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Acting Requires A Coach An Actors Space In LA With Rob Brownstein · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: It's music's lost history. Enjoy your exploration. Hey, Rob, how
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  Speaker 1: are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, man. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely excited to share a conversation with you because you
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  Speaker 1: are a leader in what's going on in the transition
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  Speaker 1: of so much entertainment and storytelling. It's like we need
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  Speaker 1: those people to step up so those that are following
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  Speaker 1: us can do it right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I hope so, man. You know, we do our best,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's so many changes and challenges. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: with what's going on out in California with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with companies that want to move out and stuff, it's
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  Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of, in all honesty, were
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  Speaker 1: the actors. I mean, I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: we got to talk about the actors and how their
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  Speaker 1: lives could shift immediately.
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  Speaker 2: They are shifting. Oh, my God. The business is changing.
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  Speaker 2: So where are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm in Charlotte. We're over here. You know what they
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  Speaker 1: call this area? They always call us the East Coast
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood is what they do with Wilmington and everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: I've been there. I have been there. My mom lived
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  Speaker 2: in Chapel Hill. And so I spent a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years there. In fact, I had an agent in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 2: This is back in the early 90s when I was
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  Speaker 2: helping out when my grandmother was getting old and my
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  Speaker 2: mom was sick.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I had an agent in Charlotte. In fact, the agency
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  Speaker 2: is still there, though it's the daughter who runs it now.
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  Speaker 2: And so I did a lot of filming there. So awesome, man.
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  Speaker 1: So now what are you doing actively when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to opening up the doors for people? Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just looking at everything that you're doing, I'm going, my God,
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  Speaker 1: this guy totally understands. It's about acting, but at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, it's like opening doors for others who want
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  Speaker 1: to step into that area.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess a number of things. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for one, I teach, you know, uh, um, and for another,
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  Speaker 2: I am a national chair, uh, of a SAG-AFTRA committee. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and then for another, I am myself an actor, you know, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: trying to work and get through my own career. Uh, um, and, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I think all those three things and, uh, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and I'm a member of the community. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think that the thing that's really important is that
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  Speaker 2: we are a community. Yes. And and I think that
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  Speaker 2: is something that's not really talked about very much.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say all those things. But I think
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  Speaker 2: community is much more important than people really give it
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  Speaker 2: credit for, especially when we are creative and we need
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  Speaker 2: to have other creative support people as well as people
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  Speaker 2: we can support, you know, go see their their stuff go,
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  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? All of that, be
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  Speaker 2: able to communicate. And, and, and so I, I just
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  Speaker 2: think that that is much more important than it's given
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  Speaker 2: credit for.
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally with you on that because I mean, in
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  Speaker 1: my early days of radio, you didn't work at a
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  Speaker 1: radio station unless you were connected to some sort of
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  Speaker 1: nonprofit organization. You had to be a member of a
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  Speaker 1: community organization or you had no microphone that you could
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  Speaker 1: speak through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So did you always do radio down there?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Montana, so I started in radio
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  Speaker 1: at the age of 14. So all of these chapters later,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen, I've gone from 45s to a
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  Speaker 1: digital computer, setting things up to no longer even touching
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  Speaker 1: music anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting. I, um, I became close with. Did
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  Speaker 2: you know Tom Lawrence at all?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that name sounds very, very familiar. It's one of
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  Speaker 1: those words like we've become that generation. If I see
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  Speaker 1: a picture. Yeah, that's him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was, I guess, the news in
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  Speaker 2: in Raleigh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know. in the triangle and, uh, his daughter, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Sharon is a very well-known actress and, and Tom was
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  Speaker 2: in a play that I directed down there. Uh, um,
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  Speaker 2: and so we became close, you know, so, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: but anyway, very cool dude.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about teaching, because I'm also a
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  Speaker 1: broadcast instructor, one of the things that I've spent, Oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: I've spent the past couple of years really talking about
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  Speaker 1: is these students that come in that want to learn
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  Speaker 1: already think they're stars. How are you dealing with that?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's a hell of a struggle for me because
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  Speaker 1: they think they're the big time right now.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Well, I mean, honestly, man, why put up with it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love you. You're so right about that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, that's my thing. I'm just like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: You know, if that's what you want, you can find
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  Speaker 2: somebody else to tell you you're great. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: tell you exactly what's going on, exactly what I see. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I've had people like that over the
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  Speaker 2: years who and, you know, and I want to be
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  Speaker 2: really clear. You know, I love ambition and I push
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  Speaker 2: a lot of my people think higher, you know. think better,
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  Speaker 2: you know, go for the top, go for as much
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  Speaker 2: as you can get. Don't just, just settle and say, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to do small parts and work my
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  Speaker 2: way up. No reach. Yes. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: the one thing I say, which is really important is
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  Speaker 2: you gotta be good. And I think sometimes that's, and
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  Speaker 2: that takes work. And that is the step that these
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  Speaker 2: people that you're talking about, uh, um, You know, that's
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  Speaker 2: the step that they want to skip because it's hard work.
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  Speaker 2: It's very hard work.
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  Speaker 1: That's so interesting you say that because I always tell
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  Speaker 1: people that the biggest mistake of my life was coming
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  Speaker 1: from Billings, Montana to Charlotte. They go, why would you
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  Speaker 1: say that? And I go, because I skipped all those markets,
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  Speaker 1: 235 all the way up to market number 37. I said,
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  Speaker 1: I missed a lot of education. They don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: But I understand it because I did. It would be
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  Speaker 1: like going, I'm doing a play in Billings and here
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  Speaker 1: I am in L.A. and I'm going to star in
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  Speaker 1: this play and I'm going to be the greatest thing. No,
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  Speaker 1: you're not, dude. You didn't go through the ranks.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay. I think this is the thing I'm talking about,
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  Speaker 2: about going through the ranks. You know, I think it
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  Speaker 2: depends on what you're doing. Right. But, sorry, man. If
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  Speaker 2: you can... move to a big market, do it. Because unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: here in these lovely United States, we revere those who
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  Speaker 2: quote unquote make it and are not really fans of
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  Speaker 2: the journeymen, you know? Right. And so I think that
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  Speaker 2: if you can make those moves, great. But at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, you got to learn your business.
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  Speaker 2: So jump wonderful means somebody believed in you and you
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  Speaker 2: have the talent. But at the same time, I think
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  Speaker 2: I want to say, hey. You know, learn your business.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead and jump and get yourself a coach. Go
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  Speaker 2: back and learn what you missed along the way. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone, all the big people use coaches. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the other thing that people don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: And I go through this sometimes when people are like, well, no, man,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I went to college. I don't need a coach.
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to be in a class. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: it's an art, man. It's a craft. You got to
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  Speaker 2: keep working at it. They're like, no, you can't get
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  Speaker 2: out of that. You can't teach that. People have to
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  Speaker 2: be open to that. Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: You just, you can't. You know, I have somebody literally
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  Speaker 2: who's leaving one of my classes right now. And it's
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  Speaker 2: exactly that. She thinks, do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: She thinks that she is better than she is. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. You know, I mean, you got
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  Speaker 2: to do the work. And, you know, I'm not criticizing her.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, God forbid she does that. achieve what she
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  Speaker 2: wants to achieve. Great. I don't see it per se
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  Speaker 2: because of, because of the way she's working, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have to find that out on your own.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, people make their choices.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see in everything that I've studied
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  Speaker 1: about you. I would love to see more business leaders
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  Speaker 1: take your classes because as we develop into this, this
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  Speaker 1: Tik TOK generation with Instagram and all of these videos
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  Speaker 1: for these major companies, They need to know how to
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  Speaker 1: act and they need someone like you for you to say, look,
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  Speaker 1: here's the situation. And because, I mean, they don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to act and it becomes a dud rather than
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  Speaker 1: a celebration.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I actually it's interesting you say that
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  Speaker 2: because I've actually recently done a couple of podcasts with
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  Speaker 2: a couple of people who also, you know, are very
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  Speaker 2: big in the business world. And I do think that
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  Speaker 2: there are lessons, you know, one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: we've had in our business over the last sort of 15,
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  Speaker 2: 20 years is a lot of good lessons for actors
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  Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, managing your own careers, you know, using,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sort of the salesman idea that every no
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  Speaker 2: is just an opportunity for a yes. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how you can look at numbers and, you know, and, and,
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  Speaker 2: Use business stratagems to help manage your career for actors
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  Speaker 2: who in the past have been very unique. used to
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  Speaker 2: um or or you know just sort of having agents
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  Speaker 2: and stuff do it but that's not how the world
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  Speaker 2: is nowadays you know so you know you have to
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  Speaker 2: do stuff for yourself but by the same token you
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  Speaker 2: I think the business world could really use a lot
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  Speaker 2: of us. You know, are they going to be open
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  Speaker 2: to it? You know, I mean, that's at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, you know, you probably spend more time
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  Speaker 2: in the business world than I do, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: are they listening? You know, are the people that matter listening?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think that's the key. I think at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, I think sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes making a certain amount of money has a tendency
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  Speaker 2: to close your mind and your ears to, and it
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  Speaker 2: can be in any field, creative, business, or whatever, to
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  Speaker 2: what you're trying to accomplish. And then it also changes
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  Speaker 2: your goals. Your goal now becomes about making money, not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily about being effective or delivering the product well or
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  Speaker 2: this or that or the other.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more on the way with
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  Speaker 1: Rob Brownstein coming up next. You got to check this out.
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  Speaker 1: You really do. It's an actor's space in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: You can get it on Google. Just go to chat GPT.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to find out a lot about Rob and
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  Speaker 1: his passion to bring the art forward. I stole a
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  Speaker 1: page totally out of Hollywood in the way of all
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  Speaker 1: or so many of these actors, you know, really started
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  Speaker 1: out in small jobs at restaurants or grocery stores and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Well, I had to go do it
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  Speaker 1: because I wanted to know what was going on. And
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  Speaker 1: it gave me such great places to learn character development
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  Speaker 1: because I'm watching real people. And all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: now I'm going to impersonate those people because they've got
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  Speaker 1: great character.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yes, except you're not impersonating those people. You're taking
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  Speaker 2: those qualities onto yourself. That's what makes it cool. That's
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  Speaker 2: what's fun about it. We're not playing other people. We're
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  Speaker 2: taking those qualities onto ourselves so that we become those people.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? A version of ourself that
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  Speaker 2: is those people. So it's very cool. So I appreciate that, man.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me about you. Tell me. So you do
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  Speaker 2: radio and business consulting?
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  Speaker 1: No, basically what I do is I'm one of those
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  Speaker 1: people that, you know, I got into radio at such
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  Speaker 1: an early age. And then as I went through the
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  Speaker 1: ranks of terrestrial radio for the past 47 years, it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those. It's like, well, what would I have
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  Speaker 1: done differently? And the thing is, is that I wish
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  Speaker 1: I would have had those coaches like you talk about.
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  Speaker 1: You had program directors and you had general managers and consultants.
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't understand the performance. And that's the thing
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  Speaker 1: that I feel like it's like, okay, so what are
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  Speaker 1: you going to do about it, dude? And I said,
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  Speaker 1: then I'm going to teach people to perform. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to show them that it is a connection.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's important. I mean, we have that.
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  Speaker 2: We have studio people and executives who have no clue.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they just understand numbers. That's it. Yeah, they do. Yeah. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think maybe it's it's, you know, at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, I mean, not that I want
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  Speaker 2: to watch too philosophical, but, you know, maybe that's the
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  Speaker 2: the the conundrum or the question of the day, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is it just numbers or do we really want to
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  Speaker 2: be effective, you know, in this world, you know, as a.
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  Speaker 2: you know, as a person, as a company, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as a, you know, whatever, as a nation, as a government,
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  Speaker 2: you know, however you want to put it, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that I pulled from your writing
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  Speaker 1: and your studies is the fact that, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: landing the career is one thing. Sustaining it is the
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  Speaker 1: next level. How many people walk away because they think, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I had to, I just, it was just taking too
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  Speaker 1: much time in my life. I'm going, Oh, you missed
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  Speaker 1: out on the biggest thing here, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, man. But, you know, I think that's in everything.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting. Perception is so interesting, you know.
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  Speaker 2: You know, 20 years ago, I'm like thinking, trying to think,
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  Speaker 2: was it 20 years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, about 20
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  Speaker 2: years ago, while I was back in North Carolina, I
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  Speaker 2: taught a class at UNC in Chapel Hill. Nice. And
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  Speaker 2: I had a student who went to New York and
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  Speaker 2: was just, couldn't stop working. You know, for two years,
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  Speaker 2: could not stop working. And then one day he called
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  Speaker 2: me and he said, hey, man, I just want to
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  Speaker 2: call you and tell you that I'm letting go of acting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, oh, okay. But he didn't sound like
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  Speaker 2: bitter or upset, you know, and I knew he'd been
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  Speaker 2: working because he'd kept in touch with me, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, well, tell me. And he said, look, man,
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  Speaker 2: I love this. I love the work. I love doing it.
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  Speaker 2: He said, but... Over the last two years, I've done
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  Speaker 2: five shows, you know, and and he said, each show
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  Speaker 2: is a brand new family and then they're gone. And
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  Speaker 2: he said, and what I've come to learn is that
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  Speaker 2: I really want. the same family every day he said
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  Speaker 2: he said he said I'm gonna go home to Michigan
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  Speaker 2: I think it was I may be wrong about that
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  Speaker 2: and um and he said and I'm really happy he
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  Speaker 2: said because and and he said I'm not upset or
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  Speaker 2: sad or anything he said because what I've learned is
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  Speaker 2: what I want in life I don't know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to do for a career. For all I know,
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  Speaker 2: I might run a theater. Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know. He said, but I want that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I want that kind of stability. So I
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  Speaker 2: always think of him as a huge win for me
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  Speaker 2: as a teacher because he felt that, and he said that,
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  Speaker 2: he said, and the reason I'm calling, and I said
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  Speaker 2: to him, I said, why are you calling me? And
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  Speaker 2: he said, because I think you're the only one of
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  Speaker 2: my teachers who would understand. Yeah, right. And understand that
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  Speaker 2: it's a win. And I said, yeah, well, I totally
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. So, you know, having said that, it's not
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  Speaker 2: an easy career, you know, but I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: careers are anymore, you know, you know, and, and, but
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  Speaker 2: I think to stick to it and to have longevity
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  Speaker 2: without becoming a star. And even then I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we follow star stories and, and TV star store, you know,
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  Speaker 2: where they're, you know, they don't work for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years and then they do and this and that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, my, One of my acting teachers used to
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  Speaker 2: talk about... I think it was Ned Beatty. Oh, yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I forget. It was either Ned Beatty or Charles Dernier.
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  Speaker 2: I'm forgetting which one. Who didn't work... I think it
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  Speaker 2: was Ned Beatty who didn't work for 11 years. You know?
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't get arrested for 11 years. You know? And then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, got back, I think, you know, and then
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  Speaker 2: got back in. You know, I can't remember if it
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  Speaker 2: was network or if it was after network, whatever it was. So...
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  Speaker 2: But I think the thing is, A, you got to
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  Speaker 2: be committed to it. And B, you got to love it.
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  Speaker 2: And you got to be willing to stick to it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that has more to do with
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  Speaker 2: who you are as a person. I think some people
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  Speaker 2: drop by the wayside because it is a lot of work,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it does take tenacity. And, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and it does take being willing to take risks, which
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: sometimes we're not as people. And I understand it, man. Listen, man,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I live in L.A. and I know I know that
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Charlotte is not L.A., but I know that it's gotten
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: super expensive. Yes. Compared to when I was there. You know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, dude, I don't I don't know what you
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: were paying when you got out of college. But, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: my first apartment was. When I got out, I can
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: tell you, my very first was $ 150. That's about right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: But I was subletting. That's it. And then my first
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: apartment of my own was a sort of studio with
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: an extra room. And it was $ 265 with gas and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: electric included. And this was in New York, where I'm from. Wow.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: So so somebody now getting out of college is lucky
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: to be able to find a half an apartment for
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: twelve hundred and sixty five dollars, not including class and electric,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: you know, more probably fifteen hundred. So, you know, risks
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: have other meanings, especially as you get older, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: and you want to raise a family and things like that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: So I just feel like. It's so easy to say
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: people fall by the wayside. You know, I feel like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: some people, they're not going to stick to it. That's
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: one thing. Do you know what I mean? It's just
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: too difficult for them. You know, they need, you know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: they need security or they need other stuff or they
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: just don't have the desire to do the work it
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: takes to be as good as you want to be,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: which is the thing about any art. You know, if
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: you're a musician, dude you got to practice all day long.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: You know that's so true i mean my.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Daughter's a musician a jazz musician you know i never
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: had to tell her to practice ever when she was
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a kid she just practiced do you know you know
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: i i never had my you know sometimes athletes you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: or stuff, they win a, you know, a race and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: they thank their parents for pushing them, you know? So,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I pushed her a little bit, but I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: never had to tell her to practice, man. She did
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that on her own, you know? And that's how I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: knew that that's what she wanted to do in life. And,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and do you know what I mean? So, so things
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: are hard. I mean, being a doctor is hard. You
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: got to, you got to, every year you have to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: take classes to be a doctor or A lawyer, a veterinarian,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you have to stay up on the latest medical stuff.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? So I feel sometimes
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: like we don't recognize those challenges. Or celebrate them.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we should celebrate those challenges as well.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: That is a great thing. That is something I talk
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to my guys about a lot is celebrate, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: celebrate those milestones. Dude, you got so close to a
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: huge role, man. You were number two. You were on hold.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: You didn't get celebrated, man. Don't feel depressed. You know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you were the number two guy. The next one's going
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to be you, you know. So it's interesting, isn't it?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I love your honesty, and that's the thing about it,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: is that if we can just get more people to
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: be more honest with themselves, because that is such a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: strength to have in the entertainment industry. And really, even
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: with Spielberg saying that, yeah, the next big movie people
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: are going to be the influencers. They're bringing us a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: fresh new appeal. It's like, I think they still need
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: acting skills, do they not?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Well, they do, but he is correct in that sense.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: But it's also... You know, as we go more and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: more back to a studio system, you know, where, you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: four companies or three companies run the world. Oh, yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You know, then that means that, you know, they control,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you know, what the bigger projects are. So you have
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: an opportunity now to create your own stuff, which is
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: kind of what happened in the 70s. You know, with,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of, you know, what we call
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: independent films and stuff like that, like Repo Man and,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, Eraserhead films that are such classics now,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and these great directors when they start out,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: you know, she's got to have it, you know. Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love Spike Lee's story, you know, where
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: he put his first film on his parents' credit card. Yes.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, that's another thing, you know, faith.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: That you've got to have faith from your support system,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: from your family, you know, that you can do it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times, and this is an age-old
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: thing for artists of any kind, is, you know... Is
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: your family, partner slash spouse, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, wife, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: do they support you in this endeavor no matter how
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: hard it gets? Oh, yeah. You know, and so, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: these are issues, you know, and it's tough. It is
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: really tough. But I do think you hit the nail
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: on the head, man. I think in anything, it's that honesty,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: being able to be objective about yourself as an artist,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I think is what makes it. for people, you know, I,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to say this and you might,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you might want to erase it at some point. Uh,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: but you know, there's a lot of actors that, um,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you know, well-known actors that people like to complain about,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: you know? Um, I think like one right now is
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney, you know? Oh, she's only, she's only this because,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you know, she looks a certain way. Right. Dude. Who
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: gives a shit? That's right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: She's a fucking star, man. Yes. You know, she rose
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to the top of the game. Now, you can you
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: can complain and this and that and the other. But
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you know what? She did her job. She found her way.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And I guarantee you that no. dog. No, calm down.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you that she has talent. You know, she
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: had to beat a lot of people out who are
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: also very good looking people, you know, to at least
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: get those opportunities to become someone that people hate. Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You know, where can people go to find out more
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: about everything you're doing? Because I mean, wow, just 25
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: minutes with you is just not going to be enough. What,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: where can they go?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, man. Well, I have– my class website
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: is anactorsface.com or robbrownstein.com. And, you know, I'm on some
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: of the socials. I'm on Facebook and Instagram. You know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I have a perhaps presence on TikTok coming up. But
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: those are– I'm learning, you know, I'm tiptoeing. So, but anyway, yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that's my story.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, you got to come back to this show
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: anytime in the future. I love where your heart is.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I love where your passion is. And the fact that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you want to teach it just blows me away because
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that is speaking my street.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate it, man. Look, reach out anytime. You know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you know, you got Merrill's thing or me. Just reach out.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I'll do it. You know, I'll come on anytime. All right.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I'll do it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today. OK, sir.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks, man. You do the same.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you.