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WEALTHY FLORIDA REALTOR-BROTHERS' RAPE 'TROPHIES' REVEALED, NOW COURTROOM WIN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the Last Days. A bombshell move in the case
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Speaker 2: of the so called real estate Bros. Three brothers rolling
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Speaker 2: in money charged with sex trafficking and rape. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 2: in the last days. A federal judge throws out a
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Speaker 2: lawsuit filed in New York accusing the brothers of rape.
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Speaker 2: That's right, even though they're under federal indictment for multiple rapes.
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Speaker 2: A lawsuit filed in New York claiming real estate moguls
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Speaker 2: towel or in an Elain Alexander rape to.
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Speaker 1: Woman was thrown out?
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Speaker 2: Why US District Judge Lewis Kaplan of the Southern District
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Speaker 2: of New York rule the rape accusation by Angela Parker
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Speaker 2: against the brothers would have taken place too long ago,
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Speaker 2: falling outside the state statutes of limitation. For the case
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Speaker 2: to move forward, the rape would have had to have
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Speaker 2: happened after June eighteenth, twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Isn't there a way to toll the statute?
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Speaker 2: What is at the heart of the allegations against the
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Speaker 2: so called real estate Bros.
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Speaker 3: A trio of brothers, luxury real estate agents to the
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Speaker 3: super rich indited on federal sex trafficking and battery charges.
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Speaker 3: Claims go back more than.
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Speaker 2: A decade, claims going back more than a decade.
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Speaker 1: Try two decades. Now, forty women that we know of.
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Speaker 2: The claiming these filed the rich real estate moguls took
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Speaker 2: part in rape after rape after systematic rape, and that
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Speaker 2: the allegations go back to when they were in a
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Speaker 2: high school. All that money, all that privilege and education
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Speaker 2: has bought them a one way ticket to Hell with
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Speaker 2: a pitstop and the federal penitentiary.
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Speaker 1: That's my prediction.
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Speaker 2: But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the
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Speaker 2: US attorney, has to say.
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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips
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Speaker 4: with paid for the flights or accommodations for the women
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Speaker 4: on these trips, and at times the defendants handpicked the
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Speaker 4: women to invite. At other times they used paid party
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Speaker 4: promoters to source women for them. The indictment also alleges
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Speaker 4: that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers and
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Speaker 4: others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to the women,
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Speaker 4: including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB.
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Speaker 1: As we allege that these drugs.
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Speaker 4: Caused some of the women to be physically unable to
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Speaker 4: fight back or to escape.
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Speaker 2: Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty
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Speaker 2: or should I say the new ditties? Now that's what
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Speaker 2: the US attorney he is saying for the US is
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Speaker 2: tread for the Southern district. But I want you to
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Speaker 2: look at orin Alexander on the founder.
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Speaker 1: Having the abilities to work with my brothers, have a
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Speaker 1: partner with your brother. Just think about that for a second.
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Speaker 3: It's the biggest issue you have in partnership is trust
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Speaker 3: and knowing that.
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Speaker 2: You don't have to.
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Speaker 1: Worry, honey, you got something to worry about.
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Speaker 2: Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies
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Speaker 2: against you.
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Speaker 1: Let's just analyze what we just heard. And that's where
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Speaker 1: our friends.
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Speaker 2: That from the founder on YouTube, that's or an Alexander
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Speaker 2: one of the and I mean filt the rich rolling
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Speaker 2: in money, that's or an Alexander quote. Having the ability
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Speaker 2: to work with my brother, to have a partner who's
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Speaker 2: your brother, you know, just think about that for a second.
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Speaker 1: Don't worry, I'm thinking about it.
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Speaker 2: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and
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Speaker 2: knowing you don't have to worry.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what happened with me? An All Star panel, Let's
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Speaker 1: get to it straight out to.
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Speaker 2: Christina Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel.
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Speaker 1: Christina, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I'm really curious about how much money these two have,
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Speaker 2: and this goes all the way back. Their family is wealthy,
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Speaker 2: their grandfather wealthy, blah blah blah blah, kind of like
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Speaker 2: Luigi MANGIONI just all that money to silver spoons in
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Speaker 2: the mouth.
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Speaker 1: And yet this what happened, Christina.
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Speaker 5: You know, actually I think it started way back when
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Speaker 5: they were in high school. As people are now starting
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Speaker 5: to come out and say that they actually had a
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Speaker 5: sex fan that was parked in front of their parents
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Speaker 5: forty million dollars beachfront of state where the boys, the
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Speaker 5: brothers in high school would take women to have sex
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Speaker 5: in that bus.
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Speaker 6: In front of their parents' house.
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Speaker 5: So this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps
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Speaker 5: by their parents, all the way through. Then you add
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Speaker 5: the hundreds of millions of dollars and properties that these
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Speaker 5: brothers have sold in the security business, and they're pretty
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Speaker 5: much running around town doing anything that they want, including
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Speaker 5: according to prosecutors drugging women raping women. Each brother has
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Speaker 5: separately been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible
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Speaker 5: rapes by women, and prosecutors are saying that.
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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Christina, Christina Ohio, hold on, don't wait a minute,
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Speaker 2: we were just looking at them. Karen Stark, why is
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Speaker 2: it so hard for people to believe that super wealthy,
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Speaker 2: college educated, great job guys can commit heinous crimes. That's
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Speaker 2: what he posted on his own Facebook.
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Speaker 7: Go ahead, well, I really believe Nancy, and people see
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Speaker 7: this outward of parents. They're dressed so well, they look
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Speaker 7: so terrific that they buy that that they believe that
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Speaker 7: that's what they really like, and they have no idea
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Speaker 7: what's going on behind the scene. And actually the fact
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Speaker 7: that he says he trusts his brother, I was thinking, yeah,
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Speaker 7: they trust. All of them trust each other in supporting
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Speaker 7: the crimes that they committed, which made it even worse
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Speaker 7: because they were encouraged.
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Speaker 2: Nima Ramani is joining US high profile lawyer out of
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Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,
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Speaker 2: president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of
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Speaker 2: Harvard to hashtag Nima, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Many people not familiar with our world of crime would.
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Speaker 1: Say, hey, why do they have to rape women? With
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Speaker 1: good looks?
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Speaker 2: Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they
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Speaker 2: look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all
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Speaker 2: that money, they could get any woman they want, so
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Speaker 2: why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually
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Speaker 2: worked on jury's before, Nima, it has.
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Speaker 8: But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're
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Speaker 8: talking about drug induced orgies. Right. We're multiple men, including
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Speaker 8: the two others, are allegedly having sex with the same woman.
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Speaker 8: So yeah, women might want to have sex with a handsome,
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Speaker 8: wealthy man, but not get in a situation where they're
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Speaker 8: having an orgy and they are being violated by multiple men.
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Speaker 2: Your speaking sense to me, Yes, I know that. That's
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Speaker 2: my point, Nama, I'm like two steps beyond that. Of course,
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Speaker 2: what you just said is right. What I'm saying is
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Speaker 2: it would be argued to a jury just look at them.
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Speaker 2: Why would they have to source women with a pr
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Speaker 2: person in other words, basically pimp pimp for the brothers
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Speaker 2: because they could get any woman they want. Therefore, ergo
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Speaker 2: they're innocent.
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Speaker 8: It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new women
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Speaker 8: every single night, and they want to do things to
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Speaker 8: these women that a lot of women wouldn't consent to. Now,
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Speaker 8: obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going
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Speaker 8: to get into all that. But that's why they're using
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Speaker 8: drugs like GHB to drug these women so they can't
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Speaker 8: say no. That's what this is all about. And Zatal
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Speaker 8: as old as time doesn't matter if it's the Alexander Brothers, Diddy,
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Speaker 8: I can see that.
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Speaker 2: I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication
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Speaker 2: problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.
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Speaker 2: I'm Linn Shaw helped me out here, founder executive director
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Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex attacks on children and women.
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Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make the point that the argument will
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Speaker 2: be made by the defense. I already know the facts
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Speaker 2: is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani just said,
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Speaker 2: I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay, the defense
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Speaker 2: is going to argue at trial they don't need to
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Speaker 2: rape women.
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Speaker 1: They can get any woman they want. Therefore, this is consensual.
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Speaker 2: That's bs it's argued in so many rape cases.
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Speaker 9: I call them the Alexander brothers crime family, and I
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Speaker 9: call these Dirty Diddy complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are
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Speaker 9: so big they're out of control. Again, this is the
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Speaker 9: same story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges
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Speaker 9: like this, that so many vulnerable girls and women. I'm
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Speaker 9: gonna throw in the girls again. I wish we could
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Speaker 9: get down to were there any miners involved, but that
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Speaker 9: will unfold at some point. They want to see and
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Speaker 9: live this lifestyle. Many of these women were approached online
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Speaker 9: complete strangers, and they said, we'll fly you out, we'll
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Speaker 9: give you hotels, we'll give you parties, we'll give you clothes,
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Speaker 9: and vulnerable people girls especially, really want to experience this.
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Speaker 9: I'm here to say if this case can help us
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Speaker 9: educate the general public, because we're hearing about all these
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Speaker 9: you know, Dirty Ditty, We're hearing about Tape Brothers, We're
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Speaker 9: hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're hearing about now these criminal
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Speaker 9: Alexander brothers.
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Speaker 1: If it could, if it.
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Speaker 9: Could water down eventually, my hope is to everyday cases
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Speaker 9: that are happening, that nobody will ever hear those victims,
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Speaker 9: see those victims, so we can educate everybody when they
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Speaker 9: offer you something like this, this lifestyle for free, They're
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Speaker 9: going to fly you somewhere run in the other direction.
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Speaker 9: This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their homes,
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Speaker 9: overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better educating
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Speaker 9: the public, girls and women about all of this.
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Speaker 2: Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong, Christina,
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Speaker 2: a whyo joining me from Salem Use Channel over one
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen million dollars.
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Speaker 5: Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that is.
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Speaker 5: The parents have offered to put up to one billion
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Speaker 5: dollars to get their three boys out of prison, out
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Speaker 5: on bail. They've even offered to put them up in
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Speaker 5: a second story apartment complex where they're jail time, pre trial,
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Speaker 5: that has no beachfront, that has no luxury that's you know,
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Speaker 5: guarded twenty four to seven h guard way.
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Speaker 2: Whoa whah, white white white Christina, Wait, did you say
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Speaker 2: the parents want to get them out of jail on
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Speaker 2: a billion as in brother b brother billion dollar bill.
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Speaker 2: And the.
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Speaker 1: Jail is because they don't have a.
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Speaker 5: Beach, they won't have a water view, they won't have
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Speaker 5: any orgies, and it won't be luxuries so that's what
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Speaker 5: they're considering to be jail. And yes, up to one
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Speaker 5: billion with a beach is what they're willing to put
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Speaker 5: up to get their three sons out of prison.
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Speaker 2: Bill Day, it's the ditties, It's the new ditties because
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Speaker 2: all the money procuring the women, making other people be
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Speaker 2: your hench person to bring women to you, to drug
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Speaker 2: them and rap them. Those are the allegations that presumed innocent.
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Speaker 2: But also is Luigi Manngioni all over again. Here is
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Speaker 2: a rich brat kid whining about how US common people
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Speaker 2: have to live with the healthcare industry while he's in
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Speaker 2: a beach front Hawaii luxury high rise condo. His great
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Speaker 2: grandparents and grandparents broke their backs coming to this country
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Speaker 2: and becoming millionaires, working up from nothing nothing, passing it down,
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Speaker 2: so Luigi Mangioni could wind in his luxury condo.
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Speaker 1: These two same thing, Bill.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, And in this case, they've actually built their business,
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Speaker 10: so they've built their brand. They now feel omnipotent. I
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Speaker 10: mean they have money, they're they're traveling with celebrities, they're
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Speaker 10: flying on private jets. You know, they're selling these huge,
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Speaker 10: multi multi million dollar properties. They are getting headlines in
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Speaker 10: all kinds of media, including their own real estate empire.
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Speaker 10: So you know these are the paper people. If I
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Speaker 10: put a profile around them, not an FBI profile, but
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Speaker 10: I know enough of them to speak about how these
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Speaker 10: people become it can become emboldened, emblazoned. It's both feeding
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Speaker 10: the ego as well as also just their ability to
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Speaker 10: control things. So they like to be able to control everything,
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Speaker 10: whether it's the deal or people.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, I got a superseding indictment.
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Speaker 2: I bet that's making Nima Ramani just clench because when
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Speaker 2: you see the FEDS have a superseding indictment, this is
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Speaker 2: for conspiracy to commit sex trafficking on.
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Speaker 1: These rich brats. That means, hey, we have one go
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Speaker 1: at you, but we're not through.
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Speaker 2: We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with
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Speaker 2: more charges. It supersedes the previous indictment. Yeah, they may
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Speaker 2: be rolling in money, but apparently the.
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Speaker 1: FEDS don't care so exactly. Who are the so.
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Speaker 11: Called real estate Bros. There are three Alexander brothers. Two
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Speaker 11: of the brothers are twins or an Alon, their older
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Speaker 11: brother Tall Tall and or In Alexander are known in
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Speaker 11: the world of high priced real estate, having broken to
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Speaker 11: four nine million dollar deal for their dad in twenty
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Speaker 11: twelve and a two hundred and forty million dollar deal
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Speaker 11: for a Manhattan condo sale in twenty nineteen, while Oran's
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Speaker 11: twin brother Alan attended law school before joining the family's
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Speaker 11: private security company Ken Security.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the Last Days a major blow to an alleged
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Speaker 2: rape victim. A federal judge throws out a lawsuit. That's
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Speaker 2: a civil suit filed in New York against the Alexander
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Speaker 2: brothers accusing them of rape. The alleged victim, Miss Parker,
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Speaker 2: claims in the fall of twenty twelve, she and a
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Speaker 2: friend were invited to one of the brother's apartments in Manhattan,
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Speaker 2: where they were given ecstasy and drinks.
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Speaker 1: She says she was enraped.
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Speaker 2: By a lawn and tow Alexander while Oran Alexander watched,
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Speaker 2: noting her friend was hiding in a stairwell after being
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Speaker 2: groped by a lawn Alexander. In a sixteen page written order,
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Speaker 2: Judge Kaplan gave Parker until Feb fourteen to file emotion
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Speaker 2: requesting an amendment relating to tell Alexander, who she claimed
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Speaker 2: attempted to sex assault her years later? Can that charge
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Speaker 2: be revived? If not, the entire lawsuit will be thrown out.
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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, the Feds have a massive indictment
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Speaker 2: against all three brothers.
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Speaker 1: What's that all about.
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Speaker 12: In a fifteen million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the
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Speaker 12: Alexander Twins Orin and Elon celebrate their twenty eighth birthday.
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Speaker 12: Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display
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Speaker 12: as a toy for the rich and famous to play
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Speaker 12: with as they take turns dripping hot wax on the woman,
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Speaker 12: setting the tone for the decade at night that await
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Speaker 12: those who are rich enough and or famous enough to
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Speaker 12: be invited to the Alexander twins birthday pash, what am
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Speaker 12: I hearing?
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
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Speaker 2: A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the real
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Speaker 2: estate bros celebrate their twenty eighth birthday. Celebrates greeted by
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Speaker 2: a nearly naked woman on display as a toy for
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Speaker 2: the rich and famous to play with as they take turns.
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Speaker 1: Dripping hot wax on her. Deja vous? Huh does this
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Speaker 1: remind you of anything?
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Speaker 8: Hi?
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Speaker 1: Diddy? There, you are nothing like eating soush.
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Speaker 2: You off a naked lady on display for the rich
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Speaker 2: and famous. I mean, it's like an echo chamber in here. Well,
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Speaker 2: guess what the Feds apparently in this case anyway, don't
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Speaker 2: care how rich you are or whether you're eating soush
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Speaker 2: often naked lady at a luxury party, or you have
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Speaker 2: her on display so rich people can drip wax on her.
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Speaker 2: Listen to the US Attorney for the Southern District, Omni.
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Speaker 4: Or the Alexander Brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other,
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Speaker 4: and sometimes with other men, forcibly raped and assaulted the women.
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Speaker 4: As the indictment alleges, the Alexander Brothers sex trafficking agreement
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Speaker 4: went beyond the planned trips and events. On numerous occasions,
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Speaker 4: one or more of the defendants drugged and raped or
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Speaker 4: sexually assaulted women they encountered by chance at bars, at nightclubs,
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Speaker 4: social events, and dating apps. These assaults allegedly had many
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Speaker 4: of the same hallmarks as the rapes that occurred at
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Speaker 4: group events, isolated locations, drug victims, force and physical restraint.
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Speaker 1: It's really a lot to take in.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 2: Very often, as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing but violent felonies,
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Speaker 2: I would catch myself wondering why, for instance, why not
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Speaker 2: just date a woman and have a relationship and have
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Speaker 2: sex with her and not drug anybody and rape and
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Speaker 2: sodomize them in a party, in a party setting with
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys standing around. But then I realized,
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Speaker 2: about five years into that kind of thinking, why ask why?
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I had one job to seek the truth.
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Speaker 1: Who did, what, where, when? And why?
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Speaker 2: Why not so much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,
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Speaker 2: it's not about sex.
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Speaker 1: That's a simple answer for me.
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Speaker 2: Why don't the real estate bros with all their money
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Speaker 2: and all their high rise.
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Speaker 1: To just go date somebody and have a sex life.
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Speaker 1: It's not about the sex.
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Speaker 2: What is it?
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Speaker 7: It's a perversionancy. They're getting off on raping, sateomizing. A
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Speaker 7: normal relationship the kind that you're referring to does not
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Speaker 7: excite them. They have gotten used to this kind of
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Speaker 7: rape and violence since they were in high school, and
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Speaker 7: this is what gets them excited. Nothing else.
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Speaker 1: Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Speaker 2: These wild extravagance parties that cost hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 2: dollars were not.
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Speaker 1: Parties at all.
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Speaker 2: They were just a RUSS to find sex assault victims
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Speaker 2: for the New Deities.
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Speaker 11: Listen, the fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been
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Speaker 11: a cover for something sinister preplanned by the Alexander brothers.
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Speaker 11: Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible
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Speaker 11: rape by at least ten women. All three indicted on
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Speaker 11: federal charges of sex trafficking, while the twins aren't in
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Speaker 11: a lawn are charged with sexual battery in Florida. The
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Speaker 11: Alexanders have denied the allegations in this civil cases, and
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Speaker 11: their reps have previously gone so far as to suggest
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Speaker 11: the accusers were trying to shake down the brothers.
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Speaker 2: Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to
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Speaker 2: say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate
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Speaker 2: bros Are called the new didties? Same thing now? They
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Speaker 2: called it fabulous parties. Diddy calls it freakoffs.
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Speaker 4: Combs allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he
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Speaker 4: called freakofs, and he often electronically recorded them. The freak
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Speaker 4: offs sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial
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Speaker 4: sex workers, and often involved a variety of narcotics such
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Speaker 4: as ketamine, ecstasy, and GHB, which Combs distributed to the victims.
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Speaker 13: To keep them obedient and compliant, as alleged, when Combs
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Speaker 13: didn't get his way, he was violent and he subjected
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Speaker 13: victims of physical, emotional, and verbal abuse so that they
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Speaker 13: would participate in the free golfs.
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Speaker 2: To Christina Alaio, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,
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Speaker 2: the comparison between the real estate Bros and Ditty are inescapable.
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Speaker 6: They are.
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Speaker 5: They both are basically using their power and influence to
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Speaker 5: allegedly drug and rape women. However, the brothers have been
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Speaker 5: doing this I think longer than Diddy, all the way
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Speaker 5: tracing back to high school. I think they were encouraged
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Speaker 5: to do it with their lifestyle and they have been
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Speaker 5: described as being very aggressive, very bullish, very attackive when
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Speaker 5: it comes to working in business. And also you have
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Speaker 5: people from their high school years who are coming forward
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Speaker 5: saying that they did it in high school and people
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Speaker 5: were scared. Everybody in the community was scared to speak
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Speaker 5: out because they had so much power, they had so
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Speaker 5: much prominence, because they had so much influence. And the
21:48
Speaker 5: same goes for Diddy. He has so much power and
21:51
Speaker 5: so much money. People don't want to talk out against it.
21:54
Speaker 5: People are scared that their careers are going to be ruined,
21:56
Speaker 5: that they're never going to be let back into the
21:58
Speaker 5: music industry, that they'll be black listed from certain events.
22:01
Speaker 5: And I think the same is true for the Brothers
22:03
Speaker 5: from Miami all the way to Florida. People are scared
22:07
Speaker 5: of not being believed. People are scared of having their
22:10
Speaker 5: lives ruined. They're scared of accusing men who have so
22:14
Speaker 5: much power and so much money.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A major blow to an alleged rape victim when a
22:30
Speaker 2: federal judge throws out her civil case against the so
22:34
Speaker 2: called real estate Bros, some people calling them the rape Bros.
22:39
Speaker 2: Of course, they remain innocent until proven guilty. What is
22:43
Speaker 2: at the heart of the federal case.
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Speaker 3: The Alexander Brothers await rape charges in jail. As a
22:51
Speaker 3: New York federal judge deems the trio flight risks, they're
22:54
Speaker 3: extradited to the same jail as Diddy, as the Metropolitan
22:58
Speaker 3: Detention seter Loo.
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Speaker 2: The Alexander Brothers a so called real estate bros rolling
23:06
Speaker 2: in money, also called the New Ditties. All of their
23:10
Speaker 2: trouble started, well, it really started all the way back
23:13
Speaker 2: in high school when they're accused of sex assaulting women.
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Speaker 1: All the way back then, but the current day problems
23:21
Speaker 1: i e.
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Speaker 2: Their rape charges all started when one woman spoke out.
23:29
Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, the rapes and sex assaults have.
23:32
Speaker 2: Been going on for years and years and years until
23:36
Speaker 2: this woman spoke out.
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Speaker 11: Listen, The Alexander Brothers fall from grace begins when the
23:41
Speaker 11: Real Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims
23:45
Speaker 11: Kate Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Wyman alleges the brothers abducted
23:49
Speaker 11: her in twenty twelve and brought her to a Hampton's
23:52
Speaker 11: party palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly
23:56
Speaker 11: dragged her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted,
23:59
Speaker 11: abuse raped, pinned, groped, harassed, battered and fondled by a
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Speaker 11: lawn and or in Alexander.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing? Linn Shaw joining us from Lyn's Warriors,
24:09
Speaker 1: how it only.
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Speaker 2: Takes one person, one person to stand up and be counted,
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Speaker 2: one person to speak out, even though they may be
24:18
Speaker 2: afraid for the whole house of cards.
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Speaker 1: To fall down.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will
24:25
Speaker 9: give you safety, We will give you guardrails.
24:28
Speaker 1: We will stand next to you.
24:29
Speaker 9: That is what I'm hoping all of these dirty ditties
24:32
Speaker 9: and this Alexander Brothers crime family will bring more public
24:36
Speaker 9: awareness again watering down to you know, maybe that team
24:40
Speaker 9: that lives in the Bronx or something like that, that
24:42
Speaker 9: they can come forward. We will take care of them.
24:45
Speaker 9: But I want to point something out. There was so
24:47
Speaker 9: much video evidence here, and I want to go back
24:50
Speaker 9: to what happened with all those videos where they uploaded
24:54
Speaker 9: to porn sites? Was there millions of dollars? Because we
24:57
Speaker 9: do a lot of work with.
24:58
Speaker 2: This Wait a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly
25:01
Speaker 2: right straight out to Christina at Yo joining US news anchor,
25:05
Speaker 2: investigative reporter. What are the so called trophies of the
25:09
Speaker 2: real estate bros thats just have just been revealed.
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Speaker 5: Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,
25:16
Speaker 5: but it's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence.
25:19
Speaker 6: As we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.
25:22
Speaker 5: Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they
25:28
Speaker 5: found a hard drive.
25:29
Speaker 6: Filled with pictures and videos.
25:31
Speaker 5: They're saying in these videos of course, there's the quote
25:34
Speaker 5: unquote Orgys or the sessions where alleged rape is happening.
25:38
Speaker 5: They're saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on
25:42
Speaker 5: alcohol or maybe even drug. They're saying they're seeing in
25:45
Speaker 5: these videos where the brothers are physically manipulating these women's
25:49
Speaker 5: bodies to have sex with them. And most of the time,
25:53
Speaker 5: they're saying, these women do not know they're being recorded.
25:55
Speaker 5: There's this one incident that they explain that a woman
25:58
Speaker 5: and a man are having sex in a stall and
26:00
Speaker 5: another person is recording over the stall with a camera,
26:03
Speaker 5: and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.
26:06
Speaker 6: So it's going to be pretty difficult.
26:08
Speaker 5: For whatever reason they kept these videos or they have
26:11
Speaker 5: these videos, it's going to be difficult to defend this
26:13
Speaker 5: in court.
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Speaker 2: Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken
26:16
Speaker 2: over a stall.
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Speaker 6: What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.
26:20
Speaker 5: It didn't detail if that was forced rape, It didn't
26:23
Speaker 5: detail what that was exactly. But there is a third
26:26
Speaker 5: person who is holding a video camera up over the
26:29
Speaker 5: bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside of
26:32
Speaker 5: that stall having sex, and the woman sees the camera,
26:34
Speaker 5: she tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And
26:36
Speaker 5: that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.
26:39
Speaker 5: They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the
26:42
Speaker 5: women are asking them to stop.
26:44
Speaker 2: Trophies trophies to Nima Romani joining us former federal prosecutor,
26:50
Speaker 2: president of West Coast Trial Warwyors, author of Harvard to
26:53
Speaker 2: hashtags Nima trophies have been the undoing of so manique
27:00
Speaker 2: criminals explain.
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Speaker 8: Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor, because people
27:04
Speaker 8: can lie. Criminal defendants lie all the time, even witnesses
27:07
Speaker 8: and victims can sometimes lie. But video doesn't lie. And
27:10
Speaker 8: when you have video of these sex acts, that is
27:14
Speaker 8: the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really there's
27:17
Speaker 8: only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either the
27:20
Speaker 8: sexual activity didn't happen, or it was consensual. That's it.
27:25
Speaker 8: And once you have that video, it certainly takes away
27:28
Speaker 8: the first defense, and then when women are being drugg
27:31
Speaker 8: takes away the second as well. And there's really two
27:33
Speaker 8: reasons why people record these sex acts. The first is
27:37
Speaker 8: their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I think that's probably
27:40
Speaker 8: why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's the
27:44
Speaker 8: second reason, and that is to have control over the victims,
27:48
Speaker 8: potentially blackmail them and say, hey, if you come after me,
27:51
Speaker 8: I'm gonna leak these videos.
27:53
Speaker 2: Christina Uyo, isn't it true that these videos were pulled
27:57
Speaker 2: off of a hard drive that was found hidden in
28:00
Speaker 2: a closet during a federal search, Yes, in.
28:04
Speaker 5: Tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, So they were really searching.
28:07
Speaker 6: They had the warrant to go through everything, and he
28:08
Speaker 6: kept them. He kept them on a hard drive.
28:10
Speaker 5: And it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And
28:13
Speaker 5: it goes to show that just like he said, men
28:16
Speaker 5: light women light witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is
28:19
Speaker 5: not going to lie. And this is pretty tough evidence. However,
28:22
Speaker 5: the defense is already saying that this doesn't prove anything.
28:24
Speaker 5: This doesn't prove a commercial act, This doesn't prove that
28:27
Speaker 5: they were drugged. It may prove that they're intoxicated, but
28:30
Speaker 5: he's saying, oh, these are just big orgies. Everybody was
28:33
Speaker 5: willing and there is nothing going on here, So next story, please,
28:37
Speaker 5: you know.
28:37
Speaker 1: It reminds me.
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Speaker 2: In the last few days, Seawn comes aka Diddi's defense
28:43
Speaker 2: team has stated they want the freak call videos to
28:45
Speaker 2: be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,
28:51
Speaker 2: you know another thing, If it's so innocent, why was
28:54
Speaker 2: it hidden in a closet. But thinking about the videos,
28:58
Speaker 2: the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the real
29:01
Speaker 2: estate bro's closet, it reminds me of a certain raid
29:06
Speaker 2: that went down on San Combs's mansion. In that case,
29:10
Speaker 2: as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote trophies.
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Speaker 1: Were obtained during that raid.
29:19
Speaker 2: Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly discovered, along with over
29:25
Speaker 2: one thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil. Trophies have been
29:30
Speaker 2: the bane of many criminals existence why trophy well, you.
29:34
Speaker 10: Know, and as if you go to other kind of
29:37
Speaker 10: repeat offenders, repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider, the buying
29:41
Speaker 10: torture kill fiend. You know, they either keep pieces of clothing,
29:47
Speaker 10: they keep some something to remind them something, who's going
29:50
Speaker 10: to get them excited, Something's going to you know, make
29:52
Speaker 10: them remember how how wonderful it was that they controlled
29:56
Speaker 10: this person, that they did what they did.
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Speaker 1: And so for all these things, it's it's why are
30:00
Speaker 1: you putting perfume on the pig.
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Speaker 2: Daily, that's not like you the souvenirs, the trophies quote
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Speaker 2: get them excited.
30:07
Speaker 1: You may give them an erection.
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Speaker 10: Well, you know that as well as sharing among other people,
30:12
Speaker 10: being able to. In some cases they like to share
30:15
Speaker 10: it because they've they've had this experience of other people.
30:18
Speaker 2: They keep it.
30:18
Speaker 10: They look at themselves, you know, maybe other people. They
30:22
Speaker 10: let them see that. That all kind of gives them
30:24
Speaker 10: a sense of control. It goes back to that essence
30:26
Speaker 10: of controlling individuals, controlling their environment, doing what they want
30:30
Speaker 10: to do, using that leverage over people. You know. In
30:33
Speaker 10: this case, Nancy, in a very interesting point it came up,
30:36
Speaker 10: which is simply what we've seen in other cases, is
30:38
Speaker 10: that as the FBI was investigating this, reports are coming
30:40
Speaker 10: out that multiple victims have the same stories. Again, people
30:44
Speaker 10: who've been not connected, not there at the same place,
30:46
Speaker 10: same time, but have the same story to tell. All
30:49
Speaker 10: of that is extreming and as part of what I
30:52
Speaker 10: believe the FBI is and the US the Attorney's officers
30:55
Speaker 10: making their case out of is that they have statements
30:57
Speaker 10: and it would encourage people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very true, Bill Daily, I think this goes
31:02
Speaker 2: beyond your or my kin colloquial for understanding joining me.
31:08
Speaker 2: Psychologist Karen Stark. Everything Bill Daily said is correct, But
31:13
Speaker 2: what is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason
31:18
Speaker 2: that people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the
31:22
Speaker 2: real estate bros also called the rape bros.
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Speaker 1: But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos
31:29
Speaker 1: they're damning.
31:30
Speaker 7: It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.
31:33
Speaker 7: Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,
31:37
Speaker 7: whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms.
31:42
Speaker 7: They can do that all over again repeatedly because they
31:46
Speaker 7: have these trophies. It's great if it's a video, but
31:49
Speaker 7: it can be an airing. It could be a necklace,
31:52
Speaker 7: it could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter.
31:56
Speaker 7: They wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at
31:59
Speaker 7: the time and how much they controlled the situation.
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Speaker 1: For years.
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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and
32:12
Speaker 4: international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To
32:17
Speaker 4: recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they
32:19
Speaker 4: provided material benefits, things they travel to, vacation destinations, luxury,
32:24
Speaker 4: accommodations and access to other high end experiences.
32:28
Speaker 1: Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate Bros?
32:33
Speaker 1: Or should I.
32:33
Speaker 2: Believe all of the women now coming forward, some of
32:37
Speaker 2: them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits. What's
32:43
Speaker 2: very hard for many people to understand, including myself, is
32:46
Speaker 2: how the real estate bros.
32:50
Speaker 1: Acted, how they faked a happy home life.
32:55
Speaker 11: Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. Alahn married
32:59
Speaker 11: Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in May
33:01
Speaker 11: of twenty twenty. Or In married model Camilla Hanson in
33:05
Speaker 11: April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT in
33:08
Speaker 11: October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with a
33:12
Speaker 11: judge to let him out as his wife was pregnant
33:15
Speaker 11: and do any day. His request was denied.
33:18
Speaker 2: That's something the baby can say as it grows up.
33:21
Speaker 2: Dad was in jail on rape charges when I was born.
33:24
Speaker 2: This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy REDIU.
33:31
Speaker 1: Listen, be happy.
33:35
Speaker 10: I love you.
33:37
Speaker 2: Two of you get hit on the phone on the time.
33:45
Speaker 1: To Vetterman. Try a lawyer.
33:46
Speaker 2: Former Felany prosecutor Nima Romani Nima. It would not be
33:51
Speaker 2: the first time a so called family man was ultimately
33:55
Speaker 2: convicted of repeat offenses. I mean, there's Dinner Raider that
34:01
Speaker 2: Bill Daley brought up earlier, who would sex assault and
34:04
Speaker 2: kill so many women and including young girls on his
34:09
Speaker 2: dog catching route the whole time.
34:12
Speaker 1: He had a family at home, and he was a
34:14
Speaker 1: deacon in the church.
34:16
Speaker 2: Then you've got Gaysey John Wayne Gacy, who would go
34:20
Speaker 2: to children's birthday parties to entertain the children dressed as
34:24
Speaker 2: a clown.
34:25
Speaker 1: I don't know how many boys bodies were pulled out
34:28
Speaker 1: of his crawl space.
34:29
Speaker 2: Then you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful
34:34
Speaker 2: law school student.
34:36
Speaker 1: He's a serial killer.
34:37
Speaker 2: He goes on and on, and do I have to say,
34:40
Speaker 2: Rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room,
34:44
Speaker 2: the architect by day, serial killer by night, with a
34:48
Speaker 2: wife and two children.
34:49
Speaker 8: Nancy and Human's wife actually saw some of these sex acts,
34:52
Speaker 8: at least allegedly, So this question of what she knew, Well,
34:55
Speaker 8: this is criminal defense lawyer in one on one. They
34:58
Speaker 8: want to show the jurors that the defendant has family support.
35:01
Speaker 8: That's why you see Ditty's family at every single appearance.
35:05
Speaker 8: That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers to have
35:09
Speaker 8: their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce to be
35:12
Speaker 8: at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect. They
35:16
Speaker 8: want to see the family members supporting the folks who
35:19
Speaker 8: are accused and are on trip.
35:21
Speaker 2: And like Didty, the new Ditties have a fantastical scheme
35:27
Speaker 2: of how they're going to stay out of MDC Metropolitan
35:30
Speaker 2: Detention Center listen.
35:31
Speaker 11: In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration,
35:34
Speaker 11: the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide
35:37
Speaker 11: private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and
35:41
Speaker 11: Early Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom
35:45
Speaker 11: apartment on the eighth floor of Miami building, emphasizing the
35:49
Speaker 11: apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised security
35:53
Speaker 11: guards would be stationed around the clock and an alarm
35:55
Speaker 11: system would make sure the brothers remain on site. The
35:58
Speaker 11: parents also offered to put up to one billion dollars
36:01
Speaker 11: bail for their sons to get out of jail.
36:03
Speaker 2: In case you didn't get that, it's one billion as
36:06
Speaker 2: in brother biz and brother not million billion, the parents
36:11
Speaker 2: offering to put up one billion dollars cash to get
36:18
Speaker 2: their sons out of jail. Maybe they were going to
36:22
Speaker 2: put in some equity into that, but one billion dollars
36:26
Speaker 2: bill to get their sons out and having them imprisoned
36:31
Speaker 2: in a Miami high rise. And the suffering part was
36:35
Speaker 2: that they wouldn't get a beach front view ouch.
36:40
Speaker 1: That has to hurt. How dare you, Mommy and Daddy
36:45
Speaker 1: Christina Wyo.
36:46
Speaker 2: It's reminiscent of the last bid, well, the last three
36:50
Speaker 2: bids by Sean Combs to get out on bid where
36:54
Speaker 2: he offered the judge a multimillion dollar bill package. I
36:57
Speaker 2: think it was twenty mil and he would stay in
37:00
Speaker 2: a Manhattan town home with his own private security guards
37:04
Speaker 2: to keep him from raping people.
37:07
Speaker 5: Eerie echo, right, And that's the draw, right exactly. I
37:13
Speaker 5: promised not to rape anybody during this time. I promise
37:16
Speaker 5: that I'm not going to have any orgies. In fact,
37:18
Speaker 5: I won't even have any women over so that in
37:20
Speaker 5: and of itself is a huge punishment. This is the
37:23
Speaker 5: same thing that we're seeing with these brothers, and quite frankly,
37:26
Speaker 5: I don't know how much the parents can be trusted
37:28
Speaker 5: in this whole situation because we talk about pretending to
37:31
Speaker 5: have a perfect family. But I go back to the
37:33
Speaker 5: sex bus that was sitting outside of their forty million
37:36
Speaker 5: dollar home as the brothers were in high school, and
37:39
Speaker 5: people have said witness testimony, they are saying that back
37:43
Speaker 5: in those days, that women in the scene, in the
37:45
Speaker 5: Miami scene because for some reason, high school brothers were
37:47
Speaker 5: in the Miami scene. They were warned not to drink
37:51
Speaker 5: any drinks that came from the brothers and to stay
37:53
Speaker 5: away from the brothers because they had already been known
37:55
Speaker 5: way back in high school to be sexually assaulting women.
38:04
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace a blow to.
38:12
Speaker 2: Rape victims everywhere when a federal judge throws out a
38:15
Speaker 2: civil case filed by an alleged rape victim.
38:18
Speaker 1: But wait, is there light at the end of the tunnel.
38:22
Speaker 2: There is a massive criminal case now filed against the
38:27
Speaker 2: millionaire real estate brothers.
38:29
Speaker 3: New York prosecutors Hey assaults day back to high school,
38:32
Speaker 3: describing the number of victims as quite significant, and.
38:36
Speaker 1: The numbers are mounting.
38:37
Speaker 2: What started with one woman speaking out about an alleged
38:41
Speaker 2: sex assault turns into a federal indictment on sex trafficking.
38:46
Speaker 1: There are so many, so many victims.
38:50
Speaker 2: Will the superseded indictment be superseded to include more victims?
38:56
Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 12: The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth positions
39:00
Speaker 12: to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually assault women.
39:05
Speaker 12: So far, more than forty women have come forward accusing
39:08
Speaker 12: the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconduct, and investigators are
39:12
Speaker 12: asking other women who believe they have been assaulted to call.
39:15
Speaker 12: Attorneys for the brothers say they planned to plead not
39:18
Speaker 12: guilty to the charges, which, if convicted, could land all
39:21
Speaker 12: three brothers in prison for life.
39:22
Speaker 1: As we are.
39:23
Speaker 2: Discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, rape, sodomies, that's what
39:28
Speaker 2: we're saying. Reportedly date all the way back to when
39:33
Speaker 2: the real estate brose were in high school.
39:36
Speaker 1: Listen.
39:37
Speaker 14: As news of the arrests start to spread, stories from
39:40
Speaker 14: the Alexander brothers high school years come to light. Their
39:43
Speaker 14: history of sexual violence dates back decades to their high
39:46
Speaker 14: school days in Miami, where they bragged about several gang rapes.
39:50
Speaker 14: Prosecutors say each of the victims that the government has
39:53
Speaker 14: interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved, including
39:58
Speaker 14: tal Alexander, talked about assault at school, boasting about running
40:02
Speaker 14: train on their victims and saying they wanted to do
40:06
Speaker 14: it again.
40:07
Speaker 1: You know, Lynn Shaw.
40:09
Speaker 2: As many rape and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I
40:14
Speaker 2: have tried, have pled out to jail time, have covered.
40:20
Speaker 1: It's still it's disgusting.
40:23
Speaker 2: It makes something and you want to die to hear
40:28
Speaker 2: about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,
40:33
Speaker 2: which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote
40:36
Speaker 2: wanted to do it again. It never ceases to be
40:42
Speaker 2: heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.
40:46
Speaker 9: Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for
40:48
Speaker 9: those that don't have a voice. And I want us
40:51
Speaker 9: to focus on two things here. I want us to
40:54
Speaker 9: focus on where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a
40:57
Speaker 9: sex bus when these trio of a triplets already to
41:00
Speaker 9: eat triplets were right part right in front of their
41:03
Speaker 9: their multimillion dollar mansion. I'm telling you, as a mother,
41:06
Speaker 9: I knew when my kids moved a throw pillow on
41:09
Speaker 9: my couch. Where were the parents at this time? And
41:12
Speaker 9: throughout all of this. The second thing I want to
41:15
Speaker 9: and we have to talk about that because people have
41:17
Speaker 9: to start standing up. Where were these parents? They were
41:19
Speaker 9: the talk of the town. We're hearing, you know, in
41:21
Speaker 9: the Miami, Florida area, So we should focus on that.
41:24
Speaker 9: I also want to focus on you're not going to
41:26
Speaker 9: see their wives in court with them. Those women are
41:28
Speaker 9: taking their kids and running for the hills. One has
41:30
Speaker 9: already filed for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence
41:33
Speaker 9: on them. They're beautiful young women, they have some young children,
41:36
Speaker 9: a newborn baby.
41:37
Speaker 6: They're not sticking.
41:38
Speaker 9: Around for this. And the third thing I want to
41:40
Speaker 9: get back to we're not talking enough about is that
41:43
Speaker 9: oldest brother with his security firm. There is video evidence.
41:47
Speaker 9: Where are all those videos going? I guarantee, I hope
41:50
Speaker 9: we have a forensic accountant coming along. That they have
41:53
Speaker 9: been uploaded not only to control their victims and to
41:57
Speaker 9: scare them, they have been uploaded to porns where these
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Speaker 9: monsters make millions and millions of dollars across the globe.
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Speaker 9: And these are things we should be looking at.
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Speaker 2: Karen, start joining me, renowned psychologists joining us out of
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Speaker 2: Manhattan tonight. Karen, I haven't told you this story about
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Speaker 2: the twins. You know, I have Bark on all their devices.
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Speaker 2: They know I have Bark on all their devices. So
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Speaker 2: I got an alert about my son who scrubbed in sunshine,
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Speaker 2: an alert from Bark.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, uh oh, what happened on Fortnite? I look
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Speaker 1: and it said sex. I'm like, so it shows you
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Speaker 1: what it was.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I get an alert every time something disturbing comes up.
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Speaker 2: For instance, one time it said self harm.
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Speaker 1: It was of him.
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Speaker 2: He had taken a picture of a bruise he got
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Speaker 2: diving through a soccer net to save a goal.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that was self harm. This about sex. Guess what
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Speaker 1: it was, Karen Stark.
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Speaker 2: It was the Nancy Gray Show. It was a banner
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Speaker 2: the program we did about Blake Lively. I had the
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Speaker 2: word sex harass in it. The Nancy Gray Show popped
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Speaker 2: up on his Bark. So my point is, where were
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Speaker 2: the parents?
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Bark every time I get an alert,
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Speaker 1: and they're never anything. Where were the parents? Lynn is right?
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Speaker 7: You know what's so outrageous, Nancy, is that these same
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Speaker 7: parents are saying that they want to give a billion
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Speaker 7: dollars and they'll make sure that these guys have no
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Speaker 7: opportunity to do anything. They won't face the ocean. They
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Speaker 7: will make sure that they can't do any harm. But meanwhile,
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Speaker 7: there was the van parked outside their very own home.
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Speaker 7: And what they didn't know what their voice were doing.
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Speaker 7: They didn't hear any of the rumors, they didn't investigate.
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Speaker 7: It's as though they supported all of this.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Karen Stark, you know what. Of course, the parents
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Speaker 1: aren't charged with anything, but I would have been right
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Speaker 1: there at that van.
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Speaker 2: Come out, everybody, I mean, no way that said, let
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Speaker 2: me give everyone the eight hundred line one, eight hundred
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Speaker 2: two two five five three two four repeat eight hundred
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Speaker 2: two two five five three two four.
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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls. Goodbye, friend,