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BPS 456: The New Rules of Indie Filmmaking No One Is Teaching with the Jalbert Brothers · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 5: On this episode, I have two brothers who starve their
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  Speaker 5: careers in video production fifteen years ago as kids making
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  Speaker 5: home videos in their family's backyard. One does a lot
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  Speaker 5: of the producing, one does a lot of the cinematography,
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  Speaker 5: and that's a good team to have. Their credits include
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  Speaker 5: producer and first assistant director for the feature film Apple
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  Speaker 5: of My Eye starring Burt Reynolds and Amy Smart. And
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  Speaker 5: they also teach a hell of a lot of awesome
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  Speaker 5: seminars about making your first film for a few thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars on thousand dollars two thousand dollars with guests Brian
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  Speaker 5: and Jake Cholbert, the Jolbert Brothers.
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  Speaker 6: Well, so I'm gonna take I'm gonna take it back
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  Speaker 6: a little bit The first time we started going full
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  Speaker 6: time was when we started, actually Jake with an entertainment
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  Speaker 6: company called Iris Entertainment. That was kind of like the
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  Speaker 6: first inkling of it. And Jake's actually does video full time.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 6: I have a construction company, so therefore I'm doing that
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  Speaker 6: and I'm doing this at the same time. So Jake
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  Speaker 6: actually is the one actually more full time. He does video,
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  Speaker 6: full time, editing, all that good stuff. But I would
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  Speaker 6: say back in what two thousand and eight or nine.
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  Speaker 7: Two thousand and nine, we started a company, yeah, called
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  Speaker 7: Iris Entertainment where there was four of us. I did video,
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  Speaker 7: there's you know, some guys in DJA and photography. But
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  Speaker 7: really what I think the question you're really asking is,
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  Speaker 7: you know, when do we dive in and start realizing
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  Speaker 7: that we could actually maybe help some people. And because
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  Speaker 7: we've been through a couple projects and different things, and
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  Speaker 7: from the Fugal filmmaker and looking at people talking to
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  Speaker 7: different filmmakers, you hear different stories and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: you know, if you if you just knew this, I
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  Speaker 7: think you could this would help you.
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  Speaker 6: And that pretty much started.
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  Speaker 7: I would say, uh January, Yeah, so we've been doing
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  Speaker 7: it in about a year.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. And the thing about us too, man, is it's
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  Speaker 6: not about really teaching per Se in the typical way
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  Speaker 6: of saying, hey, this is the way you should do something,
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  Speaker 6: But it's more of documenting our journey per Se, what
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  Speaker 6: we're doing, some of the things that helped us and marry,
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  Speaker 6: some of the mistakes that we've made, and and and
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  Speaker 6: try to do options. See. The problem I see is
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  Speaker 6: there's all these old ideals going on right within the
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  Speaker 6: film community and the film ways of doing things. Nobody's
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  Speaker 6: really i should say, nobody is doing it, but people
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  Speaker 6: need to start experimenting. It's it's it's there's new ways
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  Speaker 6: of doing things. There's ultimately gonna be new people that
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  Speaker 6: are going to be coming out and maybe making it
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  Speaker 6: in those new ways. So figuring out whether it's making
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  Speaker 6: episodic and going and putting on Facebook. Facebook not Facebook Live,
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  Speaker 6: but they got a Facebook Watch now, And there's so
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  Speaker 6: many different avenues that we need to start, i think,
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  Speaker 6: really opening up to and figuring out how to make
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  Speaker 6: it work for the film community. If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. Any and you know
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  Speaker 8: you mentioned Facebook too, because with all the ways of
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  Speaker 8: distribution and stuff, now you know, you have to take
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  Speaker 8: it account all the social media aspects. And then they
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  Speaker 8: all got into video now and now I mean this
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  Speaker 8: is kind of sort of getting away from we're talking
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  Speaker 8: about in a way. But I just saw that WWE
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  Speaker 8: is going to start doing live events on Facebook and
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  Speaker 8: which is what I thought was gonna happen, where you're
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  Speaker 8: gonna start seeing like TV shows or and more sports
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  Speaker 8: and stuff like that. They're not going to count on
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  Speaker 8: you for Nielsen ratings and watching it through your TV.
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  Speaker 8: They're going to count on you watching it on your
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  Speaker 8: phone through Facebook.
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  Speaker 7: Well, if you think about it, they're going to miss
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  Speaker 7: the boat if they don't. You know, it's like it
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  Speaker 7: is the thing, you know what I'm saying. It is
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  Speaker 7: the thing.
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  Speaker 6: Like like I don't know if you listen to the
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  Speaker 6: Gary Vee anyway, Yeah, if you really listen to those guys.
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  Speaker 6: And the thing about film community is you can't get
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  Speaker 6: stuck in the film community. Ways what are other people
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  Speaker 6: doing and how can we make that work?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 6: Gary v likes to say, you know, take advantage of
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  Speaker 6: the situation that's going on and really see where the
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  Speaker 6: attention is and like where ultimately, where's people? Where are
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  Speaker 6: people eyeballs. It's on Facebook, it's it's on the social media.
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  Speaker 6: It's not in the theaters like it used to be.
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  Speaker 6: And now, don't give you wrong, theaters will always be there,
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  Speaker 6: and theaters are great. And you know, I love to
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  Speaker 6: have my movie. You know, I've had a movie played
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  Speaker 6: in theater, but it was you know, we four walled it.
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  Speaker 6: But if if you you know, if you actually having
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  Speaker 6: a company get it there and having a wide release,
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  Speaker 6: that's that's phenomenal. But that's not the only way, you know,
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  Speaker 6: and that's not the only way to make it work.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's figuring out how to make it work.
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  Speaker 8: I feel, yeah, exactly, you know. And you know, as
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  Speaker 8: you talk about doing this like full time, just to
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  Speaker 8: take a step back, you know that that's sort of
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  Speaker 8: the crux, isn't it. You know, that's sort of the
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  Speaker 8: big question that a lot of filmmakers have, whether they're
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  Speaker 8: you know, twenties or thirties or forties or what have you. It's,
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  Speaker 8: you know, how do I make a How do I
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  Speaker 8: become a full time filmmaker? You know, how do I
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  Speaker 8: make my movie? Well at the same time working a
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  Speaker 8: day job so I don't go crazy trying to do both,
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  Speaker 8: you know, and so you you've actually started to do that,
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  Speaker 8: So like, well, what was some of the steps you
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  Speaker 8: took though to to sort of just say, you know what,
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  Speaker 8: I don't want to work in an office or do whatever.
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  Speaker 8: I want to go around shoot video. I mean, did
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  Speaker 8: you start, you know, going around to small businesses and
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  Speaker 8: shooting commercials and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I just went out a well honestly and was
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  Speaker 7: just I we we filmed it as a little kid
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  Speaker 7: then in the backyard, and you know, two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 7: I just bought a camera and just started filming stuff.
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  Speaker 7: And the biggest thing I would say to become full
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  Speaker 7: time being a filmmaker is just start making stuff. So
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  Speaker 7: start learn how to run camera, learn how to run sound.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people don't want to learn these things.
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  Speaker 7: They want to just direct to get a directing job.
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  Speaker 7: Like that is I mean, it's not, it's just not.
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  Speaker 7: You have to learn skills. If you can build skills
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  Speaker 7: within camera, okay, you can make money. People will pay you.
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  Speaker 7: So I mean you just hit everybody up. You film
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  Speaker 7: stuff for free, film tongues of stuff. You get better
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  Speaker 7: and better, you keep getting better. There's craigsitus Or's Facebook.
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  Speaker 7: You just post your videos that you do on when
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  Speaker 7: people just start reaching out to you say, oh, you
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  Speaker 7: become the video guy in your community. So now everybody
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  Speaker 7: knows me. You know what I'm saying. He does video,
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  Speaker 7: he shoots weddings, he shoots real estate videos, he shoots film,
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  Speaker 7: and you just become that guy and work just starts
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  Speaker 7: coming in. For me, it was like I was a server,
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  Speaker 7: you know, so my job was doing was serving and
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  Speaker 7: then building my business on the side, video business, and
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  Speaker 7: it took about five or six years. So for me,
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  Speaker 7: it took about six year to build that to be
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  Speaker 7: full time to where you know, me and Brian, we
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  Speaker 7: never liked sitting at a desk. We've never really done that.
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  Speaker 7: So we work for ourselves. So I mean, especially Brian,
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  Speaker 7: he won't work for nobody, you know, he bought them,
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  Speaker 7: works for himself, and he does a great job. And
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  Speaker 7: he's always managed, and you know, he kind of took
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  Speaker 7: the role as the producer because he's always managed and
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  Speaker 7: he's always kind of put things together and you know,
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  Speaker 7: knew how to deal with the tough situations that maybe
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know how to do, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And that's I think that's the key. Okay, So going
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  Speaker 6: full time for a filmmaker is what are you actually doing? Like,
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  Speaker 6: are you do you want to be a director? Like
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  Speaker 6: Jason learned to run camera. You know, I know a
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  Speaker 6: guy that's in our area who does film full time
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  Speaker 6: and he started out in sound, right, he bought some
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  Speaker 6: sound gear, started doing stuff for free to get his
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  Speaker 6: reel up. Now he's known as the sound guy and
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  Speaker 6: then just recently direct a movie.
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  Speaker 4: So there's ways in. You just have to have that option.
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  Speaker 6: In your brain looking for those other ways in, Like
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  Speaker 6: when I went and I ended up being a first
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  Speaker 6: a d and a co producer for the Apple of
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  Speaker 6: my E movie. Right, that wasn't by accident. And most
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  Speaker 6: people would say, oh, you gotta start as a PA
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  Speaker 6: and you gotta work your way up. Well, you know, I,
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  Speaker 6: like Jay said, I don't like working for people. So
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  Speaker 6: I did that for certain reasons because I've wanted to
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  Speaker 6: work with Burt Browns, I wanted to work with Amy Smart,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I wanted that credit there. But I was
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  Speaker 6: able to jump a bunch of steps by building a
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  Speaker 6: network of people and not settling for a lower position
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  Speaker 6: per se. You know, Yeah, I was a co producer
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  Speaker 6: first ad Normally I like to run lead, but for
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  Speaker 6: that case scenario, I made exceptions and went and did it.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that's ultimately what it's like, Jason building
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  Speaker 6: skills and to touch on that real quick, just super quick.
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  Speaker 6: I know we're moving on. But and the worst worst,
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  Speaker 6: you know, worst comes the worst. You've built these skills that.
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  Speaker 4: You have forever.
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  Speaker 7: And that's where now I can do video and I
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  Speaker 7: can make money and I can work my way into
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  Speaker 7: the industry where I want to be.
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  Speaker 6: Build it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean period, building, building skills, sales skills, marketing skills.
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  Speaker 7: We're doing it all because that's what it takes. Now, man,
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  Speaker 7: that's what it takes, I believe.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like what Rob Rodriguez says. You know, if
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  Speaker 8: you have the talent plus the know how, you're unstoppable,
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  Speaker 8: which means uh and by that he means knowing the
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  Speaker 8: technology how to use it and then also being you know,
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  Speaker 8: being able to be creative. You know, you're unstoppable. Then
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  Speaker 8: because you don't have to, you know, depend on a
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  Speaker 8: lot of different people because you had again you you've
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  Speaker 8: built all these skills up, and just to take a
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  Speaker 8: step back to what you were just saying, Brian, I
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  Speaker 8: completely get where you're coming from. Man, you don't want
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  Speaker 8: to work for anybody else. I trust me. Man, I
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  Speaker 8: get that so much because I used to get offers
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  Speaker 8: all the time to produce other people's movies and I
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  Speaker 8: would just say no. And when the people would ask why,
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  Speaker 8: I would say, because I want to make my stuff.
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  Speaker 8: I don't want to make your stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Isn't that? Isn't that?
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  Speaker 7: It is funny because if we if we got offered
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  Speaker 7: to maybe direct a big movie, we probably turned it
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  Speaker 7: down because it's just like I want to. We just
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  Speaker 7: want to do what we want to do, and for us,
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  Speaker 7: for us, it's doing our own projects, building our own
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  Speaker 7: empire per se.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know you want to, you want to,
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  Speaker 8: you know, people to make your stuff because we're only
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  Speaker 8: on this earth for what what maybe eighty years? Ninety years,
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  Speaker 8: I don't know. At the rate I'm going, I probably
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  Speaker 8: have about three more years. So anyways, but come on,
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  Speaker 8: you got more than that, man, I'd tell you. Some days,
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  Speaker 8: I I really wonder anymore. But anyways, it all it's
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  Speaker 8: all jokes everybody. I'm not really like, you know, dying
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  Speaker 8: or anything. But but you know, you know, just as
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  Speaker 8: we talk about, you know, making all these movies and
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  Speaker 8: stuff like that, you guys have a piece of advice
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  Speaker 8: that you gave. And by the way, you guys doing
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  Speaker 8: Facebook video like promotions and Facebook videos live chats. That's
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  Speaker 8: all genius marketing, by the way, So that's huge. And
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  Speaker 8: I don't see any of the filmmaker and I'm friends
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  Speaker 8: with a ton of filmmakers, believe me, I don't see
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  Speaker 8: any of them doing that stuff. I think you guys
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  Speaker 8: are really like ahead of the curve and doing that,
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  Speaker 8: doing that type of of sort of you're talking to
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  Speaker 8: your crowd, right, you know, directly, you're talking to people
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  Speaker 8: that like your Facebook page. You're talking to people inside
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  Speaker 8: the Frugal Filmmaker page, and you're talking to them directly,
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  Speaker 8: and it becomes it's basically what I think that is,
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  Speaker 8: by the way, is what Google Hangout was trying to be,
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  Speaker 8: but they just couldn't get it right. And Facebook just
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  Speaker 8: copied it and just said, hey, you know what, we
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  Speaker 8: can do it better.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway. Yeah, yeah, I agree, with you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just seeing around corners. It's seeing on corners
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  Speaker 7: before anybody else, and that's how most people excel. Further,
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  Speaker 7: that's how Robert Riguez did you know.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and so one of those video chats you guys
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  Speaker 8: mentioned making a movie for a thousand bucks, which I,
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  Speaker 8: by the way, think is terrific advice because I have
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  Speaker 8: seen too many people, and I'm sure you have two
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  Speaker 8: where they want to make a movie and maybe whether
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  Speaker 8: they're a first time filmmaker or maybe they made a
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  Speaker 8: few shorts, and all of a sudden, they're trying to
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  Speaker 8: either raise like ten thousand and fifty one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 8: or more to make a film, and they don't have
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  Speaker 8: the experience to really utilize that budget, you know what
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  Speaker 8: I mean, and they so they end up spending money
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  Speaker 8: on the wrong things or they just completely end up
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  Speaker 8: just you know, just destroying the whole budget because they
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  Speaker 8: dis don't know how to handle it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. Man.
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  Speaker 6: Just to put in perspective too, we went to the AFM, right,
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  Speaker 6: So we're there and we got a buddy there and.
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  Speaker 4: Then we met this other gentleman.
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  Speaker 6: So there's two different budgets should say here one was
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  Speaker 6: under ten thousand. I'm not gonna say the number because
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  Speaker 6: it's it's around where we're at, what we're talking about,
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  Speaker 6: but I don't want to completely throw it out there,
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  Speaker 6: So under ten thousand, and then this other gentleman made
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  Speaker 6: his for around five hundred thousand, okay, and the two
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  Speaker 6: different comparisons is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: The other guy that made.
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  Speaker 6: It for five had no experience, didn't get the right
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  Speaker 6: talent on board to make it happen, okay, because it
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  Speaker 6: was his first time, and he actually blew money that
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  Speaker 6: was kind of an inheritance. So it just the problem
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  Speaker 6: is he could have took that, made even a twenty
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  Speaker 6: thousand dollars movie and did so much better with it,
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  Speaker 6: versus the guy that made it under ten is got
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  Speaker 6: the sales agents, got it released, and is gonna is
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  Speaker 6: gonna get a release in theaters. So it's having it's
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  Speaker 6: realizing that take your first one, give yourself a budget
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  Speaker 6: of a thousand and three thousand, because we could all
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  Speaker 6: we'll work for a year and save that. Okay, have
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  Speaker 6: a script that's simplistic. It may not be your ultimate script,
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  Speaker 6: but have it creative. Everybody talks about being creative, but
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  Speaker 6: nobody's really creative. They throw money at it. Don't throw
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  Speaker 6: money at your problem. Be creative with it. So if
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  Speaker 6: you do make a mistake and you screw up on
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  Speaker 6: your first one, you will screw up. You will you
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  Speaker 6: make that mistake and you screw up. At least it's
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  Speaker 6: not somebody's one hundred thousands that they gave you, or
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  Speaker 6: you raised through your family and you went to all
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  Speaker 6: your uncles and your parents and everybody, and then you
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  Speaker 6: raise fifty grand and then you don't get the right
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  Speaker 6: or you get a name on the box that's maybe
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  Speaker 6: diluted because you didn't know his name was diluted, and
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  Speaker 6: you can't sell it because they already got their movie
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  Speaker 6: for the year that has that actor in it, you
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  Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. So it's having an understanding of
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  Speaker 6: the market, what's going on, what's your budget, Keep it simplistic,
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  Speaker 6: be creative, and you might end up with a freakin
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  Speaker 6: You might end up with a winner, or you might
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  Speaker 6: end up with a dud, but at least you didn't
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  Speaker 6: or might take you twenty years. You just don't know.
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: But the biggest hold up I think filmmakers have is
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: they think they need, especially new ones that don't know
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: much about it. They think they need millions or fifty thousand,
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: like you don't. You just need experience. So go one location,
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: one actor, write a script, and just go make a
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: way for a thousand bucks. And people, we get a
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: lot of flak for that. People don't like that. Half
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: the people like it, half people don't like it. But
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: it is what it is, and it's it's getting those
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: kids that wouldn't know what to do to give them
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: some hope that, oh I can go make actually make
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: a film and maybe meet a connection that leads.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Me to this door to that door.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: So it's opening doors.
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: Don't sit around and wait for the fifty thousand, just
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: go make it for a thousand and then eventually that
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: fifty thousand will come knock, so.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: Money you'll get the money when they're freddy, I feel.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: It's also when when people look like I'm sure every
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: filmmaker in one way or another, wants to emulate, you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: the people that they look up to as their heroes.
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: The problem is sometimes if let's just use Chrisopher Nolan
• 16:59
  Speaker 8: as an example, well, you know, if we wanted to
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: emulate him, you know, we couldn't do an inception, because
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: what was that like one hundred million, one hundred fifty million.
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: But if if we looked at Following, and I don't
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: know if you guys have ever seen Following, it's actually
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: a really cool movie that Christopher Nolan shot and it
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: didn't cost him a lot of money at all, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: it really just and then that's what sent him up
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: to make Memento, which was what he was trying to
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: make to begin with, but he couldn't make it because
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: he couldn't get the budget, so he made Following instead.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Makes sense, he.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: Put his ultimate script on the back burner to get
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: one done and show what he can do. I think
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: that's the key, show what you can do, like if
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: you can't. You know, people think if you get money,
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: you're gonna make a great film if you and don't
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: get me wrong, there's people that if you hire the
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: right people in every spot and you're the director and
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: you actually don't have the ego and you're able to
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: listen to what everybody's saying and adjust to the situation.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: You got the money, yeah, go ahead, you know what
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: You'll have people backing you up and you'll learn a
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: lot doing it. But for us that don't have that,
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: we don't have the connections, we don't have the big bucks,
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: and we weren't able to raise the money. What do
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: you do do you sit around? No, you got to
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: get off your ass. You got to go make something.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, And that's just what we did. And that's
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: why we talk like that, because we're like, dude, we
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: made our first movie on three grand, you know what
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: I mean?
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: And you know, I think you also said it too, Brian,
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: or maybe it was you Jake on one of those
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: Facebook chats. You know, you have to you have to
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: show what you can do for nothing, because anybody can
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: spend money. And that's so true. I mean, that kind
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: of hit me because I'm saying, sit there going, you
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: know what, that's that's the truth. You have to be
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: able to show that you can only take you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: maybe your cell phone or a lower grade camera that
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: maybe isn't four K or whatever, right, but you can
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: make something. But you have to be able to show
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: you you did the hustle or whatever, because you want
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: people to look at that movie and say, hey, Jake
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: and Brian, how the hell did you guys shoot this movie?
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: And then you tell them, Oh, we did it for
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: you know, fifty bucks or a hundred bucks or whatever,
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: one thousand bucks. They go, how the hell did you
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: do that for that little amount of money?
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: I mean, how how could you not do it for
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: that kind of money? Like phones are almost like the
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: four K thing, like if you have the budget, cool, Well,
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: if you're trying to shoot something super high quality but
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: you don't know what you're doing, it just turns it
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: just looks really bad. Like you have a better chance
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: of using a phone and making it as it's a
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: phone and shooting something that's really super creative, that's more
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: interesting to me, and something that you could possibly maybe
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: release on Facebook and build a name for yourself. You
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: know that that would work so much better, I feel
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: than trying to polish something when you when it's like
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: it's just it won't look right, trying to polish something
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: with something that's not polishable.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: If that makes any sense.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that makes perfect sense. Because you know, just
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: as a as a as a food for thought type
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: of experiment, if somebody listening to this, what advice would
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: you give them if they said they wanted to make
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: a movie this weekend? Just as like a short film,
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: or not even this weekend, but like you know what
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, like actually planning something.
• 20:03
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• 20:09
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• 20:12
  Speaker 8: You know, would you say, utilize like the living room
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: that you have right now, or your house you are
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: live in right now, or or or and then just
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: you know, film on your phone something like that, just
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: to just to sort of get your uh sort of
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: like you know, get your feet under you as a filmmaker,
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: and then just sort of go from and then just
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: see what you made and then sort of go from there.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: All right, So let's put in perspective like me and
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: Brian are going to make a film. What do we
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: have access to right now?
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: We're in my apartment.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: Okay, we know we have our apartment. We know we
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: have each other, we can work with each other. What
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: cameras do we have? Do we know anybody with cameras?
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: Do we know somebody that can run a camera? If
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: we don't, you know what, let's just have fun and
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: maybe use our phone and actually create something on our phone.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: We have Brian's daughter here, maybe she can act in it,
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: you know, So just you have to just utilize what
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: you have don't try to like write what you want
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: want because right now, it's not about what you want
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: about what you have if you don't have a lot.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: So that's what I would say, what do you think?
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and keep it simplistic, like you know, like like
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: Jake said, you know, you get one location. Like our
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: first movie we did in two locations and the intro
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: scene was maybe like five minutes and then the rest
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: of it was in one location.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: It was in a house, and it was a slasher.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: You know, it is what it is.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: It's it's not perfect, but it's ours and we made
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: it and we we released it ourselves, and you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: we got a little bit of a name talent on it,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: and we had fun with it and we learned a lot.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: So I suggest that, yeah, correct, look what's what you got?
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: What do you have access to be creative and have
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: some fun with it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: You know, I would focus on more what you have
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: around and then what you cause most people focus on
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: like I don't have the camera, all right, I just
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: don't have this or I don't have that, Like you
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: have a phone, because you're obviously watching our lives or
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: you're watching stuff on a phone.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: So a phone's good enough.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, just maybe spend the money on a good
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: good sound, yeah, because I think that's key. Yeah, good sound,
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: and then maybe the phone quality would look It would
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: be interesting if you can come up with something clever.
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: I can't tell people what to come up with, but
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: come up with something cool. Could you could do some
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: damage with something like that, I think, because that's where
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: it is now. It's all phone and people are going live,
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: so you know, we might do something like that. You know, eventually,
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: someone better do it soon because.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: It's the new.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: It is what it is, what it is right now.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: So to capitalize on doing someone maybe snapchatting all day
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: would be cool. I would more or less watch that
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: than trying to watch a drama or something like that
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: would be that is the thing. It already has a
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: it has a marketed fanase, it has a marketability marketable.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: You can say this is my snapchat movie. I'd be like, oh,
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: let me check. That seems that's different. So I would
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: think outside the box. If you really want to make
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: something that's going to leave an impression. If you just
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: want to make something, just go make it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: But yeah, did you guys see the that movie. It
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: was a well, it was a short film where it
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: took place all within a person texting her friends. It
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: was just basically the actual they screencapped her phone and
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: the whole entire movie was was literally you just saw her,
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: uh her the screen of her phone as she was
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: texting people back and forth.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: I did not see that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I'd love to see that. Actually, that's an awesome idea.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: That's what it That's what it is, you know, that's
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: what it is. Like we uh, we wanted to make
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: something and we came up with what we have. We
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: don't have a I have a C one hundred and
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: we want to do the show, a TV show you
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: know called Haunted Tours that we're putting out actually next year, uh,
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: next month. And we kept it very simple, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: very simple. It's very dark, very real.
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: It's just us.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: It didn't take a bunch of money.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we go in there and we investigate locations. Now
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: we're not the investigators. We got other people on board
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: for that, and we were able to shoot five episodes,
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So it's it's just creating.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: I mean that's the biggest thing. Once you create, you'll
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: get better and you'll learn from it. And you'll make
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: mistakes and then you can create again, and you can
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: keep creating and before you know it, I mean, you're
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: you're doing it and you get paid it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: If we if we didn't go live on Monday, you
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: would have never seen us, and you would have never
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: you know, we might have not been on your podcast,
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: you know. And for us, this could lead us somewhere,
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: This could lead us somewhere good, or you just don't.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Know, you know, you just got to just got to
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: do it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I would say, just do it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you never know where what door you open, where
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: it's going to lead into, uh, you know. And I
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: found that out too, because even starting this podcast, for instance,
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: has led to so many doors being opened that I
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: wouldn't even have thought about, you know, when I started
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: this what three years ago or whatever the hell it's been.
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: But I mean, it's just been a lot of interesting
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: stuff happening. And again, you know, I mean even when
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: I've done like my stuff around the area in this
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: Philly area, just doing things, you sort of become I
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: don't want to use that word an attraction, but but
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean, it's kind of like that
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: book The Secret where you kind of like attract things,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean, where it's like people see
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: actually doing stuff and all of a sudden they go, oh,
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: I want to talk to that person, because it's they're
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: not just talking about it, they're actually doing it. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: I remember, I forget who it was who gave me
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: this advice when I when I started years ago, but
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: he said that there, if you actually make something, you're
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: not normal. Normal is sitting on your couch talking about
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: making something.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: That's so true, Rid, Yeah, it's just dealing, bro.
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And so again I love that advice by the way,
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: you know, just finding out what you have. Instead of
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: thinking about the negative, which is what you don't have,
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: you're thinking about the positive, which is what you do
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: have and you do have access to. And sometimes when
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: people start brainstorming things like that, they start getting bigger ideas,
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean. They start thinking, oh, you
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: know what I forgot I had access to this, or hey,
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: you know what, we can go down to the park
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: and shoot this scene because it's a public park and
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: you know, we can go off to the side there,
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: and you know, stuff like that where you know, you start,
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: you know, you start actually working and stuff starts flowing
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: a little better.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you get so much. The thing is,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: like we said earlier, building your skills because you get
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: so much knowledge of how is it? And then and
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: then one thing to do too is, you know, go
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: on a.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: Couple sets that are local that you know, got some
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: name talent on and learn watch how they operate, you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: and then you can help operate your set like that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: You know. So, I mean that's that's ultimately too, just
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: just watching, learning.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: Getting in the it's getting in the mix.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: When we do those lives, we get in the mix.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: It's like we're we're we're online networking with other filmmakers,
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: sharing our advice, hoping to get other advice back, because
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: we're always learning.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: The key is always learned.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: We we like the mixed filmmaking with business because it
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: is ultimately a business and if you don't understand that
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: part of it, you have to either get somebody who
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: understands it or I think you'll be doomed unless you're
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: super creative that someone just grabs you up. I think
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: nowadays you need to know the whole aspect of it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: You need to know business, sales, marketing, it's all relevant now.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: You need to know it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: Because the biggest thing too, if you look at it,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: like when rober Rodriguez made it and Quentin Tarantino, it
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: was a different error, Like it was a different time,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So now it's a different time.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: So who's gonna be those guys that break out through
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: a new technology or a new way and they're they're
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: reinventing not reinventing the wheel. But because if you look
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: at it, everything that we're doing, like right now, this
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: is like radio. You know, when we're on Facebook Live,
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: that's like TV. But it's just a different way of
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: bringing it to an audience, you know what I'm saying.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: So I think that's the biggest thing is is finding
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: out how to do it and take capitalize on it
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: and see what happens. That's that's all we.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Try to do.
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know that's a good point, by the way,
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: because I mentioned that too before in past episodes. You know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: you had the nineties and you have Tarantino and Smith
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: and Rodriguez, they all came up and they sort of
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: became the new celebrity director of replacing the ones in
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: the eighties like your carpenter and you know, and you
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: have all those directors that get the seventies directors like
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: Spielberg but and Scorsese. But what happens is with today
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: you don't really see that celebrity director anymore. You don't
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: really see that, and you kind of look at to
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: see who what what people are really making films u uh,
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: from our young from the next general, the general, the
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: next generation. You see like Okay, Damian Chase, James wand
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: you know, you have guys like that, but you're like,
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: but but they don't really they're not really that celebrity
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: director type where people would notice them unless they're in
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: the business like us, who would notice, you know, who
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: would say oh, that's that's that's them, you know, you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean. And that's why I kind
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: of think that if you look towards like what YouTube
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: is doing, if you look at the top YouTubers, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: mean you've got like uh, Peudie Pie, You've got you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: like like what's the other guy's named, Logan Paul. You
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: get all those guys and they're just doing like like
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: skid stuff. And I'm always wondering if you had somebody
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: like that who actually made short films or something like that,
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: who was actually a celebrity of that level on a
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: particular social media channel, they could capitalize on it and
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: have almost a hundred center the marketplace.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree so much too.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Like nowadays, they don't want to be celebrities or stars,
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: they want to be beaucian. It's like he said, you
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: know who I'm surprised who's never I don't think I've
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: ever seen him do a feature is.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Ryan cop from Film Right Film Riot.
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: I think y has like what I think.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: It's instance, are a good audience of people to actually
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: make something really cool like a feature and actually get.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Some bud behind it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I know Ryan Ku from No Film School. He's
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: been making his for a while. But yeah, I know
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: a lot of these these websites and stuff. He kind
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: of wonder why they don't have somebody trying to capitalize
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: on that. Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know, but I agree
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: with you one hundred percent.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: Man. I think I think somebody, you know, somebody's got
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: to be that breakout and uh, you know the new
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: way of doing it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's experimenting.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think most of the filmmakers get caught up
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: in the old ways, like we were just talking about.
• 29:58
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• 30:04
  Speaker 3: now back to the show.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: So if you hone in you capitalize on what is now,
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: which is social media, I think you will win.
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and and also too with social media, that's how
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: you pre uh you know, pre sell your crowdfunding campaign.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: That's how you get your you meet other filmmakers, your network.
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: Because I always tell people and and I didn't even
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: ask if you guys went to film school, but I
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: mean that's what I tell people because I've actually worked
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: at a college and and I've actually you know, I've
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: graduated from college too, and it's just like you know, nowadays,
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: I would just I would if I was graduating from
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: high school. I wouldn't even bother with it. I would
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: learn on you to me and network wherever I need
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: to go to meetup dot com, look at meet up
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: to my area. I'd go on to Twitter or LinkedIn,
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: you know, I go to YouTube. I mean, you know
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: what I mean, It's so many avenues and I'm like,
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: why would you spend two hundred thousand dollars to go
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: to college? I mean, you know what I mean, It
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: just it just doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: No not.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: I mean to be honest with you, we're both high
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: school dropouts. Man, I dropped out at fifteen. I'm just
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: I just never liked I guess you could say I'm
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: just kind of a revel dude. I just never liked system.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: I've always kind of liked to go my own way.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: And I think that's what filmmakers are missing nowadays, too,
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: is go your own way. Like don't I know everybody
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: wants to go to the theater and you want to
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: get a distribution deal with Sony and all this shit.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Well what's the how can we capitalize on what's going on?
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: Like they'll come, you know, they'll come knocking at you
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: when you've got something hot. So if you can make
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: it hot yourself, like that's that's ultimately, that's all it is.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: You know, like people you want to if you get
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: a name talent in your movie, like Tom Cruise, you're
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: just helping out with less marketing in the back.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: End, you know what I mean. So do a movie.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: If you're gonna get a budget, you do a movie.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: Say you do one on twenty grand, shoot it on
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: ten and then use the other or ten for marketing
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: and use it and get it in a genre that
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: sells without name talent, you know what I mean. So
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: I think it's being creative and trying different things.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: You know, yeah, yeah, and you know what. The whole
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: the idea of college too, just to go back to
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: that real quick, you know, is about education. Like we
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: said about learning skills. You even mentioned you could go
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: onto other crews and stuff like that, other other sets
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: in the area and learn you know, these same skills
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: rather than you know, paying money. I mean, I had
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: a friend of mine he actually went to NYU I
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: think it was or ny Film School and he actually
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: ended up the senior thesis project. And this is where
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: he dropped out and said, you know, what the hell
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: is the point of this? He actually said, they the
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: top like five projects were chosen and then you had
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: to work on that person's project. And he said, so
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna be paying, like, you know, a couple thousand
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: dollars to sit here and hold a boom pole for
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: somebody else, Like what the hell is this?
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: You're better off taking you know, like we said, make
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: it take a thousand to three thousand f fuck film
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: school and go make a feature.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: That's your film.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: School school was a business. They want your money. The
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: university is just a business in general. I feel, to
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: be honest with you, I feel like all school in general,
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: unless it's to be like a doctor or a lawyer
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: and things like that, it's all there in place as
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: a business, you know, and I understand it. You know.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: Some people learn that way, but me personally, I don't
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: learn like that. Like I like to get my hands dirty.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: I like to get in there, you know.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Jake's the same way. We learn by doing, not so
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: much like reading a book, you know.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: You know, maybe that's because we're dropouts and we're not
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: very smart. You know, we learn a different way, you
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, we learned that we learn a lot more
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: now than we we ever have.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: You know, we went to the Tennis Growth Con early
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: this year, we went to we went to the AFM.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: So we're always getting knowledge and trying to find different
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: mentors and things like that, and that's key. It's funny
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: people who have already done it and walk those that path,
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: and then at.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: The same time too, maybe we don't have to follow
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: their path because I think in filmmaking. It's one of
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: those things where if you talk to everybody that's made it,
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: there's usually like a they just it's a different path
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: for the most part. Like you know, they knew a
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: friend of a friend and then they did something, uh,
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: and they directed it and then it got picked up,
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: or you know, they had a script and then like
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: like in Quintin's case, he had a friend that knew
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Harvey Kaitel and they liked the script and he was
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: a writer at first. And so I mean, I think
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: everybody's story is gonna be different, but it's finding your story,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: like how are you gonna make it?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: And the only way, you know, the only way you
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: know that.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: Story is by just going on that journey and figuring
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: it out as you go. I feel, you know, look
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: at what other people have done, take it in for yourself,
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: adjust with it, and see how it can work for you,
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: because nobody can tell you how to do something because
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: you're gonna have their own ways of thinking.
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: I feel, you know, yeah, absolutely, he and you mentioned
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: growth con by the way, so I wanted to ask
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: about your your impressions of growth of the text growth
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: con actually and a side note, I'm actually talking to
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: Grant Cardon to have them call on this podcast. So
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: it's kind of interesting we tie this in. But so
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: you guys went through the tax conference earlier this year,
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: So what were some of your impressions you took away
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: from it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I loved it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: I mean the biggest thing I learned was these guys
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: that make it successfully. They just do it, and they
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: believed in themselves enough and they took some risk and
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: calculated risk and they just went for it. And sometimes
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: you failed, but it was us so much of a
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: failure as it is of a learning curve or that hey,
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: that didn't work, but that worked in it, So let
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: me try that with this, you know. So I mean
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: that's one of the biggest things we learned that I learned.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: And one good thing is too is networking.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, we met a really good connection one of
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: the speakers there, that's that was the only guy that
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: was the TV guy we met there because we just
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: went and took a picture with him, talked to him,
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: and now we've got a direct access to television. So
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: it's just it's just.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Doing being being present, you know, And.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: We put a lot on the line. We spent a
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: lot of money, So I would say, you know, we
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: just went and invested in ourselves.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Same with a FM. We spent a lot of money.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: You know, it's the only way, the only way, and.
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: And and also a FM. What was your impression of that,
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: because I know you mentioned Jason Brubaker, he's a mutual
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: friend of both of ours. Uh, you know, he's actually
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: been on the podcast before as well, but uh, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: know he usually goes to a FM. So what were
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: some of your impressions from this year's AFM.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: You know, I like the AFM.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: It's the old way of doing things to where you
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: you know, you're meeting with fires and you're meeting with
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: filmmakers and things like that, and I think it's great
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: for networking. You know, I met like fifty connections while
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: I was there. I met a lot of buyers. We
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: didn't do any deal. We'd ended up not not doing
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: a deal with some of our stuff. But the point
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: of it was was was getting our feet wet within
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: where we ultimately want to be, and that's as a
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: distributor and studio to you know, be able to produce,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: be able to distribute and be able to get something
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: out there to buyers or whether it's self distribution in
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: whatever way.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: But I love the AFM man learn.
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: And I would say say, if you're not willing to
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: take risks, big risks, then it's gonna be super hard
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: for you. Like we took a big We took a
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: big risk. We went as actually we didn't go as attendees.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: We went as exhibitors.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: So we had like a booth and we had about
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: like six or eight movies that we took with us.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: And just yeah, I just did it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: So like what were some of the did Did you
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: get a lot of feedback on those movies? Yeah?
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: We we we realize what is good, what people want.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, you, so you spend years on this movie,
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: you love this movie. You you just this is your baby,
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: right and you you're like, hey, all right, I'm gonna
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: show you this trailer and you don't telling me. They
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: don't know you made it. You're just like, all right,
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: here it goes. They're like no, no, no, no, no,
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: no no no no no like that. So it's like
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: it's not about how good you think your movie is.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: It's like is there a market for it? Are there
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: people gonna buy it? Are they gonna pick it up?
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: You know it's it's freaking it's it's very eye opening
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: in the way of you are not gonna know exactly
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: what that's. That's why a distributor doesn't know what's gonna work.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: That's why they pick up so many movies because why you.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: Don't realize giving MG's unless there's yeah, they don't Bart
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: Reynolds on it or somebody big.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: They don't know what's gonna hit. And that's why you
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: know when when a buyer walks in, And that's the
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: biggest thing too, as having relationships with the buyers already built,
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So if you don't have
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: these relationships with the buyers, you're walking in kind of
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: cold because now they're just looking at your product and
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: they really don't give a shit about you. It's more
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: about the product anyways. If you have that warmth within
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: they already know you, you can do some deals, you
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: know what I mean. So it was ours more of
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: us just jumping in head first and seeing what we find.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: And uh, you know, there's no right way I feel
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: like to do things. You just got to do what
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: works for you. And that's what we did and learned
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: a lot. Jason Jason was really cool. Got to meet
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: him Tom Malloy, who was kind of a I feel
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: like a mentor to me because I read his book
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: years ago, Bankrolled, which was really good, and.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Duh and Dub I got to meet Dove Simmons.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: So now was the three mentors that before we you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: before we were doing it full time to where we
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: actually got to meet these guys.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: and now back to the show.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: And your respected me because you're going in as a distributor.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: You're going in as an exhibit. Oh you put the
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: you know you spent money. Oh yeah, you you you
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: walk in and just try to get a free pass.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: It's like, get out of here, dude, Like you didn't
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: put you didn't put no money, I mean no more
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: time up.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Like get out of here.
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: You spent big money to be there. Like okay, people
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: take you more serious, And that's the key, Like go
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: all in and show people like I'm serious, even if
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: it's putting up money, even if it's putting in like
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: tons of free time.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: That's what I did when I first started doing video,
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: I did a lot of cheap stuff, a lot of
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: free stuff.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: I'll still do free stuff, and.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: That's what it's about.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: It's about getting and doing and being out there. What's
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: that's a big thing too, is we'll still win win,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: like finding the win win within a situation, like how
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: can this person get what they want and we get
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: what we want and we all work together.
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the win wins in life, right, the win wins
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: in life.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Everybody's trying to take a lot of times too, it's like, no,
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: let's just let's how can.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: We both win?
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: No, sorry Dennis cut you off.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Jake, No, no, you're good.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: Not your followers.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: See if you had anything else to add to that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: Oh no, I know what you mean. Because sometimes when
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: especially when even when I do this like podcast, sometimes
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: I talk to people and they want a pitch to
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: come on the podcast, and it's almost like, well what
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: can I do for them? And I'm like, well, I mean,
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: come on here. They don't even know my name, but
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: my name's in the freaking title of the podcast, Like
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: how the hell do you not know my name is Dave?
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: You know what I mean? And it's like they'll write
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: they won't even say like hey or hello or even
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: though they'll just say like, Yo, I'm the blah blah
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: blah blah, and I'm like, you didn't even say like,
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: hey I enjoy the show or Hey Dave, this is
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: why I want to come on. It's just like just
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: let me bombarde you with how cool I am day
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: and so that I will be like, oh, please come on,
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: please jesus, come on. I mean, it's just you know
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: what I mean, It's just like you have to be
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: a lot more, you know what I mean, Like you
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: just said the win win, because I mean this is
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: a win win this podcast. Because you get something, I
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: get something. We both win and the listeners win too.
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: So you know it's not this whole one sided thing
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: where it's like what's in it for me? And you
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: know it doesn't matter if you get something, you know
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: what I mean.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I totally agree, dude.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta, you gotta both work together.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: It's just working together, man. It's it's just ultimately what
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: it's always been.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: About and will be about.
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: I feel, yeah, especially because I mean, you know, this
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: is networking. You know, people hear on the podcast, they
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: reach out. It happens all the time. And I always
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: encourage people when when when when listeners want to talk
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: to a specific guests, tweet them and tell them something
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: about the episode, send them an email. Some people give
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: out their emails, send them a LinkedIn you a message
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: or whatever the hell Facebook, whatever, Uh, you know social
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: media channels they're on, and just say hey, you know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: I enjoyed the podcast and here's why, here's what I
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: got from it, not just like you know, hey, hey listen,
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: can can you give me this? Or that I had on?
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: And Elvis or it was I always Butcher his name,
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: but who is one of the top producers in the world.
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: He's done Dallas Buyer's Club. He just did Mudbound, which
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: is a you know, up for a ton of awards,
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: and uh, it's on Netflix. And when I had him on,
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: people were asking like, hey, could you could you like
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: introduce us to Kasi in. I'm like, I don't even
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: know who the hell you are, so how would I
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: how would I possibly do this? You know, It's funny
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: because we get that all the time where people are
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: just like, hey, can you do this?
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Could you can do that?
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: It's like, hold on a second. First of all, the
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: first thing you got to learn when you're pitching somebody is,
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: you got to get to know him for a little second.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: You got to have an understanding of who they are.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: There's no reason for somebody else to give up their
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: time unless you find out what the person's looking for
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: in you know, you.
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: Know, And this is why we share a lot of
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: things uh about about business and sales, because that is sales.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: A good book.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: Recommendation for that is how to influence friends and influence people.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: It's about, you know, focused on what you know, who
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: the person is, and don't try to take so much.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: That's all it is.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: It's like this too, Like you know, you're you're hanging out,
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: you meet this girl and the first thing that comes
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: out of your mouth is like, hey, will you go
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: home and sleep with me? You know what I'm saying,
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: Like it just that's not how it works, you know
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying. You've got to you've got to build
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a relationship.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: Every every big connection that we've made and that that
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: worked out good where we took years building slowly, you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: and it's always what can I do for you?
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: How can I help you?
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: And from there it led to you know, different things,
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: and we're still building relationships and you need to ask that.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: You need to ask them what you can do for them.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: That's what I believe.
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like I always say, when you're gonna make
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: a connection, offer value, kill with kindness, and always be professional.
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: And that first one is all for value, which is
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: what can you do for them? And whether it's promotion
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: on social media like just retweeting something, you know what
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: I mean, or even something similar like buying, you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: saying hey, look the movie's coming out. You know, maybe
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: I'll pick up a copy of it, or you know,
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: maybe I'll buy a shirt or again, a retweet costs nothing, right,
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: So it's stuff like that. You know, you're actually building
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: rapport with that person. And when you're doing you know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: face to face meetings at like a networking event, that's
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: the first thing you want to do, is you want
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: to say you talk about their stuff if you're introview,
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean, especially if you're gonna ask
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: that person for something. And when I see people just
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: go up and it's like hey, you know you're hey,
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: it's it's the Jolber Brothers. Hey guys, listen, I'm gonna
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: be making a movie soon. And you know, why don't
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: you guys come on board and this and that. You're like, well,
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: wait a minute, we don't know who the hell you are,
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean? Or asking you for locations
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: or whatever.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: And then they go and then you go, well, what
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: are you fully funded? And they're like, well, no, that's
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: why we came to you. It's like, dude, yeah, but
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: first of all, give us a win win. If you
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: want us to produce your movie, you know, show the cash.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Say hey, I've got fifty grand I want to work
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: with you guys on a movie, which you produce it,
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: then you might have some some some wiggle.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Roam or something something to work with it. We can go, well,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: what are you trying to do?
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: And maybe we can help you out because you know
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: it's fifty thousand. You know, it depends on your script,
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: do you know what I'm saying?
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's also happened to me too, by the way.
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: Is the whole Hey we want to get this funded?
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: And I go, okay, you know well that there has
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: to be something in it for me now, because if
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: I'm going to go and pitch a movie and look
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: for funds and all this other stuff, you know what
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: what's the deal here? And you know, and the cherry
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: on top of this is the fact that I'll tell
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: you a little story is one time I actually had
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: a person come on who I actually know, we met
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: years ago, and he wanted to come on the podcast
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: talk about his latest project and then wanted me to
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: come on board as a producer and and give him
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: my email list and do all this other stuff. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: when I when I said, well, well, what what is
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: my what's the contract for this? And he actually said
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: to me, you want to you want to get paid
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: for that? I'm like, uh, yeah, I would have something
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: involved in this.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: I don't want to.
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: This isn't a charity case.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I agree?
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: What with you? Man?
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: It's as we talk about sort of this crazy stories
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: and stuff, what are some of the crazy stories you
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: guys have about just being pitched?
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: You know, I haven't had anything too crazy pitched wise.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've had people you know that pitch you,
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: but it's just the way they go about it is
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: just totally off. One of the ways that I've pitched
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: and that's worked. The Burt Reynolds movie that I was
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: able to be a part of as a first a
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: d and producer like that connection. Took me two years
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: before I was able to work with that person.
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: And it was more or less of those little things
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: that you do in this beginning, slow baby steps. I'd
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: rather tell them, you know what they I think, you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: worked for us than tell them what what not to do.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I pa on a set and you get
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: a call sheet, and you know, I had bigger dreams
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: of doing bigger thing. So I took the call sheet
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: because there's big producers and stuff on there, and I
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: held on to that call sheet and found out who
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: the producers were and just you know, let my presence
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: be known. Cool, cool movie, did a great job, Everything
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: was awesome.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Was nice meeting you. That was it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: I think like a year later we end up going
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: to the premiere of the movie and saying, oh, hey,
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: you know, I'm Jake and this is Brian, great movie
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: you can did a great job on this. And then
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: another you know, six months ago by and hey, can
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: you tell, you know, take a look at my trailer.
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: I just need some expert advice. You did you did
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: a great job on your last film. It's just a
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: minute and then bow they give you some advice and
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: it's just slowly building over time, you know, and show
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: them that you and in the meantime actually do projects,
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: but still keep you know, it's it's it's doing the
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: projects and keep moving forward, but slowly, you know. Every
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: now and then reach out and say hi, how you
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: been and stuff like that. There's nothing wrong with that,
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: but to just come off with the ass right.
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: Away, it's not gonna.
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: I don't think it'll work unless you're you've already got
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: you know, unless you're.
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: Somebody it's like Gary Ve says, you gotta do the
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: jab jab jab, right hook and uh those jabs are give, give, give,
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: and the right hooks and ask.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: That's the new schooling man. I learned everything from just
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: watching videos like that.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: Like we love guys like that just I mean, because
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: it's like, you know, I never liked reading so much,
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: and I've read books and it's funny, I've read more
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: books when I was out of school than when I
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: did when I was in school. And now I love
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: like I love podcasts, I love videos, Grant and all
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: these guys like because there's something that they're doing that
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: led to their success. And if you can, if you
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: can read between the lines, you know and and and
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: not so much what they're saying, but what are they doing,
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: and then read between the lines of what they're saying,
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: like you can really become successful.
• 50:01
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• 50:07
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• 50:10
  Speaker 6: By following those guides as far as like those guys
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: are your mentors now, you know.
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and mentors through books, and mentors through podcasts, mentors
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: through videos.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: You know, it's a wide wide world now, right, yep.
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: I love it, man, And that's what's great about it
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: because I got people hit me up from like Nigeria
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: and shit like that's crazy to even think of. Like
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: we had these guys, you know, because we're pretty we're
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: down to earth guys, and we had these guys call
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: us from Nigeria FaceTime us and they're like, I'm like
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: holy like, hey, what's up man, They're like, oh, we're
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: from Nigeria.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, holy shit.
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: And we're talking a little bit and there they were
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: just calling to just because I think they were just
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: wanted They seen our lives and they were they were wanting,
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: you know, they want to talk to us on FaceTime.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: And it's like, you know, it's almost like get to
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: the point because they're just like, oh, hosts filming and
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: it's like, well, you know you're calling about something, he
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: just calling a chat.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: You know, it's finding out.
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: But I mean, it's just so cool that we can
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: have people in all these different countries that we're talking to.
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: Like just from our live video, we have a guy
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: Anthony who will probably listen to this. Our buddy Anthony,
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: who we met through Facebook Live and he lives in
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: Australia and he's doing movies out there and he loves
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: the content and we go back and forth, and his
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: buddies were in at the AFM and we were hanging
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: out with his buddies.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: We have a video one of our live videos.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: They're from Australia and it's like wow, like that's to me,
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: that's awesome, and that's just like so different.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: We never had to leave the house to network, you know.
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: So we we went to the AFM, we got noticed
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: about five or a handful of people that seen our
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: lives because the FUGA filmmakers a big, big group, and people.
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: Actually coming in our booth like hey, where's the Jaber
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: Brothers And we're like, we don't even know them, and
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: it's like it's cool to be able to have that
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: already established relationship in a way to where they feel
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: like they know us. And it's like, oh, that's so cool,
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: And that's where the new future of everything is going.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: You don't have to go out and network and fly around.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: You can actually just do it over online, which is
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: so great, you know, And that's what all these these
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: guys are teaching and actually doing.
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: You know. You know when you mentioned that, Uh, the
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: Nigerians who called you. It reminds me because sometimes when
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: when I used to get people coming up to me,
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: no no, no, they didn't call me. They would be
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: those Nigerians that that contact me are usually those princes
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: who want money that I've just sent him money. But uh,
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: but what people usually contact me, they usually want to
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: just go grab coffee somewhere. And about a year or
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: two ago, I actually just fully stopped it. So if
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: I don't know you, when you want to you say hey, Dave,
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: can we grab coffee? The answers ninety nine point nine
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: percent of time gonna be no. The reason being it
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: really becomes like what can I do for them? And
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: I understand that, you know. I you know, I've you know,
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: I do this podcast, and I've done some really cool things.
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: I've worked with Might Shamlan's producer. You know, I did it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: I did it my own TV pilot. I've done this,
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: that and the other thing. But like at the end
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: of the day, though, it's like I I so and
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: I get it, trust me too. You feel like you
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: have so many options you get overwhelmed sometimes. But whenever
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: I go to those things, it always becomes it always
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: feels like what can I do for them? And it's
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: always like they want to pick my brain about stuff,
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: and then they go to this and that, and then
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: they get all downtrodden and I go, I, you know,
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: I just don't. This is why I always have to
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: have screeners of people, you know what I mean, Like
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: I have to be is if you come recommended or
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: something else, I'll talk to you on the phone. But
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: the whole coffee thing in general, I'm like, I'm not
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: traveling thirty minutes, you know, up up to Philly, up
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: to you know, North or whatever Philly just to grab
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: coffee with somebody, you know what I mean. I'd rather
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: just do a scrape chat for five minutes, you know
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: what I mean.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: Right, And they don't and they don't know, you know,
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: they they're like they're in the weeds.
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: They don't see it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: So it's good that that people actually listen to this
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: stuff and trying to get the knowledge to to become better.
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: And that's why we try to preach a lot of
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: this different stuff in marketing and sales and and and
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: really trying to expand filmmaking and show people like you
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: got to open your eyes a little bit further than
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: just filmmaking, because that's where the win I believe is
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: is you know, being able to communicate period communication.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: Because dude, like I've made these mistakes, like I've went
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: up to people straight for the ass, like and it's
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: learning by like going, yeah, that that didn't work out good,
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: you know, and in dissected why did that work out good?
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: H you know, maybe because I'm too blunt. I came
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: off that way, So you got to have an understanding
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: of that. I think that's how we try to talk
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: to talk is like, hey, this is what we've done,
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: this is what we've learned. Hopefully it works for you.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: Some of it may not, some of it may and
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: you know, have at it like we work together. Let's
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: let's make some some fucking magic. Like let's really make
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: some magic to where the new generation has their voice,
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: you know, and they do through Facebook and like podcasts
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: and all this shit.
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: So I would say a good way to just approach anybody,
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: approach yourself. I'm sure approach us. It's just like, hey,
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: I heard your podcast. Awesome, man, the advice was absolutely amazing.
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: If you thought it was amazing, you know, thank you
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: for that, and that's it and leave it, you know,
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: leave it at that at least for you know, a
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks or whatever. Let it, let it marinate,
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: follow them, find out what their interest and what they
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: like and what's the win for them.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, follow up is key too. So if you do
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: reach out to somebody, you know, don't be scouraged if
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: they don't get back to you right away. Like I've
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: I've been contacting this one producer over and over again,
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: you know, every couple of months, just to build that connection.
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: And I think that's key is just stay it, stay present,
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: and when it works out, it will eventually if you
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: stay present enough, because most people want to see if
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: you're willing to put in the work, I feel, because
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: you know, if they had to put in the work,
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: you know, they're not just going to give you their
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: whole email list or their whole world because you're asking
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: for it. It's like, well, dude, like I've spent like
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: eight years of my life building this, Like I can't
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: just give you my the keys to my kingdom work
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: from my building. Like I got to get to know
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: you a little bit, trust you, maybe we work together
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: a little bit, and then now, yeah, this guy's cool,
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: I can trust them with my keys, you know what
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: I'm saying.
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I see exactly what you mean. And uh yeah,
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: you know it's all about you know, building those relationships
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: and also you know, building them, you know, just building
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: the relationships period, you know what I mean. And just
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: you want to want to sort of build it in
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: a in a in the right way. And and again,
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: I mean I think I've done the same thing too.
• 56:51
  Speaker 8: I've been there where I've just asked way too early.
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: And because you jump the gun, you're like, oh crap,
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: I'm never gonna see this person again. WHI should I say?
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: I don't know read my screenplay, so you're kind of
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: oh shit, uh, you know, and and and So if
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: everyone listening, if you took any advice from from either Jake,
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: Brian or myself, please just you know, tweet us and
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: let us know. And uh and so, I mean, guys,
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: we've been talking for about fifty five minutes or so now,
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: So just in closing, is there any anything you you
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: want to say Brian and Jake to sort of put
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: it period this end of this whole conversation.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Go make something, Just make you make it?
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: No, just uh, man, what we're doing? Man, trial and error, dude.
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: We you know, we go do something and you know
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: you just call it a fail.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: You can call it. You know we tried and then
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: you try something else.
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: You know, we're gonna put out this haunted to our
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: show would be a super success.
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: We're gonna do our best, right, We're gonna put everything
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: we have into it and make it happen.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: If it doesn't do very well, fine figure this out.
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: Figure that out.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: So the key is doing figuring it out along the way,
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: and it'll lead up to places you probably didn't expect.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: You might be.
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: I never you know, could never speak in front of people.
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: And you know, but more you do it, it's weird.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: The more you do it, the better you get at it.
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: And I've gotten a lot better. Actually, I can go
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: in front of a crowd now and actually, you know, speak,
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: I still turn super red. I'm red right now. It's
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: just like you know, speaking, But you become better as
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: you do. So that's why I just make your first film.
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: If you're a first time filmmaker, just go make something
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: and then reach out to us and say, hey, guys,
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: I heard your podcast. Great job, and then you know,
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: build that connection with us because we want to get
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: to know you guys, and send us your film if
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: you have it, and don't go straight to the end though,
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: you know, talk to us a little thing and get
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: to know me, and then I would love to look
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: at your stuff, you know, But don't just send it
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: because I don't know you and that's weird and I
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: don't know what I'm looking at.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: So unless unless you're asked to send it.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: You know, there's there's times where we put out calls
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: for scripts or whatever we're looking for on our Facebook page,
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: things like that, So that's when you want to send it.
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: It's knowing when to send it when they're when when
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: the win win is in place. Hey guys, I'm looking
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: for one location script. Oh I got one? Oh really, okay,
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: send it on over. Or Hey guys, I got a
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: movie that's finished. I'd love for you guys to take
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: a look at it. Maybe you can distribute it. Okay, cool,
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: let me look at it. Take a look at it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love this.
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: Let's distribute it. Hey guys, I got a movie. I've
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  Speaker 6: got some money. I want to pay you guys for
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  Speaker 6: your time, put you on as producers and hire you
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  Speaker 6: through your production company. Awesome, let's do it. Maybe we
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  Speaker 6: can come on and work out a deal to where
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  Speaker 6: we distribute it. So it's finding out what they're looking for,
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  Speaker 6: going in for the ass the right time, and staying
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  Speaker 6: present with the follow up.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you have to treat everything like a skill. And
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  Speaker 8: and just that's something I've learned too, is you have
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  Speaker 8: to treat everything like a skill. You know, speaking of
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  Speaker 8: public as a skill. Uh, you know, doing all sorts
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  Speaker 8: of you know, being good at social media as a skill,
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  Speaker 8: all the different skills on the film set. Writing's a skill,
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  Speaker 8: Pitching is a skill.
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  Speaker 8: The more I've learned about this stuff. The more I
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  Speaker 8: realized it's all about if you treat everything like a
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  Speaker 8: skill and you have to get good at it, it
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  Speaker 8: kind of all sort of falls into place, you know
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  Speaker 8: what I mean. They you have to do it to
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  Speaker 8: get good at it, and you just have to do it,
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  Speaker 8: which is, you know, you have to have action, right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: at the end of the day, everything always involves action,
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  Speaker 8: just like a character on a screenplay. Nobody likes a
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  Speaker 8: passive protagonist.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, Yeah, it's all about execution.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 7: If you execute, if you search hard enough, you'll find
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  Speaker 7: what you're looking for. It just you gotta search, you know,
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  Speaker 7: really really hard.
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  Speaker 6: And keep searching. Because like Sean Baker, it took him
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  Speaker 6: what fifteen twenty years I think he said, yep, exactly,
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  Speaker 6: and he wasn't. So now people think, oh, this Sean
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  Speaker 6: Baker guy made it overnight. Well, dude, you don't know.
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  Speaker 6: He's been doing it for fifteen twenty years. But you
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  Speaker 6: may end up like Robert Ariguez who first feature got
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  Speaker 6: some buzz going.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you just never know.
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  Speaker 6: That's why we say just start doing something and be creative.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, excellent, that's excellent. Guys and It's always good to
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  Speaker 8: keep things like that in the perspective because there is
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  Speaker 8: no overnight successes. That's the number one rule. There is
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  Speaker 8: no overnight successes.
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  Speaker 6: Were you talking about? Man?
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  Speaker 8: Hey, guys, where can people find you out online?
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  Speaker 7: Where we stay on Facebook? At job At Brothers and Instagram? Man,
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  Speaker 7: right now, we have a YouTube, but we're more you know,
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  Speaker 7: Facebook and Instagram. Definitely follow us on Facebook and Instagram
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  Speaker 7: ad job At Brothers jayl rt.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then they can check us out at Jobberbrothers
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  Speaker 6: dot com too, and then it has all the social
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  Speaker 6: media sites from there as well.
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  Speaker 8: Guys, Jake Brian, I want to say thank you so
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  Speaker 8: much for coming on.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, thank you Dave Man, thank you for having us
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  Speaker 7: brother appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to thank Dave so much for doing
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  Speaker 2: such a great job on this episode. We want to
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  Speaker 8: Thank you so much for listening to guys. As always,
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  Speaker 8: keep on writing no matter what. I'll talk to you soon.
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