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Patriots Unfiltered 7/26: Training Camp Day 1 Live Show, Defense Stands Out · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: To Patriots Unfiltered. This is a very special edition of
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered because we are live from twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 1: training camp high above the practice fields at Jillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, I'm joined by Paul Parrillo, Mike dus, Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazarre later Tamara Brown, and we're going to be giving
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  Speaker 1: you the entire practice from our vantage point. We'll be
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  Speaker 1: on video until around ten twenty or so, and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll have to go to audio per team rules, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll give you what we see. I see Robert Kraft
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  Speaker 1: walking onto the field right now. The stands are full,
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  Speaker 1: the hill is full. It's a good crowd. For a Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: first day of training camp, and I think we're excited,
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  Speaker 1: fans are excited, and it's great weather. I mean you
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  Speaker 1: could it's idyllic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is how you picture it, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And you had people tweeting last night Jalen Mills
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  Speaker 4: how excited he was, couldn't sleep getting ready to get
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  Speaker 4: out here. So yeah, I think it is a perfect day.
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  Speaker 4: You're right about the crowd, good strong crowd. Looks like
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of enthusiasm out there, and you couldn't
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  Speaker 4: ask for a better day to get started with.
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  Speaker 2: The weather well now, and there were some Patriots unfiltered
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  Speaker 2: fans down there and gave some T shirts away, people
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  Speaker 2: yelling out to deuce, so h thank you to them
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  Speaker 2: for coming down for that. So definitely a hype crowd.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of out there warming them up.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I guess, yeah, providing some insight as you know,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things. Trent Brown is here as we're
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  Speaker 2: taking a sentence early in camp.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales arriving for his first official practice, uh in
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  Speaker 1: training camp. So we're all excited to see the first
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  Speaker 1: round rookie draft pick for the Patriots. Cornerback.
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  Speaker 4: Get a look right there at one of the newer
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  Speaker 4: Patriots just signed Jalen Hurd. Yeah, a wide receiver looking
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  Speaker 4: to you know, come in late, see if you can
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  Speaker 4: catch up and create some depth.
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  Speaker 2: I think they needed some death Paul, and that's you know,
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  Speaker 2: some we talked about. We all, you know, we know
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  Speaker 2: about DeAndre Hopkins and that whole situation. But but they
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  Speaker 2: needed some some additional guys for just for training camp.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's an interesting addition. Poor guy, you know,
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  Speaker 2: has had a lot of injuries, hasn't been able to
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  Speaker 2: you know, stay healthy, but but had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the intangibles and the and the I guess you called
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  Speaker 2: the tangibles the size and uh and the strength that
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  Speaker 2: that you look for so measurable measurables. And there's Juju
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  Speaker 2: Smith Schuster I'm seeing. Yeah, that's the first time we've
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  Speaker 2: seen Juju. He's skipping. He's skipping as if he's off
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  Speaker 2: to see the Wizard. It's uh yeah, a little uh.
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  Speaker 5: But so far.
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  Speaker 2: Marte Mapu in a red jersey something, just to point
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  Speaker 2: out he did go uh what it was undergo so
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  Speaker 2: shoulder surgery, pack surgery. So we're waiting for him eventually
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  Speaker 2: hopefully to get out of that red jersey. And I
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  Speaker 2: mean talk about a guy Evan that was all over
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  Speaker 2: the place in Mini King if you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: read too much into it, but he looks like somebody
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  Speaker 2: who can play a little linebacker, a little safety. We've
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  Speaker 2: seen those kind of guys before, but I think he's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit different maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, excited on the screen right now. Yeah, his roles
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  Speaker 5: is exciting. And it's good that he's not on the
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  Speaker 5: pup list. I was a little worried that he would
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  Speaker 5: start on the pup pulist, but uh, he's out there
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  Speaker 5: red no non con contact.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like nineteen Trace McSorley also in a read no
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  Speaker 2: contact jeers he here as we try to rifle through
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  Speaker 2: all of our tendency rights. Hey, it's training camp for
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  Speaker 2: us to Paul where we're getting back into a get
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  Speaker 2: back into the flow here.
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  Speaker 1: David Andrews and James Farentz some of the other linemen
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  Speaker 1: coming up now.
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  Speaker 2: So it seems like it'll be I want to drone
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  Speaker 2: is flying by, so somebody's got some good footage here,
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  Speaker 2: ramondre Stevenson, And I mean, so far, it seems like
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  Speaker 2: you know, most of the big pieces are here. I
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  Speaker 2: would say one little bit of I'd say an interesting
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  Speaker 2: nugget was number seventy six Calvin Anderson report yesterday that
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  Speaker 2: he's going to start on the non football illness list.
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  Speaker 2: I guess if I'm if I'm saying that correctly. So
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  Speaker 2: he was at left tackle pretty much throughout OTA's and
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  Speaker 2: mini camps. So it's, uh, it puts a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a question, not that they're going to get live
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that with eleven on Eleven's, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: with Trent Brown during OTA is kind of working his
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  Speaker 2: way back into shape. I just I wonder who's going
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  Speaker 2: to be at left tackle here as we as we
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  Speaker 2: kind of get started. Is is Trump Brown going to
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  Speaker 2: be back out there with Calvin Anderson on the shelf? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would expect to see Trent Brown.
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  Speaker 4: You know, at this point, he's he's already one of
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  Speaker 4: the you know, one of the players that's made his
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  Speaker 4: way out there.
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  Speaker 2: I know that we talked a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: About the on the show yesterday about you know, his
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  Speaker 4: social media stuff and what he's trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: My question with him is always about.
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  Speaker 4: His engagement, his level of commitment, and if he's if
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  Speaker 4: he's ready to play. But I don't think there's much
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  Speaker 4: question that he's the most talented tackle they have on
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  Speaker 4: the roster. So I think you got to let him
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  Speaker 4: do something to lose that before you you take it away.
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  Speaker 5: Need him absolutely too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just Robert Kraft walking with David Andrews right now,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what they're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question, Fred.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, see if we can get our MIC's down.
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  Speaker 2: At chasing Hines Trey Nixon. You know it's a Trey
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  Speaker 2: Nixon go ahead of him.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, not to go go super deep on the aster,
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  Speaker 5: but chasing Hines. And Andrews are stupor didn't really see anything.
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  Speaker 2: Now all last year Stuber wasn't. I mean, I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was surprised just to see Stuber at left tackle
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  Speaker 2: during OTAs, where it felt like he'd only played really
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  Speaker 2: right tackle. I believe it at Michigan. So it's just
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  Speaker 2: it kind of illustrates how thin things are at the
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  Speaker 2: along the offensive line right now for these guys. We've
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  Speaker 2: got another big name coming out right now, which is
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  Speaker 2: Mike Kisiki. You're seeing him there, and yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: talk about somebody who probably was the most active offensive piece,
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  Speaker 2: you know in OTAs, I mean, just had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of catches. Seems like he's gonna be a prominent part
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  Speaker 2: of this offense, you know, kind of hopefully upgrading that
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  Speaker 2: spot that they have with John new Smith the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, you know, of the seat of
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  Speaker 2: you know, twenty one twenty two, they never really got
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  Speaker 2: the production out of him. Hoping that Kasiki can you know,
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  Speaker 2: be part of a resurgent there with that second tight
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  Speaker 2: end spot.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see what he looks
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  Speaker 5: like with the pads come on. But he's smooth, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean he can really run right outs and he's
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  Speaker 5: explosive up this scene. So I'm excited. But about good sick.
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  Speaker 2: I like eighty eight two. It looks good. In eighty
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  Speaker 2: eight it's good.
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  Speaker 5: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good number. I like that one, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: You're infatuation with what they're wearing, you know, number ever
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  Speaker 4: seas to it, man, Yeah, I like fashion.
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  Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Football? Fashion? That's me? You
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  Speaker 2: are very stylish. Well see what they get into today,
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  Speaker 2: you think, Paul, what what do they always tend to do?
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  Speaker 2: We always start off camp what is that area.
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  Speaker 6: I guess you're gonna see some red zone.
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  Speaker 1: Red zone Robert Kraft talking a long time video director,
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy d who's run the video for the team for
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  Speaker 1: as long as I can remember, probably thirty years now.
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  Speaker 2: It's who else we got out here? Yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 2: good crowd. It seems like we got the Usually the
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  Speaker 2: way I can tell is by how how much the
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  Speaker 2: line is up here on the second level of the
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  Speaker 2: parking lot, and it's it's getting pretty full down there already,
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's warm, but it's not stifling hot yet,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that's what we're supposed to get at
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  Speaker 4: the end of this the end of this week, I
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  Speaker 4: think there a heat wave is on tap. So today
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  Speaker 4: might be a good day. The first day is always
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  Speaker 4: some of the excitement. We'll see how it goes as
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  Speaker 4: it goes on. When they continue these workouts before they
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  Speaker 4: get in pads, some of those get to be a
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  Speaker 4: little bit groundhog Dayish got.
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  Speaker 2: To knock the rust off, Paul. It's can't just jump
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  Speaker 2: right into hitting. Somebody might might get hurt. Thirty three
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  Speaker 2: thirty three, No, that's the new Anthony.
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  Speaker 5: Jennings new Anthony Jennings and thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Some number changes this year, which Paul will go into
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  Speaker 2: in detail, of course, but I can lay them out.
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  Speaker 2: Bil Pepper's going back to his college.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's Anthony Jennings college number two.
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  Speaker 4: So if you'd like me to tell say and Anthony
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  Speaker 4: Jennings switch to thirty three.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, Paul, You're welcome.
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  Speaker 5: But now Lauren skuy sighting yet we're still right matriculating
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  Speaker 5: onto the field year but we haven't seen and.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety two is sneaking up the backside, but no ninety three.
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  Speaker 4: Brent likes to tell you what what the the the
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  Speaker 4: big boss man is talking about and talking to, Well,
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  Speaker 4: he's right now talking to Trent Brown Robert Kraft. So
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  Speaker 4: you know, we kind of speculated that maybe Trent isn't
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  Speaker 4: thrilled with being paid right tackle money playing left tackle,
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  Speaker 4: maybe saying hey, hey, boss Man about a little something
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  Speaker 4: for the effort.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't really the time for that, Trent. We're about
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  Speaker 2: to kind of it was. It was a brief conversation,
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  Speaker 2: long to put in the.
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  Speaker 1: Effort to get the bonus.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see how much I was sweating on that
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  Speaker 2: Instagram shot whoa, whoa, Wow, I didn't like I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what that was, but I didn't like that. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it at all.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna need you this year.
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  Speaker 2: Where is everybody taking him into? Edgibill Pepper's making his
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  Speaker 2: way out as well here and yeah, well this is uh,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like a pretty light list overall
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  Speaker 2: for the the pup list, kind of a surprise always
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  Speaker 2: right before camp starts. All right, who's not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: able to go? But uh, you know Anderson being being sick. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's really the only big one.
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  Speaker 5: Well not to obviously, when, of course, I think it's
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  Speaker 5: a it's a good thing that team's healthy guys are
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  Speaker 5: out here. Even Juju we didn't see in the spring
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  Speaker 5: much of now he's back out there and healthy and
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  Speaker 5: is ready to go to I haven't seen I was
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  Speaker 5: expecting to see that.
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  Speaker 6: I haven't seen Parker either, did there's still.
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  Speaker 5: Some guys coming. No, no Parker yet.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he ran out so fast we didn't see him
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  Speaker 2: because he's.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, also interesting. I don't know, look too much into it, right,
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  Speaker 5: I think he's putting it on as I'm Christian Zalez
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  Speaker 5: wasn't wearing a practice jersey when he came on, but
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  Speaker 5: I think he's literally putting it on as we speak.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good to know.
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  Speaker 2: Got some vets coming out now with Jonathan Jones, Adrian
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  Speaker 2: Phillips up and there he is. Lawrence Guy is not
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  Speaker 2: holding in Larry Guy.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm wonder if something happened they that hasn't been announced.
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  Speaker 2: Yet, a little something. And of course josh U and
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of eyes on him this year built
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  Speaker 2: on what he did last year.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, Matthew Slater making his way out for his
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and eleventh consecutive camp opener.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, did de Marcus Mitchell come off?
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  Speaker 2: Or I guess he did because there he is. So
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  Speaker 2: that was a brief stay. DeMarcus Mitchell also was which
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  Speaker 2: one was that? What's list was he on?
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  Speaker 5: I I think he was also on one of the
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  Speaker 5: NFL briefly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean this DeMarcus Mitchell, he was on p U
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  Speaker 2: p N. I believe he was n FI. But he's
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  Speaker 2: out the house. I guess he's out. So there's Taekwon
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  Speaker 2: Thornton that's is.
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  Speaker 1: Out there talking with Max Jones right now, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's making the rounds. Yeah, shout out to the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: content team down there shooting videos and getting TikTok's suck up.
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  Speaker 5: I'm still I'm still waiting for Taikwan. I still want
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  Speaker 5: to see Taekwon as much as as possible.
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  Speaker 2: But we saw them on the field, right, We got
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  Speaker 2: them one, get.
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  Speaker 5: Him the ball.
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  Speaker 2: There's Parker and Born, so a lot on those guys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're just waiting for all of those receivers.
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  Speaker 4: And that was one thing that I was sort of
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  Speaker 4: attendance wise, because you know, we talk a lot about
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  Speaker 4: when Gasiki came out, Mike, you talked about how active
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  Speaker 4: he was, and I do think he'll be active, and
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  Speaker 4: I do think they'll use some of the two tight
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  Speaker 4: end sets. But I wonder how much of that we
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  Speaker 4: saw in the spring with by necessity, he really didn't
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of options.
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  Speaker 2: So it's nice to.
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  Speaker 4: See Juju and Parker and Forton Born. Those are the
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  Speaker 4: top four guys theoretically on the roster. They're all out
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  Speaker 4: here ready to go Day one.
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  Speaker 2: Good sign. Well, and as we talked to I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just to catch people up, we use I
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  Speaker 2: mean that they are the top four. I mean after them,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's an NFL catch to be had. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: as much as you need to rely on those top
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  Speaker 2: four guys, I also really want to see one of
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  Speaker 2: these bottom seven guys you mentioned Jalen Heard they just
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  Speaker 2: signed him yesterday. I think there's an opportunity there. You
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  Speaker 2: never really replaced Nelson I the lower spot on the roster.
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  Speaker 2: Not to say that it's always a one for one,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, you do have a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: room there in that room if if one of those
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  Speaker 2: guys pops. I don't think we really saw much Evan,
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  Speaker 2: you know, out of the rookies that we were kind
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  Speaker 2: of hoping maybe to pop, ed Lee surprisingly from u
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  Speaker 2: R I local kid might have been, Probably he might.
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  Speaker 5: I thought they did the most Cunningham honestly, out.
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  Speaker 4: Of that secondary group of receivers. I would have said
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  Speaker 4: ed Lee was the most noticeable in the spring.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh. We'll see how that translates later on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not usually a guy that is Taekwon's eleven.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's out there, he's out there. Yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: told you guys said.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't want to first, okay, but then he came
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  Speaker 2: all right, good.
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  Speaker 5: Lake Cunningham is interesting to me as well. Like I
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  Speaker 5: I I downplayed it when they made the signing, But
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  Speaker 5: would you hate like a wildcat package with him? I
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  Speaker 5: mean he's not playing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean only if Mac is kind of middling and
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  Speaker 2: you need a you need a boost.
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  Speaker 4: But that that's that's why it would indicate that to me.
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  Speaker 4: I I suppose I'm going and need something.
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  Speaker 5: I suppose I just think in shortyarded running situations and
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  Speaker 5: things like, it's such an advantage.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Evan, I'm I'm I'm all for practicing it,
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  Speaker 1: having it ready, and then if you see something advantageous
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  Speaker 1: out there that hey, this is gonna work against what
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  Speaker 1: they're showing us on defense, be ready with it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: all for it. Me too, I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 2: Has anybody seen Matthew Judon?
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  Speaker 4: No, I was just about to ask you guys that
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  Speaker 4: I have not circled Matthew Judon. I have a handful
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  Speaker 4: of guys that I haven't seen that I assume I
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  Speaker 4: just missed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, But I did not have Judon circles.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, they're in the stretching condition. Was yes, he's here,
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  Speaker 1: we're in the stretching portion of practice.
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  Speaker 4: How about thirty nine one?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I got yes, yes, those guys. Then I'm down to
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  Speaker 2: sixty six. Hello sixty six Jordan Highlight.
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  Speaker 5: I did not. I haven't who I have who.
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  Speaker 2: I have listed as one of my camp sleepers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, based on the amount of time he's spent with
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  Speaker 4: Matthew Slater, you know, doing that special teams thing for sure. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: but not a good sign if he's not out here
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  Speaker 4: on Jay one.
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  Speaker 2: No, how about your boy?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I saw him soclec Yeah, eighty seven all right, then.
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  Speaker 4: Nine right, yeah, yes, nine and ninety five I think
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  Speaker 4: are two guys that are sort of hanging and hanging
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  Speaker 4: right now. So he's so good, solid attendance, ready for
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  Speaker 4: the for the opener, as as Evan said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: good to.
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  Speaker 1: Start off healthy, very encouraging.
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  Speaker 2: Some teams don't let and I think I see yes,
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  Speaker 2: I see red, I see red red.
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  Speaker 1: Now I see.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Red and that is Matthew Judon. So that's that's good.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: That would do. That would have gotten the old radar
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: up a little bit. So obviously know Michael and one
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: you he remains on PUP. I didn't see him at
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: all this spring. Now Cody Davis holding right, same thing.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Justice Divide did come off, so we've seen him, so
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: just really I think those two on when you Davis?
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: And then of course as I talked about Calvin Anderson,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: I think of a three. How about Germany out there?
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: Yes, did we see uh Nick Folk six? Because I
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: saw the other specialist, I did see ye six, So
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: I have as we're doing a little bit behind the scenes.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Interesting, it's important to know who's practice has not started.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: No, Cody Davis, when you know Calvin Anderson. Those are
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: the three guys I'm missing.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, So anything new that you can see as you
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: look around the grounds, anything added to the you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I see this, Uh did they always have this corner
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: uh clock in the far corner of the.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've had they've had that for they had at
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It's definitely him in the spring.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, don't ask me about last summer because I
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: would have told you.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: We didn't even do shows.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, but yeah, I was here in the spring, and
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: I think it is relatively new.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Freddie think, yeah, you are correct.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that they started, I
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: think it was I don't know if it was just
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: spring or maybe last year, but no longer. Do we
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: have the video guys up on these cranes. Oh yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: like they did in the past. That's all remotely done.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Now inside the building they have the cameras, but you
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even know it. The cameras that are up there
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: filming practice from different angles, but it's all controlled remotely,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: so you don't see these guys on these cranes that
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: are like waving in the wind anymore. I don't know
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: how they did it.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It's a scary job there. Yeah, well technology, yep, help
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: and everything go figure.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: So that's that's something new in the last couple of years.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: So now we've reached the point where we're here, Like
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: now I'm like, okay, it started. Can we ask can
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: we see some football?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Like that?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You get itchy, like you get to this first step
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: of getting the camp and then you immediately to take
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that next step and start to see some competitive drills.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But we'll probably have to weep.
• 18:04
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• 18:07
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• 18:10
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• 18:13
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• 18:17
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• 18:20
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• 18:32
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• 18:34
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• 18:38
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• 18:53
  Speaker 2: You totally caught me off guard with that. As you transition,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you said, and then Paul will have I thought for
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: sure something like snarky was coming.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: With Bill Belichick.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Actually, we're gonna go and do his shows on his stage.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have a nightly sixty minute variety show with
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: paulas the post.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: That's what I was waiting for, something like that.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Carol Lawrence and Carol Burnette will be his guests his
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: first week. Vicky Lawrence, Oh, Vicky Lawrence. Is there a
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Carol Lawrence?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm sure somewhere Jennifer Lawrence.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Is there a Jennifer there is there is a Ja,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: there is a there's a Johnny Lawrence too, and that's
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: that's a that's a scary one.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So do we ever find sixty six in blue? Let
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: me check for you call, I should say to mac
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Jones and mac grow gonna speak out their practice, so that'll.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Be yeah, we'll have that live. I assume mac rowe
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: will be asked a lot of questions you know on
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the d hop uh interest in Jack Jones and you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: personnel type of questions, So that might be an interesting
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: press conference. Don't know what he's gonna answer, but that'll
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: be mussy.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I got you, Paul sixty six, okay.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: And then of course mac Jones will be live.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if I'll be the one to ask
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Macro the question, but did you want to low ball
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: DeAndre Hopkins or is that just you boss?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Please don't be that person that question that will not
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: be you.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it is what it is, right, it's the team.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: I just really do wonder though, like does he like
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: what is his philosophy? Right, like, what is his opinion
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: on on all opinion?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know whatever.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I think one of the questions that a lot of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: people would want to know is how much does ownership
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: get involved in a situation like that or are you
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: are you left to your own devices? Is it up
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to you guys?
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: You know, because it but also is it Bill or
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: is it right?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to speculate here that I mean,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: based on how my experience things have worked, that if
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you really want a guy, then you go to the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: man with the money and you say, we really want
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: this guy, we want to extend, and you know, then
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the owner it can most probably say if you really
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: want them, you got them. I'm going to guess that
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: they didn't want them that bad, They didn't want them
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: enough to go to the owner and say, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: we need to up this off for a little bit.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I think I think based on what he said, you
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: know what you kind of heard afterwards of what the Patriots,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Greese reported this that they were a
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: little worried if he wasn't. You know, of course a
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: lot of their contracts are incentive later, but he's not
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: on track to meet those incentives. I think that there
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: was worries about are we going to lose the player?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Is the player going to be like unhappy and be
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: it disruption and then you know a whole problem. So
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you know, right or wrong for you know, whatever you believe, Like,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I think that that is what they're getting out there,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of what their hesitation was to, you know, maybe try
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to pony up with that extra money.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Not to lead off on a negative note, because it
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: is a day when a training camp, we should be excited,
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: but the incentives in the contract you make in that
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: bed yourself, like if you are worried about him being
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: unhappy with the fact that he's not on pace with
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: his incentives, and don't tie up all of his money
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: and incentive.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Right, And that was my right. I really think, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: we talked about it before, the whole pecking order, the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: economics of what each player is making in the locker room,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: what effect that has when you bring in a guy
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: like Hopkins, you've already signed Schuster to a number, You've
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: got you know, Parker at a number other players in
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the locker room, what they're making. I think that's important
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to Bill. I think he's aware of it. I think,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, in his mind, he knows what each
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: player should be making on that pecking order. And I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: think they didn't want to disrupt that. I think that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was a big part of it. So like you could
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: justify it with incentives, but to just hand the guy guaranteed,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you know, money, that's like fifteen sixteen. They weren't going
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's I mean, it's it's funny how it
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: works out because in a few weeks we'll be down
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee and we'll get to see them. Yeah, Howkins
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: up close?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: What that reality?
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: You know, are the is there hugs between him and Bill?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Like what is that?
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Yes, you know?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Or is you know, is Hopkins motivated to put on
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: a show at practice and you know, say, hey, this
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: is what you missed out on? Or is he not
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: even dressed? Who knows? You know, it's going to feed
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the narratives one way or another, depending on.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I just feel like he could have helped the Patriots,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and I think he could have stepped in and been
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: the number one receiver. What he does in Tennessee really
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: is very of very little interest to me. He could
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: go there and blow up and be great, or he
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: could get hurt day one a training camp and not
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: play all year. To me, it doesn't change the narrative.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Like I think he could have helped the Patriots.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Have been their number one. Receive him, right, and we'll
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: never know.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Paul is positioning himself. So when people when he doesn't
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: have a good season, people say, see, it's a good
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: thing that inside him.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Right, Oh, no, that could happen. He could, he doesn't.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: If he has a bad season, everybody's gonna say that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: But I don't know what would have happened if you
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: signed here.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Right right? No, I agree, I wanted to sign him.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I mean we got going on here, a bit of
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: a contact between some of the offensive and defensive player
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Others, look like the some of the bigger guys, right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like Moses care is leading it. Who is
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the head of strength and conditioning?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a little different. Haven't seen this
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: look much?
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: This might be Remember in the spring, they were doing
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: those whatever calisthenics or whatever you want to call them.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I wonder if this is a way the big guys
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: are on their own thing. But this is all skill players, quarterbacks,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah type of thing.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: That was Moses in the middle, right, yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Moses in the middle, the middle, knock in the middle.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: What do you think of practice?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Moses then part of the huddle and.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Right too, right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Jack Jones just out there participating like.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: The nothing get used to it. Yeah, probably not going
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: to talk to the media, but I guess we'll We'll
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: just have to see. Yeah, well I would like to
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: talk about it, but I can't.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his next event is August eighteenth, is that correct?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I believe so, and during joint practices with the Packers,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So maybe he's not a part of that trip. Maybe
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: he kind of joins later. But I mean, as we
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: talked about on the show, and I think Evan brought
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: it up, was you know, do you invest time in
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: this guy during training camp, right knowing that you know
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you might not have him? Like I think that there's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: a possibility. I'm sure the Patriots no more than we
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: do as far as what the NFL is thinking about
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: if you know, he might get suspended or anything like that,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: or what the possible outcomes might be from that next
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: court hearing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But well, it'll be interesting to monitor his reps when
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: is he on there, who is he with because because
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that's exactly that point for exactly.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: That's like he was all over the place in OTAs.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, he had a couple of interceptions one day.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, he just he looked crime to have a
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: really good second year as a you know, an outside
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: rotational corner between him, Gonzalez Jonathan Jones. That you had
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: three guys and you know, Mills is kind of now
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: in the middle of that, which I think is a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: valuable thing to have with the uncertainty, you know, so
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: they it just it gave them that really valuable third
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: outside piece to to kind of keep guys fresh, to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: not have to worry about overextending on Gonzalez and putting
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: too much on his plate. So they certainly could use
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the player. And I think that's the biggest bummer of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: all this situation.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: For my money, he was the best player on the
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: field of the spring. Yeah, so at some point you
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: talked about Mills Jonathan Jones. If those guys have to
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: get ready to play outside corner because Jack Jones isn't
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: going to be there, that this is the time to
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: get him ready. You can't throw I mean, look, John
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Jones's played a ton of football. Jalen Mills has played
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: a ton of football. So if you come to them
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: after August eighteenth and you're like, we got to kick
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: you back outside then I don't think it's the end
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: of the world, but you would just like to see,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: especially with Christian Gonzalez being a rookie, him getting acclimated
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: and understanding with the same guys. You want to see
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: some continuity.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Especially with communication being such a thing in the secondary.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: They're spinning, right, that's part of too. I mean, he
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: was probably a key piece of that communication. And you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a defense that spins the dial as much as they
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: do and has guys lining up in different positions, is
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it's it's really vital that everybody's familiar with each other
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and can talk and you know, knows what everything means.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: And yeah, Belichick yesterday his press conference, talked a little
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: bit about that it was on the heels of Jwan
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Bentley and that that whole conversation about the extension. But
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: he mentioned the communication without Devin mccorty and how Bentley
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: is going to take on a little bit more responsibility,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: But he didn't mention anybody in the secondary for who's
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: going to make the checks back there, And that's going
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: to be an interesting thing to see, is that who
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: is that? Is it Adrian Phillips, Is it Kyle Duggar,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Like usually it's not a corner that's making those types
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: of adjustments. But Jonathan Jones certainly has the most experience
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: in the defense, So who's gonna be the one that
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: does that? Because whether his actual physical play was declining
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: or not, over the last couple of years, Devin mccordy
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: had that group on a string ye yeah, every single
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: week and now coverags it extremely valuable.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: So I think Adrian Phillips a really interesting player for
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: me because I think he was such a you know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: kind of a Darling twenty twenty twenty twenty one when
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: he you know, it was such a great fit and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: he was that versatile safety they love and was able
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to do a bunch of things, and you know, I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: think last year the question for me is how much
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: did having to go to special teams? I think when
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Cody Davis got hurt, he took over, you know, a
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: larger amount of special team snaps and it seemed like,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: you know, it looks on paper like he had a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: little bit of a dip as far as safety. Wasn't
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: as productive as a safety. So was that because he
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: was kind of having to do more on special teams
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: or is he kind of a guy that now is
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: on the back end and is maybe maybe fading. I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: would hope that he's still got that ability to play safety,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and if that's the case, I think he could certainly
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: be the guy who's super smart on the back end
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: that can get everybody on the same page. Played a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: high amount, not on a high amount, but a significant
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: amount of free safety snaps last year, so I think
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: he's got a little bit more of that maybe than
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Duggar or Peppers has.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean your guy, Pepper's played better than him
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: down the stretch on defense, more impactful totally on the ball.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: And now you got Marty Mapu. Wherever he ends up playing,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: if it's safety, if it's linebacker, it's probably gonna be
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: at the second level, regardless of what position they truly
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: call him. So that's another guy that could take away
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: reps or snaps from Adrian Phillips. So I love Adrian Phillips.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I think he's a good leader in the locker room.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: I think he's a guy that that's a little bit
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: of a dark horse to be a captain this year potentially, sure,
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: but they've leaned so much into that keeping those types
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: of veteran guys around the last four or five years,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: and I can't see it necessarily being a true cut candidate,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: but it is somebody that you you look at and
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: you say, have a lot of bodies at that spot.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: He's on my surprise list.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: If Josh Bledsoe comes on too, and he ends up
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: being somebody that can factor in, it's.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. That's why it's so interesting. Everything you'll
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: laid out, it's a It seems like it could go
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways with him.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Belichick was spending a little time one on one time
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: with Time Montgomery. Days with the now now he's with
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the offense.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I think Time Montgomery is another guy you talk about
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: wild cards. I mean every practice I've seen Toime Montgomery
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: play in, he's heavily involved. He looks like he knows
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: what he's doing. He looks fast, he catches the ball well.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: When they were running the wide zone stuff a lot
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: last year, he looked the most comfortable to me in it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: He only got him in one game, suffered a couple
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: injuries there toward the end of training camp and into
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the early part of the season that cost him the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: whole season. But you know, it's hard to try to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: like Trumpet a guy who I don't know what is
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a year, seven, year eight, you know, and say, oh,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: he's going to be a breakout guy. But I just
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: can't ignore every time we've watched the practice that he
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: is heavily involved and seems like he's a funny guy.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: He's I think that I would be anyhow, I would
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: be equally sort of not surprised if he is a
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: huge part of the offense or if he's cut like
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: it would not really stun me either way that wide
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: of a gap because of the reason why you just
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: said it's I think it's you have to go back
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: to twenty sixteen for the only time of his career
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: that he had eight hundred script jobs, right, And the
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: reason for that is not because he can't play. It's
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: because he hasn't really been able to stay healthy and
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: remain a part of a team's nucleus on offense. And
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I think we saw that last year. I agree with
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: everything Mike just said. Every practice that we've seen he
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: looks like he knows what he's doing and he looks
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: effective doing what he's supposed to be doing. But you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: unfortunately for him five years, Yeah, it's been a while
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: since he's been really an impact player.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: In the league. Yeah, I'm with you, Paul. I mean,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised either way.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do think that he has the ability,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: and I think it gives I think it gives Belichick
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: and Bill O'Brien a luxury in that he can provide
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: depth at both spots. You know, you don't want a
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: guy who's like your front line guy. Is he like
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: could play you's the one, you know that way, if
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: he's hurt, you'll lose two spots. But if he's like
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the fifth receiver in the third running back, that's kind
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: of a valuable thing to have if you could do
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: those jobs equally effectively.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he Bill O'Brien loves empty so much. He
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: loves to go five wide empty. And now you have
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: a piece in Time Montgomery who can play back, running back,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: or receiver based off of defensive personnel, based off of
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: how they line up, Like all of a sudden, you
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: could motion him back into the backfield and run the ball,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: or you.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Could motion him up.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: We used to see them do that all the time
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: with James White, Shane Veren. You guys like that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Find a matchup out why, right, is he we've talked
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: a little bit about too, the jitterbug, quick slot guy
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: that Bill O'Brien, McDaniels, that they all, they've all really amplified.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: He might be one of the quicker guys on the team.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: So is he somebody that starts running some routes from
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: that number three spot in the slot, the juke routs,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: the option routes over the middle of the field. I
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: think that there's a lot of creativity that you can
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: have with the formations and the flexibility that he gives.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and worth pointing out too. Right now he's warming
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: up with with the wide receivers, so oh yeah, you
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: know he's he's definitely a wide receiver. I just don't
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: know if he could stay healthy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: But my guess right now, you know, day one, I'm
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: going to be on the optimistic side and say that
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: that he a lot of the things they Evan just
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: talked about. He's that's what the plan is, and that's
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: what he's going to open the season doing. Yeah, hopefully
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: he can stay a part of it, because I do
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: think he provides some value there.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Enjoying watching a little bit of juju too. I mean,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: we mentioned he wasn't out there for any OTAs or
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: any camp and you know, having Jacoby Myers established such
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: a level of consistency the last few seasons and you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: wasn't the most explosive, you know, dynamic, Oh my gosh,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you know, blow your mind with all these crazy plays
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: kind of a catch, but he's just consistent there third down,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: got to have it moments. Jacoby came down with plenty
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of those, and tough catches too. So what's that trade
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: off look like? Yeah, going from Kobe to Juju.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can you can see, you can already tell
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that he's going to be that guy in practice that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: kind of brings the energy. Uh. He was over by
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the crowd just before or you know, revving them up
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and they were reacting to him. You know, he's that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: guy that he likes to have fun and so he'll
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: be kind of like that Cam Newton guy dancing and
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: getting his teammates.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: Him and Kendrick Borne.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you need that point, you need that that's the.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Tipping point for the offense. It's Juju and Kasiki going
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: in for Myers and for Johnny. If they can be
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: better than those two guys, then maybe this offense does
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: end up being better than we think.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And how do you guys, what do you guys think
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: with Marcus Jones this year? I mean, what do you
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: how do you think his involvement is going to be
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: in terms of offense defense. I mean, obviously he's gonna
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: probably return punts, that's probably a pretty easy bet. But
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: what do you think they're gonna do with with Marcus Jones.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I think that's another one that's sort of reliant on
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Jack Jones. And back to the conversation that we had
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: at the start when they came out, we were doing
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: attendance because if Jack Jones and Christian Gonzales a year
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: short fire starting corners on the outside, and Jonathan Jones
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: can play in the slot, and now you have some
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: depth with Jalen Mills with the rest of the safeties
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: that we talked about, then there's not really that urgency
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: to have Marcus Jones be a huge part of the secondary.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And I think that frees you up.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I don't think ideally you want to do what you
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: did last year in a couple of games and have
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: him now taking significant snaps in all three faces.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: But I look at Marcus Jones as sort of like
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a specialty player, even at cornerback. I look at him like,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're playing Miami and you need someone
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to just stick with Tyreek Hill, not necessarily you know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: back down passes, but just be hon as much, but
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: just be with him so that when he makes the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: catch there's not a lot of extra yards. I see
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: him playing, you know, being that speed corner that sticks
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: with other guys speed. Obviously he's going to return punts.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I still think that they'll use him from time to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: time on offense, you know, just throw him in there
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: from time to time. But I hope that that's not
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a big role.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: I like the idea of him not having to play
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: a lot of corner rights and then he gets he
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: needs to and he's and he's he's a special Like
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: when you started, I was really on board. How you said,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: like a sort of a specialty at all of them.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not sold on his ability to be a corner
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: now this league. I think he's too small.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, certainly against Matt Collins last year.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: You don't want you don't want him down the edge,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I think he chases fifty. I think he chases a lot,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that's all I mean.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I it's a hard job. I mean that slot corner
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: stuff in that league. I mean it's it's really really hard. Yeah, Like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: and he was a rookie, and you know, I certainly
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: am willing to watch year two jump and see how
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: much more comfortably he looks as a secondary guy.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But he's just never going to be taller than five eights, right.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: I like the idea of him sort of being, oh, yeah,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: we can use him at corner in a pinch if.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You need him. But I don't know, maybe you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Evan's our film guy, but you know, is there a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: role for a guy who you know sticks with your
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: speed guy?
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: And as if he does.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: But as he travels through zones, he gets help in
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the various zones.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, or in you know, more times that the
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: help would come from from man, you know. But like
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: I think that the thing is with him is that
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: he's gonna, to Fred's point, you're gonna match him up
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: against guys you're not. He's not gonna have to go
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: and run outside with T Higgins like in a week
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: to week basis. So if he's in the slot, then
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: if you're playing a team that uses guys that are
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: bigger slot receivers, and he's probably not.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Your slot corner that way exactly.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: But if you're playing guys that have, you know, the
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: quicker slots or the speed slots and those types of things,
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: then I agree with Fred that I think that he
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: can be an effective player there in a lot of ways.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: I think he's got a great, great, maybe the best
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: possible guy to learn from in Jonathan Jones of how
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: to use four three speed and on defense and how
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: to cover guys with your speed being an advantage. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: I think Jonathan Jones a little bit bigger than him,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: but it's not like Jonathan Jones is four or five
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: inches taller. He's I think an inch and a half
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: taller maybe, So I think that it's similar, and I
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: think he's gonna be a defensive player. I think Marcus
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Jones wants to be a corner. I don't think he
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: wants to play receiver. And ideally, it goes back to
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: all the conversations we had all off season about the
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: receiver position, that that's something that you have, it's like
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: a trick play, like that's something you have in your
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: back pocket. If you're relying on Marcus Jones having to
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: be this explosive playmaker for you on offense. It's probably
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: because the other guys aren't making plays.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: I agree, And I don't want to rely on that either,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: just like I don't want to have to rely on
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: a wildcat package with an undrafted rookie year.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you use the wordly and I don't want to.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that tells me that my offense is started.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: But neither I or Evan said rely on it. It's
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: just something that you have, like when you think this
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: could work here, you've practiced it and you're ready to mantics.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: And we don't have to get bogged down it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: But my point is, if your offense is good, you're
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: not looking at some other way to move the ball.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: That's my point.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: I just look at the Cam Newton here and how
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: effective they were in short yardage because the quarterback's legs
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: were a fact. That's that's all that I look at.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, they were a really good red zone rushing
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: team in the Cam Newton. You're as bad as they
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: were in other areas, and they were really good in
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: that area because.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: The quarterback he was effective running the ball.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: No doubt they're playing eleven on eleven right, And I
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: think if you don't have a full back those third
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: and ones, and you're not gonna have a lead blocker
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: to lead the way, it just it allows you in
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: a numbers advantage that you don't normally have with Mac.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: And I think that that can be a factor. Not
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: something that you do, you know, fifteen twenty times a game,
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: but something that you do two or three. If that
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: then that who knows, maybe it can be a factor.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Just a couple of observations here. We got Michael I got,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I got Marty Mapu and Jalen Mills are with the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: safety group warming up, and I have Steve Belichick is
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: is working with the safety group. It seems like he's
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: coaching them up right now. So just a couple little persons.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: They're actually you know, they're down a coach because Brian
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Belichick suffered an injury during the off season, so I
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: don't think he's out there and I don't think he'll
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: be out there. Uh, so you know, they're down a
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: coach there in the in the secondary.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: And I believe Steve. Steve had coached the safeties previously,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: so you know, and.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Then they have Girodd to coach the linebackers for the time.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so probably not a huge, huge deal, but
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: just interesting, certainly with Mills and ma and Mapu kind
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: of getting their early work.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I hate that Maphus with the safeties.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I hate it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: It just it irks my It grinds my gears. Mike, Yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: it grinds my gears. It does.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing. It's a line he's a linebacker.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: Like his hair on fire.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: This team, this team would get Matt Mulano and they
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: would make him a safety. Like it just it drives
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: me nuts, like you finally have somebody that can run
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: sideline to sideline. And when you watch him in college,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: and I know it was against a lower level of competition,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: but when you watch him in college, the kid can hit,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Like he comes downhill at the line of scrimmage and
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: he can blow people up. Like, go watch him at
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl if you don't want to watch him
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: at Sacramento State because you don't think it was good
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: enough football. Like he's coming downhill and blowing up wide
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: zone and all sorts of stuff. Like he's a physical kid.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know why. I mean, look, if he plays
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: box safety and he plays the Adrian Phillips role or
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: the Jabriel Peppers role, And I guess it's semantics like
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: he's playing at the second level either way.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: They're just not going to play him at first, first,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: and second down mostly, you know, on as a linebacker, which.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Troubles me because that's when teams run option football, Like
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: that's when read option comes out. That's when RPO comes out.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: RPO and read option stuff typically is not You're not
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: running that on third and eight. That's what you run
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: on first and ten. So if he's not going to
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: be out there for all three downs, then what you're
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: misusing it? Like, then what's the purpose?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, is there something to be said that Maybe
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: it's about learning the defense from the back end first,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: and you know, maybe it's starting him there for a
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: certain reason and maybe not necessarily closing the book on
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: him potentially moving the linebacker full time.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I just this is my thing. I just I don't
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: think they're gonna play him at the line. I think
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: you're totally right. And one of the biggest problems too,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I feel like is they play so heavy and with
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: that two gap style with no penetration, you know, when
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: teams I feel I can take advantage of that, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I think teams have been taken advantage of it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I mean last year in the Buffalo game here, the
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Bills didn't really run for like six yards of carryer
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: or anything like that, but they were getting four, three,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: four or five at a time just because they were
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: just slowly gradually moving the line at scrimmage and there
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: was no penetration in the backfield. And he's just somebody
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: that we saw it in the spring that when he
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: sees it and he can just come downhill like a
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: missile and he can make plays all over the field,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: and I just want to see him at the second level.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: So I guess it's semantics, like if they end up
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: using him as that box safety, that hybrid linebacker safety
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: position that they have in their defense, then so then whatever,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: if he's not working with the linebackers, and I guess
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: it's fine, But I just I wanted him thinking like
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: a linebacker. I want him out there playing like a linebacker.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Where he starts really isn't as important as where he
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: ends up after the ball snapped, you know. And you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: we talked about big Nickel or whatever you want to
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: call that position. He could still perform those duties, Evan,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: you know, yep, so we'll see, you know, we we
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: have high hopes for him with third round pick.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was one of the darlings of OTAs
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: just because he was you know, like you don't want
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: to get too enamored with what happens without pads or
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: anything like that, but but he just you know, when
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you see these rookies come out here, some rookies look overwhelmed.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Some guys you know, they don't do anything. You like,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: was that guy even out there? But he was one
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: consistently out there getting reps, getting opportunities. And it'll be
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: nice to see when of the Red Jersey comes back
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: because I think, as Evan alluded to, he hit like
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: he puts his shoulder into guys like you wouldn't believe
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: in it. I mean, I know it's a you know,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: FCS level, but he he turned some heads down there
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl, and I think that's probably where
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the Patriots.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, So this first practice, so you know, it'll
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: be more of a walkthrough type practice. There's no pads today,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: not even shells, and they'll slowly ramp up until the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: point where we expect on Monday they will have pads on.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I think you know CBA rules don't allow pads. It's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: not a Patriots thing. Oh, we're not gonna you can't.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Even if Belichick wanted to put pads on day one,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: he couldn't.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: This is part of the acclamation period.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's a good point that you bring up, because
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I know that in recent years there's been I won't
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: say a lot, but there's.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Been some talk among the media, among the talk.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Shows and whatnot about, well, Belichick's lightning up on him
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: as he's getting older. He seems to be camp is easier.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's all by design.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Some of it is. Some of it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: I think that they've sort of.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Try to revolutionize some of their training methods and getting
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: the players off the feet a little bit more. But
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: this early acclamation stuff is CBA mandated. They have to be,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: like Fred said, no pads the first two days, the second,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: the second two days they practice or in shells before
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: they can even start to get into the equipment. And
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: then I think it's something like they can't be in
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: pads more than three days in a row. Every five days.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: You have to have an off day. So I think
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: that what happens once those things start to pile up,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: you know, some of the some of the football experts
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: chime in and tell you Bill's going soft on them.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, has high school followed suit Paul do. Yeah, this
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: high school is stringent about no pads and all that.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: So they, yeah, they can't be in pads for I
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: think the first full week. I think it's six full
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: days on the field without pads. And they do have
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: and I should point out the Patriots and all NFL
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: teams are allowed to do two practices in the day.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: They can't both be padded and they and they are
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: limited to a total of four hours, So they could
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: go two hours in pads if they wanted to go
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: in you know, sort of rehab whatever, watch the film,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: whatever they want to do, and come back out and
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: do two more hours unpadded if they so choose. And
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: I think that they do walk through sort of tempo
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: in the afternoon that's not open to the media, not
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: open to the public on occasion, but just I know
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of people like in my day it was
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: two a day's Well, Fred and I were around when
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: they did two a days at Bryant College. The two
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: practices were never both padded. No one of them was
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: always in pads, and one of them wasn't. Right now,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: back in the day when we used to get to
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: watch both practices and get to get more like I
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: had to.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: There was that morning and afternoon session, and to.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Be honest, a lot of us we would really divide
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: that up, and some of the outlets would just say,
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: can you do me a favor?
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Let me know who died? You know, if if someone dies,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: can you let me know, because they would be writing, Man,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I that's some of my I don't. I guess I
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: call him fond memories. But when I had double sessions.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: My first year of playing football was when I actually
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: discovered the gatorade powder like everyone's had regular gatoraye, but
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the gatorade powder that you mix with waters and art
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: to it. And oh man, I couldn't believe I had
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to go back on the field after that morning practice.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: It was just so hot and get a headache, guzzling
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: neck powdered gatorade like you know, and it's probably way
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: too sweet, not enough water.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: But I never got a good mix with the powdered
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: water to range can I have a little observation.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: They used to give us salt pills.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't get pills with the hydrae. I didn't do.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Does that not make sense?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: It was the worst thing for you. I don't think.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think the scientists want to.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: This is another one of those Paul things that he
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: knows just a little bit about, probably going to get
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: it all wrong.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: But when you are sweating, you need.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: To replace some of that that sodium that you're losing, right,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: That's what was the theory about.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: That was the theory behind salt pills, Like it's.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Not necessarily dehydrated, Like salt's going to dehydrate you. And
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: but obviously you don't want to just be like downing salt.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Like chips when you're at the beach are always something
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: that you know, a.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: Bag of chips, potato chips. Yeah, just to get a little.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Of the sodium in you to replace what you're sweating.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: But go ahead, Evan, I think I know what do
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: we got?
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: What do we got? Anything?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Do you?
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: By looking at his face, I don't think he don't.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: I just a couple of weeks ago I went to
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: max a charity thing with the boys and girls covered
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Y M c A or whatever, and I noticed it then.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: But it's in good shape. It's like he's in really
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: good shape, like low key fit king status different. I
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: think he looked interesting seeing him up close at the
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: at the event. He looks swollen like not.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Just like skinny body change interesting.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: I think that a couple of years ago because I I,
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: you know, it's it's the best shape in my life season, right.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: I think he looks fitter now than he did last year,
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: and that was supposed to be the big you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: mac loss weight. He stopped eating ice cream like that
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: all came last year, last offseason and all his teammates saying,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: oh he lost the gut. I think he's even better shape.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I know if he has you know, his own trainer
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: or is he just going through football.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Just kicking it up as he goes.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: He has his own team, I mean all these quarterbacks too,
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: It's not just him.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: So that was not what I thought you're gonna say.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: But this is an observation that that, you know, we've
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: talked about sometimes certain guys are with you know, the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: top kind of group and right now it's kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: the top offensive weapons. You know, You've got Hunter, Henry Gas,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Sicky Uh, the usual suspects you would expect to be there,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Parker Born Thornton. But also to Mario Davis is the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: is the only rookie here that's with this group. Everybody
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: else is sorry, Douglas Uh is the only one here
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you know with Max, so you know, take from it
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: what you will. Time Montgomery's over there as well with
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Pierre Strong. So those three guys are you know, maybe
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: some names you it might be interested to hear.
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  Speaker 1: Paul Parrillo, Mike dus So, Evan Lazar high above the
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  Speaker 1: practice fields at Patriots training camp. We are live twenty
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: twenty three training camp, and right now Mac is leading
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the skill position players in some red zone drills, doing
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: some passes. Same thing going on on the far side
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: of the field with with Zappi defense is to our left.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing. They're doing the same stuff. Yeah,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: they're doing the same stuff.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: They're preparing defensively from the.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Other side of the ball. But right now, you know
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I heard Evans saying Mac dropping dimes, is that this
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: is the.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Time against times against a If you're not dropping times here,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: you're your probably JV high school team.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: Well, right, but I'm always does look good against its
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: always dropping times.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I'm always interested to see who Belichick is spending his
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: time with and right now he's with Mac in that group.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yep, so Bill O'Brien and then doesn't trust Billy. Oh huh, No,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure where where Joe Judge is at the
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: middle of the field right now. Yeah, see, you know,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I mean we saw a lot of Joe Judge with
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the special teams and you know, now it's it's almost
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: like they're divided, divide it up and you know, Cam
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: a Court's working with with the punters over here, and
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: then I'm not sure who Joe Judge is working with,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: but it looks like some coverage guys. So there's plenty
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: of special teams to go around.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Paul.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think as.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Many coaches as he think, he's involved in everything.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: When you're the assistant head coach and you know, beating
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: his bio and whatnot. Like, I don't think he's just
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: the Special teams coordinate. I think he's involved in a
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: lot of things.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, I would.
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: I'd wonder how many teams have three special teams coaches
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: on staff, Like I don't. Actually, it doesn't really matter
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: how big the staff is, not it counts against the
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: salary cap or something like that to have to have
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: a big staff, but they have three guys now basically
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: exclusively on the practice field at least dedicated after the.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Last year's performance, they might need it. So I you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that do think that special
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: teams plays a role and it's important and you can
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: you can certainly lose games by bad special teams play.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Well, you can you can win them with good special
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: team play too, like they did against the Jets.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a factor. So what do we have now, Well.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: We're moving on to something here and some punting Marcus Jones.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Marcus Jones first special teams periods looks like looks like
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: some shell work with the vice guys on on one
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: field vice and gunners, and on the other field, it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: more of the interior guys lined up doing some some
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: punt simulation and it looks like Barringer and Weightman getting
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: some reps here on the left field, the left side.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now got some hang times. Macus still working
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: with you know, the receivers. He's got the running backs
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: in there too, So it looks like they're doing their
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: short yardage pass plays type of walkthrough with all the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks not just Mac, They're all in the same group
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: in the far side of the field there and in
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field. They've got the special teams,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the starting from you know, how do you
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: start the play? You know, So they've got the not cones,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: but they've got the markers there to make sure that
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the alignment on at the snap is correct. Just just
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's fundamentals, it's breaking it down and building
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: it back up.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: How hard do you think this day is for the players,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Like just the first day out there, not really contact,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: but I mean a guy's in just such good shape
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: now that this is you know, this this day doesn't
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: really have much of an impact. I just remember from
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: playing sports, the first day back, no matter how much
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: shape you were, no matter how you felt, the first day,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: you were exhausted and up and oh yeah, I wonder
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: if it's if it's similar even for today's modern NFL athletes.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, your boy Douglas by the way, taking some of
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: these reps.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: So turning in between Marcus Jones and Miles Bryant.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And we talked about, you know how the intendance was
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: really good and encouraging. Yesterday they had their conditioning run,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and if you hadn't, if you didn't pass your conditioning run,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't be out here right now. So that's a
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: good sign. The guys came not just without injury, but
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: in shape.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Right, And the NFI stuff sometimes is an indication of that.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: And someone did you guys mention there was someone on
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: NFI but immediately came off.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mitchell Mitchell, Yeah, Marcus Mitchell.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: They might have let him take a second shot at it.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: I wonder if he just said, listen, I cramped up,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: can I take it again? Or something like that. Yeah,
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: and he passed at the second time, right.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I saw him walking off the field yesterday. They looked
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: they look pretty tired. But I saw Kyle Vanoy tweeted
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: out that they got a good one. Yeah, they got
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: a good.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: One, so they some James White went on a podcast
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: recently talked about it. But basically it's twenty sixty yards
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: sprints with like a thirty second break at ten.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: And I don't know if they've changed it, but that
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: varies by position, right, and by length.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: So what if most of the varying is how much
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: when I say twenty sixty yard sprints is not just
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: you have to complete it in your all set, you
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: have to do it in a certain amount of time.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Correct, Each one has to be done in a certain
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: amount of time, and they all have to be done
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: in a certain right time.
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: So in other words, your time to rest in between
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: is limited.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, and then Trent Brown's time would be different
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: than yeah time Montgomery.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably totally as different as you would think, which
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: is always surprising with how big those how well those
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: big guys move.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: David Andrews said at his press conference yesterday that a
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: regular person that's in shape would be able to do
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: the offensive line conditioning test. He said, like, if you
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: you know your guy that goes to the gym four
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: or five days a week, like you'd probably be able.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: To four or five days a week. Yeah, that's a lot,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I challenged, not accepted. Duvie. We did have a I
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: was when I was doing the Patriots blog. We have
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: one of the writers. He volunteered to do it and
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: he videotaped himself doing it and uh, yeah, he got sick.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: It was really hard, really yeah. Yeah, to me, it's
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: all about the time.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, there's no rest, like you it's got to
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: like go now, Like today, I couldn't do it at all.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: But absolutely I could have done it, say, ten years ago,
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: but the time would be the issue because I'm slow.
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: I'm very slow. I'm slow afoot.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my problem too. I could do it from
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: like a an endurance standpoint. It's the speed that I
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: couldn't do.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Now today, I couldn't do any any of it endurance
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: speed whatever, nothing, I'd die.
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: That was always my issue. Could I could run for days,
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: but I could only run.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Out one fast one speed. I always wanted to be fast.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: What's it like to be nikon? Oh tell us?
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Just to dust people like, just to know that no
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: one can catch you. I must be nice. So this
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: seems like we're getting maybe something.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Anyway, Wait, a special teams period is wrapping up, so
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: we can go back to watching practice.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: What is that competitive period here? So yeah, let's uh
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: getting an early look here at the defense Lawrence guy
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: back in his usual spot there at the left defensive
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: end position. Yep.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: And as they always do, they they always start in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: that red zone, right, Paul.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is I think looking forward to the question tomorrow, it's.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: Gonna be some run stuff. I twitched the inn do
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: a ton of in the spring.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so remonder in the backfield inside zone.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I don't know.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, this time they they gave ed Lee a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: little little jet sweep.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: I'm still not I still don't know what direction they're
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: going in with the run game. Like, I don't know
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: if they're going back to the Scarneckia McDaniel's power schemes
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: or if they're going to try the zone thing again.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: I I just haven't done enough of it, so I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: haven't I can't really tell where where they're at right now.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Riley Reef at right tackle, guy, I want to right
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: guard in place of Mike.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: We mentioned it at the top, But I also I
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: want to go back to the size of the crowd today.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: It's actually swelled size craff. You look at the stands,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: but then you look down the spine here. I mean
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it is packed with People's good.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: It's good, solid opening day crowd.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: It's worth pointing out too that the stands are one
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: of the hottest places on Earth during this Like there
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: was just no escaping the sun on those seats, So
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I imagine a lot of people are probably more company
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: I got here earlier.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: And I also think the size of that that hill
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: over here that people like to sit.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: On, Fred is kind of shrunk, yeah, in recent years.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: But that's packed.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: No, it's definitely packed. But I'm saying I think that's
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: necessitating a lot of the people standing standing behind.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: If you look, if you look used to be hill area,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: if you look straight down though, where there's a lot
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: of people, a lot of people down there. So I'd say,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: what twenty thirty thousand, that.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Sounds about just kidding, No, but I a good, good,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: solid opening day crowd.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's like three four thousand.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Fred likes to to sort of tell you that there's
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: five thousand every day.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Today. There's a good solid crowd today. Yeah, Hey, first
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: day of KIM. That's what it's about.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Yep. Get those giveaways, eat the food, free parking, non
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: good tape, red zone.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: It's really telling.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know how much I'm supposed to give away,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: but some of the things that they're doing schematically with
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: mac over here. This is what This is what makes
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: me excited about having Bill O'Brien back in the building
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: because it's not just the play designs themselves, but you
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: can see how they like build up to the different
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: creative things that they're going to do with the run
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: game and marrying that to urpo, marrying that to play action,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: and that's sort of what we're seeing now. First it
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: started just inside runs, inside runs. Then they attach the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: pass routes to it, and then they now they're back
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: under center and you can just see the sequencing and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: like sort of the build up of how they're installing
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: and the entire thing, Like.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Everything you're saying right now is like, you know, that's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: what players want. You know, like there's a purpose to it.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: They know what they're doing. We go back to last year,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: you think, like that's what they weren't getting. I feel like,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: you know, they just they what's the plan?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: Like last year it just felt like we talked about
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: it sometimes, you know, during the season it felt like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: how I play Madden where I'm just like grabbing plays
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: right and it just but here you can see, Okay,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: we're gonna do this, and then we're going to add
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: this to it, and then we're gonna add that to it.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: And that's that's how you build up the reps and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: you build up the confidence and and what you're running
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: and the knowledge and what you're running. So it's I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: would have it's so different.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I would have thought that you would have designed your
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: own playbook for Madden.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I think like you're like, No, I got my own
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: playbooks elements that I've pulled from various I did that too,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: But you know.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Not to not to harp on the past. But you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: it's not like Patricia hasn't seen how offenses build up
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: exactly how you're talking. But for some reason it broke down.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: They didn't want it to work. Yeah, they never allowed.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: It to even have a chance.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: And by they, I mean the members of the offense
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: too many of them anyway.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was just a complete breakdown and guys
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: didn't buy in for whatever reason. It was just a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: bad situation.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: And it will be I mean, listen, Bill O'Brien is
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: a good solid offense or coordinator. The stuff that Evans
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: just said will happen. They will have a purpose, and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: they will do a better job of setting things up
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: and understanding sequences than they did last year. I don't
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: think there's much doubt about that. But they have to
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: go out and execute it.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I just think the point more so is just
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: it's the building of the fundamentals and the actual actions
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: that they're going to be using that you start here
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: in stage one on day one, and you really start
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: with the basics and then you build it up and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: build it up and build it up to the more
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: complex stuff. And if you don't, it just felt like
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: last year that they didn't start at square one. That's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: really it. And you know, they you can see, Okay,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: you know this is we're gonna do this, and then
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: we're gonna run this off of it, and then we're
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: gonna run that off of it, but it's not. We
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: don't get to the second and third step in the
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: process until we mastered number one. And those were the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: things that I think they cut corners on last year
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: and that's what affected games well.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, for us, it didn't look that way
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: because they were they were implementing that new scheme. So
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was cutting corners, but it
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: just didn't look the same because they were right right
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: from the get go trying something new and.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: That requires reps, right.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: And it just threw everyone off.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: It never looked right now, it didn't from the second
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: day of training camp on, it never looked right.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: It did not look right, and we saw it like
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: my layman's eyes. I'm I'm no expert, but even I
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: said this, this isn't right. And I, you know, naively
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: thought that they'll get it. You know, it's new for everyone.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Eventually they'll catch on. And they never did. They never did,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, I think at times they reverted back
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: to the old ways and then kept it was just.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: But again, I don't want to It's a new season,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We're starting over, new new offensive coordinator. Uh,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: A lot of wow, a lot of ready, a lot
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: of zone running in that that goal line sequence, a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: lot of enthusiasms inside zone, split mid like they were not.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: That was not pull the guard and come down. He'll
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: let people so that that's interesting. Might get something real
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: going here, as.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Real as you can get in shorts and t shirty
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: in the red zone.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Paul, I'm guessing it's my guess. Yeah, they got tired
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: of working in that red zone. They're gonna start working
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: on this one. I think it'll probably be seven on seven.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: I think the linemen have gone to the inferno.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: So this is the stuff that you're like, do I
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: read too much? Into that.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, the answer to that for every single one of us.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: We did every single day.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, it was Dante's Inferno. Now it's the Yates
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: of Hell.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, good one, Fred Workshop, Where did you just come
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: up with that on the fly?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: I did, Friend's the names guy, Fred's got the names down.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Except for sexual assault with me. That one never started.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to get in trouble.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: It's not Clem's corner.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Clem's corner sounds more like a convenience store.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Right stop. Found a good start.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: I just hope he does that against everybody and not
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: just Mac.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: It's a good stuff for I mean Douger, like like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: I know everybody. You know. The hypdream for Dougger is strong.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: But say why it wasn't a good start.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: It's got to be better. And I just said that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Douger picked off the first.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: I didn't throw it up to seem trying to throw
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: it up to see him think it's sticky. And and
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: Kyle Duggar is wearing him like.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: A yeah, top five defense there you go.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the bright side.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Yep. Max in the shotgun, oh boy, threw.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: Into a defensive team meeting on that right.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales and.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: In coverage, not that we're keeping stats, but oh for
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: two for the offense.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: We are keeping.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: Who was that one intended to?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: I don't even know.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: All I saw was fifty and forty eight.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like into a lot of bloom.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: I think it was, but that's what I was trying to.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: Looked like he came are we forcing to the new
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: guy already? Kendrick Bourne was was wide over.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: So Parker Smith Schuster here in this set with with
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: two tights.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: This is your base package. This is first and ten time.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: Montgomery a little Montgomery off a nice much nice pick
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: by Hunter Henry touched down. That's the way it's drawn up.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: That's the Patriots bread and butter right there. Yeah, see
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: if it's a little James White route right there.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the crowd seems into it.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: You know, Bill talking to Mac a little bit, Well,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: that absolutely has been something today to uh maybe you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: know silence, the you know the one, the one guy
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: who keeps saying that that's an issue.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: That was the to be fair to Greg, that was
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: the most interaction that I've seen Bill and Mack have
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: this entire all up to this point.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: I would agree I just don't think that much of
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: it when you have a you know, we've spent the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: entirety of the offseason talking about how exciting it is
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: to have a real NFL offensive coordinator that you don't
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: have to worry about. And the Bill maybe spends some
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: time elsewhere and is he avoiding Mac?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Is there a thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're going out for dinner anytime soon.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: But I'm not necessarily worried about it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: Was still going out to dinner with Brady, don't I
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: don't think so, certainly not at the end.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: So last in the spring, when Mac wasn't in the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: in the play he was off by himself kind of
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: mentally going through reps. Today he's standing right next to O'Brien,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: you know, so it's a little bit different look for
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Mac here when he's not in the play time.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: Montgomery just makes plays in practice, does make plays two toddies.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: That's what he does. Look at the tuddies. Nice play,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: who is that in coverage? Who was didn't have terrible
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: coverage on the player?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: Was good good throw, good throw, good catch. He was
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: beat but not by not by.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: A ton And he got Zappi with with some rookies
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: and train nicks and still got my company out there though.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: It's now Jack Jones, you know, is out there part
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: of this group here with a bunch of other you
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: know guys that maybe not in the.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: In the back end.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: Good shout out there, you know Rodney Randall.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: He's with Yep, we need to keep our eye.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: Although Phillips was part of that, who was Brad Hawkins
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: I think maybe twenty nine yep. Yeah, So that's a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: group of you know guys that you wouldn't think necessarily
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: a part of the mix that Jack Jones was whipped
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: on that rep.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: And now you got the trace McSorley.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: They're going they're going three plays each, Yeah, and who
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: caught that touchdown?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Fir sure.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: But when when Bill was talking to Mac, what he's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: he's talking about is the ballplace on the scene. If
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: if Mac had thrown it up and you know, basically
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: to that that spot above Kasicki, then Duggar wouldn't have
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: had to play on it. But because he threw tried
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: to throw it a little bit underneath him, that that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: will allowed Dougger to make a play on it.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: It sorely throws one in the ground.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Mac is standing right next to Billy. Oh.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: I mean not not necessarily man on an island. But again,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: it's been reps dapts up Mike Kasiki and I think.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Bro to throw it up here.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, that's my bad, Bro.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: I had you broad lifts perfectly.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: And sixty that's Lumpkin. I got a little eye on Lumpkin.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: He can block. I mean he looks like a tackle.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I know, That's what I thought when I saw sixty
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: five and they're pulling out the tackle eligible.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: They don't. They don't have a blocking tight end like
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: the Hunter Henry and Mikasiki. That's not their thing. And
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: if they're going to carry a third tight end, which
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: I think they probably will.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Firksure really isn't that kind of.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: His farmy knife type. Yeah, I really think if there's
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: one guy that can have a game day roll on
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: first and ten from the one yard line.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: The coverage on the ninth place, the coverage was pretty tight.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: Now that was you know, that's probably the most difficult
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: area for an offense to get the ball into the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: end zone.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: Via the passing game.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: You know, you're absolutely that's why you start real tight,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: real tight, like five yard line and in there, and
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: there's not a lot of room.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: But the defense certainly I could coverage on those plays.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: That's just why I that type of stuff. I just
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: you're running. There's no bells and whistles to any of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: the red zone plays that maybe the little pick flat
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: play was maybe the one that they kind of drew
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: up something, so to speak. But you're you're just throwing
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: your basic concepts at that point, and there's there's really
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: no space.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, and there's also no thread of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: the run, right, you know.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I saw Bill spend some time with Steve Belichick and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: drawed Mayo immediately after that session. Just a good job
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: kind of debrief what um Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Right, Steve's already spinning the dial.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: So we go in the spring back to a little
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: bit more of the special teams work. Third of the game, Paula,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: try telling that to Kansas.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Got to do the I gotta figure out what the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: actual math of that is. What is the actual math
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: of the special teams. It's actually an eighth.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Of the game. If that if you, if you, if
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: you consider the fact that most of the special teams
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: plays are not competitive because they end up being touchbacks.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: It's even less right you have an iron.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: You are you are so right, friend, Yes, so right,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: that's right. You got to establish the run.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: They do that, right, we got we gotta run the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: ball and stop the run.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: Be sound on special teams, Kansas City says, oh man, we're.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Doing it all wrong.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: If you ply enough pressure, even a rock can become
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: a diamond.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: Cool Cameron, all right, Yeah, same kind of deal as
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: the first special teams that they're doing some actual punters
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: on the left field with vice guys and gunners, and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: on the right side kind of more of a simulation
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: with the interior of the protection units, and again same
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: guys returning the punts. Marcus Jones deuces boy Douglas to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Mario Douglas.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Is he becoming my boy? I think I think I'll
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I would take although I think Kevin already called.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: Him, so I've kind of pivoted.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I'm pivoting away from him just on pure appearances.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna keep he little. All the tweets are
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: out about Mac's first passive training camp.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: Intercepted Did they really tweet that out?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: What do you mean? Did they really? Of course, I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: thought we aren't allowed to do that. No, you can
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: because the fans are here. If it's an open to
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: the public practice, you can tweet ther in practice.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: That's a new thing.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I think it is always It's always been that way.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, practice, so you know, you you have different rules
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: than that. I wouldn't do that if I were you.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: You'll hear about it. Yeah, well that'll that'll certainly be
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: out after practice too. I'm sure, Mac, what did you
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: see on that play?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Something tells me that'll be part of like the the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: updates on a hourly basis.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Well, it's I mean, it's it's like everything here, it's uh,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I think everybody wants Kyle Dugger to be
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: the guy who gets the extension and you know, is
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: the next long term leader of the Patriots secondary, I guess, And.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: So let's let's let's let's frame it Duggar boys for
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: big year and first play.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: But I think he's he's got to, he's got to.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: I think the coverage is where he needs to make
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the strides this year. And I mean I certainly had
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: picks last year, and you know it was around the ball,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: but I think there were you know, a couple many
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: too many times that you know, just he didn't have
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: the coverage that he needed. So I think that's where
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: his game needs to take another step this year.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that's the usage. Like, I just don't
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: love him covering tight ends and man coverage. And I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: know you have to use him like that sometimes, I suppose,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: but I would much rather watch him play zone and
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: just play robber rolls or to people sea ball get ball,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: like doesn't make simplify it for him, like just let
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: them ballhawk, let him chase guys down. Like I just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: think sometimes when you you put him in that man
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: coverage role, it limits his playmaking a little bit. But
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: when you add that freedom, he all of a sudden
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: has Oh he's you know, interceptions.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: Like four raiders right, instincts. Instincts and athleticism. These are
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: two things that jump out to me when I when
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: I watch him play.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 6: So to Evan's point, let him showcase that.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, looks like the end of the Special
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Team's portion.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: And this is only what an hour and a half
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: session to day, but yeah.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: This isn't gonna go This probably isn't going to go
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: much longer.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, that's my fast.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: Me.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Back up, where did they come back inside the twenties?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: What do you call that pall? That's the red zone
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: or red zone right right going on? It looks like
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: the eight yard line.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: I call it the money zone. Money zone.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: And we got some we got some old linemen here.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: So again Bill Murray, you know, filling in form when
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: you just interesting drafted what three rookies that could all,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I guess theoretically play right guard.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: But I just got to hope that this is a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: placeholder because they want the rookies to earn the reps
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: and they don't want to just hand one of those
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: guys the job or the camp reps, I guess I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: should say.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: So, this looks like it's eleven on a little bit
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: eleven eleven team, and it looks like Juju's out there
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: for at least the first rep, which is good.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: We haven't realy seen him have, you know, a whole
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: lot to do because of the spring Juju.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: Tall Reek born Hunter Henry.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: So we got.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Eleven and you got Trent Brown. Trent Brown at left tackle.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Trent Strange Andrews, Bill Murray, Robine Reef has been.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: The yeah and Reef has moved on.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Jude On. I think might be in the conditioning fields
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: or maybe rehabbing with something, but wonderful jude On. So
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: you got in his spot and inside you got Peppers
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: and Bentley the linebacker spots.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: To Dugger playing that deep safety in this one.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's Mac Wilson. I get he's three almost picked.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: That was Miles Bryan.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: Taekwon Taekwon.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Love this defense excited.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, you know, I'm I'm not going to.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: Overreact, but yeah, defense all you know, the defense usually
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: starts at a little bit of a higher point.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: It's easier to destroy than create. Evan, that's my.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, I didn't.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: Like that, So this is going to be the issue.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: So that was that was supposed to be an r P.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: But mccatt ain't whole in the flat defender right, Like,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: nobody is worried about him running around the corner. So
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: josh U J just he faked it and josh j
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: was just hearing anywhere like right.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: So Mac had to kind of pull it down, reverse course,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: go the other way and basically threw it away.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're getting Gonzales, Miles Bryant in the slot
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: and Jay Jones, Yeah, and then the back end is
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Pepper's and Doug.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: There you go, Juju over the middle.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: Juju.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: That wasn't his first read though, No, it.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Seemed almost like Mac picked him up late and just
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: kind of checked, kind of checked it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the only way they're really getting getting many completions.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: But it is like it's now you're at the four
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: yard line. This like if you can't run and on
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: these plays, that's really hard to get.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Something or at least the threat of run.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: I don't mean you don't have the ability, right, you're
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: not good enough to run it in. I mean you
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: feel he can't run the ball?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you go some nice one, you go.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Pops out.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: Henry.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: But that looked like that looked like it was supposed
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: to look.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Yep, a cause the little coverage confusions.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: They've been using, these little splits put the like a
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: stack alignment and then that one. KASICKI was more like
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: the inside guy and Henry was, but they broke the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: opposite ways and that that confused the coverage.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Time on company out there now, So Bailey zappy time.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: So so you're continuing what three or four reps, three reps. Yea,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: I got the Feva. Well, I mean, I mean, we
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: know we're watching right now. But if ZAPPI were to
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: throw a bunch of now, that's a good throw right there.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: And a good play.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: Did he get it or think for dropped it?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, he hit him right and bold hands got his
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: hands in there.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: Evan, please because they always yell at me.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: I think it's a.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Drop, but that was a good throw.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: We're not going to see the replay, so I can't
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: tell you, but it looks like a drop.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Zappy suck ups. Oh, I know it was a good throw.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: That was perfect even if it was defended.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was nowhere else to throw it. That's exactly where.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: But I think he put both both hands on it.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the same thing.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: It's just yeah, he looked quick to you a boy, Mike,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: continue with that dog Douglas.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: So do you think that was the same play?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: And it was a different play, But it's the same
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: problem is that thirty three he can just crash down
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: because he's not afraid of Zappy turning the corner on him,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: and it just if you leave that guy unblocked, then
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: the quarterback has to occupy that guy.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: So let's take that page out of the playbook.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: He really likes those side throws too. He was trying
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: to mahomes it there look like it?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, care, I mean there's a time and a place
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: If the guys who high Jalen heard no idea, Oh yeah, like,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: how's the out there already?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Love it?
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: He can't run, he.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: Looks Yeah, he's a talented talented place.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: There's another defensive meeting thrown into.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: You claim that I'm sucking up to Zappi. Yeah right,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: Zabi just threw the ball in the middle of three
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: blue shirts.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: Jalen Herd's issue is not talent. That guy just can't
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: stay healthy. He has had significant injury after significant injury.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: But he's fast, he's big.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: He looks good on the hoof. Yeah, he can run.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: Can you get me this second offensive.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Line here, ro juice, I would be happy to you.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: From left to right if I'm not asking too much.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: It's a so sixty four left tackle and fifty five
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: and left guard.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: There's a little timing, fate, timing rainbow.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: Say that one they looked like they knocked away. I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: think it's Marcus Jones right, so.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: I think it was heinz and McDermott at right guard,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: right tackle and it was stupor.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so, I mean it wasn't a bad pass
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: by Zappy. It was right where it was supposed to be.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: But who was the center defense was right there?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: I couldn't quite see that one. It's ference right now.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: It's sorely in there now.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: It was probably might have been okay, maybe could have
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: been Matthews.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, it sorely completes the pass about two years
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: two yards out of.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: The end zone.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: That one needs to be I think on the other shoulder. Yeah,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: and I think that's one of the ones that Bill.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Will talk about.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, ball placement, see Fred, These uh, these guys won't
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: remember back in the day when when Bill used to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: do the film sessions with us with the media and
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: you showed the difference between Joe Montana and Steve Young,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: that throw right there by Joe Montana would have been
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: perfectly on the outside shoulder.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: Roger Craig would have caught it turned.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Into the end zone.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: With Steve Young, it's in the middle or to the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: inside shoulder, causing a slight hesitation and allowing a linebacker
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: to make a tackle. There's a run play in the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: red zone.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Did he actually do that?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Did Bill say that?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: Did the film?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: The film thing?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they showed the two plays. This is the difference.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: This is why we always thought differently of Steve Young
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: than Joe Montana.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Wasn't just because he was a left to.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: Which I was triumphant, because I always thought Steve Young
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: was one of the most overrated guys of his era.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: That's actually funny because tuas like throwing motion always looks a.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: Little bit like yeah, but if somebody like reversed saw that,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: it looks totally normal, right.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: Totally normal when he throws it right.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is true. Left he is a weird Paul,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, guy. We were meant to be pictures,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: not quarterbacks.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, time out, time out? Bledsoe didn't like the workers disgusted.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: They're already doing these little running back motions though, right,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: like start them out wide, motion them back into the backfield.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: Sean Wade, Yes.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: And he was covering Rally Webb.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: And in his defense Rolly we caught a lot of
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: passes in the springs active.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: In the active defense owning the day so far.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because it feels like the kicking
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: kind of goes on on the side of all these
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: practices and you don't really usually clock all of it.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: It feels like a lot of that competition it's just
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: going to kind of be happening in the background during
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: training camp. I mean, everybody knows the end of practice,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: they'll they'll line it up and we'll see, you know,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: how many they hit. But a lot going on on
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: the side with the kickers.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: Keon White, is it. I can't tell the difference between
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: Keon White and Ronnie Perkins and that bother that booty.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, Perkins I think has a little bit of
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: the white jersey hanging out the bottom.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: That was a pretty. That's the first time I think
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: in a long time I've noticed Ronnie Perkins off the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: ball rushing the quarterback.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: He and always have that like that lighter jersey hanging out.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: That was a pretty. That was a pretty good pass
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: rush there.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Yet, Yeah, he's getting some uh, some kudos from one
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: of the way out of.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: My range ones back end. That's like what kind of
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: so two tight ends.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: Christian Gonzales just outside corner day.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: One fixture with Jonathan Jones outside.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: You know, again for the this is now the third
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: time that they've been out there, and this is the
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: two corners that have started every every one today.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: You know, is that Stevenson andre on Chris Ford, Chris
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: Bard gets the gives up the touchdown.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: I should say that gets the touchdown.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: That was good though that pocket was a little bit
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: muddy and he just kind of stepped up and hit
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: the angle route.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what stood up to me about Mac when
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: we first saw him in those early days of twenty
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: twenty one. It just he always looked comfortable in those
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: early practices, kept his eyes downfield, and you know, I
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't really concerned with the rush as a rookie, which
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: you know was his contrast for me having watched.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Stidham, Yeah, it looked like he was. That's the one
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: thing you see with these young quarterbacks. They just they're
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: not decisive. They pull it down.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: That's a dead play.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: So that was an awesome play by Christian Gonzalez. So
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: they ran like a banjo. So the two inside receivers,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: one ran to the left, one ran to the right,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: and instead of trying to travel or follow them, Miles
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: Brian and Christian Gonzalez just switched and when that was seamless,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: like Christian Gonzalez had it perfectly, Like I expect Miles
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: Brian to know what to do, but like Christian Gonzalez
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: doing that right away is a really good signing. Miles
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: Brian dapped him up after that, like as day one rookie. Like,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: that's a hard art assignment to get down.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you watched the coverage because I watched the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: blitz from the top with peppers and he got there
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: effortlessly and toasted on that one would have been a
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: strip sack. But that's where the coverage needs to be
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: there because there's a chance. Now that happened really fast,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: so I don't know if he could, but there's a
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: chance that Okay, we know this guy's coming, he's going
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: to be unblocked. I got to get it out immediately.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: And if they're not doing what Evan just said, you
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: know you're able to get the pass off anyway. Despite
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: the blitz working.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: That just hit Hunter Henry in the back.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: He just got burned in the next place.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's got shook at the top of the rout
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: and rookie rookies. Nice little hesitation move by by Hunter
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: Henry to get loose for Mac here.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: That had no chance.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: But that one was a good throw, Like throw it
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: high to the outside, it's going to be incomplete or
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: or his guy's going to make.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: A great catch.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: All right, not bad, you know, I as opposed to
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: the last time when we were talking about the one
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: that Dougger undercut. Now this is a different route. This
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: is a fade to the outside. But didn't throw it
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: low where it could get in trouble.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Paul, it looks like fifty three Jake Andrews will be
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: your second center, So you think he was probably out
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: there before.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: I okay, a little bit better that. Yeah, that go
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: around I thought from Mac.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. We'll wait till the end
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: to make anything definitive about Oh nice cat.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't the greatest pass.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Now they had a lot I'll tell you, it's just
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of blue jerseys around.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: The ball that Matt Circle would have gotten blown up
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: if you could have hit him. They all went for
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: the ball because you can't hit anybody.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: So so second group we got, yeah, Jack Jones and
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, Christian Barmore, Daniel Quale, Anthony Jennings. It looks
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: like Ke and White still getting some But see now
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: this is kind of where I thought more where we
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: see White, and I do believe that is Key on
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: White but kind of playing more of the Detrich Why's
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: hand down right? Defensive time?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: Montgomery three tds?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Who can it?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Someone tell me who the guy is on the sideline
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: with the blue polo shirt, white hair. He's on the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: defensive sideline. He's got like a pad of paper in
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: front of him.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: To the looks like he's record for the Daily Bugle.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, who is this guy?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I saw him earlier taking pictures with his camera phone
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: from the gates of the Yates of Hell.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if he's someone they brought in, uh to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: kind of help with the defense. I don't know.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: He's on the defensive side.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's He's on the about the twelve thirteen yard
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 6: line on our side.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: I got yeah, I got you.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: He's got a shorts and a polo blue polo, and
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: he has a pad of paper in his hand.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I see a notebook.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Of some sort.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: He could be one of the from the referee.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it could be for NFL p A.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be an observer or something. Yeah against Yeah, oh.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Nothing there for Zappy trying to connect with Mario.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting to see if some of these
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: moving pocket things that they have been doing, those edge
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: defenders are just all over the quarterbacks. You know, it's
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: day one, but so those are things I don't know.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: For a couple of weeks ago, they on NFL Network
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: they were playing some highlights of Max Crosby and do
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: you remember the play? It gets forgotten because of all
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: the nonsense that happened with the lateral and everything, but
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: Patriots were up by a touchdown and had the ball.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: You're talking about the third down play where they try
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: to run a naked boot.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, and it worked. Yeah, and it worked.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: It fooled everybody, and Max Crosby so easily ran down
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: Mac Jones ten yards short of the first down and
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: it didn't matter.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: That's the kind of stuff that I'm thinking about. Like
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: to Fred's point, I know, Fred, you will.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: Being a little tongue in cheek when you're like, maybe
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: we want to put that one away. Maybe they want
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: to put that one away. I don't really think there
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: were a lot of edge guys that are going to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: be bothered by that, even when they get tricked.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I just remember Scar talking about it with Brady
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: and he said that, you know, they were taught. It
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: was last year when all the wide zone stuff was
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: going on. In that conversation and he was like, look,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: we didn't really feature that as much in our offense
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: because Brady wasn't very good on the bootlegs and if
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: you can't run boot off of it. I remember Dante
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: said that it's really you know, that's really what you're
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: trying to get to is the play action with the bootlegs,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: you know, the Shanahan stuff, And if you don't have
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: a quarterback that throws well on the move or as
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: an athlete on the move, then it's really not as
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: effective as it is if you have somebody that can
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: run around a little bit. So they just didn't do
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: it because Brady wasn't comfortable throwing off the bootlegs. So
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: I agree. I think it's something that we've seen a
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: little bit of today that that maybe we see a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: little bit that was This was always the reason.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: Why I didn't really buy Kyle Shanahan want Mac Jones
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: of three overall, like that's that's not a scam. Yeah,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Johnny Lumpkin can't hold on. I do believe that last
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: play though, was makes it for TDS for time on
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: Comy today.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: So Montgomery's on fire.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: I always like when you set something up at the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: top of the show and then lo and behold book
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: what happened?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Will anyone dare right today? Offense struggling under Bill O'Brien.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, somebody will, somebody will.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: I mean I think they could finish the season with
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: less points than he did last year, or no one.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Will write that. Yeah, I mean, I I just remember
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: last year it was all you know, contested catches in
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: these drules and it hasn't been great missing out on
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Hopkins dooms offense. But I think they made a couple
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: of plays and you know this, Max had a couple
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: of throws. But you know, first day of camp, I
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: don't think it's it's as concerning as last year.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: It was kind of Yeah, I mean the couple throws
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: at me to Hunter Henry and the little ankle route
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: Urmandre like that stuff. You're gonna have in your in
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: your in your bag, and I thought like, just just as.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: A refresher, I sort of went over the stuff that
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: we were writing last year early and the very first
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: day was okay, yeah, it was beyond that that. It's
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: like they never had a good day again. And it
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: wasn't even red zones. It was stuff in the middle
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: of the field.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, it was that stuff that just did
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: like no.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm talking about when we said this doesn't
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: look right. Oh, it was it was everything with every
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: stuff in the middle of the field.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, field goals. Might this be the end? Yeah?
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: This is probably about this from the well.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: We should be noting who's kicking.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: It's the eighteen yard line, Nick Middle. For Nick Folk,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: everybody on a twenty eight yarder from the middle, snap down,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: kick up, ain't true? Good, back them up, increase the voltage.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Here we go. It looks like this one's gonna be
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: about the twenty nines, about thirty nine yards. Also, Nick Folk,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: this is meanwhile, you've got a shadow with the rookie
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: Ryland kind of running, not kicking it, but snapping it
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: and ate from the right hash it looks good to me,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: looked good interesting. Is it interesting though? That? No, that's
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: fifty nine right. So Dietrich wise very enthusiastically signaling good
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: at that kick. That's what he likes to do. So
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Baringer is holding twenty words. Baringer is holding for Folk
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: while Weightman is.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: You know, they're kind of doing thirty eight from the
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: left hash and you said Barunger has been the holding.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Does that give him a leg up on the punting? Uh?
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's uh, you know those little observations
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: weightments holding on the other side for Ryland is there,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: I guess just kind of listening to drive running at
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: the call as well.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna meander our way out now.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: Thirty five, six, seven, eight, forty eight yards going in
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: ten yard increments today, snap his down right, hash.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Snap down, wall down, kick us up.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: In plenty of leg.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: You know you're oh there you go, Thank you, Ditrich,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: Hey you do it again. Yep, appreciate you.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: That's an extra large in that Arkansas man quarter.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: Zip. He's just that you promising me for four years.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Moved to the other hash.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, still from the forty eight from the left
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: hash and this one.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Look good.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Did not see anybody signal on that one, Dietrick Wis
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: has got the two up. I don't know, okay. I
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: wonder though, because it looks a little bit more celebratory
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: than necessarily, like, you know, you need tight signals as
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: a referee toy thing. I'm a referee, you know.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Back to the other hash now still at thirty uh,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: still at the thirty eight so forty eight yards huh.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: That's funny sticking it for forty eight. Oh, it's a
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: fun That's why it was funny. That's why it was funny.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: We got problems.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: The holder, this Bryce Barrener. Yeah, and he has wheels.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: I've seen that.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: Did he run out the combine? I feel like he did.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: That's Matthew Showalter.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: For those of you that like those Thanksgiving announcing clips
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: on ninety eight five, the sports go.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Man, you go, man, you go.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna get our boy Rylan a chance or.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: Maybe another day, maybe another day.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: It's like a caged animal. He's getting ready to get
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: How do you guys feel about that? You think there's
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: any chance that Folk is the kicker and Ryland.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Is the kick off guy?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: I hope not. You know, I've roster spot on two kickers.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 6: I hope not too.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: I do wonder if look, they love to play those
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: games with the fifty three, And I do wonder if
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: both guys make it initially just to try to sneak
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: toract this squad.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Can you put folk on the practice squad?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: That's probably they could get because you know, with waivers,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: it's like they're going.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: To do some conditioning.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: Run here, yeah, this is it, This is it?
• 1:39:45
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