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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, December 18 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Wars, did you don't Jack Jack Warris did Jack Wars?
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  Speaker 1: Drive Time? Brian Sex steps that says it, Ashley Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Drive Time starts right now. Good morning, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Jack's Drive Time. Here on a Tuesday. Brian and Ashlyn
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  Speaker 1: with you. I won't lie to you. We're doing Christmas
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  Speaker 1: shopping online on our computers thirty seconds ago. And you
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  Speaker 1: just said, you know, I don't think you want to
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  Speaker 1: smell like a pair of And I couldn't help but
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  Speaker 1: laugh at that, and stone Colds in the other room
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  Speaker 1: being stone cold. Talk about you guys talking about that stuff. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have a girlfriend or a wife that I
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  Speaker 1: know of, so Christmas isn't a week. I got to
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  Speaker 1: step it up. Yeah, and this football season, obviously, And
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  Speaker 1: despite the fact that right now it's kind of lousy
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  Speaker 1: football season, it's still football season for another two weeks
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  Speaker 1: and then it will be gone. And you know what, Ashlyn,
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  Speaker 1: people will miss it when it's gone. Even one that
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  Speaker 1: has been miserable like this one has been, is miserable.
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  Speaker 1: Strong Enoffard, It is a strong enough Ford. But it's
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  Speaker 1: true because I was standing on the field for the
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  Speaker 1: last home game on Sunday during the national anthem when
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  Speaker 1: the Jets flew over, and I was thinking to myself, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is so cool. Even though it's a losing season,
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  Speaker 1: and even though this season is not what anyone expected
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  Speaker 1: to be, it's still so cool that there's a football
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  Speaker 1: team in Jacksonville and people have the opportunity to come
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  Speaker 1: watch football and Sunday and all of a sudden, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be gone. But I was Jen and I
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  Speaker 1: were out Christmas shopping last night and a year ago,
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  Speaker 1: which struck me was just how many people were buying
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars stuff, you know what I mean. Jaguars shirts, sweatshirts, slippers, socks,
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  Speaker 1: dangly ear rings, anything that had the Jaguars on it.
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  Speaker 1: It was in the Christmas list, on the Christmas list,
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  Speaker 1: in the basket on the way to the checkout, and
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  Speaker 1: last night you just saw people kind of walking by it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's funny how it goes up and down
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  Speaker 1: and up and down. Now they're selling some of it,
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  Speaker 1: obviously because there's a lot of fans. But last year
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  Speaker 1: you just couldn't you couldn't find any Remember the hats, right,
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  Speaker 1: we were going to cold weather cities and everyone was
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  Speaker 1: looking for those New Year a halfs and you couldn't
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  Speaker 1: find them, couldn't find them. They were selling on Amazon
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  Speaker 1: for a ridiculous amount of money. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: they were over a hundred dollars because you just weren't
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  Speaker 1: many of them left. It was right before they were
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  Speaker 1: going to the playoffs, and everyone was trying to get
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  Speaker 1: the gating for Christmas and all that stuff. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: well we're off on a tangent about Christmas shopping. That's
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  Speaker 1: I guess to be expected when you're four and ten. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's jump into big things and get right out of
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  Speaker 1: the big thing. One is what's left? Two more weeks
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  Speaker 1: with this team, two more weeks with this locker room,
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  Speaker 1: and what we've known as two thousand eight teen. There
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  Speaker 1: was some controversy after Sunday's Lost that guys shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: having fun in the locker room. They shouldn't be laughing.
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  Speaker 1: Clais Campbell has some words for people who criticize having
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  Speaker 1: fun in this game. But the of the day, you
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  Speaker 1: have to keep playing ball and keep making it fun.
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  Speaker 1: If you can't come out here and enjoy yourself where
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  Speaker 1: you're out here, then you know, I mean you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: even be out there, you know. And so for people
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  Speaker 1: who think that you can't laugh and have a good
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  Speaker 1: time along the way, uh, you know, they don't understand
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  Speaker 1: that the game and what goes into it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: think you have to have it, you know, enjoy yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the situation where now you know where,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're going home, you know, uh, New Year's
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  Speaker 1: you know, the season is over, you know. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you have to kind of you know, uh, have that
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  Speaker 1: that that fun you know, come into it. Otherwise you
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  Speaker 1: know you'll be missable round here the whole time, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you probably are gonna play bad worse
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  Speaker 1: because of it, you know. So I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the more fun you have, the better you'll play. In
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  Speaker 1: my opinion. You know, as we walked out of the
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  Speaker 1: studio yesterday, we were talking with John Osier and we thought,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the next couple of weeks, you're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: more of the same. Um, there's no new storylines, nothing's changed.
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  Speaker 1: The storylines right now are Doug Moron's job, which has
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  Speaker 1: been banded about by the media endlessly. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: part of the gig. He knows it. He stands there oh,
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  Speaker 1: I would use the term bravely, but he he stands
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  Speaker 1: there bravely answers the question. You know, boldly, um calmly
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  Speaker 1: answers the question. He understands that that's going to come
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  Speaker 1: into question. All those coaches do uh any other questions
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  Speaker 1: a quarter back? And I mean, I think we all
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  Speaker 1: know that the quarterback issue is going to be resolved
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  Speaker 1: in the off season some way, shape or form. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to move on from the guys that they have
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  Speaker 1: and find guys that they believe that they can win with.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, we can banter about names, although
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  Speaker 1: there'll be plenty of time to do that. In terms
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  Speaker 1: of rookies that might be draft choices and the veteran
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  Speaker 1: guys who may be released or maybe put on the
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  Speaker 1: trade block. There's not a whole lot new to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: And that's really the storyline of this season because when
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  Speaker 1: it went bad, it went bad early. The injuries that
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  Speaker 1: piled up on the offensive line, and people don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear about injuries. But I think if we just
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  Speaker 1: start going through how many at one point there were
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  Speaker 1: two starters on the field for the offense in December.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, it gets to that point so yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about a lot of the exact same things here
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  Speaker 1: for the final few weeks, and we've been talking about them.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of feels like Groundhog Day in December.
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  Speaker 1: And it's expected, especially with the offense. John and I
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  Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday and zone Blitz. Everyone expects. You know,
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  Speaker 1: next week's a new week and everything's gonna change and
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna get better. This offense isn't going to change
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  Speaker 1: because you still have Coodye Kesler as your quarterback, you
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  Speaker 1: still have learned for net not running at the highest level.
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  Speaker 1: You still don't have a lot of weapons. You can't
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  Speaker 1: expect them to go out and score twenty four points
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  Speaker 1: the next week because it's inadequate with the weapons they have.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at the defense, they've
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  Speaker 1: been remarkably healthy this year. Uh you know they're down
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  Speaker 1: obviously Dante Fowler they traded him, and that that will
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  Speaker 1: turn out to be a good thing for them because
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  Speaker 1: they've got that extra third round pick. Lord knows they
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  Speaker 1: need it now and right. And we'll talk about draft
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  Speaker 1: and all that. We'll talk about it later in the show,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it all through the off season.
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  Speaker 1: As they get to that point. Um, but the defense
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  Speaker 1: has been remarkably healthy, and so what's left? Can the
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  Speaker 1: defense play a higher brand of football? Can they? Can
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  Speaker 1: they play as well as they did against the Colts? Right? Um,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't play well obviously against the Titans, but they
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  Speaker 1: played pretty well last week. Except for that final drive
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  Speaker 1: that was set up short field. They didn't need to
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  Speaker 1: go far to get the field goal. Adrian Peterson had
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  Speaker 1: a couple of you know, hard pounding runs. You'd like
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  Speaker 1: to see the defense be a little more stout than that.
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  Speaker 1: You'd like to see them the final two weeks at least,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a pick six fumble recovery, something that gives
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit of life on that side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball. Right, But once again against the Redskins, they
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  Speaker 1: played well enough to win. I mean, you played well
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  Speaker 1: enough to win the entire game. And it's on the offense.
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  Speaker 1: We're not scoring enough points. And that's been the storyline.
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  Speaker 1: The entire offense couldn't help You couldn't help them all year.
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  Speaker 1: So they're going to spend a lot of time. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to spend a lot of time talking about getting
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  Speaker 1: better on offense. Um. So when we say what's next
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  Speaker 1: or what's left? Big things might be a little bit shorter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's left is the same storyline the next two years.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll find different ways and entertaining ways to
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  Speaker 1: say it. But let's go to a big thing too, right,
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  Speaker 1: big thing too is what's next? What do you have?
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  Speaker 1: What do you have to build on these next two
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  Speaker 1: weeks and going into the off season. Well, you have cornerbacks,
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  Speaker 1: you have a J Boy and Jalen Rams. You have D. D.
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  Speaker 1: Westbrook on offense who shine this season on the offense.
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  Speaker 1: That's about it. And then you saw the special team's
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  Speaker 1: performance on Sunday. They played really well. You have a
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  Speaker 1: good special teams unit. The rest is a to be determined. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what's next of the next couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: is to find those guys that you say, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's see what he's got now and what can we do.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the roster um and here's again
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  Speaker 1: it tells the story on the offensive line. The only
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  Speaker 1: guy that I'm circling and saying, all right, let's see
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  Speaker 1: the next two weeks is Eric Flowers. Now I know
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  Speaker 1: Tony Boselli says he doesn't have the knee bend to
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  Speaker 1: be an elite left tackle. He was the knife pick
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  Speaker 1: of the draft because he's a big man with great athleticism,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the run. You know, let's see and let's
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  Speaker 1: see if in the off season he doesn't get stronger,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work uh, you know with uh the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: coach and get better. I mean that's a guy at
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  Speaker 1: least you can say there's some upside. He still talent,
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  Speaker 1: whereas Patrick o mom A, Tyler Shatley. You know what
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  Speaker 1: those guys are, Josh wells aj Can going to leave
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  Speaker 1: in free agency, Jemmy Parnell won't be back at tight end, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know now, I mean maybe Blake Bell, who has
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  Speaker 1: been a contributor here at wide receiver d J. Chart right,
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  Speaker 1: and we haven't seen him in the last month. Don't
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  Speaker 1: know whether he'll play at all before the season is through. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but was a second run pick and a guy that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people have had as a first round
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  Speaker 1: borderline kind of guy last year. So and obviously D D.
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  Speaker 1: Westbrook and I think you throw out there, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's gilling Cole going to be what he was this
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  Speaker 1: year or what he showed us last year. So I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's what's next. The last couple of weeks, finding
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  Speaker 1: guys that you say, bring back to camp, see what
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  Speaker 1: they've got. UM on the defensive side, obviously there's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of other guys there, you know, UM Trey Herndon,
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  Speaker 1: Quentin Meeks, Jared Wilson. Jared Wilson played a good game
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  Speaker 1: before you sure did. Nick de Luca, Lyndon Johnson, who
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  Speaker 1: UM the coach mentioned yesterday during his news conference. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted to to get onto the field. So there's there's
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  Speaker 1: young guys, more Taven, Brian more of the draft choices
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  Speaker 1: that are healthy and available to play. UM. There are playing.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way around it. It's had. But at times
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  Speaker 1: this conversation reminds me of the fourth preseason game. We
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  Speaker 1: were talking about it all week, that this is the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for guys to make their case. It's sad that
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about that in December, but that's where we
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  Speaker 1: are at this point. That is exactly where we are,
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  Speaker 1: and those are the names to watch and you need
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  Speaker 1: to supplement them. And it's I remember thinking as we
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  Speaker 1: were wrapping up the preseason and getting started with the
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  Speaker 1: regular scies. Man, this roster is deep. It is. They
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  Speaker 1: have got quality depth and here we are at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year saying, what are they got? Who's
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  Speaker 1: this guy? Yeah? Exactly. It can turn in a heart beat,
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  Speaker 1: and it can and it turned fast. It all right?
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  Speaker 1: Final big thing, Big thing three is why watch for
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  Speaker 1: the good in the bad? If you're a Jaguars fan,
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  Speaker 1: you want to watch the next two weeks because you
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  Speaker 1: want to see how this team handles adversity. And my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: we know that they have had a lot of adversity
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  Speaker 1: this season, but character telling with adversity, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that the next two weeks you want to see how
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. You want to see how Calais Campbell. You
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  Speaker 1: want to see your guys on offense, how they respond
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  Speaker 1: to the next two weeks, because that's going to show
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  Speaker 1: if you want them here in two thou. I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are questioning, you know, why would
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  Speaker 1: I take the time to watch what I've watched the
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  Speaker 1: last two weeks. You know, you can't blame him, No
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  Speaker 1: you can't, um, but it's the last go around for
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  Speaker 1: some guys here. Um. And I don't think anybody expects
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  Speaker 1: Millie Jackson to be back. Don sound like he expects
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  Speaker 1: to be back right, but he's still spoke in the
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  Speaker 1: lockerroom yesterday, which is speaking the top shelf guy. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You want to see Klais Campbell continue to play at
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  Speaker 1: a high level, and he really has, Jeff Loguman said
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  Speaker 1: three weeks ago. He is your best defensive player right
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  Speaker 1: there with Jalen Ramsey. Uh. You're talking about thirty two
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  Speaker 1: year old guy and he's playing at a very high level.
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  Speaker 1: You want to see if he can get the ten
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  Speaker 1: s acs for only the second time in his career.
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  Speaker 1: Uniquonquay needs three. Maybe he could get there. Marcel Darius
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  Speaker 1: at times has played at an epic level. Um, he's
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  Speaker 1: been dealing with the back in recent weeks. UM. Miles
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  Speaker 1: Jack a guy who needs to play better right, runs
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  Speaker 1: and hits, but has been wildly inconsistent this year. That
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  Speaker 1: needs to play a joy A guy who did and
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  Speaker 1: played very well early, got hurt, came back and has
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  Speaker 1: played his best football in the last few weeks. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Why watched because it's your team and because it's the
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  Speaker 1: end of the season and you'll be jones in for football. Um.
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  Speaker 1: The good news is is that if it's bad, you
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  Speaker 1: turn it off, which I think a lot of people did.
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  Speaker 1: Probably in on Sunday, Tildy Westbrook had turned for a
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  Speaker 1: touchdown and then people watched. So you watched for moments
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  Speaker 1: like that. Um, I know, I'm I'm a football geek.
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  Speaker 1: So when Logan Cook nailed that sixty three yard punt,
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  Speaker 1: I was excited all year long. Literally, I have seen
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  Speaker 1: this kid punk in practice in the preseason. He was
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  Speaker 1: killing it and I kept thinking, where is it? Because
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  Speaker 1: when they needed a big punt from him this year,
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  Speaker 1: he shanked it. You know, he didn't get into it cleanly,
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  Speaker 1: and there were a couple of times where you've got
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  Speaker 1: a glimpse of what he was. People, Well, it's the punter,
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  Speaker 1: and when you have a defense that you want to
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  Speaker 1: play to, punter is important. Flipping the fields. Go back
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  Speaker 1: to when we used to play the Texans or the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders and Shane Leckler, who's one of the great punters
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  Speaker 1: of the last five years, was kicking. You knew that
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  Speaker 1: he could flip the field on you. Jack. Where's need
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  Speaker 1: that kind of a weapon? People understand how important special
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  Speaker 1: teams are. Um, so that's why you watch, not not
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  Speaker 1: because you're expecting them to win. They're playing a team
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  Speaker 1: in Miami that's seven and seven and still in the hunt,
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  Speaker 1: and they're getting a Houston team that will be playing
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  Speaker 1: for um perhaps first round bond and so yeah, teams
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  Speaker 1: that need to win in December generally beat those that don't.
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  Speaker 1: We're just being realistic. So you're looking for little things
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  Speaker 1: here and there that give you a sense of where
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  Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, it's interesting regarding the Dolphins, though. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk more about this obviously later in the week, but
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to John about it yesterday and Zone Blitz,
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  Speaker 1: and we were saying, you know that this team has
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  Speaker 1: something to play for, and then we were reading all
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  Speaker 1: about what the conversation in Miami, and it's about change
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  Speaker 1: and offseason and throwing things away, and it doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: seem like they're talking much about the playoffs, even though
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  Speaker 1: they're still very much in the conversation. Well, you're a
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  Speaker 1: South Florida person, you tell me. I mean, in Miami,
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  Speaker 1: they've been disappointed for a number of years and years
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  Speaker 1: and years, and this is the closest they've been in
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  Speaker 1: a while, and they're still talking about offseason change, which
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  Speaker 1: is interesting. Well, and I think they even though they're
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  Speaker 1: seven and seven, their question Mark is the quarterback to
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  Speaker 1: Tanny Hill, hasn't had the struggles on the field, you
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  Speaker 1: know where he looks like he's struggling to throw the
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  Speaker 1: ball or hasn't turned the ball over as many times
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  Speaker 1: as Blake Bortles has in his career. And yet he's
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  Speaker 1: been unable to stay healthy, which Blake has been able
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  Speaker 1: to stay and at times has been inconsistent himself. So
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  Speaker 1: I guess when you're in the position of needing a quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: you think everything's got to change. Rather, you're seven and seven,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll take our first break of Jags Drive time
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  Speaker 1: on a Tuesday. When we return Ashland's analysis plus still ahead,
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  Speaker 1: your lifestyle. One week to Christmas, hard to believe it,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, really crazy. Twelve days to the season finale
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: in Houston, to stop in Miami this weekend to take
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: on the Dolphins. Brian and Ashlyn with you, Joe Fortunato
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: alongside Stone Cold in the other room. Don't forget John,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Oh is your joint us tomorrow? Big? Hey Joe, we're
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: looking forward to with Joe. We're really looking for it.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: It's a big one this week. Is it to a
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Christmas tune? I guess we should have given you warning
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: we were coming to you. Hi, Hi Joe, Good morning,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Hey Joe, Christmas? Yes, yes it is. Oh, we can't wait.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: You gotta tune in for that? Hey? Can I can
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I bust this whole format thing up? Why not? We're
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: doing it. You opened the show with Um Calais talking
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: about how you know, some people may be taking offense
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: to the team having fun and not seeming like they're
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: concentrating halftime. We see it all the time, but Um,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: sometimes special teams players will come out early during halftime.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Get extra snaps, extra punts, whatever. And sometimes when like
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: let's say there's a band or frisbee dogs on the field,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: they almost seem like they're in the way. This week
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: we had about thirty five people out there getting yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: receiving citizenship. Matt Overton is out there getting some extra
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: snaps in at the end of it. And by the way,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Loggy and I are up in the booth and we're
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: standing up, we're cheering because it was it was pretty
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: cool ceremony. At the end of it, they recite the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Pledge of allegiance. Overton stops, stands up, faces him. I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: couldn't tell if he was reciting with him, but it
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: really looked like it. And then when it was over,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: he took the time. He shook as many hands as
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: he possibly could as they walked off the field. It
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: was really cool. Do you know what that is? That's living,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's you know. Yes, the season is tough. Yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it isn't a whole lot of fun to go into
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the locker room after the game and have to talk
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: about a loss. But it doesn't mean that you shouldn't
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: enjoy the ride, because that's life. Life as its ups
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and downs, And I mean, I know I'm waxing philosophical,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: but to stand there and to embrace whatever moment you
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: were in for what's there and what was out. There
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: was a lot of people who were becoming American citizens.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: And the immigration debate is so heated these days. Here
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: are people who came and went through the process to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: do it. But that's great. It was pretty cool. Good
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: story are every day? Every day is a new days.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Yes you remember that, Joe? Write that down? Yeah, whatever,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Joe Fortunato tomorrow right about this time, Hey, Joe, to
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: a Christmas tune? And you're not gonna give us any
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: hints is to what it is? Are you? By the way?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: They come back on real quick? You know, you and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I have done this together for about a decade, as
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: long as Ashland has been alive. Maybe just how old
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: are you? We got longer than um. And we always
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: get into the Christmas spirit with some Christmas. Christmas is
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: a holiday, I'm aware. Don't you hate that? Oh? Shar
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: has one hammer and he and he hits the nail
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: on the head with it every time. He had this
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: terrible joke. Yesterday, yesterday I was wearing camouflage jeans and
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: he walks into do zone blitz. He goes slid. Where's
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: your legs? It's like, are we really doing that right now?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Are we really saying that joke jokes? There's nothing wor
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: your your number one choice? If I were to ask
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: you to play a Christmas tune right now? What is
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the number one? What is the first one you would
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: put on? Oh, you're gonna hate it because I know
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you're extremely traditional. Definitely jingle bell rock. No, no, McCartney,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you wonderful Christmas Time. That's a good one. Extremely traditional. Okay, yeah,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm were extremely I thought it'd be a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: jingle bell rock type of guy. Is that the first
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: one you'd put on? What would you put on? If
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you carry all I want for Christmas? You got a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: good baseline, though, I see Joe's going with what he likes.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going jingle ball rock. My grandma loves
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that song. She always played it. Shout out to you, Grammy,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the original and the old one. Yeah, the old Okay, cool,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm going with a right so, oh no,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I'm very traditional, extremely the piano guys. I put the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: piano guys on. I love the cello, and so I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: would put the cello version of Okamo com Emanuel, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the cello version is beautiful. If you like cello extremely
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Do you like the piano guys? Do like? They're great? Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Their Christmas album is fantastic and they've got all that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the modern stuff too, but the deep baritone of the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: cello I enjoy. So yes, I'm very traditional. Yes, the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: guys right now, look at you. I had my moments.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: He's really good. I love the piano guys. That's Carol.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: The bell's right, yes, Tod to sing it in my
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: head sea. Yeah, they're great if you if you're looking
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: for a Christmas album to get you in the spirit.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And last night was listening and just to hear the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you know, the deep, deep, soulful sound of the cello.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I love a bass whatever good stuff. Glad you said bass.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It is a bass, is it not? Yeah? Bas cello? Alright, well,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I'm way out of my element here, my depth, but
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I love it. And Joe you kind of keep this
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: playing under Ashley's analysis, that's sure. Sure, it makes it
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: very dramatically kind of does All right, we're going back
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to football now. It's the time. Are you bored with
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the Christmas. No, I'm not bored, alright, I'm just wondering. Yeah, alright,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: start talking. Kid. Ashlan's analysis today is why Jalen MC
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: has been taken out of context recently? Is he sometimes selfish?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Is he had a big ego? Does he worry about
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the game? Yes? Is that a bad thing? No, We're
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: here to tell you it's not a bad thing. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: let's go into the Tennessee Titans post game lock room
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: where he said on the lines that he only worries
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: about himself. But of course that tweet was posted just
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: with that I only worry about myself. It was completely
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: taken out of context. We're gonna show you what he
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: said before that that shows that he was just doing
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: his job. Are you still locked in? I mean yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I mean I had limited opportunities and they ran the ball.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: They ran the ball down. I thought in the game
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it did scream. We didn't me personally. I didn't have
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of opts um to try to make a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: game change of play. I mean, it is what it is.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I go out there, I'll do what I can do.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: That's all I can do, to be honest. Yeah, checkout
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: last three weeks, worry guys might check out mentally, these
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: people do. I worry perginally. All I can do is
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: worry about myself. Um, that's that's a question. I guess
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you gotta ask everybody in the locker room and ask
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the coach that I'm not sure, but I guess I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: have to worry about myself, you know. So if we
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: go back to the Dallas game, the biggest defensive trouble
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: was people were not doing their jobs. They weren't seeking
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to their assignments. And as a cornerback, you have to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: stick to your assignment, and that's all you can do.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Because if you don't stick to your assignment, you go
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: try to help out the run defense. That's when they
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: throw to your guy and that's when you give up
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a big touchdown. So now let's go to Sunday's game.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Post game, when asked about dun Brown's job, and Jalen
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Ramsey said again, I have to worry about myself. Are
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you worried about about a lot of people? Don't worry
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: about nobody but myself. So Ashton's analysis is stop hayting
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: on the mat man for worrying about himself because he's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: doing his job. Dun Rown has preached all season, do
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: your job. He's worried about his contract, He's worried about
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: supporting his family. If Brian's jobs were on the line,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: and I said I have to worry about my job
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: before Brian's, you wouldn't hate me for that. I'd understand it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: You have to understand understanding. They're taking it completely out
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: of context. And is that somewhat on Jalen because over
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the summer the g Q article throwing all the shade
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: kind of and he kind of brought it on himself.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: But you can't hate the man forring about his own
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: job over others throwing all the shade. That's a young hip. Sorry,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: it's like throwing like insults everywhere, which she did. Yes,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just playing up that. I guess what I would say.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You know, he eliminated a lot of margin for error
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in terms of the way that people give him, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt with the g Q article,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and he knows that. UM, And I guess I assume
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that all of you who watch, read, Twitter, Facebook, who
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: listen UM, understand that when we show you a sound bite,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: we're showing you the most meaningful fifteen to twenty second
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that which we think tells you the story. Um, concisely right.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: We can't show you everything. We rarely show you the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: lead up to the question or the follow through, And
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: especially the one in Tennessee Pro Football Talk ran with it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: They took just the words I've got to worry about myself.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And as you watched that there, what you saw was
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: he was genuinely talking about whether people had quit or not.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And when he said I've got to worry about myself,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: he was saying I cannot question my teammates. That's what
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he was saying. And if you listen to the entire bite,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that becomes abundantly clear. I remember reading I don't know
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: who it was the next day, but thinking you were
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: standing there, how could you possibly get that out of context?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: But in the hundred and forty characters that we communicate
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in these days, you couldn't possibly give a enough context
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: or be even the feeling. Because Jalen was standing there
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in the room and he was saying, look, they didn't
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: throw the ball at me. I didn't get a chance
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to make game changing plays. All I could do was
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: do what I could do. Let's stick to my coverage
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and stick to my job, which is all the coaches
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: asked him to do, which coming off the Indianapolis game,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is a great point that you made, is that they
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: don't want Jalen to get it, you know, in his head,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: or any of the players. I've got to do what
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I can do. But if they're not throwing at me,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta go do what Barry does or what Miles
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: does or what Malik does. I can only worry about
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: what my job is because if I don't worry about
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that a touchdown exactly exactly. So you know, they made
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a big deal this week about Jalen and not worried
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: about Doug Moron. Well, no he's not. He's worried about
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: his own contract at his own job, and as we
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: all should be at this point. And there's nothing And
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: he said this, and it was part of the of
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the of the conversation afterwards, was there's nothing that worrying
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: about Doug Maron's job can do to make Jalen a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: better player on Sunday that can clue him in to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: his keys or prepare him for the opponent. There's nothing,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So why would you waste any time? And by the way,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: if Doug Moron were here right now. I don't want
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: him to worry about me. I'll worry about me. You
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: worry about you. So because Jalen popped off in the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: g Q article, and I hope that the offseason we
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: get a chance, in a moment of candor to say
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to him, would you really learn from that? How far
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: did you come from last season where you were that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: brash I don't wanna say arrogant, but brad honest guy.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I really like him, and I don't like the trash talking,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but I like him and I think he's a good guy.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And I think he was playing the villain because someone
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: told him that he should. Jalen, don't play the villain.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: You're a good guy right now. Being a corner on
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: an island and a shutdown doesn't really lend itself to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: being the good guy. It lends itself to a lot
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of this fans like that kind of stuff. And when
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you make a big play when they're targeting you or
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the who targets Jalen Ramsey, Um, you know you step up.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: It's how he gets Let me see if I can
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: use the right term hype for the game. Um, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey over the last five weeks has been terrific.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: He has shown leadership qualities and concern. I saw in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Nashville concern for what he was saying and how he
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: was saying it. But Pro Football Talk only took that
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: little clip and they wrote a story around that. They
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: didn't have the context in it. So, um, you're analysis
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: spot on. Thank you pretty smart. I try at times,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: but yes, Jalen Ramsey, where about yourself? Keep doing it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Keep doing your thing? All right, we're on the next thing.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: What do we have next? I think take it eapret Tuesday,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Let's do it first one a fan response to Jeff
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Logerman's tweet about Avery Jones and the great game he
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: played on Sunday. Just same is so underrated, it's crazy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I remember getting him as an undrafted free agent and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: feeling like I had gotten a second or third round
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: guy for free. Glad we resigned him and paid him.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: He's a Jaguar though, through and through. We need to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: make sure to keep Jaguars Jalon Ramsey, Miles Jack and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Andyke and gock Way as well. Well. He's right. When
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: when Avery was in his last year at Georgia, he
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: sprained his ankle, severe spraining of his ankle. So a
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: guy who people were projecting would be a second or
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a third round pick doesn't get after it at all
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: comes down here. Obviously, those guys in the trenches have
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to get stronger, they have to get smarter, They have
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to understand exactly how the game is played at this level.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Because whereas Abrey Jones could use his quickness and his
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: brute strength to overpower opponents in college, you're not gonna
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: do that in this league. So it took him a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: couple of years to get to that point. But Abray
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Jones has been a consistent performer since the day he
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: showed up here. I think his cap figures four million
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: dollars next year. Um I would imagine they would be
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: trying to keep him, you know. I mean, not that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: they'd cut him. And four million is a bargain for
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Abray Jones, but long term, have him around here, especially
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: if Malik is leaving. They don't play the same position,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: but Marcel can slide over there, Taven can slide over there.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: To have a guy like Abrie allows you to do
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: different things with Marcel and with Taven and have flexibility.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Abray Jones is a terrific football player, not All Pro,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: not Pro Bowl, but as Jeff pointed out last night
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: on All Access, they really missed his presence in tennis
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Tennessee big time. So yes, this is not to take
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a Deep Breath Tuesday. You appreciate Abray Jones, probably doesn't.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: You saw against the Titans, man, they missed him that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: entire game. I don't yet truthfully for this segment. I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if anyone needs to take I think everyone's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: gonna ah. It is what it is, right, So this
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: segment is just still called take a Deep Breath Tuesday,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: but it could take the last one. Last one needs
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to take a deep breath, the second one. The second ones, Okay,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: we agree with the second one. The worst thing that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Jaguars can do now is overcompensate many of the losses
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: this year. They were in the game. The last game
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Bordles played, there were two interceptions that went right through
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the receiver's hands. Offensive live improvement needed desperately keep. I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: can't imagine the TC is going anywhere. Yeah, I can't.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I can't except maybe crazy right now because that man
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: hates to lose. Um, all these guys hate to lose.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But if you saw the video of Tom jumping up
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and down in the press box during the Colts win,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it shows you how much he loved when ye you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: understand everything about it. Um Before the offensive line was injured,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I thought it was going to need some help. I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: believe that Linder is a good center. I think he's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a better guard. I think he's a really good center.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Norwell is supposed to be an All Pro. He didn't
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: play to that level he's been. He was injured most
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of the year. We didn't get into see enough of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. Obviously a j can. You can't have highly
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: paid at every position. He was a good player. He'll
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: be gone. Jeremy Parnell has passed his prime, is struggling
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to stay healthy, and he's a six million dollar capit
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: next year, he'll be gone. You absolutely need to And
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: if you saw, and and we're going to talk about
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: some of this coming up and agree to disagree, but
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: if you saw what the Colts have been able to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: do with their offensive line now, granted, Quentin Nelson maybe
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the best guard in football, and he's already a rookie,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: right only rookie. They drafted another kid from Auburn Thomas.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: That's out on one side. Um Ryan Kelly, their first
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: round pick a few years ago from Alabama, is their
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: starting center. They're very good on the offensive line. The
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Jaguars need to get very good in the offensive line.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So quarterback is a number one priority, Number two, maybe three,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: maybe four. O line, O line, O line on line.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Because Leonard fer Nets gonna be your running back here
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for the next couple of years, and he needs holes.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: He is a downhill runner. He is not a shifty
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: change of direction, make people miss guy. He needs to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: be able to get ahead of steam and run downhill
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and he's not doing that. Hasn't done it the first
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: two years because there's been no there have not been
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: good holes. Yeah, and you go regarding the Colts, they
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: have their guy, they have their guy, and you look.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: So they went and built around him because they know
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that he's the guy for a long time going forward.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: They had to. Plus, they knew that they're gonna have
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a million dollars in cap room. They can spend the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: money on depense. Alright. The last take a deep breath Tuesday,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and this is a bit of a take a deep breath,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Please keep Westbrook, get rid of everyone else, get rid
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of for Net, get rid of Ramsey, Bordles. All of them.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Make Westbrook a captain, a main part of your offense.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I remember when we drafted the Jags told him he
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: could get not get in trouble. He hasn't make his
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: jersey available to while you're at it, I wonder if
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: this guy is a Texan who favors the University of
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma must be cat ram he Bordles. Everyone keep Westbrook though.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: D's performance on the field, especially in recent weeks, UH
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: speaks for itself. And we talked yesterday with John. John
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: thought Westbrook was maybe the fourth receiver during training camp,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and clearly he is so much more than that. UM.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But what what really speaks to the kind of player
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that d. D. Westbrook is becoming is the locker room.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: How many times have you gone to him and said,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: d D. We need something and he has stood there
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and talk even though he doesn't like doing that. He
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: does not like doing it, no, he said, he told
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: us Uh. I think it was probably like three weeks ago.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: He told me that he doesn't like speaking on camera
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and he gets nervous in front of the camera, but
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he's willing to do it. Well, you can understand why,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: but he's gotten good at it. He is obviously the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: kind of playmaker that you can build around people. Well
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: he's not all that big. Well neither's Antonio Brown. Right,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: get it done. And I don't want to make the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: comparison because Antonio Brown is the best receiver in football.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Uh and dd is in his second year. But he's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: got playmaking skills. And you'd like to think that if
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: DJ Chart comes back and becomes the kind of play
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: or that we think he's capable of being, and they'll
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: add a rookie here or there, maybe Keelan Cole has
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a sophomore slump and bounces back next year. But Deed
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Westbrook is going to be a centerpiece of this offense
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: because he is the kind of guy that you there's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: two kinds of receivers. There's run to catch, meaning you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: run past people to catch the ball, and then there's
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: catch to run, which is the short underneath stuff catching
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: run by people with your quickness. I think Dede Westbrook
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: can be both. Yeah, he is tough man. Some of
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the hits he takes that you don't think he's gonna
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: get up, he pops right back up and Antonio Brown
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: is both, so again it's a bit of a stretch
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: on a comparison. Indeed, he would probably shake his head
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: because Brown is the best receiver in football. But um,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: there are characteristics about him that you like, and Deed
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: has definitely moved up this year. He's also a great guy.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Saw him the Town Center last night. He bought it
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Louisa Tom Wallett for his sister. He told me, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I texted my brother one of my Yeah, is your
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: brother a professional football player? He's not. I think, way
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to go. Good kid, guy who has overcome his issues
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: at the University of Oklahoma. And like him. I think
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: he's made strides and believe in forgiveness. The Jaguars forgave
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: him when they drafted him and said, let's see what
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you do, and he is earning their trust strides on
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: off the field. Um, that's all I got. It's good stuff.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Agreed to disagree is next, and we've got eight yes,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and some of them are going to disagree with the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: last gentleman. I assume it's a gentleman and his comments
• 34:29
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't ever need to hear a word
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• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the instruments, the cello of the piano, the bass drum.
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  Speaker 1: Give it to me, baby, Yeah, we're good. And she
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  Speaker 1: wants to hear Maria here. I don't even like her.
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  Speaker 1: Where do we get carry from? Slynn's grandmother would like
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  Speaker 1: got you covered. Apologies to d D Westbrook sister too.
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  Speaker 1: How did you do that? We realized during the break
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  Speaker 1: that I ruined everything. Well, we didn't say everything, although
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  Speaker 1: But go ahead, okay, agree to disagree, and we've got
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: some good ones here today, some thought provoking ones, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: we will start with this quarterback must be the Jags
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: first round pick in the twenty nineteen draft. And that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: comes from Father Tom Willis, who is the former Jaguars chaplain.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Father Tom couldn't agree with you more right, However, the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: emphasis there is on must and if it doesn't fit,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: if there's not a quarterback in this draft. And I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: go back to two thousand and eleven when the Jaguars
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: drafted Blame Gabbard, right, there were three There was three quarterbacks.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Cam Newton came out in that draft, and I think
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: everybody knew that Cam was going to be a a
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: good player. But there were three guys behind him, Jake
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Locker from Washington, Blaine Gabbert from Missouri, and Christian Ponder
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: from Florida State. And people felt really good about those guys.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: All of them were accomplished. Um Gabbert as a guy
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that came from Miszoo, you know, big arms, six ft
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: five thirty pound guy, was mobile, right, Um Locker and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Ponder both had similar characteristics. None of the three of
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: those guys made it. Right. Locker went to Tennessee, Ponder
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: went to Minnesota, and all of them were busts and
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: all of those teams. The Jaguars were desperate for a quarterback.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: They couldn't get up high enough in two thousand and
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: eleven to be in contention for Cam Newton. But they
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: went from sixteen, where by the way, everyone thought they
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: were going to draft Ryan Carrigan. That wouldn't have been
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a bad pick because we saw last week against the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Redskins he had two sacks in a strip and probably
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: should have had four sacks. But they drafted up and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: they took Blaine Gabbert and they loved the measurables and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: everything about him. Uh and he was a bust. So
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: there's the cautionary tale. The Jaguars must have a young
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: quarterback they can develop, and there are a number of them.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: If Justin Herbert from Oregon comes out, he'll probably be
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the number one guy. UM. But people are high on
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: the Jones kid from Duke, the Greer kid from West Virginia,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, and the Haskins kid from Ohio State. The
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Haskins kid is probably right there with Herbert from Oregon. UM.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: But if you don't see what you need to see
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: in terms of the tape, the personal interview, you know,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the personality inventory scores and you're going to the Combine
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: this year, so you'll get all of that stuff. Um,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: you can't do it. Don't don't take it. I mean,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I feel it, just like everyone out there. You see
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: what Baker Mayfield has meant to the Browns this year,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and what Lamar Jackson has meant to the Ravens and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson and some of those are
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: guys the Jaguars could have had. Right, So you say, well,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: you gotta go get your quarterback. I totally agree with that.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It's the must that I just I offer that cautionary
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: tail from two thousand and eleven because don't make it happen.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Don't do not repeat the mistakes of the past. Okay,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: there's too many good defensive and offensive lineman up high, Um,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and you may be able to get your quarterback in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the second round. We'll see, we'll see all right up next.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: He may not be great, and I spelled great. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: thought I send those to you for you to have
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: copy ed at him. But maybe Bordles isn't what's wrong
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: with this team. I've been saying that. Totally completely agree
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: with you, completely, I get it. Blake is not the future.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Don't tweet it me, Come on, Sexton, get past it. Um,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I get it. He's a great guy and I want
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: him to get the respect that he deserves. So the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: way that he plays, um, he is. He has played hurt,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: he has played tough. He's not a great player. Um,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: what ninety three turnovers? You can't miss the obvious? But
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: he was not what was wrong with his team? Plays
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: best football in December last year. His best game was
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the game in Pittsburgh when Blay when the bend was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: mounting big comeback and he had answers in the second half.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Answer answer, answer of the touchdown pass two oh, fullback?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Why can't think of his name? Tommy Tommy Bohand I
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: was gonna say Tommy Bardell, Um magnificent, You can get it.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: He's not the future. Um, he's not good enough to
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: be the guy that you want. But he isn't. What
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: was wrong with his tan Yeah, he's a small component
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of a lot of things. So went on with everything
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: else went well when the line was healthy, when the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: running back was on the field, when the tight ends
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: were on the field, he was good enough. But he's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: not good enough on his own. Totally get it. Agree
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: with the comment. Next portals of Kessler on line offensive coordinator,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: nothing works, spend money paid Jalen draft Haskins. Hard to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: disagree with that. It sounds like a good system. Here's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the thing. They have spent money. There's spent a lot
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: of money. Hence the issue there. Yes, they have to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: be wise with their cap. Can they get out from
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: being twelve million under or over the cape? Can they
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: get to a position where they have money to spend. Yes,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be decision time. They're gonna to decide
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: on some things. Um draft Askins if he's the guy,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: hard to disagree with it. And they're gonna pay Jalen there?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Will they pay him this offseason? We'll see they don't
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: have to. Jalen's on the third year of a four
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: year deal with the fifth year option because he was
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: a top ten pick and the cap is set up
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in a way that gives the team the leverage through
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the first few years. So you've got Jalen at a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: very manageable number around eight and a half million next year.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Do you need to give that up now? Jalen says, yeah,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I need to, you know, I need to make what
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: top of the market corners make and maybe you decide
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to do that, but you don't have to. And when
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you do that, when you pay him after his third year,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you are giving up the cost efficient fourth and fifth year.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And that's why draft choices are more valuable than players
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: when you start trading, because it brings you in if
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: you if you choose right good players, great players that
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: play at a fixed cost for the first couple of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: years of their deal. So just understand that if you
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: pay Jalen, you're giving up some leverage, which is that
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: fourth year and then the fifth year option. Do you
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: want to do that, especially knowing that you're in tight
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: cap orders every year here for the next couple of years. Tight,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: not unmanageable, but tight. Smart about it. Now. One of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the things that will work in their favor is if
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: they go with a rookie quarterback. Because one of the
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: reasons why they were able to sign last year boy
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: A to the big deal and Campbell to the big
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: deal and trade and be able to absorb Marcel Darius
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: was and they hadn't paid Blake yet. The rookie quarterbacks
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: that perform in their rookie deals give you all kinds
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of flexibility because cheap. Yeah, the cap is a very
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: interesting but very complex subject. Sorely with most of that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: All right, next pay Jalen Ramsey, okay, sege Yeah, exactly,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: and and and and we're giving you the pros and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: the cons of it. Uh. The underlying comment is that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you want Jalen Ramsey here. The Jaguars want Jalen rams
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Ye know, he's a game changing talent and he and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: as I have said for the last couple of weeks,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: he's become much much greater presence in the locker room
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: than just the selfish guy that people want to portray
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: him as great player, starting to show what kind of
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a person he is to just on the cusp of it,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: we got a couple more rolling right along here. Time
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to move on from for net. Another bust of a
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: first round pick, and I spelled another wrong. No one
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: caught that, um so um listen, I'm taken the blame.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I was doing it this morning. He's my fault. Um,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I know how to still another. I just want to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: let my mom know that who's watching. Um, you can't
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: move on from four NET. Uh. You guaranteed twenty seven
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: million dollars. Uh? He was a very productive rookie. You
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: hoped for more. The injury to the hamstring cost him time.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: The offensive line by the time he got back wasn't
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the same. Um. The part of me that says knucklehead
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: is how difficult he has been. The mistakes that he
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: has made off the field. Um, none of them killer, Um,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: but they're not great so good. Look, Yeah, people are
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: frustrated with him. He's a talented guy. Um, there's a
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: chance that he will be able to actualize his potential.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: There's also a chance that he could be a bust.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It's too early to tell. But the biggest part of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: this ash is that they guarantee twenty seven million bucks
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and about half of it still to be paid. And
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: if you pay it, you claim it and therefore use him. Yeah,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they're married to him and they need him. So by
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the way, Um, I think it's it's safe to assume
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: that Carlos Hide is not part of the future four
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: scout exactly. T J. Yelden is going to be a
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: free agent and is going to want to get paid.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: So you're going to be drafting and adding running backs
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and yeah, you're you're you're not going to just clean
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: house and go with new becoming in not with the
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: fourth pick of the Yeah. And I don't want to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: calm a bus yet. I want another year to evaluate
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: with a healthy offensive line and then as well as
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a healthy hamstring. I think it's too early to calm
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: a bus right now. But we understand. You know why
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you're frustrated. And I think there are people in this
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: building that are frustrated with him. Uh that I know
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: there are people in this building. They are frustrating man.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But he is a talented guy and you saw that
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: in Buffalo, and that may be the only glimpse of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the true Leondard for Net that we get this year
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: is what he did in Buffalo in three quarters before
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: he lost his mind, put his helmet on and decided
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to go play referee with his fists. Yes, okay, not
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: good rolling along. Jack shouldn't force their top pick on
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. May be better to trade down as much
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: as possible to collect more players needed it, more positions.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: We've covered this excellent point because there are some terrific
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: In fact, I've seen a couple of mock drafts already
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: where the top five picks are all defensive lineman. Right. Uh,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Whether it's Nick Bose or any of the kids at Clemson,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: At Oliver from Houston, uh Q Williams from Alabama, Jonah
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Williams the offensive tackle. I mean, you could see big
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: guys go in the first ten picks. If that's the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: case and you really like a quarterback, you can trade back.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: You need more players, if you could get a couple
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: of extra picks somewhere in the second and third round
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and drop back and still be able to get the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: quarterback you like the most. Absolutely, as long as you
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: still get the quarterback, I don't think it matters where
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you pick. The overriding thought as the Jags go into
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the draft is to maximize their position. A wise man
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: once said to me, when you stink, stink, and when
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you're great, make great choices in the draft. Be great. Absolutely,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you don't want to stink very long. What you don't
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: want to be is eight and eight, because then you're
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: picking eighteen in the draft every year. So if you're
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be up high, right, you're gonna be high in
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: every round. Maximize that. Either get a player there that
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: makes you better, or use that position to leverage yourself
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: back and get extra picks to make yourself better. Right,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you hope not to be in this position in so
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: maximize it in And if that means moving back and
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: adding picks, do it get her? None? I think we have.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I think we've wanted two more and a shot. Con
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: will not trust Dave Caldwell to pick his next quarterback. Um,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has to completely. And look, if
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: you're the general manager and you pick a quarterback and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: he doesn't become a star, you're under the microscope. Dave
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: gets that. But if you go back to win. Shot
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: hired Tom Coughlin last year. One of the phrases I'm
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: paraphrasing here is that he brought Tom in to be
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: a mentor, to help Dave uh developed and be the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: best Dave he could be. So he's not gonna say, Dave,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you picked my quarterback. He's gonna say, Dave, you go
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: evaluate my quarterbacks. Tom's going to evaluate the quarterback. That's
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: what he does. Room, let's work together to get absolutely
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: but but TC, that's what he does. He is a
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: quarterback guy. I'll never forget going into the trailers way
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: way back. This is well before you were born. Um,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And on Tom's desk, we're six tapes of quarterbacks, and
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I kept looking, trying to read upside down, and he
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: chose Mark Brunell, who is the best quarterback in this
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: franchise's history. And through his his process found the guy
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: that got them to two a f C Championship games
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  Speaker 1: in their first five seasons. Tom and Dave working together,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: we'll choose the next quarterback that that that's what I believe.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I don't see the Jaguars cleaning house, not a year
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: after they made the a f C Championship game. Not
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: with all the injuries that they've endured. Have they made
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: some mistakes? You bet? And for all those that we
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: can list, their laundry list of self reported mistakes is
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: probably much greater than that. But Shad doesn't have to
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: rely on Dave. He'll rely on the tandem of Dave
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and Tom. You gotta use TC to your advantage, without
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a doubt. We have one more and let's grab it
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in our final break. And Doug Marone couldn't get fired
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: any faster. Come Black Monday after Week seventeen. Oh boys, here,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: now you can hear the Homer calls right here. Okay,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I disagree with this. I believe to my core that
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: you ride through tough times with the guy that you
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: believe in. If they didn't believe in him, then that's
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: one thing. But in his first year, let's go back,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: before they hired Doug Moron, they had him on the staff.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: They got calls from San Francisco and Denver and a
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: number of different places that wanted to talk to Doug Morone.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: He was high. I think San Diego was one of
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: them as well, uh Arizona. He was on nearly every list.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: He is highly regarded as a football coach. Again, I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: go back to has Doug Moron made mistakes this year?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I've made mistakes in the show. Of course. You see that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: You see the two slates that I misspelled. Right. I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: can tell you every mistake that I've made. He can too. Um, boy,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: tell you what. One of the things that you can
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: do is just knee jerk this thing. Um. People will go, well,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: he's running a caveman offense. He worked for Sean Payton,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he he has he's done this before. Um do they
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: know they need to fix it? You bet? Were they
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: working with what they had? Yes? Did they make mistakes? Yes?
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Can they exit? Yeah? Now they gotta go do it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: So I disagree with that. I do not believe in
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: creating instability. The most stable organization in pro football hired
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Chuck Noel Hall of Famer in nineteen sixty nine. Right
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  Speaker 1: that was I was, I was one year old. I
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: was probably wasn't even one. It's probably six months when
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: they hired him. Do you realize that in the last
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: fifty years, the Steelers have had three head coaches Chuck,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Bill Kawer, and Mike Tomlin. The Jaguars have had five
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: in twenty five years. So you get the point. If
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: you've got to coach you believe in, and it not
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: what you believe, what they believe. Um. You write out
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: bad years like this, and you look at the situation
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and you evaluate him, which they will, and you don't
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: just say get rid of him and bring in the
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: next guy. I get it. I mean you pay money
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: for the tickets, you hate seeing the losses like this,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the embarrassing loss against Tennessee. I get all that stuff. Um,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: but that that's just that knee jerk, instant hit, a
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: dopamine that says, well, I feel better, all right, who's
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: the next guy. Whereas if you look at it objectively, logically,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you had a guy that got your team where it
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: needed to be without your market quarterback, and go find
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: him his quarterback. You've been through a high and a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: low with him. See what happens next season. Be patient,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: don't be knee jerk. All right, and that will do
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: it for a greeded discary. We'll take a break, come
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: back and run through some headlines and wrap up a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: show that I thought was gonna be a lot shorter.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: And here we are. It's hard even when they're losing, folks,
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  Speaker 1: wrap up. I'll be honest with the idea. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: think the show was going to go as long as
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: they did today. Um, but truthfully, there is still so
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: much to talk about even when you're four intent and
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  Speaker 1: we thought this year that at this time of the
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  Speaker 1: year we would have so much to talk about when
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  Speaker 1: we still do so. All right, here we go rolling
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  Speaker 1: through some check out what happened last night in UH Carolina.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees and Sean Payton one together as a duo
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: for the hundred and seventeenth time they passed well a
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: South Florida combo of Don Shula and Dan Marino. However,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: they are in no no danger of threatening the number
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: one tandem. Do you know what that is? By? How
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: many wins do you think they have? Wait more than that? Amazing?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: But credit Sean Payton for seeing in Drew Brees, who
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the Chargers cast aside when they drafted Philip rivers Um.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: A lot of teams looked at him. They were worried
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: about the shoulder. Peyton said I got it, and he
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: has gone on to the NFL passing yards record one
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl could get another one this year. An
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: m v P guy who again second round pick out
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: of Purdue. Chargers put him in the lineup. He was okay.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: His numbers and Blake Bortle's numbers the first two years
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: of their careers are remarkably similar. They moved on and
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: and they did well. Philip rivers is eight an elite
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: quarterback obviously, Um but Bree, what a story, one of
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: my favorite over the last twenty years for a season
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: for sure, headline number two. Here on a Tuesday morning,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: the the Eagles are still in it. Nick Foles takes
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: over for an injured Carson Wentz. Now a year ago,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: when Wentz went down against the Rams with the torn
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a c l oh, they were gnashing their teeth and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: pulling their hair in Philadelphia. What are we gonna do
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: without Wentz, who admittedly was playing to nearly an m
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: v P level. So all Folds does is go out
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and Sunday Night Football and lead the Eagles to thirty
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: points for only the second time this season, gets them
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to seven and seven. There's still alive. So they're sticking
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: with Folds obviously, because when that that fracture in his
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: back and they're not putting Wentz on injured reserve. They're
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: gonna leave him on the active roster in case they
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: make a little run here and get a chance to
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: get him back. But you know what, why put your
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: franchise quarterback at risk? Folds is the Super Bowl MVP,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz it doesn't require surgery, has fractured back,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: so let it heal ride with foals see what happened,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and Folds is a guy whose name will be bandied
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: about as a possible free agent in Jacksonville next year.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: You can be sure that the Joe Flacco's all those guys,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: but Nick Foles is going to hit the open market
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and people are gonna be interested in him. And I
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: remember we saw him in Kansas City. He uh, he
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: took over for an injured Alex Smith and you wondered,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: you know, how good is this guy left? Yeah? Uh,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: he does as you know. So whence still going to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: stay on the active roster. We'll see what goes with
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the Eagles up next. Todd Gurley questions about him, uh,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: day to day. Now, they've already clinched the NFC West,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: but home field advantage is still implying and there are
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: two games left. So Sean McVeigh would like to see
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Todd Gurley play. The guy has twenty one touchdowns this
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: season and if they're going anywhere anywhere in the playoffs,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: they're gonna need so he wants him to play. They're
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: not gonna sit him, but they don't know he's got
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: inflammation in his knee from the two. He did go
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: back in the game, but he didn't do much, so
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you gotta be careful with that guy. He is having
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: a historic season, a tremendous player for the Rams, and
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: a guy that looked we all saw him at Georgia,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: we knew who it was. If he hadn't been injured,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: he would have been Heisman Troking candidate winner perhaps in
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: his time at Georgia. One final headline um. This is
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: a stadium that you will never set foot in. That
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: is the O dot Co Coliseum, long known as the
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Oakland Alameda County Coliseum, site of his historic games, the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Sea of Hands game, great games between the Raiders and
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the Steelers, and the Raiders and the Chiefs, and I
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: mean some epic battles. It is a dump. It is
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: an absolute dump. They killed the skunk in the press
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: box this year. We played there. Now they played there
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: from the early sixties to the early eighties when they
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: went to l A and played at another dump, the Colosseum.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Then they came back here. We went there for the
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: first time in and after the game we lost when
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Jerry Ball, a round mound of a defensive tackle picked
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: up a Mark Burnell fumble and went sixty six yards
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: for the game winning touchdown. All of a sudden, the
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: water didn't work in the Jaguars locker room after the game.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Shower showers and a five and a half hour plane
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: ride homes l Stinko. It is a dump, but Sunday
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: might be the final game there because the Raiders do
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: not have at least to play in twenty nineteen in Oakland.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: We don't know where they're playing, and we talked about
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: that on this show. Jon Gruden at thirty four became
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the head coach his first time around with the Raiders
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and got a little emotional yesterday talking about the the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: black Hole and you know all that's there and the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: great moment and the great players who have played there,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: but that place will be imploded as quickly as they
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: can get it. It is a dump, Joe dump. The
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: dumpy places in this league are all going away. They're
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: all now palaces. And you know, you'd like to be
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: You'd like to have set foot in a dump so
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the you could see it for what it was. Yeah,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately they don't play in San Diego anymore, and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: that stadium in Oakland is gone and about as dumpy
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: a stadium as there is. And I don't mean this
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: to sound as bad, but you know, Buffalo is kind
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: of a dump, you know. I mean it's not it's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: clean and they've done some things to it, but they're
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: a stadium. Yeah, it's just I mean, compared to the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: new places. Um, and that's not fair. I'm sorry Buffalo,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: um but but but there's no dumps left. So anyway,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I guess that's not a bad thing. And this show
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: is longer than it should have been this morning. That
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: will do it for our program for rockabilly over here Ashland,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: who will be playing Christmas music in her head the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: rest of the morning, for Hey Joe, Fortune on it,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: for Stone Cold in the other room. We didn't even
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: We don't even ask does he like Christmas music? Ask
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: him real quick? Does he like Christmas music? Reb reavers
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: an emotional man. He definitely likes Christmas. Does he have
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: a favorite Christmas song? We're not getting off the air.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have one. Surprise typical, Yeah, not shocking to us.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the day, folks, to play the Christmas music in
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: the cars, to drive around, get in the holiday spirit.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Have a great one.