper.
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  Speaker 2: This time true for Josh Friedenberg's hit back at and
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  Speaker 2: Ajah Palachet, accusing the Queensland Premier of grand standing and
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  Speaker 2: petty politicking over her call to extend job Keeper. Palachet
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  Speaker 2: branded Friedenberg as completely out of touch over issues affecting Queenslanders,
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  Speaker 2: as the federal government stands firm on its plan to
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  Speaker 2: end its job Keeper payment by the end of the month.
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  Speaker 2: But Friedenberg's hit back in an editorial for The Courier Mail,
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  Speaker 2: accusing the Queensland Premier of grand standing and petty politicking
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  Speaker 2: and said the reality is the Morrison Government's already delivered
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  Speaker 2: to Queenslanders more than three times the amount of economic
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  Speaker 2: support than the Palachet government's committed to.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he was written.
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  Speaker 6: You remember what Paul Keating said, never get between a
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  Speaker 6: state premier and a bucket of money.
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  Speaker 5: It's like it's a six speed economy.
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  Speaker 4: Though there's one consistent thing about state premier's day was right,
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  Speaker 4: they're all in it for their own.
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  Speaker 5: State, and that's what you love about it. So there's
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  Speaker 5: always there's always.
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  Speaker 4: Going to be argy barge between the Commonwealth and how
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  Speaker 4: long these stimulus packages and the job Keeper and that
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  Speaker 4: would continue to be available to states. It's a little
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  Speaker 4: bit like when they get of GST revenue windfall and
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  Speaker 4: it's hard to turn the tap off, but they can't.
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  Speaker 6: But they're all care and their responsibilities. You see, they
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  Speaker 6: don't have to worry about raising taxes and they're like
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  Speaker 6: that's the role of the federal government. They just sit
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  Speaker 6: there and spend them and say we need more. And
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  Speaker 6: that was Paul Keating's point. You know, it's been the
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  Speaker 6: lot of every prime minister in this country, no matter
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  Speaker 6: what political flavor you are, you just don't get between
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  Speaker 6: a state premier and a bucket of money.
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  Speaker 2: There is I mean, there is definitely some concern over
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  Speaker 2: the job Keeper. I mean, like when you talk about
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  Speaker 2: sectors like the tourism sector, there's no doubt that people
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  Speaker 2: have been hit incredibly hard.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the one.
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  Speaker 2: You know that some obviously that some employers are able
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  Speaker 2: to keep people employed. There's no doubt that some of
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  Speaker 2: those sectors are going to be hit really hard when.
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  Speaker 6: Well, some of those sectors, look, the fact is that
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  Speaker 6: probably it's the only thing keeping their businesses alive, and
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  Speaker 6: you know, they're just staving off the inevitable. Some of
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  Speaker 6: those things just aren't going to recover in the in
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  Speaker 6: the near term.
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  Speaker 4: And also they're going into their winter months too coming up.
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  Speaker 4: So there's summer, the summer months when the bonanza and
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  Speaker 4: Queen's lands on and they do, all their good stuff
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  Speaker 4: coming to an end.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the answer, because you know, even here in
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  Speaker 2: the territory, like we have heard from tourism businesses who
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  Speaker 2: are really you know, who are struggling, and there's no
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  Speaker 2: doubt about that. And you know, had COVID not hit,
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  Speaker 2: they would not be in the situation that they're in.
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  Speaker 2: It's really no fault of their own. But the situation
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  Speaker 2: that we're in at the moment seems with international.
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  Speaker 6: Terrace government induced recession, this isn't the normal thing where
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  Speaker 6: your markets are gone belly up or or that sort
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  Speaker 6: of stuff. This has been brought on by governments, and
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  Speaker 6: that's why governments feel that there's some responsibility to them
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  Speaker 6: that they have to keep because they're the ones who
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  Speaker 6: brought this on.
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  Speaker 2: He's just looking at it.
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  Speaker 3: But what's the answer.
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  Speaker 2: That vaccine flows out and it's more more people get
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine.
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  Speaker 6: I think that once a vaccine rolled out that things
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  Speaker 6: would return to normal. But you know, we're constantly hearing things, no, no,
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  Speaker 6: it'll be.
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  Speaker 4: Enough, and we've still got millions of people that have
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  Speaker 4: to be vaccinated.
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  Speaker 3: So it's going to take a while.
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  Speaker 4: Alluded to the comments from Paul Keating's right, like the
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  Speaker 4: state governments, all of them are going to continue to
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  Speaker 4: put the pressure on Canberra to do the heavy lifting.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to They're going to want more Camberra will
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  Speaker 4: be wanting to cut the flow off, and they will
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  Speaker 4: have these debates and arguments, right I think right through
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  Speaker 4: till probably.
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  Speaker 5: The end of the year.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know whether or not, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not an economist. I'm not sure whether or not
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  Speaker 4: cutting everything off at March is going to be adequate.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I take on Dave's point about state
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  Speaker 4: governments have created this. It's you know, it's really been
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  Speaker 4: about the health pandemic that we're in and most governments
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  Speaker 4: and Dan Andrews gets whacked more than anyone, right but
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  Speaker 4: right from the start, But right from the start, Dan
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  Speaker 4: Andrews has had the chief Health officers standing to his
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  Speaker 4: side and been going down that road with the advice
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  Speaker 4: of the health professionals. Some countries haven't done that and
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  Speaker 4: have got huge death tolls from this. Australia, all the
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  Speaker 4: premiers have done the same thing. They've had the health
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  Speaker 4: officer there with them right throughout it.
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  Speaker 6: Someone passer buck Tea.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you've just got to listen to the look at
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  Speaker 4: what's happened in the United States, you know, even now
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  Speaker 4: the Republican convention, one of the senators come.
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  Speaker 1: Out, it's all fixed, it's all fixed.
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  Speaker 4: In four weeks is already have the death rate in
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  Speaker 4: the US a daily death rate. But the Republicans still
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  Speaker 4: coming out at their conference on the weekend and attacking
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  Speaker 4: the Chief Health Officer again like they just don't get
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  Speaker 4: it bout you. They just don't get it. They just
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  Speaker 4: will not they none of it.
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  Speaker 6: For some reason, there's Republicans, they're not big on them,
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  Speaker 6: socialists like that, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, the numbers games how many people are.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad that what Australia has done because we wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have handled having four thousand people dying.
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  Speaker 6: That given that we've got this economic crisis. You wonder
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  Speaker 6: when they're going to bring the accountants in. Don't you
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  Speaker 6: know gonna will stand there doing an interview with accountants
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  Speaker 6: beside him and this is what our accounts said.
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  Speaker 1: It will come down.
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  Speaker 5: You recommendize that. That's where the.
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  Speaker 1: Any time in the.
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  Speaker 4: Back room of the footy club there's the strength and
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  Speaker 4: conditioning coaches argue with the skills coaches. In Parliament or
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  Speaker 4: in the government, it's the being counters arguing with the
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  Speaker 4: health professionals.
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  Speaker 5: That's what's going on behind.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any being counters arguing at the moment, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: The Chief.
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  Speaker 4: The Chief bean Counter has come out.
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  Speaker 3: Three sixty with Katie Wolf thanks to Joyce Main Darwin
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  Speaker 3: Homes owned Stuart Highway Beerrimer.
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  Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine
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  Speaker 2: three sixty and it is the Big Issues and the
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  Speaker 2: big Issues brought to you by Kolano Community Association and
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal Lined Operated and community led to organization from the
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  Speaker 2: top end to Tenant Creek. Now I want to ask
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  Speaker 2: you both, because you have obviously both been or better
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  Speaker 2: turn your microphones on.
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  Speaker 3: Dave told him and Damian Hale, I'm a bit slow
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  Speaker 3: this morning.
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  Speaker 6: You got to be keep with Harley said, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you're just sort of picking him up mid six when
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  Speaker 6: we're thinking, you've got a little delayed before this gets
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  Speaker 6: out there is he can sort of put.
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  Speaker 1: The meats in at the right.
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  Speaker 2: Wondering now, I know that there's a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: campaign running at the moment, or the NT News is
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  Speaker 2: running a bit of a campaign, and I think you'd
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  Speaker 2: have to say that this is a topic that has
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  Speaker 2: been on the agenda for such a long time, and
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  Speaker 2: it is that of voluntary euthanasia. Now we know and
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  Speaker 2: the euthanasian laws. Now the Federal Attorney General is refusing
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  Speaker 2: to budge on the Commonwealth imposed ban on Territorians deciding
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  Speaker 2: for themselves if they want euthanasia to become legal. That's
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  Speaker 2: despite a growing push for the government to make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: It comes as the NT's one representative in the coalition government,
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  Speaker 2: except that she's facing significant roadblocks in convincing colleagues to
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  Speaker 2: support the territory's right to choose. Now we know that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the NTUS say they're standing firm on their
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  Speaker 2: push for the Commonwealth to scrap the Euthanasian Laws Act
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  Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety seven, which strips Territorians' rights to vote
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  Speaker 2: on the matter.
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  Speaker 3: As I said, this is something that comes up all
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  Speaker 3: the time, you know, like it very often.
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  Speaker 2: And we caught up with Sushira from CO to the
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  Speaker 2: Council of the Aging last week and it was something
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  Speaker 2: that they had raised as being an issue for some
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  Speaker 2: of our seniors within the community. And I think that
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  Speaker 2: it will it will continue to come up, especially as
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  Speaker 2: we see other states.
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  Speaker 3: Enable, you know, or change their laws to some degree.
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  Speaker 2: But the Attorney General's the Attorney General Christian Porter's office,
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  Speaker 2: in a statement for the third time in as many months,
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  Speaker 2: said there was no plans to introduce legislation to repeal
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  Speaker 2: these laws.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, you.
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  Speaker 6: Got to love the nten years, you know, the way
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  Speaker 6: to sort of go off on a tangent, you know,
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  Speaker 6: treat the symptom rather than the cause something that is Katie.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is a symptom of a far.
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  Speaker 6: Bigger issue and it's a lack of our rights in
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  Speaker 6: the Northern Territory as territorians, and the reality is we
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  Speaker 6: don't have states.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're not a state.
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  Speaker 6: We're not treated as other Australians do. And the federal
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  Speaker 6: government will argue about euthanasia. Obviously it was it was
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  Speaker 6: you know, Kevin Andrews introduced it. But this wasn't done
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  Speaker 6: on party political lines. It was a conscience fte and
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  Speaker 6: it was a very clear conscience vote that happened in
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  Speaker 6: the Federal Parliament where they rejected it. Now in the territory,
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  Speaker 6: take this as a rights issue. This is about our
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  Speaker 6: rights to make our own legislation, manage ourselves. In Candra,
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  Speaker 6: they say, well, you know, we've got the responsibility to
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  Speaker 6: manage the Northern Territory and we had a democratic vote
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  Speaker 6: on a particular issue and we're not going to back
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  Speaker 6: down on that. Look, it's a difficult spot. But the
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  Speaker 6: real issue is is Canbra's constant interference in the Northern
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  Speaker 6: Territory and you see it everywhere you look. Kakadeti for instance,
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  Speaker 6: a major basket case, nothing to do with the Northern
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  Speaker 6: Territory government, nothing to do with territories. This is a
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  Speaker 6: this is a problem that's entirely created by the federal government.
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  Speaker 6: The average Land Rights Act applies nowhere else in Australia.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone says they support it, but no a single state
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  Speaker 6: government has prepared to enact anything even remotely close to
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  Speaker 6: it in their own states. But the territory has these
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  Speaker 6: things foisted on it by Candra because we are a
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  Speaker 6: territory and if the nt US wanted to do something
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  Speaker 6: really constructive, they can start to pointing all of these
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  Speaker 6: areas out where we are being ripped off, we are
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  Speaker 6: being rartered by canbra Well this is only one symptom.
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  Speaker 6: Well we've got it. We've got to certainly push for
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  Speaker 6: equal white I mean this debate at the moment about
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  Speaker 6: the voice to Parliament, the Indigenous voice. There's a big argument, well,
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  Speaker 6: should it go to a referendum or not? You know
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  Speaker 6: this very important stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Should it go?
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  Speaker 6: Now, the Northern Territory has more Aborigines per capita than
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  Speaker 6: any other jurisdiction in the nation.
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  Speaker 1: They're talking about.
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  Speaker 6: Aboriginal they're talking about Aboriginal representation, and yet here the
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  Speaker 6: place with the most Aborigines per capita, they don't get
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  Speaker 6: to say on that referendum you know what I meant
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  Speaker 6: talk about putting the cart before the horse. You know,
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  Speaker 6: let's sort out the northern territory first, then we can
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  Speaker 6: deal with all these other things.
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  Speaker 2: Is statehood something that we should be pushing for. I
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  Speaker 2: mean some in the community would be listening now.
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  Speaker 6: People have round off with statehood discussions in the territory.
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  Speaker 6: But the reality is these other discussions are overtaking us.
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  Speaker 6: Says all this talk nationally about the voice. Do we
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  Speaker 6: have a referendum? I mean, how abhorrent is it that
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  Speaker 6: you're talking about trying to put in place a body
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  Speaker 6: that represents Indigenous people and yet the very jurisdiction with
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  Speaker 6: the most Indigenous people gets less than any other parts
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  Speaker 6: of the country.
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  Speaker 1: We believe Parliament, it's disgraceful.
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  Speaker 4: Full representatives of the territory two hundred and twenty seven
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  Speaker 4: members of the Upper and Lower House, we've got four.
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  Speaker 4: We've got around about thirteen to fifteen representatives live above
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  Speaker 4: the Brisbane line.
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  Speaker 6: There's eight more for the Tropic of Capricorn, and so
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  Speaker 6: half Australia's land mass is eight from one hundred and f.
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  Speaker 4: Which creates around about sixty percent of the GDP of
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  Speaker 4: the country. In that area and representations at.
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  Speaker 5: About three percent. So it is an issue.
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  Speaker 4: It's an issue in North Queensland, it's an issue in
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  Speaker 4: the furthest parts of Western Australia. Australia here we can't
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  Speaker 4: make our own decisions. I'm in favor of us being
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  Speaker 4: able to have our parliament. Whether you agree with euthanasia
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  Speaker 4: or not, that's not the issue. People can make their
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  Speaker 4: own choice about how they want to die, and doctors
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  Speaker 4: are probably doing it now anyway. But I think that
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  Speaker 4: it comes to the rights of territorians. And when you
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  Speaker 4: talk about statehood. I used to have these debates because
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  Speaker 4: we would, you know, statehood would come up and colleagues
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  Speaker 4: down in New South Wales in particular, where they've got
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  Speaker 4: fifty House of Reps and twelve senators, they just laugh
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  Speaker 4: at us. You know, what do you want?
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  Speaker 5: Do you want twelve senators? Do you want? I said, no,
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  Speaker 5: we want to have equal rights in the one country.
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  Speaker 6: We want to we should have twelve senators too, and
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  Speaker 6: ultimately we should. If you're going to, if you're going
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  Speaker 6: to be, you have what the state has and that's
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  Speaker 6: twelve senators.
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  Speaker 2: And what we want really is the opportunity to make
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  Speaker 2: decisions for ourselves when it matches, you know. But I
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  Speaker 2: guess on the other side of the fence. So, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, there'll be some people listening this morning. He'll think, well, geez,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: we can't even manage our own finances at the moment,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: And I say to people that you know, they say, oh,
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: you know, wouldn't be good if Kenbridges came and took
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: things over, you know.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: So we'll have a look at ken bro Just have
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: a look at the job. Wonderful job they do.
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: Do a trip out to gacad, go to is Rock, see,
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: have a look at anything that the federal government touches.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: If you think gun is bad, just wait, just wait
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: until these people get to go.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: Virtually almost virtually every problem and all the territory government
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: has can be sheet at home to the federal government.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: You know, poverty and remote communities, you know, all of
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: the all of our problems. You know, you can it
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: all back to the federal government.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: If you want to be making decisions, you've got to
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: actually meet here. You've got to experience things for yourself.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I reckon here in the to be it's been a
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: long time. In fact, it wasn't that long ago.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: He was kakado last year when Wonnie flew up and
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: he gave two and twenty million dollars, he came up
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: for it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: He might have done it by zoom.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he was, because I think that's
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: been visiting that everybody's been zooming in.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: But if I suppose, if you lower your expectations of
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: the prime ministery and they were disappointed.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: So I think he said a.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: New low bar as a time of visitation, just as
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: a prime minister in general. I don't think we've ever
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: had a lower bar set.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Ronnie said he was in five Filo in our Springs apparently.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know when though, when he flew in.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember the last time. It's been a while.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: But anyway, that's it for us this morning. We've run
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: out of time.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Short and sweet, he's run out of time in here
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And well, it's always good to catch up with you both, Dave, Tom.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Hat to be with you, Katie. Great to see the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: big man again.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Last week he was down on one of his many
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: boards that he's certain boards.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: The night before he was on a course you worked with.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: It was a gold course.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: It was a call from one of course I was
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: on a course the other day to.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Control you. Thank you so much for your time. You're
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: listening to Mix one O four point nine three sixty.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: That was the big issues