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“This Has Been Dysfunctional”; Judge Orders Taylor Frankie Paul and Ex To Stay Apart for Next Three Years · I Do, Part 2

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  Speaker 1: Hey, that folks is Friday, May one, and a judge
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  Speaker 1: yesterday said out loud what a lot of us were
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  Speaker 1: thinking that Taylor Frankie Paul and Dacorta and Mortensen need
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  Speaker 1: to stay away from each other. And the judge said
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  Speaker 1: this at a hearing that could go a long way
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  Speaker 1: in determining whether or not we ever see Taylor Frankie
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  Speaker 1: Paul's season of The Bachelorette. And with that, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. This was a
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  Speaker 1: hearing in which Dakota and Taylor were squaring off over
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  Speaker 1: protective orders. Let's just start with the tension. It was
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  Speaker 1: kind of something to see these two sitting what fifteen
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  Speaker 1: twenty feet away from each other.
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  Speaker 2: In courtroom because they have to stay one hundred feet
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  Speaker 2: away from each other for the next three years now
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  Speaker 2: according to this judge, he made their temporary restraining orders permanent.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, this was the first time they were physically together,
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  Speaker 2: or at least in the same room that we know of,
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  Speaker 2: since these allegations of domestic violence and started flying.
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  Speaker 1: And when those allegations started flying, video started coming out.
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  Speaker 1: What also started flying was all kinds of filings and
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  Speaker 1: paperwork and these two were going after each other, and
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  Speaker 1: one of those things they were doing was to file
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  Speaker 1: protective orders against each other.
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  Speaker 3: So this is what the hearing was about.
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  Speaker 1: But also wrote the judge was trying to resolve some
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  Speaker 1: issues with their two year old child, some custody issues
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  Speaker 1: that frankly, he put in place a few weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: after the video came out, and he wasn't necessarily inclined
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  Speaker 1: to change it just yet.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: So as of April seventh, Taylor Frankie Paul could only
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  Speaker 2: spend and currently can only spend eight supervised hours with
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  Speaker 2: her two year old son Ever.
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  Speaker 4: And before all of this, she was the primary custodian
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  Speaker 4: of him.
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  Speaker 2: She had they had shared custody, but she he spent
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  Speaker 2: most nights with her, So this was a huge adjustment,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sure she was hoping that the judge was
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  Speaker 2: going to lift at least the supervised part of it
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  Speaker 2: this time around. But we heard from the Guardian at LTAM,
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  Speaker 2: the person responsible for representing Ever in court as well.
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  Speaker 2: It was fascinating watching these proceedings take place late yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: So and it's good you brought that up because there
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  Speaker 1: were essentially three different sides, or I guess three different
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  Speaker 1: people being represented Dakota, Taylor, and then their child, and
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  Speaker 1: there was an independent representative in there speaking for the
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  Speaker 1: child and Robes, they hear that person talk was really fascinating,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get into why, Robed. He was almost shocking
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  Speaker 1: to hear this person whose only responsibility is that child
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  Speaker 1: didn't give a damn about any one else. To hear
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  Speaker 1: that person make an argument that I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: child so should be with mama just yet.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into that.
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  Speaker 1: But Robes, you had three sides, I said, But you
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  Speaker 1: had Dakota's attorney, you had Taylor's attorneys. And they're sitting
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  Speaker 1: up there a robe. They start presenting their cases, and
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  Speaker 1: their cases against each other include a lot of exhibits,
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  Speaker 1: essentially making an argument that this person on the other
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  Speaker 1: side is violent or beat me up, or is responsible
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  Speaker 1: for this and that. So I thought the first one
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  Speaker 1: to go up was Dakota's attorney laid out a case.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of this was stuff we'd already heard, was
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  Speaker 1: it not.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Yes, there were eleven fights between the two that
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  Speaker 2: were under examination that each one alleges in these protective orders.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, hearing from Dakota's side. He describes obviously what
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  Speaker 2: takes place in these videos, and he said that his
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  Speaker 2: client is a victim of domestic violence and that fear.
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  Speaker 4: Fear kept him from speaking out sooner. Fear.
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  Speaker 2: He said that Taylor Frankie Paul told him he'd never
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  Speaker 2: work again, that his life would be ruined, and then
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  Speaker 2: he would always go back but then fall into the
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  Speaker 2: same cycle, but that it was fear, like most domestic
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  Speaker 2: violence survivors, as the motivating factor for him not coming
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  Speaker 2: forward or saying anything sooner.
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  Speaker 1: And when you said eleven fights, I had right. What
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about here were physical altercations. Each of them
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  Speaker 1: they're talking about in some way. Now they're not all
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  Speaker 1: chair tossing situations like we saw, but Robes, that is.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of domestic incidents, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Just over a period of two or three years that
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  Speaker 2: were noted. You know, I'm sure there were plenty of
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  Speaker 2: other little verbal disagreements, but yes, to think that there
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  Speaker 2: were that many times where it rose to the level
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  Speaker 2: that it needed to be documented and filed in a
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  Speaker 2: court room is pretty significant.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't it feel to you that the judge in listening
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  Speaker 1: as the code's attorney was trying to really make the case.
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  Speaker 1: My client is a domestic violence victim, and this follows
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  Speaker 1: a cycle, a pattern he gets drawn back in. And
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  Speaker 1: the judge didn't necessarily seem to buy fully that argument
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  Speaker 1: because he was saying, it sounds like your client d codea.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was kind of manipulating a lot of this.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, he said, I thought this was really fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: The judge was describing both Taylor and Dakota, and he
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  Speaker 2: said Taylor is reactive, emotionally reactive, which we can clearly see,
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  Speaker 2: but Dakota was calculating. And he questioned why Dakota decided
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  Speaker 2: instead of putting his son down. There's the video that
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  Speaker 2: got them here in the first place, where at least
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  Speaker 2: certainly is one of the main reasons why Taylor does
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  Speaker 2: not have custody of her son ever, is because there
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  Speaker 2: is a video where she pushes him or shoves him
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  Speaker 2: while he has their son in his arms. And the judge, actually,
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  Speaker 2: I thought this was really interesting, said why did you
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  Speaker 2: feel the need to record this and pull your phone
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  Speaker 2: out instead of putting your son down? So his implication
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  Speaker 2: was and even we heard from Taylor's side saying they
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  Speaker 2: absolutely believe Dakota is the person who leaked the video
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  Speaker 2: that ended up having the Bachelorette removed from air because
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  Speaker 2: of that video that was released. They said it was deliberate,
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  Speaker 2: It was timed exactly the way he wanted it to.
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  Speaker 2: He is calculating, he is manipulative, and the judge acknowledged
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  Speaker 2: some of that.
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  Speaker 3: But I've on the video thought the Joe that who cares.
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  Speaker 3: I know what they're saying.
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  Speaker 1: They said, we're making a point about manipulation, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't for the judge at least doesn't make a difference
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  Speaker 1: to me one way or another. And how I'm deciding
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's an abuser or he's.
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  Speaker 3: This or that.
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  Speaker 1: The judge in so much of this stuff was interesting
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  Speaker 1: and he seemed to be stuck in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways when he was giving his final judgments. Now wrote
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  Speaker 1: the the other point you were making about who leaked
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  Speaker 1: the video, there was a point of contention and argument
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  Speaker 1: and even different witnesses. They didn't testify, but they're on
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  Speaker 1: the record about an incident in which one of her
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  Speaker 1: what fellow cast members, said she overheard Dakota saying he
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  Speaker 1: was going to leak the video and then the other
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  Speaker 1: side said, actually, Dakota had a witness at that same
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  Speaker 1: meeting who's saying the absolute opposite.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So it was Jesse Draper.
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  Speaker 2: If you are a fan of the Secret Lives of
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  Speaker 2: Mormon wives, you'll know exactly who she is. And she's
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  Speaker 2: actually in the middle of a divorce from her husband
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  Speaker 2: right now as well. But while they were all still together,
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  Speaker 2: she claims she walked downstairs and overheard a conversation with
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  Speaker 2: Dakota and her husband where Dakota was talking about specifically
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  Speaker 2: mentioned TMZ, which is of course the organization that received
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  Speaker 2: or at least disseminated that video, and said he was
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  Speaker 2: going to do it to basically to ruin her life,
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  Speaker 2: to ruin her career, to ruin the bachelorette. So she
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  Speaker 2: I think submitted sworn testimony or written testimony to that
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  Speaker 2: effect to the judge.
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  Speaker 1: Again, Robes, this whole thing was just a back and
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  Speaker 1: forth and some of the arguments the lawyers were making,
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  Speaker 1: and this is you and I making a judgment based
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  Speaker 1: on what we were listening to. It sounded like a
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  Speaker 1: stretch like some of the stuff we know things happened.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes as they were making arguments, they tried to.
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  Speaker 1: It almost sounded like they were embellishing and trying to
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  Speaker 1: make some things sound like a bigger deal than they
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  Speaker 1: actually were. The judge seemed to pick up on some
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  Speaker 1: of that, but Robes, we hear this, Look, we've at
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  Speaker 1: an age where we've had divorces. We're at age we've
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  Speaker 1: seen a lot of people have divorces, and people joke
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  Speaker 1: about this all the time. After a few years of marriage,
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  Speaker 1: you're just collecting evidence against each other. And these two
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  Speaker 1: seem like all they did all the time was try
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  Speaker 1: to find and set each other up. Here's a text
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  Speaker 1: message he sent me. Here's a phone call she did.
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  Speaker 1: Here's that. It seemed like they're just the only thing
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  Speaker 1: they've been doing the past year is building cases against
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  Speaker 1: each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it did seem like that. Certainly they had plenty
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  Speaker 2: of evidence going both ways. I did like what the
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  Speaker 2: judge said, though he summed it up like this, I'm
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  Speaker 2: finding that there's been violence both ways between these parties,
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  Speaker 2: and honestly, with all the he said, she said, I
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  Speaker 2: have a bruise. This came from that he kicked me
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  Speaker 2: while I was down. She you know, violently, you know,
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  Speaker 2: attacks me. All of this back and forth. That's pretty
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  Speaker 2: much the summation. You all have both been violent towards
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  Speaker 2: one another.
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  Speaker 3: Ruse he put it the how I don't have a
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  Speaker 3: quote in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: He said there that that no, no, no, Taylor Frankie
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  Speaker 1: Paul has shown and inability to control her emotions, but
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  Speaker 1: it's only when she's in the vicinity of Dakota. What
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  Speaker 1: the hell he's acknowledging. Yep, this woman is out of control.
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  Speaker 1: But he is the key to all of that happening.
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  Speaker 4: He knows the buttons to push, he does.
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  Speaker 1: But she clearly she can't control herself. Who's responsible both? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I saw her toss the chairs, but they're he acknowledging
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  Speaker 1: that both of them are doing it's a different way.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't. And the kicking was something I hadn't heard
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  Speaker 3: a lot about.
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  Speaker 4: I hadn't neither.
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  Speaker 2: Adm is that she tripped when they were in this fight,
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  Speaker 2: and that he was kicking her violently while he was
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  Speaker 2: holding her son after he turned the phone off, after
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  Speaker 2: he turned the recording off, and she says she has
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  Speaker 2: the bruises to prove it.
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  Speaker 1: Some this scenario makes zero sense because even the judge
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  Speaker 1: stopped because his attorney was saying, Dakota doesn't believe he
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  Speaker 1: kicked her.
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  Speaker 2: You and I both look, he doesn't believe he kicked her,
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  Speaker 2: And then the judge said the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, believe he kicked her?
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  Speaker 2: And I guess they clarified it by saying he could
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  Speaker 2: have inadvertently as he was trying to get her away
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  Speaker 2: from him, but he didn't deliberately kick her.
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  Speaker 1: And it was described as by the other side as
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  Speaker 1: a violent stomping almost.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, so somewhere in between, perhaps is the truth. I
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  Speaker 2: thought the judge had a lot of really interesting comments.
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  Speaker 2: I have a couple of his quotes that I thought
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  Speaker 2: were pretty significant. He said, I'm hoping you're not just
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  Speaker 2: people who thrive on the drama and the conflict. I
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  Speaker 2: looked at you and said, well, they're in reality TV,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe they've taken it a little bit too seriously.
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  Speaker 2: But he did make that point. He said, you guys
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  Speaker 2: have a lot to figure out here. You have to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to function as co parents. This is dysfunctional.
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  Speaker 4: You're linked together for the remainder of your lives. This
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  Speaker 4: is your legacy. You're modeling right now how you deal
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  Speaker 4: with conflict To a two year.
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  Speaker 3: Old right there. I thought the hearing should have stopped.
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  Speaker 1: Both of them should have looked down at each other
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  Speaker 1: and said, Okay, this is bullshit. Let's go figure this out.
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  Speaker 1: That line right there should have stopped the proceeding. Are
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  Speaker 1: you kidding me? You all are at that sweetart? That
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  Speaker 1: was perfectly said the judge. You remember when he started
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  Speaker 1: the hearing, he said, you all talked, try to figure
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  Speaker 1: things out, try to work he gave. He asked them,
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  Speaker 1: have the sides gotten anywhere on resolving anything?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, And he kept saying that that was his hope. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's so much better for you all to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what works best for you rather than have me come
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  Speaker 2: in and tell you what to do.
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  Speaker 1: Or yes, yes, robes, But I thought that was he
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  Speaker 1: brought it home. With all this celebrity, this and that,
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  Speaker 1: with all the bachelorette, with all the Mormon wives, all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff robes. This really boils down to two adults,
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  Speaker 1: two parents who are showing their child how to deal
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  Speaker 1: with your anger issues, how to deal with conflict, how
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  Speaker 1: to deal with the person you say you love. The
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  Speaker 1: kid has seen more fights at the age of two
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  Speaker 1: than I have ever seen between a mommy and a daddy.
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  Speaker 1: That's really saying, and the kid isn't too. Yeah, Roves,
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  Speaker 1: that drove the point home. I thought that was so
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  Speaker 1: well said, and they are not taking him.
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  Speaker 4: Up on it, I know.
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  Speaker 2: And the judge even said, you're going to have He
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  Speaker 2: was pointing out all the milestones we know as divorced
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  Speaker 2: parents what this is like. But he was pointing out,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have school events, graduations, weddings, You're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to be in the same room. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to figure it out.
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  Speaker 4: Roads.
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  Speaker 1: That How excellent of a point is that, ro This
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  Speaker 1: is simple stuff. You all can't be in a room
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  Speaker 1: together without fighting, physically fighting. The kids got what is
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  Speaker 1: it the grandkid's line?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He said, you're gonna have grand You're going to share
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  Speaker 2: grandkids together. You are your lives are intertwined for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of your lives. Figure this out now before it's
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  Speaker 2: too late. And that makes a lot of sense. But
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: we also learned a little bit of information about this tattoo,
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  Speaker 2: this lip tattoo, and there are questions about based on
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  Speaker 2: how the judge decides this case, is the bachelorette salvageable.
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  Speaker 4: We'll tell you all of that when we come back.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, we continue here on Aby and DJ May
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  Speaker 1: first sort today of the month. Here Robes a significant
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  Speaker 1: hearing yesterday. That's not just a matter of their family
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  Speaker 1: situation with Tayley Taylor, Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortensen. Not
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  Speaker 1: just a matter of their future earnings, or it's not
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  Speaker 1: just a matter of whether or not Frankie Tilly Paul
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  Speaker 1: can be a reality TV star.
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  Speaker 3: Again.
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  Speaker 1: We understand she's probably gonna go back to Mormon Wives
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  Speaker 1: or make appearances at least at some point. But Robes,
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  Speaker 1: it was key when they canceled this season of The Bachelorette.
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  Speaker 1: There's very specific few words in there that jumped out at.
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  Speaker 4: Us at this time.
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  Speaker 1: There it is, there, it is. Is it possible that thing, well,
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  Speaker 1: not possible. That thing is sitting on the shelf, not
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: quite collecting dust yet still brand new. How soon before
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  Speaker 1: they could roll that thing back out?
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  Speaker 2: You know that Disney executives, ABC, Hulu executives have been
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  Speaker 2: watching this case very closely. And when the two different
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  Speaker 2: jurisdictions in Utah decided not to pursue domestic violence charges
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  Speaker 2: against Taylor Frankie Paul, that was the first moment. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that those executives thought, hmm, we might be able
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  Speaker 2: to air this, we might be able to salvage this.
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  Speaker 2: She's not being pursued criminally, that's.
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  Speaker 4: A big deal.
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  Speaker 2: And the video that we all saw, we already knew
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  Speaker 2: about the incident. So now the next question is, look,
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  Speaker 2: if this woman loses, if Taylor Frankie Paul loses custody
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  Speaker 2: or is forced to continue to have supervise visits with
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  Speaker 2: her own son because she can't be trusted to not
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  Speaker 2: have a violent outburst, I don't think that's still a
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  Speaker 2: good look enough for them to be able to put
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  Speaker 2: it on the air. However, if she shows that she
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  Speaker 2: can be a responsible well mother, if the judge sees improvement,
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  Speaker 2: if the judge says, way to go, here's joint custody back,
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  Speaker 2: it's possible.
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  Speaker 4: There's there's a way forward for the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing we're even talking about this. It's amazing that
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  Speaker 1: this is on the table. It's amazing that they're still
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  Speaker 1: considering this thing. Because yes, we've seen the video. We
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  Speaker 1: knew about that incident, but Rhoades, I didn't know about
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  Speaker 1: the incident in May of twenty twenty five. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know all these details about February.
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  Speaker 4: Or the eleven other incidents that were detailed.
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  Speaker 1: So now what's happened in the hearing? Yes, she's not
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  Speaker 1: being charged criminally, I ask you, babe, does this make
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  Speaker 1: things look worse? Does this actually make her look worse?
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  Speaker 1: We are getting now details more into not just an
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  Speaker 1: isolated incident, but a pattern of behavior and a domestic
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  Speaker 1: abuser that for some reason. She's short, and she's sweet
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  Speaker 1: and she's cute, and we are giving her. But the
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  Speaker 1: other part is Dakota is starting to look a little
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  Speaker 1: more terrible. Quite frank, not to say he was some saint,
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  Speaker 1: but Robes, how how forgiving are people going to be
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  Speaker 1: to what is? Can we say out loud that she
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  Speaker 1: is a domestic abuser, a convicted one. I want to
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  Speaker 1: say she is recovering or whatever. And you I tried
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  Speaker 1: with you yesterday, Robes on this. I'm trying to understand
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  Speaker 1: how the conversation is so different And you said it's
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  Speaker 1: simply a matter of size.
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  Speaker 4: I do think that's a huge part of it.
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  Speaker 2: She's a tiny thing and Dakota is a big guy,
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  Speaker 2: and it's to the point where you're like, Okay, so.
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  Speaker 4: You punched him. How hard did that hurt?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: That's literally what people think, and that's not fair, but
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  Speaker 2: that is what people So the.
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  Speaker 1: Next question was is that fair? Is that okay? Should
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  Speaker 1: we look at it that way? Yes, she's hitting him,
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  Speaker 1: but he's bigger. Is she really a threat? Is she
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  Speaker 1: bet that big of a threat if she's swung out
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: The answer is.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: On video, she could have connect with a stool or
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: whatever else was in her hand. I am just so
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: fascinated Robes that it is a consideration that someone with
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a documented history of years of domestic violence is being
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: considered to be the star of a show that's meant
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to find love.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Well, she wasn't considered. She was chosen.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Millions and millions of dollars were put into the production
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of that show, knowing I don't know how many new
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: revelations we actually maybe a longer pattern of violence, but certainly,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You would think that they did their
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: due diligence. You would think that they that they dug
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a little to see what they were getting, and they
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: hedged their bets, and they hoped that it wouldn't come out,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: and they certainly didn't. Well, they didn't anticipate a video
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: being leaked the tattoo. Wanted to talk about that because
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: that was interesting, the lift tattoo.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: One of the allegations or one of the reasons why
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul said that Dakota Mortensen was possessive.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Was exhibit A.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: He had her name correct tattooed on the inside of
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: her lip, which we were all just that was pretty significant.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: And you're thinking, wow, that does sound slightly obsessive and
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: bizarre and strange.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me the timing right he would have
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: gotten it, like, didn't they say was around the time
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: when they were broken up or after the Bachelorette.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: That was while she was shooting the Bachelorette.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Now, according to Dakota's side, this is a yet to
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: be aired scene from Mormon Wives where all the guys
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: went and got crazy stuff. And here's the big headline.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: He says, this was not a permanent tattoo. It's a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: temporary tattoo, so it's not quite that obsessive.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: He even pointed over to him he could show you
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: right now. You can barely even see it, and on
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the inner lip bro, that's a pretty big distinction. And
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that's the point I was making earlier about their embellished
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: They make things sound so terrible, like, oh my god,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: this guy went she's over dating other guys and he
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: goes and gets a tattoo. How creepy is that? Well,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: it was for a TV show.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: And all the apparently all the other husbands did something similar.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Context was important, and then yes, And then they went
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: on to say that at the time, she said it
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: was hot, and I believe they had sex that night.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: That night.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They are using this as an argument for why she
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: needs a protective order and she's so creeped out by it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: That she sets with them.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Then it was hot that he did it and they
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: had sex that night. This is they need to stay
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: away from.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the judge talked a lot about their sexual
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: chemistry and how they couldn't stay away from each other,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and to the point where you and I were like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: this is getting a little creepy on the judge part,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: But he wanted to He wanted to make the point. Yes,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I get it, you guys have this, you know, strange
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: attraction to each other, but it has to stop because
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: it doesn't take long and it ends and turns violent
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: almost every time you're in the room together.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: He almost.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: He also suggested Robe that some of that attract has
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to do with the drug of celebrity and what they
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: mean for each other in that whole world. He did,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: but it was we were laughing, like this was he saying, here,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I know you guys are hot for each other.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, really, that's what he's like. The sex must be great.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: He didn't say that, but he just, wow, y'all must
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: have an amazing physical connection.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I get it. Look at you too.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't say any of those things, but
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: he kind of was saying those things.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Yes. But so the next court date, by the way,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: so this is a.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Big one for Taylor Frankie Paul because obviously she wants
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to be able to spend unsupervised time with her son
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: in certainly more than eight hours a week. The judge
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: is taking this time to consider the custody arrangement he
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: thinks is going to.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Be best forever.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: But he's going to make those recommendations, he said by
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: May eleventh. So stay tuned on what happens next for
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul and custody of her son. Ever, but
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: this drama will likely continue. But three years, these two
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: not supposed to be within a hundred feet of one another.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: They won't be able to do that. I know they
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: won't be able to stay away each other.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: How soon will they violate.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: That they were texting after the hearing pro.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Probably all right with that, everyone, We always appreciate you
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: listening to us.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I made me Roebuck alongside t. J. Holmes. We will
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: talk to you soon.