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8. Tall Men Love Buffy with Susannah Corrington · Spooky Butt

• speaker-0: Mm. Mm-hmm. speaker-1: Welcome Spookybutt. I'm Claire, your very fearful host, and today in Spooky Butt Studio, I have Susanna Corrington. Susanna Corrington is an actress, singer, and comedian based in Los Angeles. She has an extensive background in musical theater, improv, and sketch comedy. Her work spans film, television, live stage, and voiceovers. Right now you can catch her as Beatrice in Much Ado About Nothing at the Olive Branch Theater in Santa Clarita. You can also see her as Willow Rosenberg. And once more with feeling, Buffy the Vampire Slayer Parody Musical Live at Three Clubs Hollywood. Susanna Corrington, welcome to Spookybutt. speaker-0: Hey Claire, thank you so much for having me in your spooky spooky space. It is nice to be here. speaker-1: ⁓ my God, I am obsessed. So for a little bit of context for listeners, we met back in our Chicago comedy days. However, we're both from St. Louis and we both went to all girls' high schools. I was kind of thinking about it. I was like, why didn't we meet when we were in high school? Because we were both like into theater and all that stuff. And then I realized it's because I never did shows at the boys' schools, whereas you did, right? speaker-0: Yes, we did. see that yeah that's the thing I was gonna say because why would we ever go do shows at the girls' schools but then it didn't even occur to me. I don't even think about boys anymore. I don't know at all. Like it's very much just like, ⁓ yeah the guys. ⁓ it must be because also like I'm sure that you were doing your school's like musical for the year. Like that's the one that you do and then the shows that you do are timed. Like it was I know Viz and Dismet, the two schools, not to reveal too much, ⁓ that did a lot of shows. Like they did one and the other. So like the musical at the girls' school was in the fall, and the musical at the boys' school was in the winter. And so, like, if you wanted to do more straight theater, which I was such a musical theater kid, like through and through, that I was always trying to hop and find which which stage could I sing on instead of just talking. speaker-1: ⁓ okay. speaker-0: But it is very bizarre that in such a small space where so many artists know so many people that we did not interact. speaker-1: Yeah. It's it's weird and ⁓ 'cause there were times like you talked about Desmet that ⁓ we had mostly at my school we had boys from Desmet who would be in our, you know, musicals and plays. ⁓ but I never did make it over to Desmet 'cause I remember hearing about the ⁓ the ⁓ do we want to call him the creative director at that school? The priest. Yes. speaker-0: Director the priest who was in charge of the program? speaker-1: Yes. ⁓ my god. ⁓ I I just heard he was ⁓ he was particular. Nicely. speaker-0: You know, to put I'm a particular kind of gal and I loved him. ⁓ I I feel he was definitely more suited for a university setting than a high school setting. ⁓ if you did theater as a fun thing, like to just blow off steam or have something to do after school, you weren't gonna have a good time with this particular priest. But if you like speaker-1: ⁓ okay. Interesting. Okay. speaker-0: really came in off book, knew your stuff, he would challenge you and like I don't know, I I I enjoyed him but he liked me, so it's tough to say. speaker-1: God, that's so wow, my perception has totally changed. Cause I remember, like, of course, being around other dramatic teenage girls at my school, they would come in and just like complain about him. And then I knew, like, I mean, I was so undisciplined in high school that I would have been just like ripped to shreds. And I just I was very delicate. I wouldn't have been able to handle that. But that's cool though that he like kind of helped set you up in that way. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. And like, you know, that I feel like that's a thing with a lot of creative teachers, you just have to find you have to find the ones that are gonna focus on the pieces that you want to expand. Like you know, and some spaces are just not meant for that, like a high school network. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. In the middle of the country. In the middle of the country. No, that's so funny. ⁓ so I do like as kind of a way to also like kick this off, I did want to get kind of into your dubbing experience off the bat. ⁓ Because I think this is so interesting. ⁓ so you've worked in the dubbing space for a bit now, and you've worked as a producer and actress, and most recently as a director. So what I do wanna know is how did you get into this ⁓ in the first place? speaker-0: ⁓ like most things in my life, I just kind of fell. Just fell right into it. ⁓ I was working at a theater that produced musicals specifically, and the person who was in charge of it was kind of messing with equity rules and and playing games with the union that I wasn't comfortable with. ⁓ and at the time I was stage managing and understudying for a musical that was happening that was being directed by a very ⁓ ⁓ prolific, I suppose, anime director, ⁓ who just happened to love Little Shop of Horas and wanted to come direct this show. And I like gave him a call and was just like, I just want you to know that like I'm gonna finish out this show with you, but it will be my last one at this space. I'm done. ⁓ but thank you, like it has nothing to do with you, blah, blah. You know, the things that you do to save your relationships when you are cutting ties in the arts industry, which is so stressful. ⁓ and he actually called me back a few days later and said, Hey, ⁓ there's this company called Dubbing Brothers and they need a production coordinator and I think he'd be really good for it. Do you want to come try it out? So I came, I sat in for a day, was hired and then did a like retroactive interview to make sure that I was actually qualified after I had been doing the job. ⁓ and then I worked there for a couple of years. ended up stepping away to pursue acting and all the things and then COVID hit. ⁓ which kneecaps everybody. Right. And in 2022 I got a call because the new operations manager of Dubbing Brothers LA had so happily gotten pregnant and was on her maternity leave and they needed some help in the department. And then I stumbled back into it for another four years as a producer. which was great, but I was so tired. speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: ⁓ so in July of last year I gave a ton, a ton, a ton of notice, and my last day was the day before Thanksgiving. And in the time since then, I've trained to write ⁓ the adaptations for the English dubs, and I've been directing the English dubs. So it's kind of been this decade-long, I don't know, teeter-totter of where I'm going to be within the industry. But right now I've landed on directing and writing and it's a lot of fun. I really enjoy it. It's it's very theater adjacent, weirdly. But that's that's how I got here. Just stumbled. But I feel like everyone in the dubbing industry just kind of stumbled into it. Like I don't know anybody who's doing dubbing because they were like, this is what I wanted. Unless They are international because dubbing is huge in other countries. Like European countries, you go to school for subtitling. There are majors, like you can go to school for just that, for localization and transliteration. And it's very, very, very cool. speaker-1: ⁓ that's amazing. I yeah, I didn't know that. But ⁓ so like you okay, you moved into like the directing and writing space, which is awesome because you come at it from an actor's perspective. So now that you're you've stepped away from dubbing brothers, when you direct and write, are you doing that like independently or are you working with like specific studios for that? speaker-0: So I do still work with Dubbing Brothers sometimes. essentially the the studios have their like production teams and then they are hiring freelance directors, writers, actors, ⁓ to do the lion's share of the creative work. and so I have been hired now at several studios to do these three different roles. ⁓ but it is very much me working for them. as a freelancer, not necessarily as an employee. speaker-1: ⁓ okay. Interesting. That's ⁓ that's so cool how it was like, yes, you stepped away from the production coordinator role, but then it kind of evolved into the directing and writing space. That's really interesting. speaker-0: Totally. And like I honestly, it's more that like the producing was not fueling my creative juices. Like my my my brain was kind of starting to shut down. I was getting into that like burnout mode a little bit. And I started doing actually Shakespeare readings at a bar. ⁓ a friend of mine has a company that he started called the Southern Bard. And they do all their Shakespeare with a Southern accent. speaker-1: ⁓ my god. speaker-0: So much fun. And he actually we can blame him. His name is Mike. ⁓ Mike has ⁓ single-handedly took me out of dubbing by reminding me that I like to be on stage. ⁓ cause he called me and said we're doing taming of the shrew I really want you to play Kate. Will you do it? And from that moment on I was like, ⁓ yeah, I so prefer to actually get to express myself creatively rather than do the spreadsheets that support the creative work. ⁓ speaker-1: So speaker-0: And so that journey really just like woke me back up and made me realize that I was going to have so much more longevity in dubbing if I moved over to that side and got to put that effort and energy into telling those stories from the creative side. speaker-1: Right. And so you've also had experience when it comes to dubbing as a voice actor. ⁓ so what is that process like? Because I imagine that that has to be pretty challenging to try to like sync up with like mouth movements and all of that. speaker-0: And this is where your director and your adapter, your writer are so, so important. The the writer is essentially getting what is called like a pivot dialogue. So they'll the the client will provide a script that has the original language, and then they'll give you a a ⁓ translation that's pretty like rough English, you know, just literal. and they're speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: there is this role for the writers, which is the adapter, where their job is not only to rewrite the characters to be, you know, character appropriate, so that if you have a lawyer, they're not saying how come? Or if you have, you know, making sure that your royals aren't saying dude. Like there are different pieces that you have to bring in to to voice and to to character ⁓ building in general, but you also have to honor those lip movements. So I'm someone who really likes lateral word association games. So like Scategories, big one for me. ⁓ Blatheround on Jackbox, big winner. And like the the crossword puzzle mind or the wordle mind is exactly the type of person who is good for this job. Because they're coming up with the synonyms That still fit the tone of the show, that still fit the the sentence of of what's been said, so that you can keep the same meaning, but try to match that mouth shape. So like never in my life did I think I would become so obsessed with labial mouth movements, but that is ⁓ that is the thing. That's what it's called. When you like when your lips touch together, that's a labial movement. I know, very fun. ⁓ speaker-1: We try not to laugh. speaker-0: Yes, I know. It's ⁓ it did take me ⁓ quite some time to ⁓ not giggle at it always. but the the actor theoretically should be getting into the booth with a script that is already sculpted to match those mouth movements as closely as possible. And depending on which studio you're working at, you might have Kind of a freebie where you're doing what's called beeps and cues, where you'll hear like three little beeps in your ears, and then you'll try to hit the timing of the line and match the lip sync on a screen from you know a script on a music stand or something. Or you might be working with a rhythmoband, which is kind of like I feel like it's one of those things that's really, really great as a tool. But I think that when you learn on the rhythmoband, you don't have the skill as inherent as when you learn from the beeps and cues, because it's kind of like it's just a little bit easier because it's like karaoke, where you have the video that you are trying to to voice, and then you have the lines directly underneath it, and they pass as the video goes by. So it's unreal. speaker-1: That's awesome. speaker-0: Like truly like karaoke, but moving karaoke. And that particular tool has allowed the industry to like explode. There is no way that we could be working with the volume of dubbing material that we have if we did not have a rhythmoband. which is like some of the coolest tech you've ever seen. And it's very, very hard to describe in a podcast form. ⁓ But they used to literally have a roll of film that ran at the same frame rate as the video. And there would be someone who would write it out in cursive on this band. Wow. And they would have a machine that would literally put the band under the film video. And it would play both of them projected so that you could play them in real time together. And they had people whose jobs it like like a calligrapher would come in to clean up what the authors wrote so that it fit perfectly. It is It is one of those like rabbit holes that you can get into when you look into dubbing because we just haven't had it here in a way that has had any impact until really COVID. Like when I first started working at Dubbing Brothers, it was 2015. I think between 2015 and 2017, I maybe worked on seven shows, maybe. And when I left in 2020. That's last year. When I left in 2025, I was managing anywhere from 12 to 16 at a time. speaker-1: Wow. speaker-0: And I was of a team of many. So it it really has picked up in a way that ⁓ you wouldn't have seen coming, I guess. speaker-1: Right. And that's that's so interesting 'cause when I finally it's one of those things it's like once I finally heard about dubbing brothers and then ⁓ I started seeing it everywhere. Like I'd have, you know, maybe House of the Dragon or something actually, I don't know if it was House of the Dragon, but something playing and then seeing like, you know, the credits for like the Thai voiceovers and things like that, and you'd see like dubbing brothers. I've seen them everywhere, like Netflix, Hulu, etcetera. ⁓ so yeah, it's just it's crazy. They yeah. They do so much. And that's so interesting too because I think we're like with streaming and whatnot, we're at a time where it's like, yeah, a ⁓ American media is, you know, a juggernaut, but it's also like American audiences want to see international content. Cause there are certain shows that are just killer. I mean, like K dramas and things like that. So it's so cool that we live in a time where like this can be brought over from overseas and people have exposure to it. speaker-0: Totally. And like like my mom loves Korean television now. Nice. She never never would have watched it before I started doing this. And it's also it's been so fun for me. Like I've always been very community driven and like the voiceover community in LA is awesome. One of the most supportive communities of people. The directors are amazing. We literally have a WhatsApp group that's got like ninety people in it and we'll speaker-1: Nice. speaker-0: drop in like, hey man, I'm trying to cast this show and I need someone with this voice print. And then people just jump in, even though we're all casting directors in our own right, we all help each other. And it's so it's so cool to just have everyone's back because we all just want the industry to stay alive. We all just want AI to not be a thing and for us to have work and to do the best work that we can. And like anything that we can do to bring people that we know that are talented, like speaker-1: ⁓ that's great. speaker-0: ⁓ your very first guest, Raquel. I was able to cast her in a dub when I was working at ⁓ Dubbing Brothers a couple of years ago. Did you ever watch Where's Wanda? speaker-1: Is that the was that a German show? I I have not seen it because I didn't know if it was gonna get like picked up or not. speaker-0: ⁓ it is well, it's on Apple. Okay. ⁓ it is it is there now. ⁓ she's phenomenal. Okay. She's so good. She's so good. She's so good. But the whole show is so good. And it's one of those that like I would have missed it. If I hadn't worked on it, I never would have known that this show existed. And it is like on par with the comedies that I am watching on, you know, HBO and speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: other other streaming services, I guess. Now, I don't know, but you know, it it is of the caliber of the things that I like to watch and re-watch. And I never would have been exposed to it if I didn't work in the industry. speaker-1: ⁓ that's so interesting. Cause yeah, I remember her like that was I think when she first moved to LA and that was one of her first gigs. So that's ⁓ my god, that's so cool. ⁓ and then of course when I think of like popular German shows, I think of that show Dark, which was on Netflix. That show's fucking rad. ⁓ speaker-0: And the community, just to be weird about it, is so, so tiny that the last Shakespeare show I did, the lead actress from Dark was our director. We needed a director and I said, let me call this person. And so it's really just like everybody fueling each other's art all the time. speaker-1: ⁓ nice. That's that's so cool. Cause you also I mean, you hear from people who have spent a long time in the industry and maybe have like moved on and whatnot about, you know, maybe some not great experiences. So that's just fantastic that the voiceover community is just like so supportive and everybody's like each other's hype monsters. That's speaker-0: worth it. It we work too hard to not be each other's hype monsters, I think. speaker-1: Right. ⁓ that's such a good point. ⁓ I did want to talk about one specific ⁓ movie that I saw on your IMDB page regarding dubbing, and that is Studio Ghibli's Grave of the Fireflies. speaker-0: Yes. speaker-1: ⁓ my god. Okay, so I am a massive Studio Gehley fan. I've seen almost all of their films and I was like, man, I need to check out Grave of the Fireflies. Spoiler alert, it is the most upsetting movie I think ever made. ⁓ I didn't cry during it because that's how upset I was. It like pushed past like any registered human emotion, and I was just really quiet for maybe like three weeks after I saw it. So what was it like working on Grave of the Fireflies? speaker-0: ⁓ you know, I I too am a big Keebly person. I like Howl's Moving Castle, one of my favorite movies in the whole world. ⁓ but I had never seen it. And ⁓ I casually so a lot of times when I'm watching something, especially because I was working on it peripherally, I was not the main project manager on this one. They actually have a a ⁓ wonderful project manager at Dubbing Brothers who is fluent in Japanese, she's from Japan. and so she was working very closely with speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: Netflix to to handle that title. ⁓ but I, having been the senior producer there, was adjacent, I guess. and then I did get called in to do some of the townsfolk ⁓ walla ⁓ walla is when you are creating like crowd noises like when people are walking through the town, not the stuff you can hear, but just so that there's some like noise behind. So I did not play like a role role by any means. ⁓ but I was not I was not the producer on that film as much as I would have loved to be. But I had been asked to help out because there's some singing in it. And we were trying to figure out exactly how to get everything s like precisely on that band that we were talking about where the the words are so that ⁓ little kids were singing, because there's two points where the brother and the little girl are singing together and we did hire real children to play these roles and had to have them sing. So I was not prepared for what I sat down to watch, which was ⁓ normally if I'm just powering through something, I'll put it on like two times speed so I can get kind of the plot and then I'll watch it again regular speed if I'm writing it or whatever. And I think I was about five minutes in on two times speed, and I just about had like my brain short circuit. In a way that I I had never imagined because I had no idea. And then I think I just sat in silence for like twenty minutes and realized that I needed to start watching it again. And just kind of powered through it over from the beginning and powered through. but it was like I think I I think I talked about that show. speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: more than any show that I have done, like in the time that I was on it. And it thank goodness it's a show that had already we didn't tell people we were working on it because you can't while you're working on it. Right. ⁓ but because it was a show that d or a movie that had already existed, you know, I can talk about it all I want and I don't have to worry about violating the NDA because as far as people know, I just watched it on platform. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: But man, I think anyone that would listen, I was like, have you ever seen this movie? I think it's the most devastating thing I've ever heard. And it really like focuses on the struggles between like what it is like to actually be a civilian who's going through these things. Isn't this horrible? And like, whoo, Geebly hates war. Hates it so much. And this, I mean, I think I made my mom watch it. It's it's just such an it's such a an unheard perspective. And of course it is, because it's devastating. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: And like it's it's so it's I don't know, man. I I could talk about this movie in a lot of ways, but there's there's that moment where the where they are kicked out of the house because there's not enough ration for the for the kids. And I cannot remember who I was working with, but it was somebody quite, quite young. And they were like, that's just horrible. Like that she would do that. And I just me and the director and like three other people, all of our faces dropped because we were just like, but it's scarcity. That's the whole point. Is that she's not a bad person. She's just thinking about her family. And that's how the whole movie is. Is it's just like the circumstance. It's just these unavoidable that are man-made but unavoidable once you're in them. And like, ⁓ man, sorry. I feel like I'm not being even remotely eloquent and that I'm gonna be very embarrassed by this segment of your podcast. But ⁓ my God. Yeah, what a film. speaker-1: Right. Well, that's like the only way to really react to it. And just it's a really, really brutal film, but it's something I feel like everybody needs to see. ⁓ it is it is excellent. And I one of the reasons I did want to talk about it was because I was curious because the movie originally came out in nineteen eighty-eight. So I was surprised that it was getting dubbed so recently. speaker-0: So it actually, this is the second, I think, time that it's been dubbed. It was dubbed, I don't know enough, but I believe that it was dubbed it Crunchyroll, maybe, but it was done, I believe, in Texas. And then and I could be totally wrong. So, like maybe a fact check here. but ⁓ this is a new cast where they really wanted to stick with like authenticity. They were very careful with casting. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: ⁓ Asian Americans to play the roles. They really wanted us to have kids in the roles, which I think made all the difference in the world. Have a few A, B, the two, ⁓ the two dubs, having a real child. Well, it makes it devastating in a way that you don't need it, but you you do. ⁓ but it it just it really elevated, I think, the impact of the show. speaker-1: Right. Yeah, that's that's so interesting. Yeah, just one hundred percent worth watching. I watched it in the original Japanese with subtitles and it was still devastating, so I c I can't even imagine what the English dub is like. So yeah. speaker-0: But I do have to give props to both of those kids 'cause they slayed, man. They came in and they did such an amazing job. And everybody did a wonderful job. But those kids specifically, that was hard work. speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ that's great. I'll have to I'll check it out once I'm like emotionally ready to rewatch. 'Cause again, excellent, excellent film. It's just it's very it's very heavy. So I do want to switch gears. Okay. And I wanna get into Shakespeare so we can ⁓ change the tone a little bit. So ⁓ I didn't know this about you, but you're something of like a Shakespeare nerd, correct? speaker-0: I mean, I think that's a really strong way to describe it. I hated Shakespeare until I had one class in college that just changed my whole perspective on it. Caroline Lotta at Columbia College is a goddess and she is so passionate about Shakespeare that it is impossible to not also become as passionate as she is. Okay. ⁓ because she had so much fun with the language and dissecting it, and it really just it's contagious. speaker-1: ⁓ Shakespeare fan. Right. Okay. speaker-0: And I actually did a show in Chicago and I did Taming of the Shrew right after college. And I w frankly I didn't have a great experience with it. I didn't like the the take that they were doing and that's such a hard show. speaker-1: Right. Okay. speaker-0: Kind of some ick to it if you do it wrong. and so I I kind of hadn't been around Shakespeare for a while. I did some when I was in Memphis in 2015, 16. And then I that was ⁓ that was kind of it. and it was really my friend Mike who called and was just like, you want to revisit Shrew? It's been a long time, come back. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: Do do Kate, see if you want to do it again. And I had forgotten how much fun I have just dissecting a script, figuring out motivations, looking at what things meant then versus what they can mean now, how we can interpret. And like I I'm a firm believer that like if you have to change the text for it to fit your idea of like your adaptation of the show, then your adaptation doesn't understand the original text. And I've been very lucky to be since I dove back in. Not even like a year and a half ago, ⁓ to be working with people who are of the same mindset. Like we are going to really focus on fitting this text correctly. but the much-adoo that I'm doing right now is set in 2005 at like a college campus. So Shakespeare expert, not necessarily, Shakespeare enthusiast, definitely. speaker-1: Nice. Okay. Okay, hell yeah. Cause I ⁓ kind of like you, I didn't really I was like, fuck Shakespeare, like this is so confusing, yada yada. But then I had a teacher in high school who was extremely passionate about it. And from that class, like I mean, my brain was like all over the place as a teenager, but from that class I could tell like my brain was making connections, and then I was able to just read Shakespeare and understand it. Like I actually literally learned something. But ⁓ What's interesting is we only had that class for a semester, so we didn't get around to studying much ado about nothing. And I realized in prepping for this interview, I've never seen Much Ado About Nothing, and I'm kind of really disgusted with myself right now. speaker-0: ⁓ my god. Well when you're when you're in LA, it will be during the run of this show. So maybe you could come see it. It is a lot of nonsense. ⁓ I I would like to say that this is one of Shakespeare's greatest comedies. Okay. Because it's the most accessible. Like he's got a million comedies that are phenomenal, but this is one that is just it is so universal. It is just about literally it's much ado about nothing. It's just speaker-1: Okay. Hell yeah. speaker-0: gossip and bullshit and then kinda nothing happens except for what you would have expected at the beginning at the end. Like, it's just silly bitches, but I do think that it is one of his I think that it is one of his best shows because it is one of the few with the capacity to actually be really funny the whole time. speaker-1: ⁓ okay. Interesting. I'll have to yeah, I'll have to check it out. speaker-0: It's extra funny when you put a two thousand five lens on it. speaker-1: like do you guys have like hot pink Motorola razors? speaker-0: ⁓ only two of us have hot pink Motorola razors. Okay one person has a purple one and the rest of them are silver. Or they're the LG little flip phones. speaker-1: Nice. Okay. Yeah, okay. So that's historically accurate. I just wanted to check. speaker-0: Historically accurate. Listen, I pulled out the the costumer did send out an email and was just like we are doing two thousands. So if you have stuff that might fit, bring it on in. Because we are usually like Victorian-era costumes. speaker-1: ⁓ okay. speaker-0: This isn't this theater's standard MO. And ⁓ I'm a hoarder. ⁓ I have all the costumes I've ever owned. I feel like you actually can probably relate to this as someone who wore the same thing every single day at high school. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Right. speaker-0: It it was pretty ⁓ pretty hard to not hoard everything that wasn't my uniform. speaker-1: also like like in your industry that's that's a good thing to do, like to have those costume pieces where it's like, hey, you know what, I'm probably gonna need this down the line, so I might as well keep it. speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ and I'm very fortunate that I ⁓ still fit in my jeans from high school. So I am I am doing this play in authentic American Eagle artist jeans. Snoophuggers from like 2005. speaker-1: So yeah. ⁓ my god. Fuck yeah. ⁓ my god, that's so funny. speaker-0: And there's there's one girl who's ⁓ our so Friar Francis is Francine, ⁓ and she is fully wearing like ⁓ my Hollister polos from that time. speaker-1: ⁓ my god, ⁓ man, now I'm getting flashbacks. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it it was very I I brought a Hulkin bag in and was like, I'm a hoarder and all of this stuff is from between two thousand and two thousand six. Have at it. speaker-1: ⁓ god. Man, what a ⁓ man, that's great for the costuming department. They were probably like, ⁓ god send. That's fucking awesome. speaker-0: They also had plenty of things that worked very, very, very well. Very well. But I also have a problem, so speaker-1: ⁓ my god. I do wanna say like so speaking of Shakespeare in like early two thousands, I I do think the best Shakespeare adaptation is Ten Things I Hate About You. It's one of my absolute favorite movies ever. And that's I think that's what got me interested in Shakespeare and that's why I like, I'll take this class. It was my senior year of high school. speaker-0: Hard agree. There's there's actually something about ⁓ Ten Things I Hate About You because they talk about how you know Petruchio and Kate have this super abusive relationship and da-da-da. But I think Ten Things I Hate About You is actually a lot more true to the original interpretation, Shakespeare's ⁓ Taming of the Shrew, because I think, and and this is actually how I got to play it with Southern Bard, which was so fun. speaker-1: Mm, okay. speaker-0: ⁓ that Petrucchio sees that she's being held to an expectation that is not suited to her like personality, that she's kind of like a little punk and she's in this well-to-do family, and she's supposed to be a lady, and she's supposed to be all these things, but she's actually just like a sarcastic little prankster who likes to fuck around and have fun and like. Meg people and do bits and be silly. And in in Ten Things I Hate About You, that's entirely Patrick's goal is to just like he he learns to love Kat through his, you know, getting to know her, but he also like uplifts who she is. He supports who she is and like gets her the guitar, even though like The family doesn't love the guitar thing. You know, that's not they don't care. Like he he really feeds into who she is, which if you follow the script of Taming of the Shrew, Petrucchio is like encouraging her to fuck with people. They're on they're on that like long walk and then there's the guy that shows up and Petrucchio says, ⁓ you have to give him speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Trouble, tell him that he's a woman and see what happens, and then she does it, and then they kiss for the first time or whatever. And I guess they don't kiss, but they you know have their first moment of like seeing eye to eye. And then at the very end, that monologue that everybody talks about isn't actually Kate submitting to Petrucchio and talking about like the folly of women and how they need to be better and how they should serve man. It's a roast, it's her roasting everybody. speaker-1: Yeah. Mm-hmm. speaker-0: When you play it that way, all of that nastiness comes out and you like it just leaves the plot and you just have two flawed people trying to figure out how to build a relationship together. And it's really a beautiful show and a phenomenal comedy. So I too, ⁓ that long story short, also think Ten Things I Hate About You is a phenomenal interpretation of a Shakespeare play. speaker-1: ⁓ that's ⁓ that's great. Cause I've never read Taming of the Shrew, but like I know about it. Whereas with Much Ado About Nothing, not only have I not read it, I've never seen an adaptation, but that's gonna change in like a week and a half. So Yay! ⁓ and so next up we also have ⁓ your show, the Buffy the musical parody. And I have like a little bit of synchronicity around this. So the algorithm a few weeks ago. speaker-0: DO speaker-1: was feeding me Buffy content, which it does because like I'm in on to all the like spooky shit and I'm a millennial and all that. And so there was one video I saw and it was like a deep dive into Willow. And I remember like I would watch Buffy after school, like when I would come home from school and I would kind of like half pay attention to it because there was so much that I just like didn't understand. But I was like, ⁓ I know that this is a cool vampire show. And I just remember like Willow was the character that I should have been the most like drawn to, but I just it's funny because I'm like, man, as a child, I just did not appreciate Willow. And I had that thought. And as I'm scrolling, the ad for your show comes up. And then I see it's like Susanna Corrington as Willow. And I was fucking dying. I was like, you've gotta be kidding me. Incredible. It was so weird. But it's just like, ⁓ this is okay. Okay. I get it. Universe. Okay. We're gonna, we're gonna podcast together about this. speaker-0: Thank you. The the world said these two girls should have been friends in high school and we didn't let it happen. So we're just gonna shove them together in every possible way in perpetuity, which I'm totally cool with. speaker-1: In perpetuity, exactly. ⁓ man. So what's it like playing an established character like Willow? So Willow is like a TV character that people recognize, whereas like with Beatrice, that's you know Shakespearean, you can kind of add your own flavor. So like how is it getting into character as Willow and portraying her? speaker-0: This is kind of I don't want to speak for everyone who does a fandom show because it is, you know, your own experience. Buffy is like a part of my personality. Like I am so deeply in that fandom. Like I've never felt like I was a like a crazy fan by any means. Like I'm not I I'm not deep diving into the actors. I don't really care. But like the show itself, I love the lore. I love every episode. Like I have I can watch it in my head. You lock me in a room, I'm fine. I'll watch Buffy in my head. Like I'm I love this series. speaker-1: Okay. Okay. speaker-0: It kinda isn't that hard for me to ⁓ jump into this character. it also is ⁓ she is one of the main characters in the series. However, Alison Hannigan, I just said I didn't do a dive on the actors, but this is pretty sh like surface level stuff. ⁓ Alison Hannigan does not like to sing. It's like not her thing. She is not a singer. speaker-1: I could see that. speaker-0: nervous she doesn't want to do it so when they said they were doing a musical episode she really put her foot down and was like I'm not I'm not participating she is like one of the main characters in the show but in the musical I mean it's a princess track I have like 11 lines I I I you know they're important they drive the the the story matters willow matters to the story but a lot of it is happening around willow speaker-1: Interesting. speaker-0: two other people and she's just kinda there. so it it's not there's maybe one really emotional moment for her in the show that needs to be accessed. But again, I I I go through those emotions when I watch it. So it's not a not terribly difficult. ⁓ although the casting process for this was literally can you send me your best willow impression? Pick like five lines. speaker-1: ⁓ that's awesome. speaker-0: And this job also came about through dubbing. It was a director that I know through dubbing who said, Hey, I saw a friend of mine is in this Buffy musical and they're casting a few roles. You should email them. And so I emailed them and they said, Awesome, send me a video of your willow impression, and here we are. speaker-1: ⁓ my god. That's so fucking funny and so cool because like I had a feeling I was like I I have a sneaking suspicion that you're a big Buffy fan. And I just I was just kind of out of it and I would always, like I said, kind of half watch it. And there was a lot that I just didn't understand. But that's so cool because it's like you this has to be like so much fun to be able to explore this and experience it. speaker-0: It's so fun, but it's also everybody who is in it loves it. Like it's it's a group of people that are there because they fuck with Bubby. Okay. Like they're just they're just here because this is their show. They're having a great time. Anytime somebody has had to like dri because we weren't expecting a residency, also. That was like not part of the game. This was supposed to just be a one night fun thing. speaker-1: ⁓ okay. speaker-0: Like have a good time, do a buffy thing. We sold out so fast. I guess our bar sales were high enough that the bar emailed our buffy, ⁓ whose name is Kelly Mariansky. She's perfect. emailed her and said, Do you guys want to come back for a residency? And so in our little Instagram group, because we are so casual and unofficial, ⁓ she said, Do you guys want to do it? And most of us said yes. And we speaker-1: ⁓ my god. speaker-0: you know, carried on. Unfortunately there was one person who was just like not available to to continue on. So we did have to replace, ⁓ but then we replaced with a friend of ours who's a big Buffy fan. And so we're just kind of like pulling Buffy people into the fold. And some of us know each other, some of us don't, but now we're all friends. and the the first like the first night that we did this ⁓ we had so many people in costume. We had so many people that were just like singing along at the top of their lungs. This the second night we decided to incorporate a drinking game ⁓ as part of the the like sit down and everybody can, you know, play like every time Buffy rolls her eyes is one of them. Or ⁓ if Dawn Sighs one of them. speaker-1: ⁓ my god. speaker-0: ⁓ there's a bunch more, but basically we've just been kind of finding ways to layer on and make it sillier and sillier and the audiences are just like they're all there out of love. Like it's just it's a little love fest. It's so speaker-1: ⁓ my god, that's so funny because that's literally like the next question I have written down is how are the audiences? And it's like, yeah, it's of course they're fucking rad because it's it's such an intense fun fandom and the show what premiered 30 years ago. Yeah, that's ⁓ my god, that's so cool. Man, I'm pissed because I'm not gonna be in town during one of the shows. speaker-0: Ninety seven almost. Well, what if you come back? Because we have a residence. speaker-1: Right. I don't know, maybe. We'll see. ⁓ yeah, that's ⁓ that's so fun. I'll have to I honestly because when I saw the the Instagram promo reel for it, I didn't realize that there legitimately was a musical episode of Buffy. I thought that it was a joke. And then it's like, no, you guys are actually doing the episode. speaker-0: No, it's it's it's ⁓ it's one of the best musical episodes of television in my opinion. Okay ⁓ a lot of people compare it like to Scrubs in terms of like nailing it. ⁓ I would put it above Scrubs, but I would put Buffy above most things, so it's kind of an unfair scale. speaker-1: ⁓ ⁓ okay, yeah. Mm-hmm. ⁓ so like who is your favorite Buffy character? speaker-0: ⁓ man, that's really tough. I love a bitch. So like Cordelia Chase, Anya Jenkins, probably Anya, I think at the end of the day, would be my favorite character. but it depends on why. You know, like the character that I'm the most excited to see on the screen is probably always Anya. But like I think Spike has one of the most interesting character arcs of speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Any villain or character in general, like he does something incredibly atrocious in season six, but he doesn't have a soul at the time. And yet somehow when he realizes what he's done, even without a soul, he decides to go on a journey for redemption to redeem and reinstate his soul so that he never does anything like that again and can be a better man. And like speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: That's a huge fucking task to undertake when you don't even have a conscience to guide you? What the fuck? Like, I don't know. I feel like that's that's some of the most compelling storytelling for like giving a vampire something besides being driven by evil. Like that's like it's just and like what he did was horrible. I don't know if if you've seen the show or if we need to like trigger warning, but there's a point where he and and Buffy are Kind of having a gross affair where like she's fighting him and fighting him and fighting him until they fuck, and then it just keeps happening over and over again. And he comes in and she's actually really, really injured, and she's fighting him, but she's actually fighting him, but she's not able to fight him. And so he goes a little further than he should, not realizing that this is a and it's it's a very hard. speaker-1: Salt. Mm. speaker-0: Episode to watch. It's called Seeing Red, if anybody ⁓ wants to avoid that episode, which is fair. but it's it's really like it's hard to watch. Like it is a hard, hard episode to watch. But his his acting in that moment, the actor has said that he is like had to go to therapy because of how hard it was to do that scene. Because of the relationship that he had built and the character that he had been until that point. ⁓ and I you know, I'm no expert on Buffy. I am a fan of Buffy. So everything I am saying, please take with a grain of salt. ⁓ speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: But yeah, there's there's just a lot of a lot of very cool stuff. And I also found out recently that a lot of like film and television tropes are named after Buffy things. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Cause I guess Buffy was one of the like kill your gaze trope. Like that's a buffy thing. Don't we love it? Don't we love the kill your gaze trope? It's fucking terrible. ⁓ but they're all things that have like come from like speaker-1: Well. We do. speaker-0: I guess Buffy episodes, but they did revelatory things. They got told that they were only a good show because of their dialogue. And so they said, F that, we're gonna make a new one that has no dialogue in it. So the monster comes to town and he snatches all their voices and they all have to act their way out of the story. Which is a phenomenal episode. It's in season four. It's called Hush. But yeah, there's there's some good shit there. I could I could probably talk about Buffy for too long. speaker-1: ⁓ my god. ⁓ my god, that's so funny. Cause like I was thinking about it, like with you talking about Spike, like I feel like that character and then the actor who, you know, portrayed him, I feel like Spike became an archetype. Like he's just so singular, you know, and it's I feel like TV shows and you know, even video games and things like that that came after, it's like, ⁓ this is some this is something that was built off of Spike. And I did want to say that the actor who portrays him in the parody musical looks fanfucking tastic. I was like, holy shit, this guy looks just like him. speaker-0: Sweet Tommy nails it. I mean he also has jet black hair in real life. Yeah, he found like the perfect platinumizer, I guess. I don't know how you would describe that. But yeah, he looks so good. And he is, he's also big, dude. He's like 6'4. And it is, he he menaces. Boy howdy, does he menace? speaker-1: ⁓ my god, really? Wow, okay. ⁓ my god. speaker-0: This has also been a really fun show because a lot of the guys are very tall. Like our Giles is very tall, our Xander is very tall. And I am a tall lady. So like being being a theater person is tricky because men are never tall enough. But I guess tall men love Buffy. Is that what we're learning? This is the anecdotal evidence I needed. speaker-1: Yeah. I think we are. It is. It's the name of the episode. Perfect. so what ⁓ else can we expect from you? I know you've kind of transitioned into directing and producing dubbing, and then you've got your live shows currently running. So is there anything else on the horizon that ⁓ you're looking into? speaker-0: Perfect. Honestly, right now, this is like my proverbial spaghetti at the wall ⁓ era. So I I couldn't tell ya. I am I am probably going to be stepping away from theater a little bit. ⁓ not because I don't love it, but because Working at a studio for nine hours and then driving to a three to four hour rehearsal and then doing it again five days a week is actually not tenable. but I needed to try it to make sure, you know, really test it out. ⁓ but I probably will continue doing my little staged readings, ⁓ which are just so much fun. and speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: The dubbing directing is kind of where I want to hang my hat for a minute. I'm really having a good time. I feel like dubbing is kind of like the most theater-adjacent film you can do because Much like when you're directing for theater, the framework is already there in a way that you really can't alter. Like you can make creative decisions and you can scare things in a certain direction, but it has to be the framework of the play. It has to be the framework of the foreign show. It's already been filmed. You can't mess with it. You have to just figure out how to make the best secondary version of it that you can, which is kind of like theater. You've got a box, you have to fit in this box. You can't change the origin story of a character. You have to live within the restrictions of that character's pre-existing conditions. And it's it's very it's been very fun for me on like a character analysis scale to get to fully watch an entire thing and then do like a dissertation on each character so that I can then direct in English. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: For that character. speaker-1: Mm. speaker-0: And I I really had a great time on the last one that I did and I would like to keep going. I've been doing this for like six months, so I only have two shows under my belt. speaker-1: That's so cool. Okay, no, that's great because it's like it's just such an interesting way to kind of work out your brain and like kind of put you, you know, in a different point of view and like, okay, here's how I can adapt, here's how I can grow my skills and you know, utilize existing skills and that sort of thing. Man, that's awesome. That's so cool. speaker-0: Yeah, it's it's the analytic brain of a Catholic school kid mixed with the creative brain of an creative, I guess. And and I that's always something I've struggled with because I am like an efficiency expert. I'm a I'm a nutter butter about an Excel document looking nice. I also wanna stand on a stage and tell jokes. So like I th I'm I'm too ⁓ the the duplicity of me, I guess. Duplicity is probably not the right word, but kind of, I don't know. speaker-1: Okay. The duality of man. speaker-0: quality of me. Yeah, yeah. I feel like a lot of us ⁓ a lot of us Catholic kids the recovering Catholic stuff as well are ⁓ in that vibe. speaker-1: So on that note of recovering Catholicism, we have now reached the spooky butt portion of the show. Yeah, I understand you have a plethora of experiences and you've brought some today. so yeah, whatever you'd like to share, let's get into it. speaker-0: Yeah, hey, we never talked about it, but in 1997 my parents bought a haunted hotel in Alaska. so my dad actually had started working in Alaska in the 70s and moved down to a small gold rush town called Skagway in the ⁓ in the 70s as well from Nome. And speaker-1: ⁓ my god. speaker-0: Lived there, had a trading post, and then started expanding, opened a couple of other shops. And in 1997, he and my mom decided that they were going to buy this place called the Golden North Hotel, and open a brewery and ⁓ and have the hotel up and running and operational. And it's very interesting because I I tried to actually do some research ⁓ before this podcast on the ghost, because it is a historic building. and there's so much skepticism out there. And I wanted to make sure that I was giving you like the story, like the actual story, not what I not what my dad told me, not what my mom told me. You know, like what do the books say? Well, the books all say crazy stuff, and none of it is like line aligned at all. ⁓ so what I know is that there was a woman named Mary who came up to Alaska during the gold rush with her partner Ike. and he was going to head up the mountain, try to strike gold, come back, marry her, and live the best life that they could, but he never came back. speaker-1: Mm. speaker-0: ⁓ Mary died in the hotel waiting for Ike of tuberculosis, more than likely. some people say it was room 23, some people say it was room 24. I grew up thinking it was room 24, so I'm just gonna live in the knowledge that it was room 24. But when I was about eight years old, my parents were remodeling our house, and so we had to stay in the hotel. speaker-1: Mm. speaker-0: I remember very specifically that there was one night that the tub was running and the bathroom was locked. And my brother and I were, it was like a twin-bed hotel room that was next to my parents' hotel room. And these are like they're Victorian designed old rooms to, you know, match the gold rush era. and I will never forget that. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: Jimmy was like trying to open the door and I can't remember if my dad or my mom came in, but somebody came in and was like, What is going on here? Because he was banging on the door. And as soon as I think it was my dad, as soon as my dad came in, the door unlocked. And we opened the door and the tub started draining. speaker-1: ⁓ my god. speaker-0: And it's just a thing. That's a thing that's happened and you can't deny it. my mom also has a million stories because she wasn't seven at the time. ⁓ but there are two stories that I think are really phenomenal. One is when ⁓ speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: the the hotel was being remodeled because it had to be there were certain changes that had to be made in order for it to be f like opened as an operational hotel. But then it's a historic building, so there are also different things that had to be kept the way that they were according to the historic district. It was a very complicated remodel, which is I think why it was non operational for so long. and there was one day that ⁓ speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: My mom couldn't find her briefcase. Like, couldn't find it anywhere. And there was nobody else in the building but her and my dad. My dad said he hadn't taken it. And the briefcase had all of the samples of the wallpaper and the fabrics and the things she wanted to put in each room. And it's, you know, big building. Who knows? But she had left it like on the second floor. She had the the briefcase and it just disappeared three days later. She goes up to the third floor and the briefcase has been opened. The swatches are all laid out and they're moved around. So, like, this isn't gonna go in this room, it's gonna go in this room. And it was just totally reorganized. And she was like, Okay, that's what we'll do. Honored the the redecorating of the hotel to whatever this ghost said. Now I am speaker-1: ⁓ my god. speaker-0: firmly convinced that Mary is real, you cannot change my mind. You cannot there are stories of people like, ⁓ well, back when the old family used to run the place, you know, they borrowed my wedding dress so they could pose pictures in the window and make it look like there's a go. Sure, people do that shit all the time. It doesn't negate any of the experiences that have been had in this place. And there are so many to speak of and they've had exorcisms Not for her, for bad ghosts, apparently. ⁓ and they've had like mediums come in and like definitely confirm that there is a a presence there of some kind. ⁓ but I believe like I think that Mary is trying to keep that space as alive and functional as she can. Like I think she is its protector. speaker-1: ⁓ speaker-0: And we we still own the hotel. It is no longer operational. ⁓ because it's a cruise ship town, nobody stays in a hotel. and you know, haven't really felt anything since I was a kid, but I did spend a night there when I was a senior. No, I guess I was like a sophomore in high school when the last Harry Potter book came out. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. speaker-0: And we me and my friends stayed up till the midnight book release and then we went up to the hotel and we all like curled up in the ghost room and read the last Harry Potter together. which was a really cool thing since it wasn't operational, we were able to do that. and nothing crazy happened, but we did have some lights flicking. which could just be shoddy electric. But I am just I am fully convinced that Mary is real and speaker-1: ⁓ wow. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. speaker-0: I am so glad that my mom was smart enough to do what the ghost said and not stubborn with those designs. speaker-1: Yeah, because I've heard of like, you know, certain hauntings where it's like, ⁓ you have to turn, you know, when you're closing for the night, certain lights have to be turned on because like the entity here doesn't like it. But I've never heard something that kind of str like that, I guess, profound or like pronounced of an experience. Like, I'm gonna move all of these swatches around. This goes here, this goes there, yada yada. That is wild. speaker-0: Totally. And I I'm trying to remember the details of something and un unfortunately my mom is ⁓ in the hospital right now. And I tried to reach out and see, but she was just not in the mood to talk about it. ⁓ but she ⁓ she has a story and I cannot tell you exactly what it is, but there was a door to the fire like the emergency exit on the third floor that she had like deadbolted and latched that flew open one day. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: And like she happened to have a bucket with her and she walked to close the door and as she got out there the banister burst into flames. Probably because someone who was working on the hotel was smoking a cigarette and put it out in the hundred and twelve year old banister like an idiot. speaker-1: What the f- ⁓ my god, okay. Jesus. speaker-0: The locked door flew open so that she and she happened to have a bucket with her. And there's just there there are so many little stories like that that she has that I was really hoping to be able to get for you for today. But the the one that I know that has stuck with me is the swatches moving around, because that is bonkers. ⁓ and then of course the bathtub draining when the door unlocked. speaker-1: ⁓ wow. So like d I mean I guess so the since the hotel is still in your family, like do you guys have, I guess, maybe like a caretaker or like does someone just kinda check it out every so often, even though it's not operational? speaker-0: The the building's operational. So the first floor of the building is actually being converted into like retail gift shops. Okay. ⁓ and the hotel is just kind of like a respected little space upstairs. Okay. they have like tried and talked about doing a tour. ⁓ tourism is really a difficult thing right now, I think just globally. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: and the the town itself is so oversaturated with excursions and adventures and all kinds of things that you can do that the the wealth is spread pretty thin. So you open a a a tour, staffing it and actually paying your staff appropriately, getting housing for that staff, like all of that in Alaska is ten times harder than it is anywhere else in the States, except in Hawaii, obviously. speaker-1: Okay. Mm-hmm. speaker-0: ⁓ and so I think that it's just I don't know if it's on the on the docket for it to ever open while my parents still own it. ⁓ but it has been for sale for quite some time. ⁓ If anybody wanted to buy a haunted hotel, I know one. speaker-1: Okay. Mm-hmm. So I have one that I could sell you. ⁓ yeah, that's that's so interesting because like I was thinking about this recently. I love like kind of an atmospheric or like maybe environment-based hunting. Like I love Bayou Spooky and Desert Spooky, and then like the great white north has gotta be so fucking weird. Cause also like in that part of Alaska, don't you guys get like 20 hours of darkness during the winter or whatever it is? speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. It's it's ⁓ the summers are usually when I'm there, so I get the opposite, but it's cool. Like the sun it's in a valley. Skagway is the name of the town. It's in a valley and so then when the sun sets, it kind of just ducks behind the mountains a little bit and then works its way back around to the other side of the mountains and it never actually goes all the way down. Wow. But then in the winter it is dark dark. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. That is so ⁓ my god, that has to be so crazy. speaker-0: No, I've never seen a vampire. And as you know per our earlier discussion, very pro-vampire, very pro that whole thing. So I feel like the ghosts are very real. I'm here for it. But I saw ghosts instead of vampires. So there's still time. You're right. You're so right. Maybe I need to go back in the winter again. speaker-1: I mean, there's still time. Man, so have you ever had any like sort of paranormal experiences in LA? Because LA is just so frickin' haunted. speaker-0: You know, I I haven't. ⁓ but I also think that since I moved to LA, like it's been such a grind that I'm not sure that I am like that my chakra is open enough like experiencing or n even noticing really. I I feel like the the bustle here is so intense that even if you do have some sort of haunting, are you open enough to to receive that? speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. speaker-0: Not. ⁓ I do I know at Dubbing Brothers there's a lot of conversations about ⁓ that space being haunted. ⁓ wow. I I have to tell you, ⁓ I don't I wish I wish it were. I don't think it is. I think I think there's some Wiring in a very old building. Okay. And I like I am such a skeptic about it because if it's real, it's real and you can feel it. And it's not just it's not just a a wonky thing that happens. There is a ⁓ heaviness to a room when you feel a spirit. I in my experience. Like there is a you walk in and something feels wrong. A light doesn't flicker. Something feels wrong. Like Off, maybe not wrong. and so I have I have been in a lot of spaces that people claim are haunted, but I also haven't believed it here. Doesn't mean it can't happen, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just my particular exposure is I'm not so sure. speaker-1: Right. Right. No, I feel that too with like a city as busy as like LA or New York. It's like, yeah, there's a ton of history and there's a ton of activity, but I personally have never witnessed anything. And I think it's yeah, it's like the hustle and bustle of the city. Maybe there is something trying to get my attention, but like I can't I have to keep my head up and like, you know, head on a swivel. speaker-0: god but like if it if it is trying to get my attention like is there something I can do try harder I would love that like I am so here for it it's just I I I don't I I maybe I just don't go to the right places here too. Like I go to job often speaker-1: Go to job, yes. Well, I mean, who knows? Like, 'cause the Buffy parody musical is in Hollywood and Hollywood's probably just, I mean, crawling with ghosts. I mean, there's there's probably some weird stories. I have heard that ⁓ the comedy cellar is unbelievably haunted and that was like a mob hangout back in the day. So that makes sense. speaker-0: I have heard that. I have only been there maybe two times and I did not experience any haunting, but full disclosure, I was not in my right mind. So, and I feel like that's a thing. I feel like ghosts don't mess with you if you're not sober. Like, what's the point? You're just gonna think that it's the thing, you know? speaker-1: Mm. Yeah. I just realized I said comedy cellar, it's the comedy store. I got it wrong. Right? speaker-0: There is a comedy store. Is there a comedy st am I crazy? speaker-1: 'Cause the comedy cellar I think is up in New York. I think I'm getting my cities confused, but though I know the one in LA is haunted as shit. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, I have not I have not experienced that. speaker-1: Crazy crazy. So before we sign off, ⁓ do you have any last words, like anything you'd like to part with? speaker-0: if you live in LA and you want to come see Buffy, it's on September 8th and you should. ⁓ if you don't live in LA and you want to see Buffy, good news it's on Hulu. and the other thing would be stay open to ghosts. Life is better when they can reach you. speaker-1: Hell yeah. speaker-0: That's that's that's what I would say. I I wish I could I wish I could go back to a time when I was much more open for spiritual beings to contact me. But maybe that time will come again and we'll have to do this again. speaker-1: Well ha I mean, you are welcome back anytime. Anytime you have Ooky Spookies to share. speaker-0: Just you watch. Just you watch. I'm gonna get some Ookie spookies for you. But for now you get my childhood spookies and my mother's biproxy spookies. speaker-1: Hell yeah. Absolutely perfect. Well, Susanna, thank you so much for joining me today. speaker-0: Yeah dude, thank you for having me. speaker-1: We can say a spooky goodbye. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to this episode of SpookyButt. Music by Drew Mantia. Artwork by Lauren Seely. Listen to SpookyButt on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Please be sure to like, rate, and subscribe. Follow Spookybutt on Instagram at Spookybutt Podcast. Need to make contact? Send us an email at spookybutpodcast at gmail.com. 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