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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-26-26 · ESPN 700 & 92.1 FM | Utah's #1 Sports Talk

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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Happy Monday, everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Glad to have you with us. Morgan Scali Press Conference
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  Speaker 1: in an hour. Ari Temkin coming on in 30 minutes
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  Speaker 1: or so. Jam-packed show here on a Monday. Oh, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have a little bit of fun.
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  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 1: I always love to hear from you, so please, if
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  Speaker 1: you can, shoot me a text, shoot me a call.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Tell me what you loved, what you hated about the
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  Speaker 1: weekend with college football, game day in town, with Houston
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  Speaker 1: coming to town. I did see a lot of Houstonites
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  Speaker 1: sort of wandering around Salt Lake City. Hopefully you did
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  Speaker 1: the right thing and said, welcome to Utah. I hope
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  Speaker 1: you enjoy your time here, and I hope that our
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  Speaker 1: team beats your team.
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  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700 at.
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  Speaker 1: Realocsports.com. We learned a lot about this Utah football team
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday night. If you go back to preseason conversations
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  Speaker 1: on this show, we talked about this game specifically being
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  Speaker 1: maybe the first time that Utah has to answer real
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  Speaker 1: questions about who they are. Now, I will admit, I
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  Speaker 1: thought that there was going to be more bumps and
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  Speaker 1: bruises and problems along the way in getting to this game.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought that this game was going to be
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate litmus test for Utah football. And that if
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  Speaker 1: there had been a loss on the schedule previous to
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  Speaker 1: this one, I would have said, oh yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's first year head coach, first year coordinator kind of
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  Speaker 1: a problem. That's five new offensive linemen kind of a problem.
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  Speaker 1: That's this call should have gone that way. That ball
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  Speaker 1: should have bounced this way. because the schedule laid out
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  Speaker 1: in such a friendly manner for the university of Utah
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  Speaker 1: that we thought that this team would get to a
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  Speaker 1: point halfway through the season where they looked really darn good.
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  Speaker 1: And we would still be wondering, is Utah really good
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  Speaker 1: at stand up salt Lake city? Cause you've got a
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  Speaker 1: damn good football team on the hill in Morgan Scali's
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  Speaker 1: first year. You are a justifiable top 10 ranked team.
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  Speaker 1: You have now players on both sides of the ball
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  Speaker 1: answering the call when it is time to make a play,
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  Speaker 1: when it is time to dig down deep and either
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  Speaker 1: go out and win a football game or get on
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  Speaker 1: the bus and cry, your team, your coaches, rise to
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  Speaker 1: the occasion. And they did it, most importantly this time,
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  Speaker 1: they did it against a top 15 football team in Houston.
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  Speaker 1: That is a dang good squad over there. They did
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  Speaker 1: it against one of the better quarterbacks in the conference.
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  Speaker 1: They did it by holding a team that rushes for
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  Speaker 1: 220 yards a game, the same total that Utah generates
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  Speaker 1: on their season average. You held them under 100 yards rushing.
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  Speaker 1: And most importantly, when the chips were down and you
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  Speaker 1: have now punted the ball back to a guy like
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  Speaker 1: Connor Wegman and that offense... You had your defense make
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  Speaker 1: the play necessary to salt this game away. An absolutely
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  Speaker 1: pristine play call by Colton Swan. I mean, as good
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  Speaker 1: as it gets. Beautiful. Morgan Scali in his post-game press
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  Speaker 1: conference called it the unblockable blitz. I've seen the zoomed-in screenshots.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen the replay over and over again. I happened
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  Speaker 1: to be standing in the north end zone in the
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  Speaker 1: new seats when it happened, and it could not have
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  Speaker 1: gone more perfectly. James, you've got the call. James Peterson
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  Speaker 1: behind the glass. You've got the play call. Play it
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  Speaker 1: for the people. Four wide receivers in the pattern for
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  Speaker 1: Houston on first down and 10. Sam for the running back.
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  Speaker 1: Keep an eye on him out of the backfield. Utah
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  Speaker 1: rushing four. Now they'll bring five.
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  Speaker 3: He's hit.
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  Speaker 2: The ball is out.
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  Speaker 1: Utah's got it. Utah's got it. Utah's got it. They
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  Speaker 1: sacked him. They stripped him. They recovered the fumble. It
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  Speaker 1: was Jackson Fetty.
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  Speaker 4: What a time to finally get home with a blitz.
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  Speaker 1: The Utah defense does it again.
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  Speaker 5: First and 10 Utah at the Houston 10-yard line.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great call by the voice of the Utes,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Riley. That's a great call by Bill Riley. That
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  Speaker 1: was a camera-shaking, Richter-scale reading reaction from Rice Eccles Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of those moments that we are all
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  Speaker 1: going to remember for a very long time. Blackout game,
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  Speaker 1: college game day in town, Pat McAfee beef started in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. Double birds up to you, Pat McAfee. And
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  Speaker 1: that moment right there when Houston has an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: has a great quarterback, has an offense that really has
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  Speaker 1: done a lot of impressive things this year, has scored
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  Speaker 1: 39 points a game. Houston, they get to go down,
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  Speaker 1: potentially score, potentially get a two-point conversion.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Benny eliminates, eviscerates, vaporizes Connor Wegman, ball loose. Jai
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  Speaker 1: Moy is already there. He's already had his man beat.
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  Speaker 1: That's important here because a loose ball there. Yes, it's
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  Speaker 1: still a huge play, but if Houston and an offensive
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  Speaker 1: lineman falls back on that thing, who knows what happens?
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  Speaker 1: Jai has already beat his man. He is there and
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  Speaker 1: he falls right on it. Next play, Utah scores. Let's go, baby.
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  Speaker 1: It was gorgeous. It was perfection. It was absolutely incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And the play call, you can watch the replay over
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  Speaker 1: and over again. I, I wish we actually had more
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  Speaker 1: angles on it. The, the all 22, when I can
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  Speaker 1: get some access to the all 22, that is going
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  Speaker 1: to be the one that tells the real story of it,
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  Speaker 1: because there's a timing and Morgan calls it an unblockable blitz,
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  Speaker 1: even though it has been blocked as he joked post game,
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  Speaker 1: because So there's five guys pre-snap. There's five guys on
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  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, okay? Five Utes on the line
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  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I made sure that I texted our guy
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz about this because you want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that your run game coordinator, your offensive line stuff is
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  Speaker 1: dialed in when you're talking about something like this. Because
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  Speaker 1: the center guard combination on the left side of Houston's line,
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  Speaker 1: the right side of Utah's defense, They can't be right
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  Speaker 1: in this situation. That's why the blitz is so effective,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why it was such a perfect time for
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  Speaker 1: Colton to call this up, for Coach Swan to get
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  Speaker 1: into his bag and call it there, and for Cyrus Polu,
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  Speaker 1: who was blitzing, and for Jackson Benny, who was blitzing,
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  Speaker 1: to time it so it was like a bang-bang, right?
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  Speaker 1: It is jab-cross. It is the running back who is
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  Speaker 1: also responsible for whatever rusher comes on that side of
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  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Offensive line sees five. They say,
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  Speaker 1: we've got these five, okay? We are responsible for the
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  Speaker 1: five guys, the first threat. John Uhal, all the way
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  Speaker 1: on the left side of Utah's formation, drops. So now
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  Speaker 1: the right side of your Houston offensive line has de-tackle, nobody, nobody.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, ah, they're looking, they're, they're, they're scanning
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  Speaker 1: their side of the field, not knowing the chaos that
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  Speaker 1: is unfolding a fraction of a second later on the
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  Speaker 1: left side of the offensive line, because they've got D
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  Speaker 1: tackle D and linebacker and safety. And the poor guys just,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing for them. They can't do it. The running
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  Speaker 1: back cannot be right in that situation, because if he sees,
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  Speaker 1: if his peripheral vision is gives him the picture of
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Benny coming through, and he goes to Jackson Benny.
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  Speaker 1: Guess who hits the quarterback? Cyrus Polu. So he does
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  Speaker 1: the right thing. He takes the first man, first other
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  Speaker 1: colored jersey. That's who he's got to hit. And Jackson
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  Speaker 1: Benny is there a half step later. And Connor Wegman
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  Speaker 1: doesn't see anything coming. Ball goes flying. Oh, it was beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: It was gorgeous. I'm standing right behind it. I had
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  Speaker 1: some friends who got to be... They were in the
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  Speaker 1: trial run of those North End Zone seats, which, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, absolutely sick seats. Oh, they had a little
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  Speaker 1: dry run. They did a dry run on Saturday night
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  Speaker 1: at Rice-Eccles Stadium. Were they... actually something built there? Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's exactly what it's going to be. Gotcha. The food service,
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  Speaker 1: everything was exactly what it's going to be. The monitors
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  Speaker 1: with the the game on the screen was all hooked up.
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  Speaker 1: Those are phenomenal seats.
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  Speaker 6: Those are really, so you were able to stand in
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  Speaker 6: your usual spot and kind of watch the game with
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  Speaker 6: your friends.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. It was perfect. And it just so happened that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you can walk down to the field
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  Speaker 1: level from the press box and, at exactly that time
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  Speaker 1: left in the game. They're like, they make the announcement
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  Speaker 1: in the press box. All right, media can go down
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  Speaker 1: on the field. So I go down, everyone else goes
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  Speaker 1: to the elevator. I go down the staircase because we're
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  Speaker 1: going down people. There's nothing wrong with going down some stairs,
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  Speaker 1: go down, say hello to the friends standing there at
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  Speaker 1: their seats. And that's when that play happens. And it
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  Speaker 1: just was, I mean, there's that vibration, that power, that
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  Speaker 1: of the crowd at rice Eccles stadium. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the broadcast, I didn't see this until after the broadcast
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  Speaker 1: did an incredible job of cutting to the blacked out crowd.
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  Speaker 1: And the camera was shaking all crazy. And it gave,
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  Speaker 1: if you were there, you know, if you were there,
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  Speaker 1: you felt it, you heard it, you saw it. And
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  Speaker 1: if you were sitting at home and there's, it's a
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  Speaker 1: great place to watch a game sitting at home. you
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  Speaker 1: became part of the 51 plus thousand at rice echo stadium,
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  Speaker 1: watching that thing unfold, just an incredible play call, incredible execution.
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  Speaker 1: And once again, incredible complimentary football, because the very next
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  Speaker 1: play Devin dampier, put it into the end zone. It was,
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  Speaker 1: this was the Devin dampier run game for me. This
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  Speaker 1: was the, the we're the Devin dampier legs game. what
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  Speaker 1: he was able to do, rushing the football and just
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  Speaker 1: identifying that, honestly, my fear for what Connor Wegman could
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  Speaker 1: do to Utah's defense is exactly what Devin Dampier did
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  Speaker 1: to Houston's defense. When I told you last week that
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  Speaker 1: this was twin brothers fighting each other, I didn't really
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  Speaker 1: fully account for the fact that Devin Dampier would and
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  Speaker 1: could do exactly what I feared Connor Wegman would do
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  Speaker 1: because Houston plays a lot of run, run defense as well.
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  Speaker 1: And Houston found themselves in a lot of situation in
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  Speaker 1: man defense, excuse me, where they, they, their defensive backs
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  Speaker 1: had backs turned and were chasing people. And Devin Dampier
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  Speaker 1: was just like, Oh yeah, here we go. Goodness gracious.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely incredible stuff. And now You survive. There were going
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  Speaker 1: into the weekend. There were six undefeated teams in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Three of them were in the big 12 conference, Texas tech, Utah, BYU,
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  Speaker 1: Utah now stands alone as the only undefeated team in
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  Speaker 1: the conference. Number six ranked in the country. Look, still
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  Speaker 1: a very tough schedule ahead, but step one was to
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  Speaker 1: prove to everybody yourselves that And everyone else that this
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  Speaker 1: Utah team and what you saw through six weeks was
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  Speaker 1: not by any stretch of the imagination, a fluke. That
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  Speaker 1: was a really, really good Houston football team. And Utah
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  Speaker 1: made them look kind of average. No, that's unfair. Made
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  Speaker 1: them look just okay. Made them look perhaps like B
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  Speaker 1: plus because when it really, really mattered, Utah got the
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  Speaker 1: job done. And that was not a perfect game for,
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  Speaker 1: for anyone. There were some situations, again, where you're like,
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  Speaker 1: what is going on here? Devin Dampier with two interceptions
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  Speaker 1: in this game. The first one being hit as he throws.
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  Speaker 2: Look....
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  Speaker 1: I I'm almost to the point where, where I'm going to,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get over saying, oh, he's fine. Cause
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  Speaker 1: he got hit. And he's, as he threw, he's got
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  Speaker 1: to recognize that the contact is coming and that if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to make a throw while the contact is
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  Speaker 1: right there, it's gotta be a high percentage short throw.
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  Speaker 1: You can't be heaving it when you know that you're
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  Speaker 1: about to get hit, but we'll talk to Deb about
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  Speaker 1: that addition with Deb this week and every week on
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  Speaker 1: the Sean O'Connell show, but he played so well. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the most important things like guys
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  Speaker 1: are going to make mistakes. Your quarterback is going to
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  Speaker 1: make mistakes. You don't want them to be turnover mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to be overly costly mistakes, but something
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  Speaker 1: that I think we all need to appreciate about Kevin McGiven,
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  Speaker 1: Colton Swan, Morgan Scali, but especially about Devin Dampier is
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  Speaker 1: that when he makes those super costly mistakes, when he
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  Speaker 1: turns the football over, He makes up for it. He
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  Speaker 1: goes to the sideline and we asked him about this process.
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  Speaker 1: He goes to the sideline. He clears it out of
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  Speaker 1: his head. He truly believes that he's going to play
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  Speaker 1: better than that last throw. And then he does. I
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  Speaker 1: don't need perfection. Just give me redemption. And he does
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  Speaker 1: every single time. Incredible, incredible stuff. at Rice Eccles stadium
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday night, 8 7 7 3 5 3 0 700.
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  Speaker 1: We're still fans. We're still going to be unreasonable. So
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  Speaker 1: tell me what you love. Tell me what you hated.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe what you hated was like the kicker segment
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  Speaker 1: on college football game day. I hated that, that, that
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  Speaker 1: poor gal Morgan, the, the Utah student Morgan boring. Her
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  Speaker 1: name is boring. Her last name. I just watched it.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I told you, I didn't, I didn't get up
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  Speaker 1: early to watch a game day. So I caught up
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  Speaker 1: this morning.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, her name was Morgan boring and she had, she
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  Speaker 6: had one of those, uh, listen to Morgan hats. That's a,
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  Speaker 6: that I guess way Sean Parker has worn that, that
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  Speaker 6: is a shout out to Morgan Scali.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a tear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was a tough segment to watch.
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  Speaker 6: Pat, Making her feel bad a little or seemingly trying
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  Speaker 6: to make her feel bad for bringing up that this
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  Speaker 6: is less than what he gave the BYU student or
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  Speaker 6: he was offering to the BYU student in the kicking segment.
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  Speaker 6: But also, I don't know. weird kind of looking a
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  Speaker 6: gift horse in the mouth that mouth that way if you're.
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  Speaker 1: Morgan well here's the problem it was just an awful
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  Speaker 1: look for Morgan and for you know because then you
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  Speaker 1: use that moment to judge the entire fan base yeah
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  Speaker 1: so that was an awful look for her it was
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  Speaker 1: I think you know it's a joke that fell flat
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  Speaker 1: but then also and you you guys can get mad
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  Speaker 1: at me for this if you want it's a raffle
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  Speaker 1: who gets to do the kick, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If you can't kick at all, if you are abysmally
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  Speaker 1: uncoordinated and have no shot of making that kick, don't
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  Speaker 1: put your name in the raffle. Take your name out
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  Speaker 1: of the raffle. I mean, I don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: in line for this because you take the opportunity away
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  Speaker 1: from someone who might actually be making the kick that. And,
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  Speaker 1: and then they're like, well, I'm a swimmer. I'm not okay. Fine.
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  Speaker 1: Then don't try to kick.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, That's like saying, oh, see, though, that's like
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  Speaker 6: saying voluntarily take myself out of the running for potentially
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  Speaker 6: a free million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. No, it's not, James. It's not
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  Speaker 1: because it's not a free million dollars. It's a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars that you have to earn by doing something that
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  Speaker 1: most people can't do. It's it's it's the same thing
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  Speaker 1: as someone being lucky and it goes through, though. Well, OK,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not something you get lucky with. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the problem. There's this understanding. There's this failure to understand
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  Speaker 1: for people. That like, it does require athleticism to kick.
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  Speaker 1: We pretend that's not the case because we like to
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  Speaker 1: make fun of kickers. It's actually, you have to be
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  Speaker 1: coordinated to do it. You have to be someone that
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  Speaker 1: can perform under pressure. You have to be someone like
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  Speaker 1: you have to be self-aware as a human being. I
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  Speaker 1: can make potentially a 25 yard kick. I can potentially
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  Speaker 1: make a 35 yard kick. I could potentially make a
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  Speaker 1: 15 yard kick. I was told that she tried to,
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  Speaker 1: when she won the lottery, she tried to like the
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  Speaker 1: person standing behind her in line or whatever. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: if I win it, you kick. And they were like, no, you,
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  Speaker 1: you won. It has to be you who kicks. You
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  Speaker 1: can't have somebody else represent you, but please, we got
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  Speaker 1: to do better.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Got to represent better. You got to represent better. You
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  Speaker 1: got to put your best foot forward. And I, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist. So I, I would not be shocked
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  Speaker 1: if Ryan Smith was sitting next to Pat McAfee at
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  Speaker 1: the jazz game the night before and just being like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: just make sure that whoever kicks at Utah is awful
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  Speaker 1: and make sure they don't get extra money. And like,
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  Speaker 1: That's my only problem, though, with the whole thing, with
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  Speaker 1: the whole day. That's my only problem with it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to stay positive here. 877-353-0700. Caden on the
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  Speaker 1: text line says, all right, how about them Utes? With
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  Speaker 1: that win, will the narrative about Utah not playing anyone stop?
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  Speaker 1: Or does it continue? I'm confused on the comments made.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't the goal to beat up on bad teams, which
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  Speaker 1: Utah's done? Doesn't the whole SEC conference do this? Thanks, guys.
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  Speaker 1: And then he throws in a go Niners. Look, the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Niners can afford to lose five games. They were going
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to drop one at some point. Brock Purdy, wake up. Anyway, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the narrative about Utah not having played anyone has to stop. However,
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  Speaker 1: we also collectively, as a fan base, do not... Fall
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  Speaker 1: for what you hate your rivals for falling for. Do
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  Speaker 1: not fall for what you dislike about Notre Dame if
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  Speaker 1: you dislike Notre Dame. Dislike about USC if you dislike USC.
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  Speaker 1: Do not fall for the same thing where when one
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: thing happens that confirms your bias, you act like it
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  Speaker 1: is an absolute truth, okay? This, we literally saw the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: pride cycle play out this week with BYU, everybody in
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the fan base. I don't, I won't make the accusation
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that it was happening with the team, but the risk
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: is you pat yourself on the back. You see, aha,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: we told people we could do it and we did it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And then the next week you come up short. That
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: is the crucial thing for the rest of time with
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: this Utah football team. Not for the rest of the time,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: for the rest of this season with this Utah football team.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: You cannot let this game mean for the team itself
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: anything more than you got to win over a really
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: good opponent. Because you got another tough team coming up
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: next week. You got another really, really good BYU team
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: in a rivalry game coming in the week after this.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Then you've got a a terrible trap game the following
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: week against Arizona. If there is, if the, if you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: want to talk about true significance for this Houston game
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and everything else that played out in college football this week,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you now have margin for error. You now have a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: small amount of wiggle room and it is a tiny
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: amount of wiggle room, but you have now Utah and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: With Texas Tech losing, with BYU losing, with Arizona already
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: having a loss, with Houston now having two losses, now
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you have a little bit of wiggle room to where
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you don't have to clutch up. You don't have to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: hold your breath. You don't have to be tense every
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: time about the possibility of a loss knocking you all
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the way out of a conference championship game. Texas Tech's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: schedule looked like on paper, hey, they're not going to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: lose any games. They lost the game, all right? BYU,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: we thought that BYU's loss would come to Notre Dame potentially.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: That doesn't do anything for the conference title race. And
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: when they beat everyone else, it was like, okay, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: head-to-head with Utah is going to be who gets into
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the conference championship game. I still believe that's going to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: be the case. But now you have a tiny little
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: bit of wiggle room. That's the only real significance to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: this game. Let the narrative about Utah be whatever the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: narrative is. because all this team has to do is
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: go and continue to control their destiny. And for us,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: for the people that matter, that watch them every day,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: what this game did was it confirmed the bias that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you already had, that this team is good and will
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: be able to overcome things when they really face a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: tough team. When they face a little bit of adversity
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in a game, when your quarterback turns the ball over,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: when you have all the momentum as they, as he did, right.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Can your defense respond? And they did twice, three times. So,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and can that quarterback get out of his own head
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: after he throws an interception? Yes. Can you win if
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: way Sean Parker doesn't have a 250 yard game? Answer
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: is yes. Do you need everybody to be flawless and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: perfect in order for you to win a game? No,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you don't. We learned that against Colorado. Well, what about
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: against the good team? Because Colorado ain't one. Now against
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the good team, you played a game that was far
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: from perfect, but you came out with the win, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it was a thing of beauty because I'm telling you,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: it's not common in football. Go watch every level. Go
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: watch high school ball. Go watch college ball, any conference.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Watch it in the NFL. It is actually not all
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that common. that when your team, it's a very obvious,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: anyone watching your grandma could be sitting down with you knitting.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And there's a moment or two or three in every
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: game where it's like, whoever makes the play here, whoever
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: has the coach and the players that put the right
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: combination together and make a play here, that is who's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: going to win the game. It happened last week against Colorado.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: where you were in that spot, Colorado had seized all
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the momentum back, and it was like, if they don't
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: make a play and get this first down, then Colorado's
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: going to win this game. Colorado was still trailing at
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that moment, but we all recognized it. Hey, it's third
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and ten. If Devin doesn't make a throw here, this
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: game is going to go Colorado's way. You're going to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: punt it back. They're going to have even more momentum.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: It's going to get ugly. And what happened? Devin Dampier
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: to Creed Whittemore streaking on the left sideline. Beautiful catch.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: All right. Little breathing room. Made the play necessary. Got
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the job done. All right. Now, Houston. Ball, they're down
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a point. They have the ball back. Two plus minutes
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to work. Timeouts to spare. Experienced quarterback. Athletes all over
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the field. That moment, all of us recognized it. Everyone
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: at Rice Eccles Stadium did. Everyone watching at home did,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: whether they were rooting against Utah or for Utah. Everyone
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: recognized in that moment, somebody has to make a play here,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: whether it's Houston or Utah, and this is the game.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: This is going to be the game. And now two
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: weeks in a row, Utah came up with the call
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and the execution, and they made the play. That is
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: not as common as you think in college football, in
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: NFL football, in high school football, in Pop Warner football.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: When everybody knows the stakes in that exact second, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: it is your guys who come through and make the play,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that is what separates good teams from great teams, great
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: teams from elite teams, bad teams from good teams. Oh,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it was gorgeous. It was a wonderful thing. Your texts,
• 25:25
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• 25:26
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• 25:36
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• 25:39
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• 26:11
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• 26:15
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• 26:23
  Speaker 1: We're talking some big 12 football, some Utah football. Ari
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Temkin joins us big 12 today on tune in radio.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Good friend of the show. Ari, welcome. How are you?
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I'm great.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I see. How are you, buddy?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I'm doing awesome. We had an exciting night. On Saturday, Houston, really,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: really solid team, came in ranked number 14 in the country.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: College game day on campus in the morning and already
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: torn down and cleared out by the time the game
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: actually kicked off, which is kind of a funny dynamic.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: But ultimately, Utah gets the win in a tight game
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and a really fun game. Not as high scoring as
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I thought it would be between the two highest scoring
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: offenses in the Big 12. The result, of course, that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: everyone here in Salt Lake was hoping for. As the outsider,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: as the external viewer, what did you think of this game?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there was a lot to like. You know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I think we've seen at different times this year, teams
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: try to take away certain aspects of Utah's offense, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: they were able to respond. I mean, we obviously have
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: not seen Devin Dampier run like the way that he
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: ran in this game. And, you know, and it was
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: needed every yard because they were really doing a good
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: job in limiting way Sean Parker. And Yeah, look, Parker
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: was chippy throughout the game. I feel like there were
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: multiple opportunities that he might have been flagged for kind
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: of some extracurricular, and he still managed to make an
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: impact in the game even without his running. I've got
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to say, O.C., the one thing, though, and this almost
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: came back to bite them, with the two-minute timeout still
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: looming and one timeout for Houston, I think Devin Dampier
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: running it into the end zone was the wrong move.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: That's one where I think you've got to get down.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: take more time. It obviously didn't matter in the end,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: but it could have had Houston be able to get
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: into the end zone and get the two-point conversion and
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: send it to overtime. So I was not a fan
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: and thought that that was really almost a disaster for
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Utah with one timeout and a two-minute timeout. I still
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: didn't think that Houston would be able to stop the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: clock enough and run it out there, but Dampier ran
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: it in, and luckily the defense came up at the stop.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I thought that maybe if you're going to score that quickly,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: go for the two-point conversion. You're at home. Nine-point lead
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: at that point is the game over, basically.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's either you're up a touchdown if
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: you don't get it or you're up by two scores.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I probably would have leaned more towards your side, but again, like,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I think you've got to know if you're damp here,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: they want you to score. They're going to give it
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: to you so that you can get the ball back.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You've got to get down. And, again, I know they
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: had a timeout, and they still had the two-minute timeout,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: but I still don't think that would have been enough
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: time in order to get the ball back and go
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: down and score. And, look, it was close. I mean,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: maybe it was a pass interference at the end that
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't called. You know, it really came down at the end,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you know, and so– I think football is always tough
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: when it comes to scoring and you want to get
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: into the end zone, but that was one where I thought, man,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it probably was a little bit too close for what
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: was necessary, given if you just get down there, I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: think the game is over quicker.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Devin Dampier had... 18 completions on 26 attempts, 204 yards.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: He did throw the two interceptions, the second of which
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was really, really bad because you're building a nice drive.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: It's fourth quarter. It's an important moment of the game. Uh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and you know, if you just keep that ball and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: keep running, it's a positive play for your offense. And
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: instead he kind of tries this lofting jump pass almost. Uh, so,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: but ultimately it were, it was really his legs that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: were the story of Utah's offense, 15 carries for 150
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: yards and a couple of touchdowns, one of which you
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: just mentioned, but, uh, it was, you know, keeping the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: drive alive multiple times in this game, the legs of
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Devin Dampier much more than we've seen from him in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: all season long. And, you know, there's an article now
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: about him talking to an old private, you know, his
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: personal QB coach saying, when you recognize that, just go.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know why it takes an external voice to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: say those things or whatever, but do you think Devin
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Dampier will see more of this, more running from Devin
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Dampier as the tough part of Utah's schedule progresses?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I would think so. And it's going to be extremely important.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: But I also, you know, I like the dynamic of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: you know, look, lean on Bray, lean on Parker. Those
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: are your main rushers. They've been effective this year. And
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: only in spots where, you know, you absolutely have to
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: have it, you know, and that I think is what
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: presented itself in this game. I mean, they were, Houston
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: was dead set on taking away Way Sean Parker. And,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you know, so because I think of that, united a
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: call more past plays and and you know that because
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: they're paying extra attention to waste on parker now that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: gives you an opportunity the quarterback to where you have
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: you know some some match-ups on the outside that give
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you some running room i think that's exactly what he
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: did and it's one of those just take with the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: defense sort of gives you type games and but we've
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: seen it in different ways throughout the season with Utah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: where they try to take this away and now they
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: beat you that way. I think that ultimately is how
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you win big, not just in the Big 12, but
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: in playoff games. The best teams can win when they're
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: at their best and things are rolling, but when they
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: try to take away certain things, I think that's where
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: what we saw with Devin Dampier really takes meaning. And
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the other part to this, too, is I think the
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: story of this weekend of the big 12 was missed tackles.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: You know, the BYU game, you know, more so than
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: some of those weird calls at the end of the game,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: like BYU missed a ton of tackles on UCF in
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that game. And the same could be said about Houston.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, Houston usually is a sure tackling team. I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: think there was, there's a few factors here and this was,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: this was kind of an old school Utah win where
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: they leaned heavily on their defense and and quarterback ron
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: but a big part of what a lot of the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: quarterback rather be that that's full with ms tackled up
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: here with flipping through many of those on tackles that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: they've gotten for extra yardage and then yeah i mean
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: i loved colton swan in the second half and fourth
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: quarter in particular dialing up the blitz is because Connor
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Wegman's been very, very good this year, but when you
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: bring blitzes from different parts and confuse them as they
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: were doing, you get the result that you see, which
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: is a fourth quarter where Houston could not do anything offensively.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I credit a lot of that to what Utah did defensively,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and obviously look at the final strip sack where Benny
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: was one of the guys that kind of came out
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and was able to fumble Connor Wegman on
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: that play.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: So now... Now Utah's got Cincinnati. And, of course, the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: easiest comp here is what just happened with BYU and UCF.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a second. But you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: come off a big win, your biggest win of the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: season undoubtedly for Utah. You go on the road, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: it's against a team that, I mean, now people are
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: paying attention to because they were able to beat Tech,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: but that we didn't talk about much until now. And
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati's formidable. So how do you handicap that game? What
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: do you think that game ends up looking like for
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Utah on the road?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's tough from the standpoint of I'm
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: not really sure what to think of Cincinnati's defense. You know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: at times earlier this year, the defense looked really good.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And then there were weeks where the defense looked absolutely atrocious.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and then this week where the defense was dynamic and,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, played a crucial role in making Texas Tech
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: offense look bad. So that's where I start here is
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati has a very good offense. J.C. French is one
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of the more underrated quarterbacks in the Big 12 because
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: he's a legit dual threat. They have a really good
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: offensive line, and they've been able to run the ball
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: very effectively all year. So those things, like, that's a given. Like, that's...
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: We shouldn't be confused about that. Cincinnati has a very
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: legitimate defense, a very legitimate offense. There are just major
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: questions about the defense and which defense will show up.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, against Texas Tech, they made Texas Tech's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: offense look atrocious. And Texas Tech's offense has not been
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: good all year, but it has not looked good. that
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: bad all season. And so I certainly think, you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: their defense played a big role in making them look
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: that bad, but make no mistake about it. I mean,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati with cold tab at running back. I mean, they
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: did do a Texas tech defense, what no team had
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: been able to do since she'll would took over. When
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you think about last season and this season, no team
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: had rushed for over 175 yards and they did it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: They had not given up a rushing touchdown all year.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: They gave up a 51 rushing 51 yard rushing touchdown,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a cold tab in this game. So Cincinnati, This is
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a very robust offense. It's very difficult to stop. It
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: starts up front where they have one of the best,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: if not the best, offensive line in the Big 12.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, they lost Terran Tayo in this game. They're
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: placed with another guy that came in and played very
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: well against a very good defensive front. So I'd be
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: very confused between, I'd be very interested to see the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: matchup between Scott Satterfield and Colton Swan, Morgan Scali with
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the defensive end.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: All right, Tim, can here on Sean O'Connell, show talk
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: at all things Big 12 football. Three undefeated teams heading
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: into last weekend in the conference. Only one remains, and that,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of course, is Utah, because Cincinnati beats Texas Tech. You
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: just talked about, you know, Colt Tab, the hero of
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that game. And then UCF, BYU. First of all, the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: end-of-game scenario in this one is one of the most bizarre, convoluted, drawn-out,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: disgusting ends of game I've seen. I thought that the officials...
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: screwed up, really hurting both teams, and ultimately UCF gets
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the win. It took into double overtime to make it happen.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Let's start with the end-of-game scenario. Helmet gets ripped off,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a flag is thrown, and then the flag is picked up,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and then there's a 10-second runoff that we have since
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: learned should not have happened. Why now, multiple times in
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a year, twice in two weeks, clocks have been mismanaged here,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: at the end of BYU games, and of course, Michigan,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Western Michigan, at the beginning of the season. Ari, why
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: can't we get the clock thing right in college football?
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It's 2026.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's maddening. I mean, this ending was insanity. I mean,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: even going back... to the the fourth in goal from
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the one stop that be why you got and was
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: able to flip at the end of this game you
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: know and and and then you get the ball back
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: at the one but you're right three times instead of
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: trying to take some chances with that experience quarterback at
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the number two team in the nation i get it
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you're trying to make the play that that and the
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: game for you but I thought the approach there from
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Aaron Roderick and Kalani Satake, it left a little bit
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to be desired. And then they punt and give the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: ball back to UCF, playing it safe, give up a
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: big play to Josh Derry on third down, which allowed
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the drive to continue and most importantly set UCF in
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: field goal range. And then this is when it got
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: crazy bizarre because then they set up the field goal unit,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: then realized they should probably take off more time. So
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: they run a few plays but didn't really want to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: do anything with those plays. They just wanted to take
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: time off. So they run a few plays. Then, of course,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: they set up for the game-winning field goal. It's blocked
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: in a ridiculous play by Satuola. Because it was blocked
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage, that would allow for UCF
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: to kick another field goal. That was what I was
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: also confused about, the whole, you know, if you kick
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: in an early down, can you kick again? Well, you
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: can only if the ball does not get past or
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: if the ball is behind the line of scrimmage. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: then that transpires. The helmet's ripped off. The 10-second runoff
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: was a product of the helmet coming off. Now, how
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: did his helmet come off? That's, I guess, what you
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: could argue, but they basically did the 10-second runoff because
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the helmet came off. How it came off, I don't know.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: It must have just magically fallen off, perhaps. And then
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: after all that, I forgot, of course, the Keanu Tanavasa penalty,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: which kept it going. I mean, it was just maddening,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: the end of this game, and so many mistakes by BYU.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and ultimately gets to that second overtime where a lot
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of BYU fans are upset about the roughing the kicker call.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And the way it was explained to me is, look,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: if you're blocking at the kicker, it's obvious where the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: official is standing behind the play. He could see the,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the bull rush aggressiveness from the defensive lineman. And at
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: that point, when you burst through and you're out of control,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: they're going to call that. And by the letter of law,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: that is the penalty. And obviously that extended the drive,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: allowed them to put the go-ahead touchdown in there, and
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: then an amazing play by Keewon Jenkins on the two-point
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: conversion where he was nearly sacked. Again, a broken tackle.
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: He escapes it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He rushes out to his left, rolls out to his left,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and completes a pass. to the true freshman, Horns, for
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the two-point conversion. It was just the craziest. final two
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: minutes and overtime. I think I've ever seen. It's even
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: hard to explain or remember every single situation that transpired here.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: And to your point, it was very bizarre. Like a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: few of these plays, I think first that the ton of,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you know, first where they thought they get the fumble
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: and recovery, we're now suddenly BYU looks like they're the
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: ones that are going to get the ball back with
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to kick a game-winning field goal. It was
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: a great play by Jenkins because chambers was right there.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So it was not grounding because he was trying to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: get the ball to the running back, you know, and
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: then kind of also kind of a, you know, a play.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: You don't expect him to make a veteran that he
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: slams the guy's head in the ground, which made it
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: a little bit of an easier field goal. All these
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: crazy things happen at the end of the day, BYU
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: missed far too many tackles missed far too many opportunities.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And I think ultimately OC in this very long winded
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: answer here.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Like the one thing we should.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Have taken away from the Notre Dame game was this
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: is not sustainable. You cannot win where bear Bachmeier has
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: to do everything. They don't have a running game. It
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: was completely absent. Once again, this week, it's all on bear.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And when they take a bit way quarterback run, now
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden he's got a wind through the
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: air and he did a lot in this game. Just
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: not enough.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Interestingly, not enough. overly punitive rankings uh after byu loses
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: right yes they drop but and they they lose to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: an unranked team but they you know i think that
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: there's a sentiment here that hey this is still a
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: really good byu football team and i don't disagree and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: obviously they're going to be much different when lj martin
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: comes back and they're trying to get him back either
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: this week or for the holy war which we now
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: found out is a 10 a.m kickoff what do you
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: think of a 10 a.m kickoff local for the holy
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: war Oh my goodness.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I hate that. I mean, I guess it's, it's going
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to be, is that the big noon kickoff? Is that
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: why it is?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It's going to be on ESPN or ABC. So maybe
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the big noon show will be here, but no, it's a,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it's an ABC or ESPN game.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I had not heard that yet. You know what, let
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: me ask you this. Oh, see, is that usually a
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: night game?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: We've seen it played every time of the day. It
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: has been at night. For me, there's been a groundswell of,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: even though everyone loves Rice Eccles at night and everyone
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: loves the atmosphere, the fans last week were complaining like,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, another night game. What's going on here?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: And now you get the pendulum swinging all the way back,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the overcorrection in a 10 a.m.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Game.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And you guessed it. Everyone's mad about that also. So
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I think here's the thing. The reason the conference and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: that this is a Brett, your Mark problem, in my opinion,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: or a Brett, your Mark situation, if you don't want
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to call it a problem, he has to justify not
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: having this game be at, at the rivalry week, the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: end of the year. And, and This November 7th, that
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: day is a slate of unbelievable games. Miami, Notre Dame,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Ohio state's got a big one. If I'm not mistaken,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: there's like six other ranked versus ranked. So in order
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: for them in order for it to be, Hey, this
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is the showcase game that we promised you is going
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to be. You had to either put it at night again,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: which now the big networks don't want to do because
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: it's top 10 matchup, or you had to put it
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: early in the morning where it's in a showcase game.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: like actually nationally available, everyone can watch it kind of
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: a slot. And I think that's where the problem comes in.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, when you initially said it, my first
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: thought was, you know, either the big noon kick or it's,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you know, it's because there's a lot of traffic you're
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: trying to avoid. I mean, I get the Utah fan
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: sentiment of the night game, you know, this wasn't a
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: night game. This was a very late game, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: nine 15 central. So it was kind of an obnoxious
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: time for, my standard point now, again, I think you,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: you identified it correctly, right? Like the conference is looking
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: for big wins and windows that they're not competing against,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the SEC and the big 10, um, because
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: they want, you know, in many ways to be able to,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: to put this all into the, you know, the PowerPoint
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: they're going to be presenting to TV networks here in
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: a few years when it comes to, um, the opportunity
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: with the big 12 and how big 12 with its
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: own windows, you know, is, is, is holding its own. Um,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: There's probably no perfect spot for this game. I think
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I start almost at the beginning where you said that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the losses specifically for BYU did not penalize the conference
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: maybe as much as we expected it to. I do
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: recall hearing during the Utah broadcast that those teams, Utah
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: and BYU, have never met in a matchup before. both
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: his top 10 teams. So as long as things go,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: you know, as planned this week, then there's a good
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: chance it'll be the first time ever for that matchup.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So to have it be that early in the morning
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: is a disappointment. I will say too, just as a
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: fan of rivalries, you know, historically they hold games earlier.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I think of Texas OU just because they don't want
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: people to be too drunk. Now, obviously that's not the
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: case in this game, but So, you know, that's where, like,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of these rivalry games will never occur at night. Now,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the dynamics of Utah and BYU are a bit different
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: where you can allow for a night game because, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of the folks involved aren't drinking, and you
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about that. So just kind of
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: thinking through all of these dynamics, there's probably no perfect time,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: except for maybe like a local 2.30 kick or a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: local 6 or 7 kick. But once they kick off,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: ultimately this only matters, I think, for the fans, because
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: ultimately when they kick off, I mean, both teams are–
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: understand what's at stake and how big of a deal
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: this is going to be. I think it's also OC
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: never become more clear than this week that there's a
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: good chance. The big 12 championship game is going to
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: be a rematch of it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. So handicap, handicap, the conference for me, right, right now,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Utah's number one, you can't put them anywhere else. Where
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: does everyone else go? Is it true to rankings? Is it,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you know, is it Arizona number two right now? Tell
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: me what, tell me what the power structure is in
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the big 12 conference.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: That's a great question because, I mean, I'm really down
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: on Texas Tech just because of their offense. Whereas with BYU,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I'd like to have a better understanding of when L.J.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Martin will return because, you know, look, they're one and
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: one now with L.J. Martin coming back at some point,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and we know that that's going to make such a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: significant difference. I mean, take away Weishan Parker from Utah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: and what does that look like? It's a very similar dynamic.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: So I think... I'd probably still put BYU at two.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And then at three, I mean, you're looking at Houston,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Arizona, right? So there's basically
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: four teams now for three spots. I would probably put
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma state in third, which is weird just given what
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: they've done this year. But I mean, drew a mess
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: maker is so dynamic. Some of the plays that he's
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: able to make with his arm, with his legs. I mean, he's,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: he's unbelievable. And certainly if I were an NFL team,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I'd be looking at him for the first overall pick.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: And then I'd probably put Texas tech four. And then
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: as I think through this, probably Arizona at five, just
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: because Houston has those two losses and, Arizona has only lost, obviously,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to BYU on the road. They have who I'd argue
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: is the best quarterback and probably the most underrated quarterback
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: in college football in Fafita, who just continues to put
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: up big-time numbers. They're down to their fourth, fifth, sixth-string receiver,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and this guy, Isaiah Mizell, has become an absolute stud
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: for them as a wideout. So I'd probably put Arizona
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: at five, with Houston on the outside looking in right now.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: But I think you're looking at six really good teams,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: and there's a reason all six of them are ranked
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: in the top 25. And I think it speaks to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the potential for the Big 12 to still get two,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: maybe even three bids to the college football playoff.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Does Utah win in Cincinnati and head to the Holy
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: War undefeated?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I believe so. Yeah, I think so. They've made it
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: this far. There are certainly flaws there that can be exposed.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: But ultimately, I trust that defense to get more stops,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and I trust Cincinnati's defense on Utah for sure. And,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: you know, again, like I think Utah has done a
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: really good job adjusting on the fly to what teams
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: defensively are trying to take away. And, you know, and
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: then those personnel packages, you know, the pre-snap motion stuff
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: is so much fun. It's so interesting. It's really hard
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: to account for. You see all different kinds of formations
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: and wrinkles each and every week. This past week we
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: saw Ficklin come in, motion to the backfield.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: He does nothing.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Other weeks we've seen him take that pass out of
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: the backfield and throw the ball down the field. We've
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: seen him run with it. There's so much they're able
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to do that I think makes it really difficult to
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: defend them. Again, I think Cincinnati's defense has been up
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: and down, but I think a lot of what happened
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: with Texas Tech had to do with Texas Tech. It
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: had not as much to do with Cincinnati.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Ari, you're the man. I always appreciate your time and
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: your feedback, sir. We'll chat next Monday.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Take care, OC. Be well, brother.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Ari Temkin, best in the business, covering the Big 12 Conference.
• 48:47
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• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Mike on the text line. Great win over Houston. A
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: very good opponent. I'm just going to enjoy the week
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: and all that happened last weekend. I think it may
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: be good next weekend that the time is an early
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  Speaker 1: weekend start time. Suspect it will be a wild one.
• 49:29
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• 49:34
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• 49:37
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• 51:03
  Speaker 9: Thanks for coming.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 51:07
  Speaker 10: We've got some rivalry matches coming up this Friday for
• 51:10
  Speaker 10: volleyball and soccer, both down at BYU Friday night.
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: Good luck to those teams.
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: Saturday morning, cross-country, Coach Kepler and crew are going to
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: be in Oklahoma to run at the Big 12 Championships.
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: Wish them, obviously, the best there. And it's hard to
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: believe the basketball season's a week away.
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: Crazy, right? Men's basketball has already started.
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: They kick off, I think... It all starts counting. Monday
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: against Long Beach State. They had a great win over Oregon.
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: Coach Peterson and the women have Eastern Washington next Tuesday.
• 51:41
  Speaker 10: So it's almost here. Our recap of the Saturday night game.
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: Fans were awesome.
• 51:47
  Speaker 10: Atmosphere is one of the best they've been a part of.
• 51:50
  Speaker 10: So I can't thank our fans enough for showing up
• 51:55
  Speaker 10: in a big way. The game in and of itself, obviously,
• 52:00
  Speaker 10: slow start. Something that we haven't had. I thought we
• 52:04
  Speaker 10: drove the ball well at times, but definitely things needed
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: to be corrected at halftime and were. Credit to our
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: offensive staff for not panicking and working through some stuff.
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: 226 yards rushing was huge.
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: Devin with 150, and like I said, I was asked
• 52:25
  Speaker 10: after the first quarter by Quint Kestnich, you know, is
• 52:29
  Speaker 10: this sustainable?
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: I said no, and it was. He kept running.
• 52:34
  Speaker 10: But that's not obviously what we want. But, you know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 10: Dev's that competitor. I thought Daniel Bray had a, you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: for his three carries averaged 11 yards. Really proud of
• 52:46
  Speaker 10: Daniel running through the tackles, playing physical. And he got
• 52:52
  Speaker 10: every bit out of his three reps. Uh, rush defense
• 52:58
  Speaker 10: showed up in a big way, 86 yards rushing to
• 53:00
  Speaker 10: a team that had been rushing the ball fairly well. Obviously, uh,
• 53:03
  Speaker 10: those wide receivers are dynamic and I thought we, uh,
• 53:06
  Speaker 10: did a nice job against them. Uh, the red zone
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: defense was again, showed up in a, in a huge way.
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: They were one of three in terms of touchdowns, uh,
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: tackling overall. I mean, it was just awesome. Open field tackling, uh, linebackers, uh,
• 53:22
  Speaker 10: safeties that all did a really nice job. Um, Noah Benny,
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: five catches for 52 yards and made some guys miss,
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: which is a nice thing. His penalty in the end
• 53:33
  Speaker 10: zone is the craziest thing I've ever seen. I think
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: he didn't know that wasn't his teammate.
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: I think he was trying to celebrate. But anyway, we
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: love Noah, but we can't have penalties like that. Credit
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: to our D-line.
• 53:46
  Speaker 10: I thought we did a really nice job of getting
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: pressure on the quarterback, forcing him to throw the ball
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: when he didn't want to throw the ball, getting tips,
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: getting deflections.
• 53:55
  Speaker 9: Where we needed him. Lance Holtzclaw was all over the field,
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: very active. Jai showed up again in a big way.
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: And obviously the sack force from Jackson Benny was the
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: big play in the game that kind of put us
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: in position to end it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: So really just proud of the guys for their fight.
• 54:14
  Speaker 9: This is one that.
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: Really good job in preparation. Colton Swan and McGinn, really
• 54:23
  Speaker 10: good game plans. Obviously, defense showed up all night long
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: and offense got going in the second half.
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: We've got a great team in Cincinnati that we're facing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 10: Obviously, they just beat a top 10 program in the country,
• 54:37
  Speaker 10: Texas Tech, and they're hosting another one.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: So it's going to be a great environment on Halloween.
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: And we're excited that we're going to have to be
• 54:45
  Speaker 10: road warriors for the next three out of the four
• 54:49
  Speaker 10: weeks that we play, and that's something that we're excited about.
• 54:54
  Speaker 10: Their offense is humming right now, statistically 20th in the
• 54:58
  Speaker 10: country in total offense, 8th in the country, 2nd to
• 55:01
  Speaker 10: West Virginia in the Big 12 in terms of rushing offense,
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: so another game where we're going to have to be
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: really stout up front. They're 22nd in the country in
• 55:09
  Speaker 10: pass efficiency offense with a quarterback that's playing really well, confidence. Obviously,
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: Coach Satterfield's done a great job bringing in a new
• 55:20
  Speaker 10: quarterback and getting him going.
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: He's 15th in the country in completion percentage. He's efficient.
• 55:24
  Speaker 10: They don't turn the ball over. They're doing some really
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: good things, and they're playing with confidence. They're going to
• 55:28
  Speaker 10: be playing at their house, in a packed house. So
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: this is a great challenge for us.
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: Questions? Who's got?
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: I got it. Okay.
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: First off, great win on Saturday.
• 55:38
  Speaker 11: With your last four games being the toughest part of
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: your schedule, how.
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: Do you keep the team focused? And then one of
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: my concerns is I noticed I was in the, in
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: the fourth quarter, we lost our composure.
• 55:47
  Speaker 11: So my question is, what is the plan moving forward to.
• 55:49
  Speaker 10: Address the issue? Well, um, yeah, guys that, um, start
• 55:54
  Speaker 10: to lose their composure that, that don't prove, uh, mature
• 55:59
  Speaker 10: enough to be able to handle it. We, we bring
• 56:01
  Speaker 10: out of the game and that's what you saw with, uh,
• 56:04
  Speaker 10: you know, what was going on there. Ultimately, we got
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: to be more mature in that situation, understand the frustrations, but, uh,
• 56:11
  Speaker 10: I think our guys do a pretty good job of
• 56:13
  Speaker 10: policing themselves. Obviously, the one penalty there in the end
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: zone was not malicious. It was really a mix-up, a
• 56:22
  Speaker 10: confusing thing there. But I thought our guys did a
• 56:25
  Speaker 10: pretty good job. And in terms of playing on the road,
• 56:31
  Speaker 10: that's adversity that you've got to be able to handle.
• 56:36
  Speaker 10: We do everything we can to simulate crowd noise. And
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: so I think we.
• 56:41
  Speaker 9: Prepare our guys. We do a pretty good job of
• 56:45
  Speaker 9: preparing our guys, but ultimately they've got to show up
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: on game day and perform.
• 56:48
  Speaker 10: So I know this is going to be an electric
• 56:51
  Speaker 10: atmosphere in Cincinnati, and I know our guys are going to.
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: Be ready for it.
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: We've got sole ownership of first place in the Big 12,
• 56:59
  Speaker 10: and you have to have a championship mentality of what
• 57:01
  Speaker 10: you have. Don't let anyone take away. You know, and
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: our guys will be prepared and ready to go. So
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: thanks for that question, brother.
• 57:11
  Speaker 11: Morgan, in the fourth quarter, you had kind of that
• 57:15
  Speaker 11: firefighter type drill where you were looking to punt and
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: then you decided to bring on your offense. Was there
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: ever a chance that you were going to go for that?
• 57:22
  Speaker 11: And just kind of what led into that moment where
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: just kind of trying to bring chaos into their side?
• 57:27
  Speaker 10: Well, we didn't really get to see the whole thing
• 57:31
  Speaker 10: play out because they blew the whistle. uh unfortunately the
• 57:35
  Speaker 10: clock operator had the clock going and so uh i
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: mean let's just say maybe we run a play maybe
• 57:44
  Speaker 10: we don't yeah no it's the bottom line is you're
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: you know you're trying to make sure that you catch
• 57:54
  Speaker 10: people off guard you know if they're not ready you
• 57:57
  Speaker 10: have an opportunity um but yeah we just that's something
• 58:02
  Speaker 10: that we decided we wanted to to try out and
• 58:05
  Speaker 10: we didn't unfortunately get to see the end of it.
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: You talked a.
• 58:10
  Speaker 12: Little bit about just Devin running and that's something that
• 58:13
  Speaker 12: you kind of want to balance.
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: I'm curious, it seems like.
• 58:15
  Speaker 12: It unlocked a little bit, obviously it was non-designed runs
• 58:18
  Speaker 12: on the scramble drill, but is there a way that
• 58:20
  Speaker 12: you guys want to implement more design quarterback runs or
• 58:24
  Speaker 12: maybe even stuff with Bird, just seeing how successful it
• 58:27
  Speaker 12: was on Saturday?
• 58:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, design QB runs, we've got a bunch
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: of them.
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: And we have some for Bird.
• 58:38
  Speaker 10: We also have a very good running back that we
• 58:42
  Speaker 10: like to get the ball to. Devin's going to end
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: up running just simply because if teams are going to
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: crash on the dive.
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: In option, he's pulling it. He's taught to pull it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 10: And he's smart enough to know, okay, they're going to
• 59:01
  Speaker 10: have different.
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: Ways of handling your read option plays.
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: Sometimes you're going to crash with your end and you
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: going to bring that back around on the gap exchange.
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: He did a really nice job, as well as our
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: offensive line, of seeing that, handling that, and creasing. So
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: a lot of his yards weren't necessarily Devin saying, I'm
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: going to put the team on my back. It's just
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: him taking care of his responsibility. But there are those
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: times where he does say, I feel I'm the best
• 59:36
  Speaker 10: player on the field and I'm going to make this happen.
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: When you're playing with a guy like that that's so competitive.
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: And 90% of the time he's going to be right,
• 59:47
  Speaker 10: it's hard to... There's two kinds of players that you
• 59:51
  Speaker 10: struggle with. The first is those that never do anything
• 59:56
  Speaker 10: that you tell them to do. And then the second
• 59:58
  Speaker 10: type are the ones that only can do what you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 10: tell them to do, meaning they can't ad lib. They
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: don't know, okay, I can take a chance here based
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 10: on what I see, based on film study.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: And so he's really, really smart.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 10: And we don't want to put the handcuffs on if
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: he's going to continue to make plays for us.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: So the offense does a really good job of balancing
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 9: that out.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: On Saturday you talked about beware of the soothing sounds
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: of praise. As a program, how do you make sure
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: your players aren't buying into the hype, and how do
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: you do that as a program?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 10: Make sure that they understand what wins and loses football
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: games and what's on film, that nothing people say determines
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: football games. You get teams that have unbelievable big wins,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: emotional wins, wins, and then the next week, you know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 10: you have the letdown effect. And so, you know, again,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 10: we're just going to continue to preach that every game
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: is a championship game because it's.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: Hard to win.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: There's parity. You don't know what other teams' motivations are.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: And when teams are playing ranked teams, they're going to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 10: bring it. They're going to be more excited, you know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: whatever that is. So, We just have to be us,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 10: and we've got to do it week after week after week,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: day after day after day, and this is the only
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 10: game that matters.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: Coach, I'm curious.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 13: Devin scores the touchdown to go up seven with.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Just over two minutes left.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 11: Was it ever a consideration to go for two and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 11: make it a two-possession game there?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 10: Defense was playing really well. That's not, in my opinion,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 10: a time to go for two. Others will disagree, but
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 10: with our defense, go ahead, drive the length in the field,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: and then if you score, you have to get a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 10: two-point conversion, and then we go into overtime.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: I believe in our guys at that point, obviously.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 13: Where do you feel your team can improve the most
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 13: between now and the rest of the season?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 10: There were some things on the offensive line in terms
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 10: of IDing stunts and Some things up front that I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 10: thought we did a better job of in the second half.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: We can't turn the ball over.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 10: There's them taking the ball away, and then there's us
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 10: turning it over just with bad decision-making, and we've had
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 10: a couple of those. So those are two off the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 10: top of my head. Defensively, communication in combo coverages. stuff
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 10: like that, maybe a little bit more disguising what we're doing. But, yeah,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 10: I mean, our coach is doing a really good job
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 10: game by game. It's just something different that shows up,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 10: and you just try and correct it as you go.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 14: Morgan, I'm curious your thoughts on Lucas Tamsula. He played
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 14: his most snaps of the season versus Houston, and he
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 14: had that big stuff on one of their run plays.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 14: How have you seen him maybe– get more comfortable since
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 14: when he stepped on campus to now that it's allowing
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 14: him to have added reps?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 10: Well, I think he's done a great job of, first
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 10: of all, you know, learning our scheme. Coach Ellis is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 10: fantastic with technique. He was continually playing with inside hands
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 10: and vertical leverage.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: The guy's strong as an ox.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 10: And it just so happened that we faced a lot
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: of goal line problems short yardage situations where we needed
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 10: that strength, and he showed up in a big way.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 9: Really proud of Lucas.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: Morgan, what do you like best about the way your
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: front seven's playing right now?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 11: Best rush defense in the Big 12, and what type
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 11: of challenges does the Cincinnati offensive line present this week?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 10: I would say that I'm most proud of us playing
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: with really good technique. Technique is what allows you to win.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 10: You can just be physically superior to an opponent, but
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: really when you're playing good on good, you better have
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 10: Fantastic technique. You watch Lance Holtzclaw and how disruptive he was.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 10: It's him taking on tight ends correctly with inside hands,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 10: getting knockback.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: Knocking off pullers.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 10: So the technique that our guys, our coaches, are holding
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: our guys accountable to, that's what's allowing them to play
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: so well. The effort is there. They're relentless to the football.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 10: You look at, let's see. There was a deep pass
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 10: to zero. And Rabbit Evans runs it down. If Rabbit
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: Evans doesn't take off once he sees that, the guy
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 10: scores a touchdown. He takes off, tackles him, and then
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 10: I believe, I don't know if it was three plays later,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: they're forced to kick a field goal. I mean, that's huge.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 10: And you've got to go back to that. You've got
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 10: to promote it. And your guys have to see how
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 10: valuable that is. okay, that wasn't my mistake, that wasn't
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: my guy, but I'm going to take off, and I'm
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 10: going to go, and he makes that tackle, and they
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 10: don't get seven. So I think that happened somewhere else
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 10: in the game, maybe with the quarterback. But that's just
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: so important, and it's a huge part of the game
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 10: that if you don't focus on, that is a touchdown.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: So really proud of those guys. What was the back
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 10: end of your question? Just the challenge they presented.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: Very athletic. Very sound. Well taught. And they get after it.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: They're a physical bunch.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 10: So the challenge is no different than any physical front
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 10: that you play. Can you play with better technique? Can
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 10: you match that intensity? They don't do it a lot
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: in terms of tails and stuff. You give stuff away.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: So you just got to get on good and here
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 9: we go, who's going to play with better technique?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 12: How did Houston limit Weishan in the run game, and
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 12: what do you have to do figuring you'll see.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: More of that down the road?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: I think they, you know, well, a lot of it
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 10: was they wanted to crash down. They were like, okay,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 10: Weishan's not going to beat us. And so, you know,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 10: what you have to do is, you know, maybe some
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 10: different things in terms of disguising how you're going to
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 10: run the ball. some more gap scheme stuff that's not
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: necessarily a QB pull or an option read. But, you know,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 10: they were basically saying we want him to pull it,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 10: we want him to pitch it, and Devin was doing
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 10: a really good job of making that work.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 13: Morgan, on that Houston touchdown drive, it took Houston. They
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 13: got to the 14-yard line. And then it took them
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 13: nine plays to actually get it into the end zone.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 13: As a coach who talks about your culture all the time,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 13: being relentless, was that a moment where they're coming off
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 13: the field that you're proud of the fight that they
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 13: put up?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: Oh, no question. Yeah, but again, look at the film.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 10: It's guys playing with great technique, coming off the ball.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: You get in the red zone, and you have to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: play on their side of scrimmage. And at times, you're
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 10: going to have to take chances. um that's why you
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 10: see so often uh in in football in the red
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 10: zone you know tight ends wide open because you took
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 10: a chance there's a pop pass or you know stuff
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 10: like that but you know uh.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 9: Really proud of our guys they.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 10: They knew that this was going to be a battle
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 10: this is a complete team that we were playing and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 10: and and they brought it so great job by those
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: guys In.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 11: That first half, the right side of your offensive line
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 11: was not handling the pressure as well. What changed in
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 11: the second half that allowed you to stabilize that and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: allow the offense to function a little bit better?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: Just better communication.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: Better communication from the offensive line, the tight.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Ends.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 10: There were a couple times in the first half where
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 10: we flipped protections where we shouldn't have and that's going
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 10: to cause free hitters to come. Much better communication in
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 10: the second half and That's another group, man, right there.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: Watch that film and watch them finish.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 10: Watch them push our running backs forward, our wide receivers forward,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 10: run down the field.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 9: I love that crew. The old block is doing a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: really nice job.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 12: Morgan, Kelvin Obok was listed as an out.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 9: I'm just curious, how is he progressing in week two
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 9: of the injury.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: And do you have a timetable on when he might return?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: No timetable. He's not out for the season. But we're
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: still getting.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: a second opinion on things and just to see give
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 10: him options as to what he wants to do there
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: is a possibility that he could be done for the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: season depending on what that looks like you know what
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 10: that opinion comes back as.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 9: But for right now, there's still a possibility he plays.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: Take one more from Joe.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: Obviously, you guys do so much with film watching and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: the eye test. I'm curious, analytically and statistically, what are
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: some of the stats that are predictive of success.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: That you use a lot in your programs? Ah, okay. So,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 9: you want to win? Score points.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 10: Scoring offense is always going to be one of the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 10: top statistics. Scoring defense, conversely, right?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: Rush defense.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 10: Rush offense, interestingly enough, doesn't show up as a big
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 10: stat for your top teams in the country. Now, yards
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 10: per rush, different story. So, are you rushing the ball efficiently?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 10: Same thing, passing the ball. Are you passing the ball efficiently? Uh,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 10: passing yards that, that will never, uh, show up. I mean,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 10: it rarely shows up in your top programs, turnover margin.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 10: They're really good at it. I think they're 14th in
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 10: the country and they're not turning the ball over and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 10: then conversely taking the ball away. So that shows up, uh,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 10: punt return yards. That's the number one special.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: Team statistic that you look at.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: Uh, probably because you're forcing teams to punt the ball,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 10: but also you're flipping the field in terms of the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 10: yards that you're gaining. So punt return yards shows up.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 10: A good amount of them, when you look at it,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 10: really are on the defensive side of the ball. That's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 10: why playing great defense is so huge and protecting the football.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 10: Chunk yardage plays shows up quite a bit. But we'll
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 10: have to sit down, Joe. I've got a nice little sheet.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 10: that I can show you from studying the top teams
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 10: in college football over the last 20 years.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:24
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• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: things about this Utah football team. Morgan Scali talking about
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: the stats that matter most and the stats that maybe
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: can be a little bit misleading. He mentioned scoring offense
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: and scoring defense, of course. Right now, Utah, darn it,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: they've dropped to the number two scoring offense list in
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: the conference, Oklahoma state had a big day. They scored what? 57,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I think against Colorado this weekend. So Oklahoma state is
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: now the number one scoring offense in the conference. They've
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: got 40 points per game. Utah drops to number two
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: at 37.4 points per game. Arizona is three. Houston is
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: for West Virginia is five. So even scoring offense can,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: is not the greatest indicator of, of, overall success because
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: West Virginia is still in that top category. Uh, TCU
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: is the top scoring defense in the conference. Again, these,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: these statistics by themselves can't tell a full story because
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: the final score of a game is really the only
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: stat that matters week to week. But TCU is struggling.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: TCU actually surprises the heck out of me. The kind
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: of year that they're having, they are one in three
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: in conference play. They are three and four overall, uh,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: And they have the top scoring defense in the conference.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Isn't that strange? Their first game, they held North Carolina
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: to 15 points, ended up losing. Their next two games
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: were against Grambling in Arkansas State. They gave up a
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: touchdown each in those games. In a loss to UCF,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: they still only gave up 21 points. In a loss
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: to BYU, they still only gave up 17 points. They
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: beat Baylor and held Baylor to six points, and then
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: they lost to West Virginia, and that's a 24-point game
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: for West Virginia. So defensively, TCU is playing winning football. Offensively,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: they are not. Utah is number two in both scoring
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: offense and scoring defense in the conference right now, and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: you saw this in the NFL this weekend where the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Giants and J.J. McCarthy made a very direct point about
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: it when interviewed yesterday. He's like, this is complimentary football.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: The defense gets the stops. Arvel Reese is one of
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: the biggest hustle players in the NFL this year, and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: he is a star. He's an absolute freak. He's a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: top draft pick. He's the kind of guy that, you know,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: sometimes you see them not run a ball down from behind,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: and he's doing it at the highest level. Cam Scadaboo
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: is running so hard that he's getting unnecessary roughness penalties,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: which was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: But complementary football is so massively important. And right now,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Utah is playing complementary football. Now, special teams kind of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: needs to catch up, to keep up with what offense
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: and defense are doing right now. I have thoughts about
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: why Utah that, you know, for two decades, special teams
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: was a massively important part of their success. And it's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: just kind of ho-hum now. missed field goal this last
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: week they have had a couple of issues and punt
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: returns uh thankfully the kick coverage has been a lot
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: better this year uh the kickoffs most of them have
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: gone out of the opponent's end zone and been touchbacks
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: which is better than giving a team a chance anyway
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: really interesting stuff from morgan scali at the end of
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: that press conference and We're going to have to now, collectively,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: we're going to have to figure out how to react
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: to Cincinnati because Cincinnati is good enough to beat you,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: and Cincinnati is sandwiched between a ranked Houston team and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: a ranked BYU and a ranked Arizona. So you've got
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: this Cincinnati matchup that is the classic trap spot. It's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: both an emotional letdown game on the road after Houston,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: and it's a look-ahead spot because you've got your rivalry
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: game at 10 a.m. The next week, which by the way,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Utah is going to play Cincinnati. Thankfully, Cincinnati is a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: day game because that game kicks off at 1 45 PM.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: If Cincinnati were a night game and Utah got home
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: at four or 5 AM on Sunday morning, and then
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: they had, I mean, it effectively takes away an entire
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: 24 hours of rest. in that case, because now you're
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: playing early on Saturday, too. Still, we'll discuss more of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: the kickoff time for BYU, which was just announced today.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, the Holy War is going
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: to be a 10 a.m. local kickoff. We'll talk about
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: the how and the why of that and much more
• 1:16:27
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  Speaker 1: story today. I'm actually bothered. I'm actually bothered that this
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• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: biggest win of the season. The reaction to that should be,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: all right, what did we learn about this team? We
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: learned about their ability to make plays. We learned about
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: the fact that they don't have to be overly dependent
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: on hot starts. Houston was the first team that stopped
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: them on their opening possession of the game. Heading into Saturday,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Utah was six for six offensively, not only scoring on
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: the first drive, but scoring touchdowns on the first drive.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And that was one of the concerns, if you had
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: any concerns, that was one that you could bring up.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Is this team full of frontrunners? They hadn't really dealt
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: with a ton of trailing. They hadn't dealt with a
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: ton of adversity from a more traditional college football sense.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: You finally trailed a little bit against Colorado and had
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: to come back somewhat in that one. In this game,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: you trailed for real. Utah had to pull themselves up
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: by the bootstraps. They showed us. for the first time
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: in the 2026 season, they're capable of doing that. Now
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: we have plenty to digest from this game. I mean,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I could sit and talk all day long and we're
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: going to have Jeff Schwartz on tomorrow and he's going
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: to talk with us about that blitz and the blocking
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: assignments where the offensive line and the running back can't
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: be right. According to Jeff, the quarterback is responsible for
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: the second blitzer where he's got to diagnose that that
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: blitz is coming. Know that he doesn't have numbers that
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: are going to be able to block that up because
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: you're your right guard is not going to be able
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: to peel back, or your right tackle, when John O'Hall
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: bails out of the formation when he's not rushing, where
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: it looks like he was going to rush pre-snap, he's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: not going to be able to peel back across the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: formation in time to block Jackson Benny. So actually, the
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: quarterback is responsible for getting the ball out or making
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: that guy miss. And Connor Wegman had absolutely no chance
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: because that was a lightning strike by Jackson Benny. And ultimately...
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Wegman coughs up the ball, Jaimoah is able to recover,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: and Utah scores on the next play. Now, you can
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: be nitpicky and you can talk about clock management and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: whether or not Devin Dampier should have scored on the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: first play from scrimmage after that or whether or not
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Utah should have gone for two to salt the game
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: away there. Oregon Scali informed us in his press conference
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: and in the answers there that, look, I trust my defense.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I'd rather... Be up eight and say, go ahead and
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: try and score on us. Try and score twice on
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: us because you have to score a touchdown, then a
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: scoring play on the two-point conversion. He'd rather do that
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: than go in tied. Makes perfect sense. We should be
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: talking about all this today. And the BYU kickoff time
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: drops and a bunch of Utah fans, most Utah fans,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: it seems, according to the reaction on social media and
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: elsewhere here on the text line.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: At least the Utah fans online and on the text line.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't like this. I get it. It's not perfect,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: but it is the showcase time slot available for the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Holy War. Now, this is a coin flip for me
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: because the Holy War is an incredible rivalry game. I
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: did a show with a betting network this weekend. I
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: was a guest on a betting network on Saturday morning,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: and the hosts were asking me about the nature of
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: the Holy war. This was not for on air stuff.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: This was the curiosity of a pair of hosts who
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: do betting radio in Las Vegas. They were trying, they
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: were asking me like, how intense is this rivalry? This
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: is before we recorded the segment. Like, tell me why
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: it's a great rivalry. And I was trying to explain
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: to them the cultural nuance and how there's so many
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: homes where like mom is a Ute dad is a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Cougar vice versa. Uh, Or generational thing where parents went
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: to BYU, kids go to Utah or vice versa. And
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: that's not as common with other rivalries, certainly as with
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: like Duke and North Carolina. But when you talk about
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma, you don't hear that stuff as often.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: USC and Notre Dame, that doesn't happen very often. The
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: proximity of these schools, all of it, right? This rivalry
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: game is so unique and so incredible, but it is ours,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: and it's only ever going to be ours. As much
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: as we want everyone else in the country to pat
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: us on the back and say you have one of
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: the best rivalries, they're not going to understand it. And
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: showcasing this game at 10 a.m. local noon Eastern time
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: means there's going to be more national eyeballs on the game.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: That's why Brett Yormark wants it here. That's probably why
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Mark Harlan wants it here. That's probably why the university
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: of Utah and BYU are both happy about it being there.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I understand why fans are kind of like, yeah, but
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I want to go to the game and I don't
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: want to have to get on the road from Provo
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: at 7 30 AM to go to this game.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 8: Fine.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: I don't have to go set up my tailgate thing
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: the night before and make breakfast at the tailgate. Well,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: why not? Breakfast tailgates are incredible. The thing for me
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: is anytime, anywhere, any weather, any television network, this game
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: belongs to us and us only. This is Utah's game.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: This is the beehive state, the most important day on
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: the sports calendar every year and trying to expand it
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: to a nationally relevant game is happening this year because
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: they're going to be top 10 teams playing against one another.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, even people watching
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: that top 10 matchup are not going to view it
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: the same way they view the The iron bowl. They're
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: not going to look at it. Like it's USC, Notre Dame.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: They're not even going to look at it. Like it's the,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: on the same day, Oregon, Ohio state is being played.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: People are going to look at that game and say, Oh,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: that one, that's two big boy brands in college football.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: So trying to, to do this with it, frustrates me
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: to some extent but that's as far as it goes
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: i don't care when this game kicks off it is
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: going to be the best game and if you're worried
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: about there's a bunch of people texting oh it's going
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: to be a crap showing for the holy war now
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: that's up to you that's up to me this one
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: is at rice echo stadium you're allowed to drink coffee
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: as a ute probably Get up, grab a Diet Mountain
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Dew if you're a member of the Church of Jesus
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Christ of Latter-day Saints, grab a coffee if you're not,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: and get your butt in your seat at 9.45 a.m.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: and make the atmosphere what it's supposed to be. If
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: you believe that Utah football is dependent on a full
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: moon to be good and for the atmosphere to be good,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: then you don't think Utah football is good. This is
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: a team of young men, not werewolves. that require moonshine
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: to get themselves going. You got to play when the
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: game is. If they told you, hey, we're kicking this
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: one off at midnight, guess what? Complain about it, but
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: you better show up. This is now a nationally televised
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: showcase opportunity for Utah and for BYU. And it's for
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Utah or BYU because the winner gets talked about. The
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: winner gets attention. The winner gets gets the spoils. The loser,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be everyone saying, hey, wasn't that
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: such a wonderful game? Wasn't that such an intense atmosphere?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible how these two teams have one of
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: these really unique rivalries in college football? That is not
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: how the national media is ever going to treat this thing.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Like Joel Klatt, he kind of knows a little bit.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: So he pushes that. Kirk Herbstreet tries to stump for that.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: But I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning, right?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: And they're not really good at talking college sports. They're
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: very much a pro sports show. But they still do it, right?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: And guess what game they didn't mention at bleeping all?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: There was not word one. There was not a whisper.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: There was not a fart. There was nothing about Utah
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: versus Houston. That was the ESPN College Game Day Game
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: of the Week. That was.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: A top 15 matchup. And do you know why they
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: didn't mention it? Because it was on after they went
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: to bed.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: That's a they're in Connecticut. That was a 10 30
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 6: kickoff for that's right.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: That kicked off at 10 30. They didn't watch it.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: None of them, the back row, the front row, Dan Patrick,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: they didn't see it. And that has happened with every
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Utah game this year, basically. So you get your rivalry
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: game and you get it when now those people are
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: going to be watching it and those people are going
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: to be talking about it. They're going to be forced
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: to because it's a top 10 game, which is why
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: ESPN or ABC is going to take it in that
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: time slot, noon Eastern, which is why Brett, your mark
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: in order to justify not putting this as the last
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: game of the year says we better get it on
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: national television. And when, by the way, internally, we were
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: having this discussion last week, about Utah only getting night games,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: guess what the two options for this game were? You
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: could be in the morning, because we already mentioned this, James.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: You can be in the morning. You can go up
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: against the other ranked versus ranked SEC Big Ten matchups
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: of the day and be on ESPN News, or you
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: can have prime location, prime broadcast spot on ESPN, on
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the big network, At, you guessed it, 8.30 local, 8.15 p.m.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 8: Local.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: So you got either the morning or another night game.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: And guess what Utah, internally and externally, was complaining about
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: for the last three times? Why are we always at night?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Why are we always at night? We don't want to
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: be at night. We want people to see us. The
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: university's priorities for showcasing the university and your priorities as
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: a fan are not the same priorities. I hate that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: that's true. They want this game in front of as
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: many people as possible. And the as many people as
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: possible time slot for November 7th in the year of
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: our Lord 2026 ends up being... 10 AM local. And
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: guess what? If you believe this team is college football,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: playoff bound, big 12 championship bound. You better be able
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: to play at 6 AM at 8 AM at 10
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: AM at one 45 at five 30 at at midnight,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: at 8.30, whenever. Conditions should not matter. Grogginess, sleep, all
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: that stuff, they affect both teams the same. And by
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: the way, this is a home game. So for BYU
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: and for BYU fans, it's much worse.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: And listen, there's Utah fans all up and down the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: Wasatch front. There's many in Utah County that are going
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: to have to be inconvenienced.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: By this travel.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: But as you said, it's a, it's a home game.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: So you, you think the vast majority of people in
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: that stadium are going to be closer to the stadium.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: So it, You're not having to travel near as much
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: unless you happen to be a season ticket holder that
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: lives in Utah County somewhere. And I don't know. I've
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: never liked the complaining about kickoff times OC. I think
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: that that being said, I think that the 815 is
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: the absolute worst one. 815 or later is the absolute
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: worst one for teams out this way. Mountain Time and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: Pacific Time Zone because it's no one's watching those games.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: 10 a.m.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: Is not the worst. I don't even think it's the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: second worst. I think it's because of big noon kickoff,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: this is not going to be a big noon kickoff game.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 6: They're not even going to have the show there. They've
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: announced it'll be the Army game because it's the game
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: before Veterans Day, so they're doing their salute to armed forces,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: I guess. But the big noon kickoff, what they have
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: done to the exposure of the noon Eastern game, the
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: 10 a.m. local game here in the Mountain Time Zone,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: is they've told everyone who votes in the polls, the
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: college football playoff committee, everyone who watches college football across
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: the country, that you better be paying attention to the
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: first game of the day. And they will be in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: this top 10 matchup. Get up a little earlier. It's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: going to be fun.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Game day is probably going to come back for this, maybe, potentially. Yeah,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: we'll see. There's a bunch of big games. You mentioned
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: all the big games, so we'll see about that. And
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: you know what? If they do... You know, it will
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: fuel you as a fan to get out of bed,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: show up on set and lustily boo Pat McAfee for
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: his cantankerous approach towards Utah and keep it on at
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, this holy war game, which
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: by the way, you can't overlook Cincinnati to get to.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: And the team won't, we as fans can do whatever
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: we want. Play it at 10 AM. And it's still
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: the best game of the year. And if you don't
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: think your team is going to show up and be
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: the best version of itself at 10 AM, then you
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: don't believe in Morgan Scali. You don't believe in Sharif Shah.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: You don't think that Kevin McGiven is the right guy.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: And BYU fans, same thing. I'm sure there's plenty of
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: BYU fans that don't like this either. Like you got
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: to believe that your team's good enough to win at
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 6: any time slot either against your biggest rival.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: My, my preference for me is the fan, right? night game.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Let's go. You know why? Because then I can hang
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: out with my kids all day and they're young enough
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: that at seven o'clock or whatever, I'm like, Hey, time
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: to start getting ready for bed. Dad has got to
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: go to the game. You know what I mean? And
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: it's wonderful because I get to spend as much time
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: as possible at home. And then I get to go
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: enjoy the game. And when I get home, everyone's asleep
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: and you don't have to worry about anything else for
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: me as a fan. That's great. That's wonderful. Mark Harlan
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: and company decided they don't want more of those this year.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: And you're not getting one. This is the holy war
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: people show up, stand up, be excited about it. Whatever
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: it is. When you want, you want the nation.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 6: To be paying attention to this game, especially because both
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: teams are probably going to be right here.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: That's the thing is like, I don't give a bleep.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: If there's somebody in Connecticut watching the Holy war, I
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: really don't because if they love it, great. If they
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: hate it, great. Doesn't affect us at all. Doesn't affect
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: a dang thing. It's not going to magically make people
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: respect the big 12 conference more. The only thing that's
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: going to do that is teams showing up and winning
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: in the college football playoff from the big 12 conference.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: And even then it's going to take two or three
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: years of that before the narrative changes at all. So again,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care, but the decision makers, the leaders that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: have to worry about things like enrollment and endowment and exposure,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: they have to care. So I'll take it. I'll understand
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: the reasons behind it. And most importantly, the, I'll be
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: there with bells on, just like all of you. So
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: don't complain about it. You can't complain about nights and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: complain about mornings and expect that you're only going to
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: get 130 or 530 kickoffs, guys. You can't. End of rant.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: I know you don't like to be lectured at, but
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just a bad person, so I do it anyway.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football preview coming next. It's the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 1: Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to The Sean O'Connell Show, your source for
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• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Here's O.C.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: From the Murdoch Hyundai Studio on ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 1: You're watching the World Series tonight, Game 3 in Tampa,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: starting 5.30 on your home of the Fall Classic right here.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Brewers do lead the series. Two to zero. Rays will
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: try to get one back at home. Or there's Monday
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Night Football. Eagles versus Cowboys. 6-15 kickoff. ESPN, ABC, Disney +.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: And a divisional matchup that... I mean, look. You got
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: your traditional rivalry situation and that kind of juice to it.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: But beyond that, the Philadelphia Eagles stink. The Dallas Cowboys stink.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: The Eagles, you could make a pretty easy argument or
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: even worse. They've got an absolutely abysmal scoring differential. They're
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: technically second in the division right now. But they're minus 31.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: The Chargers are worse. The Titans are worse. The Saints
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: are worse. The Cardinals are worse. That is bottom of
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: every division type number. And somehow in the NFC East,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: it works out for now for the Philadelphia Eagles. Dallas,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: same record, 2-4 on the season, 1-2 in the division,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: and a team that will never win anything for the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: rest of my life, and I think I'm okay with that.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: I think I'm excited about that. Bold prediction. I'm a
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: 49ers fan. I think that I shouldn't say it that
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: way because who knows what might happen. So here's the
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: reason I say it, because Jerry Jones.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Is a terrible identifier of player talent, but he's also
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: a terrible identifier of leadership talent to put in his
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: own organization. And it kind of makes sense because he
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: thinks he's smarter than everyone and he wants people that
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: he has decided are also smart like him. So then
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: the people that end up in that spot are either
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: going to be his own children, guess who they're like,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: or they're going to be people that he handpicks, guess
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: who they're like, And the results are going to be
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: the same. And I don't think that they're ever going
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: to sell the Dallas Cowboys to any other family because
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: it's like owning a cash printer in your own house.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: So I actually do believe that the Dallas Cowboys are
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: going to be this, some version of this, for the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: rest of my life.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: And I'm totally okay with it. You think even after
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: Jerry Jones... dies however many years in the future, you think,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: because it's going to just be handed down to probably
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: Stephen Jones or one of his other children and it'll
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: just be the same?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I mean, if it were one of
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: those things where, like, you know, he would have sold
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: by now if he was going to sell. He's in
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: his 80s, right?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: He probably wants it to be like the Buss family, which,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: by the way, that's not going well in the second generation,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: but he probably has that envision of, like, what the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: bus family was for the Lakers where it's like, no,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: we're not selling this.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: This is a family heirloom. Which by the way, is
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: exactly what I would do if I were in that position.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's the return on investment now based on
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: what he bought the Cowboys for to what he could
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: sell the Cowboys for would be like however many hundreds
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: of X. So maybe the kids will get together at
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: some point. We're like, okay, now that he's not here
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: and can't yell at us over it, let's, let's sell this. We'll,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: we'll each get, you know, $ 4 billion.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: And maybe it, maybe they won't have this intense family
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: feud between the children, like the bus, like the bus
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: children have had.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe they will either way. It'll be probably entertaining for us.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: By the way. I know it's a very like, it's
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: totally off topic, but it's not because we're talking about
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: sports ownership here, but whenever you hear about, you know,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: mom or dad or grandpa or grandma, is the sort
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: of progenitor of the success, and then the handover happens,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: it is so prohibitively rare that the next generation handles
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: the situation even close to properly. Where it's just like
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: smooth sailing. It's like.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: You would think that every pro athletes child would be
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: really good and potentially a pro athlete. And then you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: look at it and you're like, Oh no, it's actually
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: kind of rare.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Like when it does happen, it's awesome. And we've hyper-focus
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: on it, but it actually is kind of rare that,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: It's not just like this direct lineage thing. There are,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: I will say this.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: There are a lot more guys who are not, not
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: necessarily all of them are stars in pro sports right now,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 6: but are at least making it in pro sports. If
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: not being stars that were children of athletes, that seems
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: to be more of a thing now, but you're, you're
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: still absolutely right. It's not like, like Michael Jordan's kids
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: were not great at, we're not great athletes and make
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: it pros LeBron James. I mean, Bronnie's in the NBA
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: barely like you, the guys that you just go, Oh yeah,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 6: they're going to be awesome. They're going to have awesome
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: children at sports. Like it doesn't typically work out that way.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: And the ownership thing is even worse because there's not
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: like a genetic component to that. No, some pro athletes,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: it's just like they pass down the size and the
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: strength to be pro athletes. I don't think there is,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: and maybe I'm wrong here. I don't think there is
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: like a billionaire gene where it's like, you are a great,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: maybe there is an entrepreneurial gene or something like that.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: But I think that a cushy life like weeds it
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: out of you potentially. So then every time you get
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: to the second or third generation people, like even the
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: San Francisco 49ers, right? That's a family organization. They've, they've
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: kept it in the family and they've passed it down.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Jed York is getting arrested for hanging out in trailer parks.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Now he's in, he's done a decent job with the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: team itself, but had success under him.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: It's like, what's going on here?
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, James stolen his dad bought the Knicks and
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: Madison square garden and all that. Jimmy said, he said,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: what do you want? He said, I want, I want
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: Madison square garden. And yeah, the Knicks just won the championship.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: But like, do you think that James Dolan is good
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: at being an owner?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Like, come on. All right, we will take another break here.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Zach Moss, sideline reporter, Utah football legend. He's going to
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: join us to talk about a massive win against Houston
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: and how you avoid the trap that is the Cincinnati
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Bearcats and a road game next week. Zach Moss next.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: That's me in the corner.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 10: Hour number three on a Monday.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: And we start with Zach Moss, the Utah football legend,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: NFL veteran, handling the sideline duties on Utah football radio
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: broadcast now. Zach Moss, welcome back to the show. How
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: are you, sir?
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: Good, good. Doing good. How are you?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Doing great. Wild night at Rice Echo Stadium on Saturday. Obviously,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: you were there on the sidelines. And let's talk about
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: the atmosphere first. Blackout game, night game, Morgan Scali's first blackout,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: and an undefeated team welcoming a top 15 Houston squad.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: The must showed out. The rest of the stadium was full.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: It was loud, was crazy. You were a player for
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: some big moments and some big noise at Rice Echo Stadium.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: How did Saturday night compare to the best of those?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely up there.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 7: That was an absolute spectacular environment. The game warranted it
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 7: for sure. So it was awesome to be inside there
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: on ground level, getting to.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Experience it all.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 7: Those are the type of games that you know, as players,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: you never forget and things of that nature. So happy
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 7: that the fans were able to make that an impactful
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: game in a lot of different ways for us. So
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 7: going to need that in about two weeks as well.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: We will.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: That'll be a 10 a.m. kickoff. We were just talking
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: about that. The Holy War announced as a 10 a.m.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: local time kickoff. What do you think of that?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Early.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Real early kick. You know, but A lot of people were,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of 50-50 on it because of already having.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: The super late games and we get the super early
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 7: one right after about four straight late ones. But, you know,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: at the end of the day, you know, there's a
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: lot of really good games going on that same week,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: that same weekend.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: And we're in a really good spot with that at
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: the end of the day.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: I know it's super early, but we pretty much get
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: to start the day off, get the Saturday off early.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 7: and put us in a really prime situation so everybody
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 7: on both sides of the coast can see what Utah
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: football is about, continue to see what this rivalry has
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 7: been over the years and things of that nature as well.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 7: So early, so get your coffee and things of that nature,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 7: but it's a really good spot at the end of
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 7: the day. to showcase what we are able to do
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 7: on this field right now, what we've been doing over
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 7: the last couple weeks here.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm happy about it.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: So let's get back to this Houston game. First one
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: of the season where Utah doesn't take possession and march
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: down and score a touchdown on the first offensive drive.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: Houston has all season long been really good defensively, especially
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: against the run. And they were able to stymie Utah's
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: efforts in that first drive, that first scoring drive. So,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a different feeling for that offense than
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: they've had in any game. It's a different feeling on
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: the sideline than anyone's had in any game. What were
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: your thoughts when this game started out in a way,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: you know, not the hot start we were used to
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: from Utah?
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 7: You know, it makes sense why it wasn't the super
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 7: hot start that we were expecting, you know. is Houston
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: teams really good, especially.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: In the ring game.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: They were really, really good. And that's the aspect of it.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: But they hadn't played a team yet like ours that
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: has so many different weapons when it comes to the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: ground game. So, you know, Dan Pierre, how good the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 7: company he had, you know, that was what was going
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: to break the game and pushes over the top and
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 7: exactly what he was able to give us.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: Cause that's what we were going to need. Houston was
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: really good.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: Getting into different fronts and things of that nature. And
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: Devin was able to, you know, hurt them in the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: run game when it came down to being able to
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 7: call pass plays and making 10, 15, 12-yard runs and
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 7: things like that. So that was awesome to see that.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: But nothing that was, you know, obviously when you get
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 7: shut out, naturally everybody kind of has a lot of
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: question marks around that in that first half. But the
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: boys responded. They showed the type of offense that we've
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: been able to see. Now it ends up being a
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 7: little later in the game. but they know they can't
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 7: have those type of issues each and every week, especially
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: these next few weeks. So I'm sure they'll get all
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 7: that kind of corrected and watch the film and get
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 7: better from that. That was a very physical game for
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: those guys as well. So I'm not super worried about it,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 7: but they did show a lot of different things when
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: it came to adversity that they hadn't even been in
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: all year in that.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: One single game.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: We've talked about this with Wayshawn Parker before, but this
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: was another game where he had to affect the game
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit more without the ball in his hand.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: It was quiet for him from a production standpoint. Houston,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: I think, came in with a game plan. Don't let
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: him beat you. Make Devin Dampier beat us. And thankfully,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Devin's capable of doing that, and we'll get to him
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: here in a second, but you played the running back position,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: and when a team keys on you as effectively as
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: Houston seemed to key on Weishan, how do you make
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: yourself effective still and help your team?
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  Speaker 3: You know, some games, you're just not going to have.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 7: The gaudy numbers that you would want each and every
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: week as a competitor. I think, you know, he still
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: impacted the game a lot when it came to him
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: being on the field, where he was aligned, you know,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 7: people accounts for him, eyes on him, things like that,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 7: which allow certain things to open up in the past,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 7: the game when we did throw it and you know,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: certain things for, for Devin to, you know, exploit as well. So,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: you know, even when you're not, you know, having the
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 7: ball in your hand is what you're able to do
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 7: when you don't have the ball in your hand, right?
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: You know, the type of effort.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 7: He's still giving, the type of, he has some bullets,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 7: pickups in that game as well. He caught a guy
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: on the other side of the line of scrimmage and
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 7: literally ran through the A-gap, knew the guy was blitzing
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 7: and got all the way to him on the other
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 7: side of the line of scrimmage. So, you know, he
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 7: was still being him, you know.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: Without having to be able to touch the ball every
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: single play. So that's the type of stuff that shows
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: up on film. that, you know, scouts and.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: Things at the next level pay attention to as well.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: It also bodes well, because the last time we talked
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: about this, about way Sean not getting as many touches,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: then the next week he went off, I think for
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: three touchdowns. So now I'm expecting that again, Cincinnati, because
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: way Sean's not going to be relatively quiet two weeks
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: in a Rose act.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: No, he shouldn't be.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 7: We don't, obviously we shouldn't also expect that. I know
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: he doesn't think that's going to happen again. You know,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 7: But this Cincinnati team is going to present some challenges.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: They're riding high with some momentum and things like that
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: on the road. So this team can't sleep. They can't
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: start slow and things like that. I'm sure he's going
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: to have a big part in the game in getting
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 7: him going early and trying to establish that run game
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: early versus the Cincinnati team.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Devin damp here, uh, 18 to 26, 204 yards. He
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: did not throw any touchdown passes. He scored two on
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: the ground 15 for one 50. Uh, and he, he
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: ran in for a couple of touchdowns. He did throw
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: the two interceptions. I want to stay focused on the
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: positive here for one second though. Uh, it seemed like
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: he was playing a little bit more free when the
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: pocket would start to break down or he couldn't find
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: the open man. I think in recent games, maybe all
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: this year, he's been a lot more careful about immediately
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: taking off and running. In your mind, what was different
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: about his willingness or ability to run when those seams
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: opened up against Houston versus the first six games of
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: the year?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I mentioned it in our podcast, and
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 7: our pregame show with Bill Sly. Um, you know, he
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: hadn't really been asked really. I mentioned it last week
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 7: versus the Colorado game is which way I thought he
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: would have another big night on the ground, um, as well. Um, But,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: you know, he hadn't been asked really to, we hadn't
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 7: really drawn up a lot of QB runs as much
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 7: as we did last year, how effective he was, especially
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: early in the year until he had that ankle injury
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: last year. You know, in the passing game, he really
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 7: hadn't been looking to scramble as well. You know, and
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 7: credit to him because he put a lot of work
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 7: into the offseason of becoming more of a better pocket
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: passer and staying in there and trusting those guys up front.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 7: which those guys up front have done an absolute great
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 7: job of making sure he's been able to be clean
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: for the most part of the year.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: But, you know, I was able to talk.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 7: To him Saturday night after the game and, you know,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 7: I asked him essentially the same thing, what kind of
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 7: started clicking in the run game for him and why
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 7: he was able to put the numbers he was able to. And,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: you know, pretty much he just said that that was
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 7: something that they realized that going into this week, you know,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: Houston was going to, give him some rushing lanes. Um,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: and you know, you could tell it was something that
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: the coaches and things like that talked, they talked about
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: going into the week because, you know, it wasn't any, Oh,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 7: should I run kind of hesitant, jumping around in the pocket?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 7: You know, he, when he saw something that he liked,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: he took it right.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: It was right away.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter if it was two, three straight plays
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: in a row. Um, no matter what was called, he
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: was going to take, call his own number on some
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 7: of those runs and it paid dividends. Um, getting a
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: lot of momentum going into that second half to close
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: out that first half. So yeah, he was pretty much just,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 7: you know, they talked about some things and, you know,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: Houston kept giving it to him and he just took
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: advantage of it.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: And, you know, that was huge.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: Zach Moss is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: talking Utah's big win over Houston, 21, 13, top 15
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: matchup at Rice Echo stadium this last Saturday night. Daniel Bray,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Morgan Scali just shouted him out in the press conference
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: not so long ago. Daniel Bray only got three carries
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: in this game, but he made them count. The timing
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: of those carries, his production on those carries. I mean,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: it's clear that this young man has like a really extreme,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: a crazy high upside for this Utah football team. But
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: as we've talked about all year, there's only so many
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: touches to go around. How do they get Daniel Bray
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: more involved?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: Speaker 4 0 1. Yeah, I mean, he's a dynamic weapon.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, Sly is always calling for him to touch
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: the ball in any way, shape or form, because, you know,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 7: he's one of those players that, you know, he doesn't
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: need the ball a ton of times to end the
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 7: game with, you know, he can have a game where
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: it's five carries 80, 85 total yards, touchdown, two touchdowns,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: you know, you get up in space, you had a run.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 7: Saturday night that he was real close to breaking. He
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 7: got to the second level. He just got tripped up
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 7: a little bit. And the guys were able to corral
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: and get to him. But he's explosive. He's one of
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: those players that you really got to figure out a
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 7: way to give him the ball, and that comes down
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 7: to the coaching, right, and putting him in the right
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: spots and the right timing and calling his number because,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: you know, when he walks on the field, you know,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: defenses are key to him, right, because he's not.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: On the field, you know, 50, 60 plays, 50.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: Snaps or whatever it may be. He's not that guy
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 7: doing that. As of right now, he's being asked to
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 7: come in, you know, maybe 10 to 20 plays. And
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: when he's on the field, you know, he's a high
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 7: alert guy to get the ball and what type of
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: plays that they like.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: To run with him. Right.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 7: So there's a lot of film on him and it's
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: really hard to get him into space sometimes. But, you know,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 7: that's on the coaches to keep trying to figure.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: Out different ways to get him on lock so that they.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: Can continue to create explosives. And, you know, this team
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 7: doesn't have to go in 10, 15 play drives.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: A lot of different times.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the blitz that Jackson Benny
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: hit Connor Wegman and ended up coughing up the ball.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: John Moyes able to, to get the fumble and Utah
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: then takes it in on the very next play. The running,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: the Houston running back. I don't remember who was in,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: I think it, I think it might've been Rashawn Sanford
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: that was in Uh, having to block on that, but
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: he can't be right in that situation. I watched that blitz.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: I talked to one of my, my buddies who was
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: an NFL lineman for a long time. He, that running back,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: that blitz is designed. So he can't be right. Cause
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: he's either got to try to block the first body,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: which I think you're supposed to do. You could tell me.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: And that's Cyrus Polu. And that allows Benny to come
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: through or he sees Benny come and he goes and
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: blocks Benny. And now the linebacker is on your quarterback.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: You played the position. I'm sure you've been put in
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: that situation a time or two. Tell me what it's like.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Tell me what that running back is seeing as that
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: blitz is coming.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a hard blitz for back because, you know,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: and the center, right, because he's the one usually, you know,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: turning the protection to certain places and things like that. And,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: you know, that's why Coach Scali calls it the unblockable.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: Blitz, right? It's hard. It's not, you know, I've.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: Been able to do a lot of blitz pickups in
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 7: my time, and it's very rare that uh got beat
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: on um the schematic part of it but yeah.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: It's a really hard one i mean we even literally.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: Looked that way first um and then kind of just
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: started going into his progression um just absolute perfect timing
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 7: on benny's part because that's that's really the part that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: is um that you got to hit perfectly right because
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 7: if he's already in the gap if you stand up
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 7: in the gap before the play is snapped, right? Like
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 7: that's an easy pick, uh, let's pick up if he's
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: too far off from that nickel spot and he's not
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 7: already kind of lean and, and, and, and things of
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: that nature, right? The timing part, uh, he won't get there.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 7: Thankfully the guys back in, uh, We were able.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: To hold up for a few little.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: Ticks more to get him, you know, home on that blitz.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: So everything was literally perfect on that blitz call. Just
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: the execution from Jackson going inside the C-gap, the defensive end,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: taking the tackle.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: Out and then buying the guard's eyes.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: You know, that's literally how you draw it up and
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 7: it's literally how it played out on that field. And
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, absolutely the best play and the biggest play
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 7: so far of the season.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: The ensuing offensive possession, Dev scores on the very first play.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: And there's still more than two minutes left, so you've
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: got the two-minute timeout coming. Houston, I think at that point,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: had one timeout left maybe. And there's a school of
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: thought that you try to milk a little bit more
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: clock off there. Utah scored immediately. You could also go
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: for two, go up nine, make the game truly out
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: of reach. They kick the extra point. They go up
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: by eight. We'll start with the clock management. Were you
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: surprised to see them score quickly there? Did you think
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: that maybe you might see a couple of runs, even
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: if you have to kneel it down on the goal
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: line to get an extra snap out of it?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: No, I think you want to take points where you
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 7: can get them. credit to our defense. They, they had
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: played absolutely outstanding on defense side of the ball, especially
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 7: in the red zones. Many times Houston got into the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 7: red zone and they came out of there with, you know,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 7: essentially nothing, right. They got one phantom PI call that
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: got them points on the board late in the game
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: So, you know, You got to go with the points.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: You got to take the points so you can get them.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Trust in your defense.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 7: Your defense had absolutely been balling out all night long.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: So what was going to change in the last few
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: minutes of that game? Probably nothing. They had banged up
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: Wegman pretty good as well. So they were feeling really good.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: So it was perfect to see them do.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: That the way they did it because.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 7: Sometimes when you want to take a few more time
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 7: off the clock, want to do little certain things, right?
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 7: That's not always going in your favor, right? I think
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 7: if you look at the UCF and BYU game, you know,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 7: that was... a game where, you know, you kick the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 7: field goal with 11, 12 seconds, whatever it was on
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 7: the clock when they had to fall on the first down, right?
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 7: And that's, in my opinion, as a player, that's what
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 7: I would have done because then you get in a
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 7: scenario where, you know, you snap the ball, you spike it,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 7: then you have another play where you throw it up down,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 7: so you're pretty much icing your own kicker, having to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 7: waste two or three plays, and then, you know, you
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 7: go out there and get the kid blocked. So, you know,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 7: when you've got the opportunity and you got to strike
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 7: when it's, when it's the right time and, and, you know,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 7: that's what they were able to do and pay dividends.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: Speaker 0 7, So how do you, how do you
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: avoid the pitfalls that Cincinnati potentially presents here? First of all, they're,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: they're good football team. Good enough to beat top 10,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Texas tech just this last weekend. It's sandwiched between your
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: first emotional win of the year and what is certainly
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: going to be a very emotional game against BYU. And
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: you got Arizona right after that. So Cincinnati doesn't have
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: the ranking next to their name. They're not a traditional opponent.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: You don't have history built up. I mean, it's very
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: easily the type of game that human nature can take over,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: like we saw with BYU after beating Notre Dame. They
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: go on the road. They lose to a team like
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: UCF that they're better than. Utah's better than Cincinnati, should
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: beat Cincinnati, but you still have to be your best
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: in order to do so. How does Utah make sure
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: that Cincinnati doesn't bite them, doesn't surprise them?
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: It was an emotional win for sure.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 7: But I think that it was, you know, being able
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: to be down there after the game and talk to
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 7: some of the guys and just the energy and the vibes.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: I picked up on.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 7: You know, it was emotional, but it's not something that
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 7: they were surprised that they won that game.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like, oh.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: Kind of shocked to get a win and things of
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: that nature, right? They were more so just almost focused
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 7: and hungry just to get back to work this week
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 7: to start fixing those things that, you know, allowed them
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 7: to come out into, especially in the offensive side of
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 7: the ball and start slow and things like that. That
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 7: really wasn't, you know, obviously what they had been accustomed
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 7: to and stuff like that. So, you know, they understand
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 7: what Cincinnati is, You know, it's doing right now what
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 7: they were able to do last week, obviously going on
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 7: the road after a physical game, like they got their
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 7: big time game, late game, college game. They all the
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 7: extra hoopla and stuff like that. You know, I think
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 7: these guys will be ready. You know, stuff like that
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: comes down to coaching. You know, the players will be
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 7: players and do player things, but the coaching staff has
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: to make sure these guys are absolutely locked in because
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: this is what you call a trap game, right?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: Look at BYU, right?
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 7: A big, super big win versus Notre Dame. But, you know,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: you could tell there was a lot of emotion on the.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: Field from the players and stuff like that.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 7: And, you know, that carries into the week, right? That's
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 7: why coaches are so strict on having 24, 48 hours
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 7: to enjoy this.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: Win and then wipe it away, right?
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 7: If you lose, you got X amount of time to
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 7: just wipe it away because... That win or loss from
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 7: the previous game doesn't help you going into the next
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 7: week at all. It doesn't really matter because whatever interception
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: or tackle or missed tackle or missed block or touchdown
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 7: that may have occurred on either side of the ball
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: for us, positive or negative, isn't going to help you
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: going into that next week. So, you know, these guys
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: are ready for that. They understand what's out in front
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: of them and where they want to go, what they
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 7: want to do, and that they have everything in front
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 7: of them right now. So I don't expect this to
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 7: be a trap game, but I expect Cincinnati to definitely
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 7: not lay down because they have every right to try
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 7: to go ahead and knock off two of the better
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 7: teams in the big 12 back-to-back weeks.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation going about the general vibes.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: And we've certainly talked about it plenty on the show,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: but the vibes are always good when you're winning. People
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: want to say, this is a Morgan Scali thing. This
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: team wouldn't be this way. They wouldn't have this much fun.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: If it was anybody else, certainly not. If it was
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham, I think we still need to be fair
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: to Kyle Whittingham, even if you don't like what he
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: did and how he left, whatever, but you're right there.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: And you were in this locker room as a player.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: You've been around this program. How pronounced is the difference
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: in vibes, for lack of a better term, under Morgan Scali,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: especially when your quarterback throws an interception or you're trailing
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: like you were against Houston?
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Coach Scali has done an amazing job with the culture.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 7: You hear that word a lot. Devin Dampier, Saturday night,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 7: used that word a ton, right? Guys buying in since
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 7: the beginning of the season, since the offseason, and, you know,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 7: the guys that he's been able to, that's been on
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 7: leadership council and stuff like that.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 7: When they walked out of halftime of that game, right.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 7: Trailing after you just missed the field goal, right. As well,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 7: trailing and you, then you go come out and you
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 7: go down 10, zero. Um, and, and Cincinnati's had the
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 7: ball forever. Um, in the third quarter, you could tell,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 7: I could tell, you know, just sitting there, I'm eating
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 7: a cookie as the guys are walking out of that time. Um,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 7: and they're, Their confidence level is high, right? You would
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 7: have thought this was the beginning of the game.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: You know, how much.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 7: Talking and how much hyping each other up there still was, right?
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: Even after a very low moment in the game, right?
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, you missed a kick.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 7: You don't really have much offensive success in the first half,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: all that type of stuff.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: You can come out flat, right?
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: You can come out a little bit like, ah, this
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: game can be.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: Over, right?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: That's all it takes. It only takes one guy.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 7: To think like that, to feel like that, right? And
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 7: then they react like that on the field, and then
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 7: it becomes reality.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: So, you know, these guys truly.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 7: Truly, truly, truly believe in everything Coach Scali has been preaching,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 7: everything he's been doing. The culture is so strong within
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 7: these group of guys. They truly do, you know, love
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: each other and care about each other, and they play for.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: Each other, which is amazing. you know, really hard to
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: do in any level of football.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 7: And I can only imagine probably how hard it has
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 7: been as well. And a challenge, I should say, when you,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 7: you throw in, you know, different guys making different types
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 7: of income when it comes to NIL and stuff like that,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 7: because sometimes you get guys that just think about themselves
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: and all right, well, we're down 10 zero. Let me
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 7: figure out how I can just keep making my tackles.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 7: Or maybe I don't need to communicate as much. I
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 7: may need to all the little things that you can,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 7: pop up because we're all human. The coaching staff, the
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 7: weight room staff, the trainers, literally every single person inside
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 7: of that building deserves a lot of credit because it
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 7: takes an entire family group effort to live the culture
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 7: that allows you to come back versus a very, very
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 7: good Houston team at home.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: Do they win in Cincinnati, Zach?
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  Speaker 3: I believe so. I don't see why they don't.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, I think they get back to
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 7: a little bit of who they are offensively.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: I think the defense takes another step forward.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 7: You know, as well, because, you know, that's what good
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 7: teams do. That's what championship caliber teams do. They keep
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 7: finding a way to win and keep finding ways to
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 7: get better. They don't get complacent in the things that
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 7: they've done in the past, right?
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: They don't rely on those things.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 7: They keep trying to figure out, okay, how can we
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 7: get better? How can we get better? And they have
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 7: a coaching staff that is also thinking and believing the
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 7: same things as well.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: So I think, you know, a big challenge.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 7: There's going to be a big challenge, the biggest challenge
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 7: on the road so far with a Cincinnati team playing
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 7: with a lot of confidence, knocking off a tech team
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 7: in a dominant fashion, I should say. Not a knockoff,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 7: walk-off field goal or anything, in a very dominant fashion.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 7: So Cincinnati is definitely not a team to be slept on,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 7: and it's going to be a very, very good game
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 7: out there in Cincinnati.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: That is Zach Moss, the Utah football legend, NFL veteran,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: and voice on the sidelines for the Utah Football Radio broadcast.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the trip. Have some Skyline Chili for us or whatever.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: I guess you know that place well, though, so it's
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: not exotic for you to go and have Cincinnati food.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 7: No, I would not be trying any Skyline Chili again.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: That time of my life has passed.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: All right, Zach, appreciate you. Thanks, man.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: All right, my man. Take care.
• 2:06:51
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  Speaker 1: Cal says, love Jackson Betty sack. It came right when
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: we needed it. Didn't love that touchdown was taken away
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: from way. Sean Parker. What a catch that way. Sean, way.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: Sean's most impressive play was ultimately wiped off with that
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: crazy catch. He made right on the sideline tiptoeing. He is,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: he is Utah's best football player. It was a quiet
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: game for him. And obviously Devin is incredible. Devin Dampier
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: had his best game of the year. Even if he
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: threw those two interceptions and you always want to wipe
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: those out, you want to take away the habits that
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: are creating those interceptions, but he won you this game
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: and you have to give him credit for that. But
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: still way Sean week to week to week is he
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: is absolutely unreal. So that, that, that did suck that
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: he had that taken away from him.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks Al Harrison.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 6: No, that was sometimes you're just, what was he less
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 6: than a yard off, not off side, but off too
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 6: far downfield.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: Like he was just barely too far downfield. It sucks.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get a chance to talk to Al Harrison
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: about what happened there because like he is, he's the guy,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: he's the one telling all the other offensive linemen what
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: to do. So could it just been a brain fart
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: also depending, right? Sometimes if you don't, if you thought
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: that maybe protection broke down or something, you would think,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Devin is running now. So let me
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: get downfield and block for him.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, we saw potentially the best offensive lineman in
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 6: Utah football history do this last year in a big
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 6: game in Spencer Fano.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: Like I got to bring up old stuff. I'm just
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: saying like, it happens to the best of us. Also
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: wiped off a touchdown, which in a game you ultimately lost.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: So that sucked. But at the end of the day,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: both of those very interesting moments, I cannot, I cannot
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: give Colton Swan enough praise for the performance we saw
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: from him and his defense because I think there was,
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: and we'll get a chance to talk to him at
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: some point, I think there was a concerted decision made
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: to give Connor Wegman different looks in the first half
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: and the second half. I think they wanted to give
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: the four-man pass rush a chance. I think that they've
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: asked these guys, they've challenged these guys, you've got to
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: get home, you've got to do better, I need you
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: to pressure. To me, it looked very clear that they
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: also talked about how dangerous Wegman could be if you
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: opened up too large of lanes for him, like Houston
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: did for Devin with his legs. I think that Utah
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: was maybe just as focused on condensing and collapsing the
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: pocket inward as they were about trying to rush wide
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: and get around and spin move and all that kind
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: of stuff. We'll maybe get a chance to talk to
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: Colton and OK Brechterfield about that at some point. But
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: the fact that in the second half, especially when the
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: chips were down, especially when it was really time, they
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: just heated up Wegman. They started throwing things at him.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: And that sack, the unblockable blitz, as Morgan Scali called it,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: was just perfectly timed and perfectly executed. And we got
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: a ton of texts about that at the beginning of
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: the show. need be given to find a way for
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: way Sean to produce. Even when the box is stacked,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: this coming from Michael. Well, here's the thing. You actually
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: don't need way Sean to produce when the box is stacked.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: And what Kevin McGibbon is able to do is he's
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: able to find ways for the offense to produce when
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: the box is stacked, when the box is stacked, here's, here's, here's,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: who's going to get more. If teams keep giving that
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: look to the, Utah's offense. They're like, don't let way
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Sean Parker beat us. Make Devin Dampier do it with
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: his arm. Okay, fine. You know, who's going to have
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: a day when that happens? Noah Benny. You want to
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: know why? Because the box is stacked big tight end.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: Like him. Looks like he's in there to run block
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit, little chip, sell the run, little play action. Oh, Oh,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: linebackers crashed down thinking they're going to plug a hole
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: on the play action and And now Noah Benny is
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: eight yards past the line of scrimmage and he catches
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: something and he's shown a little wiggle. He's shown a
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: little shake. So as long as the offense is producing
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: against a stacked box, it doesn't have to be way
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: Sean Parker. If they're going to account for number one,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: you hurt them. with number 12 and number 17 and
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: number seven and number 89 and number five. And then
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: they're like, crap, we can't just key in on number
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: one anymore. And that's when number one starts to kill
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: you again.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: And I'll say this too.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 6: I think it's absolutely encouraging that even he, even when
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 6: he has a subpar stat game, way Sean Parker, like
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 6: he did against Houston, which is all about Houston's defense, right?
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: They showed every.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 6: Bit why they're a top, top part of the top half,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 6: top part of the nation and rush defense, right? Um,
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 6: he scores way Sean still scores the go-ahead touchdown, arguably
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 6: the most important touchdown.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: Of the game.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 6: Even when he's being contained, he still makes maybe the
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 6: biggest play of the game. And if not for that, uh, well,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 6: I guess it was the same, it was the same
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 6: touchdown drive, right? That he would have, he would have
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 6: caught that amazing touchdown catch. So he makes two touchdowns.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 6: He gets two touchdowns on the same drive, basically. One
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 6: gets called back. That shows so much about his mettle,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 6: just as you've talked about and others have talked about,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 6: showing so much of what Devin Dampier is made of
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 6: when he has a subpar stat night throwing the ball,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 6: and yet he still makes the biggest plays of the game.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: Two interceptions, one really bad one at the end of
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: the game there.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 6: He was able to overcome that and give you a
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 6: clutch touchdown at the end to put it a little
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 6: bit more out of reach. Your two best players on offense,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 6: they have that thing that you need them to have
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 6: in the clutch. And that's an incredible thing, even when
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 6: seemingly nothing else has gone right for them the rest
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 6: of the game.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: This is a shout-out, and I appreciate you bringing it
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: up because we've had so much to talk about today,
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: I never got to it. The bull rush sack by Jaimo,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: it was one of the best plays you are ever
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: going to see a defensive lineman make in the world
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: of college football. That was a 5'10'' D-tackle running a 6'4,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: 330-pound guard backward like he was playing against Little Leaguers.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: That was a thing of beauty. And It's all about
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: pad level. It's all about timing. It's all about rush.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: That poor Houston offensive guard is going to, he's literally
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: going to have nightmares about that play for the rest
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: of his life. He will. I know this because there's
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: one play, and I've said this on the air before,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: there's one play from my high school career against Alta
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: that I still have nightmares about. That guy, Jaimo, is
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: going to be the subject of that man's nightmares until
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: he utters his last word and takes his last breath
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: in this world. They're going to be 50 years from now.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 6: If those two guys cross paths, the guy that got
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 6: bull rushed, that lost that bull rush to Jaimo is.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: Going to bring it up.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 6: Like, dude, I still think about how nasty that sack
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 6: was that I gave up to you.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: And look, he. I don't even know. I didn't, I mean,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: looked at the pro football focus grades for either of
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: those players in the game. You may very well, it
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: might've been 50, 50 all game long. They could have
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: just been like two bull elk locked in rutting season
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: all game and just back and forth, back and forth,
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: back and forth. But the play that everyone is going
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: to remember, including both of those gentlemen is the one
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: that you can watch the highlights of. And it's just Jai,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: running that man back. He didn't even touch the quarterback.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Jai himself didn't touch the quarterback. He just knocked his
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: own man into him. That is, that is, that is
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: so much more impressive. That's like, I can't get to you.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: So instead I'm just going to throw your own guy
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: at you. That's that's rough for the office. You know,
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: who does that? You know, who developed a reputation as
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: literally the best in the world ever at the position
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: by doing that. Aaron Donald did that so often offensive
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: line guys will, you know, those like NFL films where
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: there's an offensive lineman sitting there in front of like
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: a muted backdrop. And he's just like, yeah, man, I
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: thought I anchored down. I thought I had him blocked.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: And instead he hit me with the hump move and
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: I get knocked back into my own running back. And
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: it's a tackle for loss.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: Jai. Yes.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: We, we said it in the off season, he's undersized.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: He's a beast. I mean, just call him Aaron Donald,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: the Aaron Donald of college football. That's what we said. Oh,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: that's what he is.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 6: We said that he had that same, I mean, we
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 6: were talking about because people had questions about the defensive line.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 6: And one of the reasons why people had questions about
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 6: that is guys just weren't as big as some of
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 6: the best defensive lines we've had here at Utah.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: Over the years.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 6: And we talked about, Hey, The way that they're talking
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 6: about Jai in practice, I mean, it might not matter
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 6: if he's not the biggest guy and he's shown it
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 6: so far this season.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: All right. I put a new poll question up. Would
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: you rather Utah football versus BYU? We got the the
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: kickoff time announced on the start of our show today,
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: 10 a.m. Not a big noon kickoff game, but the
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: big noon kickoff time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Noon Eastern 10 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Local.
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  Speaker 6: Did they, I haven't seen, they haven't game day as
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 6: an announced where there'll be that day.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Okay. So still, that's still a possibility. Notre Dame
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  Speaker 1: Miami is playing that day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So Ole Miss Georgia, It feels like maybe probably one
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  Speaker 6: of those two games.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? Pat McAfee is probably crying and doesn't want,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want college game day to come to Salt Lake
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  Speaker 1: city ever again. And that's fine, Pat.
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  Speaker 6: Because some students asked other students to do a, to
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  Speaker 6: do Pat McAfee impersonations.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's some kind of insult. Maybe come on, maybe
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: develop something new in your bit and don't just take
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: your shirt off every time. Sorry that you were predictable
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  Speaker 1: and the students called you out for it. Who cares, Pat? Anyway, um,
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  Speaker 1: Would you rather they play at 10 a.m. Mountain Time, 5.30 p.m.,
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  Speaker 1: and you go opposite Notre Dame-Miami? On CBS Sports Network,
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  Speaker 1: no doubt. Something like that. Or another night game at
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: Rice-Eckel Stadium. Right now, 77% of the votes, and I
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: just put this thing up. One vote has come in
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  Speaker 1: for 10 a.m. kick, so it tells you how people
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: are feeling about the actual kickoff time. 77% of the
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: votes are coming in. Go ahead and go opposite Notre Dame-Miami, 5.30 p.m.,
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  Speaker 1: And then 20% are coming in on another night game. So,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why I asked it because we got to
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  Speaker 1: a point where people are complaining about too many night games.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Mark, Mark Harlan publicly last week said, look,
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  Speaker 1: I talked to ESPN. I talked to Brett Yormark. We
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  Speaker 1: want to spread these out a little bit more. Now
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  Speaker 1: I need to be clear. The athletic department doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: the TV network is going to make the decision that
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  Speaker 1: they want to make. They're going to put the games
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: where they put the games. Officially, what the athletic department
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  Speaker 1: or the university president or even Brett Yormark want doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to be taken into account by ESPN and ABC.
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  Speaker 1: And probably isn't. But they're going to express their ideas.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a week ago that there was like a, hey, yeah,
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: these are great, but can we not have so many
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: of them?
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 1: That was the sentiment when we were at the game
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  Speaker 1: last weekend. Hey, another night came and people were like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: we've had too many of these this year. And I'm like,
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? Look at a gift horse in
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: the mouth. We get seven home games this year, six
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  Speaker 1: in most years. You could give them to me whenever
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  Speaker 1: you want, but I understand, right? Feel how you want
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  Speaker 1: to feel about it. Nobody wants this at 10 a.m.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants it at 5.30. Very few people want it
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: at 8.15. And that, that person wants it at 10 AM.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: Technically one person that, that is, but at real OC
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: sports to vote on the poll for me, I don't
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  Speaker 1: care if the rest of the nation watches this game.
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  Speaker 1: So I wish they were catering this to the local
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  Speaker 1: audience more, but again, you, you can't whether Brett, your
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  Speaker 1: mark can call ESPN and say, put it here or
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  Speaker 1: don't put it here. You can't say at big 12
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  Speaker 1: media days, the reason we put this game here is
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: because we don't want it to get buried. And then
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  Speaker 1: when it's given like a prominent spot, be mad that
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: it's given a prominent spot. So I, you can't, there's
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  Speaker 1: gotta be somebody, I don't know who it is. There's
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: gotta be somebody that has the bat phone. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: only big 10 commissioner, people of Aqua, the Notre Dame guy.
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  Speaker 1: maybe Sankey down in the sec. They're probably the only
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  Speaker 1: ones with the bat phone that could pick it up
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  Speaker 1: and say, I don't want this game here, or I
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: do want this game here. And the networks listen to them. Yeah, probably.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I want Brett your mark to have that level of influence,
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  Speaker 1: but for me, I don't need the game to be
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  Speaker 1: nationally prominent for the big 12. They do. For the
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: university of Utah. I think it's better for the universities,
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  Speaker 1: like overall kind of outward public facing stance that, Hey, look,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: this is a big time game. This, we are putting
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  Speaker 1: them in this time slot for the locals in the stands.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: You're going to be there. You're going to be crazy.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: You're going to be loud. You're going to be caffeinated.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: You're going to be full of bacon and cinnamon rolls.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: And it's just going to be a little bit different
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: than a night game.
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  Speaker 6: Some full of omelets, no doubt, too. Like, just breakfast, food, waffles.
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  Speaker 6: Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Hashtag Big 12 after dawn. I don't know. Anyway, vote
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• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: I am all the way in. I am signing up
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: for the Pat McAfee versus University of Utah beef. He
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: went on his show today and talked about how uncomfortable
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: he was at the University of Utah. He was so
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable that he decided to make... He alluded to the
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk on the UVU campus. That's how
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: sensitive Pat McAfee is when the university Instagram account... put
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: a jokingly critical video about him out. I just, I
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: absolutely love.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: If you want to be, and look, he's charismatic. He's
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: got his own thing going. He has one at life. Okay.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: He's in movies. He just recorded an album. He's got
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: a humongous show. He's got more money than he knows
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: what to do with. He's got college kids complaining about
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: getting million dollar kick opportunities from him. He's won, okay?
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: But I love a good beef, all right? And I
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: hope that Pat McAfee never wants to come back to
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City because you can't have it both ways, okay?
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: You cannot be the media outlaw that I do it
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: every way I want and be a silly nanny sensitive guy,
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: all right? You can't cry about an Instagram video and
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: be the one who... gets the curse on ESPN. You
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: can't have it both ways. And guess what else you
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: can't have? You can't have Ryan Smith's hand in your
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: pocket and your hand in his pocket. And you can't
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: be cuddling with each other and also have Utah love you.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: So I, I enjoy this beef. All right. Pat McAfee
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: is a BYU guy and that's totally fine with me.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: And guess what? Dave Portnoy, he's a BYU guy, Utah
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: versus everybody, baby. Including, well, no, not including Spence check.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: It's he's, he's pro Utah.
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  Speaker 15: I spent, that would have been a weird continuation of
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 15: the list. If you threw my name on it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think of Dave Portnoy, Ryan Smith, Pat McAfee,
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: Spence check. It's same category.
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  Speaker 8: Well, if the bank accounts line up, then I'm really
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 8: fine with that.
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  Speaker 1: They all look the same.
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  Speaker 15: Look, man, number one, I'm, I'm the wrong guy for this.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 15: I can't stand this dude. He makes my blood boil.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 15: There's something about Pat McAfee that bothers me greatly. I
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 15: don't get his appeal. I never have. I don't understand. Like,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 15: for instance, the only time I hear anything Stephen A.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 15: Smith says is on accident.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 15: I'm never watching his show. I don't know what his
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 15: thoughts are on anything. And I feel the same way
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 15: about Pat McAfee. The only time I ever hear anything
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 15: that Pat McAfee says is accidental.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 8: I don't watch his show.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 15: I don't watch Game Day anymore because of Pat McAfee.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 15: I didn't watch the Game Day show in Salt Lake.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 15: I didn't watch it in Provo. I find him so irritating.
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 8: But this.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 15: Development has revealed him like this fragile court gesture, right? This,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 15: this small little man, baby clown who stands up in
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 15: front of audiences of millions and millions of people every
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 15: day and take shots at people every single day, left
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 15: and right has revealed himself to be the worst type
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 15: of person, the type of bully that can dish it
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 15: out and dishes it out on a daily basis and
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 15: But as soon as one little piece of pushback comes
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 15: his way, he cowards away like the man baby that
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 15: he is.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 8: He is a fragile clown.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 15: He is a court jester that has marched out in
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 15: front of audiences to entertain people.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: And when.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 15: He gets a little bit of a taste of his
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 15: own medicine, he reveals himself to be this fragile, weak.
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  Speaker 2: Fraud.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 15: In my opinion and he's he said at the end
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 15: of the uh... of the show on the clip that
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 15: was going around to take houston he said i hope
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 15: i see you never and i guess what that the
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 15: feeling is mutual pal you know what i don't ever
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 15: i don't give a rip if you ever stepped foot
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 15: in the salt lake city again high again.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 8: Is that you play this clip on accident.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 15: Again on the wrong guy for this cuz i i
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 15: don't get it there's so many things Like Pete Davidson
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 15: is not funny at all. There are so many things
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 15: about this generation that I don't get Pat McAfee among them.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 15: And I hate what ESPN has done with Stephen A.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 15: Smith and Pat McAfee having to lay off 150 people,
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 15: some of whom I knew.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 8: Because I don't find him funny. I don't find him informative.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 8: I don't find him entertaining.
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  Speaker 15: So when it comes to this whole deal, how it's
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 15: gone down, I'm the wrong guy for it because I
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 15: think he's a clown anyway. I, I, I bear no.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: Such ill will towards Pat McAfee in general, but I
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: really think this beef is a good thing. So like
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: the way that you manage this, if you're the university
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: of Utah is you lean all the way in and
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 1: you say game day, come back. Don't bring that idiot. Like,
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: just do it. Just, just live in this space. He
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't like you. You don't like him. You don't always
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: have to get along. I love this. I'm happy for this.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: It like, I feel as though, again, he's our age,
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: my age, he's being sensitive about what college kids standing
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: in line for game day are saying about him. Knock
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  Speaker 1: it off.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like you, you can't be sensitive about that thing
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 1: and also be like this gunslinger. So Utah is as
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 1: far on the right side of this thing as you
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: can be. The girl kicking for college game day maybe
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have said, I only get one million. Like, that's
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: probably not what you should say when you get your
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: four seconds of fame on TV.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 8: It was a bad look.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: However, lean into it. I want anti-Pat McAfee shirts the
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: next time they come. That's what I want.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 8: The only thing worse than complaining about the money was
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 8: the kick.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: The kicks.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 8: The poor girl.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: No, not poor girl. Don't sign up to kick if
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: you're that bad at kicking.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 15: Like it was bad that she complained, but it was
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 15: worse that that's what the kicks turned out to be.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: You know what the craziest part of it was too?
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: Is like everyone else, there's like this kind of grand
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: pause before they kick. Like Kirk herb street gets down
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: and he gets ready to hold the ball. And then
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: Pat kind of gets out of the way and the
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: camera just, and everyone's like, okay, are we ready? Is
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: everyone ready? Crowd makes one more pop. And then it's
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: kind of like a one, two, three. And then there's
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: a kick.
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: Our girl Morgan, as soon as Kirk herb street got down,
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: put hand on ball.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 12: She Kick again.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, whoa. Take a pause. Take a breath.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: It was as bad as it could possibly be.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 15: I hate to say this, but as soon as they
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 15: showed who the kicker was.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 8: I was just like, okay. It's not going to go well.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 3: Dicey.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: Dicey territory. You're right.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 15: And then she ran straight and tried to kick it
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 15: with her toe. If you're going to sign up for
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 15: the opportunity, just maybe take some practice kicks throughout the week.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 15: And then this clown, this fragile man-baby, has the nerve
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 15: to bring up Charlie Kirk's assassination, intertwined in the conversation
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 15: about why he felt uncomfortable. Like, dude, this guy, man, again,
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 15: and I want to reiterate what you said earlier. I
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 15: say this all the time. This is a tough business
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 15: to last in. It's a tough business to last in
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 15: on any level. And certainly... in the modern day with
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 15: podcasts and social media, traditional sports media is a hard
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 15: place to carve some real estate out for yourself and
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 15: certainly a really hard place to achieve the level of
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 15: success that he has.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like unprecedented what he has done.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 8: So, I mean, I say this about Stephen A.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 3: Smith.
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  Speaker 8: Not my thing.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: Not my deal.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 8: Good for him. Pat McAfee, not my thing. Not my deal.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 8: I don't get it.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: I never have.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 15: Barstool Sports has never been anything... Again, Portnoy, if I
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 15: hear anything he has to say, it's because some pizza
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 15: video has gone viral or whatever. I don't seek this
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 15: stuff out, but they're the ones that have carved out
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 15: this portion of real estate, tapping into whatever nerve they've
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 15: tapped into to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 8: So good for them. But it's just, it's not for me.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 15: And so when I hear Pat McAfee talking smack on
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 15: my school and my city, my reaction is good riddance, dude.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 8: You say, I hope I never see again. Well, guess what?
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 8: The feeling's mutual. For me, at least.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: I like it. In the funnest way, I like this.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: I hope the beef. I want the university and everyone
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: involved to deliberately escalate it. Print the t-shirts. Put the
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: unedited posts out. Bring them all to the front. Because
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: just lean in, man. No such thing as bad publicity.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: Let them talk about you and Pat McAfee not getting along.
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  Speaker 8: You know that's not going to happen, though, right?
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: I know it's not going to happen. I want it to, though.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 1: There's got to be some rogue social media intern up
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: there that's just like, yeah, man, he didn't like the
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: way we edited that video. We only showed the funniest,
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: kindest stuff. I want the real bad stuff.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 15: So what was said that got his ire the most,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 15: that he was a creep because he takes his shirt
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 15: off in front.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 8: Of young women?
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: Somebody was like, why is he taking his shirt off?
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: It's creepy. He takes his shirt off in front of
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: college kids or whatever.
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 6: And if I'll interject, he mentioned multiple times, including on Saturday,
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 6: about the guy who said he's probably going to say
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 6: something corny. He mentioned multiple times he didn't like that
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 6: he was being called corny.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 6: And if you watch it, Spence, you remember when wherever
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 6: Dick Vitale would go, they would have like a Dick
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 6: Vitale impersonation contest. And it was always tongue in cheek
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 6: and like hilarious. That's all they were trying to do.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 6: And that's honestly all the nature of that post was,
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 6: was kids going, well, let's see, let me think of
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 6: Pat McAfee.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: Well, he'll probably do this.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 6: And one kid decided to say that he'll probably say
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 6: something corny, like grow.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 9: Up, Pat.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 15: Well, and also he will say something corny because he's
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 15: a corny dude.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's just lean in. Pat will lean in because
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 1: it'll get him more views. University of Utah. Lean in.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: Get yourself. Make yourself the last bastion of hope for
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: all the Pat McAfee haters. I got one sitting right
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 1: in front of me here. He already loves you, but
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: there's Spences in every city. They will love a university
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: taking on Pat McAfee. Go for it.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 15: The other weird deal is once people start to impersonate you,
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 15: it indicates you've reached a certain level of fame.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 15: It's like Keenan on SNL. His Stephen A. Smith is hilarious.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 15: You know, like SNL's done Stephen A.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: Smith.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 8: Have they done McAfee yet?
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 8: I honestly don't know.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 15: But yeah, look, I didn't see the social media post
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 15: about the students imitating him, but the clip of him.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: Because the school took it down.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 9: Oh, did they?
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 8: See, they're not leaning in, man.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: They took it down because he was mad about it.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 15: But the clip of him bitching and moaning and whining
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 15: today was making the rounds.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: So....
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 15: It is, I mean, to use a term the kids say,
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 15: it is Charmin soft, dude. For a guy that has
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 15: that level, it reminds me of like Kevin Durant checking Twitter.
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 15: I'm like, what are you doing? You're worth $ 700 million
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 15: and you're one of the best offensive players of this generation.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 15: You don't need to know what. At RocketFan473 thinks about
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 15: your turnover rate, dude.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 8: Get offline.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: Pablo Torre will investigate anything. I want him digging into
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 1: the Pat McAfee burner accounts. You know they're out there.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the drive with Spence Jackets. We're hanging
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: out tonight, Spence. Yes, we are. Me and Spence are
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: judging a karaoke contest together.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 8: Come on down to Bar Namesu.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 1: Bar Namesu on Highland.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 8: The one on Highland.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 8: Are we performing or just judging?
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: Probably both.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 8: Okay. You better show up.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the drive. CSPN 700 and 92 on FM.