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S 4 E14 TCWT Live! Culinary Crime Chronicles - Dark Secrets Behind Restaurant Crimes · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Y y yeah, yeah, Hello everybody, how are you welcome to True
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  Crime and One Time Live with Me, JT and Terry. That sounded like
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  one person. Well we are us to say, aren't we kind of the
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  same person? We are? Indeed we are. Indeed, before we get
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  that, while it has been a while, a lot has been a lot
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  has been happening. Hello, Hi, we see you. Uh. I
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  want to say that I'm thinking and sending good vibes to everybody in the Midwest
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  in this in Central America, central North America. You know that area.
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  There's a lot of tornado warnings, big storms, things like that. So
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  if you are in that area, please be safe, please, you know.
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  And and if you're huddling in the center of your house and still streaming
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  this, God bless you. Yeah. I mean, I'm all for being
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  dedicated, but you do not have to take the live stream to the closet,
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  you know. Being a Texas girl, I've spent many of days working
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  in the closet. But yeah, we're not that important. You can always
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  come back and watch it later. For real, I've spent enough time in
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  it, so you know it's not that interesting. Well, I need to
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  throw out a general warning. Okay, Terry's a little feisty today. I've
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  had the littles for six days. They're now gone. I'm even wearing my
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  shirt that says underestimate me. That will be fun. So just warning everybody
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  now that I'm a little feisty, and I apologize now for offending anyone.
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  I don't think I think the community that we're slowly garnishing, garnering, garnishing.
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  That's weird building. I think they're kind of along the lines of what
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  we're how we are, how we are I mean well garnished by margarita.
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  It's yes, So speaking of that, that's a nice segue. Huh,
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  what are you drinking? I am drinking a watermelon mango spicy margarita with taheen
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  and cayenne pepper on the top. It made me enough for three glasses with
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  extra tequila. Ooh ooh, so wait, so that that that minimal amount
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  has extra tequila. Huh, Well considered, I'm already filled up a glass
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  and drink that much. So the recipe called for three shots of tequila for
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  this amount. Correct, Okay, I added six. Okay, gonna be
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  a fun show. We might make it to the end, but we're doing
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  some important stuff first. Don't worry the important stuffs first. That's right,
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  we are doing the important stuff. It's been a couple of weeks. What
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  have you been up to? So? And I've put this out on Social.
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  I don't know if it's been on the podcast Social. Twenty twenty four
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  hasn't really been starting off as my year. Handsome Hubby has had a couple
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  of medical procedures. Of course, we all know that I make kidney stones
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  like most people make bad jokes, and vertigo has been my nightmare. I
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  am taking anywhere from seven to ten benadryls, two to three antahistamines or taking
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  that many drama means to try to function. But the great news is I
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  have had no vertigo in three days. Conwood, Hey, there's a win.
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  There's a win, So my outlook is looking better. I struggle when
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  we go through this hot cold, hot cold. Looks like we're just gonna
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  stay warm now and we're not gonna have any more cold, so I should
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  be good. Yes, twenty twenty four has been interesting. Usually even years
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  are are are good years for me, but it's been something. It's between
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  cars getting stolen and noses being broken. And yeah, but here's my philosophy.
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  We're getting it all out of the way in Q one. The rest
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  of the year is going to be amazing for us, because I'm a firm
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  believer. If your first quarter's rough, the rest of the year is going
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  to be amazing. I mean, unfortunately, I've had the third death of
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  this year within my circle, so that means I'm also done with guests for
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  the year. So anyone that knows me, you're safe for the rest of
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  the year because I've had my three and they come in threes. Good to
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  know. Oh well, I don't know. Brett says. The rest of
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  the year is about to be wild, So yeah, I hope it's a
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  good wild and one that we want to ride home about. Yeah, I
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  totally waved back. We all do sod are good? Before I hop into
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  that, I'm drinking just winking al California mescato, you know, the bottom
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  of the shelf, but winking house decent mescato. Doesn't that like a really
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  that's a sweet wine. Yeah, I know, I don't usually drink it,
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  but it's all I had. I do have over here. If I
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  get tired of it. I do have a small bottle of saki, so
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  sucking it to me. I had bought that for another thing, so yeah,
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  tick off my hand. The little the littles are good. We just
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  got back from from a trip to Great Wolf Lodge, which is insane.
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  The water park was awesome. The Magic Quest was cool. We probably walked
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  a good seventeen eighteen miles in three days in that hotel, most of it
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  for the Magic Quest. Nice yep, and yeah, so uh it was
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  good. It was good despite the fact that you know, Missus Bruce's Crime
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  had a broken nose. I'm laughing because it's gonna be okay. Well,
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  and I'm gonna say, we just need to put this out there. You
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  did not break Missus Bruce Crime's nose, So before anyone throws that roomor out,
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  because I want to say. You know, I had to miss the
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  last recording because I was having a vertigo moment. Next thing I know,
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  I'm getting messages from people asking me about being attacked. Yeah, what is
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  it going on? I know. I was like, I even went back
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  and rewatched what you said about me. Nowhere on there did it say I
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  was attacked. Nobody did anything to me. So I am going on the
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  record and saying JT did not hurt Missus Brute Crime before somebody takes off and
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  runs with it. My GPS will confirm that I was at a soccer game
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  mascoting when I came back to take a break and had five missed calls,
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  and Missus Bruce Crime knows that I don't have my phone on me when I'm
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  doing that, so I immediately called back. Turns out she was leaning down
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  for the small dog to leash him up. The big dog lifted his head
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  connected pity mix with a big blockhead connected with her nose broken into spots.
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  But she had her en T appointment Monday. She had it broken and re
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  rebroken and reset or set on Tuesday. It's a little a little more painful
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  today than it was Wednesday. But she's a trooper and she makes it.
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  Yeah, it look good. I don't know how she does that, but
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  she does, so, Yes, she's good. I mean dogs do that.
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  I mean bear broke Doubleh's foot just by stepping on it, and he
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  broke his foot, so it happens. I just needed to say that because
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  I didn't want to wake up tomorrow. The messages people ask me, what
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  did JT do to missus brue crime because people hear what they freaking want to
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  hear all the time and they will run with it all the time. And
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  I mean, you're a man all the time, you know what that's like.
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  You do it all the time, right, well, you know that's
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  yeah, right, you know it's really funny because we had gone to one
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  urgent care then we ended up being sent to the ED just in case we
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  needed to see t scan didn't need that, which is great. However,
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  I was we were waiting to be called back in the emergency department, and
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  my mother in law, who was wonderful, she was like, man,
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  the same thing happened to me back in like eighty five, and they took
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  me back and they refused to let my father in law back there because they
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  called somebody to talk to me first to make sure it wasn't him. And
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  I was like, this is a great story for me to now be called
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  to go back to and feel very uncomfortable. And this is why I map
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  everywhere I go. It's just like I'm sitting there feeling nervous for no reason
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  whatsoever, and everything I do, I'm just like second guessing myself, like
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  should I turn towards the doctor. Do I look at him? Is it
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  intimidate? What do I do? I don't know. It's a weird situation,
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  despite knowing that I was literally sweating my butt off at the same time.
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  I appreciate though, that they do that, because as someone who was
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  in a marriage that had dispute violence, that is greatly appreciated that they don't
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  just automatically assume that the person needs to come back. But on the flip
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  side, it's also scary as shit when you're innocent, because I hear so
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  many stories of CPS and domestic violence things that they run run rampant, and
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  there was nothing there. So it's kind of one of those necessary double edged
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  swords. I am perfectly fine with them being over careful and asking those questions
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  like I would it totally. I would not have been offended. I would
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  rather them do that regularly than totally ignore actual allegations, if that makes sense,
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  Like ask for info, don't ask to to find reason. But I'm
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  fine with that. I would rather that happen. Oh yep, yep.
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  Kids are notorious for this. Laying down, leaned over him, he raised
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  his head, black eye boom, yep. Yeah, kids, and every
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  time, just one of our littles. I left the house yesterday to go
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  to a meeting. I was gone for two hours, left the littles here
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  with Double H. Came back when the littles got a big old raspberry on
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  his head and his knees all scraped up because he was running with his dump
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  truck outside on the concrete and he tripped over his feet. And I'm like,
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  it happens. It's life, right, I mean I fall walking across
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  the room. Oh no, I mean I knew that, I think,
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  but but oh no, anyways, I mean when I'm having a flare up
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  and the legs give out. The nurse, I mean, hey, DOUBLEH
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  walks in often and finds me either on the floor or crawling like a dog.
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  No, but I look good in matters. You need to get you
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  a hover around. What's that? It's like some of those boards everywhere.
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  No, No, I'd like a tiny motorized scooter that fits everywhere and makes
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  like ninety degree turns and stuff. You can get it around. Yeah,
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  I would do that, just for I'd probably run into the wall and break
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  something. I mean, at least I don't know. Let's consider the source
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  right, but bubble wrap. Oh, I had a girlfriend, okay,
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  I have a family member who popped on Yeah. And I even took those
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  said kids on the they're part of my bone hunting crew and we went and
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  found a bunch of cowbones. So I have really great nieces and nephews.
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  I have to say I'm a little nervous about our chase update tonight. We've
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  got a lot of good stuff, so I won't give anything way, but
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  I'm going to just say everybody really pay attention because there's a lot of crap
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  going on, as you know, and we're going to share what we can
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  and we can't share some stuff, but we're gonna share what we can.
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  I think that's a good segue, and I'm gonna hit this intro, all
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  right, So before I get started, the first thing I want to say
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  is thank you for everyone that has called in tips or sent in tips.
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  We've gotten I think I've said before, some crazy tips and we've gotten some
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  amazing tips. We have gotten tips that has given us a lot of things,
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  as you know, to research, and we're getting a lot more pieces
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  of the puzzle, okay, and we have been able to connect the dots
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  and have been able to link several of the persons of interest to multiple states
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  and to each other, and of course to Chase. That's the whole reason
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  we're doing it. So what I need to say, though, is there
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  are some things that we can't share for legal reasons. We are not law
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  enforcement. We are doing this because we care and we just have to be
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  careful. We don't want to do anything to hurt anyone or ourselves. Now
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  we are able to confirm that there are multiple law enforcement agencies, one being
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  the FBI who who are looking into Chase's disappearance, his connections to the multiple
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  persons of interest, as well as the activities of those individuals. And we
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  have been able to connect the multiple suspects and persons of interest to multiple states.
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  They are not just here in Texas, and they are not just connected
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  to California. They are connected to multiple states. There I will say ninety
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  eight percent of it ties back to Texas, but still connections to other states.
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  Now we also have documentation and proof that one of the primary persons of
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  interest did ask law enforcement hypothetically for their safety. What could they do for
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  them if they gave the information we're guarding to what happened to Chase, uh,
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  which I'm sure I'll agree with me as very suspicious. Unfortunately, the
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  person allured up because he did not like the response he was given. Because
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  they're not going to tell you, they're going to protect you and put you
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  into witness protection until they know what you got. I mean, you don't
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  get to be king for a day if we don't know what you got.
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  And didn't like that, So Layard, well, in this country, you
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  never know. But so we also have documented proof. One of these persons
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  of interest, suspects, whatever you want to call him, called his girlfriend
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  wife We're not sure of what the relationship was at that time, gave her
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  a list of people to call, told them to tell them to get attorneys
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  because they, being the police, are trying to get him for Chase's murder.
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  So okay, guys, it's not funny, but he's saying that the
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  police are trying to get him, so they need to get they need to
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  get attorneys because he's gonna talk or what what is the like? That's the
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  that's that's the infras that I'm in and for Chase's murder. Chase is listed
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  as a missing person. There is no evidence that we've seen that the family
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  has seen to say one Chase was killed. Now, we're all adults,
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  we're all intelligent people. I'm going to assume we're all intelligent people. I
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  like to think I'm intelligent some days that you don't talk about somebody in a
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  past tense or say they're trying to get you for a murder when you're being
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  talked to about a disappearance unless you know something. I mean, why would
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  you jump to saying they're trying to get me for his murder. They weren't
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  talking to you about a murder. The questions that you were being asked were
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  about his disappearance. How did he go from disappearance to murder? You know
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  quick? Which is very very interesting. Now we also have some preliminary data,
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  so I'm not going to share a lot of the details. But our
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  investigators were really working on this hard. But I can say so far,
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  it looks like all of these persons of interest suspects all link to Addison and
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  Matt. We have found a connection to all of them, so you know
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  not you know, and I've said this for I'm not saying they did it,
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  I'm saying they know something. We've said that they know something. We
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  all know they know something. What I'm going to say is we are still
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  researching. We are still gathering information, some of it, like I said,
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  we can't share. I will tell you we have submitted some of the
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  tips that we were able to verify to the Harris County tip line for them
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  to look into. Now, Harris County, I can't say they're gonna do
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  shit with it. I don't know, but we have done the ethical thing
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  and given it to them. Yeah. Now, I just said on here
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  that I gave it to them, but we will not one or two of
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  the tips we know who gave them to us, most of them are anonymous.
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  We will not give that information. We are able to say that we
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  have the freedom of speech and we are considered media, so we do have
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  that protection and we don't have to say our source. Now I'll go on
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  a limb. I do not look good in Orange. I will not do
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  well in jail. But the couple of people who've come forward and given us
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  their names, I'm willing to go to jail and not tell your name.
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  And that's why we give them Jane Doe or John Doe names. And then
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  we delete their name so that I can't remember who said what, because we're
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  not going to share that information. And what I want to say is keep
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  calling in people. We even had somebody who called in and they changed their
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  voice. I will say it was a little creepy voice. It sounded like
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  a little squeaky kid and I found it a little eerie. But hey,
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  do what you gotta do. Call it in any small tip because all of
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  these pieces, and now that we have some new investigators working on it,
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  they are seeing things. Aw, pink is me, but they're seeing things
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  that we didn't see and that other people and so every little tip, like
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  there was one tip that connected like six things and we were like, holy
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  crap, ola, So call in the tips, even if you think it
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  is, you know, miniscal you know whatever. I don't even know if
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  that's a word, minischool. Is that a word? Minuscule? Miniscule,
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  Yeah, that's a word. So it is once again to thank everyone for
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  calling in their anonymous tip. All of the tips are appreciated. And I
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  want to just say to the people who think this is going to stay hidden,
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  people are starting to talk and things are starting to move pretty fast.
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  We have so many things that we are working on investigating that. I would
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  say, do the right thing before somebody comes and knocks on your door,
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  because if you didn't do it and you just know, you can still be
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  an accessory after the fact. So do the right think thing, intel because
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  I am not going to find any joy. Okay, I might find a
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  little bit of joy watching them be handcuffed because they didn't come forward. Yeah,
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  do something before you hear that knock you like, this is the time
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  to work ahead you might not have in the past. This is the time
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  to work ahead, be a good student and go because say something the people
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  that you think aren't talking. Guess what, As you know JT. Some
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  of the people who've talked to I'm still shocked. And the proof and the
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  documentation that they're sending is shocking. And I will tell you people talk.
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  We think these people are keeping secrets. They're not, and they think that
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  they've scared people into not talking. And guess what, because we're letting people
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  do it anonymously, they're doing it for the right reason. They're not even
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  doing it for the reward because if you remember, we've got almost sixteen thousand
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  dollars in reward money they're calling it anonymously so they won't get the reward.
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  So they're doing it because it's the right thing, which tells you your days
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  are numbered. Somebody is going to give us that one extra piece that we
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  need that's going to just bring all of this together. Now, with that
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  being said, we have had some tips come in about this Chase's disappearance in
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  the Suspects. There's another missing person that there's been some talk potentially is connected.
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  We have found the two people did know each other and I'm not going
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  to say his name because I have not spoken with his family. They did
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  know each other. Chase and him did know each other. We have confirmed
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  that this person was involved with a pot farm in a different state that's connected
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  to the one that Chase was working in California. Doesn't mean what happened to
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  them as connected, but there are some early signs that it's the same group
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  of people. So we're still looking into that, and we are going to
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  continue looking into that. So keep calling in the tips, because I tell
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  you it makes my day when I have to silence my phone at night because
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  the calls were coming in at two three in the morning and I was getting
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  woke up. I need y'all to leave a voice smail because I'm sleeping.
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  But I tell you I wake up and I see tipline call, I get
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  so excited because I'm like, oh shit, this could be the one.
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  This could be the one that helps us bring Chase back to his family,
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  because at the end of the day, yes, I want the people punished
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  who did it. I'm sure the family does too. I don't know,
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  haven't asked them. What I will tell you. The biggest thing is we
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  want to know where he is, bring him home if he's alive, or
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  bring his remains home and give him the piece he deserves. Then we'll worry
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  about justice. Right now, you need to be worried. People are talking,
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  so keep on calling me people. I'm just saying, like the assumption
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  that somebody is going to be quiet simply because you leaned over them, Well,
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  I was talking to you. I was talking to somebody today who made
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  the comment. Well, you know, if they told a female, you
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  know that it's not going to be kept a secret. Oh I'm going to
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  make an addition. Oh uh, all right, how did that happen?
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  I have no idea what that was. It was your sign or something wasn't
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  it. It's still okay, wait, sign suspended, Yeah, it's suspended.
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  Oh what was that behind it that just fell? Oh? I forgot.
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  I had put two balloons back there because they were floating around the office,
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  and I put them behind it so that they wouldn't float up. Yeah,
• 28:29
  we were about to change the entire theme of the show, like like,
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  okay, these History channel. This has been behind it for two weeks,
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  So that's funny that it just decided to pop. I was making a
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  balloon arch and stuck them there, so I'll just let it flow. Okay.
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  Do you know what that just reminded me of? Jason Huh? Do
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  you remember our very first time recording together. She's uh oh, the cheerleader
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  mom from Channelview Texas. Yes, and we were. It was back when
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  I had first started the podcast, and I had my podcast booth set up
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  in my closet in my office, and we were talking about my mom,
• 29:21
  Mama Bear, and one of her funeral memory cards came out of a box
• 29:26
  that was closed and we were on video and it fluttered down and landed on
• 29:33
  my keyboard while we were recording. Do you remember that? Yeah? I
• 29:37
  rethought my entire outlook on life that night. I mean it, It's changed
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  the way I think of things about wife and when I think of Mama Bear,
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  I'm careful what I say because she's obviously listening, and she don't come
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  back and get me if I don't watch it always just done. Okay,
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  well that was interesting, But all of that to say, don't put balloons
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  behind your sign and call us because we love the tips. Yes, she's
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  gonna clod up and rain on it. I tell my littles that all the
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  time. So that's what we got. So one last thing I'm gonna say,
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  if you're friends, if there's somebody on here that's friends or knows Addison
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  or Chase, I mean Addison or Chase, Addison or Matt, tell them
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  they are able to call anonymously, just like anybody else. Yep, yep.
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  Shelby's asking for just a quick recap. Oh sure, quick recap.
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  Chase Alan Lackey went missing from Houston, Texas in July of twenty seventeen.
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  He and his dog Champ basically disappeared. They you know, there's been some
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  theories he was out walking the dog because he was seen walking the dog earlier
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  in the day We know that he went with some friends during the day,
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  played softball. The night before, he sent some text messages assuming from his
• 31:26
  apartment. Somebody took him in champ his id, his truck, all of
• 31:34
  his belongings were left at his apartment. And the interesting thing about that is
• 31:42
  the family and friends went into his apartment to look for him because they were
• 31:48
  worried what happened, and they were smart and took pictures. They called the
• 31:56
  police when they went into the apartment the next day. Cell phone had been
• 32:00
  swapped out, some money was taken, some things were changed in the apartment.
• 32:06
  And the sad thing is Harris County never treated it as a crime scene.
• 32:12
  They never fingerprinted the apartment. They they did very little, is what
• 32:19
  we're gonna say. During the course of investigating, found out that two Chases,
• 32:27
  so called good friends, weren't really good friends. They lied to police
• 32:35
  said that neither one of them were involved with drugs. It was all Chase,
• 32:39
  YadA, YadA, YadA. And there's proof. Chase was working in
• 32:45
  the iron business. He lost his job because he was a little daredobil little
• 32:50
  thing, and his good friend Addison said, Hey, come work with me
• 32:57
  in my drug business. You can work on this pot farm. We can
• 33:00
  do all of this stuff together. Chase, it appears, brought Matt into
• 33:05
  it. And then they both lied said they didn't see Chase that weekend,
• 33:12
  and lo and behold, one of them's phone pinged with Chases that day.
• 33:16
  I mean, these two friends know what happened, and Chase is still missing,
• 33:22
  and guess what, their friends are starting to talk in some family.
• 33:30
  So I just gave away a little clue that I probably shouldn't have. I'm
• 33:34
  sure somebody's going to be sending me a text any minute telling me to shut
• 33:37
  my trap. But friends and family are talking. They're starting to realize that
• 33:45
  they want to be on the right side. They don't want to have that
• 33:49
  information. Knowing that Chase's mom and dad go to bed every night wondering where
• 33:55
  their son is and what happened. I go to bed crying wondering what happened
• 33:59
  to it. So, yeah, there's a quick ring. I think you
• 34:04
  mentioned multiple levels of law enforcement are involved now, right, multiple agencies?
• 34:12
  Yes, So in case you want to know, let me get my little
• 34:15
  posted here. The anonymous tip line five one two, five, five,
• 34:20
  three nine four eight four. To be anonymous, you need to hit star
• 34:25
  sixty seven when you do it now. If you don't, we will get
• 34:30
  your phone number. But once we take the message out, we can delete
• 34:37
  that number. If you you know some people have called and they're okay telling
• 34:40
  us who they are. We still even if you tell us who you are,
• 34:45
  we are going to remove that information so that we do not have to
• 34:49
  share it with anyone. Yes, and I'll leave the the number running on
• 34:55
  the banker for the rest of the show. I added sixty seven. I
• 35:00
  didn't know that part, but there it is. I need a drink.
• 35:02
  Sorry, guys, I'm going to just say it makes my nose it with
• 35:08
  the spiciness. At least you don't get the hair. I've had too many.
• 35:15
  I just promise we need to get through our cases because tequila has a
• 35:20
  tendency to make my clothes fall off. So I also have water here to
• 35:24
  make sure that doesn't happen. At least we'll prevent a couple of layers to
• 35:30
  from coming off. Also, I want to say, be a better friend
• 35:37
  to people, right, Just be a better friend. I mean, I've
• 35:43
  had to walk away for some friends. Sometimes you have friends in your life,
• 35:45
  they're there for a certain part of your life. There was a reason
• 35:50
  you met them, there's a reason you connected. Then doesn't mean you have
• 35:52
  to be lifelong friends. You can walk away from people that do not contribute
• 35:58
  it positive to your life. It is okay to say, you know what,
• 36:01
  I love you, I want the best for you, but you're not
• 36:05
  good for me. Yeah. So yeah, don't think you have to keep
• 36:08
  those friends. Yeah, I mean, I know that the longer that people
• 36:13
  are in your life, the harder it is to kick them to the curb.
• 36:15
  But if they are toxic, kick them to the curb. They are
• 36:21
  not worth the stress, the drama, and the insanity that they bring to
• 36:23
  your life. There is something to be said for trying to make something work,
• 36:30
  but if that doesn't work, you don't need it. You just don't
• 36:34
  need it. Nopeah, I mean it just is people. So and if
• 36:42
  you say that you're a friend and you're going to post on social media,
• 36:46
  how much about this person? You need to walk the walk that you're talking.
• 36:54
  Yeah, I'm talking about Addison. You know, we've called him out
• 36:58
  before, all these posts how I'm missing Chase, he was in my wedding,
• 37:01
  YadA, YadA, YadA, And yet they weren't even friends on Facebook
• 37:06
  anymore, and he has all this money, all these articles about being a
• 37:10
  millionaire, he has not offered one dime or one ounce of help for his
• 37:17
  so called friend. So, really, what kind of friend are you?
• 37:22
  If you supposedly are rolling on all this money, Why aren't you given money?
• 37:28
  If you truly don't know anything, why aren't you calling me and saying,
• 37:30
  hey, Terry, hey JT. What can I do to help you
• 37:35
  find Chase? He was my bud. So yeah, don't call yourself a
• 37:40
  friend, right If you do have a Facebook, what I have up right
• 37:46
  now is the account for the group that we have for Chase, which is
• 37:51
  Finding Chase Lackey. If you search that on Facebook, you will find it,
• 37:54
  and that is run by his that is run by his family. That
• 37:59
  is different than the True Crime Wine Time discussion page. Just so you know,
• 38:02
  the Finding Chase Alan Lackey page is run by his family. You will
• 38:07
  find we post and tag them in anything. We try to be good about
• 38:10
  tagging them in anything. And we do have a GoFundMe set up. We
• 38:19
  can post that link. I think we have it, and we also on
• 38:22
  our True Crime and Wine Time website you can buy merchandise and the profits from
• 38:30
  those items go to that as well. It's not a lot because we wanted
• 38:34
  the products to be good quality. I have several and they're really good qualities,
• 38:38
  so the profit's not huge. But if you want to buy a T
• 38:43
  shirt, a hoodie, a bag, get the word out there, you
• 38:46
  can do that or the GoFundMe, and all of that money will be spent
• 38:52
  for rewards or with families permission on things to get us closer to the truth.
• 39:01
  I'm trying to find why can I not find the link? I I
• 39:14
  think it's on I think it's on our web page True Crime and Wine Time.
• 39:22
  If not, what I'll do is I will add it to the comments
• 39:27
  a picture of it after we finished recording, because I know we've made several
• 39:35
  posts because we even have a QR code. So yes. And also not
• 39:45
  going to get religious, but if you do believe in prayers, please say
• 39:51
  a prayer for his family because they are living through hell. And I've said
• 39:57
  it multiple times, I don't know how they are functioning and going on and
• 40:01
  still you know, our leading lives mean with not knowing. So my hugs
• 40:10
  hearts to all of them. They are an amazing group of people and they
• 40:15
  deserve answers. Yes, Oh, are you ready to move into the case,
• 40:30
  says Cas, I am, because we're sticking in Texas. You are
• 40:39
  for sure? I am right. Do you want me to replay the intro
• 40:45
  so we have a separation of spots up to you. Yeah, we're good.
• 40:54
  Good. Perfect. Do you have an intro for my case? No?
• 41:00
  No, then we're good. Okay, So that's good because my case
• 41:07
  is dark and I have always said I will not do mass shootings or school
• 41:15
  shootings, but this one is different because it was early on in mass shootings,
• 41:22
  and it is something that has stuck with me from the time it happened.
• 41:28
  And you'll see that I am not going to focus as much on the
• 41:34
  shooting aspect some of it, I will. I'm also not going to give
• 41:39
  the perpetrator any glory. We are going to call him by his first name
• 41:44
  only he is deceased, but he's not getting any kudos from me or any
• 41:50
  recognition from me. So, guys, this is something that was devastating for
• 41:55
  my home state of Texas. Who is still on drug but back then they
• 42:00
  weren't on drugs anyway. And so Bob Luby opened his first Louby's restaurant in
• 42:10
  San Antonio, Texas. His dream was to serve fresh food and a place
• 42:17
  that was inviting to guests. Okay, guys, I grew up going to
• 42:22
  Louby's with my Ma Mall and I always had fried chicken, macaroni and cheese,
• 42:30
  mashed potatoes with cream, gravy, red jello with cool whip. You
• 42:36
  had me until the jello. However, I'd still eat it because it all
• 42:40
  sounds good. I mean it's I mean even now when DOUBLEH makes me jello,
• 42:47
  it's red with the little cool at but top, because that little is
• 42:52
  what I remember. We would go after church on Sundays and then just because
• 42:58
  and my grandmother loved their liver and onions. So I know, I'm like
• 43:07
  but so. Louby's is currently only in Texas, has thirty eight locations.
• 43:13
  Okay. On October sixteenth, nineteen ninety one, was also Boss's Day,
• 43:21
  and Luby's was extra busy during lunchtime because of it. When George, like
• 43:28
  I said, I'm not going to say his full name, drove his pickup
• 43:31
  truck through the front windows of Colleen's Loubies. Now Colleen, Texas is home
• 43:37
  to Fort Hood and currently they have over seventy thousand military personnel. And it
• 43:45
  is Luby's was right next to Fort Hood. Do not know how many people
• 43:51
  were stationed there then I could not find that. So it was lunchtime.
• 43:57
  He drove his truck through the front windows. George was thirty five years old.
• 44:04
  He had turned thirty five the day before this. Ohoh, this was
• 44:10
  his birthday present. I guess he was born. And I don't know how
• 44:15
  you say it, but Sayer Pennsylvania, as say, why are e Sayer
• 44:22
  never been there? Yeah? Probably? So he was born into a wealthy
• 44:27
  family and had two younger siblings. So his dad was an orthopedic surgeon and
• 44:35
  got called into the military. So then they wound up moving around a lot
• 44:39
  because he worked at different Army hospitals. He did have two younger two younger
• 44:45
  siblings, and George went into the military after high school. He was honorably
• 44:53
  discharged after a couple of years, but he went to the Merchant Marines after
• 45:00
  that, and he had a lot of problems because he was arrested for drug
• 45:06
  use and he was suspended for having racial arguments with people and guys. This
• 45:13
  was in ninety one. I mean. Now, he lived in Belton,
• 45:19
  Texas, which is a little small town next to Cleen, in a house
• 45:23
  that his family owned, so he wasn't paying any bills, and he worked
• 45:30
  a lot of different jobs. He actually quit his job about a week week
• 45:36
  and a half before the event at Louby's. So after he drove through the
• 45:43
  window, he jumped out of the truck and he yelled, this is what
• 45:46
  Belton did to me. Guys. Nowhere could I find anything that Belton,
• 45:54
  the city did anything to him. So don't know what was going on with
• 46:00
  that. He then pulled out a Glock seventeen, a Ruger P eighty nine.
• 46:07
  Those that don't know, those are both pistols. It was not,
• 46:10
  you know, assault weapons. Now, a local veterinarian did what anybody would
• 46:17
  do that has any type of medical training. He rushed over to the truck
• 46:22
  to help this person, thinking that it was a medical emergency. Right,
• 46:28
  guys, I would still do the same thing, but sadly, DVM Michael
• 46:34
  Griffith was shot and killed by George. Okay, now after this, he
• 46:40
  started shouting again, this is what Belle County did to me. This is
• 46:45
  payback day. Okay. He then opened fire on guest and staff of Louby's.
• 46:53
  This is why it gets dark for me. He was selective as he
• 46:58
  went through the restaurant on his shooting spree. Okay, as he was going
• 47:04
  through the restaurant, he was yelling, all women of Colleen and Belton are
• 47:08
  vipers. The one humane thing he did. And I dug and dug and
• 47:16
  dug, and I could not find anyone that could explain why he did this.
• 47:22
  He went up to a woman who had a small child, and the
• 47:30
  baby was crying, and he basically yelled at her to get out before he
• 47:34
  changed his mind and he let her and the child live. I could not
• 47:40
  find I am going to say it's because of the child he didn't want.
• 47:46
  It's the only thing I can guess. So, but as he went through
• 47:50
  the restaurant, he went up to one woman and said you bitch, and
• 47:54
  then shot her. And he saw other woman hiding under a bench and he
• 48:00
  basically said, you're trying to hide from me, and before he shot her.
• 48:06
  He continued through the restaurant, approaching different individuals, and he did shoot
• 48:12
  a man who was hiding underneath of a table. Now, one of the
• 48:19
  guests broke out a side windows of loubi'es so that people could escape. People
• 48:23
  started escaping. So that is something that dude gets a medal for thinking to
• 48:30
  do that. Because I trained for stuff like that. Most people don't,
• 48:36
  you know. So the fact that he had I tried to find if maybe
• 48:40
  he was military, but I couldn't find it. But so yeah, I'm
• 48:49
  going to get to that. It is said that George reloaded his pistols three
• 48:53
  times before the police arrived. Now, during his rampage, he killed twenty
• 49:00
  three people. Ten of them were single point blank shots to the head,
• 49:08
  and he wounded twenty seven other Of the twenty three killed, fifteen were women,
• 49:16
  and the survivors said he went around the restaurant and chose women to shoot
• 49:22
  over men. He shot men who tried to get in the way hide their
• 49:28
  wives came up to him, stuff like that. Now, police arrived on
• 49:31
  scene pretty quickly and they tried to reason with George to give himself up,
• 49:37
  but he refused. He said, I have more people to kill. He
• 49:45
  then was out of bullets except for the one bullet he kept, and he
• 49:49
  turned the gun on himself and ended his life. So this shooting is known
• 49:54
  as Luby's massacre in Texas. It was the deadliest mass shooting in America up
• 50:00
  until the Virginia Tech shooting in two thousand and seven, and as we all
• 50:07
  know, there have been so many since then that it's become to people are
• 50:17
  becoming desensitized to it to some degree because every day you turn on the news.
• 50:22
  Now, a lot of people wanted to know why, why did he
• 50:28
  commit this absolutely heinous crime. He was raised with a silver spoon in his
• 50:35
  mouth pretty much, you know. Friends and former coworkers of his said that
• 50:39
  he was known for his erratic behavior. He was quirky, but erratic,
• 50:44
  and he was said to be a little chumpy and paranoid, and he gravitated
• 50:49
  to rap music that took glorified violence in women being punished. Okay, now
• 51:01
  this is the part that gets me because I think because we weren't as aware
• 51:07
  of these type of things back then, people didn't think to alert somebody.
• 51:12
  But it was later reported that he said a couple of weeks before this,
• 51:16
  what would happen if I one day killed someone? And he said multiple times
• 51:22
  to co workers, people overheard him at restaurants that one of these days he
• 51:27
  was going to have to hurt someone and he didn't really want to, but
• 51:30
  he was going to have to. Nobody called and reported him. Nobody,
• 51:37
  Okay, there is you know thought he moved around a lot growing up since
• 51:45
  his dad was a surgeon in the army, and like I said, it
• 51:50
  was no surprise that he went into the military. But when he was discharged
• 51:54
  from the Merchant Marine Merchant Mariner Marine or Marines, it's marine's terror. But
• 52:04
  he was discharged due to his drug issues. He did complete a drug rehab
• 52:07
  program in Houston, Texas, and at the time of the shooting, there
• 52:13
  were no drugs or alcohol in his system. He was stone cold sober.
• 52:21
  So as the police start digging into because he was deceased, but I think
• 52:28
  we all want to know why, what was the motive kind of thing.
• 52:31
  I think that's just human nature, right. So as they started looking into
• 52:36
  it, they found out that he had stalked to women who were sisters and
• 52:40
  lived just a couple of blocks away from the family home that he was living
• 52:45
  in, and it was said that people knew he hated women and was a
• 52:51
  racist. Now a former roommate came forward and said George's ranting were even worse
• 53:01
  after he would talk to his mother because most of their fights or most of
• 53:06
  their talks ended in fights or disagreements, so leading many to believe that he
• 53:12
  had an issue with women due to his strained relationship with his mother. Mommy,
• 53:17
  she's right. Maybe he saw that woman protecting her child and thought,
• 53:23
  I wish that my mom would have done that, and that's what savior now.
• 53:30
  Like I said, the day before was his birthday, he turned thirty
• 53:34
  five, and he spoke to his mother on the phone, assuming she called
• 53:37
  to say happy birthday, right, I'm going to assume. But police searched
• 53:43
  the home that he was living in. They found no clues, no manifesto
• 53:46
  that was left behind, didn't find why he had quit his job and decided
• 53:52
  to go on a going rampage. Now, his dad, the doctor,
• 53:57
  told reporters back in October, a couple of days after this happened, he
• 54:00
  believed his son had a brain tumor and that's what caused it. And he
• 54:06
  said he hadn't seen his son in over a year and that he didn't really
• 54:09
  know him very well. So there there were several reports that said George felt
• 54:20
  his parents were unsupportive of him, and that his mother was aggressive and strong
• 54:25
  willed. Now. His parents divorced in eighty three, and this happened in
• 54:30
  ninety one, but he was already an adult, right, And by the
• 54:36
  way it sounds, he and his dad didn't keep in touch very well,
• 54:38
  so either his dad saying he didn't know him well because he was trying to
• 54:43
  shy away from it, you know, and not be pulled into it,
• 54:47
  and trying to give himself some absolution. I don't know, but a friend
• 54:52
  told a reporter that he, you know, grew up George, and growing
• 54:59
  up up, their house was immaculate, and that George was so scared of
• 55:06
  messing anything up because it would set his mother off. He said, you
• 55:12
  literally walked on eggshells. So doesn't sound like it was a loving home,
• 55:19
  right, No more mommy dearest kind of right. But growing up, no
• 55:28
  one that they talked to said there was any flags. They said he seemed
• 55:32
  pretty normal and that maybe the changes came after he was using drugs. But
• 55:37
  he stopped using drugs, you know, he was clean at the time this
• 55:40
  happened. Other thing that was interesting. The night before the shooting, he
• 55:45
  had a birthday dinner for himself at a local restaurant. He was watching the
• 55:52
  Clarence Thomas confirmation on TV, and staff and other diners said that he was
• 56:01
  upset about Anita Hill. You know, I think we all know who accused
• 56:06
  Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment. He was overheard calling her a dumb bitch,
• 56:15
  so he definitely had a thing against women. Now, they did do an
• 56:20
  autopsy. The autopsy did not show any signs of drug, alcohol, or
• 56:25
  a brain tumor. They found no abnormalities that could contribute to what happened from
• 56:32
  the autopsy, so ruled out his dad's theory about him having a brain tumor.
• 56:42
  No clear motor has ever been found. Now I joke and say Texas
• 56:49
  is on drugs. I don't literally mean that. We just have some crazy
• 56:52
  laws going on, especially if you're a woman. But the Lubies massacre not
• 56:57
  only changed Texas, but it also impacted our Texas gun laws. So Susannah
• 57:06
  Hopp made a huge impact on gun laws after the shooting. Her parents were
• 57:10
  two of the victims killed in the shooting, and she is known for this
• 57:15
  comment, you can't go up against a gun with the salt shaker. Susannah
• 57:22
  was dining, like I said, with her parents. She had left her
• 57:27
  pistol in the car because back then you couldn't carry it in, and she's
• 57:31
  a doctor. She didn't want to lose her license by carrying it in.
• 57:36
  She said, if she would have had her gun, at least she would
• 57:39
  have had a fighting chance. And we're not going to get into the gun
• 57:45
  discussion, but it fuelled and motivated for her to fight to expand the Second
• 57:50
  Amendments right in Texas. She went on to be a Texas state representative from
• 57:53
  ninety seven to two thousand and seven. And as we all know, Texas
• 58:00
  this is now one of the easiest states to get and carry a gun,
• 58:02
  which is a whole debate for another day, you know, because at the
• 58:06
  end of the day, twenty three innocent people were killed, many more were
• 58:10
  injured because of the actions of this one man. And because of this man,
• 58:19
  I do not sit with my back to the door in a restaurant,
• 58:22
  and that started when I was young, and because my oldest son was born
• 58:28
  in ninety one, and it's why I check out where the escape roots are
• 58:31
  and I check to see if the table can be flipped over. So it
• 58:36
  tells you it changed Texas a lot. And now that it's become a common
• 58:40
  thing. I think it's changed a lot of us. So that is my
• 58:46
  case. And I need more drink, and I want some fried chicken and
• 58:51
  macaroni and cheese, mashed potatoes and jello. Please, I don't have any
• 58:58
  of that. Well, then what good are you? Maybe I should text
• 59:05
  double H we don't have a Louby's here, or if we do, I
• 59:08
  don't know where it is. I may have to look for it. But
• 59:12
  I decided to cover that. I know it's a different kind of restaurant crime,
• 59:15
  but cap I left my bell in the other room because now that my
• 59:23
  mother in law's bassett hown has moved in with us. Every time I ring
• 59:28
  the bell for a drink, she howls and I can't. I can't.
• 59:35
  She got to stop, but I said, I didn't want to go into
• 59:38
  you can go online. They have every step he made within the process of
• 59:45
  what he said to every person as he shot. I wasn't going to go
• 59:49
  through that. I went through a couple, but like I said, it
• 59:52
  impacted me hugely, and I have to say I probably have only eaten up
• 1:00:00
  Loubies four or five times since this happened, And every time I got nervous
• 1:00:06
  and what's that It can happen anywhere, not just Loubies. You know it
• 1:00:09
  was that Louby's fault, but being from Texas and Colleen is a huge military
• 1:00:16
  base and it's a big town. Yeah, I was interested in seeing if
• 1:00:25
  we've covered so many cases now I can't remember. I couldn't remember, so
• 1:00:29
  I had to look it up. But to see if Active Shooter had covered
• 1:00:31
  the Loubies shooting, and they did in episode eight, which was probably ten
• 1:00:36
  before I hopped on board. I'm interested to see if Kate, the showrunner,
• 1:00:39
  wants to do maybe another re recording slash updated info because it's been so
• 1:00:45
  long. But uh yeah, yeah, these cases are always difficult. I
• 1:00:50
  appreciate the fact that you went with the whole no notoriety thing. I can't.
• 1:00:55
  It grinds my gears when their names are plastered over every because they don't
• 1:01:00
  deserve it. But yeah, and they don't get try to do that if
• 1:01:09
  they're still living. He's not still living, but I still, I mean,
• 1:01:14
  we don't know why I did it. He I'm going to go on
• 1:01:17
  a limb and say he had some mental things going on, he had some
• 1:01:22
  anger issues. He didn't deal with it in the right way, so he
• 1:01:28
  gets no excuse. He made the decision, and I'm not sad for how
• 1:01:32
  it ended. I mean, yes, probably everybody would rather him go to
• 1:01:36
  jail, but you know what, it's always risky with our legal system,
• 1:01:42
  right, so it ended the way it ended. I just everybody just don't
• 1:01:47
  do it, just don't know it. My case is not dark, it's
• 1:01:55
  not deadly, it's not any of that. It does deal with the food
• 1:02:05
  of a sort, not necessarily restaurant. But we're going to talk about really
• 1:02:08
  two things tonight. Okay, I have one quick question. Yeah, is
• 1:02:14
  there any rats in the food or roaches in the food? So I'm turning
• 1:02:21
  off my audio. Okay, it has nothing to do with the specific item
• 1:02:27
  of things. Okay, But what we are going to chat about is we're
• 1:02:34
  going to talk about the Coca Cola heist of two thousand and six. But
• 1:02:38
  I am going to give context in terms of what the cola wars were,
• 1:02:45
  which albeit were intensified in the eighties, but happened since the late eighteen hundreds
• 1:02:52
  and it still continues to this day. And I knew nothing about any of
• 1:02:57
  this stuff wars. Yeah, the Coca Cola Wars. Okay, uh huh,
• 1:03:05
  I know nothing about this, and I've gotten really good at not researching
• 1:03:09
  your cases, so am I What I just want to know, is she
• 1:03:17
  hungry because I said that I'm hungry for chicken and macrony or is it because
• 1:03:22
  I said rats and roaches. I just want to make sure that we're on
• 1:03:27
  the same page that you're hungry, because all right, so we didn't start
• 1:03:37
  the fire by Billy Joel references in one of the lines rock and Roller Cola
• 1:03:39
  Wars, and you know you've made it when you're enshrined in a Billy Joel
• 1:03:45
  song, said no one ever so the col Wars. I like Billy Joel,
• 1:03:49
  but I thought that was a perfect place for a joke. The Cola
• 1:03:52
  Wars represent one of the most famous and enduring rivalries in the corporate world,
• 1:03:55
  primarily between two giants, the Coca Cola Company and PEPs. This rivalry has
• 1:04:01
  spanned decades. Its shaped marketing strategies, product innovations, and consumer preferences in
• 1:04:08
  the global beverage industry. I found some stuff in terms of their history really
• 1:04:15
  interesting. So I'm just gonna talk a little bit about both of them.
• 1:04:18
  Coca Cola was founded by doctor John S. Pemberton in eighteen eighty six.
• 1:04:24
  It started its journey in Atlanta, Georgia as a patent medicine aimed at alleviating
• 1:04:28
  headaches and fatigue. Caffeine it does do that. Pemberton's creation combined coca leaves,
• 1:04:34
  a source of cocaine, and cola nuts, a natural source of caffeine,
• 1:04:39
  along with sugar syrup, creating a refreshing and invigorating drink. In fact,
• 1:04:44
  John Pemberton, this is fascinating. He was addicted to morphine and used
• 1:04:48
  the coca leaf as a safer alternative, And in the eighteen sixties, seventies
• 1:04:53
  and eighties cocaine was widely used as a cure all So, truly there was
• 1:04:58
  cocaine in coke. Yeah, for quite some time. I think I always
• 1:05:03
  thought that was a old wives tale. I'm not sure that's what you call
• 1:05:08
  it. Ah, it was very true. It contained cocaine until nineteen oh
• 1:05:13
  three when the ingredient was replaced with caffeine. So so we were uh,
• 1:05:21
  I hope nobody was given their kids cocaine. Oh are you kidding me?
• 1:05:26
  They were given They were given cocaine to everybody at that point, all right,
• 1:05:31
  like they were the opera of cocaine. You get cocaine, you get
• 1:05:34
  cocaine. Cow. How were people not dying from it? Were they just
• 1:05:41
  putting just a little I don't know. I was thinking, were people Oh,
• 1:05:46
  I mean I used to drink twelve diet cokes a day. But if
• 1:05:51
  I would have drank twelve cokes that had cocaine in it, so I would
• 1:05:57
  have died. So there was the and then it got switched to the Cola
• 1:06:01
  nut, which has caffeine in it. So Coca Cola also had the first
• 1:06:05
  celebrity endorsement in nineteen hundred, with singer and actress Hilda Clark, who was
• 1:06:11
  featured in one one of Coke's ads, some of which were printed on tin
• 1:06:14
  trays, which were a big way to advertise at that point. As Coca
• 1:06:19
  Cola expanded its reach beyond Atlanta, it became one of the most recognized and
• 1:06:23
  consumed beverages worldwide. Through savvy marketing campaigns aggressive distribution strategies, Coca Cola solidified
• 1:06:30
  its position as a cultural icons synonymous with American values and lifestyles. And by
• 1:06:33
  that, by by aggressive distribution, here's what I mean. In the late
• 1:06:39
  eighteen hundreds. It was in the States, right, it was invented.
• 1:06:42
  It was in the States. They quickly advanced and moved their some of their
• 1:06:45
  distribution to Australia and then Europe, and then they stretched the globe really fast.
• 1:06:51
  It was like by nineteen twenty they were in different continents, which is
• 1:06:57
  wild. It just wild to me. How did they do that? Back
• 1:07:00
  then? We didn't have the logistics and supply chain that we do now.
• 1:07:08
  Wow. See that's what is so impressive. That's why I'm bringing some of
• 1:07:11
  this stuff up. So, in contrast to Coca Cola's origin, Pepsi Cola
• 1:07:15
  was founded by Caleb Bradham in eighteen ninety three in New bern, North Carolina,
• 1:07:20
  and it was initially known as Brad's Drink, Hey, which I like
• 1:07:31
  the originality of that. It sounds like like a bar's like drink that they
• 1:07:36
  made up for somebody who was a regular, you know what I mean.
• 1:07:39
  That's so let's see. So Pepsi Cola was formulated as a digestive aid.
• 1:07:46
  Apparently pepsi has has is rooted in Greek, which means digestive, which is
• 1:07:55
  wild to me. I had no idea about this, but It was formulated
• 1:07:58
  as a digestive aid in an energy booster made from a blend of cola nuts,
• 1:08:01
  vanilla sugar, and rare oils. Bradham's concoction gained popularity locally, prompting
• 1:08:10
  him to rename it Pepsi Cola in eighteen ninety eight. The name pepsi again.
• 1:08:15
  Oh sorry, yeah. Pepsi derived from the digestive ms enzyme pepsin and
• 1:08:20
  the cola nuts used in the recipe. Like Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola initially
• 1:08:25
  operated as a regional brand, sold primarily at soda fountains and drug stores.
• 1:08:31
  In terms of you look like you might have a question when you say it's
• 1:08:39
  for digestion. Are we talking it's supposed to be like a pepto bismol or
• 1:08:45
  a soothing of your digestive system. Was it supposed to be like metamucil.
• 1:08:50
  I think that it has a lot to do with like soothing. Like sometimes
• 1:08:54
  when you have an upset stomach, flat coke can calm your stomach, okay,
• 1:09:00
  makes it. I don't like pepsis. Maybe that's why I have stomach
• 1:09:04
  isssues. I don't like this out of oil as an ingredient it sounds like
• 1:09:08
  something you'd get from a whales Oh, got it? Okay. On that
• 1:09:13
  note, did you know that people get in trouble for using the oils of
• 1:09:19
  whale and lipstick and it's outlawed. I believe it so, But that's crazy.
• 1:09:31
  I didn't know they Pepsi were made for something. I thought they were
• 1:09:35
  just soft drinks. Mm hmmm. So in terms of logos, most people
• 1:09:41
  associate Pepsi with the circle logo. They opted for red, white and blue
• 1:09:47
  because that logo debuted in the nineteen forties during World War Two and they were
• 1:09:51
  capitalizing on the strong feelings of patriotism at the time and all of you.
• 1:09:57
  You'll notice some of their advertising always has this kind of low key patriotic kind
• 1:10:01
  of it's an American drink type thing. One way or another. It might
• 1:10:08
  be subtle, but it's there. They've kind of kept that throughout. Now.
• 1:10:12
  Coke's red background color first appeared in the late nineteen forties, but it
• 1:10:15
  was the creator's bookkeeper, Frank M. Robinson, who created the script logo
• 1:10:19
  in the late eighteen hundreds, so that's been around a lot longer than that
• 1:10:24
  red color. So nineteen tens, in nineteen twenties. We're going to go
• 1:10:30
  through a timeline here. Coca Cola becomes an international brand, expanding its presence
• 1:10:34
  globally. Nineteen thirty one, Pepsi declares bankruptcy during the Great Depression. Nineteen
• 1:10:40
  thirty four, Pepsi revitalized under new ownership, launches the twelve ounce bottle for
• 1:10:45
  the same price as Coca cola six point five ounce bottle, leading to the
• 1:10:48
  introduction of the quote Pepsi challenge marketing campaign. So that challenge has been out
• 1:10:55
  since nineteen thirty four. Wow, I thought it came out like Brookshields error
• 1:11:04
  or Cindy Crawford. Oh, either Brookshields or Cindy Crawford did a commercial.
• 1:11:10
  So what was out before that? Wow, I'm trying to make sure of
• 1:11:16
  something real quick before I Yeah, okay, don't make sure I had something
• 1:11:20
  accurate. They're not at this point, but I'll find a way. So
• 1:11:29
  that was nineteen thirty one nineteen thirty four. I said that nineteen forties and
• 1:11:31
  nineteen fifties, Coca Cola becomes synonymous with American culture through advertising a product placement.
• 1:11:36
  I will talk a little bit more about product placement later. Nineteen sixties
• 1:11:42
  Pepsi adopts the Pepsi Generation marketing campaign, targeting the youth demographic. Nineteen seventy
• 1:11:46
  five, Pepsi becomes the first American consumer product to be produced and marketed in
• 1:11:51
  the Soviet Union. Not something to brag about these days. Nineteen eighties,
• 1:11:58
  the Cola wars intensive if I, with both companies engaging in aggressive marketing tactics,
• 1:12:02
  celebrity endorsements, and product diversification. Again, we'll talk about a lot.
• 1:12:06
  We'll break this down a little bit here. Nineteen eighty five, Coca
• 1:12:10
  Cola introduces quote new Coke, which quickly becomes a marketing failure. I think
• 1:12:15
  Bells said new Coke sucked, correct, Yeah, And I might talk about
• 1:12:23
  this a little later, but in the event that I don't, I want
• 1:12:25
  to mention it now. What happened. What Coke did ultimately was so much
• 1:12:30
  better for Coke because what they did was they introduced new Coke, took the
• 1:12:34
  old stuff away. People said, I flip and hate new Coke, so
• 1:12:39
  they left New Coke as Coke, but that they reintroduced the old recipe called
• 1:12:45
  Coca Cola Classic, and people wanted Coca Cola Classic back, and they ended
• 1:12:50
  up doing better than people thought, because they thought with New Coke things were
• 1:12:56
  gonna, you know, go downhill, so they spun it to make it.
• 1:13:01
  They didn't plan that, but they came back. Now. I don't
• 1:13:06
  think they planned it, but it's very possible they did. What do you
• 1:13:11
  know what the difference was between New Coke and Coke Classic except for that it
• 1:13:15
  sucked? Did they ever say what they changed? Was it less sugar,
• 1:13:20
  more this, less that? Or was it just so? I couldn't find
• 1:13:26
  anything? And I think the reason for that is because you'd have to know
• 1:13:29
  the original recipe to tell the difference, and the original recipe I'll explain where
• 1:13:33
  that's kept because it's kept away. I drank RC colon tap back then,
• 1:13:41
  so it's the third option. So nineteen nineties, both companies expanded their product
• 1:13:48
  portfolios beyond Cola, acquiring various beverage and snack brands. We'll talk about that.
• 1:13:53
  And in the two thousands, the Cola wars continued with a focus on
• 1:13:56
  healthier beverage options and the international market expansion. So the rivalry between Coke and
• 1:14:01
  Pepsi began to intensify in the mid twentieth century, as both companies sought to
• 1:14:06
  expand their market share and outmaneuver each other. Key developments included the following items.
• 1:14:13
  TV ad battles. On Thanksgiving Day nineteen fifty, Coke took advantage of
• 1:14:17
  the emerging power of TV and they broadcasted a half hour commercial on CBS half
• 1:14:25
  an hour. I bet it didn't cost a million dollars like three minute commercials
• 1:14:30
  do. Now. I highly doubt it might. It might have been the
• 1:14:33
  equivalent, but no, it's a good question. There weren't very I mean,
• 1:14:38
  TV was so new. I guarantee it probably was expensive to develop that.
• 1:14:44
  But I'll have to look for I'll have to look to see if wonder
• 1:14:50
  if the original nineteen fifty Coke ad is around. I'm sure it's somewhere.
• 1:14:58
  Here's a commercial Oca Cola from the nineteen fifties. We could show that real
• 1:15:02
  fast. Yeah, I love this. This is great. I love the
• 1:15:08
  video. Oops, that's not what I want. Nope, that's not what
• 1:15:12
  I want either. Come on, JT, you know how to do this.
• 1:15:18
  All right, here we go. Here's a nineteen fifties commercial. Folks,
• 1:15:21
  ACKed, you'd think I'd ask the whole army to stay for supper.
• 1:15:26
  I mean, how much can a mere fourteen people eat, after all,
• 1:15:29
  just to ham the turkey, the salad, and the layer cake and a
• 1:15:31
  few other things, that's all. And coke, of course, Well,
• 1:15:36
  you needed something sort of sparkling with such a skimpy meal, and we had
• 1:15:42
  to have music. I mean, you wouldn't want things to get dreary,
• 1:15:44
  would you, So just to keep everybody awake, sort of, I asked
• 1:15:47
  a couple of boys in the band to drop over too, and boy did
• 1:16:04
  they want things up. And of course then I had to give them all
• 1:16:09
  coke too to brighten them up. I even saved some coke for mom and
• 1:16:14
  Dad, I really did. But when they came home and saw that kitchen,
• 1:16:20
  well they seem to think one bottle of coke just wasn't enough. So
• 1:16:24
  I have to market for a whole week is punishment, And when I market,
• 1:16:29
  I make sure this house has Coca cola. Everybody's happy when you bring
• 1:16:39
  home the cocaine. Read you so read Coca cola, But you had your
• 1:16:45
  spark. I hope everybody enjoyed that. Coca Cola does not put you at
• 1:16:57
  your sparkling best. That's what why champagne does. Okay, let's just clarify.
• 1:17:05
  You can see though, like in the nineteen fifties, they're starting to
• 1:17:09
  market towards that younger generation around the same time or a little later than Pepsi
• 1:17:13
  was doing the Pepsi generation right that it was adorable. It really was explained
• 1:17:21
  so much of my nineteen seventies childhood. So on Pepsi side, the president
• 1:17:29
  Al Steele, just decided to shift the company's advertising strategy. Now, if
• 1:17:33
  you know Al Steele, you'll know that he was I think her fourth husband,
• 1:17:39
  Joan Crawford. So Joan Crawford was married to Al Steele, who was
• 1:17:45
  the president of the Pepsi co Company or Incorporated. And Joan Crawford suggested making
• 1:17:49
  Pepsi more of a lifestyle brand rather than one that emphasized value and that made
• 1:17:57
  a switch. So our Joan get it like get girl getting a girl right.
• 1:18:05
  So, in terms of marketing battles, Coca Cola and Pepsi engage in
• 1:18:08
  fierce marketing, launching iconic campaigns such as Coke's It's the Real Thing and Pepsi's
• 1:18:13
  Pepsi Generation. These campaigns targeted different demographics, with Coke appealing to tradition and
• 1:18:17
  nostalgia, while Pepsi targeted the younger jen with messages of youthfulness and vitality.
• 1:18:25
  Both companies introduced new products and packaging innovations to stay ahead of the competition.
• 1:18:30
  Coca Cola's introduction of Diet Soul SODA's like Diet Coke and Pepsi's launch of Pepsi
• 1:18:36
  Max and other low calorie options reflected changing consumer preferences for healthier beverages. Whatever
• 1:18:42
  you want this big clothes healthier. In addition, Coke made a big move
• 1:18:47
  that was the purchase the Minute Made Corporation in nineteen sixty. Sprite, the
• 1:18:53
  most successful spinoff product, was also released in nineteen sixty one. Pepsi later
• 1:18:59
  requires are acquired in answer to that, the international distribution rights for seven up.
• 1:19:05
  So they're going back and forth back and yes it is. It is
• 1:19:11
  tit for tat. In terms of celebrity endorsements, Coke and Pepsi have enlisted
• 1:19:15
  them throughout time. Like I said, the earliest one was nineteen hundred.
• 1:19:20
  Who made abb That's a good question. I didn't look it up, uh
• 1:19:26
  Coke Coke did. It was created in nineteen sixty three after the successful sales
• 1:19:30
  of marketing of diet right, Cola owned by the Royal Crown Company. So
• 1:19:36
  ah, thank you Google. Notable endorsements include Coke's partnership with Santa Claus and
• 1:19:45
  Pepsi's collaborations with Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Beyonce. So you know,
• 1:19:50
  like there were even so when I'll give you an example, when the I'm
• 1:19:57
  stopping you, what about the Polar Bears, don't just talk about Santa Claus.
• 1:20:00
  What about the Polar Bears. I'm getting there. So okay, So
• 1:20:03
  when the Super Bowl was in Atlanta, which is the home of Coke and
• 1:20:08
  Pepsi was the sponsor of the Super Bowl, Pepsi put on commercials saying the
• 1:20:15
  real drinks here, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
• 1:20:19
  it's nice to be here. So these are small jabs, right, These
• 1:20:24
  are not like unethical things. They're just small little jabs just because they know
• 1:20:29
  the person's watching it going. Yes, just as an example, I am
• 1:20:35
  eventually gonna have to go. I've heard the Coke Museum is really good.
• 1:20:41
  Yes, yeah, in Atlanta. The Coke Museum in Texas very different,
• 1:20:45
  not the same. Uh, don't get confused by the definitions. Okay,
• 1:20:49
  You're welcome, all right. The cola wars expanded beyond the US as Coke
• 1:20:55
  and Pepsi sought to dominate international markets. Both companies invested heavily in overseas operations,
• 1:21:00
  engaging in aggressive pricing strategies and localizing their marketing efforts to appeal to diverse
• 1:21:06
  cultures and taste. Now I talked about how Coke and Pepsi bought different different
• 1:21:13
  companies. Obviously, you know, I guess they call it diversification. Diversification.
• 1:21:19
  The word diversifications one step off of math, and I don't like it,
• 1:21:23
  so I try not to. I try to avoid it. No gas
• 1:21:26
  math, please, no PEPs no gas math, no Coke math, no
• 1:21:30
  Pepsi math. I don't want no math. So, in response to changing
• 1:21:33
  consumer trends, Coke and Pepsi diversified. Coke acquired Minute Made to Sony and
• 1:21:40
  Honest te Honest Tea, while Pepsi acquired Free Doo, Lay, Tropicana,
• 1:21:44
  Quaker Oats, among others. When Pepsi merged with Freedom Lay to form Pepsi
• 1:21:47
  Co Incorporated, the company used the newly formed partnership to give cola lovers a
• 1:21:54
  perfect companion for their pepsi. Can you guess what it is? Dorito's.
• 1:22:02
  It is, it's dorito It's nice, good job. You were right.
• 1:22:10
  Absolutely, that does not happen often. Are you gonna I'm gonna ask triple
• 1:22:17
  H. I'm gonna call him triple h H. Double H will say no,
• 1:22:20
  she's right all the time. Please don't give me. Two of them
• 1:22:27
  were one and a half. I need no extra, I need no extra.
• 1:22:30
  So I was right. Did you know what made me think of that?
• 1:22:34
  Because Dorito's did those commercials during the Super Bowl with the sexy vibe,
• 1:22:41
  So what would pair with that? The pepsi? That's why I said to
• 1:22:45
  Ricos, Yes, and and this was around the same time that they began
• 1:22:49
  marketing pepsi generation, referring to the younger consumers in terms of mass media.
• 1:22:57
  Product placement was rampant early on. Coke's most obvious example. An earliest example,
• 1:23:04
  high kimbers, I'm not mom, I just don't like it. Yes,
• 1:23:14
  I do, thank you, Yes, I hope you're safe. Yeah,
• 1:23:17
  I mean we need math. And guess what. Here's the way you
• 1:23:19
  do math right here. That's all you need. Keep it handy. Here's
• 1:23:25
  my favorite thing. Here's my favorite thing that happened in math class when they
• 1:23:30
  said you won't always have a calculator in your pocket, Well, yes I
• 1:23:34
  do. My phone has more power in it and does more stuff than the
• 1:23:41
  space shuttle that landed on the Moon. So just saying anyway, So the
• 1:23:47
  most obvious example initially was the nineteen sixty one movie one two three with James
• 1:23:54
  Cagney. He plays a high ranking executive in the Coke Company. So Jimmy
• 1:24:00
  apparently near the end of the movie he goes to he's like at an airport
• 1:24:05
  or something. This is I'm riffing off the top of my head from what
• 1:24:09
  I remember reading, but he's at an airport or something, and he goes
• 1:24:12
  to a vending machine and it's all pepsi and he calls up like somebody is
• 1:24:15
  like, we got to get ourselves here, which I think is really funny.
• 1:24:19
  In addition, Coke's first movie appearance was actually in the nineteen forty six
• 1:24:25
  holiday classic It's a Wonderful Life, where it can be seen on the store
• 1:24:29
  shelves. By the sixties, the Coke actually opened an office in la because
• 1:24:35
  they were featured in so many films. They were there to make sure that
• 1:24:40
  no matter the time the movie was set in, if they wanted coke products,
• 1:24:44
  they would provide the correct ones for the time. Hmmm. Yeah.
• 1:24:53
  In the nineteen eighties is when Pepsi got a few massive product placements with a
• 1:24:58
  mention back to the Future one and two The Man of I've seen it,
• 1:25:01
  but I've seen bits and pieces. I can't get into. A guy that's
• 1:25:11
  dating his mom or his mom's sitting on him. That just creeped me out.
• 1:25:14
  And I am not watching it. Double h gives me for it about
• 1:25:20
  all the time. That just creeps me out. No, not interested.
• 1:25:26
  But while it was featured in both of those films, The Man of Steel
• 1:25:30
  crashed through a coke billboard and ET opened a can of coke and ET was
• 1:25:34
  the highest grossing film for quite some time. So this war continues, right,
• 1:25:41
  It's just like it's it's how big? How big is it? Right?
• 1:25:45
  We're doing a measuring contest, that is what it is. Ask a
• 1:25:48
  quick question. And I hope this doesn't show my ignorance too bad growing up.
• 1:25:55
  I don't know if it's just because my family didn't like PEPSI. I
• 1:25:58
  don't know, they were Doctor Pepper and Coke. But I kind of thought
• 1:26:04
  it was different races drink different products. So like if you went to I
• 1:26:16
  don't know what the terminology is, but back in the day they called it
• 1:26:19
  the Barrios. If you went to the Barrios area of Houston, you would
• 1:26:24
  see this kind of soft drinks. If you went down to the fifth Ward,
• 1:26:30
  you saw this, and then you went to the other areas you saw
• 1:26:33
  that. I truly, until I was a teenager, thought it was marketed
• 1:26:41
  to the ethnic groups. But what you're telling me it's not. They were
• 1:26:45
  just going back and forth with each other. They were going back and forth
• 1:26:50
  with each other for sure. Now, their placement in terms of cultural and
• 1:26:55
  location could have very well been aggressive in that fashion. I don't have anything
• 1:27:00
  that says that it was. But if they saw a population that wasn't being
• 1:27:04
  advertised to or wasn't being provided, I mean business would say they are so
• 1:27:13
  and and you only know what you see and that's what you observed. So
• 1:27:18
  yeah, because it sounds yep, like some restaurants still like Jack in the
• 1:27:26
  Box? Is it Jack in the box? There's someplace they only sell PEPSI
• 1:27:31
  maybe it's stock and always have to say, uh, yeah, no,
• 1:27:34
  could I have a bottle of water. Yeah, because I don't like Pepsi
• 1:27:39
  products. College campuses are rampant with one thing. Right, You're either a
• 1:27:45
  coke campus or a Pepsi campus. I drank a lot of coke as a
• 1:27:48
  kid, and by a kid, I mean as a college student. But
• 1:27:51
  I lived on a Pepsi campus, so they had Pepsi only. And that's
• 1:27:55
  how you get paid, right, PEPSI will say we will provide the things
• 1:28:00
  if you only carry our stuff. Where I work now it is all Pepsi
• 1:28:04
  except for one location, and that's the Ronald McDonald house. They are allowed
• 1:28:10
  to have a coke machine every everywhere else not at all. I mean,
• 1:28:15
  I'm not gonna say it's stupid marketing. I mean it is good marketing.
• 1:28:19
  I mean, and they did some smart business decisions around that, just like,
• 1:28:26
  yeah, there was a time that they would sell certain beers only at
• 1:28:30
  the Astros game. Yeah. It's it's it's it's so interesting. Uh.
• 1:28:38
  But like in terms of this, and before we get to the actual heist,
• 1:28:43
  which really wasn't much of a heist, you'll find out, oh my
• 1:28:47
  gosh, McDonald's is all coke products. Everywhere. McDonald's only coke products.
• 1:28:53
  No matter where you go. If you know a McDonald's, let me know,
• 1:28:57
  I think that their shareholder somewhere. I remember something seeing that there was
• 1:29:05
  some co mingling there. Oh, there's gotta be I mean, like and
• 1:29:12
  and if you don't know, coke tastes so good at McDonald's because it's double
• 1:29:15
  filtered before it's combined. That's why it's so good at McDonald's. So the
• 1:29:21
  water goes through twice. It's like double filtered before it's combined with the syrup.
• 1:29:30
  Really mm hmmm, they double filtered, Like yeah, that's why.
• 1:29:35
  Like when you go to McDonald Donald's and you get a coke and that's flipping
• 1:29:41
  Yeah, that's right, it's flipping amazing because there's nowhere else that does it
• 1:29:45
  exactly like they do. Well, then I'm gonna have to go get one
• 1:29:49
  because I drink diet coke. I'm gonna have to go try a coke there.
• 1:29:55
  Yeah, I mean, phillip half a half a cup, all right,
• 1:29:59
  So let's just kind of sum up by the numbers before we kind of
• 1:30:01
  get any further with the heist. Both companies have seen revenue spike since the
• 1:30:05
  mid nineteen eighties. Coke is primarily stuck with beverages. But because Pepsi diversified
• 1:30:11
  with snacks, Pepsi has a small advantage with stocks. Coke earns around thirty
• 1:30:15
  five billion dollars in revenue annually. Pepsi generates nearly sixty billion dollars annually.
• 1:30:20
  Coke out in this fite that Coke outspends Pepsi on advertising two billion to one
• 1:30:27
  point one billion dollars on just advertising. Yeah, but with that Pepsi that
• 1:30:34
  is including the food. If we took out the free too lay part,
• 1:30:43
  it would be less. Right. Well, that's the thing, right,
• 1:30:45
  Coke primarily does beverages and they're spending two billion dollars. Pepsi has all this
• 1:30:50
  stuff and they're only spending one point one which is interesting, and that's so
• 1:30:58
  inesting interest and the figures kind of bring one to the conclusion that COKEX the
• 1:31:04
  winner, but that isn't necessarily the case. It's hard to say who's the
• 1:31:09
  winner, and it will always be hard to say who's the winner because both
• 1:31:12
  companies have different goals and definitions for success, and there's no way to bring
• 1:31:15
  those together. Yes, ultimately you can do the bottom line, but the
• 1:31:18
  bottom line for them is defined differently, right, So, now let's talk
• 1:31:24
  a little bit about this Coca Cola heist of two thousand and six. This
• 1:31:30
  heist involved the theft of Coca Cola's trade secrets, including confidential documents related to
• 1:31:36
  product formulization, formulations and marketing strategies. So there was a secretary named Joya
• 1:31:45
  Williams. She was forty one at the time. She was an assistant to
• 1:31:47
  Cox Global Brand Director. She was attempting to realignite the Cola wars between Coke
• 1:31:53
  and Pepsi, but like also capitalize off of that within that that vein.
• 1:32:02
  So what happened here, as you can imagine secrecy NDA's product protection. This
• 1:32:09
  is how companies like Coke and Pepsi stay afloat. For instance, and I
• 1:32:12
  mentioned I was going to talk about this, the original Coke formula is locked
• 1:32:15
  in a multimillion dollar vault. Only two people on Earth know the combination of
• 1:32:18
  how to get in, and they fly on separate planes when traveling in the
• 1:32:23
  event of an accident. For a soft drink recipe, yep, it's yup,
• 1:32:33
  okay. So Joya Williams was the daughter of a church deacon and a
• 1:32:41
  Sunday school superintendent. She had worked at Coke's largest bottling factory for three and
• 1:32:45
  a half years before joining corporate in two thousand and five. Because she worked
• 1:32:48
  with the global head of marketing, she was entrusted with sensitive emails, internal
• 1:32:53
  documents, and new unreleased products. She was there for fourteen months before she
• 1:32:58
  decided she was going to come up with a plan to really show him because
• 1:33:00
  she felt like she was being mistreated. So in late two thousand and five,
• 1:33:09
  she was introduced to a friend of a friend. As one is,
• 1:33:12
  named Edmund do Haney, I'm gonna call him do Haney. He was a
• 1:33:16
  forty year old father of three. He had just gotten out of prison on
• 1:33:20
  cocaine charges and was looking for work as one does. Okay, as one
• 1:33:28
  does. Williams told him she possessed a trove of highly classified coke documents that
• 1:33:33
  would likely be worth money if the company's competitor PEPSI, or or to the
• 1:33:39
  company's major competitor Pepsi, but she had signed an NDA and couldn't deliver the
• 1:33:44
  goods herself. I can't do it, but you sure can, right,
• 1:33:50
  so do Haney. She needed a middleman. Do Haney actually knew a guy
• 1:33:56
  as again, one does his buddy, Ibrahim Ibrahim de Dimson, who is
• 1:34:00
  a young white collar embezzler and self proclaimed charmer. And of course they both
• 1:34:04
  met in prison, because that's how this works. Under the alias of Dirk,
• 1:34:15
  which is the best name ever, Dimson sent a letter in an auditional
• 1:34:23
  official Coca Cola envelope addressed to the senior VP at Pepsi, claiming he was
• 1:34:28
  a high level coke executive with extremely confidential trade secrets. And here's how it
• 1:34:33
  read. Dear Pepsi, I have information that's all classified and extremely confidential that
• 1:34:40
  only a handful of the top execs at my company have seen. I can
• 1:34:44
  even provide actual products and packaging of certain products that no eye has seen outside
• 1:34:50
  of maybe five top execs. I am looking to deliver to the highest bidder.
• 1:34:57
  This exclusive offer is only available for two weeks. You can reach me
• 1:35:01
  at redacted Dirk. Uh wow. So two weeks two weeks later, Dimston
• 1:35:17
  aka Dirk got a call from the supposed Pepsi co employee by the name of
• 1:35:21
  quote Jerry and if you've seen parkins Parkson, rec if it's Jerry now.
• 1:35:30
  He was interested and asked Dimson for proof that he could deliver to PEPSI.
• 1:35:34
  So he facts Jerry fourteen pagess of Coke documents almost all more confidential information or
• 1:35:41
  classified highly restricted, and and that it's true like this is they're they're classified
• 1:35:48
  in the same way government documents are. Uh. And he told Jerry that
• 1:35:55
  he needed that Jerry needed to wire money to a provided bank account to show
• 1:36:00
  he was a quote serious partner. Shortly after he received a transfer for five
• 1:36:05
  thousand dollars and that's when the real heist started. So Joya Williams comes back
• 1:36:13
  into the mix, and she's a trusted middlewoman between top level executives. And
• 1:36:17
  she got not just troves of documents, tons of documents, which is presentations,
• 1:36:21
  internal emails, development proposals, but she got actual samples of unreleased products,
• 1:36:28
  including a product that they were working on at the time. Wow.
• 1:36:32
  Right, So late at night at Coke, she stuffed her bag with Manila
• 1:36:41
  folders of classified paperwork and a small vial of a secret product under development.
• 1:36:48
  It sounds like double oas like, but it's all code. It sounds like
• 1:36:55
  true espionage. And I'll be honest with you with how they classify these documents
• 1:37:00
  with the NDAs that they sign with all of this security it is. It
• 1:37:05
  sounds like Watergate, but like Coligate. It sounds like Coligate. I mean
• 1:37:12
  somebody at posts earlier. That's like the Royal family. You can't let people
• 1:37:15
  travel together. I mean, I get business is important, but wow,
• 1:37:23
  I had no clue. Yeah, espionage is what it is now. Once
• 1:37:32
  once she got these, they were passed on to Dimson, who convinced Jerry
• 1:37:38
  to purchase them for seventy five to seventy for thirty thousand to seventy five thousand
• 1:37:43
  dollars up front, or sorry, sorry, purchase them for seventy five thousand
• 1:37:46
  dollars thirty thousand up front, forty five thousand later after tests. So the
• 1:37:54
  two met. Jerry and Dimson met at Hartsfield Jackson International Airport in Atlanta,
• 1:38:00
  as you do where in broad daylight. He handed over a brown Armani exchange
• 1:38:05
  duffel bag full of the goods in exchange for a girl Scout cookie box duffed
• 1:38:11
  with cash. I hope it was then, mint, I know right,
• 1:38:17
  tell me about it. So Dimson left the airport. He got into a
• 1:38:23
  car with his pal do Haney and booked it to Decatur, Georgia. Something
• 1:38:28
  about Georgia. Georgia, Georgia are Apparently Georgia is the place where embezzler's and
• 1:38:41
  uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Scam artists. Scam artists are
• 1:38:48
  from Georgia. Apparently, So Dimsen left the sport shall I got seventy five
• 1:38:54
  thousand dollars. Shall we got seventy five grand. Well, well, well
• 1:39:01
  so, uh they divvied up the dollars, right, two thousand for Dohani,
• 1:39:08
  six thousand for Williams, and Dimson got twenty two thousand for himself.
• 1:39:16
  He didn't even steal the stuff. It was Williams who had the idea.
• 1:39:20
  Why why did he get so much? Leave the girl scouts out of this,
• 1:39:28
  Jerry, I mean, somebody needs to do a better negotiating job for
• 1:39:31
  money on that one, just saying the real payday was happening. Ten days
• 1:39:38
  later, Jerry rang Dimson and offered one point five million dollars for the remaining
• 1:39:43
  trade secrets. Okay, now we're talking. We would be, but Jerry
• 1:39:49
  wasn't actually a PEPSI executive, as one probably could assume. Uh maybe uh
• 1:39:56
  he was FBI special agent Gerald Reichard, also known as Jerry I. So
• 1:40:04
  did not see that coming. Oh here's the thing. Okay, it's got
• 1:40:10
  to be the tequila. This is no. This is how the FBI got
• 1:40:13
  involved. Right. So, PEPSI received the trio's initial letter and they promptly
• 1:40:16
  forwarded it to Coke and they informed them that Coke had a leaker, and
• 1:40:23
  in turn, Coke brought the FBI to conduct an investigation. So PEPSI did
• 1:40:28
  the right thing. PEPSI, you know what, PEPSI did the right thing.
• 1:40:32
  We will forgive them for burning Michael Jackson's hair temporarily, we'll forgive.
• 1:40:39
  Yes, they did the right thing. I mean, most companies wouldn't when
• 1:40:44
  they're going tip for tat like that. I wouldn't have thought that they would
• 1:40:46
  have. We're talking, we're talking what, uh, basically one hundred years
• 1:40:53
  of a of a war and between companies. And they chose to forward it
• 1:40:59
  to Coke saying they had a leak, which I think is just amazing.
• 1:41:04
  So oh, July fifth, two thousand and six, the three of them
• 1:41:09
  were arrested on charge charges of wire fraud and unlawfully stealing and selling trade secrets.
• 1:41:15
  There was a very fast trial, uh to Haney and Dimson were handed
• 1:41:18
  two and five year prison sentences. Uh to Haney said in court, this
• 1:41:26
  should have died where it started. It was a mere fantasy. Joya Williams
• 1:41:31
  initially denied the allegations, maintained that her accomplices had double crossed her, but
• 1:41:38
  she was facing an insurmountable heap of evidence and she ended up spending eight years
• 1:41:44
  in prison. And uh William's lawyer said, it's like something from a spy
• 1:41:48
  novel, which like, if my defense lawyer is making comments like that,
• 1:41:53
  I'm I'm getting a new lawyer. Well, I think it was a public
• 1:41:58
  defender probably. Uh So Pepsi. Pepsi said we did what any responsible company
• 1:42:06
  would do. I'm just gonna say this, Yes, it's it's what they
• 1:42:10
  should do. It's not what they would do. I s excite it should
• 1:42:14
  it's not what they would I agree. Do you think like if if you
• 1:42:16
  think Exon Mobil is going to forward a letter to Texaco because they were told
• 1:42:23
  they had some secrets, No, they're not gonna do that. They're gonna
• 1:42:26
  take those secrets is what they're gonna do and cover it up. Yeah.
• 1:42:30
  So yeah, you know, it's just really interesting. There's been a ton
• 1:42:42
  of rivals that have been accused of trade secret theft. For instance, Uber
• 1:42:46
  Pilford Waimo allegedly Samsung stole stole info from a chip maker TSMC. Facebook was
• 1:42:53
  ordered to pay five hundred million to a VR company in the face of an
• 1:42:56
  intellectual property theft charges. Now they're back in court again. But as a
• 1:43:02
  as an article from The Hustle said, the ultimate question of the time is
• 1:43:08
  are you a Dirk or are you a Jerry? Now didn't and I could
• 1:43:15
  be totally wrong, isn't it Pepsi that there's a documentary that they got sued
• 1:43:21
  about a fighter jet plane or something. Okay, yes, so they did
• 1:43:27
  the Pepsi points. Right where you drink pepsi, you earn points, you
• 1:43:31
  can get things. I don't know the whole thing. I want to watch
• 1:43:34
  it. I just haven't. I was writing this, didn't have time to
• 1:43:38
  watch that. But this guy apparently accrued so many points. He was like
• 1:43:42
  eligible. Somebody in the chat is gonna correct me, but eligible for whatever
• 1:43:46
  that was fighter jet And Pepsi said no, and he said I've collected this
• 1:43:50
  and PEPSI said no. And he said, well, we're going to court.
• 1:43:53
  And PEPSI said, okay, and then here we go. Yeah,
• 1:43:57
  and he's got a lot of kahonas for I watch it. It's it is
• 1:44:01
  good. But you'll see it was a business deal to do it. He
• 1:44:05
  didn't actually collect the Pepsi points. He realized you could buy Pepsi points and
• 1:44:11
  it was cheaper to buy them than to drink all the drinks. So he
• 1:44:15
  got a basically an investor to do it. And then he demanded as fighter
• 1:44:19
  jet thing. I mean, I that sounds sounds like I. I mean,
• 1:44:26
  it was very big calinis. But if you're going to advertise a fighter
• 1:44:30
  jet, you should have a fighter jet to give. Yeah, I did
• 1:44:39
  this, I did this. Is that what it's called? It's Leonard versus
• 1:44:43
  Pepsi co I need to figure out one second here? Now, has Pepsi
• 1:44:50
  and Coke ever sued each other? Does it? Say? I wouldn't think
• 1:44:55
  so since pep I mean, I mean, I have heart fled for Pepsi
• 1:45:00
  because they actually did the right thing. You don't hear about that in corporate
• 1:45:03
  America, you don't. So. I wonder they did the tip for tat,
• 1:45:13
  But did they ever have legal issues between the two? I love it
• 1:45:19
  that look on your face. I should screenshot that it's me trying to remember
• 1:45:26
  what I wrote for this for an episode of Like Brewery, which was a
• 1:45:36
  real story legitimately one of the companies. I'm afraid I'm gonna give it away
• 1:45:45
  and have the wrong info and it'll ruin it. We'll talk to that one
• 1:45:50
  second. No, I know, I know, I know. I feel
• 1:45:55
  like it was this one. So I have to say. The only person
• 1:45:59
  I've ever heard of a name is Dirk as Dirk Nowinsky. Yeah, that's
• 1:46:03
  all I could think of, was Dirk Nowinsky. I was like Dirk.
• 1:46:09
  Besides that Dirk, I didn't know there was any other Dirks. So this
• 1:46:15
  is I found it. This is not that long. However, as soon
• 1:46:21
  as we're done, Brittany, it will refresh. You can watch it on
• 1:46:26
  YouTube. I believe it also saves on Facebook as well, So as soon
• 1:46:30
  as it's done and it kind of processes, it'll be back up for everybody.
• 1:46:34
  Thank you for asking. So in the vast sea of business deals,
• 1:46:41
  corporate takeovers, and maritime mishaps, there exists a tale so bizarre it's almost
• 1:46:45
  as fuzzy as a freshly cracked open Pepsi. Ladies and gentlemen, buckle up
• 1:46:49
  for the astounding chronicle of how Pepsi came to own a Soviet naval fleet,
• 1:46:57
  proving that sometimes the best way to navigate international in the waters is with a
• 1:47:00
  Canta Cola in hand. So in the era of the Cold War, a
• 1:47:06
  time when global tensions were high and the superpowers engaged in geopolitical chess matches amidst
• 1:47:12
  the political posturing, Pepsi found itself eyeing a new market, a market that
• 1:47:15
  would make even the boldest uh, oh, we'd done lost Tiri. She'll
• 1:47:20
  be back, She'll be back, A market that would make even the boldest
• 1:47:25
  of business moguls do a double take. The Soviet Union, the Soviet's,
• 1:47:29
  thirsty for a taste of the capitalist world they'd been warned against, were eager
• 1:47:34
  to get their hands on the sweet nectar of Pepsi. But alas they faced
• 1:47:40
  a peculiar problem. You're back, it happens. I was like, I
• 1:47:49
  didn't know how to come back. So the captain said, Terry's gone for
• 1:47:55
  a coke. So remember when I said that Pepsi was the first company to
• 1:48:01
  have something in Soviet Union. This is what I'm talking about. So the
• 1:48:05
  Soviet Union wanted Pepsi They were eager to get their hands on it, but
• 1:48:12
  they faced a peculiar problem. It was a lack of hard currency to facilitate
• 1:48:15
  that soda exchange. But the genius of the century, the Pepsi Challenge meets
• 1:48:19
  Soviet Naval might. In an unprecedented move, Pepsi Co and Soviet Union engaged
• 1:48:25
  in a deal that would have the world scratching its head for years to come.
• 1:48:27
  The beverage giant didn't just secure the rights to pedal it bubbly elixir in
• 1:48:31
  the Soviet Union. It managed to snag a piece of the Soviet naval fleet
• 1:48:34
  as collateral. Yes, that's right, submarines for soda. So so Soviet
• 1:48:44
  naval officers don their imposing uniforms sipped on Pepsi as then negotiated the terms of
• 1:48:48
  this fleet exchange. Submarines exchanged hands like Kansa Cola at a convenience store,
• 1:48:54
  leaving Pepsi in possession of naval vessels that could make any naval strategists do a
• 1:48:58
  spit take. The Pepsi navy, as it began affectionately became affectionately known,
• 1:49:02
  consisted of a few diesel powered submarines that were probably more adept at submerging Pepsi
• 1:49:08
  cans than engaging in high stakes naval warfare. Rumor has it that the submarines
• 1:49:13
  even bore the iconic red, white and blue Pepsi logo, turning the high
• 1:49:17
  seas into a floating advertisement for everyone's favorite beverage. The strategic value of this
• 1:49:23
  particular naval force remains unclear, but one thing is certain. Pepsi had achieved
• 1:49:27
  the unimaginable, transforming from a mere soft drink perveyor to an unintentional maritime powerhouse.
• 1:49:32
  As the years passed, the Pepsi Soviet naval escapade became a quirky foot
• 1:49:36
  note in the annals of international relations. The submarines may not have seen much
• 1:49:41
  action, but the story itself became a testament to the bizarre twists and turns
• 1:49:45
  that history can take when fueled by I coola inspired diplomacy. So the next
• 1:49:49
  time you crack open a can of Pepsi, raise a toast to the unsung
• 1:49:53
  naval heroes of carbonated conquests, proving that sometimes the best way to navigate the
• 1:49:57
  stormy seas of geopolitics is with a refreshing sip of phyzy diplomacy. Cheers to
• 1:50:01
  Pepsi, the accidental admiral of the soda infused naval history. Uh so that's
• 1:50:12
  like that's your typical hoppy holiday script from brew crime. But it still plays
• 1:50:16
  into this. It still plays perfectly into this. Now, wasn't there I
• 1:50:26
  may be a whyo, so my brain made me doesn't work. But wasn't
• 1:50:30
  there some talk around the pepsi challenge being faked that like they people would pick
• 1:50:42
  coke, but they would say it was pepsi. Oh yes, it's yes,
• 1:50:45
  yeah yeah, yeah, So so that was all it was obviously all
• 1:50:49
  marketing there, I'm sorry, but if nobody wants that no, nah,
• 1:50:59
  no, uh not this time. Uh It's like I'm about to go back
• 1:51:04
  and listen. But wasn't there some kind of at a hullaballoop did you drink
• 1:51:12
  that whole bottle? Yeah? But and alcohol it just went down. That's
• 1:51:26
  hmm. That's a good tad. Uh so yeah, so yes, And
• 1:51:30
  and from what I read this was it was not scientific. Obviously, it
• 1:51:34
  was all marketing. They were going to pick the clips of the people who
• 1:51:38
  picked the drink that they had, and that's that's that's how that went.
• 1:51:42
  There was no but but but I will say this, in actual studies,
• 1:51:47
  people tended to choose pepsi over coke because pepsi is more sugary. It's it's
• 1:51:55
  it's more of what your brain is looking for. I will say this as
• 1:52:00
  well. There was another heist of a coke like thing from a woman who
• 1:52:08
  ended up moving back to I want to say the Philippines applied for a grant,
• 1:52:14
  took that information and tried to use it for the grant to create it
• 1:52:16
  for companies in the Philippines. What she what really worried me was not that
• 1:52:21
  she did that. It was more what she took, which was the formula
• 1:52:27
  for the cans that coke uses. There is a lining within the cans of
• 1:52:30
  coke that coke uses to keep coke from eating the can can. Yeah,
• 1:52:36
  you don't want to know what it does your stomach lining, No, but
• 1:52:41
  it definitely cleans rust off of hubcaps. I mind. Just justification was always
• 1:52:45
  like, if it does that, well, obviously I'm cleaned out. It's
• 1:52:47
  fine. I mean, you pour it on your battery when they're all corroded
• 1:52:53
  and it eats it away. I mean, when I had a heart attack
• 1:52:57
  at thirty two thirty three, the doctor said, with twelve diet cokes today,
• 1:53:04
  you're lucky you still have a stomach or an esophagus, And then he
• 1:53:12
  shows me time. I was bragging that my college like mini fridge could hold
• 1:53:15
  forty six scans of coke and that my roommate and I finished them in three
• 1:53:18
  weeks. But we did. Maybe that's why I gained the freshman forty instead
• 1:53:25
  of I don't know, but you're really but no, So she tried to
• 1:53:30
  steal the secret recipe for the kidd Oh she did, Yeah she did,
• 1:53:39
  and yeah she did. And getting the grant because she got the grant was
• 1:53:44
  dangerous because when a lot of few people who had gotten the grant were investigated
• 1:53:47
  by the FBI because of what they had gotten the grant for, and her
• 1:53:54
  family said that and then she ended up getting in some trouble. But like
• 1:53:59
  that's literally how intense the like classification. I almost feel like Coke classifies their
• 1:54:08
  documents better than the government. It's almost like nobody is taking Coke documentments out
• 1:54:15
  of the building to their hotel in Florida like they are for FBI documents.
• 1:54:21
  I mean, they're not putting them up on Wiki leaks. We're not putting
• 1:54:26
  them up on Wiki leaks, right right, right right? I mean I've
• 1:54:30
  never seen it. So, so my question is, because these are publicly
• 1:54:38
  traded companies, right Coke and PEPSI, yes, do they have the right
• 1:54:45
  to hide the secret sauce? I mean it's proprietary knowledge, it's proprietary.
• 1:54:55
  Yeah. Like the company I worked for that was Healthcare, they had entire
• 1:54:59
  record system that's proprietary that they refuse to sell to anybody, no matter how
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  much they pay them, because what it is is it's safe. You know,
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  it's it's it's localized, it's not online, it's on network, and
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  nobody can really take it over. So that's so, do you think with
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  all of our technology now and if we can track DNA? And I just
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  listened to a podcast about a guy in Dallas who they were able to prove
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  by doing some scientific thing that he's the person who infected eleven women with AIDS
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  based on the Strand couldn't you take some coke and pour it into a machine
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  and push a button and it tell you exactly what the recipe is? Oh?
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  I'm sure you could. I'm sure that's I mean? Or am I
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  just thinking way too out there? But like I want because I mean,
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  if we can, if you can tell every ingredient, if you can do
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  a blood person on a blood test on a person and tell that they have
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  cocaine, chlamydia or that's not a drug, Oh my god, that they
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  have cocaine, marijuana, and means I don't think shame but all right,
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  whatever. But I mean, if they can tell that, how can you
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  not pour coke into something and be told exactly how much of each thing's in
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  it? Oh my god, everybody is blowing up the chat now. So
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  I feel like you can you can do that? But is that illegal?
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  Yeah? I think where the lawsuit comes in is if you publish it.
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  Obviously the technology is there. You could put something in in a thing and
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  pull out the ingredients, but I think number one, you're just pulling the
• 1:56:59
  ingredients, not the mixture and how much is in what and for how big
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  of a volume. But I guess you could do math. Sure, you
• 1:57:05
  could do coke math, which people do. I can't every day on a
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  scale they do coke math. But like, I think publishing it would be
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  like a violation of copyright law, right, I mean, or something I
• 1:57:21
  know I've seen online that people post the recipes for like missus Field's cookies or
• 1:57:30
  Red Lobstersits butter beer right out at Orlando. How is that different than Coca
• 1:57:40
  Cola. I mean, as far as I know, the butter beer recipe
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  is not under lock and key in a multimillion dollar volt But I don't really
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  know. I honestly don't know. I have no idea. I need a
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  copyright lawyer. Okay, I just howled it. There's lots of articles about
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  why people haven't been able to reverse engineer Coca cola and why it can't be
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  deconstructed. So I'm gonna have to dig into that because I want to know
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  why. Because if I can do all these things, I mean, because
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  then you could just make your own get your stream soda machine, get all
• 1:58:25
  the ingredients. You can make your own Coca Cola at home, and if
• 1:58:29
  you wanted to the old fashioned coca I mean, the stream soda has that
• 1:58:34
  coke syrup. It's not the same, but you could. But I mean,
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  you could reverse engineer it and make it yourself. Okay, please do
• 1:58:43
  not come after me Coca Cola. I'm not gonna try it. I don't
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  do math. I was gonna say you were so worried in the beginning of
• 1:58:49
  the show of like stepping on toes or saying too much, and then all
• 1:58:54
  of a sudden, you've totally pissed off an entire corporation. Well done,
• 1:58:58
  you done. Well, We'll see you guys, maybe never again. I
• 1:59:08
  mean, if i's see, we all know I'm not gonna do math.
• 1:59:11
  I have just shot. I mean, people make fake Burkins, they make
• 1:59:16
  fake Gucci this. How has nobody ever done it that? Or Coca Cola
• 1:59:24
  has such a good legal team they shut it down so fast that we don't
• 1:59:28
  hear about it. Oh, you know, they have a good legal team.
• 1:59:31
  Also, when you said burken, I thought you said murkin. That's
• 1:59:34
  a totally different thing. So so I don't know what berkin is. So,
• 1:59:42
  but what's a Murkin? Should I google it? Nobody will let you
• 1:59:49
  know. I'm sure I will tell you later. Okay, I'll tell you
• 1:59:54
  when I'm older. Oh you're going to google it though? Oh okay,
• 2:00:05
  Yeah, a burking bag is not that okay, but it's still a knock
• 2:00:17
  off. It was it is, You're right. Thing I love about our
• 2:00:29
  people in our community. I mean, I've watched Shrek, I have learned
• 2:00:35
  what amercanist. I mean, I have learned so much from people. I've
• 2:00:44
  learned so much the best group ever. So the biggest thing I have taken
• 2:00:53
  from this case is that PEPSI, whoever is in charge, is a good
• 2:01:02
  person. No, he doesn't ever do it. I mean that he's gonna
• 2:01:08
  do. I always do what I say, well, not always, but
• 2:01:11
  I try. He saw doesn't watch Jim in the Holograms. Listen, after
• 2:01:16
  this, I will go downstairs, I will turn on to B and I
• 2:01:18
  will watch Jim. I want you, Yes, I want to do video
• 2:01:27
  yourself. I need proof, documentation. But I, as somebody who's been
• 2:01:32
  in corporate America, I respect that PEPSI did the right thing. And yeah
• 2:01:42
  I I I can't say enough about that because I wonder if Coca Cola would
• 2:01:48
  have done the same for them. Uh, I would hope, so,
• 2:01:54
  I would hope. So Okay, the cartoon good, that's what I found
• 2:01:57
  on too cartoon Okay, Uh yeah, I don't know. I mean like
• 2:02:03
  they they had two options one really like legally they had two options. One
• 2:02:11
  pass it along the coke and say you have a leaker, which they did,
• 2:02:15
  to ignore it and say you're crazy. And just dump it and drop
• 2:02:17
  it in the trash. Right, but if they did that, they would
• 2:02:21
  have found another buyer, right they would. I mean if they were smart.
• 2:02:26
  But they were smart. Dirt didn't really think Dirt one that's smart.
• 2:02:31
  Jerry was smart. Dirk's along the same line as like Ethan, There's no,
• 2:02:36
  it's just not I don't know. I've never met an Ethan that I
• 2:02:41
  know. That's like no offense to Ethan's, you know, I mean it's
• 2:02:45
  whatever. But yeah, when you say Ethan, I think of Ethan Couch.
• 2:02:48
  So now people said I am done with my case, Yes, because
• 2:03:00
  I have a question for the people that are still watching if we have a
• 2:03:08
  potential possibility to do a live meet and greet in the Austin, Texas area.
• 2:03:16
  Would love to know if anybody would be interested in meeting JT and I
• 2:03:21
  in person and being part of an actual live stream in the flesh with cocktails
• 2:03:32
  or fun to take. And I know we would do Q and a meet
• 2:03:36
  and greet. I mean, if if we can make this happen, it
• 2:03:41
  would be fun. I just won't know if anybody's really interested in meeting us,
• 2:03:46
  Yeah, I mean I don't I'll be I'll be going to the True
• 2:03:49
  Crime Podcast Paranormal True Crime Paranormal Podcast Festival, which is in Denver this year.
• 2:03:56
  I am too, are you You are okay? Good? Good?
• 2:03:59
  You think I know that? Right? You think I know that? So
• 2:04:01
  it's gonna be I think I did know that, And I just forgot to
• 2:04:04
  go last year and it was here because I had a flare up. So
• 2:04:09
  they're letting me use my tickets next year, so we will be there.
• 2:04:15
  Brew Crime will be there. It's gonna be awesome. Double duty. Oh
• 2:04:21
  lord, you me and Mike together. That is scary and Amber it's gonna
• 2:04:27
  be great. Oh my gosh, it's gonna be scary. I know.
• 2:04:32
  I'm sad that our true crime podcast is not coming, but that's okay.
• 2:04:36
  They're busy, Jen and Cam but they're lovely. But there's gonna be a
• 2:04:43
  lot of shows there. It's gonna be a good time. Do you so?
• 2:04:47
  I can't remember were you going and having a table? Now? Were
• 2:04:53
  you just going to go? But if you're going to we might need to
• 2:04:57
  talk about a table. We we can definitely talk to them about that.
• 2:05:02
  Or it's it's Mike and I could probably like combine it too. Because we
• 2:05:13
  have done so many crosses. We will put you in the middle and Mike
• 2:05:17
  and I will make a sandwich with you. I mean, we have done
• 2:05:23
  so many crossovers. I've popped on for happy Holidays. I mean, if
• 2:05:29
  we could get Mike on YouTube in front of a camera, we would do
• 2:05:33
  something all three of us. He's just a little bit more shiny than we
• 2:05:36
  are. Yeah, you remember twenty twenty we did the Justice League. We
• 2:05:42
  did the Justice League, and I'm going to tell you, guys, if
• 2:05:45
  you have not listened to our Justice League, you can find an Apple anywhere
• 2:05:49
  you get podcasts. That was an amazing collaboration, and we need to do
• 2:05:55
  something like that again. We do. It was like six shows. We
• 2:06:00
  all brought shortcases and it was really good. It was good. It was
• 2:06:04
  good. But I just wanted to throw that out there. But I will
• 2:06:08
  not be going to Crime con But I am going to the parent normal true
• 2:06:12
  crime events. Yes, yes, it's gonna be a good time. It's
• 2:06:15
  be a good time. Well, anyways, I think that does it.
• 2:06:21
  I'm going to just be obvious and transparent. My cheeks are turning red.
• 2:06:26
  I'm sweating. I've turned my fan on and I need to go take the
• 2:06:30
  clothes off because they fall off with the tequila and I cannot do that.
• 2:06:34
  This is not the place to see a beached whale. Oh my god.
• 2:06:42
  Stop. But you do need to get the bell for Double H. So
• 2:06:45
  you know, I mean, there's nothing better than Double H showing up tequila
• 2:06:49
  and then ah, you know. I did sleep in a tent for five
• 2:06:58
  nights with the littles in my backyard on an air mattress. Last night was
• 2:07:02
  my first night to sleep in my bed with Double H. He was the
• 2:07:08
  smarter one of the two. He let us sleep outside. I can't let
• 2:07:12
  the kids sleep in the tent alone, even though it's a lock yard,
• 2:07:15
  because we have a pool and I'm too Ah, you said pool, not
• 2:07:21
  pole, pool pull. I can't take what if they're sleepwalking and they fall
• 2:07:28
  in the pool? No, I put the pole away before the littles get
• 2:07:31
  here. You can't leave kids around a pool, and you can't leave JT
• 2:07:35
  around a pole. You can't, guys. If we are able to do
• 2:07:41
  the Texas thing, JT will be spending the night at my house. There
• 2:07:45
  will be a lot of TikTok video filming, there will be makeup things and
• 2:07:49
  now that I know about pole dancing. Might have to pull out the pole
• 2:07:56
  pull dance. It'll be fun though. We could give it a try.
• 2:08:01
  We'll bolted in the stealing. It'll be fine. Hey, that's what we
• 2:08:05
  got, double H four. That's his department to figure it out, so
• 2:08:11
  mine for sure. But it was great seeing you. It's been too long,
• 2:08:18
  and I enjoyed your case. I learned a lot and I am going
• 2:08:20
  to have to deep died into the social social Oh my god, I need
• 2:08:26
  to just shut up into thank you marketing that I perceived. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:08:35
  it's fascinating. Ill. I will do my conclusion, I will do
• 2:08:39
  my closing, and then you do yours as per usual. Thank you all.
• 2:08:43
  Take care of yourself for your friends. Don't let anybody doll your sparkle
• 2:08:48
  and shine on crazy diamonds and terry close us out. Stay safe, watch
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  out for crime, and enjoy your wine time because your clothes don't fall off
• 2:08:58
  like tequila time. Bye, everybody,