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Talks to Steven Alexander about his choice of The Green Death (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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I'm so drunk. Welcome back to maggots with a
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blunt penknife the Doctor Who cover free podcast.
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Wow. I did want to say maggots as
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well. We are here to talk about
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episode 3 of the green death. I am here with the marvelous
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Steven Alexander. Say, Hello, Steven.
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Well, hello, Steven. Hello, Steve.
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Stevens Niche Niche, you know how to say it?
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Nietzsche. Mmm.
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Good grief. I don't know.
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I don't know. I the doctor told me I wasn't.
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So I hope I'm not a fair enough, fair enough.
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Well, so we had a really interesting discussion in blue
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so to about the state of the environment and the probably
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inevitable. Direction.
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We are heading in and I would absolute.
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I want to pick that up with you in episode 4 because I think
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you've got more to say on the matter.
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In episode 3, something really really interesting happens and
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we'll skip into it as there's the second half of episode. 3 is
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a lot almost an unbroken run of like domestic relationship.
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Seems That's not your Norman classic.
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Who is it? No, that's very unusual.
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And it's also a great way to fill your six partner because
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it's interesting and it's entertaining and it draws the
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viewer in a way that running up and down.
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Corridors and getting locked up on the moon.
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For an episode, might not be quite as interesting.
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I'm looking at, you Frontier in space.
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Tell me you like front. Aaron space.
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Love front. I love for this place.
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Even if it is just them, getting locked up in prisons every
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episode and then escaping but it just does it so, well, you know,
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right, okay. Okay.
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No. No, you've come at me now with
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Frontier in space. So I've got three minutes.
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What's really interesting about that?
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Is it is? Yes.
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It's essentially the same set piece and that they are locked
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up and then get away and then looked up and then get away.
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But because they go to location to location.
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So that because they go to Earth and it go to the Moon then they
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goes to Konya. It paints this huge picture of
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what's happening in this corner of the Galaxy.
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Why is essentially telling exactly the same scene over and
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over again, so it's clever but there's many six pulses that go
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to as many planets or do try to do as many locations as Frontier
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in space and it's all the better for it.
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And in that you've got space walks and extra Cody and
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gunfights On the South Bank. It's lovely gradually.
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The 0 g in action. Good old We love Godly had a
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dialogue with maybe I would die. Okay, I gave him my biggest
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banana, but you would wouldn't you.
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It's followed that down quick. I'll tell you sorry.
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I'm sorry. I'm sorry afterwards.
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If you've come around there's a little bit now, you know you are
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you are No Sex. Please were British and survival
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asshole. You drop one about mushrooms and
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episode. While the don't think I didn't
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It was a good to say, I've probably got our first you are
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defending Frontier in space. I was, you know, I was going to
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say there's even space in Frontier in space, for I think
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he said, so for, but for extended dialogue saying there's
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no there's a doctor Master Joe Graham episode, isn't it?
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Weighs just a spaceship and it's wonderful.
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It's so good. What I was going to ask you is
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that the sort of the domestic angle to this.
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I know it's essential because we're writing out show So, it's
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allowing that relationship between her and the professor's
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deepen. Do you think this is an
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inevitable like consequence of having a recurring cast that we
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keep coming back to what the, the we have to have scenes with
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them to deal with them and then being written out or we'll just
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just just like extended character sings In general
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because, like, in let you know, in usual in classic.
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Oh, you, yeah, you go from story to story and that it's just
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between the regular. As in the Tardis.
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Yeah, there seems to take place. Where, as we keep coming back to
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work. We keep them out of the
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Brigadier and Yates of Benton. Yep, and the unit family, like
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it's like the rusty Davis here with Jackie and Mickey and
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things like that, you know, inevitably as those those
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relationships deepen over time. Yeah, I think also, the reason
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we keep seeing the reason we have these scenes is because the
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audience loved we loved the Brigadier, we love Well, we
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like, yeah, it's we love Benson. We love the doctor.
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We love Joe, and we love to spend time with them.
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And I think Barry. Letts loves them as well, and
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he's right too. And he's right to bring the back
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because it just makes it so. So relatable.
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Do you think it's so much fun? It happened for long enough and
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was dropped at the right point. I is this impossibility of
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imagining a companion carrying on longer than they did.
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Did like imagining joke Grand in the next series?
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I can imagine anyone Stirrup open, but it's only because, of
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course, upon of them. I can't imagine are driving like
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invasion of the dinosaurs like Sarah does.
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No, no Sarah brings a whole different energy to it.
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And I bet even the writing changes.
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Doesn't it? Even the, the way, the
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characters? I think the story changes so
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yes, it's is very different. And you know, it's nice.
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I'm sorry. This is all goodbye to them.
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This is a this one song. You know, this is the end of the
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classic. I mean, well, we've already have
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the end of the first unit area of because all that would be the
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time monster where you get the Brigadier the master and Joe.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's happened to they're all in that one.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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We're as Frontier in space. Obviously.
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You don't get unit and in here you don't get Get the master.
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Yeah, I'm sure the most is behind all this business with
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global chemicals, though. He's bound to turn up and show
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his hand before too long. Well, someone was pumping
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information into Stevens his head, you know, yeah.
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Hypnotism. That's a key traits of the last
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it's got to be one. Interesting, is that you say
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about the unit family? Interesting about this is is it
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establishes? We have the Brigadier but
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establishes all of the guest characters in the first three
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episodes. We don't see Yates invented
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until the latter half of the story, do we?
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Yeah. Yeah, I only is the Brigadier
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and his civvies which gives a it just makes the whole thing feel
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completely different. These just like their as as a
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civilian role than Melissa in this Brigadier wrong.
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Stevie's. Love you smoking on a cigar
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guzzling down, whiskey, eating his corn and pretending it's
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beef. Oh, well, that's a class thing.
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You see? Because the real owner - yeah.
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Well, we'll get, we'll get there when we get to it, but it's
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okay. Well, let's skip into this, you
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know, unusual episode 3 and see what we find.
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Let's go. Oh, five, four, three, two, one.
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Let's go. Clicking play.
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There we go. Oh, I forgot where we left off.
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It's been so long. It's been a whole day since we
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last. Watch this.
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I'm sure there's something going on with my goats, giant maggots.
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How the fuck did I forget that? Okay.
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Is there, is this like the quintessential 70s Doctor Who
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Cliffhanger? Well, they completely randomly
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get sorted by magnets in a way that actually they couldn't
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possibly happen. But yeah, in terms of it being a
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memorable moment that stuck in the public Consciousness.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well people Always talk about but people who always talk about
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the one with the giant maggots, don't they are indeed.
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I don't know II. Don't think anyone's ever said.
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Oh, I remember that but then then it was on bbc2 in the 90s,
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wasn't it worth? Yeah.
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I remember watching this as flowers.
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I was transfixed and I was desperate to see more John
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poetry as well. Yeah.
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On the time because we'd had a few vhsl and then this this came
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out actually on the Telly was on a Sunday, wasn't it was It.
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We don't want it. Was it the BBC to repeat?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I thought it was on the clock because they did, they did
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double bills and they started with a bird.
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We're here in the solarians killed it off.
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Basically, what? So do tonight and they didn't
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know, I've got a question for you about the job who we are as
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a whole. And I know I went there and I
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God bless, very different question.
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And that is traditionally I think fan that General fan
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consensus. Is it started out very strong in
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serious? Season 7.
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Yeah. And calm season 11.
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It's looking a bit tired and that it kind of lost its way as
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it went along. Now.
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I don't agree with that opinion at all.
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I think season 10 is actually my favorite pieces and I do
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re-season 11 as well. What?
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You think? The tone changes quite a lot,
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doesn't it? I mean, that that is undeniable.
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And for people who like their because, I like all kinds of
10:32
doctor. All right, serious.
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Grown-up talk to you. And I like fun Doctor Who and I
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think the Pertwee era makes this a cardinal sin of going from
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being very serious. It's do watching in a bit of
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itself and then just becomes a jolly old wrong with crazy
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people running around in psychedelic costumes.
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You know just like nificent. Are you knocking on season 7?
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Then I love season 7. I love the tone and the
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atmosphere of it. But you know, I don't.
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I also like the other the other approach.
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I like the we get Bo. I like the we get Jon Pertwee
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doing is serious drama with this small hair.
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Yeah, the small hair. And then later on he gets the
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huge hair and it's like yeah, we're having a bit of fun.
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Now, Capaldi card have an original idea because he Exactly
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the same Journey. Didn't he hair-wise?
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At least? Yeah, but that's one of the
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things I love about him. Oh my word.
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Okay. I'll talk to you about overly
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ambitious effects earlier. Look at this.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all of that was like, that
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was like my freezer that time crawling with what in real life
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or in this. Yeah, my goodness.
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Yeah, absolutely. No, because we had to watch
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school. We have to watch footage of a
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Maga like sucking blood, you know where they were.
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I would put them on the wounds and the maggot would suck out
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the infection and all the blood. Oh, it was and they will and
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they were all like fat and red and nasty afterwards.
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Oh my God, it just was, oh, I can't remember where I read
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this. It might have been doing the
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extras for this, but I'm a good Breeze through it arse, and
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that's so that it can continue eating, get his face right in
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the food and carry on eating and not have to worry about
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breathing because it reads through its back end.
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Yes. It was on the comments.
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You know, on the production notes of this, that is the first
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time that someone's mentioned, an arse on this commentary,
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where I literally am speechless. I have nothing to say to that
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good. Okay,
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that's true. She was she was asking.
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Or in the time where I went, she went to that great spider.
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Well to take a slightly okay, pushing it kind of Freudian
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perspective on this sort of theory and looking at parallels
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between Planet the spiders and the green death here.
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So we have the green death, where the maggots represents the
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male phallus. And then we have Planet.
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The spiders with a spider in some sense represents the female
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genitalia. And so you've got that kind of
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male and female mix which is that's just bollocks, isn't it?
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Is that bollocks? I don't know.
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It's super interesting. I've never heard of it.
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Just leads me to believe that Barrel X is far more interested
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in penises and vaginas. And I previously, 400 everyone
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in television. I mean why all the cows Barry
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Letts was like, a very stable creative force during this time,
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and I think you can see it across the era and it is hugely
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competent. Like, I don't think there are
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many areas of Doctor Who You can say, as a whole they're very
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competent television, always very watchable.
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And I know that as a writer, I think he's Wittier than people
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give him credit. Oh, we see, it's always a
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pleasure to like in this era. I think some of the stuff he
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wrote later when you get the ghost of Ben's face, Paradise of
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death island of death. Did you read that one?
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Oh, no. But I did love that.
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I want the last thing they did together.
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The last with the road together, with Terrance, dicks and Barry.
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Let's was called The Deadly Ryu. I bet, I right Justin Richards,
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impose that title upon them. But but I do think there's an
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energy to his dialogue when there's a naturalism to it as
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well. And weirdly enough, the one
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story where that's completely absent.
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It's the time on Star where no one talks naturalistically at
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all, but all the other stories, I think there's plenty of
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naturalistic dialogue in the demons in this and in Planet of
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the spiders as well. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of
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a lot of people say on with television things like the magic
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roundabout in the prisoner and they say, oh they must have been
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on drugs when they wrote this. When clearly if you're on drugs,
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you never to get get a television program written or
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Matthew to. I think they probably we're
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alone drugs when they did the time monster.
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Well Barry Letts I would be if I was wowed.
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And it was about it was about a year before he died and and I
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said to him, you know, we've really enjoyed her and me it's
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fantastic. Love it.
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We're looking forward to, you know, I hopefully you'll get to
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do the next the next section and we'd love it.
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If you got on and I'd love to, I'd love to have heard him talk
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about doing the classic cereals and the Dickens are the
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patient's we would later on, but and then he just said, no.
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Well, I don't think that's going to be another one now and the
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wife and just look after each other.
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Oh, it's just That's all right. You know, I got a friend right
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who adores, very less so much and thinks that he's such a, you
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know, like a balancing force that he stopped in life moments.
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And it says, what would Barry? Let's do a good plan.
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Oh here. We have Jeremy, thought about to
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speak to you about speak to the Brigadier.
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And what is it was a good size of the Brigadier is, no, you
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can't have your national insurance card back.
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What? Excited about the green party,
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getting in all the liberal rule. Well, go with liberals STP.
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I can never remember. Don't you know what the green
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pie got in him Brian, didn't they do?
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This has been invited. It's possible.
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Yeah, down south. They've got, they've got a
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foothold a toehold but he says in the commentary Barry Letts
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that this was a, you know, a deliberate suggestion that the
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Liberals will get it in the seventies.
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I mean, I was ever the case or it was ever going to be the
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case, but it Thinking on his part.
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Yeah, Norman Scott. Put a stop to that.
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Didn't he? Do you remember a very English
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Scandal Joe? What the rusty?
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Davis one? Yeah, my God, freaking amazing.
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What a great piece of drama. That was.
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That's it. That's it.
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That's this guy. Anyway, yes, jolly good, um, but
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very different, very different version in that one though.
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I have to say, then Rusty Davis. It was going to be worth it.
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Oh, well, he brought and then we shall bloody hell, so, I just
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wanted to talk about Also and how the Brigadier is part of the
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system here. And oh my God, I'm sorry.
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I thought you were talking about the TV show class and I want to
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talk about that. Please don't talk about that.
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Okay, sorry, the class system, the class system off, you go
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little sister. So what is it?
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It's sort of the upper working class.
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The managerial class that the Brigadier just sits in nicely
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and he's part of that club and he goes, he goes to all the
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clubs and speaks to all that. He has the cigars and the
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whiskey with the switch. Stevens and stuff.
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And this is just part of that set.
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Isn't it? Yeah.
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In what's very much. Isn't there an inference as well
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though? Earlier on, in charge of holies
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time that the doctor wrong, sort of law is getting into your
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system. I will tubby, I said, in the
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club now, do you think that the Third Doctor during his Exile on
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Earth? Wendy was wormed his way into
19:02
the corridors of power and did go to these clubs and have
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whines. How's it going her way?
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Yeah, he was a conservative foreign for I'll tell you, that
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least doctor. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah, he joined the
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establishment right away. Look at him and they are the
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Daleks. He's well at home.
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In Our Stars is seller as me guzzling down.
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Wine and cheese. Yeah, but he still manages to be
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a rebel, doesn't he still manages to turn things on their
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head? And he's quite happy to call
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that bullshit. Well, I can't quite
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controversial now. That would be impossible but the
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concerns and attitudes in the way they view life.
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I think Lee does more harm than it does good.
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And I do agree with that. And I do think, you know, each
20:01
party's sort of ethics and and the They're trying to push the
20:08
country. It's very different.
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However, I do feel and I as I'm getting older, I'm getting more
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cynical about it. Whichever party is in there.
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They'll take from the people in one arm and they'll give to them
20:20
with the other. And they do about as much good
20:22
as each other regardless, as to what what their opinions are as
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to how things should be. Yeah.
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It's a bit messy. That's what I'm saying.
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It's a little bit messy and they all make good choices and we'll
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make crap choices. I think when labor getting they
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tend to stern warning of the north.
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I think that's the main difference.
20:40
Obviously, you can I just say this is a doctor who story.
20:43
Yeah, that is encouraging you and I to talk about politics
20:47
environmentalism the phallic monsters and Jon Pertwee.
20:52
I mean, it's got everything. Well, this just things I worry
20:55
about all the time. I've got cooked up for six
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episodes. Oh my.
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Oh my, oh, my concern support. Is it going to come out you
21:01
worried about fight monsters all the time.
21:03
Well, actually, there is a growing Concerned.
21:05
Did you see that? That masking evolution of the
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Daleks? Oh, hi all what o the sick
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mollusk Jesus Christ. Oh, very good growing concern.
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It gives a new meaning to the term wet willy than it is right.
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Now. What's going on the green death?
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So they're just kind of big dick.
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Just crawled up a big shelf and be rescued by this guy here.
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And now they're going to flush this flush.
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The shaft with green goop. What's has excising?
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Oh my God. Yes, Twitter made very good.
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Use of that, clip, and misappropriated it several times
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for various things turning up in the tubes to terrify called
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Gladys. It's very good to have a look at
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that. I think Joe is cuddling up to
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the doctor here, which is lovely to see.
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I voted against that. So, yeah, but like, she's like
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she's survived a near-death experience in the mine shaft.
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Then climbed down then, you know, lost the put their her
22:24
companion in the tunnels and then been menaced by giant
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maggots. I think if she wants to play the
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victim at this point, I would be cuddling up to John poetry.
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That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's a pretty harrowing
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experience, actually. Just, I mean, like, have you
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ever been down a mine shaft? And also really, really?
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Yeah, there's no way I can phrase.
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That is their location where they have done mining where
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you've had to go down W of stairs or a lift to get into an
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underground location. Use you.
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Now, you see precisely how this podcast, what you have to be
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terribly specific and within the confines of that.
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Struggle. The answer is no, I have not.
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Have you been Have you had a look down?
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Wookie hole? I don't know.
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Some people that have been to wikiHow.
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Why haven't I been there? Jump into.
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You? Haven't even been down a Wookie
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hole. I just don't understand.
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And I would absolutely take the seidman from behind as well.
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I'm telling you. Have you looked up your to The
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Gorge? You'll get worse than that,
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Michael. You are.
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Anyway, but yeah, regular Falls being played right now and he
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seems quite perturbed by that. Yeah, the brain scanner.
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There's obviously someone behind this.
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I keep saying that all justly look ill, poor chap Steve-O.
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For absolute joy to give an actor later on where he's going.
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Bubba. Bubba?
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Bubba. Bubba.
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All right. Look, good.
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You're the most fun computer. We've ever had.
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Any remember votan. Oh, yeah.
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What did he say? That's about it.
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This is a very personable chatty computer.
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There's the one in the invasion. That just goes click open, does
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just kick that foreign one in underwear.
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Weld. I mean she's got a lovely voice,
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but Yeah, she don't get out very much.
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Oh, this is, this is really scary because they've made him
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want to commit suicide. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well if there's a modern office,
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if somebody commits suicide in your office, it would probably
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be closed for a month. Alright, so I don't think that
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actually that was that small to move and having in commit
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suicide on the grounds as a bit dim as well.
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I don't think you're doing Dark Water.
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When we're I said to you about, what is like the what?
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How far can you push? Push a family show.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Now like somewhere. It's a you know, an adult
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committing suicide is is a step too far.
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Yeah, that's redefined. Now ever since I experienced a
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few episodes of The Tomorrow People of brick box.
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Okay, I watch an episode called if they should Peter Davison in
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this crazy wig and like gold pants, right?
25:36
Yes, where everyone was talking like, wild West's and hey slug.
25:40
A bug. Was very strange but there was a
25:43
sequence, right in a greengrocers where Pete Davidson
25:47
shot, someone in the stomach, in the middle of this comedy scene,
25:51
and blood was flat. I don't figure The Tomorrow.
25:53
People was for children, right? It wasn't for a family audience.
25:57
Yeah. So yeah, that's this is all
26:01
episode. And you've got, oh God, there's
26:03
so much shit going on in man, for Emily.
26:04
But well, when he saw you tomorrow, people V girls, the
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point I'm trying to make is I think standards were just
26:10
different back then, I think I think they figured kids could
26:13
handle a bit more because you wouldn't have that sequence in a
26:16
kids show now of something being shot and blood coming out of
26:19
their stomach in the middle of a comedy.
26:21
See, and I don't think you'd have a scene of people
26:23
committing suicide in like the Sarah Jane Adventures and you
26:27
certainly wouldn't have anyone with a knife flick knives, know
26:32
if it's a fairly common in this kind of.
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So, do you think, you think the term family audience meant
26:39
something very different in the 70s?
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Does now is just different. It's different standards and
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they were preoccupied with different things.
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So I think all the nice stuff got bad because people really
26:52
getting stabbed and he's pretty horrendous.
26:55
So yeah that was just wanted to draw attention to it would
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obviously be different or draw attention to Joe's dressing.
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This scene. She's like throughout that her
27:05
time on the show. She's dressed like very very
27:08
much in a kind of childlike kind of way.
27:12
And for Joe, this is a very mature, grown-up dress.
27:15
Yeah, which is another subtle indication that she's getting
27:18
ready to move on. She looks older.
27:20
Yeah, this seems you just in any other.
27:22
Doesn't she this whole sequence? Steve.
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I think it's gorgeous. I fire people really like, rip
27:28
up this sequence and say, oh, it's too much.
27:31
There was a bunch of hippies are all artistic.
27:34
Why the hell not? And it's just a lovely kind of
27:37
community feel you. Dumped our regulars in there.
27:40
They're having a Lovely mail. This feels this feels like the
27:44
new series to me. Like there's a strong family.
27:47
Feel to this that I, yes, I'll find a bit intoxicating.
27:52
That's exactly the right sort of.
27:53
We're putting it as well because it is, they're building a
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family, even with it Courtney as the uncle not quite fitting in.
28:03
Yeah, I do. I mean, looking for father
28:05
figures in children's, he got the brother and sister in cliff
28:08
and Joe dad. The doctor is the father.
28:11
Figure. Of course, the Brigadier, the
28:14
ankles. So, is the, Brigadier the uncle?
28:18
I might be the other way to do, you know, they're the senior
28:21
members of the family, aren't they?
28:23
And then see what the laughing face on a shooting on her
28:26
whistle? I love the bit later on.
28:28
When the brigadier's guide beef. It is beef.
28:32
It's just like that. It's fungus.
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So you love it. Okay.
28:36
So it takes a lot of confidence to to switch tones mid-scene.
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This thing. Does it beautifully?
28:44
So they were all laugh. They're all having fun.
28:46
They're talking about going on this great adventure.
28:48
And then the doctor comes in and punches it with the news of but
28:52
Steph and suddenly is very solemn.
28:55
Yeah. Yeah, that's a really and it
28:57
gives the scene a bit more of a flow and an energy and it just
29:02
and it seems to work really well.
29:03
I don't know. I don't know quite how it
29:05
manages. It just seems to get it right.
29:07
I don't really know how many but some they captured something in
29:12
this story. However, they've captured in the
29:15
car. Erica terms is it's beguiling, I
29:18
think. Oh, I just go.
29:21
Sorry, briefly coming back to that scene.
29:23
Have you ever found yourself in a situation where you've been as
29:26
overdressed for dinner as the Brigadier is with the whole
29:30
wheel Community? Generally not?
29:34
But that's, you know, I'm a manager at my work and I don't
29:37
ever wear a shirt. So like I do generally very
29:40
underdressed. Why have you?
29:43
Oh, no, it's just a thing, isn't it?
29:45
Just thought he looks like. Yeah, but you don't think that's
29:50
a class thing as well. Like a visual thing that he's
29:52
all buttoned up and they're all very relaxed.
29:55
Definitely. Definitely.
29:56
Yeah, he's definitely showing that he dresses for dinner and a
29:59
bow tie. And if it's turned up in in
30:02
whatever they're wearing, you know, Steve what is occurring
30:06
right now? I feel as if I'm at the
30:08
beginning of a pool movie. Where at where at firelight, you
30:13
know, everyone's gone to bed. Ed, I'm going to tell you off
30:17
again because Joe, do you know, sometimes, people like have
30:21
tender scenes in episodes of various television programs that
30:24
do not necessarily lead on to pornographic things happen.
30:27
Okay, you now. All right.
30:29
Hang on. If the doctor did not get
30:31
involved, something would have occurred here.
30:33
They would have might have at least had a cuddly bit.
30:36
Yeah. I'm look, he feels guilty.
30:38
As soon as he walks in that he's interrupted them.
30:41
The 90's and look on the doctors face though in a minute.
30:45
When Count the same. Yeah, but don't you?
30:48
The doctor is he realizes, he's redundant, doesn't he realizes
30:53
that Jo's moving on it. So I'll write and he tries to,
30:56
he goes look. I've got the crystal as if to
30:58
like, you know, look at my crystal.
31:00
Joe. Stop looking at his Crystal.
31:02
Look at mine, you know, he's trying to entice her and she's
31:08
not interested anymore. Hi, it's really soft.
31:10
Breaking. Absolutely not interested in
31:13
better be this 3 in the universe.
31:15
She's she's interested in what's going on at home.
31:18
She's interested in. Well, yeah, but then this kind
31:22
of happens to people, as well, at a certain age.
31:25
They lose interest in Doctor, Who in stock, kick interested in
31:28
members of the opposite sex. I thought, I what you're talkin
31:31
about my it happens to some people.
31:35
Sometimes I've heard it. I mean I can just say this to
31:39
you. Now, you can perfectly balance.
31:41
Those two things very well. Alright.
31:45
Yes, it is possible. Yeah, it can be done.
31:48
He's there. Okay.
31:50
I think I'm trying to say this is another cracking Cliffhanger.
31:54
I'll crack it. The as the egg cracks.
31:57
This is another terrific Cliffhanger here and I love the
32:00
fact that it ends on a POV shot of a maggot.
32:06
Yes, isn't it? Isn't it?
32:07
Ironic? In a Freudian kind of way that
32:09
the soon as Joe discovered sex. She did not get attacked by
32:13
giant bag enormous Market. CSO shot of it.
32:17
They're kind of squelching across the floor.
32:19
That's not too bad. Is it the way?
32:22
It works really? Well?
32:23
In this sequence doesn't look at the weight.
32:24
Will it spots are and it goes up and goes all there's dinner.
32:30
Do you think the script actually said POV shot?
32:32
Maggot or That's Mike? We Brian just being inventive
32:35
but it's Gotta Be him being inventive.
32:39
I think the script of what we just say, I'm the magnet
32:41
advances or towards jokes theme music.
32:45
Um, I we so we got a tiny bit of time.
32:48
Before we head out of this episode.
32:51
I want to ask you because this is the point where, you know, we
32:56
had at the beginning, Joe showing an interest in
33:01
environmentalism. And here is where we kind of
33:05
realize. Okay.
33:05
She's going by, she's not interested.
33:09
If the table is free anymore. Is this the best companion?
33:15
Archer story. In the old series.
33:19
Yes, I think so. I think the new series is quite
33:23
a few to challenge it, although, I don't, I all none of them are
33:28
quite right. Not at all.
33:30
I don't know. What one thing is.
33:32
Interesting is I thought, the way Ryan leaves, I thought he
33:36
was going to leave because of what he'd seen in often 55 and
33:41
because that fear comes back to him in the fingers in your ear
33:45
one, and he's worried about the Drake's come back to him as a
33:48
knight. Now.
33:49
I thought the ending was going to leave because he was
33:51
interested environmental issues like a slight.
33:53
Shame that that's not quite way left because more preoccupied
33:56
with Earth than he was with travelling.
33:58
With the doctor was a lot lot better than than people give it
34:02
credit though. Him like choosing.
34:05
You know, what? Actually I've got priorities on
34:08
Earth. I'm going to stay here and deal
34:10
with them. Like, that's way more
34:12
interesting. I think unbelievable than other.
34:14
No, I'm off in a Flying Diner on the eve of my death.
34:17
F. Yes, Channel rights out,
34:22
companions better than Martha and I think that's inarguable
34:27
Steve General, Rhys Pisa. That's Peter.
34:30
Chibnall rights. People better than OK.
34:33
I think that's, that's the thing.
34:35
Okay. So any other sort of the future,
34:37
so any other, so in the old series are in and Barbara are
34:42
but then our but no but yeah, but it's not seated all the way
34:45
through the story. Like this is Where you been to
34:48
the moon? No, we're getting close.
34:52
London. 1965 Victoria. I think Victoria has a good
35:00
final story. It's seeded like this, isn't it?
35:03
It's very much part of the fabric of our final story that
35:06
she's got us. Another six, poles to work.
35:09
You've got time to explore the fact that she might be leaving.
35:13
Well, there's not much gets the way you like it.
35:18
The least effective departure and thats Sarah Jane way is just
35:21
dumped at the end of the story. Yes.
35:24
I also like that. I like that she is she's dumped
35:29
and it's not fair and she should have stayed on but yeah, she
35:34
just gets you ejected. Dumped on ceremony was really
35:36
Ever Fall because life does that to you sometimes, doesn't it?
35:39
Oh boy. That's it.
35:41
Wow. No, not bad there.
35:43
Jesus Christ, but is that I mean, that's so effective in
35:47
that, it It's so sudden that they can't pick that up in
35:50
school reunions, you know, and yes, have a conversation.
35:58
But in terms of Joe leaving in this story.
36:02
I think in terms of what emotional resonance, this is the
36:06
best companion departure and in terms of like tearing your heart
36:10
out in the last episode. I don't think it's ever better
36:13
to. Oh, we'll get there.
36:15
It's going to be it's going to be a killer bring the hankies.