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UK Column News Podcast 30th October 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, thirtieth of October twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host. Mike Robinson joined me in the studio today.
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Speaker 1: Charles Mallett. Welcome's program.
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Speaker 2: Charles.
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Speaker 1: We got Fanessa Billy joining us from Damascus as usual
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Speaker 1: by video link. And I suppose we should say welcome
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Speaker 1: to budget day, and well, since the color is red
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Speaker 1: of blood red, in fact, the question is how much
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Speaker 1: or are we all going to be bleeding by the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, And so far it looks like
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Speaker 1: to the tune of forty billion pounds seems to be
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Speaker 1: the amount of money in terms of tax rises that
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Speaker 1: they're talking about now. Of course, the budget speech is
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Speaker 1: happening literally at this moment, so we can't tell you
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Speaker 1: exactly what's in it at this stage. But nonetheless, obviously
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Speaker 1: tax rises being one mostly apparently likely to be employer's
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Speaker 1: national insurance contributions, so you won't see it in your
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Speaker 1: pay slip, but your employer will certainly feel it in
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Speaker 1: their bank account, and perhaps that will result in some
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Speaker 1: job losses we have to wait to see. And also
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Speaker 1: inheritance tax as well. So let's see if we just
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Speaker 1: put that back on screen a second. In the run
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Speaker 1: up to this, then Rachel Reeves put out a really
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Speaker 1: great little video clip telling us all that, of course,
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Speaker 1: the last government had left this twenty billion pound black
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Speaker 1: hole in the public finances and this is just such
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Speaker 1: a lot of nonsense. Youent, government spending annually is one
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Speaker 1: two hundred billion and the government debt is currently two
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Speaker 1: seven hundred billion. Where does twenty billion What is the
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Speaker 1: significance of that? You know, if you've got twelve hundred
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Speaker 1: quid in your pocket and twenty quid falls out of it,
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Speaker 1: does it really make a huge amount of difference in
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Speaker 1: the greater scheme of things. I don't know. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: they're going to make up for that twenty billion by
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Speaker 1: raising taxes by forty billion, So that's good stuff. Just
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Speaker 1: remind everybody very briefly of the recent of for Budget
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Speaker 1: Responsibility report on how they saw things going. And as
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Speaker 1: you can see, government spending going through the roof is
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Speaker 1: the forecast for this regime and government revenue falling slightly.
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Speaker 1: Will come on to why that is in a second.
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Speaker 1: A lot of money to be spent on climate change
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Speaker 1: mitigation of course, with some of that money offset by
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Speaker 1: carbon tax revenues, so we'll see how that goes. But
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Speaker 1: this is the critical thing, isn't it, Because population age
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Speaker 1: structure in nineteen seventy four, twenty twenty four and twenty
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Speaker 1: seventy four on screen at the moment, and as we
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Speaker 1: can see an aging population, fewer and fewer people, fewer
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Speaker 1: children being born, fewer people of tax bearing age, let's say,
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Speaker 1: and more and more people of older age requiring tax
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Speaker 1: money to be spent on them in terms of social
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Speaker 1: care and so on. And of course we all know
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Speaker 1: where that ends up, particularly as we have the assisted
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Speaker 1: Dying Bill running through Parliament at the moment. But just
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Speaker 1: to put this in a little bit of context of
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Speaker 1: where we are as a country at the moment, I'll
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Speaker 1: bring back an updated version of my total outstanding debt
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Speaker 1: graphic that I haven't shown in quite a number of
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Speaker 1: years now. So government debt currently setting at two point
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Speaker 1: seven trillion pounds. We've got a significant tranche of banking
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Speaker 1: sector debt, we've got household debt just under two trillion.
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Speaker 1: We've got sorry, nuclear decommissioning two hundred and twelve billion.
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Speaker 1: But the key thing here is state pensions, because this
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Speaker 1: six point one trillion pounds is the current obligation on
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Speaker 1: state state pensioners for everybody that's an employment at the moment.
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Speaker 1: And of course we've just shown how the population is changing.
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Speaker 1: That number has gone up by a trillion in the
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Speaker 1: last few years and it's going to continue to rise,
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Speaker 1: which is going to put more and more pressure on
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Speaker 1: older people as we go on in the burden that
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Speaker 1: they are on state and which perhaps explains, as just said,
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Speaker 1: why this is the dying bill is coming through at
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Speaker 1: this time. So anyway, the point here is a huge
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Speaker 1: amount of outstanding debt in the country and four hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty percent of GDP or so at this point
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Speaker 1: in time. That really makes twenty billion pound black hole
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Speaker 1: look even more ridiculous and political sort of political posturing
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Speaker 1: more than anything else. But the other question is what
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Speaker 1: else is driving this requirement for more government spending. And
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Speaker 1: what we've been highlighting for many years the issue of
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Speaker 1: the amount of money going into so called defense. But
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Speaker 1: of course we're not on a war footing, so armed
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Speaker 1: forces not ready to fight a war amidst Defense Secretary.
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Speaker 1: This was a telegraph a few days ago, and this
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Speaker 1: is what he had to say. He said, the military
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Speaker 1: has been hollowed out underfunded by the Tories. Of course,
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Speaker 1: just remember, of course all the Tory spending on the
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Speaker 1: military was completely agreed to by the Labor Party while
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Speaker 1: they were in opposition. We have a unique party in
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Speaker 1: this country. So all is nonsense about blaming one side
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Speaker 1: or the other is just nonsense. This is Parliament as
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Speaker 1: a whole making these decisions. Then he said, the UK,
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Speaker 1: and keeping with many other nations, has essentially become very
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Speaker 1: skilled and ready to conduct military operations. By that he
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Speaker 1: means could conduct war. Just so we're clear, what we've
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Speaker 1: not been ready to do is fight. Unless we're ready
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Speaker 1: to fight, we're not in ship to de terror. Do
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Speaker 1: you agree with that?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is the same record that they've
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Speaker 2: been playing for the last couple of years in order
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Speaker 2: to justify enormous expenditure and putting more cash in the
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Speaker 2: pocket of the defense industry. So I mean it's neither
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Speaker 2: hit nor there. Whether whether it's true, it's certainly benefiting
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Speaker 2: those that are continuing to make money out of it.
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Speaker 1: So when we're considering this budget. As she finishes her
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Speaker 1: speech in about half an hour's time, and the upshot
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Speaker 1: of it all appears obvious to everybody. The question is
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Speaker 1: are we happy that this money is being raised in
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Speaker 1: this way to be spent on these things? As Charles
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Speaker 1: just said, this is all about pumping money into the
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Speaker 1: military industrial complex. Also, the other thing I should mention
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Speaker 1: in passing by the way, is they said, for example,
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Speaker 1: that compensation that's part of this tax money raised would
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Speaker 1: be for compensation for the infected blood scandal and for
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Speaker 1: the post office scandal. Completely agree with that in principle.
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Speaker 1: But my question is why are the people who were
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Speaker 1: directly responsible for the post office scandal and for the
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Speaker 1: infected blood scandal, Why are their assets not being stripped
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Speaker 1: first before we stuck the go cap in hand to
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Speaker 1: the taxpayer and require them to fund this compensation. It
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Speaker 1: seems to me any taxpayer funding should only come after
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Speaker 1: the people that were directly responsible for the problem in
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Speaker 1: the first place have had their personal assets removed. Is
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Speaker 1: am I being unfair?
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Speaker 2: I think you're not being unfair. And this is a
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Speaker 2: consistent theme of course across governments of colors that the
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Speaker 2: perpetrators are never effectively brought to justice, either buy the
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Speaker 2: judicial system or indeed financially.
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Speaker 1: So we'll just finish off this little segment with this
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Speaker 1: from More in Common one hundred days of Labor. And
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Speaker 1: I just thought this was quite funny because they in
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Speaker 1: their survey discovered that Starmar's approval has plummeted since the election.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it's now below that of Rishi Sunak already
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Speaker 1: and he's only been in the job for many days
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Speaker 1: three months. So it is perhaps a little bit of
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Speaker 1: entertainment on this dark day as as they tend to
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Speaker 1: empty our pockets and steal everything that we have been
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Speaker 1: attempting to build for the last lot of time.
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Speaker 2: So there we go. Indeed, more in common with wish
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Speaker 2: Soon than he thought.
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Speaker 1: But let's continue with budget related matters.
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Speaker 2: We will yeah, I mean obviously speculation to a certain extent,
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Speaker 2: but we're going to look at the agricultural and environmental sector.
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Speaker 2: So a tweet from the Treasury to indicate how it
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Speaker 2: all is and that they are going to deliver change.
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Speaker 2: And Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor busy on her text messaging
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Speaker 2: and tweeting this morning, saying that politics is about choices and
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Speaker 2: that the Labor government chooses investment over decline. Well, we
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Speaker 2: will see about that. She reinforces the message by saying
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Speaker 2: that she's investing in our future. She doesn't specify, of course,
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Speaker 2: who our future might refer to, but the Guardian believe
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Speaker 2: that they are ahead of the game and forecast that
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Speaker 2: DEFRA might have their budget restricted by in the region
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Speaker 2: of one hundred million pounds. Of course, the fallout from
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Speaker 2: that could be significant in a number of levels, but
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Speaker 2: particularly to do with environmental land management schemes, which we've
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Speaker 2: referred to a lot on UK column of course, over
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Speaker 2: the course of this year, and at a time when
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Speaker 2: we've reported again on the catastrophic failure of the harvest
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Speaker 2: of this year and indeed the uptake of the schemes
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Speaker 2: that have been put in front of farmers, with the
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Speaker 2: result that far less land than was being cultivated last
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Speaker 2: year is actually in cultivation. This has serious impact on
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Speaker 2: food security. What I want to do now is to
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Speaker 2: show you a video of the MP Harriet Cross asking
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Speaker 2: the Chancellor what the situation was with regard to agricultural
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Speaker 2: property relief, essentially inheritance tax on agricultural land.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, missus, speaker, but I'm not going to ask
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Speaker 3: the Chancellor to preempt tomorrow's budget although might actually have
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Speaker 3: some luck if I do based on current form. So instead,
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Speaker 3: can she confirm to me that she fully appreciates how
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Speaker 3: important agricultural property relief and business property relief are to
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Speaker 3: farmers and family business who do so much to grow
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Speaker 3: our local economies across the country.
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Speaker 4: John shuall, I recognize the importance of being able to
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Speaker 4: pass on to the next generation the assets you've built
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Speaker 4: up and will be sett to have more details on
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Speaker 4: all of our tax policies in the budget tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: That was helpful, indeed, so we wait and see which
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Speaker 2: direction that's going to go in. But nonetheless, inheritance tax
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Speaker 2: on agricultural property agricultural land would be an enormous change
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Speaker 2: to the system, and it does beg the question, of course,
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Speaker 2: the wider one, which is what business does the state
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Speaker 2: have taking tax from people in the event of their
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Speaker 2: death in the first place. But to put that in context,
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Speaker 2: we're going to have a look at something from the
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Speaker 2: National Audit Office. Of course, might's just been talking about
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Speaker 2: defense and Ukraine specifically, and we see here from a
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Speaker 2: recent report from the NEO that two point seven billion
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Speaker 2: is the estimated price tag on the cost of replacing
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Speaker 2: equipment that's been donated to Ukraine from British stockpiles, and
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Speaker 2: then a further two point four billion spent on procuring
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Speaker 2: equipment for Ukraine. So the loss of one hundred million
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Speaker 2: pounds to the agriculture budget is therefore again similarly a
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Speaker 2: relative drop in the ocean, and it seems mystifying at
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Speaker 2: a time when food security is inherently challenged that the
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Speaker 2: government can't find a way of supporting not just farmers
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Speaker 2: but of course the population of the United Kingdom. The
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Speaker 2: other thing to put out there is that fuel duty,
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Speaker 2: of course is another thing that's been talked about and
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Speaker 2: should that increase, that again would have a massive impact
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Speaker 2: on the rural economy, because of course the miles driven
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Speaker 2: by those in rural areas are much greater than those
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Speaker 2: in urban areas, so we won't see what happens on
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Speaker 2: that score. Now, to go from sublime to the ridiculous,
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Speaker 2: we look at Nuffield Farming and see that they have
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Speaker 2: put out what really matters, which is the ag Diversity
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Speaker 2: Online course positive growth towards a more inclusive sector, and
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Speaker 2: they state that creating equity and inclusion is crucial, but
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Speaker 2: they don't say to whom or to what they talk
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Speaker 2: about creating a more level playing field and inclusion, making
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Speaker 2: people feel like they belong. So this is a drive
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Speaker 2: to get more people or in effectively minority brackets into farming.
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Speaker 2: Whether or not they want it remains to be seen,
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Speaker 2: but they say there are plenty of inspiring BPOC. Now
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Speaker 2: BPOC is yet another acronym to have to remember black
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Speaker 2: and people of color who want to be or are
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Speaker 2: in the agricultural sector sector despite the barriers laid out
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Speaker 2: in front of them. Of course, they can't specify what
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Speaker 2: barriers those are because there is no evidence in the
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Speaker 2: first place to suggest that any do actually exist. Now,
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Speaker 2: to cap the irony on this one, we see that
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Speaker 2: the program is sponsored by McDonald's, so that's one to
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Speaker 2: be aware of and will watch for the continued push
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Speaker 2: towards what they're calling diversity, but is of course exactly
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Speaker 2: the opposite in that they're effectively suggesting that people who
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Speaker 2: might be in a minority could not possibly walk into
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Speaker 2: a situation where other people don't look like them. Now,
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Speaker 2: what they could have been concentrating on, note, was the
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Speaker 2: agricultural workforce as it actually is, and in particular the
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Speaker 2: demographics by age of course, thirty eight percent of farmers
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Speaker 2: in this country are for the age of sixty five.
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Speaker 2: That is something that could be addressed, but of course
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Speaker 2: isn't because it doesn't fit the agenda narrative. Now, looking
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Speaker 2: again towards the future, it's worth noting that just last
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Speaker 2: week there was an arrival of more than thirty thousand
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Speaker 2: new seeds into the Svalbard Global Seed Vault in Norway, Norway,
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Speaker 2: of course being country that has a very very strong
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Speaker 2: stance against gene editing, which course is something that the
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Speaker 2: United Kingdom has chosen to embrace. And I would just
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Speaker 2: like to point out that Bill Gates, who has of
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Speaker 2: course his finger in the pie of the seed Vault,
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Speaker 2: maybe on a collision course with them, and it will
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Speaker 2: be well certainly challenging to see how that will turn out.
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Speaker 2: He's here with his Gates notes talking about a thought
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Speaker 2: provoking look at the editing revolution, pushing somebody else's book
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Speaker 2: on the matter, Walter Isaacson writing The Codebreaker. So that's
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Speaker 2: one thing to consider. Another thing that DEFRA has been
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Speaker 2: forced to concede via double Speaker is that their thirty
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Speaker 2: x thirty plan is not going quite the way that
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Speaker 2: it should be. So I've highlighted the text that effectively
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Speaker 2: suggest that things aren't really happening. They require urgent and
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Speaker 2: significant action to drive nature's recovery, and it requires strategic
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Speaker 2: approach to address the scale of action needed to ensure
14:17
Speaker 2: a diverse and well connected network or thirty by thirty areas.
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Speaker 2: So we can see that the Nuffield money is not
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Speaker 2: going to be entirely wasted, or is it? But this
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Speaker 2: coincides with the inconvenient resurgence via social media of a
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Speaker 2: report written by NASA back in twenty sixteen suggesting that
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Speaker 2: carbon dioxide fertilization is greening the earth. And this was
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Speaker 2: something I alluded to whilst talking about carbon capture a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, which is that why would we
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Speaker 2: be so arrogant to assume that just because cobbon dioxide
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Speaker 2: levels in the atmosphere might be going up, that nature
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Speaker 2: might not find a use for them. And NASA, of
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Speaker 2: course seem to confirm that some years ago. So we'll
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Speaker 2: wait and see how that's suggested as it continues to
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Speaker 2: do the runs on social media. But nonetheless, the food
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Speaker 2: security and budget question is the thing that we will
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Speaker 2: be looking at as it comes out further later today.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Charles Vanessa. Let me welcome you to the program.
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Speaker 1: Bring us up to date with what's going on in
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Speaker 1: the Middle East.
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Speaker 5: Well interesting as we're discussing budget and apparently according to
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Speaker 5: the Telegraph that picked up the story that I mentioned
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Speaker 5: last week about CIA, British mercenaries potentially policing gated communities,
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Speaker 5: which is effectively concentration camps within a concentration camp in Gaza.
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Speaker 5: I wonder how if they are to be used, how
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Speaker 5: they are also going to be funded.
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Speaker 6: So this is from the Telegraph.
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Speaker 5: Former British Special Forces soldiers could soon be dispatched to
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Speaker 5: help build hamas free gated communities in Gaza. We've been
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Speaker 5: covering this story pretty much since October last year because
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Speaker 5: there have been intermittent.
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Speaker 6: Reports on the subject.
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Speaker 5: The propos proposal involves Israel engaging private military contractors to
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Speaker 5: create safe zones for the delivery of aid and assist
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Speaker 5: with reconstruction of the war torn enclave.
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Speaker 6: No comment on the war.
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Speaker 5: Torn According to several Israeli news outlets, Mordecai Motif Kahana,
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Speaker 5: an Israeli American businessman who runs global delivery company, is
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Speaker 5: poised to win a two hundred million dollar contract. If
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Speaker 5: the dealer science Karhana says GDC in tends to divide
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Speaker 5: the strip into a series of Hummasfrie bubbles or gated
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Speaker 5: communities for Palestinians, which of course means extra surveillance smart
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Speaker 5: city type environments. Movements between the bubbles would be controlled
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Speaker 5: by GDC and a UK private security contractor with access
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Speaker 5: to former British special forces, he adds, and he goes
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Speaker 5: on to say, these are British special Forces. They know
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Speaker 5: what they're doing. There are people who have fought terrorism
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Speaker 5: all their lives. If something happens, we will convey the
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Speaker 5: message to the residents of Gaza, you don't want to
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Speaker 5: mess with us.
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Speaker 6: They will understand that.
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Speaker 5: A new sheriff has arrived in the city, he goes on,
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Speaker 5: or rather the article goes on in the Telegraph, which
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Speaker 5: of course has direct connections to six or certainly is
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Speaker 5: always channeling their messaging. Kahano, who started his career in
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Speaker 5: New York as a taxi driver, said he would not
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Speaker 5: name the British security firm. However, GDC is known to
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Speaker 5: have worked previously with Constellas, the US company that took
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Speaker 5: control of Blackwater the mercenary company that operated in Iraq
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Speaker 5: and was responsible for the civilian massacre in Iran. Constellas
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Speaker 5: is listed as an official partner on GDC's website. Constellas
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Speaker 5: have worked with GDC in Ukraine. Constellis also owns the Olive,
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Speaker 5: one of Britain's biggest military grade private security firms. GDC
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Speaker 5: and it's tractor have had extensive discussions with the Israeli government,
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Speaker 5: including the Ministry of Defense, the Israeli Defense Forces, and
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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister's Office on the modalities for this initiative,
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Speaker 5: but also with the US State Department that formerly enough
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Speaker 5: the Telegraph doesn't mention.
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Speaker 6: And then looks like this here, I want to really
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Speaker 6: demonstrate to what degree.
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Speaker 5: Legacy media and particularly British media offer skates.
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Speaker 6: Information from the public.
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Speaker 5: So when you go to GDC, who are their partners,
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Speaker 5: agc AJAC, which is the American Jewish Committee, constellars IAC,
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Speaker 5: the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, and then of course
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Speaker 5: the Jewish Agency for Israel. All of these are effectively
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Speaker 5: Zionist lobby front companies. The team Marty Kahana, founder and
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Speaker 5: CEOs I mentioned from Chicago, but has obvious dual nationality.
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Speaker 5: Then let's have a look at the GDC website what
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Speaker 5: they claim to have done in Syria saving historic artifacts
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Speaker 5: and Damascus. Now this is interesting because actually the terrorist actions,
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Speaker 5: including of course al Qaeda under its various nomenclatures, occupied Jobi,
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Speaker 5: which was originally a Jewish area in Damascus, install the artifacts,
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Speaker 5: which then oddly ended up in Israel, rescuing the last
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Speaker 5: shoes of Aleppo, Syria.
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Speaker 6: Kind of no comment on that.
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Speaker 5: And also he did effectively traffic children from Syria to
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Speaker 5: Israel for what he termed as education inside Israel. Also
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Speaker 5: involved in Ukraine, so Israeli rescue experts sounds very akin
19:49
Speaker 5: to the white helmet kind of propaganda. Here builds vital
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Speaker 5: Ukraine supplies bridge. So what does this actually mean. It
19:56
Speaker 5: means they set up base in Romania from where actually
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Speaker 5: many of the intelligence operations that are NATO linked are
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Speaker 5: being run from in order to infiltrate Ukraine. Israeli rescue
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Speaker 5: contractor renowned for his operations in saving refugees aka children
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Speaker 5: in Syria and Afghanistan, has launched a humanitarian bridge service.
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Speaker 6: So he claims that he's.
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Speaker 5: Bringing essential humanitarian supplies into Ukraine from Romania. That needs
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Speaker 5: further investigation in my opinion, and then I want to
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Speaker 5: have a quick look at the people that are actually
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Speaker 5: working at GDC. So this is the counter Terrorism security Advisor.
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Speaker 5: Oded Island served in the Mossad for over twenty four years,
20:49
Speaker 5: beginning as a field operational agent working undercover across the globe.
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Speaker 5: He went on to serve for six years as a
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Speaker 5: director of Mossad's counter Terrorism Center, eventually becoming direct Deputy
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Speaker 5: Director sorry of all Mossad operations. Following his retirement from Mossad,
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Speaker 5: Odad founded a consulting and management company in the field
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Speaker 5: of homeland security, advising governments and institutions worldwide. He's a
21:14
Speaker 5: writer for Israel's most read newspaper and a commentator, et cetera,
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Speaker 5: et cetera. So we have already a fairly high level
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Speaker 5: Mossad and probably eight two hundred player here. Then we
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Speaker 5: go to doron Avadal board member. He has a celebrated
21:32
Speaker 5: military career, from the time he commanded leading paratroopers company
21:35
Speaker 5: in the early eighties to the planning and commanding of
21:37
Speaker 5: numerous complex special operations in the Elite Israeli Elite Special
21:43
Speaker 5: Forces Unit. Sayaret maktal Aka the unit. During his service,
21:49
Speaker 5: Avadal received numerous IDF Military and Special Operations awards.
21:54
Speaker 6: He's now a member of the Kanesse then board member.
21:57
Speaker 6: Yossi Kuper of Vasa is an Israeli intelligence and security expert,
22:03
Speaker 6: head of the Research Division.
22:05
Speaker 5: In the Israel Defense Force Military Intelligence Division and Director
22:09
Speaker 5: General of the israel Ministry of Strategic Affairs. Currently Senior
22:14
Speaker 5: project manager at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, specializing
22:18
Speaker 5: in the security dimensions of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. And
22:23
Speaker 5: then finally, David sur had a thirty one year career
22:28
Speaker 5: in the IDF. His final position in the military was
22:30
Speaker 5: Chief Intelligence Officer, the number two person in the military
22:34
Speaker 5: intelligence director often referred to as Iman, which is connected
22:37
Speaker 5: to eight two hundred, where he served under moche Yalon.
22:42
Speaker 5: From ninety five until ninety eight, he was commander of
22:45
Speaker 5: the Liaison Unit for Foreign Forces and was responsible for
22:48
Speaker 5: IDF relations with Jordanian and Egyptian armed forces. Interesting collection
22:55
Speaker 5: of board members and advisors. Then we have active advisor
22:59
Speaker 5: justin sapp so here on the website. They don't go
23:02
Speaker 5: very much away. He's a retired Greenberry colonel with nearly
23:06
Speaker 5: thirty years of active duty experience, where he served at
23:08
Speaker 5: various echelons within the military and interagency. But then let's
23:12
Speaker 5: have a look at Justin Sap on another website. He
23:16
Speaker 5: was a Special Forces captain detailed to the CIA. Shortly
23:19
Speaker 5: after the nine to eleven attacks. He infiltrated northern Afghanistan
23:24
Speaker 5: with CIA's Team Alpha and was the first soldier to
23:27
Speaker 5: go behind Taliban lines in two thousand and one.
23:31
Speaker 6: And so it goes on.
23:33
Speaker 5: He's made numerous deployments to Afghanistan and the Middle East,
23:36
Speaker 5: where he served at various levels of command and staff
23:40
Speaker 5: within Special Forces. Colonel Sap retired from the US Army
23:43
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four after nearly thirty years of active
23:47
Speaker 5: duty service. His final role was as the military Chief
23:50
Speaker 5: of Staff at the US Mission to the United Nations.
23:54
Speaker 5: He is now a consultant at Constellas. So we come
23:57
Speaker 5: kind of full circle back to the constant connection. And then, Mike, finally,
24:03
Speaker 5: I will be forever grateful for you creating this infographic
24:07
Speaker 5: because it shows so clearly people that have followed our
24:10
Speaker 5: work at UK Column, particularly in Syria, will know about
24:13
Speaker 5: the White Helmets established by the UK Foreign Office MI
24:18
Speaker 5: six CIA, funded by multiple members of the regime change
24:22
Speaker 5: cartel that effectively waged a proxy terrorist war against the
24:27
Speaker 5: Syrian government and people since twenty eleven. And the White
24:31
Speaker 5: Helmets were founded not in Syria but in Turkey in
24:34
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen by James Lemeasurer, who you will see in
24:37
Speaker 5: the photo in the center, former British military intelligence who
24:43
Speaker 5: as part of his career worked for the Olive Group,
24:45
Speaker 5: which we heard is a private military contractor British that
24:51
Speaker 5: were then merged into Constellas. But Constellis also contains within
24:56
Speaker 5: an academy which was formerly Blackwater.
24:59
Speaker 6: So we keep.
25:01
Speaker 5: Seeing this connection of these kind of shadowy security service
25:08
Speaker 5: operations that are infiltrating countries to be targeted for regime
25:13
Speaker 5: change or destabilization or economic hybrid war projects.
25:18
Speaker 6: So interesting times.
25:21
Speaker 5: But yes, where's the money coming from for yet another
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Speaker 5: British military project.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to come from the lidist grab from
25:31
Speaker 1: this British regime on the British taxpayer. And we've got
25:35
Speaker 1: to be much more active about asking questions about where
25:38
Speaker 1: that money is going in my opinion, and maybe we
25:41
Speaker 1: need to be following Chris cover Deal's lead and you know,
25:47
Speaker 1: stopping funding this regime.
25:50
Speaker 5: And the other thing, Mike, sorry, just one other thing.
25:53
Speaker 5: Of course, it's now doubly difficult to actually track if
25:58
Speaker 5: the UK Foreign Office is funded in these organizations because
26:01
Speaker 5: why they've removed their funding spreadsheets since you investigated them,
26:08
Speaker 5: or since you made the website to look into the figures.
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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, so they haven't published. They normally publish sort
26:16
Speaker 1: of on a quarterly basis, all foreign and come Wealth
26:20
Speaker 1: Foreign Come Wealth Development Office spending over twenty five th
26:24
Speaker 1: pounds in spreadsheet form. So we decided we would take
26:27
Speaker 1: those spreadsheets and make that data a bit more accessible
26:30
Speaker 1: for people by creating a website. If you want to
26:32
Speaker 1: go and have a look at that, have a look
26:33
Speaker 1: at fcdospending dot uk column dot org and you'll see
26:37
Speaker 1: that we don't have any data since I think September
26:39
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and my efforts to obtain this information
26:46
Speaker 1: through through information have been rebuffed, shall we say. And
26:50
Speaker 1: then there's another another of the current Information Commissioner investigations
26:56
Speaker 1: that's going on, so the Information Commissioner is now directly
26:59
Speaker 1: involved in trying to obtain this data for us. But
27:02
Speaker 1: pretty much since the beginning of the Ukraine War, that
27:07
Speaker 1: information is no longer publicly available, so we'll keep you
27:11
Speaker 1: posted on it. But sticking with Israel for a second,
27:14
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your thoughts on this, Vanessa.
27:16
Speaker 1: Let's just mention the announcement a couple of days ago
27:21
Speaker 1: from South Africa that they've delivered evidence of Israel genocide
27:25
Speaker 1: to the International Court of Justice. So this says the
27:28
Speaker 1: South Africa has filed its memorial to the inst the
27:31
Speaker 1: International Court of Justice today twentieth of October twenty twenty four,
27:36
Speaker 1: in its case on the application of the Convention of
27:38
Speaker 1: the on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
27:41
Speaker 1: Genocide in the Gaza Strip. In accordance with the rules
27:44
Speaker 1: of the Court, the memorial may not be made public.
27:49
Speaker 1: This filing of this memorial takes place at the time
27:51
Speaker 1: when Israel is intensifying the killing of civilians in Gaza
27:54
Speaker 1: and now seems intent to follow a similar path of
27:57
Speaker 1: destruction in Lebanon. And the timing of this is very
28:03
Speaker 1: interesting because we have had a comment in the Host
28:07
Speaker 1: of Commons from the Lovely David Lammy on the question
28:12
Speaker 1: of whether the term genocide should be applied in the
28:16
Speaker 1: case of Israel.
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Speaker 7: The will the Foreign Secretary take this opportunity to say
28:22
Speaker 7: that there is not a genocide occurring in the Middle East.
28:25
Speaker 6: Foreign Secretary work their objective.
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Speaker 4: These are quite properly legal terms that must be determined
28:36
Speaker 4: by international courts. But I do agree with the honorable gentlemen.
28:43
Speaker 4: Those terms were largely used when millions of people lost
28:48
Speaker 4: their lives in crisis like Rwanda, the Second World War,
28:54
Speaker 4: in the Holocaust, and the way that they are used
28:59
Speaker 4: now undermines the seriousness of that term.
29:08
Speaker 1: No, I personally find that comment really pretty sick. Vanessa
29:12
Speaker 1: Better wanted to get your thoughts.
29:15
Speaker 5: It's absolutely abhorrent that this man is dismissing the hundreds
29:22
Speaker 5: of thousands that have been massacred, and now that massacre
29:27
Speaker 5: is continuing in Lovanon as not being a genocide. You
29:31
Speaker 5: know that ICJ has effectively ruled that it's a plausible genocide.
29:36
Speaker 6: It's extraordinary. I just find.
29:38
Speaker 5: Him repellent, really.
29:43
Speaker 6: Repugnant, repellent. Every word that I can possibly think of
29:47
Speaker 6: is vile.
29:49
Speaker 2: Yes, Charles Well, I applaud his consistency. He has absolutely
29:54
Speaker 2: no idea what he's talking about.
29:56
Speaker 1: Well indeed absolutely is consistently well. Many people would perhaps
30:01
Speaker 1: consider him consistently an idiot. But we'll talk about this
30:05
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31:22
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31:25
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31:29
Speaker 2: Tomorrow an interview with the young man named Montgomery. Tom's
31:32
Speaker 2: who was just fourteen years old when the first of
31:36
Speaker 2: the many lockdowns began, and we start with his perspective
31:40
Speaker 2: on that, but also the journey he's been on since
31:43
Speaker 2: and the activism he's now engaged with. And there's a
31:45
Speaker 2: short clip of him speaking with me.
31:49
Speaker 7: And I was in a bubble and I'm not using
31:54
Speaker 7: that term as in you know, COVID bubbles, but I
31:56
Speaker 7: was in a school bubble of of utter contemptible, ridiculous,
32:05
Speaker 7: backwards thinking hysteria and because of that, you know, just
32:10
Speaker 7: for a more detail. Something I touch on a lot
32:13
Speaker 7: on is like mass surveillance. And people always they say like, oh, well,
32:16
Speaker 7: there's nothing wrong with cameras being across London, because if
32:20
Speaker 7: you've not done anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide.
32:23
Speaker 7: And I say no, But what you've got to be
32:24
Speaker 7: concerned about is what that can that sort of infrastructure
32:28
Speaker 7: and surveillance, what that surveillance system, how that can be
32:30
Speaker 7: used negatively? And I always take people back to me
32:34
Speaker 7: being within school, because ultimately that's a perfect example. They
32:37
Speaker 7: use the CCTV cameras that they had across school to
32:40
Speaker 7: track the students.
32:42
Speaker 2: And so he's really got his finger on the button.
32:46
Speaker 2: And I would encourage you not just to watch that,
32:48
Speaker 2: but also to share it very widely because he is
32:52
Speaker 2: not exactly a lone voice, but an important one in
32:54
Speaker 2: his generation.
32:55
Speaker 1: Okay, look forward to that one pm tomorrow in the
32:58
Speaker 1: usual places.
32:59
Speaker 2: Do watch. Hi.
33:00
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to do this to you, but we have
33:02
Speaker 1: to bring David Lami back because he is very concerned
33:06
Speaker 1: at the moment. A bud Russian disinformation.
33:10
Speaker 4: The Kremlins disinformation, is a desperate attempt to undermine our democracy.
33:15
Speaker 4: Putin and his mafia state are trying to poison the
33:18
Speaker 4: world with disinformation, division and disorder in the UK and
33:23
Speaker 4: throughout the world. He's failing, and I'm determined that he
33:26
Speaker 4: will continue to fail, and I'm taking action to ensure
33:29
Speaker 4: that he does. I'm directly exposing the Kremlin's mouthpieces and
33:34
Speaker 4: sanctioning those who clumsily try to spread Putin's lies across
33:38
Speaker 4: the world. They have spewed their bile on Putin's orders
33:43
Speaker 4: in a desperate attempt to undermine support for Ukraine, from
33:47
Speaker 4: trying to create deep fakes to inciting failed protests across Europe.
33:52
Speaker 4: But their efforts will keep failing. The UK, united with
33:56
Speaker 4: our international allies, has stood with Ukraine for two years.
34:00
Speaker 4: We stand with them still. It is my personal mission
34:03
Speaker 4: to constrain the Kremlin and apply relentless pressure against all
34:07
Speaker 4: elements of Russian ma Lion activity. Last week it was
34:11
Speaker 4: the ilicted Shadow Fleet previously using barbaric chemical weapons in
34:15
Speaker 4: Ukraine and malicious Russia cybergangs like. By shining a light
34:20
Speaker 4: on Peaton's murky activities and punishing his puppets, we will
34:24
Speaker 4: constrain the Kremlin.
34:31
Speaker 1: So, in my opinion, the only person sputing bile is
34:34
Speaker 1: David Lammay here. But anyway, just by coincidence, the United
34:39
Speaker 1: States has pushed this side. Well, this is actually a
34:43
Speaker 1: couple few weeks ago, but Justice Department accuses Russia of
34:46
Speaker 1: interfering with twenty twenty four elections. So Lammy is announced
34:49
Speaker 1: as a result of that little video that the British
34:52
Speaker 1: government has sanctioned three Russian agencies, including one called the
34:55
Speaker 1: Social Design Agency, which is the focus of this particular
34:59
Speaker 1: article claiming Russian interference in the twenty twenty four elections
35:03
Speaker 1: as well. So if you remember back to twenty seventeen
35:05
Speaker 1: when Theresa May announced her rapid response mechanism, whereby everybody
35:10
Speaker 1: in the Western world would agree on a common narrative,
35:13
Speaker 1: where we start to see the common narrative operating both
35:17
Speaker 1: sides of the Atlantic, while where the governments focus on
35:20
Speaker 1: the same organizations at roughly the same time and impose
35:23
Speaker 1: the same types of sanctions on them and so on.
35:26
Speaker 1: But I just want to remind everybody where this whole
35:29
Speaker 1: idea of Russian disinformation came from, because of course it
35:33
Speaker 1: started with the Integrity Initiative and Chris Donnelly headed that
35:39
Speaker 1: up and just look at the text on here. The
35:41
Speaker 1: Integrity Initiative was set up in autumn twenty fifteen by
35:43
Speaker 1: the Institute of State Craft in cooperation with three University
35:46
Speaker 1: of Brussels to bring to the attention of politicians, policymakers
35:51
Speaker 1: and opinion leaders. And when they say opinion leaders they
35:53
Speaker 1: mean mainstream media, journalists and other interested parties, the threat
35:57
Speaker 1: posed by Russia to democrat againsts in the United Kingdom,
36:01
Speaker 1: across Europe and North America. And I think about that.
36:04
Speaker 1: What they're saying there is that journalists did not discover
36:08
Speaker 1: Russian disinformation start highlighting it in the media, which then
36:12
Speaker 1: came to the attention of politicians. No, actually, here is
36:15
Speaker 1: a non governmental organization and we'll see who funded them.
36:19
Speaker 1: In the second, here's a non government mental organization bringing
36:23
Speaker 1: to the attention the propaganda which justifies this narrative of
36:28
Speaker 1: a threat posed by Russia and Russian disinformation and who
36:32
Speaker 1: funded this. This man funded it, Andy Price, who at
36:35
Speaker 1: the time was head of Counter Disinformation at Media Development
36:39
Speaker 1: within the Foreign Call, Wealth and Development Office. So what
36:42
Speaker 1: we have here is the British deep state, because this
36:45
Speaker 1: is an intelligence asset. Here, the British deep state funding
36:48
Speaker 1: an NGO, and that NGO is then pumping disinformation into
36:52
Speaker 1: the politician's minds, into the mainstream media minds, using mainstream
36:56
Speaker 1: journalists to do it in order to push this idea
36:59
Speaker 1: of Ussian disinformation. So just to speak about this kind
37:05
Speaker 1: of disinformation team, it was all saying, disinformation is a
37:09
Speaker 1: deliberate creation and dissemination of falseand or manipulative information that's
37:13
Speaker 1: intended to deceive mislead audiences. And of course they were
37:17
Speaker 1: claiming that their focus was in other countries, but as
37:22
Speaker 1: a result of, or required because of the sustained Russian
37:26
Speaker 1: disinformation campaign following the attack in Salisbury. And now we'll
37:29
Speaker 1: be talking about the attack in Salisbury later on when
37:32
Speaker 1: we come back onto the Dawn Sturgis inquiry. But you know,
37:35
Speaker 1: this was the narrative back in twenty nineteen and one
37:40
Speaker 1: hundred million pounds being spent over five years to kind
37:43
Speaker 1: of disinformation in the Eastern neighborhood, but there was no
37:45
Speaker 1: announcement on how much money was being spent to counter
37:48
Speaker 1: disinformation in the UK or to bring that kind of
37:52
Speaker 1: disinformation narrative into the UK. And I just want to
37:55
Speaker 1: also remind everybody, of course, what Britain's information activities are abroad,
38:02
Speaker 1: particularly BBC Media Action. We've talked about this many times,
38:05
Speaker 1: but we've got to keep reminding everybody that this is
38:08
Speaker 1: all about training journalists in other countries to put forward
38:11
Speaker 1: a pro Western narrative and deal with reformers in other
38:16
Speaker 1: countries and so on. And if we look at BBC
38:18
Speaker 1: Media Action and what they're involved in. They're involved in
38:22
Speaker 1: sorting out Ukrainian media and so on through the Managed Fund,
38:28
Speaker 1: through the Good Governance Fund Ukraine, Georgia, Moldovs, Serbia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Armenia,
38:35
Speaker 1: North Macedonia. They're everywhere pushing Western narratives with large amounts
38:40
Speaker 1: of money. This is all taxpayers money, all being funded
38:43
Speaker 1: through the Foreign Come, Wealth and Development Office, the Conflet
38:46
Speaker 1: Stability and Security Fund in particular. And of course we
38:50
Speaker 1: should not forget the other British individuals who then pushing
38:55
Speaker 1: anti Russian narratives and so on, David not appearing ukrin's
39:01
Speaker 1: field of information also in Syria, and of course he
39:05
Speaker 1: was behind the idea of Syrian sniper's shooting pregnant women
39:09
Speaker 1: in the stomach to win cigarettes. I'm quite certain that
39:13
Speaker 1: Vanessa wild Moore to say about that an extra and
39:15
Speaker 1: just to end this segment, just to let everybody know,
39:20
Speaker 1: because Vanessa was talking about the White Helmets earlier, that
39:23
Speaker 1: this is the ten year anniversary of their humanitarian and
39:26
Speaker 1: Verticomma's efforts in Syria. So the donor group has made
39:31
Speaker 1: a statement on that money and we'll be talking a
39:33
Speaker 1: bit more about that and extra as well.
39:37
Speaker 2: Ran Now we move on to restrictions of liberty, again
39:41
Speaker 2: actually concerned with the mainstream media, but specifically in this
39:44
Speaker 2: case the restriction of perhaps the rights to freedom of expression,
39:49
Speaker 2: freedom of assembly, and freedom of movement. And this is
39:52
Speaker 2: by the weaponization of what are referred to as human
39:56
Speaker 2: rights and also the manipulation of legislation. Now tomorrow, the
39:59
Speaker 2: third first of October, what are called safe access buffer
40:03
Speaker 2: zones will come into force around abortion clinics. And this
40:06
Speaker 2: is something that came out of the Public Order Acts
40:09
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, an extension in a way of the
40:12
Speaker 2: Public Spaces Protection Orders brought about by the Police, Crime,
40:16
Speaker 2: Courts and Sentencing Act of twenty twenty two. But they
40:19
Speaker 2: say that it will make it illegal for anyone to
40:22
Speaker 2: do anything that intentionally or recklessly influences someone else's decision
40:27
Speaker 2: to use abortion services, to obstruct, cause her, harassment or
40:31
Speaker 2: distress to someone using or working at these premises, and
40:36
Speaker 2: they go further to say that anyone found guilty of
40:38
Speaker 2: breaking the law will face an unlimited fine. Now, really
40:41
Speaker 2: what they're talking about here is the very contentious issue
40:44
Speaker 2: of silent praying, and this follows the recent conviction and
40:48
Speaker 2: order to pay nine thousand pounds of Adam Smith Connor
40:52
Speaker 2: from well in Bournemouth, who was accused of and admitted
40:56
Speaker 2: to praying silently in his head outside an abortion clinic. Now,
41:01
Speaker 2: of course, had he been standing there thinking about a
41:04
Speaker 2: football match, for example, he would not have been prosecuted.
41:08
Speaker 2: And yet there is no material difference to the onlooker
41:11
Speaker 2: or to the person connected in any way with the
41:14
Speaker 2: services being provided in the abortion clinic. So the word
41:17
Speaker 2: Orwellian is the one to be used in this situation.
41:21
Speaker 2: Now following this a reasoned article by Prime Minister from
41:25
Speaker 2: This Monday, who wins an Irony Award for his title. Here,
41:30
Speaker 2: journalism is the lifeblood of British democracy. My government will
41:34
Speaker 2: protect it. And he talks about his campaign towards general
41:37
Speaker 2: election and says that he was robustly held to account
41:40
Speaker 2: by determined, incisive and irrepressible members of the Fourth State,
41:44
Speaker 2: or at least those that had access to him, which
41:46
Speaker 2: of course are the main stream. And he said that
41:49
Speaker 2: neither he nor the leader of the opposition turned our
41:51
Speaker 2: partisan supporters against the media. Well he didn't really have to,
41:55
Speaker 2: because that was being done via other means. He said
41:57
Speaker 2: that this is a government that will always champion press
42:00
Speaker 2: freedoms and they believe in being held to account. He
42:02
Speaker 2: goes on to say that there can be nothing more
42:04
Speaker 2: traditional Democratic or British than a robust, free press fearlessly
42:08
Speaker 2: holding the powerful two account. Well, some people that might
42:10
Speaker 2: disagree our Kit Clarenberg, Craig Murray, Richard Medhurst, Sarah Wilkinson
42:15
Speaker 2: and USA Winstanley all detained under various parts of the
42:19
Speaker 2: terrorism legislation, mostly from the Terrorism Act two thousand. Yet
42:24
Speaker 2: kirs Darmer goes on to say that we stand with
42:26
Speaker 2: journalists who endure threats merely for doing their jobs. Just
42:30
Speaker 2: because journalists are brave does not mean they should ever
42:33
Speaker 2: suffer intimidation. And then he mentions the Online Safety Act,
42:37
Speaker 2: saying that it'll introduce new protections from abuse as well
42:40
Speaker 2: as respecting recognized news publisher content. And this is where
42:44
Speaker 2: the UK column comes into play, because if you missed
42:49
Speaker 2: the discussion that we had last Thursday, the twenty fourth
42:51
Speaker 2: of October, I would encourage you to go to the
42:53
Speaker 2: website to view it. Mike and Brian and I spoke
42:57
Speaker 2: to Wilseie of Resistance GB in order to effectively launch
43:01
Speaker 2: a campaign in so far as we will be able
43:04
Speaker 2: to exploit the provisions of the Online Safety Act and
43:08
Speaker 2: fight against censorship. So if you are a provider of
43:12
Speaker 2: alternative content and run an independent media service, and you
43:16
Speaker 2: fulfill the criteria as set out in the Online Safety
43:20
Speaker 2: Act at section fifty six I think it is, then
43:23
Speaker 2: please get in touch at Online Safety at UK column
43:26
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43:28
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Charles. Now, Vanessa, let's welcome you
43:31
Speaker 1: back and bring us up to did with Well, sorry,
43:37
Speaker 1: does Zionism have a dilemma?
43:40
Speaker 5: I'm not absolutely sure, but there are very mixed messages
43:44
Speaker 5: coming out from various people within the ruling elite of
43:50
Speaker 5: the so called state of Israel. And you know as
43:53
Speaker 5: well is expanding it's aggression, it is expanding its slaughter
43:57
Speaker 5: of civilians into Lebanon. Of people today had to evacuate
44:02
Speaker 5: Baalbec and the Becca regions because they're under threat of
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Speaker 5: carpet bombing as they have been doing across the South.
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Speaker 6: But across Lebanon basically, not only in the South.
44:12
Speaker 5: So, first of all, this is uf Gallant, the current
44:16
Speaker 5: slightly under siege defense minister commenting on particularly on the
44:23
Speaker 5: military operations in Garziat.
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Speaker 6: Le Beta.
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Speaker 5: So basically admitting that there are far more casualties than
44:55
Speaker 5: are being reported, which is something we've known for a
44:58
Speaker 5: long time.
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Speaker 6: But then all so the opposition.
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Speaker 5: Representative here Lap says something very similar.
45:09
Speaker 8: October and as she made to and If charl the
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Speaker 8: local if Charla Charlotte the key look motion, I had
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Speaker 8: some left to him and and tunes up to him.
45:35
Speaker 8: The gim yes, totalternative and Sally Tel Sally.
45:47
Speaker 5: That the interview, and they're getting a little bit disturbed
45:53
Speaker 5: because of course they are basically instructed as to what
45:57
Speaker 5: casualty figures they can give out. But then we have
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Speaker 5: Natanyahu doubling down, promises to bring home all the hostages
46:03
Speaker 5: and to achieve the war aims he laid out at
46:06
Speaker 5: the beginning of the war. Total victory is an orderly
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Speaker 5: and consistent work plan that we will fulfill, fulfill.
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Speaker 6: Step by step.
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Speaker 5: Israel, he says, as the one obstacle keeping Iran from
46:17
Speaker 5: controlling the Middle East and threatening the rest of the world.
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Speaker 5: The fanatical axis of evil led by Iran threatens to
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Speaker 5: destroy our country and trap other countries in its net,
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Speaker 5: and to threaten the worst. First of all, Iran is
46:30
Speaker 5: working for a stockpile of nuclear bombs, even though Israel
46:33
Speaker 5: has a stockpile of secret stockpile of nuclear bonds and
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Speaker 5: will be able to threaten the entire world wherever it wants.
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Speaker 6: According to Iran's thinking.
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Speaker 5: He argues, if Israel falls, the entire Middle East will
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Speaker 5: fall into its hands, but we will not fall, We
46:48
Speaker 5: will win, and the whole world will be a better place.
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Speaker 6: Well, he's originally from Poland. I'm sure that's a minor detail.
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Speaker 5: Gideon Sara, who's the Netaya, who's preferred replacement for you
46:59
Speaker 5: go because he's far more expansionist minded, is now sending
47:06
Speaker 5: out threatening messages to Syria. The message that Israel should
47:09
Speaker 5: convey to the Asad regime in Syria. Israel must make
47:13
Speaker 5: it clear to us Sad that if Syria continues to
47:15
Speaker 5: be a path to supplying your arms military to Hesbalah
47:19
Speaker 5: and allowing aggression from its territory, it puts its regime
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Speaker 5: in jeopardy. His full speech at the Middle East Right
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Speaker 5: conference initiated by member and I've done a better translation
47:31
Speaker 5: of some of the things that were said, and this
47:33
Speaker 5: is taken from a report at al Aha. Gideon Sarah,
47:37
Speaker 5: head of the National Right Party, who recently joined Bunjamin
47:41
Speaker 5: Natanyahu's government and is considered a candidate for the Ministry
47:44
Speaker 5: of Defense.
47:45
Speaker 6: Stated that Israel must make it.
47:47
Speaker 5: Clear to Syrian President bashaal a Sad that if Syria
47:50
Speaker 5: continues to serve as a corridor for Iranian arms to
47:53
Speaker 5: Hesbula and allows aggression from its territory, his regime will
47:57
Speaker 5: be at risk. Speaking at what Israel named the Middle
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Speaker 5: East Conference or it's actually the New Middle East Conference,
48:04
Speaker 5: Sarah emphasized Israel should place a SAD regime in a
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Speaker 5: precarious position and under no circumstances allow Syria to facilitate
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Speaker 5: armed supply routes, and then it goes on with the threat.
48:16
Speaker 5: Reaffirming the Sar stress that Tel Aviv will not tolerate
48:20
Speaker 5: his follows re arming through Syria or permit a new
48:24
Speaker 5: front open against it from Syrian territory. He warned that
48:28
Speaker 5: Asad should fully understand that if he threatens Israel's security
48:32
Speaker 5: through these actions, he endangers his own regime. Reminding the
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Speaker 5: audience of past missed opportunities, the right wing minister remarked,
48:40
Speaker 5: Israel lost the chance to remove a Sad during.
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Speaker 6: Syria Civil war.
48:44
Speaker 5: That's a fairly big admission there an opportunity Iran and
48:47
Speaker 5: Hezbola sis now a SAD must make.
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Speaker 6: A critical choice.
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Speaker 5: Sara concluded by asserting that detaching a SAD from the
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Speaker 5: Iranian access would have profound implications for Israel's security. Is
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Speaker 5: there or sorry basically admitting Israel's role in the regime
49:05
Speaker 5: change war and the funding of al Qaeda and ISIS
49:08
Speaker 5: and the other terrorist groups and the arming of them.
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Speaker 5: But this is interesting, It's a really bad translation from
49:15
Speaker 5: the Hebrew article. We have a history of or Israel
49:20
Speaker 5: has a history of cooperation with the Kurds, which is
49:23
Speaker 5: not a place for privatization. They are strong people with
49:26
Speaker 5: a tradition of proximity to Israel. Israel's cooperation with the
49:30
Speaker 5: codes today is limited. In my opinion, we have an
49:32
Speaker 5: interest in expanding in security and political aspects. Israel can
49:38
Speaker 5: help the Courds, they already are in Syria and Iraq.
49:42
Speaker 5: And what's more, he basically then talks about the fact
49:44
Speaker 5: that they can potentially influence the Kurds in Iran to
49:48
Speaker 5: turn against Iran itself.
49:50
Speaker 6: So kind of extraordinary admissions there.
49:53
Speaker 5: They're no longer hiding their role in destabilizing the region
49:58
Speaker 5: and running into spearans for the United States.
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Speaker 1: We should also remind everybody, of course, Vanasa, that they
50:06
Speaker 1: were also providing medical support for al Qaeda and ISAs
50:09
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, absolutely, yes, Okay, thank you for that, Charles.
50:15
Speaker 1: Let's come back to the UK then, and the question
50:18
Speaker 1: of the rule of.
50:18
Speaker 2: Law, indeed a thorny question, but addressed by the Attorney
50:22
Speaker 2: General Richard Hermer a couple of weeks ago at the
50:26
Speaker 2: Bingham lecture. And if the name rings a bell, yes,
50:29
Speaker 2: that is Kate Bingham's family, She of Vaccine Task Force
50:34
Speaker 2: Delivery fame, of course, married to Jesse Norman, the then
50:38
Speaker 2: Financial Secretary to the Treasury. Then almighty coincident. Now, Hermer
50:44
Speaker 2: starts by addressing that there is a problem, and yet
50:47
Speaker 2: he puts it down to something that you might not
50:51
Speaker 2: necessarily have guessed. He says, at a time where there's
50:53
Speaker 2: a desperate need for cooperation and solutions were increasingly confronted
50:57
Speaker 2: by the divisive and disruptive force of populism. Populism, of course,
51:01
Speaker 2: being a term of demonization used much like extremism, by
51:05
Speaker 2: which you can capture anybody. And he goes on to
51:08
Speaker 2: describe such people as having rhetoric conjuring images of a
51:11
Speaker 2: conspiracy of elites, an enemy that is hard to define,
51:14
Speaker 2: but invariably including the people and independent institutions who exercise
51:19
Speaker 2: the kind of checks and balances on executive power that
51:22
Speaker 2: are the essence of liberal democracy and the rule of law. Yes,
51:25
Speaker 2: quite so, and I will come back to why those
51:27
Speaker 2: words are highlighted in a minute. But he goes on
51:29
Speaker 2: to say that it's through international courts that we hope
51:32
Speaker 2: to finally see justice for Ukraine. He doesn't have time
51:35
Speaker 2: to mention the fact that the actions of the ICC
51:39
Speaker 2: and the ICJ have been completely ignored in effect by
51:42
Speaker 2: the British government, but he does say that I and
51:44
Speaker 2: the whole government remain steadfast in our support for Ukraine
51:47
Speaker 2: on the battlefield and in the courtroom. And he goes
51:50
Speaker 2: on to mention the Special Tribunal on the Crime of
51:53
Speaker 2: Aggression against Ukraine. Again, no time to mention Gaza. The
51:58
Speaker 2: twin challenges of Brexit and the COVID pandemic had the
52:01
Speaker 2: effect of concentrating immense power in the hands of the executive.
52:06
Speaker 2: So in fact he's contradicting entirely what he's just said
52:08
Speaker 2: about the separation of powers. But he does go on
52:11
Speaker 2: to refer to the exercise broad delegated powers, including the
52:14
Speaker 2: so called Henry the Eighth powers, which course, if you
52:16
Speaker 2: were at UK column on location in Bristol the other
52:18
Speaker 2: day you would have heard being referred to. But essentially
52:20
Speaker 2: that's a manipulation of legislation in order that you can
52:23
Speaker 2: use statutory instruments secondary legislation from the primary in order
52:27
Speaker 2: to send out dictats in effects. Now what this bears
52:31
Speaker 2: relation to is the sentencing of Tommy Robinson Stephen Yaxley
52:36
Speaker 2: Lennon yesterday by the Solicitor General. And the point to
52:40
Speaker 2: draw out of this is how another instance is demonstrated
52:44
Speaker 2: whereby the legislation and indeed the criminal justice system is
52:48
Speaker 2: weaponized against not just one person but anybody that is
52:52
Speaker 2: confronted by it. So we see that in this civil
52:54
Speaker 2: case of defamation, the primary harm that is caused by
52:59
Speaker 2: each breach of the junction is the corrosive effect that
53:02
Speaker 2: it has had on the administration of justice. So in effect,
53:05
Speaker 2: it's the threat to what might be described as judicial supremacy,
53:08
Speaker 2: which seems to be an area that we are being
53:11
Speaker 2: pushed into, which has been referred to many times before.
53:14
Speaker 2: It's also taken that each breach amounts to further unlawful
53:18
Speaker 2: defamation of the claimant, But of course he goes on
53:21
Speaker 2: to say that he has no specific evidence about that.
53:24
Speaker 2: And this is much of the point of this being
53:26
Speaker 2: a civil case, in that the effectively the threshold, the
53:30
Speaker 2: evidential threshold, is much lower, only being on the balance
53:33
Speaker 2: of probability. So in effect we find ourselves in a
53:36
Speaker 2: situation where a large part of evidence that might be
53:41
Speaker 2: deemed relevant can in fact be dismissed on the basis
53:44
Speaker 2: that it's not going to make material difference the way
53:46
Speaker 2: in which a judge would view it. And that takes
53:49
Speaker 2: us to the Defamation Act of twenty thirteen and the
53:52
Speaker 2: changes that were brought about by it, most notably that
53:56
Speaker 2: the common law defense of justification is abolished, and accordingly
54:00
Speaker 2: the sorry section five of the previous Act nineteen fifty
54:03
Speaker 2: two is repealed. And that's not to say there's no
54:06
Speaker 2: element of justification, but what it does mean is that
54:09
Speaker 2: a judge doesn't need to take into account the case
54:12
Speaker 2: law or indeed specific precedent with regard to this area
54:17
Speaker 2: of defamation. Also, trial by a trial to be without
54:22
Speaker 2: a jury, so effectively in favor of or presumption in
54:25
Speaker 2: favor of trial by judge. Now, to be fair, it
54:28
Speaker 2: was unusual for it to be inclusive of a jury anyway,
54:32
Speaker 2: and the section of the Senior Courts Act nineteen eighty
54:36
Speaker 2: one does demonstrate the trial with the jury may take
54:40
Speaker 2: place if the trial requires prolonged examination of documents. But
54:44
Speaker 2: of course there are many ways within which that can
54:47
Speaker 2: be dodged because of the lower threshold as I've just
54:51
Speaker 2: referred to, being the balance of probability. Also, and significantly
54:55
Speaker 2: with regard to this instance, the common law defense known
54:58
Speaker 2: as the Reynolds defense is is abolished. This goes back
55:01
Speaker 2: to two thousand and one, and we see from the
55:03
Speaker 2: in house lawyer here an explainer saying that the Reynolds
55:06
Speaker 2: defense is designed to protect serious investigative journalists acting in
55:10
Speaker 2: good faith and reporting on matters of public interest. Now
55:14
Speaker 2: public interest, of course being something that is in the
55:18
Speaker 2: public's interest as in benefit, rather than the public being
55:22
Speaker 2: interested in it, even where allegations are false and hugely
55:25
Speaker 2: damaging to the subject of the publication. Publishers can make
55:29
Speaker 2: use of this defense. So many significant things that drop
55:33
Speaker 2: out of this. Specifically, when we think back to Hermer
55:35
Speaker 2: referring to the rule of law, and yet of course
55:38
Speaker 2: we see a number of very very inconsistent situations, not
55:43
Speaker 2: least of course the Hugh Edwards case and indeed what's
55:46
Speaker 2: happened to Mike Ainsbury the labor MP apparently seen punching
55:50
Speaker 2: somebody to the ground and continuing to punch them. So
55:54
Speaker 2: it's hard to see consistency and indeed the rule of
55:56
Speaker 2: law being applied, and these situations do highlight the many
56:01
Speaker 2: inconsistencies which course will built to concentrate on in the future.
56:05
Speaker 1: Indeed, now let's end with some comedy. Of course, the
56:10
Speaker 1: death of don Sturgis in itself is not a comedic situation,
56:15
Speaker 1: and she deserves some respect here, but this inquiry into
56:20
Speaker 1: her death certainly is a comedic situation. And as we
56:25
Speaker 1: see the mainstream media running around trying to justify a
56:29
Speaker 1: narrative which simply does not hold up. So the BBC,
56:33
Speaker 1: for example, is running a podcast series, if you're interested,
56:38
Speaker 1: called Crime next Door the Salisbury Poisonings. So this is
56:41
Speaker 1: a series of efforts to get the narrative line straight,
56:47
Speaker 1: and in the most recent episode they had the Neil
56:51
Speaker 1: Bassu the what was he he was met? Kind of
56:56
Speaker 1: Terrorism Assistant Commissioner on as a guest, and Bassu saying,
57:01
Speaker 1: you know, to leave that this is the vial or
57:05
Speaker 1: the perfume bottle full of allegedly full of novechok. To
57:09
Speaker 1: leave that lying around anywhere on foreign soil is the
57:12
Speaker 1: most unbelievably reckless disregard for human life I ever witnessed.
57:17
Speaker 1: He said. One of the things I was thinking was,
57:19
Speaker 1: is this war? You know, is this an act of war?
57:22
Speaker 1: You think of a weapon of mass destruction as being
57:24
Speaker 1: an intercontinental ballistic missile with a nuclear tipped warhead, and
57:30
Speaker 1: you don't think of it being a perfume tester bottle.
57:33
Speaker 1: We didn't know what we were looking for, is what
57:35
Speaker 1: he said. Well, that's very interesting that he says, is
57:37
Speaker 1: because of course the people that the ambulance crew and
57:42
Speaker 1: the other first responders that dealt with Don Sturgis and
57:45
Speaker 1: Charlie Rowley also didn't know what they were dealing with,
57:47
Speaker 1: and yet they didn't seem to die as a result
57:50
Speaker 1: of coming into contact with this substance at all, So
57:55
Speaker 1: you know, it's all a bit strange. So then we
57:58
Speaker 1: have this article which is talking about Neil Bassu in
58:02
Speaker 1: their podcast series, and this article on the BBC website
58:05
Speaker 1: called Chief thought scrip All poisoning could be active war,
58:09
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to highlight one particular section of
58:11
Speaker 1: it because they showed the photograph of the perfume package
58:15
Speaker 1: and the little perfume bottle and so on with and
58:19
Speaker 1: the headline or the subtitle here says the Inquiry heard
58:23
Speaker 1: the designer perfume bottle carrying the nervage and contained enough
58:26
Speaker 1: poison to kill thousands of people. So it contained enough
58:31
Speaker 1: poison to kill thousands of people, but at the beginning
58:33
Speaker 1: they didn't know that it was a nerve age, and
58:34
Speaker 1: so they weren't particularly treating it very carefully, and certainly
58:37
Speaker 1: the first responders weren't treating it very carefully. But it
58:40
Speaker 1: didn't kill thousands of people, so it's all very strange.
58:43
Speaker 1: And then the Inquiry on Monday was talking about this
58:47
Speaker 1: image which was distributed at the inquiry. This is Sergei
58:52
Speaker 1: scrip All in the box there handing some bread to
58:55
Speaker 1: a young boy as they were feeding the ducks. Now,
58:59
Speaker 1: of course the issue of dead ducks was a big
59:01
Speaker 1: issue with respective scrip Ale poisonings, and it became in
59:06
Speaker 1: fact an intelligence services issue, as you'll see in a second.
59:09
Speaker 1: But in order to get to the bottom of this
59:11
Speaker 1: and not worry what the mainstream media is saying, let's
59:13
Speaker 1: have a look at this article from the UK column
59:16
Speaker 1: website The Day of the scripp All, which is a
59:18
Speaker 1: timeline running through all the sort of mainstream media coverage
59:22
Speaker 1: of the thing at the time. And indeed the issue
59:24
Speaker 1: of ducks comes up here because at thirteen forty five,
59:28
Speaker 1: on the day of the poisoning, they were feeding the ducks.
59:31
Speaker 1: It says here. CCTV video footage exists of the scrip
59:35
Speaker 1: ale's feeding ducks at Ivon playground, but it has not
59:38
Speaker 1: been released to the public. We know this video exists
59:40
Speaker 1: because three boys joined the scrip als where they were
59:43
Speaker 1: feeding the ducks, and their parents were later contacted by
59:46
Speaker 1: police who use CCTV video to CCTV video to identify them.
59:50
Speaker 1: The possibility that children could have been exposed to novichok
59:53
Speaker 1: was sensationally reported in The Sun newspaper, which two weeks
59:57
Speaker 1: after the attack sent a journalist to interview one the
1:00:00
Speaker 1: boys and his parents. So there is there exclusive putting
1:00:03
Speaker 1: his youngest victim, schoolboy twelve, on how how was exposed
1:00:08
Speaker 1: to deadly poison after Russian spy Sergei Scripall gave him
1:00:12
Speaker 1: bread to feed ducks and Salisbury. But it gets better because,
1:00:16
Speaker 1: according to The New York Times, shortly after the script attack,
1:00:19
Speaker 1: British intelligence informed US counterparts that Novichok had killed ducks
1:00:24
Speaker 1: and injured children at Salisbury. So the so British intelligence
1:00:29
Speaker 1: informed United States intelligence that Novichok had injured children at Salisbury. Right,
1:00:35
Speaker 1: that's very important, mister Haspell, Sorry, miss hospital show pictures.
1:00:40
Speaker 1: The British government had supplied her young her of young
1:00:44
Speaker 1: children hospitalized after being sickened by the Novichok nerve agent.
1:00:48
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, at the inquiry this week, it came to
1:00:52
Speaker 1: light that the two boards the boy, along with two others,
1:00:57
Speaker 1: was later traced as part of the investigtion. He reported
1:01:01
Speaker 1: being ill for a day or two after the encounter,
1:01:04
Speaker 1: but the inquiry heard that no traces of the chemical
1:01:06
Speaker 1: weapon were found on them when they were eventually tested.
1:01:11
Speaker 1: So where does this disparity cause we're talking about intelligence
1:01:15
Speaker 1: agencies giving intelligence to US intelligence agencies that these boys
1:01:19
Speaker 1: were directly affected by navichok, But at the inquiry this
1:01:22
Speaker 1: week we're told that no Navichok was found on them.
1:01:25
Speaker 1: Where does this disparity come from. Maybe, just maybe this
1:01:31
Speaker 1: is what happened.
1:01:33
Speaker 9: My advice for any individual that may have been in
1:01:37
Speaker 9: any of the areas now cordoned off from ten pm
1:01:41
Speaker 9: on Friday evening onwards is highly precautionary. As before, my
1:01:47
Speaker 9: advice is to wash your clothes and wipe down any
1:01:50
Speaker 9: personal items shoes and bags with cleansing or baby wipes
1:01:53
Speaker 9: before disposing of them in the usual way. This is
1:01:57
Speaker 9: the same public health advice I gave your in the
1:02:00
Speaker 9: previous instant.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: Didn't so that was Sally Davies, the chief medical officer
1:02:05
Speaker 1: at the time. So maybe maybe they couldn't find another
1:02:08
Speaker 1: chalk on these boys because they wiped on their clothes
1:02:10
Speaker 1: with baby wipes. Maybe that's the reason, and so the
1:02:14
Speaker 1: incident didn't didn't or whatever it was she said there
1:02:16
Speaker 1: didn't quite happen the way they say. But anyway, I
1:02:20
Speaker 1: don't know even I don't even know how to take
1:02:22
Speaker 1: this seriously at this point. And this is clearly what
1:02:25
Speaker 1: I'm referring to here is all Russian disinformation. We must
1:02:29
Speaker 1: always keep that in mind, and we'll leave you with
1:02:31
Speaker 1: that thought for today. We'll be back in a couple
1:02:35
Speaker 1: of minutes for some extra where I'm direly we will
1:02:37
Speaker 1: be talking more about this and many other topics. Charles
1:02:42
Speaker 1: interviewed tomorrow one pm. Don't miss it, and we'll be
1:02:44
Speaker 1: back for the news one pm as usual on Friday.
1:02:47
Speaker 1: See then bye bye, all right,