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HW 2026-10-15 Chronic Illness - Richard Cheu · Heartwise

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  Speaker 1: This is HeartWise, offering practical tips and time-proven guidelines to
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  Speaker 1: make your life healthier, happier, and more fulfilling. Today you'll
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  Speaker 1: learn simple Bible-based principles for building and maintaining optimum mental
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  Speaker 1: and physical health, all while deepening your relationship with your Creator. Hello, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Charles Mills, health reporter for HeartWise Ministries.
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  Speaker 1: Chronic illness is never a welcome guest in any life.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bothersome visitor that just doesn't seem to leave,
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  Speaker 1: which can bring about many physical and mental changes equally unwelcomed.
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  Speaker 1: If you are one of the millions of people who
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  Speaker 1: are living with a persistent pain or debilitating condition, stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: Our guest today offers some practical and spiritual life-altering advice.
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  Speaker 1: His book is entitled Living Well with Chronic Illness. and
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  Speaker 1: I'm proud to have him with us on the line today.
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  Speaker 1: Richard Chu is a former neurophysiologist, EMT, and stress management consultant.
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  Speaker 1: He's also an ordained deacon and chaplain in the Archdiocese
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  Speaker 1: of New York, providing pastoral counseling to patients at Bellevue
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  Speaker 1: Hospital and the Visiting Nurse Service Inpatient Hospice. Richard Chu,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to HeartWise.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much, Charles.
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  Speaker 1: It's wonderful to be with you. Let's begin with the basic, Richard.
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  Speaker 1: What do you consider a chronic illness?
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  Speaker 2: A chronic illness is an illness that cannot be cured.
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  Speaker 2: It can be treated in many cases, but it cannot
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  Speaker 2: be cured.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it cannot be cured. In other words, what is
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  Speaker 1: is going to be for the remainder of your life.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: That's correct.
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  Speaker 3: All right, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, anyone with a chronic illness will say that it's
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  Speaker 1: very hard to see beyond the suffering, yet you tell
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  Speaker 1: us right at the start of your book to expand
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  Speaker 1: our vision. What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 2: What I mean is that there is the disease and
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  Speaker 2: there's the illness, which are the symptoms. Quite often we
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  Speaker 2: can ameliorate, we can reduce the symptoms, and the result
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  Speaker 2: of that is to be mentally, physically, and spiritually healthier.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to say, knowing people who have chronic conditions,
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  Speaker 1: that being any kind of positive, being any kind of
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  Speaker 1: hopeful for the future is pretty hard under those circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: How do you overcome that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we begin by looking at it's a journey.
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  Speaker 2: And the beginning is when you receive a diagnosis of
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  Speaker 2: a chronic illness. there's a flood of emotions that come up,
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  Speaker 2: what I call negative emotions. Fear, grief, anxiety, and all
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  Speaker 2: these add to one's stress level. And high levels of
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  Speaker 2: stress are very harmful to one's health. They only make
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  Speaker 2: it worse beyond what the disease is.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, the reaction that we usually have for
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  Speaker 1: a chronic condition actually exacerbates the chronic condition. It makes
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  Speaker 1: it worse.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, of course, you know that fear is a great
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  Speaker 1: part of that. You mentioned that fear. That seems to
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  Speaker 1: be the hardest to overcome. We are afraid of what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. We are afraid of what's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen to us. We're afraid of what's going to happen
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  Speaker 1: to our family. Is there something we can do to
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  Speaker 1: mitigate the fear? Right off the top, when we have
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  Speaker 1: the announcement to us, you have this chronic condition. Is
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  Speaker 1: there anything we can do right that day to start
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  Speaker 1: mitigating that fear?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, I call it the stop and listen process.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as you receive that diagnosis and all these
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  Speaker 2: emotions come out, the first thing to do is stop
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  Speaker 2: and take some breaths, which automatically begin to calm us down.
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  Speaker 2: And when we begin to calm down, that's the stop.
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  Speaker 2: The look part is look at the disease and where
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  Speaker 2: you are in terms of that illness and learn everything
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  Speaker 2: you can about it. That's so important. You learn everything
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  Speaker 2: about your illness. That's the look part. The third part
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  Speaker 2: of stop, look, and listen is to listen to your advisors.
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  Speaker 2: And people don't realize that doctors and therapists and everyone
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  Speaker 2: else are advisors. And it's really up to the patient
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  Speaker 2: to make the decisions about how the health care should
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  Speaker 2: be given and what the patient wants. That's the stop, look,
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  Speaker 2: and listen process.
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  Speaker 1: What I hear you saying is that you are part
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  Speaker 1: of the healing. I guess healing is not the right word.
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  Speaker 1: What would you say instead of healing? If you have
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  Speaker 1: a chronic condition, you're not going to get better. Instead
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  Speaker 1: of looking for healing, what should we be looking for?
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  Speaker 2: I think what you're looking for is to have a
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  Speaker 2: calm mind and a peaceful heart. That is the objective
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  Speaker 2: of the book, to help everyone have a calm mind
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  Speaker 2: and a peaceful heart.
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  Speaker 1: So what you're telling us in this book is designed
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  Speaker 1: to calm us down, bring us peace, which then in
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  Speaker 1: turn brings about some type of relief from the problem
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  Speaker 1: we're facing. Am I right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. What it does is it allows us
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  Speaker 2: to focus our energies on what do we want to
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  Speaker 2: do with our potential. We have many gifts that we
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  Speaker 2: all receive, and sometimes we have honed one so well
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  Speaker 2: that we forget about the others. And the disease will say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the person I was before. But that opens
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  Speaker 2: a window to other things you can be. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what the book tries to do.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what's so hard, Richard Hsu. That is what's
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  Speaker 1: so hard, to see beyond it, to see that there's
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  Speaker 1: something in life other than the illness. Because those with
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  Speaker 1: chronic illnesses tend to think, this is my life. This
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  Speaker 1: chronic illness, there's nothing beyond it. But you're saying that's
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  Speaker 1: not true.
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  Speaker 2: That is correct. If a patient will say.
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  Speaker 2: What do I do now? That's all you have to
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  Speaker 2: do is say, what do I do now? There's so
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  Speaker 2: many people who are ready to help you answer that question.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds hopeful to me. It sounds like you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to bring hope into people's lives.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what happens. In the book, I describe
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  Speaker 2: and take each of the negative emotions, which I call
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  Speaker 2: excess baggage, define them in a simple way that all
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  Speaker 2: of us can understand and and then give practical guidelines
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  Speaker 2: of how to reduce or get rid of that particular
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  Speaker 2: negative emotion.
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  Speaker 1: Give us an example here of one of the excess
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  Speaker 1: baggage that we tend to carry around when we're facing
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  Speaker 1: a chronic illness.
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  Speaker 2: I think the greatest one that you mentioned before is fear.
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  Speaker 2: A long time ago, President Roosevelt said, during the Great Depression,
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  Speaker 2: there is nothing to fear but fear itself. And so often,
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  Speaker 2: we see things as being greater than they are. If
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  Speaker 2: we take a look at what is causing the fear,
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  Speaker 2: then we can deal with it. But if we don't
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  Speaker 2: look at the causes of our fear, we can't deal
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  Speaker 2: with it, and it continues to overwhelm us.
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  Speaker 1: You hit upon something that really resonates with me. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like change, and... As a matter of fact, I
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  Speaker 1: will fight against change when it comes to my life.
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  Speaker 1: And you're saying that may not be a good idea
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  Speaker 1: because your life is about to change and you can't
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  Speaker 1: do anything about it. How do we handle change that
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  Speaker 1: a chronic illness brings into our life?
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  Speaker 2: I think the important thing is to look at our lives.
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  Speaker 2: People who don't like to deal with change are constantly
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  Speaker 2: looking toward the rear of the ship where they've been before.
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  Speaker 2: And if we can understand that actually every moment of
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  Speaker 2: our life we are changing. We're not the same person
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  Speaker 2: we were yesterday or the day before or the week after.
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  Speaker 2: Once we accept that we are changing and the world
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  Speaker 2: around us is changing... It gets people to turn around
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  Speaker 2: and look forward and see, oh my goodness, there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things I could do I never thought about.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we do in the book, to try
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  Speaker 2: to explain what changes and how to deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking with Richard Chu. His book, Living Well with
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  Speaker 1: Chronic Illness, a practical and spiritual guide, is available at
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  Speaker 1: fine bookstores everywhere. That's Richard Chu, Living Well with Chronic Illness.
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  Speaker 1: And we're talking about those areas of the life that
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  Speaker 1: are altered historically. when we are facing a chronic condition,
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  Speaker 1: a chronic illness, and when we are told, this is
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  Speaker 1: the way it's going to be, you just have to
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  Speaker 1: learn to live with it. And learning to live with
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  Speaker 1: it is what he's trying to help us do in
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  Speaker 1: this book. Richard, you say life is change, and change
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  Speaker 1: is good, and get rid of that excess baggage such
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  Speaker 1: as the fear. The next step, and anyone with a
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  Speaker 1: chronic illness will tell you this, there is a great
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  Speaker 1: deal of loneliness in when you have it, because you
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  Speaker 1: figure no one else knows about this. No one else
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  Speaker 1: has this problem. No one else feels what I'm feeling.
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  Speaker 1: No one else knows what I'm going through. How do
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  Speaker 1: you suggest that someone with those kinds of feelings deal
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  Speaker 1: with that type of loneliness?
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  Speaker 2: I think that is one of the big hurdles in
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  Speaker 2: chronic illness, loneliness. And loneliness I define as not having
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  Speaker 2: a close relationship with someone else. Because when you have
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  Speaker 2: a close relationship, you can say things to them and
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  Speaker 2: they understand. And this is what we all need, at
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  Speaker 2: least one good real friend or even spouse or something
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  Speaker 2: like that. Loneliness, I deal with in the book by
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  Speaker 2: explaining that, okay, life has changed. It's up to you
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  Speaker 2: to overcome the loneliness and redevelop new friendships, new relationships.
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  Speaker 2: And I go through many different ways that you can
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  Speaker 2: overcome loneliness.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious about the other side of that coin. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we need friends. How do you be a friend to
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  Speaker 1: someone who is facing a chronic illness? It's like someone
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  Speaker 1: who is facing a death in the family. You're not
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  Speaker 1: sure what to say. How do you go into a
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  Speaker 1: relationship with someone who has a chronic illness and you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do the wrong thing? How do you
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  Speaker 1: guide yourself through this?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, haven't we all been in that situation where we
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  Speaker 2: said something wrong? I said something wrong. I still remember
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  Speaker 2: it 20 years later. Simply being present to someone, just
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  Speaker 2: being there with them and listening without trying to answer
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  Speaker 2: them or even try to change their mind. So often
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  Speaker 2: we come in at the negative situation, we say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to get better, you're going to get better.
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  Speaker 2: Knowing well, they're not going to get better. The true
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  Speaker 2: friend simply accepts what is going on and is a
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  Speaker 2: good listener.
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  Speaker 1: We tend to want to fix things. We come into
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  Speaker 1: a situation and we're fixers. but this can't be fixed.
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  Speaker 1: That's got to be a tough sell.
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually, it's not a tough sell. For instance, on
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  Speaker 2: the ambulance, when I was teaching EMTs as an EMT,
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  Speaker 2: as one of the instructors also, and... I would say
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  Speaker 2: to them, what's the most important medicine we have on
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  Speaker 2: this ambulance after we deal with the situation that we're
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  Speaker 2: confronted with? We come in and do our medical thing.
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  Speaker 2: We're trained to do anything that's possible medically. But when
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  Speaker 2: we do finish that and we're with the patient inside
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  Speaker 2: the ambulance on the way to the hospital, what's our
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  Speaker 2: most important medicine? They look at me, the instructors ask
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  Speaker 2: this important question, and the answer is very simple. Hold
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  Speaker 2: the patient's hand. And when you hold a patient's hand,
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  Speaker 2: the blood pressure goes down, the pulse rate goes down,
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  Speaker 2: and the patient begins to relax. That's what a friend is.
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  Speaker 2: Simply hold a hand, be present. That will do it.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break, and when we
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  Speaker 1: come back, the next section of your book is inviting
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  Speaker 1: us to find a new meaning in life. How in
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  Speaker 1: the world do we do that when we have a
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  Speaker 1: chronic illness? A new meaning in life that is suffering,
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  Speaker 1: that is heading for a disaster. How do you find
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  Speaker 1: meaning there? We'll discover that when we continue our conversation
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  Speaker 1: with Richard Chu after the break, so stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: This is Kim with my daily diary for health class
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  Speaker 3: reporting what I did today to keep myself healthy. Today
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  Speaker 3: I ate an apple. Yes, yes, I know. Eating an
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  Speaker 3: apple each day doesn't make you healthy. But when I
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  Speaker 3: ate that apple, I didn't eat something that would make
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  Speaker 3: me unhealthy. I didn't eat candy. I didn't eat something
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  Speaker 3: with a lot of fat in it, like a piece
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  Speaker 3: of meat or foods made with a bunch of butter
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  Speaker 3: or oil. I didn't eat refined foods like white rice
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  Speaker 3: or white flour that don't have anything healing in them.
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  Speaker 3: So eating an apple is only part of the picture.
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  Speaker 3: What I didn't eat is just as important. I also
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  Speaker 3: ate a lot of fruits and vegetables. These foods have
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  Speaker 3: a ton of healing stuff in them, like vitamins, nutrients,
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  Speaker 3: and complex carbohydrates. I learned in class that complex carbohydrates,
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  Speaker 3: which are found in whole plant foods, are a lot
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  Speaker 3: healthier than simple carbohydrates, like those found in refined foods. So,
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  Speaker 3: I eat mostly whole foods, like fruits and vegetables, not
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  Speaker 3: refined foods that come in cans or packages. How does
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  Speaker 3: this make me healthy? Well, many of my friends are
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  Speaker 3: kind of fat. Okay, they're very fat. Fat isn't healthy.
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  Speaker 3: But because I eat mostly whole foods, I'm not fat.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm not giving my body anything to turn into fat,
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  Speaker 3: like all those calories or fatty foods. My body has
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  Speaker 3: the foods it needs to stay healthy, and nothing more. So,
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  Speaker 3: When you see me eating an apple, don't just say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: Kim is eating an apple. Instead say, hey, look, Kim
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  Speaker 3: isn't eating sugary candies or foods with a lot of
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  Speaker 3: fat in them. See what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: God has given us everything we need to be healthy
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  Speaker 1: inside and out. During Creation Week, He established a health
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  Speaker 1: plan for every creature on earth. To learn more about
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  Speaker 1: healthy living and about the God who created us all,
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  Speaker 1: go to kidsbibleinfo.com. That's kidsbibleinfo.com. This program was brought to
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  Speaker 1: you by the Children's Ministries Department of the General Conference
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  Speaker 1: of Seventh-day Adventists. Welcome back to the program. I'm Charles
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  Speaker 1: Mills here with Richard Chu. He is the author of
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  Speaker 1: Living Well with Chronic Illness, a Practical and Spiritual Guide.
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  Speaker 1: This book is available at bookstores everywhere, also on Amazon.com.
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  Speaker 1: That's Living Well with Chronic Illness. Now, Richard, you say
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  Speaker 1: in your book, when you begin part three, that we're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to find a new meaning in life. Here is
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  Speaker 1: a person that was just told that they have this condition,
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  Speaker 1: it's not going to change, they're going to be suffering
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  Speaker 1: with it the rest of their lives, their life may
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  Speaker 1: be even shortened by it. How do you find meaning
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  Speaker 1: under those circumstances?
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  Speaker 2: The process that I've described is three steps. And the
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  Speaker 2: first one is to calm down and control those negative
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  Speaker 2: emotions and get rid of them when we can. The
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  Speaker 2: second part is start living a healthier life. A healthier
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  Speaker 2: life means that with your illness, what kind of healthy
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  Speaker 2: habits would I have that will help me fight my condition,
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  Speaker 2: help give me strength, physical strength and so on, and
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  Speaker 2: support my mental strength, which has been improved by getting
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  Speaker 2: rid of the emotions. So if we improve the mental
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  Speaker 2: health and we improve the physical health, then we have
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  Speaker 2: room now to improve what I call spiritual health. And
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  Speaker 2: spiritual help, you focus on what you think is most
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  Speaker 2: important in your life, and then you use that tremendous
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  Speaker 2: energy that's available to every one of us called the
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  Speaker 2: human spirit. That energy allows us to go toward the
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  Speaker 2: target that we want to move toward in our chronic illness.
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  Speaker 1: As a Christian, you would know that God can play
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  Speaker 1: a part in someone's life. God is there to bring
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  Speaker 1: comfort and joy and all that. But illness has a
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  Speaker 1: really bad habit of masking God. You can't see him
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  Speaker 1: beyond the pain. You can't see him beyond the fear.
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  Speaker 1: So I can see why you can get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the fear. You'll see God clearer. But how do you
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  Speaker 1: get rid of the pain? How do you get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the uncertainty enough to see God in your life?
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  Speaker 2: There's a story about a fellow named Alex in the
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  Speaker 2: book about how he was, you know, a very He
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  Speaker 2: practiced Christianity. He was a very good Christian. And he
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  Speaker 2: got this disease. He got so mad at God because
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  Speaker 2: he thought of God as Santa Claus. If I'm a
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  Speaker 2: good boy, you'll give me a gift. And he eventually
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  Speaker 2: came back when I counseled him to really think about
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  Speaker 2: what are your gifts? What are the gifts you still
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  Speaker 2: have that God has given you? that you can use
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  Speaker 2: to move forward, and what is it that you can
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  Speaker 2: achieve in your lifetime with those gifts? And once I
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  Speaker 2: began to help him focus on the remaining gifts, he said, wow,
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of potential.
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  Speaker 1: I could use. Oh, that is marvelous. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: during those times when we feel God is away, God
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  Speaker 1: really isn't away, am I right in saying that? It's
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  Speaker 1: like we've moved away from him, he hasn't moved away
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  Speaker 1: from us. There has been something thrown up between us.
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  Speaker 1: God isn't gone, we just can't see him clearly. Would
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  Speaker 1: I be right in saying that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. I think it's maturing. We grow
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  Speaker 2: up with it more like a Santa Claus approach to God,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't mature as we grow older, our faith
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mature. And it takes a crisis sometimes to suddenly
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  Speaker 2: take a new look at ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: You know, whenever I hear someone speak of this topic
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  Speaker 1: and reading in your book these areas, I have to
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  Speaker 1: say that even Christ himself went through this on the cross.
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  Speaker 1: What did he say that demonstrates that he felt separated
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  Speaker 1: from God?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and he said, forgive them, they know not what
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  Speaker 2: they do. And he said, where there are two or
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  Speaker 2: three in my name, I'm with you. And so two
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  Speaker 2: would be a patient and a caregiver.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the caregiver is so crucial with a
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  Speaker 2: chronic patient.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, you know, my God, my God, why
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  Speaker 1: have you forsaken me? Jesus, hanging on the cross, went
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  Speaker 1: through that very thing that you say in the book.
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  Speaker 1: He felt that separation, but God had not separated himself.
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  Speaker 1: God was there. He just couldn't see him through the
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  Speaker 1: pain and through the fear of what was happening to him.
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  Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: We're talking with Richard Chu. His book is Living Well
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  Speaker 1: with Chronic Illness, a Practical and Spiritual Guide. Now, This
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  Speaker 1: next section, it's actually chapter 8 of your book, Find
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  Speaker 1: Meaning in Your Life Story. A lot of people believe
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  Speaker 1: that when they have this diagnosis of a chronic illness,
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  Speaker 1: when they are facing this huge hurdle, they think their
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  Speaker 1: story's over. They think it's done. You're saying that's not
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  Speaker 1: quite true.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking backwards. And in the chapter, I try to
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  Speaker 2: help them turn around and look forward and use their
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  Speaker 2: past life as a trampoline to spring off that using
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  Speaker 2: their gifts into the future and that's where if you
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  Speaker 2: begin to understand that your life is not over i'm
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  Speaker 2: feeling they're not taking their last breath there is a
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  Speaker 2: future and the thing is to focus on what do
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  Speaker 2: you want to achieve in your future and move toward
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  Speaker 2: it the key is to run a good race. That's
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  Speaker 2: the key. You know, where we place in the race
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  Speaker 2: is not as important as to have run a good race.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what the chapter tries to do. Find ways
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  Speaker 2: for you to tell your story. And when you tell
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  Speaker 2: your story, you realize, wow, that's really amazing. I did that.
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  Speaker 2: So many people say that.
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  Speaker 1: During the break, you and I were talking, and you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that there was a difference between a doctor sitting
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  Speaker 1: down and talking to a patient and someone like you,
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  Speaker 1: a consultant or a deacon or a chaplain sitting down
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  Speaker 1: and talking to someone. A lot of individuals expect their
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  Speaker 1: doctor to sound like you, but they don't. How do
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  Speaker 1: you train a doctor, or should we train a doctor,
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  Speaker 1: or is it necessary to train doctors to sound like
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  Speaker 1: chaplains when they deliver this kind of news to someone?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very hard because, you know, I've been
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: on both sides. I taught medical students, nursing students. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: was an EMT for 12 years. And I understand from
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the medical side what you're doing is trying to decide
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  Speaker 2: where the patient is with respect to the process of
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the disease. Every disease goes through a process. And their
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  Speaker 2: time is so limited. because we don't have enough doctors
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  Speaker 2: in the United States. I think there's a shortage of 15,000
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  Speaker 2: primary care doctors. So doctors' times are very limited, and
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  Speaker 2: they have to focus on the disease process. On the
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  Speaker 2: other side is the patient's expectation or perspective, which I've
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  Speaker 2: been trained to look at as a deacon, as a
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  Speaker 2: hospital chaplain, as a caregiver, to see through the eyes
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  Speaker 2: of the patient. And we can't expect to train the patient.
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  Speaker 2: doctor to be more pastoral because they're already doing so much.
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  Speaker 2: What we can do is ask the patient to be
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  Speaker 2: prepared for the meeting with the doctor. Write down your questions.
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  Speaker 2: When you ask the question, if you don't understand, be
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  Speaker 2: sure you ask the doctor, please explain. I didn't understand that.
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  Speaker 2: Bring someone with you. Two pairs of eyes, two pairs
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  Speaker 2: of ears are much better because then it's more likely
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  Speaker 2: when you go away from the appointment, from the consult,
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  Speaker 2: that you and your friend or persons with you can discuss.
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  Speaker 2: What did the doctor say? What am I supposed to do?
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  Speaker 2: So that is part of it. The expectation is that
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  Speaker 2: we want the patient to take more responsibility for their health.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. And I think a
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  Speaker 1: good combination for anyone who is facing this is to
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  Speaker 1: sit and listen to the doctor and take the information down,
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  Speaker 1: have the friend talk, And then sit down with this book,
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  Speaker 1: Living Well with Chronic Illness, a practical and spiritual guide
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  Speaker 1: by our guest today, Richard Chu. And this will be
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  Speaker 1: his pastoral visit with you.
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  Speaker 2: Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Chu cannot go around and meet with everyone, but that's
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  Speaker 1: why he wrote the book, I'm sure. And this book
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  Speaker 1: will be that pastoral visit. And just make it part
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  Speaker 1: of your library, listener, and just have it available to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you so that if you receive news that says you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: have a chronic illness, this is the way it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be. You're not going to get any better. You're
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: going to have to live with this. then grab this book.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: If you can't travel to New York and sit down
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  Speaker 1: with Richard Chu, grab this book and sit down with it,
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  Speaker 1: and he will give you wonderful information to help you
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  Speaker 1: physically and spiritually as you face the chronic illness. Once again,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the book is Living Well with Chronic Illness, a Practical
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and Spiritual Guide by Richard Chu. That's C-H-E-U, Richard Chu.
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  Speaker 1: I recommend that book very highly. Richard, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for being with us. Any last words of encouragement
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  Speaker 1: for those who may be facing this very problem in
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  Speaker 1: their lives right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Believe, and it will happen.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Believe, and it will happen. Well, our time
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  Speaker 1: has flown by. Thank you, Mr. Chu, for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for letting me be on with you.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And, listener, until next time, this is Charles Mills, along
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  Speaker 1: with Richard Chu, inviting you to remain heartwise. Goodbye, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, our web address is heartwiseministries.org.