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The Death of Dag Hammarskjold · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Adam Todd Brown, I'm Laura Crawford.
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  Speaker 1: You're a host? Hosting is the thing we do the most? Sure?
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  Speaker 2: That rhyme?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, that was my musical interlude.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty good. How have you been, Laura?
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  Speaker 1: Really lonely?
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm twenty twenty is going and really going ahead
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  Speaker 1: for me in many ways in life, living a healthier,
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  Speaker 1: better life than on paper that I can tell my
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  Speaker 1: parents about.
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  Speaker 2: Good. Oh yeah, that's good? Is that? I mean? You know,
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  Speaker 2: is is that why you don't have cigarettes? You're trying
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  Speaker 2: to be healthier.
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  Speaker 1: To an extent? Yeah? Sure. I mean it's like you
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  Speaker 1: could be like having a lot of things popping off
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  Speaker 1: in your life, but you wouldn't want to tie to
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  Speaker 1: your parents about You'd be like, I amn't getting rail
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  Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like and doing rails all the time,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, you'd being all debouched or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: A good parent would just guess yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My mind, but not. I mean, I met professional success
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  Speaker 1: taking my health into my own. Two pause, doing good things. Great.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am fine, I'm very tired. We're recording this late
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  Speaker 2: at night.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, anyway, we're off to Africa, Africa, Mother Africa.
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  Speaker 1: So this documentary that we're talking about this week.
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  Speaker 2: We're for one. I'm glad to be back to talking
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  Speaker 2: about something that I believe is probably true in some ways.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's fun. After we did the Kobe Bryant thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: me and Fizza did an episode about the Wuhan coronavirus conspiracies,
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  Speaker 2: which are all pretty silly also. But now we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about a documentary called Cold Case.
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  Speaker 1: Homer Scold Homer, Shold Hommer Shoald Homer Homer. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like every many of the people talking in this movie
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  Speaker 1: are either very old or not native speakers of the
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  Speaker 1: langue of Swedish. So uh, everyone has just baby like
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  Speaker 1: how much?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, it covers a comma should it covers a
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  Speaker 2: thing that happened in nineteen sixty one, so the people
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  Speaker 2: involved are going to be We're lucky any of these
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  Speaker 2: motherfuckers are alive.
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  Speaker 1: They do stay in it the main fella. He says,
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  Speaker 1: it is a conspiracy theory for senior citizens. Yes, how
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  Speaker 1: it is described, does that get you hot conspiracy theorists,
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  Speaker 1: who I love it when you appeal to the alderly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is a wild one though in it.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't your gen Z flat earthers with your fidget
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  Speaker 1: spinners is for the old people. Yeah, but it is
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  Speaker 1: a weird one.
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  Speaker 2: It's a I fucking believe it. Like there's at least
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  Speaker 2: one aspect of it that I definitely believe. I mean
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  Speaker 2: I kind of believe all of it. I just don't
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  Speaker 2: know how effective all of it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're saying, and it is nice
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  Speaker 1: in opposition the Kobe Bryant thing. People making this are
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  Speaker 1: not doing it to get more Instagram followers, right, There
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  Speaker 1: are people that have been they're doing it for credible reason.
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  Speaker 2: Working on this theory for decades, which that always kind
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  Speaker 2: of does it for me. When there's like when there's
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  Speaker 2: that aspect where there's like one guy who's just like no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: fuck you, I'm right. Everyone else is wrong that I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, Like I like that Loan juror, I like
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  Speaker 2: mentality that one person who's like, this motherfucker is not
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  Speaker 2: guilty and I Am not going to convict them. Like
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  Speaker 2: that's that's that's an attitude I can get behind you.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I like about it from the point
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  Speaker 1: of view of a of a thing you do with
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  Speaker 1: your free time. You know, like I, You and I
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  Speaker 1: both have pursued stand up comedy. Yeah me, I pursued
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  Speaker 1: standup for like ten years, and I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: feel the feeling for my family is like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: why are you doing this? You're getting nowhere? What are
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  Speaker 1: they paying you? What are you doing for this? And
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  Speaker 1: you know they're coming down on me at least like
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  Speaker 1: compared to me that guy. Imagine that guy talking to people,
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  Speaker 1: So what are you doing? You're investigating this? Anyone else
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  Speaker 1: looking into it?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Have they done anything with what you're doing?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: And it's like human these people must get that shit
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  Speaker 1: so much more so I'm like, oh man, I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: amazing compared to them. Yeah, to talk about so that's
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  Speaker 1: even less rewarded. That opened my comedy, which would be
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  Speaker 1: like independently investigating cold cases that no one has any
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  Speaker 1: interest in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think people have interest in this.
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  Speaker 1: Emil. Yes, certainly. I mean we should seed more recent years. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the cold case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should upon us, we should fill people in
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  Speaker 2: at least on that part. The theory centers around the
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  Speaker 2: death of a guy named dog Homer Should, who was
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  Speaker 2: the Secretary General of the UN from I put it
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  Speaker 2: in the note.
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  Speaker 1: And he's he's at the time where the UN is
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  Speaker 1: baby UN, Yeah, stilling its role in the world, on
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  Speaker 1: the global stage, and what it's what kind of action
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  Speaker 1: it would be able to take, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen fifty three is when Dog Hommer Should takes
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  Speaker 2: over as Secretary General of the UN and he died
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty one. And that's what this documentary is
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  Speaker 2: based around, is the death of Dog Hommer Should and
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  Speaker 2: the contention that maybe he was murdered as opposed to
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  Speaker 2: having died by natural plane crash causes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so we are beginning this. It's very sort of
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  Speaker 1: vague as to who who were looking at because it
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  Speaker 1: is not really apparent if there's the narrator, is he
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  Speaker 1: an actor, is he an investigator? You kind of don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Is he a host? Right, that's very sort of mysterious,
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  Speaker 1: And then it's beautiful Sympatography's amazing. They're clearly an Africa somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Man's wearing all white.
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  Speaker 2: It's a weird documentary in the way it's presented, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It's very mysterious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's basically it's the filmmaker we eventually find out
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  Speaker 2: who is. The first shot is him basically dictating the
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  Speaker 2: scenes from this documentary to a secretary in the room
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  Speaker 2: who's on an old timey typewriter.
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  Speaker 1: Two two women, Yeah, two different women and two different women.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it gets a bit even more confused than that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think this is a good documentary technique. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of many documentaries like Louis Theroux's My Scientology
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  Speaker 1: film you know, where he casts actors to play David
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  Speaker 1: Muscavage in the recreat scene. So I think filmmakers are
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  Speaker 1: It's a very interesting take on the form of documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Now people are obviously experimenting a lot more with how
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  Speaker 1: to tell a narrative story or how to begin, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to introduce people to an investigation of some kind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a cool one.
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  Speaker 1: It's cool shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it carries on throughout the whole movie. And
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  Speaker 2: the guy he's he's not annoying, which is a pit
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  Speaker 2: fall the filmmaker. Yes, is not a lot of documentary
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  Speaker 2: filmmakers like for a documentary to work. If the filmmaker
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  Speaker 2: is not likable, they cannot be in the documentary. And
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  Speaker 2: sometimes an unlikable filmmaker or will make their way into
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  Speaker 2: their own documentary and it's a fucking nightmare. But this
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  Speaker 2: guy seems cool.
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  Speaker 1: He's more Morgan Spurlock than Michael Moore, right right? And
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  Speaker 1: what's his name? Why didn't I put these like in mags?
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  Speaker 2: Mad Mads? It's Mad?
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  Speaker 1: Mad's Mad? Sorry?
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  Speaker 2: But what's his last name?
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  Speaker 1: I'm god, I'm sorry, Like, why.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't I put ship like this at the beginning?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you're tired. It's like Mad's born Doll. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: Goran Bordal. Mad's Bruger. Sorry, I am in Stone diypologist.
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  Speaker 1: Mad's Bruger. Which who's the fucking dude? He's a die
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  Speaker 1: Hard is the villain and Diehard So.
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  Speaker 2: Think Bruger Uh Hans Scruber Gruber, I think so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So Mad's Bruger, not the villain, Bruger not the
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  Speaker 1: same as Grueber, not a vice reporter.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's I looked him up. He's a Danish TV
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  Speaker 2: personality trending.
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  Speaker 1: He looks like a guy from Vice, but he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: sound like a Vice reporter. He looks like the most
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  Speaker 1: important thing.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like if the two people in the Eurhythmics
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  Speaker 2: formed into one person. Yeah, and like Annie Lennox's hair
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  Speaker 2: went down to that dude's chin.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, he looked like a mobi went to prison.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, prison mobile.
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  Speaker 1: Prison mobe from Denmark.
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  Speaker 2: But he seems to have a fun personality.
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  Speaker 1: Good filmmaking, great voice, pretty good prisons on screen, likable
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  Speaker 1: screen prison. So we give it to him. I'm already like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, what's his motherfucker up to? Why does he
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  Speaker 1: give a fuck about Dog Hummer should? Yeah, and it
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  Speaker 1: it right away.
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  Speaker 2: They get into the circumstances surrounding Dog Hommer should, And
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  Speaker 2: basically what happens is he takes over as Secretary General
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  Speaker 2: of the UN in nineteen fifty three. And this is
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  Speaker 2: around the time when all of the old colonial powers,
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  Speaker 2: like especially England, were just kind of losing control of
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  Speaker 2: the their colonies.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I think Kenya got liberated in forties or fifties,
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  Speaker 1: Jamaica around that time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were all.
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  Speaker 1: Britain was losing a lot of the big that they
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  Speaker 1: still had Rhodesia.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean they still had some, but no,
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  Speaker 2: definitely they it's it's around that time and he takes
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  Speaker 2: over as Secretary General of the UN and immediately decides that, look,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to start being good to Africa. You're not.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to go in and just fucking raid
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  Speaker 2: Africa of all its resources for your own national interest, right,
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  Speaker 2: And those old colonial powers were like, yeah, we are
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  Speaker 2: watch us exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. To say that we're not going to be major
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  Speaker 1: players it's in Africa or control who gets to what
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  Speaker 1: kind of position is just not That's not the thing, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: not the thing, right. Hamashold Also, funny enough, he was
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  Speaker 1: awarded a Posamous Novel Peace Prize. That makes sense, and
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  Speaker 1: he was the youngest ever UN Secretary General of forty
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  Speaker 1: seven at that time. So Hamershold is hanging out in
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  Speaker 1: Africa because the Congo is on the news every night.
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  Speaker 1: These world leaders are not happy. The US is not happy,
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  Speaker 1: Britain is not happy. They are not happy with how
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  Speaker 1: things are going in the Congo. Right, they are rip
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  Speaker 1: shit and they're rippedhit at Homershold because there's some military
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  Speaker 1: action in UN soldiers got killed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's happening at the time is there is this
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  Speaker 2: area that had basically broken away from the Congo, yes
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  Speaker 2: called Katanga, and Katanga or Katanga I think it was.
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  Speaker 2: Katanga and the Congo are basically at war, and Dog
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  Speaker 2: Hommer Should to end this war basically sends UN troops
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  Speaker 2: in basically to fight against the Katanga separatists. What he
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  Speaker 2: may or may not have known is that a Belgian
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  Speaker 2: oil company basically installed that government in Katonga for the
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  Speaker 2: sole purpose of them separating from the Congo, so then
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  Speaker 2: that oil company could go in and take the oil
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  Speaker 2: in that area. And he sent Dog Hommer should sends
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  Speaker 2: in UN troops to try and break up that conflict,
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  Speaker 2: and he fucking loses. Like you said, this is baby
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  Speaker 2: un So he sends them in and we fucking lose.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what he's flying to Zambia. That's where he
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  Speaker 2: was flying to when he crashed.
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  Speaker 1: Somerschold had made four separate trips to Congo, but everyone, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: even the city, he was pissed with how he was
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  Speaker 1: doing in the Congo, so they denounced his decision to
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  Speaker 1: send the UN Emergency Force and to keep the peace.
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  Speaker 1: They demanded his resignation in the replacement of the office
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  Speaker 1: of Secretary General by a three man directorate with a
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  Speaker 1: built in veto. And so basically they were like he
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  Speaker 1: his actions were so disappointing to everyone that they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do away with his whole job. That's how much
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  Speaker 1: he was fucking up in these people's opinions. And so
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  Speaker 1: basically the Soviets considered that his efforts of decolonization had
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  Speaker 1: not been sufficient un I mean sorry, the UK and
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  Speaker 1: the US were pissed because there's too much decolonization, right,
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  Speaker 1: So he was making everyone angry.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and go Dan Belgian oil company. That all comes
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  Speaker 2: to a head when he makes this flight. He's on
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  Speaker 2: his way to try and negotiate peace, yes, in this conflict,
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't go well. His plane crashes and he
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  Speaker 2: dies fucking died, Laura yep.
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  Speaker 1: So he died all but one of the sixteen passengers,
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  Speaker 1: and that other one died a few days later from injuries.
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  Speaker 1: And there was no real line of the session within
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  Speaker 1: the succession within the UN as to who would be
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  Speaker 1: takeover his role in the Security Council had to vote
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  Speaker 1: on somebody I guess it was just so everyone in
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  Speaker 1: the international was like, Oh my god, who would have
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  Speaker 1: thought this would have ever happened?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And he was eight miles from the airport.
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  Speaker 2: The crash was eight miles from the airport. And I
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  Speaker 2: know I have it in the notes later, but one
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  Speaker 2: of the weird details about this is that it took
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  Speaker 2: them fifteen hours to find the crash site, even though
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  Speaker 2: it was eight miles from the airport and there was
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  Speaker 2: a massive fire in the jungle. I think you'd be
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  Speaker 2: able to spot that. So the one of the first
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  Speaker 2: people we meet besides the filmmaker in this is Uron Bjorkdahl.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's Mad's and Mads Bruger, Mads Bruga is
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  Speaker 1: in a cab with this old man and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: who the fuck is this old man?
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  Speaker 2: Turns out it's your on borg Doll or b York Doll,
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  Speaker 2: and he has pictures of the crash site.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's a pervert or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he doesn't jerk off to him. Why are
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  Speaker 2: you being that way? And basically his father was a
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  Speaker 2: diplomat who worked for the UN and his father at
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  Speaker 2: one point gives him this metal plate and says, this
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  Speaker 2: is from Dog Hommer Schultz plane. Keep it, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 2: take it, just take it away, carry it with you
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  Speaker 2: throughout your entire life, make it the basis of the
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  Speaker 2: next few decades of your life. And it looks like
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  Speaker 2: it's got bullet holes in it. Yeah, and that becomes
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  Speaker 2: way more important. It's weird.
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  Speaker 1: They seem redsin to say bullet holes. Yeah, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: they have these weird holes in it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, you know what My thought mention
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  Speaker 2: that was if you were shot down by rounds fired
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  Speaker 2: from a plane, those are gonna be big rounds. Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't think a plane's like the guns on a
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  Speaker 2: plane got to twenty two strapped to So I did
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  Speaker 2: the bullet holes did seem small?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't Yeah, no, but yeah, you know, despite
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  Speaker 1: my affinity for cap guns, you know, I don't really
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  Speaker 1: know that much but that, but I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: bizarrely seemed reticent to say bullet holes immediately when I
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  Speaker 1: would have immediately any kind of holes in metal like that.
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  Speaker 1: I just think, oh, it looks like it was shut
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  Speaker 1: up a big guns. You know, Yeah, we say bullet
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  Speaker 1: holes immediately. Any who they tracked on this sounds racist,
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  Speaker 1: but it's important. They tracked on the black witnesses from that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because, as you can imagine, in nineteen sixty one,
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  Speaker 2: authorities did not take the word of the black witnesses
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  Speaker 2: who all saw this crash happen. If they wrote them
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  Speaker 2: down at all, they did not take it seriously. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so Yuron actually tracks down on all of the witnesses
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  Speaker 2: to this because here's the thing. Most of them just
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  Speaker 2: still live in the area. And everyone reports that right
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  Speaker 2: before the crash all the lights went out at the airport.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that is that is definitely an odd fact that
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  Speaker 1: everyone and no one, no one that they're talking to
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  Speaker 1: is unsure of what they're remembering or seems to have
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  Speaker 1: any sort of confusion about what they're doing now, because
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  Speaker 1: it's a fucking plane crash. I've never seen it. You
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  Speaker 1: see a plane crush in person? I have not. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm neither. It's very unusual.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I would remember.
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  Speaker 1: Strange experiences in life, both of us combined, millions of
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  Speaker 1: weirdo ones and but no, not that. Yeah, they memorable.
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  Speaker 2: They all report that the lights went out, They all
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  Speaker 2: report seeing a huge fire, except one person, who is
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  Speaker 2: the air traffic controller who was on duty that night,
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  Speaker 2: and weirdly, he destroyed his notes from that day the
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  Speaker 2: following day and then had to rewrite them, and then
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  Speaker 2: they included no mention of a fire or a crash. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so it's at that point it's his word against everyone
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  Speaker 2: in the vicinity who all saw those lights go out
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  Speaker 2: and saw that crash. And they also reported here in
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  Speaker 2: something else strange, they reported hearing the sound of not
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  Speaker 2: only another plane, but that other plane was shooting at
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  Speaker 2: the plane that ended up crashing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy, weird how things sound like things like a plane
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  Speaker 1: shooting another plane, which I've never heard, but I imagine
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  Speaker 1: would be very distinct in terms of what we know
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  Speaker 1: for external facts in this situation. In nineteen sixty two,
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  Speaker 1: a Rhodesioning Greek concluded that the pilot was an error
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  Speaker 1: into blame. Well, later you in investigation could not determine
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  Speaker 1: the cause of the crash, right, and CIA blame the
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  Speaker 1: KGB like they do, like they love to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved to do. CIA comes up a lot
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  Speaker 2: in this, Yeah, a whole lot, the CIA and British intelligence. Yes,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: which if we're talking Belgians, Yeah, if we're talking people
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: who would be mad about the colonial powers losing their power.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It's funny. It's like high powered US intelligence people in government,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the British Belgian. You think we were talking about child
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: rape exactly, I know. But as Africa crazy go start
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: a child porn ring like I know, real illuminati, but
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: there were trafficking kids and drinking their blood. But no, no,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: So this is horrible as well. And it actually happens
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: for sure for definites.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: The day after the crash, former US President Harry Truman
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: commented that Hammershuld was on the point of getting something
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: done when they killed him. Notice that I said, when
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: they killed him.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Subtle, Harry, very subtle. Subtle.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Once once Harry Truman had hear that once he
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: had nuclear weapons, he swung his dick around.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Shit, dude.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: He was like, I'll say, whatever the fuck I want. Pal.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: The most interesting interview in this documentary, I would argue,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is Charles Southall, who was a former NSA agent, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: he claims that at one point he gets a phone
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: call and someone's like, you got to come to the office.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: This is gonna be cool. And he gets to the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: office and they play him a recording of what he
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: said everyone in the room was able to identify as
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: this Belgian mercenary pilot that they all knew as the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: lone ranger. Write that name down everyone listening to this
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: shooting down a plane somewhere in Africa. And the person
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: who called him in when he plays the recording goes,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: this is history and it's only seven minutes old. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: what he came to find out about that recording was
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: it was a recording of someone shooting down Dog Hommer
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Schultz plane, which is pretty crazy. That is a it's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: a wild allegation, and I would argue that in this
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: documentary they do a decent job of kind of confirming
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: that that probably happened.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is a brazen crime to think that someone would,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: middle of the day just fly by another plane and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: shoot at it, killing sixteen people on board, right when
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: full of you have witness eight miles from an airport. Yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, necessarily, but it's an afterdah
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it is. I'm saying, it's remote, but it's not like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, we're hundreds of miles from
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: an airport or something where like no one lives around here,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: no witnesses. Yeah, so witnesses someone survived for a couple
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of days shot down in broad daylight. Brazen, brazen boats brass,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: These people botus brass. So yes, definitely that lone ranger
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: thing comes up. This got me the chills. The plane card,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the playing card.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: One of the crazy things about the pictures of Dog
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Hommerschoult's body. There are no pictures of his body as
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: it appeared when he was found. There are only pictures
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: of his body after it had been moved to a stretcher,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: which that's weird. Yes, and then all the bodies around
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: him are like charred, they are completely burned, and he
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is not. You can make out his face, you can
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: still see his shirt is still mostly white, it's true,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: but he's also got an ace of spades, like tucked
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: into the collar of his shirt.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: My eyes bulged out of my head when I saw that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot fucking believe it. This is
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: so staged. It's like excepting a serial killer would do.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's a mafia fucking hint. It's just this is one
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of one of the things we talk about. Yeah, like
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: for this documentary or this conspiracy theory, you don't really
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: have to reach I mean, it's right at your little fingertips.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's these are not like, oh, well, maybe
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the body was in this position, which could have been this.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It's like the body was propped up with a fucking
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: plane card in his collar.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Right, and everyone else was and there's a photo of
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it burned to the point of not being recognizable. Uh huh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that does not And the fact, this is the point
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: in the documentary where they bring up that it took
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: fifteen hours to locate the crash site, the crash site
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of the fucking Secretary General of the UN. It took
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: fifteen hours to get eight miles from the airport where
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: there's a huge fire. Like the air traffic controller said
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: he didn't see a fire. All the bodies are burned
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to a c at this crash site. How would you
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: not in again, we're in Africa, like in this it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixties Africa. Yeah, so there weren't a lot.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Of substructure developed.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's not a lot of obstructions between that
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: line of site.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of gigantic fires going on.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Uh, it seemed that it was. It's just so obvious.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's just you would need to in order to not
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: see this, you would be need to have been threatened
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: not to or been paid off not to. Right, it
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: needs to be someone's best interest for you to look
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: at this case and not see that it's a it's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: a manufactured death, it's a murder, it's an assassination.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And that that air traffic controller destroying his notes the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: next day, that that's pretty fucking damning.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And he's on his way to negotiate a ceasefire, right,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: very specific purpose in mind.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a ceasefire that the world's superpowers did not want.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's a good document turning. Yeah. At one point, the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: UN reopens the case after hearing Charles Southall's comments, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: they actually reach out to the NSSA and they're like, hey,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: we need any recordings you got from this night in
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one. And the NSSAY and the United States
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: government right back and say the information you requested is classified,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: which means, yes, what you're asking for exists, but we
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: cannot give it to you for national security reasons. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: they're asking for that recording of this Belgian mercenary pilot
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: shooting down dog Homer Schultz plane. And we the United
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: States were like sorry, classified can't do it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: What gets being at the end of the day with
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the US and the issue of security is like it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: really twisted and sick because you can logically say it
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: is in the US's security interest to look like we
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: are good and do no bad, Right, I understand that.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, logically, yes, I understand why that makes sense,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: even though it's divorced from reality and fucked up and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: not something we should aspire to continue. Yeah, but it's like, oh,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you can say fucking anything is for your security, Like,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: so then you no one will ever be able to
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: request any information that would ever imply the US has
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: ever made a mistake in anything.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm starting to feel like part of the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: reason the UN exists is because of us, Like the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: world wanted a little bit of protection from US also.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, and we were attempting to do that even
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: though even.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Though we were integral in launching it. Yeah, that doesn't
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: mean the president at the time wasn't like, uh, we're
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: getting out of control. Yeah, I gotta help put something
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: in place before I'm out of office.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: That's safety on this pistol. Maybe, Yeah, Okay, So no
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: one wants to give up the truth. When it comes
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to this, no one officially wants to talk about anything.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: It seems like everything is you know, just hinting, not
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: data beforehand.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Right, And that's when we get to the craziest aspect
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: of this story. It's called the South African Institute for
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Maritime Research CIMA.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Did you want for Tima?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Simon, did you want for TIMA? This what I found
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: this fucking fascinating. Yes, when back when the apartheid regime
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: in South Africa, shortly after they lost power, there was
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this thing called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which I've heard.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: It before, you know when you're staying South African history
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to talk about it with yeah after yeah with them.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: And it was meant to investigate and discuss the crimes
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: of the apartheid regime. And as it was closing down
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight, they they're at this press conference
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and Desmond Tutu, who is a really well respected leader
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: on the world stage, he's at this press conference and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: he mentions finding documents tying the South African Institute for
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Maritime Research to the sabotage of the dog Hommerschold plane
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and British Intelligence and CIA are also mentioned in the documents.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: We claimed that it was just Cold War era misinformation,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: but it mentions this guy named Keith Maxwell, who is
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the commodore.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: The super villain of the piece. Yeah, and for.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Most of this documentary, I could not tell if this
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: guy was just a crazy person or if he was
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: an evil person.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Immediately, I was like, damn, these motherfiers evil.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I landed on evil eventually, But at first I feel
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: like they do a pretty good job making it not
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: real clear as to whether he's telling the truth about
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: what he's saying. Yeah, and we'll just talk about Keith Maxwell.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: He's the commodore of the AM. I gonna have to
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: say this. Let's just call it cymar. Everyone get it
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in your head now. South African Institute for Maritime Research.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: It sounds like they research dolphins.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Not true, right, they do not?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: No.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: One guy claims that he was running human experiments on
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: black women. Keith Maxwell was his ex wife. Says he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: liked to run mental experiments on people without the knowledge,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and that he set up fake clinics in black neighborhoods
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to conduct these experiments. And it seems like that was true.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: And get false injections and bullshit.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Right and it yeah he was this was you know
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: apartheid air Well, were these in South Africa?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, the clinics, Yeah, yes, yeah, that's what they're saying
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: in the townships.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he set up these clinics. He told some
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: people at these clinics that he was a mercenary who
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: worked in the Congo. Ah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Funny, weird, weird, that's not something you hear every day.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the documents that they produce at this Truth
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and Reconciliation press conference talk about something called Operations Celeste,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: or as the filmmaker says it, Operations Celesta, which I
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: don't know, queen, it's right, but that's the alleged code
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: name for the operation to kill Dog Hammer should and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Mads decides who Mad's is. The filmmaker, He decides to
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: try and find a bunch of people who are named
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in these documents, which is crazy to me. Like, we're
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: talking about the murder of the Secretary General of the
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: UN and you're like, I better go snooping around, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: better go.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I bet I'll show up at his place and he'll
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: want to talk immediately.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, hi, I've been waiting for you.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And it's weird. Sometimes people do.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's been out how old they are. Yeah,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: if you're like on your death store, yeah, maybe you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: want to talk about it. You're like, sure, I got
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: nothing else to do. I'm gonna die in a couple hours.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Clean my conscience. He does find it, dude.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he finds a bunch of people. He finds one
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: guy named doctor Claude Newberry, and he confirms that he
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: knew Keith Maxwell and that Maxwell tried to recruit him
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: into CIMAR. This is where a hard left turn happens. Yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: because up to this point, the documentary is about the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: death of dog Hammer. Should uh huh.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden and you're like assassination, planes, corruption, Africa,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: government intervention, military stuff. You're like, okay, all this is
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: par for the course. I came to expect this.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Not this. Yeah, hard left turn. Maxwell tells him AIDS
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: is biological warfare, and not only that, but Keith Maxwell
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: says he is researching ways to kill black people using
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: AIDS as a weapon. And I did not see that coming.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yikes, this is the momoent. You're you're just, oh,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: we're going here now, Holy Moses. So that's when you
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: start to be like, is Skuy a mental? Is he
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: a mental case? This is where he started to think,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: is this guy a bit psycho? Because when reviewing the film,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I believe there was a doctor who's like, oh, it
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: would have been impossible to you know, weaponize AIDS in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that fashion at that time. I don't know how he
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: can say that conclusively.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell it to Shuge Knight. He talked about giving
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: people aids needle injections.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. In the New York Times, doctor Salim Abdul
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Kareem claimed an article that a spreading the HVA virus
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: would not have been technically feasible at the time, so
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they said that it's a conspiracy theory and yeah, yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: But also that's I think something people need to realize about,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: like the big media in this country. The big media
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: in this country is basically state media. Yes, and there
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: are some things we're just all like everyone's just always
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: going to be united on. And when I say that,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I mean the big media outlets because like, at the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: end of the day' that's we have the media that
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: we make fun of, like North Korea for having like
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: we cover up the same amount of shit we lie
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: about things. We lie to our people, and so I'm
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: not that sold just because the New York Times said
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: it's a conspiracy theory.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: No, no, well the thing that kind of rocks that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: is this is just a Wikipedia you can check this out.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But despite previous reports during the South African government trial
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of doctor which are Bastan, head of the South African
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Defense forts secret German biological warfare Project Coast, which revealed's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: weaponization of HIV by freeze drine.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Ah see, so sobody done it that and stick it
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in your syringe and then put it in your arm
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: At these give me heroin with it? Come. Yeah, these
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: give me the good stuff.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: And like everything we know about how AID spread was
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that it was like dirty needles and shit, right, so
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: obviously transition.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't know why they don't think that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: just seems absurd to me. I'm not so sure. So
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: my favorite this is really this is a great like
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Michael Moore's style confrontation without being necessarily so you know, intense,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: but I do love it. It was as good as
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: confrontations you see in Michael Moore movies. Yeah, so they
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: find this dude, they find this guy Renee. Renee go
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and they go to his fucking house. Right, they go
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to his fucking house, and Renee looks Dopey's balls. He
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: looks like he's about to go mow the lawn, and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he looks like all confused and disheveled, and the Mads
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: just like busts south this document and he's like, hey,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: this is a CIMAR document. What's that. It's a signature
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that says Renee Gore. What do you think about that?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And what does he say in response?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: It's identity theft Okay. He's like, yeah, it's my signature.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And they're like, well, how did it get on there?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And he goes, you figure it out?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Like that's always one of my favorite responds. I just
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: want to to see where like a character just gets
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a call and they're like, what do you mean bodies
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: in my crawl space? You figured out? Yeahs I pay
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: your salaries pigs.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really belip it. Yeah, he's really stand offish
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: about all this. And then he it finally circles around
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to him claiming he took improv classes with Keith Maxwell,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and it's like, dude, I would admit to being in
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Cymar first before I'd admit to those improv.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: C Oh my god, I just had seen in my
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: mind the guy either just like, so, uh so you're
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: a vict him of vitnity theft and he's like, yeah, yeah,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: it's really bad. They're like, okay, so so this identity thief.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Have they used your your identity for you know, fraudulent banking,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a kind of other financial things, personal things, voting, anything
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh no, just this, Yeah, so just that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: put my name on a cimar document from the nineties
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: or whenever this has used my name and.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: A fake medical phogus that tried to uponize HIV. Yeah, papp,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it's the best of us all the time. They're just
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: going through your try so. Yeah. So they're asking if
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they're like, so, how do you know this student, He's like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I think we did. We did the theater, theater, we
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to classes, what kind of classes? Theater?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Drama?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Like heavy stuff like no known was it improv?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Like you're doing some improv right now.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Pal Zip steps up with Keith Thakswell. What is that
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: thing they clapping in whatever games.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Like a piece of bacon.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. He threw him the ball or whatever. Uh.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: They also talked to a guy named t Andy Groenwald
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: who becomes really important later. So remember that name that
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I just pronounced incorrectly. He met Keith Maxwell, says Maxwell
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: offered him weapons and money to arm white people to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: fight black people, but he didn't take that money because
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: he thought Keith Maxwell was funded by six So apparently
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: it's not that he didn't want money to arm white
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: people to fight black people, he just didn't want it
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: coming from the British government. Real stand up guy.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: But he also says he never heard of Cymar and
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: that the documents might be fake mm, which that's that
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: is always possible.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Like Russia documents specialist.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Though Russia did get up to a lot of document
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: faking during the Cold War.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Oh sure they did, right, But because someone's never heard
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of I don't like when people say because they're not
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: directly aware of something that it can't exist. I don't
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: really like that as an explanation off hand. I just
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: don't think it really holds water, because people are giving
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: access to things all the time that they're in the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: need to know sort of scenario, I guess. But yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: so that didn't totally take me out of the game,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: just him saying it. No, not so much. Yeah, pussy
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: loves to fight black people. Yeah, apparently clear text seems
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to be the subtext.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: It seems like that's a quirk of his.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: So it's integrity to me, it's not sky high.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: They bring up a interesting cable that Ed Guion, who
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: was ambassador to the Congo, sent a cable to the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: US State Department saying Hamer Schult's plane might have been
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: shot down, Bye say it US America a Belgian mercenary
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and this time he named the guy. His name was
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: von Reesigan something like that.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that two separate sources both named a
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Belgian mercenary or a Belgian. Right, it's the one to
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: do it. I know what you're saying. We're in that area,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: there's Belgians all about. But I think that is they're
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: not saying it was someone. They're not saying it was
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a British person. They're not saying it was a member
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of the Sorry, the Congo and the what is the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: other place. I'm terrible the breakaway section Kanga Congo and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Caanga no Katanga. I'm sorry that sounded disrespectful. It's your country.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So no, it wasn't someone from Katanga, it wasn't someone
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: from the Congo, it wasn't someone from the British or
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the Americans. It was a Belgian, right, and we did
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: say that, so I think that's kind of.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: They also interview a guy named Pierre Coppins, who was
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a former Belgian paratr.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I think he's still Belgian.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, I don't think he is. I stand
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: by it. Prove I'm wrong.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He says that von Reesigan told him that he shot
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: down Hamer Schultz plane. Resag was Belgian and British. As
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: it turns out, he flew for the Royal Air Force
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: during World War Two. His code name at the time
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the Lone Ranger, which is how just to if it
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: rings a bell. That's how Charles southall that nsa agent
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: who claims he heard that recording. That's what he said.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Everyone in the room identified this person on the recording
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: as a Belgian mercenary that they all knew as the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Lone Ranger.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like, uh, you know guy from Texas
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: named Texts or like you know, some left handed guy
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: named Lefty. It's like very specific. You're a Belgian pilot
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: named the Lone Ranger. Yes, right right on the money.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And they managed to track down his wife. Yeah, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: it's like, what do you think the wife's gonna tell you?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like she just obviously she was like, oh,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: it's just not hammerschalteing again and then ran back in
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're better cookies. Sorry Danish anyway. Uh, yeah, she
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't really give anything very telling. You know what I'm saying.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: It's not very it's not great evidence, but yeah, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: think that's very compelling if multiple people are saying, hey,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and they have no interest in this and they actually
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: could ruin their career, right, But they're not even saying
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: necessarily when you say conspiracy, they're just like, yeah, that
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: guy was murdered.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: It's not even like its vast multiple different I mean,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the groups the groups here are pretty the players are
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: pretty obvious. There's not any players that you have to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: guess at.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: No.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, but like in some place here, who hasn't
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: before engaged in the active assassination Let's say that, oh absolutely,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: but all of them have done assassinations before and did
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: assassinations after. So how are we supposed to sing, No,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I think at this time they probably didn't assassinate. At
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: least somebody pulled the trigger.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone definitely killed this guy. And there comes a
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: point in this documentary where it seems like all is
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: lost because.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: They can't get they can't they can't clench it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we we haven't mentioned that. At one point, they
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: go out to the crash site, which is it's all
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: just buried there, like it's all still there, and they
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: go out to dig it up, and they get like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: a day into that, and airport security shuts them down
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: and won't let them continue. And then they find out
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that the panel that I forget his name now, yeah,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Goran has been carrying around with him. The the UN
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: reopens an investigation into this and they request that panel,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: and then they send it to the FBI, and the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: FBI is like, this is off like a fucking range
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: rover or something. Whoa, this isn't even the thing. So
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: it seems like everything is lost, like they're not going
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: to be able to finish this. And then Urine comes
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: up with this list and it's a list of dudes
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: who responded to an ad that Keith Maxwell put in
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a newspaper looking for mercenaries and they were responding to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: a simar ad basically, and that's when everything kind of
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: turns around because they start interviewing these dudes who the
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: first person. At first, they try to call people and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: everyone's like, no, I'm not talking to you. But then
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: for some reason, you show up at the person's house
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: with a camera in their face and they're like, all right,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to you. It's fine. And the first guy
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: they talked to could not look more like a person
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: that you would pay one hundred thousand dollars to to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: help topple a foreign government. Mm hmm, like he has
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: that vibe. And sure enough, he goes in his closet
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and pulls out a fucking certificate from Cymar and he's like,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of course it was real. Here it is like, because
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: up to this point they weren't sure if this was
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: even a real thing.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was shady, it was Shandy's hell yeah. And
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: then we have one white supremacy who's like, oh no, no,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: those documents don't look so real exactly.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: So they start trying to track down the people on
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: this list, and one of the people they end up
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: talking to is this guy named Alexander Jones, and he
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: is probably the most important interview in this documentary. He's
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: got a lot to say. He talks to them in
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: person and says CIMAR was a clandestine mercenary organization funded
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: by foreign governments. And now I'm getting a pop up
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: just as.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: We say, funny too, because it's like, man, South Africa,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: get it together. Canching even fund your own mercenary groups anymore? Yeah, yeah, everything, yikes,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: come on, let's get it together.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And he said their role was to destabilize countries and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: carry out other missions. He said there were as many
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: as five thousand members.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Shit.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And then at one point he's listing off the things
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that they worked on and he just almost kind of
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: casually throws out this quote, we were involved in Mozambique
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: spreading the AIDS virus through medical conditions, and then he
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: just like starts mentioning other shit, and the filmmaker and
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I think Urine was with him, are both like rewind,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: can you can you go back? Where are you saying
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: that you spread the AIDS virus on purpose? And he's
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah we did that, which, uh
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: that's pretty vaccines through vaccines.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at them I'm pessogen about giving these anti vaxxers anything.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know I feel about giving them this nugget.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Of truth exactly.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I feel uncomfortable with it. Well they're yeah, they're gabbing, cold,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: dirty true.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I don't like. They also talk about the case of
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: a woman named Dogmar.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Fail Sagmar right, she was, she was a piece.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: She was also a white supremacist.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It's that name. I'm just laughing at the name. Jagmar
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: file or feel she was.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: She was recruited into Simar. She worked in a lab
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: of some sort, but never gave her brother details. But
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: she did mention AIDS research a whole bunch and at
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: one point they like just really quickly or like, so
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: she became a white supremacist. And then they say she
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: went to Mozambique and was there to give vaccines and
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: then found out that she was actually doing was spreading
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the AIDS virus, and decided she was going to tell
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the truth about it. So they murdered her, stabbed her
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: to day.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: And what's that a frankoin about all people and good
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: stuff and people being good. I don't know, remember that, No,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: h thirteen year olds are crazy, can't trust him. Uh
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: So back to Alexander Jones.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alexander Jones. Once he says this, he starts to
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: really go off and give up a lot of details.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: And he says it was about retaining white supremacy on
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the African continent, and says all of those local clinics
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: that Keith Maxwell set up were actually set up to
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: spread the AIDS virus. And he also knew dog Mar
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: file and confirmed the Mozambique story and that she was
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: going to testify about the bread of AIDS. So Simar
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: took her out and her mom wants to tell this
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: story in front of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: they won't let her. They decide it's too controversial. But
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: later Keith Maxwell for some reason, like grows a conscience
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: or something, and as he's about to leave the country,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: he gives her all this information pertaining to her daughter,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: like all of these documents.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: See, this is why I think Keith Maxwell is a
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: super villain, because the amount of explaining of how evil
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he is is something that only bond villains do. Oh yeah,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: so that's my point, that's my two cents.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: In those documents, they find a ledger that claims Teeny
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Groenewald ordered the killing of Dagmar, the same guy who
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: earlier in the documentary said he had never heard of
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Simar at all.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, and they looked like fake documents. Yeah, looks fake
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: to me, mate.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: That's how they talk in South Africa.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: That's how you are when you're scrutinizing documents.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Alexander Jones says he thinks that they were all at
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Ceimar working at the behest of the British government, which sure,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: like that's that's a thing. We know. Governments get up
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: like we know the CIA does that. The CIA sets
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: up groups and fucking communes and shit all over the
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: fucking world, and all the time these things are getting
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: traced back to the CIA. So it stands to reason
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that the British government, Like, what's the British government going
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: to do if they want someone to shoot down dog
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Hommer Schultz plane, are they going to send the British military?
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Of course not. No, you gotta pay someone. You gotta
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: pay some soldiers of fortune.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to get like America's hire
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: that a team. Yeah, yeah, you gotta get fucking mister
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: t out there with some chains about that's not what
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: he did. My apologies. So Alexander Jones says he thinks
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: they were working at the past the British government, and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: he admits that Simar was involved in the killing of
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Doug Hamma. Schultz says he was giving pictures of the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: crash scene that showed Keith Maxwell when two other men
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: in military fatigues. Pictures were used for recruitment purposes.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, what do we do?
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Kaboom there, that's what we do. We kill members of
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the UN when they fuck with us. Do you want
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: to kill world leaders and give dads the black people
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the nineties? Yeah?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Job fair?
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, Seimar Simar, Seimar Okay, day days. He says, the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Ace of Spades is a Cia Colli card, not just
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a righteous song.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: This quote, this quote, you do it, play it out.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: He was killed because he was going to change the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: way the rest of the world dealt with Africa financially.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I believe that whether the Keith Maxwell spreading AIDS thing
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: is true or not, which there's apparently some debate as
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: to whether that's a way you can spread AIDS, even
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: though I've always heard it's like one of two ways
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I do it, that you can spread aids. I absolutely
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: believe that the United States and the British teamed up
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: to fucking kill this guy because they have we they
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: have so many financial interests in Africa, Like we weren't
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: going to give all that up. No, Like it's way
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: easier to just have the lone ranger shoot this guy
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: out of the sky. And we're like, it probably seems.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Like himself a lone ranger in a sense, wasn't he Dog?
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Like he's like, he's actually of
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: all of those political assassinations in the sixties, He's like,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: he's the one that never gets mentioned because no one
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: sees it as an assassination.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: But and he wasn't part of a group or a movement.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could say if you who perhaps killed
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: somebody who was a leader, like a Caesar Shavez type,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: but they were representing other people were working with them
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: towards the same goals. Dog was sort of he was
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: working with the UN but he was sort of a
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: lone figure and attempting to do what he wanted to
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: do and working really directly with these people were very
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: higher up in government, so they knew his temperament, you know,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: one on one and he wasn't like he had a
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: guy who could step in and be him and do
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: what he was doing or had the same agenda. Right,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: That wasn't gonna happen again in the un They weren't
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: going to put a dog commercial version two point zero
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: to take to take over from him and was going
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to radically change, right.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that It probably seems like we gave a
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: lot of this documentary away, but there's there's a lot
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: more details.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: So it's the style of it. It's a fantastic style.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It's thrilling, it's interesting, it's you know, the it's great
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: art direction, great production design. It's mysterious, it's the interviews
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: are great. The characters have to be seen to be believed.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: They're odd.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and there's there are so many other crazy
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: details I should I feel. I'm happy we're doing this.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: We tried to do this. We covered this documentary on
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Pretty Scary but the film, the company that made it
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: actually reached out to me before this came out and
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: offered to send me a screener so I could cover
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: it before it came out. But it had so much
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: like copy protection on it that when me and my
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: co host were trying to watch it separately at the
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: same time, and I just sent her my link and
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: every time she would start it, mine would shut down,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: and then I would reboot it, and then hers would
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: shut down. Oh okay, and we could never get through
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: the movie. Yeah, but fucking crazy, really wild. We killed
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: dog Hommer should like we fucking shot him out of
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the sky.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and sixteen, but only because.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: The bomb didn't go off. We didn't mention that part.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, but sixteen as well. Yeah, isn't that
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: funny to think about in life? You could, That's why.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: So you always always if you're ever getting on a
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: plane with a very very very famous, are very very filigible,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: maybe switch planes, I don't know, you know, you never
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: want to think I'm some bystanders so and so and
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: so getting killed.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Well that yeah, there's all the Malaysia Airlines conspiracies and
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: one of them it's not even a conspiracy. There were
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: all these weapons makers on that plane, and people are
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like they kidnap that plane and get them weapons.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: You know, you never know worth a look and good Anya,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you know Danish, it's the sweet It's a very Nordic
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: film in Africus. Yeah, yeah, it's it's culturally interesting. It's
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: not some psycho from the Midwest and you know who's
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: trying to prove that the Earth is flat. It's not
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: that right kind of conspiracy. It's not some guy with
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: questionable hair choices from Switzerland. Guys, no hair, no hair's
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: mess it up, all right, I'm glad. We I'm glad.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I watched. It's on Hulu.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on Hulu. You can watch. It's called Cold
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Case Hammer Should, and uh, it's really fucking good. I
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: think they make a compelling case me too, that the
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: dog hommer Should was murdered and maybe British intelligence spread
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: AIDS in Africa to keep white supremacy on the continent
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: in place.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a bunch of like jerks and like speaking.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: To that, like there's this thing where For the past
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: however many years, I think since Reagan, anytime there's been
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: a Republican in the White House, we have always put
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: a stipulation in place that if we are to send
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: aid money to Africa, those countries have to teach abstinence
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: only sex education. They can't promote the use of condoms.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: They can't which why why, Like you can say it's because, oh,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: we're religious. It's like, you want black people to get AIDS.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Sure that's what you want, for sure, definitely do. I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: don't doubt that for a moment. So yeah, not a
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: fucking word of this sounds unbelievable to me. No, Like,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: it all sounds very like. And even if they're like
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: there would have been no way to spread AIDS. That
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: way doesn't mean we didn't.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Try, like, and the fact that they tried is bad enough. Yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: under the guys of medicine.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, go watch it. It's a good documentary. Uh,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: that's our episode. Do we have anything to plug before
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: we get out of here?
• 56:31
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• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, find me on IG two as the kids call
• 56:36
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• 56:39
  Speaker 2: and Twitter. I guess, yeah, defeated, I know, geez And uh,
• 56:45
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• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Conspiracy Show and all of our other shows very soon,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: very very soon. It will be pretty fucking great. So uh,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Bolo be on the lookout. Hey, all right, let's get
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: the funk out of here. Laura say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, everybody.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: We love you.