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Episode 183: Star Wars Leadership Changes...or Does It? · Chucks Cantina

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  Speaker 1: This is Chuck's Cantina podcast, where anything and everything is
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  Speaker 1: What up?
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  Speaker 3: Huzza, huzza, huzzo ha.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 3: How hi?
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  Speaker 4: Y'all?
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  Speaker 3: I okay, just okay?
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, oh you drinking a.
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  Speaker 3: Good cush cush? What now? What was insane? Oh? My
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  Speaker 3: own's saliva because I've been coughing all day drinking. I
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  Speaker 3: was sick last week and I still have a cough,
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  Speaker 3: so I just keep getting a bunch of fucking flagming
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  Speaker 3: saliva in my mouth.
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  Speaker 2: So where are you drinking? I didn't hear you.
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  Speaker 3: Water.
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  Speaker 2: I'm being at Chad and I'm drinking Monster Energy white Chad. Chad,
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  Speaker 2: I said, Kyle, Did I say Chad? I don't want
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  Speaker 2: the same difference or no?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing I'm drinking at Chad. But a
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  Speaker 2: Kyle would be the black can with the green one,
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  Speaker 2: the regular one, if you will. That's Kyle's all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it. It finally happened. This is the
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  Speaker 2: episode that finally took me to get off my hiatus.
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  Speaker 2: The news that happened yesterday. Some would say our answers
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  Speaker 2: have been our answers. Some would say our prayers have
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  Speaker 2: been answered. Some would say yesterday has been the greatest
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  Speaker 2: day since the acquisition in twenty twelve. Some would say
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  Speaker 2: nothing's going to change. Kathleen Kennedy is allegedly gone at
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  Speaker 2: the end of this year, even though we've said it
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  Speaker 2: what two years, have been talking about this.
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  Speaker 4: Now, According to according to my sources, no, let me
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  Speaker 4: get to let me get let me get this straight.
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  Speaker 2: According to reports, Lucasfilm boss Aathleen Kennedy expected to retire
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  Speaker 2: at the end of this year. The prolific producer has
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  Speaker 2: proceeded over the Star Wars and Indiana Jones franchises, threw
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  Speaker 2: ups and downs since twenty twelve. Kennedy joined Lucasfilm in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twelve as a co chair alongside Star Wars creator
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  Speaker 2: George Lucas, and shortly a few months later, like they
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  Speaker 2: didn't know this is gonna happen anyway, took the reins
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  Speaker 2: after Dizzey paid four billion dollars for the company and
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  Speaker 2: Lucas exited, which this article forgets to mention that Lucas
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  Speaker 2: handpicked her to be the end of Lucasfilm, as that
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  Speaker 2: was part of the deal he made with Disney she
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  Speaker 2: relaunched the franchise. I'm gonna say my piece first, because
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  Speaker 2: I think you've been more outspoken than I have, or
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  Speaker 2: not even more critical over the night. I have been
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  Speaker 2: not as critical because all right about this? Do I
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  Speaker 2: think this is a good thing? Yes, because sometimes change
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  Speaker 2: is good. Have I been as critical as many as
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  Speaker 2: most Star Wars fans?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Why as Renee and I are Clickie Clack sorry, and
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  Speaker 2: I have said they could literally present us a shit sandwich,
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  Speaker 2: and somehow Clickeri Clack and I will try to find
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  Speaker 2: a way to justify it, but after a while even
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  Speaker 2: we'll start to not like the taste of it. I
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  Speaker 2: made no secret on this podcast that while I enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: act Like more than most, some of the things on
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  Speaker 2: there that I did not like I really did not like. No,
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  Speaker 2: I had no problem with the Twins.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: I had no problem with the witches and shit. The
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  Speaker 2: problem I had was the fact that like one episode
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  Speaker 2: or for one thing, and one episodeill be twenty minutes,
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  Speaker 2: another one be an hour long. But it was just
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  Speaker 2: the fact that like they essentially rushed three or it
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  Speaker 2: would start off slow, and they were three episodes of
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  Speaker 2: shit into one. That was my big issue with it.
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  Speaker 2: So essentially, what's that not plotting, pacing, That's the word
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for. For every good thing that happened with
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  Speaker 2: her or any release product, there'd be two things that
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  Speaker 2: would come out that would get critically a claim or
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  Speaker 2: critically panned. The issue I have with the regime was
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  Speaker 2: for all the products they did release, there was three
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  Speaker 2: times is more that we're canceled. And I know you
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  Speaker 2: and I. We don't make movies, we don't make television shows,
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  Speaker 2: we don't make productions. I do podcasting. That's it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to get the voice acting. I'm gonna start streaming.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do that stuff. That's minuscule work compared
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  Speaker 2: to making movies or TV shows. The problem is there's
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  Speaker 2: more things to get canceled. The people realize the problem
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  Speaker 2: is the stigma of Lucasfilm is that when something is
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  Speaker 2: when somebody gets announced, expected to be canceled. Because when
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  Speaker 2: whenever Marvel comes out and announces something, they announce it
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  Speaker 2: because they have the full on intent to actually making it.
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  Speaker 2: They have writers, producers, actors, all this signed up. While
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  Speaker 2: with Lucasfilm they had an idea and maybe a director
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  Speaker 2: and majory of it didn't happen. I'm not gonna go
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  Speaker 2: if we have time, because we're not gonna do a
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  Speaker 2: whole thing today. I can go down the list of
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  Speaker 2: everything that happened, of all the things that have been
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  Speaker 2: canceled stuff like that, but there are so many. You
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  Speaker 2: can just look up Lucasfilm canceled projects over the last
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  Speaker 2: things like okay, let me keep this clicking a collect
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  Speaker 2: You're a friend of geirbal del Tour, right, big fan?
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  Speaker 2: Did you know he's supposed to be a job of
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  Speaker 2: the Hot Project?
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  Speaker 3: He was or is he was?
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  Speaker 2: See that's the problem. There are so many products that
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  Speaker 2: have been canceled. That's not one of the ones like
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  Speaker 2: in the in the in the in the like right
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  Speaker 2: in front of you. Because the other ones that you
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  Speaker 2: would think go right away, we're so so much promoted
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  Speaker 2: and announced. It's like, whoa while the Garre del Tour one,
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  Speaker 2: they did the right, they stay. They kind of made
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  Speaker 2: a comment about it, but they didn't promote it like
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  Speaker 2: they did the twenty eighty percent of other things had
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  Speaker 2: been canceled.
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  Speaker 3: Like Star Wars thirteen eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so thirteen thirteen. They say that was a Bob
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  Speaker 2: Biger call. No, that was that was a Lucas fault
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  Speaker 2: because they canceled they removed Lucas arts. But yeah, for
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  Speaker 2: every Mandalorian show that was, for every minde Larian season
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  Speaker 2: that was made, there were three shows that were canceled.
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  Speaker 2: For every Rise of Skywalker or hell, look at them,
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  Speaker 2: look at the Disney sequel movies. I enjoy them a
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  Speaker 2: lot more than most people. But if you watch those
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  Speaker 2: movies or not, if you watch those movies, if you
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  Speaker 2: just read about the productions, they did not have a plan.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason why jj Abrams directed the first one
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  Speaker 2: and the third one, not the second one, because they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a plan. He wasn't even supposed to direct
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  Speaker 2: the third one. That would be Colin Trevarro, the guy
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  Speaker 2: who did the Jurassic World movies.
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  Speaker 3: And I like everyone's like, oh, Trevor would have saved
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  Speaker 3: the last one. But everyone hated his Jurassic World movies, right,
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  Speaker 3: everyone loves his first Dressic World movies.
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  Speaker 2: He's got worse and worse critic Well, the play Devil's
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  Speaker 2: Advocate allegedly the script for what he was going.
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  Speaker 3: To do with the third one. Everything okay, okay, but
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  Speaker 3: allegedly that script is out there. I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: I've read it. The story is interesting. Video essays, the
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  Speaker 2: story is interesting. It's an interesting story.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone has a million dollar idea.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Here's the other I liked. I've
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  Speaker 2: read scripts, okay, but here's the thing. You can read
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  Speaker 2: It's like this. You can read a book, you can
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  Speaker 2: read a script. Does it mean to look good on film?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, concepts are Trevor blah blah blah. Story. Look how
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  Speaker 3: making it is? Like like, yeah, Dune is a dude
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  Speaker 3: and the story of Dune is amazing. Sorry, does that
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  Speaker 3: mean dude, nineteen eighty four a masterpiece? It's a cult classic, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but like, let's be realistic here, nineteen eighty four dude
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  Speaker 3: is you know, doesn't really hold up compared to the
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  Speaker 3: new one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a done guy, but I have a few friends.
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  Speaker 2: I have a few friends who are done people, and
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  Speaker 2: they're worried about the next week coming out because it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be like the boring, the most boring shit, right,
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  Speaker 2: Because that's where it's.
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  Speaker 3: Get what I'm saying by like, yes, like you can
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  Speaker 3: have great source material, but that doesn't always mean that
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  Speaker 3: the final product is going to be it's good one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent, Like, like you have to have good production
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  Speaker 3: in addition to good Uh what is this source material?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, there's plenty of movies and pl like look at Borderlands.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing game Wiley were regarded Game, you know millions and
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  Speaker 3: billions in sales. Look at the movie dog Ship.
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  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, wait, wait, why why I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: had Kevin Hart as your lead protagonist, and you didn't
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  Speaker 2: have to be the comedic act. You had to be
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  Speaker 2: like the Dwayne Johnson because you know that.
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  Speaker 3: Spider Woman, spire Woman amazing comic material. And then we
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  Speaker 3: get them like, don't don't say that name, I hate this,
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  Speaker 3: should have, could have, would have and I and I've
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  Speaker 3: and I've you know, I'll admit I've done that in
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  Speaker 3: the past of like if only this director had done it,
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  Speaker 3: or if only this person had done this, or what
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  Speaker 3: I've done in the past. But I there's a track
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  Speaker 3: record for those kind of people, and there's a reason
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  Speaker 3: why I say, well, if this person would have done it,
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  Speaker 3: would have come out great, because a they've had a
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  Speaker 3: record of doing it, of doing you know, great work.
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  Speaker 3: Be they're usually whenever whenever I say someone's would if
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  Speaker 3: someone did with this or was in part of this,
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  Speaker 3: it's because I think they fit well for the role,
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  Speaker 3: because I've seen their work and you know it's something
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  Speaker 3: that they're in their realm. But it's but this Trevor
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  Speaker 3: guy again not saying Jrssic World was a bad movie.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was an okay movie, but the rest
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  Speaker 3: of them follow up or you know, mediocre movies.
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  Speaker 2: Some would say they were not as enjoyed as the
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  Speaker 2: first one he made.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So I'm sure the movie, I'm sure if he
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  Speaker 3: had produced it, and if he had produced the story
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  Speaker 3: with how he had written it, and if he had
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  Speaker 3: done everything he said would have done, I'm sure it
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  Speaker 3: would have ended up great. But like anything in this world,
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  Speaker 3: there's always people gonna they're gonna hate it. There's always
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  Speaker 3: gonna people that are gonna love it. There people will
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  Speaker 3: find something a bitch about it. So like we got
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  Speaker 3: what we got? Was it what we all wanted to know?
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  Speaker 3: When I first watched it, I cried because like it
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  Speaker 3: was the best thing in the world to me at
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  Speaker 3: the time. On reflection, I know, like it's very flawed
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  Speaker 3: and it has a lot of things that I don't
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  Speaker 3: like about it. I still enjoy it for what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I wish this whole trilogy, you know, it didn't exactly exist,
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  Speaker 3: but it exists. There's nothing I can do about it.
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  Speaker 2: And now you a year ago, you would never sending
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  Speaker 2: each other the Internet things where they're like, oh, they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna reboot the Disney sequels series and does make hold
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  Speaker 2: new movies if people actually buying into it, and like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing people don't understand. See what you want
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  Speaker 2: about Kathleen Kenny, don't even okay, don't even take her
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  Speaker 2: accolades before Lucas, because she's a if Hollywood was a
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, she's a first bout.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean she that work and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not and I would never like what I would
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  Speaker 3: never dare to say, like like she doesn't deserve to
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  Speaker 3: be industry. She deserves to be in this industry. Like
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  Speaker 3: if you read you read a biographer about her, if
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  Speaker 3: you read like past stories about her, she's a fucking
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  Speaker 3: go getter. She gets the job done. Now do I think.
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  Speaker 2: She was the as a producer?
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  Speaker 3: As a producer, however, which is the stuff that came
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  Speaker 3: out during her reign. Of course, obviously this is not
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  Speaker 3: all her. She's not. She's not in those she's not
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  Speaker 3: in the story, she's not the right meetings, she's not
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  Speaker 3: in the in the special effects meetings. She's not, or
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  Speaker 3: maybe she is, but my point is, she's not you know,
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  Speaker 3: handmaking this these shows, in these movies, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: the direction of the company, in the direction of the
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  Speaker 3: of the productions that come out of it is very
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  Speaker 3: much influenced by her and her team and by the board.
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  Speaker 3: And if during your reign, subpar stuff comes out, while
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  Speaker 3: the last person who had the reins it was only
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  Speaker 3: bangers after bangers, like you know, there's there's again. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not I'm not exclusively blaming her for all the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that has come out, all the or the sub part
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  Speaker 3: stuff that has come out, but it's during her reign
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  Speaker 3: and she had time to address those issues. And again
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  Speaker 3: there has been amazing content that is coming out has
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  Speaker 3: come out during her rain, during her time as president
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  Speaker 3: of Lucasfilms. But when half your stuff are bangers and
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  Speaker 3: have your stuff are stuff, we wish we could erase
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  Speaker 3: our stuff for we wish we could erase from our
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  Speaker 3: minds and wish never existed. You know, you can't be
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  Speaker 3: like you did. Amazing you did, okay, and we appreciate
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  Speaker 3: you keep putting in the work to keep Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: alive and keep pushing out content, But we wish we
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  Speaker 3: had there had been other decisions made. You know, where
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  Speaker 3: there were in a story, whether it was characters, where
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  Speaker 3: there was production, special effects, et cetera. I think during
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  Speaker 3: her time different decisions could have been made, but ultimately
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  Speaker 3: we have what we have, Kathleen. We're not trying to
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  Speaker 3: say this and like, uh, go fuck yourself, but it's
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  Speaker 3: like we are excited to see who who is the
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  Speaker 3: next person to come in to take the mental and
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  Speaker 3: what direction that person will take, uh with the with
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  Speaker 3: the studio and with the you know, Star Wars in general.
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  Speaker 2: We're very excited. I'm not gonna say that her run
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  Speaker 2: as president as Lucas of Lucasfilm is like the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick, but like the last couple of years
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  Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick, it's like, Okay, this is you were
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  Speaker 2: not doing. This is just getting worse. We need we
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  Speaker 2: need to change course. Something has to change. And what
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  Speaker 2: happened they mutually created part ways now personally, so.
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  Speaker 3: It's official official. Is that correct? Because let me let
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  Speaker 3: me but I keep seeing stories that are just posed
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  Speaker 3: as expected to leave.
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  Speaker 2: So this is where I want to get to. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like this, it's the I think what happened was
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  Speaker 2: I think I still we talked about this last year.
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  Speaker 2: I still fully one believe she was planning to retire
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  Speaker 2: or leave after Indiana Jones, because that was something she
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  Speaker 2: was heavily with when those came out. However, they were
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  Speaker 2: not I don't know about Box Off, they weren't. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't not a smash of success but icularly and
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  Speaker 2: everything like that. It wasn't. It wasn't a raging success.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't critically claimed and the audience like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what the tomato scores are and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't what they thought. It was what the
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  Speaker 2: Indian and Jones when they came out last, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because that was because I'm not saying that was her baby,
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  Speaker 2: but that was she was. She was well she produced
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  Speaker 2: all of those, the original ones, because that was Spielberg
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  Speaker 2: stuff and she was Spielberg's right hand person. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: think what happened was I think Accoli came out. It
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  Speaker 2: was what it was, and I think the conversation started
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  Speaker 2: happening to like, look, every time something comes out, or
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  Speaker 2: every time essentially anything that comes out, now we're not
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  Speaker 2: having ranging success. And also I think the movie thing
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  Speaker 2: really took shape because I think when I came back,
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  Speaker 2: he's like, look, we to make movies, he says, especially
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  Speaker 2: with Marvel. A lot of Marvel shows we announced are
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  Speaker 2: not happening. We are going to have quality over quantity.
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  Speaker 2: And the problem is they spent four billion dollars on
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars. Now have they made that money back hundred percent?
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  Speaker 2: But he knows they can be making a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: And they have not had a movie in theaters in
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  Speaker 2: five years. They've had probably twenty movies announced in Wars
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars, they have had probably ten minute I can
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  Speaker 2: think of ten. I can literally think of ten ten
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  Speaker 2: movies announced in the last five years at minimum that
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  Speaker 2: have not come through. For let me not gonna say
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  Speaker 2: movies productions. I can for sure think of five movies
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  Speaker 2: project the projects, projects potentially go in, projects protected to
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  Speaker 2: go in theaters. Let's just say that only one is
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  Speaker 2: in has allegedly allegedly finished production, and it's a movie
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  Speaker 2: based off a show based off a thing from a
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  Speaker 2: TV show, which is Mandalorian Krogu Right. All the other
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  Speaker 2: podcasts are is the I'm Sorry, go Ahead, Go Ahead?
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  Speaker 2: And the Day in the Race Skywalker movie, which was
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  Speaker 2: which was well hold on, which was supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: Race Skywalker but now allegedly it's just gonna be episode ten.
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  Speaker 2: My god, I don't want that is now I'm the
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  Speaker 2: back burner. Okay, good because because because days he really
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  Speaker 2: keeps getting asked because she's doing other movies. And she says,
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  Speaker 2: here's where I have to agree with her. She says,
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  Speaker 2: I can't. I'm paraphrasing. She pretty much said, we're not
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: going to rush this, and I'm like, good I personally,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: But I think what happened was I You're sat with
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: her and was like, look, we need to figure something out.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I do think. I do think that we did have
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a plan for you to leave, leave in a high note,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: because I know they don't want to. They don't want
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: to her, which she deserves to leave in a high
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: note or on her own terms. Let me rephrase that,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: not that not that we have decided to relieve Kathleen
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: kennave hurt. No, that's not that's not what you do
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: with her. I think that's what it was. I think
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: they're like, hey, and here's where I was gonna come
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: back to you. So all this stuff came out yesterday,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And here's where I think really fucked Disney in the head.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Not just not just Disney and Lucas, I think all
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: of them. This came out yesterday. Okay, this came out.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: This was first reportably by Puck News, who is it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like a i'm not gonna say like a Twitter or
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: like a social media like leaker. They're a person who
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like does reveal legitimate stuff and enjoy their stuff is credible.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And then all of the like movie leakers and stuff
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: like that, they all backed it up, and then the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: major trades backed it up. The people that report shit
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: who have been like the highly reporters of right, the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: people have been right pretty much ninety five percent of
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the time. I think what happened then within the last
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: twenty four hours was Disney saw how the Internet reacted.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Because there's the famous I don't know if I sent
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: this to you, there's the famous scene. There's a famous
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: line and New Hope where ben Kenobi goes the sounds
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: of a thousand voices cried in peril then were silence. Instead,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: it was the sounds of a million voices cried and enjoyed.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And I think they saw that because and now I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: think they're I'm not gonna say backpedaling on it because
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and again I want to phrase this to you because
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you made that comment. Take as a grain of salt.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: The only one to come out with this rapport. I'm
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: i to tell you, is CNN. Okay, so take that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: with a grain of salt. Because it's CNN. They're saying
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: they were told that report was extremely exaggerated, that she
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: was leaving, that she's leaving, that it's essentially not true.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: They're saying that she is not leaving for now. But
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: when you and again, I want to say this, this
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is CNN, tastes a grain of salt.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: No other major trades, no.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Other major trade, has BA has retracted what they reported
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: yes about her leaving. I here's why I think it
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: was gonna happen. I think because they say what you
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: all about like the Internet today, Lucasfilm was one of
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the companies that is best at keeping a secret. I
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: think they're pissed that this got out because I am
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: legitimately think. I think they were announcing this in Japan,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: where we're going to be in a couple of months.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: H I think because you're the thing the last Star
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Wars celebration, they announced all this ship that was happening.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: They announced the Ray movie, they announced the Ray, the
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Disney Plus mover all the Disney Plus shows coming to
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: up which is now, which that's not happening or whatnot.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: They announced a type with such. All these things they announced,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: none of them have come to fruition other than the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: TV shows. So I think they're like, hey, you know what,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna announce anything crazy for this one. We're
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: pertimply gonna announce here's what we're working on right now.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Kathleen's leaving, here's her replacement, because you don't. You don't
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: do a Star Wars celebration and not announce anything big
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: after not having one for two it was it been
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: two years or three one or two years. Yeah, they
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: skipped last year, and I think that's what it was.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And I think they're pissed this cut out because if
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: you read the CNN article, they simply just said that
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: our sources say this. But then when you actually read it,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: because again, as I said, it's CNN, stress it. There's
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: one line in here where you got.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: The here's it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: They don't put at the end, they don't put in
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the beginning, they don't put in the middle. They put
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: it like the like sixty five percent mark. Okay, you're ready,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: this is exactly and I and I double checked this
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: because I'm like huh, this is what it says, ld On,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I literally just lost my spot. So they said that
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a source said, a source familiar with the matter. This
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: is key, a source familiar with the matter advertize there's
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: nothing to it right now, so familiar with the matter.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But then when you read the rest of the article,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: familiar with the matter meaning not someone with Lucas or Disney.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: But when you actually go far into the article, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: that's sixty five mark, this is what it says. Lucas
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: did not respond to request for comment, and then a
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: spokesperson did not comment for this story, meaning they got
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: someone to talk and the person will not comment on it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: But they got on the talk for Lucas coming back
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: for Kathleen leaving, oh for Lucasfilms said Lucas. So I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: think they're pissed at this guy out because I wholeheartedly
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: believe they were planning to announce this for uh celebration.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Why because April's huge for them. You have Star Wars
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: celebration in Japan, which Eve though that's obviously not in
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the North America States area. It's every time celebration happens.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what year it is, it's always they
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: always go viral, even though I hate to say it,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: majority of shit they announced does not fucking happen. Secondly,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you have the are you ready feel old? My friend?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: The twentieth anniversary covers of the Sith, which was just
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: announced yesterday, which I also think why this is kind
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: of announced because like, dude, what is what was all
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you want to talking about yesterday? Star Wars? That's all
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about yesterday? And then also, oh yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: what ELSEO came out the other day? The and Or
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: trailer on Monday, which also comes out when in April,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: which I also goes to what may the fourth I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: whole I believe this was planning to be announced in Japan.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I still think it's going to be. I just think
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: they're pissed. And then again seeing how even despite everything
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that's been announced, everything that's going on, everything that's upcoming,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and then you have this awesome Jesus Christ, I mean,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I said it to you. They had a poster go viral.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: First by name Mett Ferguson made the poster for the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: twenty anniversary and it went A poster went viral? Why
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: because it's fucking awesome? When was the last time you
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: already want to talk about a movie poster, you know
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: what I mean? No one talks about him anymore. They'll
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: actually have anything. The only things that people talk about
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: movie posters is how people think Marvel movie posters suck,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: which I agree with. I do think they're terrible. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: But even with all even with everything they announced, all
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the news, all the good press, what's the one thing
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: that the majority of the news was the fact that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: she was leaving, the fact that people were happy for it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that pissed them off, not because again,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: not because it wasn't in the plant, but because they
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: didn't get to do it their way, because they always do.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying she's not gonna announce it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I still think she is going to what I yesterday.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: What I say ninety five percent, I would have gone
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: ninety percent yesterday. That's legit. After we had seen an import,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I could see seventy percent. Only because I think they
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: might be pissed, but also because I think she wants
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to go on a high note. And what better time
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: to go on the high note other than April was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: All Star Wars and and R was coming out, which
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure. Being know this April May
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that is peak TV month for Emmys, and and Or
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: won some Emmys last year and it's going to Quinn Summing.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: It means me nominated for some again.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: And right, I was gonna say.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And I do think I do think the CNN reports bullshit.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I do, but but based on what they put in there,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I that's just I'm not okay, I'm not let me
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: phrase that. I don't think it's bullshit.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: But like.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: They pretty much said like they didn't they we contacted them,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: We got someone to say they talked back to us,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: but they wouldn't. They wouldn't. They wouldn't confirm it, right,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: but they wouldn't deny it either.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I think. Let me start with this. I think and
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna do it, but maybe they will,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: but who knows.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I mean like like announce.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Me, F yeah, you're fine. We we we we we
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: already mentioned that there were like in less five years
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: they had mentioned and like they had mentioned and announced
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: like thirty projects and maybe five have been made. So
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: we never know. We never know what will it will
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: not happen, what will and will not be actually come out?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: So who knows if they will continue with this whole
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: New Republic era stuff content or maybe you'll end tomorrow.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I would prefer I think they're trying to flesh us
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: out so that it's a it's a viable and not viable,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: but it is a like a valid, a valid a
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: piece of the Star Wars universe, even though no one
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: wanted it that are like, no, but we're gonna flesh
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: it out so that it's valid and that it counts
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: and that you know it wasn't for nothing. I think
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: that's what they're trying to do, and I think they
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: should kind of. They put out what they put out.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I think they put out enough of the story that
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: they want to. I think we should call it it
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: a day on the New Republic for now. I think
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: we should. There's we've said it a million times. There
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: is right for the Picking and the Old Republic, plenty
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: of stories. There's so much potential there. I think I
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: think we but like we said, we don't know what's
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: gonna happen. I hope they do. I don't know if
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: they will do that. I think there is an intention
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: from a lot of the diehard fans and a lot
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: of the long term people working on these projects. I'm
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: sure there's a lot of push from them to want
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: to do something other than the High Republic. I'm sure
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: they're also just happy working on Star Wars projects. But
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I think the Star Wars community as a whole around
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the world is kind of just like, you know, the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: people who like it are kind of just like, well,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I love Star Wars content and I'm gonna do my
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: best to enjoy and that's usually the kind of what
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I'm in. But I'm also right, but I'm also on
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the side of like, Okay, we got to call a
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: spade a spade. You know this, this New Republic was
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: just just not it. I'm sorry. There's there's there's some
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: good in it, there's some great stuff in it, but
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: we want more of the more of the not always good,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: always perfect, but content that how would I put this.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: We want content that a eighty percent of the Fano
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: or seventy to eighty percent of grandom can agree is
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: good and instead of fifty to fifty where like we
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: are now, where it's fifty percent of us hated and
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: fifty percent of.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Us love it. I would say, if anything to go
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: on that the New Republic stuff. I would say, it's
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: just you need just to expand your horizons more, because
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I've always said I'm a huge fan of their biggest
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: problem is they always stick to the same not to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the same stuff, but just to the same Lord. It's like, right, look,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: this is there's lyrical right right, right, it's a galaxy
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: far away. So like you, there's so much shit we
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: don't know about, right, there's a fair go ahead. Yeah, no, no,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: you're fine, go ahead.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: To be fair, I mean they stuck on. They stuck
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: on the first trilogy, in the second trilogy for a
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: very long time. They stuck on the prequels and the
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: original trilogy for a very long time. Also fair, they
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: did do some old Republic stuff and a lot of
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: or old Republic stuff in the games, and expanded univerary
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: stuff in the games and books, which I think was great,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: and a lot of people like that, and a lot
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: of people were like, I think a lot of people
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: expected a new age, a completely new story in the
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: last trilogy, and we kind of got that, but it
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: really wasn't what we were looking for. We want to
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: go so far, you know, so far out of what
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: we know. Star Wars and what we got was just
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: a new star It was basically just Star Wars rebranded
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: as the Young Kids and the old ones are dying out,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: but we're still in the old story. I think we should.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: We have gone through the Skywalker saga. We've explored as
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: much as we can. If we still want to explain,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: explore that eras time, sure, but go like like you said, Chuck,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: go somewhere else. Stop focusing on the Skywalkers and all
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: of those focus on outside parts. That's why people love
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: the Mandalorian because even though I still intertwined with the
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Skywalker story, it's its own plot, its contain its own story.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Does they have the Empire, Yes, but but it's not.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: It's not the Rebels fighting the Empire. It's not the
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Jedi fighting the Empire, even though there is bit some
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: piece of that. And throughout the show, it's about the
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: lone Texas Ranger, you know, bounty Hunter, going through life
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: and trying to figure out how is he going to
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: deal with having this kid. That's what we liked. New characters,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: new plow line, new main character, you know, new new
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: thing to to to look into, and that's what we liked.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: And you and again it was still within the original
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: trilogy slash New Republic era, so it's still inside the
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: era you want to play with, but new stories, new characters,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: new plots, new new stuff to engage with. And that's
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: what we need to do, is that's what we need
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: to focus on, just different stuff other than what we know.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Stuff that that stuff that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: People will make take risk.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, take risks.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: This is literally, this is literally you need to do. Okay.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: What was the biggest risk Marvel took that paid off
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: for them? Was it the Avengers together? No, but that
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was a big risk, but it paid off. It was
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Guardians of the Galaxy because you could walk down the street.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Did anyone know did anyone know who the fuck Ironman's
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: actual alias was?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: No?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: No, not majority of people they know Tony Stark or
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Steve Rodgers. Well no, it was I saying, but you
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: know what, now they do. But you know what, even then,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: even even the majority of people, you know, like you
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: can walk down the street and to show up, so
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you can show a random grandma or a random child
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the picture of Batman. Hey, who's that? Oh that's Batman.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: What's their name? Bruce Wayne? Because that's just common fucking
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: knowledge you know they did. They made Guardians of the Galaxy.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: They said, we're gonna take the biggest risk possible. What
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: happened maybe a fucking a jillion dollars. Why because it
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: was a good ass movie. Because they took a risk
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: and it worked. And then it led the two other
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: movies and a spin off on Disney in a Christmas
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: movie on Disny Plus, which is actually really good. That's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: what they need.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I love it. I love it, but it's but here's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the holiday specials.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. No, you think it's okay. I
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: think it's awesome. It's still in that good category. The
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: problem is, like the majority of people say that. But
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: with Star Wars and also it's also it's the fandom
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: is just so and I hate to say it, it's toxic.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but like but like, there are so many
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: things that you can do, and that's when you do that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: That's why you do it. The things that you know
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: people are going to like are comfortable. That's the stuff
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you put in the theater or something like that. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: then we do, like three movies make a billion dollars.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: That's when you take that big risk with something and
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you put a rogue one in theaters. I love Rowan,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: It's one of my top three favorites. Should that movie
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: made a billion dollars based on like what was in
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the movie? No, but you know what, they barely put
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Darth Vader in the trailer and it worked. The movie
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: was a badass. But the same time too, it's like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you gotta take those risks because you have such a giant,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: vast universe to explore. And that's the one thing I'm
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: worry about it. Whoever comes in next is like what
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: are they going to do? Because I'm telling right now,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: if it is, I don't think he's doing any the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Old Republic because I read he doesn't like the Old Republic. Shit,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: he doesn't like the Old Republic. Allegedly, he's not the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: biggest fan of it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I thought he'd universe.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: See, that's the thing. But that the problem is also
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and again these are according to things I've read and
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: other people have said. And this I want to ask
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you here in a second, is obviously who takes over next?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: If it's Folony, I here's what I say. It can't
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: be one person. It needs to be DC. You where
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: you have a guy who's head enough creative and a
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: guy who's head of the bills in the check and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the checks and balances, because do you think John Favreau,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Do you think John Favreau, Dave Filoni, you know how
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to talk to a stockholder or a shareholder about like hey, shit,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, not that they don't, but
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: just common knowledge would common sense would say no.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly the problem is that they But we
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: don't want people to cater tourn the stocks they We
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: just want them to produce stuff, right.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: But the problem is we have to be realistic because
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: with something like this, that's what's gonna happen. Because at
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the same time, while like, yeah, you know, I.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Think they're talking to shareholders, I think because because.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: No, but the person who does this is going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: have to do that. That's the issue.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Yes and no, because they would really just have to
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: report to whoever's head at Disney.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: And I mean you can because yeah, maybe Figgy doesn't
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: talk to those people.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like whoever takes over,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, here's the thing I don't want to be
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: where it's like someone comes in and does like like
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: like whatever. Whenever a new person buys a sports team,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: do you just call the clean sweep? They everyone gets
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: booted and they bring their own people and they put
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: it to their way. The problem with Star Wars, even
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: with Marvel, you don't have to do that. You see,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you have to do that is complete sweep, complete sweep.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Everything has everything's gotta be scrapped, Harry cavill, all that
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: bye get be gone, shoe funck off like, all that
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: had to be cleaned out. And what's happened. Literally a report,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you read a report came out
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: of DC and upcoming stuff on this previous week and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: they and even James Gunn said, yeah, a lot of
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: things we announced. There's still we're still playing, working, but
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: somewhere in the back burner because as he said, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: made some not great choices on writing, on who I
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: wanted to write certain.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Stuff mm hmm.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And that's okay, though you want to why because it's
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: a fresh new start, it's a whole new thing. There's
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: nothing that's quote unquote cannon nothing. But with Star Wars,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that's not what this is is You're not gonna have
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: someone come in and be like it's it's not gonna
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: be all right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Uh uh.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Jon Favreau is the new head of Lucasfilm and he's
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: weird of booting Disney like with a Harry Potter. The recasting,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: the casting auditions for the new Luke Skywalker underway. You're
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: not seeing that shit because you don't because that's that's
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: just not what this is going to be. But it's like, who, Okay,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: here's the name, and I read I think some of
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: the traits they're saying that Filony is the favorite.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Now if this was three or four years ago, I
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: would be doing cartwheels for that. I'm not afraid to admit.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's that great of a writer. Just
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: just hold on, let me be afrase based on the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: dialogue that's come out, because it's not just him writing
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: that's like, okay, well what he wrote, that's that's not
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: how it works. But just some of the stuff that
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: he's produced and wrote that's come out, it's just like, okay,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it's like this, he's only wrote things for animated and television.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: What about the big screen because that's a whole different ballgame. Television,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: you have eight nine episodes, you can do a whole
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: story for an half hour or for a half hour
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: to an hour. So that's what I told. What at
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: least four or five hours of content with a movie?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: You can't do that. You have three hours max. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: by the hour and a half mark, people are either
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: fully investor or checked out if you're lucky. So right now,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the three favorites are Felony Favreau. Actually what was I
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: try to when I write her the three favorites? It's
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Folony Flony, Favreau, Favreau, and then the wild cards Figy.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Because people think he wants to be done with Marvel.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I also think he wants to be done with Marvel.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: If this was two years from now when Avengers comes out,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I would I would, I would. I would put one
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks on that was Figy because by all accounts,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: fig is a huge Marvel guy, right but he's even
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: bigger Star Wars guy. Those are his words, those are
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: his words. But I also don't know if he wants
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to be the head guy anymore. I think he might
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: just be slowly, might just be I'm not gonna say tired,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: but just be like burnt out, maybe burnt out, but
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: not burnt out, burnt out creatively that makes sense. Yeah,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: but with the new with the t with the status,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: here's the thing, know it, with the status that Marvel's
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in right now, and the two of vendors movies that
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: are coming out or not for a couple of years
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: are actually starting to film here in a couple of
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: months or so, actually I think it's next month. What
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: better time than now? If here's the thing? Let me
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: tell you this, Renee, if Fantastic four is successful, I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: could totally see him being the guy because because because
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: what better not, what better note for him to go on?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: What better know for him to go on? I'm the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: one guy that made that group relevant. And for those
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: who don't that are listening the ribbon, what three sets
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of three times they try to make movies with those
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: characters and all have flopped, all of them.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just kind of what was it saying? Yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I you know my feelings on the Marble I for me,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: it's it's ended after uh endgame. And then yes, there
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: has been some great stuff that's come out, but it's
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: it's it's kind of just like the greatness, the greatest
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: stuff that has come out at after the the endgame,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: it seems like just like a if you compare to
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: like something inside before Endgame, Like obviously, yes, there were
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: shitty movies before Endgame, but like it feels like, what's
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: what we're saying is phenomenal now? Was like you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: run of the mill good movie during really was?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: There was a reason A real's common joke on the
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: podcast was that Kevin can wipe his ass with a
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: billion dollars because every movie he made it was a
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: billion dollars.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And that's not the case, like, yeah, great,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: we're finally getting a good movie, but we're comparing it
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: to super shitty stuff that has come out, and when
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: you compare it to previous amazing works, like it's like
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: it still holds up as a good movie, but it's
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: not a masterpiece. Like everyone's saying it's only a masterpiece
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: because we're comparing it to the rest of the ship
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: that has come out afterwards.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Well, for example, like Daredevil comes out next week. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: love Dearedevil. Obviously it's a it's sort of a follow
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: up to the Netflix series. It isn't. It isn't kind
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: of thing. I'm not seeing the hype that was there
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: years ago when they announced this or hell, let's go
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to West Summer with deb Hoo Wolverine. Awesome movie. I
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: enjoyed it, had a great time. But what was the
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: one thing I said that was gonna happen that happened?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Is there really any part of the movie that makes
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: you go other than the brief TVA thing that the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: was be connected to the MCU, other than a John
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Favreau cameo? What connection was there? None? No, none, And
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that's the biggest movie you've done since Spider Man and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and now Spider Man's and we don't giving the Respire
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: movie for like two years as well.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: In conclusion, Uh, we once again, I mean we like
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: again we we for the last five years we wanted
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Kathleen to leave as always we still we we still
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: would look forward again, not in a you've done nothing
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: good in your life, but in a we think it's
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: time for new management way. We are looking forward to her.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's time to go in a different direction.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: It's time to move in a different direction.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly, we should the best look in her future endeavors,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: which apparently it's tiring, not leaving which is retired.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I think she has a great
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: legacy of work I mean, she's worked on so many films,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: not just being lucasfilms, She's working on so many films.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: So yes, if she wants to retire, great, If she
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: wants to work on something else, I think I'm thinking
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: she'll be a great asset to other teams. But you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: we just think it's time for a new head in
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: a new direction for Lucasfilms, and we we we hope
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: that it is true. If not, you know, then we'll
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: continue and you're continued to consume whatever Star Wars content
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: comes out. Except for Accolyte. I will never watch that show.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: It's not that bad. It's not that bad. It's not
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: that bad. Only things I haven't watched is Alcolyte and
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: what's that one kid show that became.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: No No No Skeleton Okay, Skeleton Crew was no No.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: No skelet No no no that Skeleton Crew. I love
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Skeleton Crew, The Disney, the Disney, the Baby One, the
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: the The New Republic, fucking ship like it was like
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: about people flying and about about ships.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Like people flying. Ah Soca bad Batch.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: No, it was the one that no one watched. It
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: was it was like a resistant show.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Even I don't even know what to talk about.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: What they fucking called clicking his bat Star Wars Resistence.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: It's like called Star Wars Resistance, isn't it?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Isn't it the Disney show?
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah? It was Disney's like like instead of Rebels like
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Disney cartoon. Yes, instead of rebels and Clone Wars. We're
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: doing this now. And everyone was like, what.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I've ever told you this? I was once invited. I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: was invited with a good friend of mine. His name's Corey.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: He invited me. I went hung out with him some
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: friends and we were we did a was He's like, hey,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: me and my friends do this trivia thing, and like
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it's Star Wars trivia. I'm like, say, when literally they
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: had two, we got second place second the questions were
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: one of the questions was from that show. And when
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the guy announced from Star Wars Resistance, I booed, and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the table that won full of Star Wars fellow geek
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: my friends, they stood have been applauded me. And the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: guy goes, what And I said, this question doesn't fucking
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: count because that show. I cannon. I don't give a
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: ship what anyone says.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: So, but where are we going with this?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I forgot well, no, you were.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: You were.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: You were essentially you were saying like those you won't
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: watch those shows, and you were essentially you were giving
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Kathleen her flower, which she is entitled to because again,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: this isn't a she's being fired, She's this is she
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: is retiring. But I think it's a mutual. It's a
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it's a mutual part of partying of ways, because here
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I'll give her flowers. And here's the thing. There are
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: two things I want to end on, and we need
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: to talk about you going to the Star We can
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: talk about that later. You're going to Star Wars celebration.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: But like I really hope, and again I don't know
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: how it works, because every convention is different. Sometimes you
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: gotta get an extra ticket to going and that ship.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I really hope that you're there to see that because
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like if you have a chance.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: To be I'm announcing that she's leaving.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the think because I don't I don't know how. Again,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the I'm not going, so I
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: looked at the plan like for like comic Con, like
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Comic Con, for example, like the hall Ahe saying, like,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you know, you have a Comic Con ticket. You have
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to get in line to get into that thing. There's
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I'll guarantee get that part of the show Star Wars celebration.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I know when that one Chicago years ago happened and
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: they showed the Rise of Skywalker trailer May, there were
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that were in that theater. There
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: were a lot of people who were not in that theater.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was at work when they announced
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: it and then I got to the convention.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I'm hope, but I don't know.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You have to get like into a
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: raffle or buyas in particular for that. I hope that
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: you get to experience that because I'm not. I don't
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: It's also it's just want to be in the area
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: when they announce stuff.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Right, And I think that's going to be I think
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a very.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Cool experience for you, oh for sure.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: But I also I think it's gonna be very interesting
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: because I also love to get your and we'll do
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: a follow up get your take on Let's say they say, hey,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: she's retiring, Which are the best for Luck thank you
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: for everything. Here's the new person. Blah blah blah, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I want to like, obviously the internet will react, but
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: like see how you because you'll be able to get
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: the actual You'll get the first feel of like, well,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: how everyone else? How real? The craziest people think, because
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be there. That's the one thing. Like you
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: gotta tell me what everyone? What's the vibe? Here are
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: we all? Are we doing? Is this the end of
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: a Return of the Jedi? Or is this uh, you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Revenge of the Sith where we's got our asses kicked?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: The Japanese are very much they'll tell you.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not. It's all. But it's going to
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: be multiple cultures from people over the world. Dope, that's
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: the thing. Yeah, and before I do want to give
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: her flowers. I'm not gonna obviously go down the list,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing. She produced more than seventy films
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and has been nominated for eight oss Oh and can
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I ask you a question really quick, fre get out
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: of here. Would you care to tell me all time?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: What is the biggest box office movie domestically? Ever? The
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: answer is not Endgame, that's number two.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: What's that Avatar.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: No, it is not Avatar. Avatar is fourth. The biggest
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: movie domestically in the United States All the Time is
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: a movie produced by Kathleen Kennedy. It's called The Force
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Awakens No Oh. Domestically, domestically, it is the biggest movie
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: in the history United States of America. America. We make
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that clear, not all, not all, not gross for the
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: entire planet America. The initial gross was nine hundred and
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: thirty six million, Avatar was seven hundred and forty million,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: which is fucking insane. So you have to give her
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: flowers when it's due. Anyway, Well, we're right out time
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit today, so I do a podist for that.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: But we'll get we'll talk about clicking ey clacks, Japan,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: travel woes here in a little bit once it comes.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Not travel wolves. But you're planning walls, which when you
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: told me there were the phone, I was I'm not
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: gonna lie to I was almost pissed my pants laughing
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: for you. Do I hear anything you want to plug?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Promoke it off your chest, give flowers too, ask the prom.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: No, No, I think just a chill guy, just a chilling,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: non chalant guy. That's it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Chill, nonchalant guy chilling with the forest. One with the forest.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: It's one with you.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, cool, cool, that's cool. Oh lord, at any
• 50:36
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• 50:49
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• 50:52
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• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I am planning to go to Europe here in about
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: a month and a half or so, but I do
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: plan to do pre records before then, so hopefully no
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: major news breaks. But then I just realized you when
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be traveling just.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Come back from fucking Europe Christmas?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to go. Hey man, I go visit
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: my better half, Sue me the wife. Actually I just
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: realized too, I'm gonna be in Europe when you're gonna When.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Is Japan April mid April mid April.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: So I should be in April, or I should be
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: in April. I should be in Europe in April, so
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I'll have to bring my mic with me, because get
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: what's that quick?
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: You could just take a quick plane ride.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, quick, yeah, quick little plane ride from
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Germany to Japan. I'm sure it's quick.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Still tickets available.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: To celebration or for celebration. Don't tell me the good
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: time anyway, So well I might bring my or I
• 51:59
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