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The Late Debate | 28 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lateens General Man, welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson
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  Speaker 2: with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. We all know there's
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  Speaker 2: a massive crime crisis in the United States, but police
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  Speaker 2: have started arresting alligators.
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  Speaker 3: Will show you that a little later.
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  Speaker 2: And when we look at the papers, claims that twelve
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  Speaker 2: hundred Chinese spies are operating on Australian soil and school
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  Speaker 2: teachers in far North Queensland have been advised to go
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  Speaker 2: to bed with a duress alarm at hand. We'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about all of that when we get to the papers.
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  Speaker 2: But last night we told you how the Chinese government
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  Speaker 2: was intimidating Australian politicians who attended a pro Taiwanese event
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  Speaker 2: here in Sydney. The Chinese Consulate General sent intimidating emails
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  Speaker 2: to one federal and ten state MPs, warning their attendants
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  Speaker 2: at a celebration for the new Taiwanese Prime Minister risked
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  Speaker 2: harming Chinese Australian relations. Or The email warned our MPs
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  Speaker 2: that their attendants sent the wrong messages to the outside world.
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  Speaker 2: So our politicians have been told you always check with
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party before you accept any invitations to
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  Speaker 2: meet people from your New South Wales electorates. Now, reporting
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  Speaker 2: of all of this, including the emails that were sent
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  Speaker 2: by the Chinese Consulate, these were published in the Daily
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  Speaker 2: Telegraph obviously hit a nerve and embarrassed the Communist Party
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  Speaker 2: because now they've taken aim at the Daily Telegraph firing
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  Speaker 2: off this email to the newspaper. The Consulate General regrets
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  Speaker 2: to see that your news report merely focuses on the
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  Speaker 2: reactions of the relevant MPs. The report also lacks a
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  Speaker 2: comprehensive and objective view of the historical background the legal
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  Speaker 2: facts of the Taiwan question, and misrepresents the original intention
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  Speaker 2: of this Consulate General in sending the email. It goes
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  Speaker 2: on to say, it's hope that in the future you
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  Speaker 2: can conduct news reporting with a professional, objective, fair and
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  Speaker 2: responsible attitude and principle. Fancy that the Chinese Communist Party
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  Speaker 2: being experts on the free press. Now, leaving aside the
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  Speaker 2: fact that that email sounds to me like it was
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  Speaker 2: written with the help of chat GPT Caleb, they're treating
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  Speaker 2: Australian politicians and in the Australian media as if they
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  Speaker 2: answer to the Communist Party already.
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  Speaker 4: Well, as I said last night, we are getting a
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  Speaker 4: taste here of what Australia will be like under Chinese rule.
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  Speaker 4: I mean clearly they think the Daily Telegraph is the
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  Speaker 4: People's Daily or something, which is of course an arm
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  Speaker 4: of the Chinese Communist Party, and they can tell the media,
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  Speaker 4: which in China, of course is state media, exactly what
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  Speaker 4: to say. The hide of the Consulate General to think
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  Speaker 4: it can dictate to not only politicians what events they
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  Speaker 4: should or should not be going to, but now telling
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  Speaker 4: free media in Australia what they should and should not
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  Speaker 4: be reporting on and how they should be reporting on it.
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  Speaker 4: They think think they can do anything they want without impunity.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty obvious and right through all of this is
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  Speaker 4: this underlying threat that if you don't do what we
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  Speaker 4: tell you to do, then you threaten the links between
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  Speaker 4: Australia and China, which of course the Federal government has
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  Speaker 4: been working on repairing since they came to power. What
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  Speaker 4: they're saying is, if you don't do what we want
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  Speaker 4: you to do, well, who knows, maybe we'll cut off
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  Speaker 4: your wine exports again. Maybe we'll cut off your meat.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we'll cut off your barley, your wheat, et cetera,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. It's pretty clear what they're doing. These people
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  Speaker 4: are absolute bullies. We have to understand when we deal
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  Speaker 4: with China, we're not dealing with our friends in Indonesia
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  Speaker 4: or Canada or the US. We're dealing with a communist
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  Speaker 4: country that ultimately will sell us up the river any
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  Speaker 4: opportunity they get in.
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  Speaker 1: The irony of this like, they're not the ones harming Australia.
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  Speaker 5: China regt.
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  Speaker 1: I know by sending these threatening things to sitting MPs.
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  Speaker 1: I love that many of the free press in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: our media outlets. It's nearly on every single front page tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: as you'll see when we get there about the twelve
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  Speaker 1: hundred China spies. So clearly we're not too worried about
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  Speaker 1: upsetting China.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, we rather like it.
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  Speaker 1: But speaking of upsetting Australia, years ago, I started reading
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  Speaker 1: the Global Times because of course nothing is published by
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  Speaker 1: the CCP that hasn't been run through the Ministry of Truth,
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  Speaker 1: so it's their.
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  Speaker 5: Direct line to the people of China.
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  Speaker 1: They regularly refer to Australia as gum on their shoe
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  Speaker 1: Canberra is just a small dog running around yapping after Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Our MPs don't even know what they're doing. We just
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  Speaker 1: follow America. They have a few points of truth there,
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  Speaker 1: but it is ridiculous how insulting their press is to Australia.
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  Speaker 5: On the daily.
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  Speaker 1: I read it as comic relief because it's actually hilarious
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  Speaker 1: the way they speak about us, our MP's, our country
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  Speaker 1: and how we're such a little consequence.
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  Speaker 5: And they're the real bosses in town.
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  Speaker 2: So with this sort of bullying and intimidation of our
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  Speaker 2: media and of our politicians, what are the chances that
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  Speaker 2: the Australian government will haul the Chinese ambassador in and
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  Speaker 2: give him a good dressing down and tell him this
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  Speaker 2: is a democracy, this is not how we operate.
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  Speaker 4: About as much chance as me saying I hate jumps racing,
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  Speaker 4: I suspect, But can you imagine, like the PMO writing
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  Speaker 4: off to China and so we weren't very happy with
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  Speaker 4: that report you put in the Global Times or the
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  Speaker 4: People's Daily about our country. I hope next time you
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  Speaker 4: can deal in fair and accurate reporting. It would never happen.
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  Speaker 4: China would write back and say, who the hell do
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  Speaker 4: you think you are well.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison did say he wasn't that happy about COVID
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  Speaker 2: and look where that got.
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  Speaker 4: Well exactly. But this is what they're threatening is that
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  Speaker 4: if you do anything we don't like, be retribution for it.
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  Speaker 4: And we've been there before and we know how damaging
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  Speaker 4: it was to us economically, and now they're threatening to
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  Speaker 4: do the same thing over some MP is going to
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  Speaker 4: celebrate the inauguration of a new president of Taiwan. If anything,
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  Speaker 4: it indicates to us why we should go harder in
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  Speaker 4: our support for Taiwan, and Penny Long should be on
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  Speaker 4: a plane going to visit Taiwan and meet with the
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  Speaker 4: new president very shortly, just to stick it up the
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  Speaker 4: Chinese a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the irony, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that we don't do anything about this and
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  Speaker 2: we tolerate it simply sends the message that we are
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  Speaker 2: prepared to be bullied, we are prepared to be pushed around,
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  Speaker 2: and you can carry on correct erect more of the same.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, Let's move on to a great idea from the
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  Speaker 4: opposition today, which is that students who are at universities
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  Speaker 4: at the moment, foreign students in particular, who are chanting
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  Speaker 4: from the river to the sea. Participating in these encampments
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  Speaker 4: should have their visas revoked and be sent home. Hallelujah. Now,
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  Speaker 4: remember many years ago when John Howard said, we will
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  Speaker 4: decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in
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  Speaker 4: which they come. We seem to be much more larse
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  Speaker 4: a fair these days. You know, have you got a
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  Speaker 4: skill or two shore you can come in in numbers
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  Speaker 4: going up into the millions. Oh you know you might
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  Speaker 4: study something here. Good, We will have you. We ought
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  Speaker 4: to reserve the right as a country to decide at
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  Speaker 4: any time. And we've been having this discussion about criminals,
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  Speaker 4: of course, who are not citizens of this country and
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  Speaker 4: whether or not they should be allowed to remain here.
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  Speaker 4: And we'll get into that again in the papers later
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  Speaker 4: in the show. But surely as a country we should
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  Speaker 4: be able to say, if you have come to Australia
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  Speaker 4: as a foreign student to learn in this country, if
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to participate in our culture and our
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  Speaker 4: beliefs and contribute to the betterment of this country, you
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  Speaker 4: deserve to go home. Here was James Patterson, the Opposition
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  Speaker 4: Home Affairs shadow minister, talking about exactly this idea today,
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  Speaker 4: there's no.
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  Speaker 6: Doubt we've seen unprecedented president levels of anti semitism on campus.
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  Speaker 6: Some of the people involved in that are very clearly
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  Speaker 6: foreign students who are here as guests in our country.
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  Speaker 6: That violated the principles of their time as visitors here,
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  Speaker 6: and they should be sent home now.
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  Speaker 4: I cannot think of any logical argument against doing this right.
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  Speaker 4: We have allowed people to come here, and of course
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  Speaker 4: the universities will probably kick up a stink because you know,
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  Speaker 4: they can just see the dollar signs in their eyes
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  Speaker 4: that come from these foreign students who pay full toy dots.
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  Speaker 4: But we should absolutely reserve the right to decide that
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  Speaker 4: if you have come here on a visa, which is
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  Speaker 4: us gifting you the opportunity to spend time in our country,
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  Speaker 4: that if you do things we don't like, you're on
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  Speaker 4: the next plane home, pack your bags and get the
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  Speaker 4: hell out of here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see why foreign students should be allowed to
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  Speaker 2: participate in any protests in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: That's going a little bit fast.
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  Speaker 3: Will why not go the whole lot.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have opinions they can well about Australia.
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  Speaker 4: No free speech.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can have free speech, but you're not entitled
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  Speaker 2: to protest on domestic issues in Australia if you're a
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  Speaker 2: foreign citism.
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  Speaker 5: Well this isn't a domestic issue all right.
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  Speaker 2: But putting that aside, because hornets, there's there. The Greek
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  Speaker 2: City Times just reported this evening that the Greek government
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  Speaker 2: have told nine university students from other parts of Europe
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  Speaker 2: that they're out after participating in a pro Palestinian protest there.
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  Speaker 3: So this is not unprecedented. If Australia did this, grease
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  Speaker 3: have just announce that they're doing the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 1: I all just want to look at the chain of
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  Speaker 1: command here, because we know that the campuses, the faculties,
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  Speaker 1: even the chancellors of these universities have done fat nothing
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  Speaker 1: about that. So why then should students be punished so
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  Speaker 1: harshly when even professors at their universities, some of which
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  Speaker 1: have participated, both Melbourne and Sydney Universities, major elite universities
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  Speaker 1: in our nation, have taken it upon themselves to kick
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  Speaker 1: off either visiting lecturers from Israel. They have been basically
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  Speaker 1: helping out the mob and succumbing to this mob like mentality.
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  Speaker 1: So of course kids getting caught up in this think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're fighting a righteous cause. Nobody seems to have any
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  Speaker 1: any compunction to stomp us out. Why shouldn't we keep going?
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  Speaker 1: And of course it would, you'd have your work cut
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  Speaker 1: out for you to single out ringleaders because many of
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  Speaker 1: these kids, and as we've shown via pop boxes that
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  Speaker 1: we've shown on this show before, they kind of have
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  Speaker 1: no idea why they're there.
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  Speaker 5: So to then be kicked out of the country simply.
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  Speaker 1: Because you've participated and may have marched with them as
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  Speaker 1: opposing as opposed to being one of the main activists
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  Speaker 1: driving the cause, I think it's it's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more complicated than what we've heard.
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  Speaker 4: So who cares? Who cares? I don't care. If you
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  Speaker 4: didn't know why you were there, you participated in it,
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  Speaker 4: get the hell out, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Only that's the only way they could enforce it.
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  Speaker 1: If it's simply criticizing the Israeli government or you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, the context of you're at a rally or an
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  Speaker 4: encampment or whatever, that its overall message is not just
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  Speaker 4: we've got a bit of beef with net and Yahoo.
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  Speaker 4: It is anti Israeli. It's anti Jewish. Now if you
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  Speaker 4: stay there for days, and that's what an encampment is, right.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care whether English is your second language, you
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  Speaker 4: only know five words of English. It doesn't matter. You
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  Speaker 4: were there and you participated, and you are here only
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  Speaker 4: by the good grace of this country allowing you in.
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  Speaker 4: We should have the reserve the right to decide we
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  Speaker 4: kick you in or out by any means, any reason
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  Speaker 4: we deem necessary. And if we don't like the look
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  Speaker 4: at you, I don't care if they say, you know,
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  Speaker 4: your eyes are too wonky. You should be kicked out
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  Speaker 4: because the government deems you're not someone of sound character to.
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  Speaker 5: Be here, and kick out all the chancellors as well.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, put here on the plane back with them.
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  Speaker 5: Sea.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's now almost eight months since terrorists launched an
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  Speaker 2: attack on Israeli civilians, sparking that war in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: and of course the shocking antisemitism here in Australia. Earlier
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  Speaker 2: this evening, Sky News premiered Never Again the Fight Against
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  Speaker 2: Anti Semitism, a documentary hosted by former Australian Treasurer Josh Friedenberg. Now,
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  Speaker 2: as part of that documentary, he spoke to a ninety
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  Speaker 2: three year old Holocaust survivor Have a.
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  Speaker 7: Look Australia has been wonderful company. I'm telling no, all
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  Speaker 7: of a sudden we feel threatened.
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  Speaker 8: And it's not just the younger Jewish generation. Ninety three
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  Speaker 8: year old Holocaust survivor Egon Sonoshein lives in Sydney. He's
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  Speaker 8: endured the very worst of anti Semitism and he's extremely
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  Speaker 8: alarmed at its resurgence.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel scared?
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm scared and upset and I never thought it
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  Speaker 7: in my lifetime I will be able to experience such
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  Speaker 7: a thing.
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  Speaker 2: And behind the documentary, Josh Fredenberger joins us now, Josh, welcome,
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  Speaker 2: this was such an important documentary to make, to be
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  Speaker 2: with you, It's great to have your company as well.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot to talk about with regards this documentary,
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  Speaker 2: but I wanted to ask you about this ninety three
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  Speaker 2: year old Holocaust survivor. What was it like talking to
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  Speaker 2: him and hearing how scared he is living in Australia
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 8: Well, James Egon was inspirational, he was dignified and as
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  Speaker 8: you could see, he was eloquent. He summed up the
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  Speaker 8: situation facing so many Austrange Jews right now. This was
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  Speaker 8: somebody who came from Europe after the horrors of the Holocaust,
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  Speaker 8: was warmly embraced by this great country, and now suddenly,
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  Speaker 8: into his nineties, he's feeling unsafe and threatened. And that's
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  Speaker 8: just not on. It's a sign, if we needed another
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  Speaker 8: sign of a comprehendi failure of leadership in this country,
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  Speaker 8: from government, from our institutions, from law enforcement that's seen
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  Speaker 8: this explosion of anti Semitism in the last eight months
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  Speaker 8: since the tragedy of October the seventh.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, as I watched Josh, I couldn't help but agree
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  Speaker 2: with John Howard and Julia Gillard, both of whom expressed
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  Speaker 2: shock at the reaction in Australia to the events of
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  Speaker 2: October seven. Here's some of what they had to say.
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  Speaker 7: I'd never hear was like, where the Jews or.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever the word that they were words of hate?
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  Speaker 1: Surely in the modern world, in modern Australia were better
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  Speaker 1: than that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as you just heard Julia Gillard say, we're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be better than that, but clearly our country is
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  Speaker 2: not better than that.
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  Speaker 3: So how is our entry changed.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's fair to say everyone's been shocked
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  Speaker 8: by the events in Australia since October the seventh, And
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  Speaker 8: who would have thought that after the massacre of twelve
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  Speaker 8: hundred innocent people in Israel, the burning of bodies, the
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  Speaker 8: beheading of people, the rape, the torture people in this
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  Speaker 8: country outside our national icon, the Sydney Opera House would
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  Speaker 8: be celebrating just hours after those events, and well before
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  Speaker 8: Israel had even begun its attempt to rescue its hostages
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  Speaker 8: from Gaza. But this is not an isolated incident. What
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  Speaker 8: we saw outside the Opera House we saw also in
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  Speaker 8: the Jewish suburb of Corfield where there was a violent demonstration.
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  Speaker 8: We've seen the docks of six hundred Jewish creatives, including
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  Speaker 8: the well known and regarded, well regarded Debrah Conway. We've
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  Speaker 8: seen the campus camps of hate, and we've seen Jewish
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  Speaker 8: businesses being boycotted simply because their owners are Jewish. And
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  Speaker 8: that's just not on. So, you know, it's hard to
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  Speaker 8: actually explain, James, why this is all happening other than
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  Speaker 8: people not having any sense of objectivity and not having
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  Speaker 8: any sense of history and the lesson of history from
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  Speaker 8: where anti Semitism can lead.
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  Speaker 4: And it kind of begs the question, Josh, how we
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  Speaker 4: got to this point and you talked to the Prime
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  Speaker 4: Minister of course tonight about his take on all of this.
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  Speaker 4: He talked a little bit about the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 4: we have to stamp out and call out anti Semitism
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  Speaker 4: everywhere we see it.
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  Speaker 9: Here he is we're targeting of the business because it
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  Speaker 9: happens to be owned by someone who happens to be Jewish,
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  Speaker 9: is in my view, anathema to what Australia represents. It's
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  Speaker 9: not who we are and that's why we need to
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  Speaker 9: call out anti semitism when we see it.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 4: The PM said all the right things to you in
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  Speaker 4: the doco, but you, and certainly John Howard in the
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  Speaker 4: documentary tonight and I and many others have been quite
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  Speaker 4: critical of him and his government's response to anti semitism,
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  Speaker 4: basically not stemming it since what happened on the steps
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  Speaker 4: of the Opera House on October the ninth. It's a
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  Speaker 4: lack of leadership. I suppose having sat down with the
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister and discussed this, do you get the impression
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  Speaker 4: that he actually cares and actually wants to do something
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  Speaker 4: about it, or is it saying the right words to
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  Speaker 4: the right audience.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I don't think he's backing up the words with action.
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  Speaker 8: And while I had hope he'd comprehend the gravity of
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  Speaker 8: the situation, I'd like to see a lot stronger action
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  Speaker 8: from here. We can't just replay what we've seen over
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  Speaker 8: the last eight months for the next eight months. We
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  Speaker 8: need a reset from government. We need to see strong,
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  Speaker 8: decisive leadership because, as John Howard did say in the documentary,
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  Speaker 8: the Prime Minister of the day sets the tone for
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  Speaker 8: the country and there have been red lines that have
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  Speaker 8: been clearly crossed and the law, even the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 8: himself acknowledged, is not being enforced in this country. How
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  Speaker 8: can you have people preaching g hat, How can you
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  Speaker 8: have the events outside the Opera House and in Corefield
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  Speaker 8: and nobody being charged as a result. That begs the
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  Speaker 8: question where where is our law enforcement? Where is our
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  Speaker 8: Human Rights Commission? And where is our government when such
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  Speaker 8: terrible things have happened and people are living in fear
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  Speaker 8: And this is not nineteen thirty four, this is twenty
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  Speaker 8: twenty four in Australia, and as Julie Gillard said, we're
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  Speaker 8: much better than that. And there are so many people
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  Speaker 8: in this documentary from all walks of life who are
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  Speaker 8: ringing the alarm bell, not least of whom was Sir
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  Speaker 8: Peter Cosgrove, one of the most distinguished and decorated Australians,
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: who said Hitler would be proud of the violent anti
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: semitism that we're now seeing in Australia. If that's not
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: a warning sign to our leaders that they have to
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: lift their game, I don't know what is.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Let's step into fantasyland for a little minute and just
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: imagine that you're still the Member for ku Yong and
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: you are Prime Minister. If I know, it's a chuckle
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: and I won't ask you the question if you're going
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: to run again, We've been there before. But let's imagine
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: that you're currently Prime minister. You talk about this reset,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: the country's reset in terms of anti Semitism, What would
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: you do as leader of the country to stem, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I suppose more importantly, reverse the rise of anti Semitism
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: that we've seen.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: Well, firstly, for all those headlines writers for tomorrow, I'm not,
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: you know, the leader of the country, and I'm enjoying
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: life outside of politics. But what I do think we
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: need is both hard and soft power. More of that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: When I talk about hard power, it's the law enforcement.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: I think, you know, we've we've got to see people
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: face the consequences for incitement to violence and to hate.
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: And Caleb, you Liz James have every night been talking
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: about what's happening on our university campuses. And I have
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: to tell you, I'm so disappointed and by the failure
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: of our university leadership, chancellors and vice chancellors to actually
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: take the moral high ground and to to actually take
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: on the mob which cannot be appeased in these on
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: these campuses. So I'd like to see people who say
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: the river from the River to the Palestine to be free,
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: I would like to see them pay, to face sanctions,
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: to face the consequences of that statement, because that statement
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: is calling for the abolition of the state of Israel.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: And with respect to soft power, I'd like to see
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: more education, because clearly there's a gap, particularly with our
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: young people, in their understanding, with their comprehension, with their
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: knowledge of World War II, of the Holocaust, and indeed
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: of the history of the Middle East. Because Israel's existence
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: did not start in nineteen forty eight. It goes back
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: thousands of years from a Jewish connection to the state
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: of Israel, and you can see that in the western
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: wall there. And whether it's the use of lawfare in
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: the ICC and the ICJ calling Israel a genocidal state,
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: whether it's the allegation that Israel is apartheid state, or
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: whether it's the notion that Israel as a colonial estate,
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: all of those statements are factually inaccurate and wrong, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: they're all designed to delegitimize the State of Israel. And
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: that is not in the world's interests, and it's certainly
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: not in Australia's interest because our bilateral relationship has been
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: strong and as we're heard in the program, Zionism and
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: believing in the state of Israel is something that a
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: number of very good people believe in.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Josh.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: The documentary effectively knits together many of the instances of
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: due hatred in Australia since October seven. You asked the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister whether we need our insultant laws incitement laws
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: rather to be beefed up given they're proving useless For
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: those viewers at home who.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Didn't hear what he had to say in reply here he.
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: Is one of my concerns is that there are laws
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: there that I don't think been implemented. Let's reinforce what's there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: If people are breaking the law, then they should be prosecuted.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: That's why we have laws.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But it's already very obvious these laws simply aren't working.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: We've seen none of the mob rejoicing on the steps
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of the Opera House prosecuted, none of the hate preachers prosecuted,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: none of those responsible for doxing Jewish Australians prosecuted. What
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: do you make of the inaction of our state and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: federal governments given these laws were literally created for such
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a time as this.
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: Well, I think the lack of law enforcement leads has
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: been a green light to the mob, as you say,
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: which cannot be appeased. And they've been emboldened by the
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: inaction of our governments, emboldened by the inaction of law enforcement,
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: emboldened by the inaction of our institutions, including the Human
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: Rights Commission. And these people cannot be appeased. So we
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: need to see a lot tougher action, because the lesson
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: of history is that bad things happen when good people
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: stay silent and turning the other cheek hoping this will
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: all go away is not good enough. It's certainly not
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: good enough for the many, many Jewish Australians who are
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: feeling unsafe and fearful here in Australia.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Josh, I just got to ask you. Obviously, in the
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: course of filming the documentary, you became quite emotional when
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: we saw tonight that you cried at one person's story.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: You would be more aware as a member of the
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Jewish community than many of us exactly how bad things are.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: But were you in any way almost shocked to discover
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: some of the stories you heard and to learn exactly
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: how bad it was from some other people's perspectives.
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: Certainly when I spoke to Maggie and Josh who owned
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: this gift shop in Thornbury in Melbourne, and I heard
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: about the death threats against their five year old which
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: followed Josh being dosed he's also a musician, and their
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: shop being vandalized, and the personal trauma and pain and
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: hate that was directed towards them. You know, that is
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: just simply unacceptable and you could only you know, feel
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: their pain when you met with them, and that was
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: what opened the floodgates to the emotion and to the
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: tears and judging by the response of tonight's documentary. Many
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: many Australians have felt the same way watching what happened,
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: and you also referenced Caleb, you know, talking to the
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: Holocaust survivors. They were so inspirational and they had this
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: inner strength, but they also had fear, and to hear
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: them have fear in their late nineties is again another
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: sign that what has happened in Australia is just not
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: on It's un Australian and it needs to stop.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Josh.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Just going back to the non enforcement of hate speech laws,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: we've seen police arrest supporters of Israel who have done
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong for their own safety of course, rather than
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: arrest the pro Palestinian protesters. I was at a pro
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Palestinian rally and I asked a police officer if someone
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: started yelling out killed the Jews, would you arrest them?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And he thought for a moment, he said, I'd check
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: with my superior first, which made me think, is the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: failure to enforce these laws an issue of fear that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: authorities are afraid if we start arresting for people for
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: stuff like this. There's just too many people who feel
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that way, and we're going to have a riot.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: On our hands.
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: Well, I think the best indication of that view is
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: from our university chancellors who have sought to negotiate with
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: these people who have set up these encampments and taken
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: over buildings at Sydney and Melbourne and elsewhere. You know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: that is just a sign of weakness, and weakness is
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: provocative and it certainly emboldens the mob. You know, you
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: can't negotiate with these people, and our leaders at our
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: university should not be afraid to use law enforcement when
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: people are breaking the law. And to listen to Mark Scott,
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: who's the Vice chancell of Sydney University, who simply just
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: doesn't get it to hear him say people can walk
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: around the encampment or this is just an example of
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: free speech and draw an analogy with the Vietnam War
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: protests or protests on nuclear disarmament. That just misses the
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: point all together. And what is more, he also said,
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: you know, bringing in the police in the United States
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: increased anti Semitism. I mean that's an inversion of the
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: truth of the facts, the realities. The police were brought
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: into the US campuses because they became crimes scenes, because
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: people had taken over buildings violently and this is why
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: we do need to use law enforcement, because the law
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: has been broken and has been broken by an unruly
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: mob who have had the upper hand for too long
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: since October the seventh.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Well, Josh, thanks so much for your time and congratulations
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: again on a brilliant documentary. I highly recommend that you
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: at home, if you've not yet seen it, that you
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: must watch it. So to stream the full documentary and
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: extended interviews from Never Again the Fight Against Anti Semitism,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: you just need to visit skynews dot com dot Au
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: or download the Sky News Australia app.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Liz. Let's go from that very moving topic, and Josh
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: spoke so well.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: He's a gift to our country. Let's go to America.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: What's happening in the US at.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: The moment, all little bit of movement around the Assange case.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: President Donald Trump has said.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: That should he take office in November, he will seriously
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: consider pardoning Julian Assange and putting an end to the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: matter altogether. Here he was very recently talking to a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: podcaster by the name of Tim.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Poole, Will you pardon Julian A sane?
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm going to talk about that today and we're
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: going to give it very serious consideration.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And here's Albanezi just last week saying, well, that's kind
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of what should happen.
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: Yes, our position has been very clear, same position I
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: had is as opposition later I've had as Prime minister,
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: which is enough is enough. There's nothing to be served
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: by the ongoing incarceration of mister Asanche.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Now, this is actually a massive one point eighty by Trump.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Back in twenty seventeen, his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: who was director of the CIA, was in charge at
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the time, the CIA was shown to be plotting Assange's abduction,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: end or assassination. It sounds like some sort of movie,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but no, in truth, this did happen. Top CIA officials,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: now former officials, did up a report detailing these plans
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and said that they were even asked for sketches or
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: different scenarios as to how Assange might be assassinated. They
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: were so humiliated, so furious at Assange for exposing their
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: war crimes in Iraq. These CIA officials say that nothing
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: was off the table. So, like I say, this is
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: actually a massive one to eighty.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: A lot of people don't remember that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: But Trump was in charge back then, and they seriously
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to get this guy at any cost whatsoever. So
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the fact that he is now here, we are quite
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a few years later saying that actually would seriously consider
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: just calling it quits and letting him go home.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: This is a massive turnaround, absolutely is.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And at the end of Trump's term he could have
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: pardoned Assange. He pardons seventy three people, and there was
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: plenty of pressure for him to pardon Assans then and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: he didn't. So how do you explain the massive turnaround?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: What's changed? I wonder if this is the thing that's changed.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Trump himself is fighting lawfair. He himself is seen as
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a victim of injustice. It would be a little bit
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: awkward for him in his current predicament to say no, no,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Assange must be extradited to America, he must face the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: full weight of the law, when so many people, including
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: many of Trump's own supporters, think that the Sange is
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a victim of law fair. So is that what's going
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: on here?
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I think there's also been such a huge passage of
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: time between the alleged crime being committed and now finally
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: getting potentially towards a trial right that. I think the
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: public interest that has just completely evaporated, like what you
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: achieve now by continuing to prosecute Assange is arguably minimal.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: And we know that his accomplish Chelsea Manning was pardoned
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: by President Obama when he was in power, So there's
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: already there's a very strong argument for that pardon to
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: be forthcoming. But I cannot let Albanesi get away with this,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: because can we bring that clipback of Albanesi last week
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: May the twenty first, talking about how he thinks Assans
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: could be freed. We haven't got the clip just yet,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: but let me know when we've got it. Anyway, So
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: he gets up and says, okay, so I think Assan
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: should be freed, and he has talked about this before
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the government has given it support. He's the clip.
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: Our position has been very clear, same position I had
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: is as opposition leader, I've had as Prime minister, which
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: is enough is enough. There's nothing to be served by
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: the ongoing incarceration of mister Assange.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Now that's great, But he then said this about the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: ic C going after Benjamin Nettinyahu a couple of minutes later.
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: alone court processes globally, of which Australia is not a party.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Nice try it having your cake and eating it too, Albanesi,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: He is right, but I mean, come on, make try
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: it on. But there's an absolute argument for Trump to
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: pardon him because it's already been done with Chelsea Manning.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: And I just don't think people care anymore like no, no, no,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, in terms of the hatred that existed for
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Julian Assange, there was a time when Julian Nossange has
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: always had a core popular group, but there was a
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: time when Julian Nossange was, you know, a persona non
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: grata when it came to the US. I just don't
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: think that animosity towards Assange exists in the same way
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: that it used to.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that's due to the truth coming out.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were told that Julian had been instrumental
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: in hacking into the CIA. This was the biggest data
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: breach the CIA has ever seen. It's all Julian's fault,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: but it was proven in Chelsea Manning's court martial trial
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that no hacking occurred. Every single document that was leaked
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was accessible by Chelsea Manning due to the clearance that
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: she had at the time, and this was a leak
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: like any other, simply.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Handed to a journal. And this is what.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: The US refers to as the New York Times problem,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: because they said, if we go after WikiLeaks, where every
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: other major media outlet who are household names in the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: States have also leaked confidential, top secret, national security type
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: stuff before.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: That's what journals do when they get a leak.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: And so I think Trump also REALI that even if
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: he is extradited to the.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: States, the case.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Now is paper thin compared to what it was back then,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: before the public knew as much about the case as
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: they do now.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: What all of this shows is the power of words
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: from a US president.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That podcast interview was seven seconds, that's all Trump said
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: on the issue, and it's generating headlines tonight all around
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: And of course, James, though you have previously held forward
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: that assign should be prosecuted, do you think he should
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: still be prosecuted?
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Are you trying to get me in trouble with Lizzie.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: I'm simply asking you the question.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I do think he should be I think that national
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: security is a massively important thing, which and again that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Was shown not to be breached. No state secrets were linked.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: None of our enemies have picked up anything from this
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: leak that they could then use. Otherwise the States wouldn't
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: be prosecuting to the full extent of the law. But
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: they know they can't even point to an instance of well,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: this information then found its way into the arms of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Iraq or Afghanistan and they were able to use it.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: No, none of that happens.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I just need to finish the sentence.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I just think that national security is incredibly important. We're
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: going to talk in the papers about twelve hundred Chinese
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: spies on Australian soil. The allegations have not been tested
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: in a court. A scientists spent the better part of
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a decade or more running from these charges being tested
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: in a court.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: It should be tried.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Found because the CIA has plotted it, you wouldn't go
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: on the run.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Better than anyone.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: What They actually don't have a problem with democratic nations
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: plotting to assassinate people who steal military secrets and make
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: them public.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I think oka.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Military secrets they're war crimes.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Of course, that is their secrets, but they're dirty secrets.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And as I say, ad nauseum, if you don't want
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to get done for corruption, try not being corrupt. What
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: he leaked was the video footage of civilians being gunned down.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Was no jolly reeson.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: That was amongst the information that he leaked.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I just think tried in court. If he's innocent and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the cases, as you say, paper thin, then you'll be
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: found not guilty. You have some trust in the American
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: You have to try every single media outlet, which Julian
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: always called wiki leaks. Then you'd have to try every
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: single one of them for leaking any confidential information that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: they've got their myths on by other whistleblowers.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Well, if that's the case, sure start with Juliana sangan Oh.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: From there, we're going to go to a break while
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: this berates me.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: But when we come back, we'll look at what's making
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: news in tomorrow's capers.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Don't go away, welcome back.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: We'll start with the Herald's Sun. In fact, a lot
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: of papers are running this story on their front page tomorrow.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: The news limited papers at least ex operatives alarming warning
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: over Communist regimes espionage activities on our soil. The headline reads,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: one two hundred Chinese spies in Australia. About two hundred
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Chinese spies, including two hundred professionals, are in Australia collecting information,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: surveilling and harassing targets for the Communist regime, a former
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: operative says. The article goes on to say a former
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Chinese spy who goes by the name Eric, warned Australia
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: must not stand idle in any potential US China conflict,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: or he says, quote, it's going to be the start
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: of Australia's nightmare. Now, Eric, who as the article says,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: was a former Communist spy, was speaking at a newslimited
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: event and curiously, right before he was about to speak,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: the Chinese gentleman who was going to be his interpreter
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: quit abruptly, fearing consequences for the event. So that tells
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: you something about the pressure that's being exerted even on
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Chinese people here in this country. Eric said that there's
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: about one thing, what he called low level spies.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: These are people who.
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  Speaker 2: Don't have any sort of alias, but they're just operating
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  Speaker 2: in public. Essentially reporting back to Communist officials about activities
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  Speaker 2: here in Australia and harassing Chinese locals. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: about two hundred spies who've got cover stories people he
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: calls professional spies who are reporting back military secrets and
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the like.
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  Speaker 3: Are we surprised by this?
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  Speaker 4: No, I mean, a great exclusive by Catherine Birmingham, the
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: fact that this is going on is not a surprise,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: I don't think. I mean, look, you'd be more surprised
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  Speaker 4: if you learned that we didn't have any Chinese spies
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: in this country. But let's not forget that when Anthony
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Halpinisi went over to China to meet with Jijingping, he
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: talked about the merits of whether or not panned is acute.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: And meanwhile, we've got twelve hundred Communist spies running around
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: this country hoovering up secrets that they're sending back to
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: the CCP so the CCP can presumably use them against us.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: We are dealing with this country as though it is
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: a friend, and it is not our friend. It is
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: in many ways our enemy, and we're stuck in this
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: difficult position of knowing what an important trading partner they
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: are and how important it is to our economy. But
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: by accepting that, we have to sell ourselves up the
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: creek and almost turn to blind eye to this stuff.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Sure we're making lots of money now, but it hurts
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: us in the long run. We lose our sovereignty.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: There's certain things that we can do to claw back
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: bits of sovereignty, like getting rid of the Confucius Institutes
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  Speaker 1: out of our Australian universities. Can you imagine any Chinese
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: universities allowing there to be like Australia clubs, espousing Western.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Values and all the rest of it. They would never
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: dream of it. The amount of foreign ownership we have
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: in our nation.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: You and I being Australian citizens can't buy a dung
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: heap in China because they know what's good for their
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: country and they sin plea wouldn't allow it. The amount
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: of soft power that these guys hold behind the scenes.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Our politicians know it and allow it. It's reflected in legislation,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: whether it's foreign ownership, Confucius institutes. We do play friendly,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: but we can put our foot down in ways that
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't cost us economically. Like enough with the Confucius Institutes,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you don't get to have these clubs in our western
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: universities that espouse c seeps p values and are basically
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: tiny hubs of little spies at our universities.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: That's what they use them for. It's just unbelievable. Come on, Australia,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: wake up before it's too late.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: As Eric says to the front page of The Australia, Now,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: PM Giles stick behind catastrophic direction, ninety nine rapist attacks
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: twenty six women kids.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: And keeps his visa.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: A serial rapist who assaulted twenty six women and children
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: kept his visa as a result of Andrew Charles's catastrophic
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: push to give more leniency to foreign born criminals with
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: ties to Australia. As the embattled Immigration Minister scrambles to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: review the dozens of deportations canceled as a result of
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: his policy. The Australian also reveals in this front page
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: splash that some of the worst child abuse material in
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the world is held by a rapist who molested four
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: children and a crimical who a criminal who laundered more
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: than five million dollars, both of which also kept their visas.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Where's the line, Where is the line? What is it
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: going to be?
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Thirty women before they're deported. How many children does it
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: have to be before these sickos are.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Sent back to where they came from. The fact that.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: They haven't already just abolish Direction nine and gone back
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: to the whiteboard is unspeakable.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: At this stage. The definition of stupidity is doing the
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: same thing again and again and expecting a different result.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, surely it is staring them in their face
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: that from the beginning of the decision that was made
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: in the High Court and their response to it, they
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: have stuffed this up at every single stage. They didn't
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: have legislation ready to go to reverse the letting out
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: all those people into the community. Then they brought up
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: legislation so they could redetain people. They've used it to
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: redetain zero people so far. This directive from January last year,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: which continually has been proven to let out serious offenders
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: who should not be in this country. They should be deported.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Whence they came no, we're not going to fix that.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, if Andrew Giles was a horse, you take
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: him to the doggers. He is that damn useless and
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: that's what the Prime Minister needs to do with him.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Take him out the back and say, mate, go and
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: play in the sand pit. You're not welcome anymore in
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the cabinet because the shame and disgrace that he brings
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: upon the government every single day continues to mount. The
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister might be stupid, but he ain't that stupid. Surely,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: surely he can see with that assertion.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of one of the reasons he's let Giles
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: remain in the position so long is because it's so
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: obvious he should have been sacked months ago that the
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: moment Albanezi now sacks him, the question will be asked,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: why didn't you do this months ago? Indeed, as you said,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: ed Mark, how many women need to get raped until
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Albaneze finally does something. So I think they're just closing
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: their eyes and hoping, please, not another newspaper headline that's this.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, this headline should be the end of him. I
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: should be his funeral there.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: But it won't. It won't. You watch, we'll be back
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: tomorrow and there'll probably be another great story on the
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: front of the odds. And thank god they are doing
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: the work to bring all of this to light, because
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: without it we wouldn't know. Let's move on to the
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: cans Post tomorrow, where a curious story a lesson in
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: terror is the headline. Twelve teachers in a remote community
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: in the Gulf of Carpenterria have been given Juris alarms
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: and had heat senses installed in their homes as school
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: violence escalates. One teacher was hit with a baseball bat.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: And you know, we talk at nauseum about the youth
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: crime crisis across the country, but particularly in Queensland. But
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, I imagine you go to work as a teacher,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: you don't get paid all that much comparatively, and you
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: have to go home at night and worry about whether
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: someone a young kid is going to break into your
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: home and assault you. Could it get any worse?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: We don't know from this front page which school it was,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: but there's a school in a racoon where at the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: end of first term this year, seventeen out of twenty
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: three teachers resigned, leaving just six teachers left. The school
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: employs ten full time sucuscurity guards. And now the government's
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: offering a nine thousand dollars one off payment plus an
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: extra one hundred and fifty dollars a day to anyone
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: who will go there and teach. So that gives you
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: some indication as to what's happening in North Queensland.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we know there's a crime crisis,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: not just in North Queensland, but in America, where police
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: are now arresting alligators.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: It's coming up in a moment. Well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: America's response to the crime crisis took an unexpected turn
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: when police in Georgia arrested an alligator that had taken
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: up residence in someone's driveway and well, look, I want
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to tire it out.
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: If you don't want to jump on it a bud, respond, then.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Business enders Kaylen. Probably not what you expect when you
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: go to the police academy, but I like that the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: officers stopped for a moment there and they offered kids
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: a pat of the alligator before they took him away.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: He would agree, if he were a kid, I would
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: have been running in the other direction. But let's feel
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: he's no Steve Verwin, is he? I mean I wanted
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: to see him get it oh right, you know, I
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: know it was an alligator, not a crocodile. But over
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: the days of stever, h and I reckon. They were
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: just like really great days for Australia, weren't they when
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: he was representing the country all over the world.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Hair hair, one of a kind. Back home now to Victoria,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: where we.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: All know prices are going up even if you're just
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: having a coffee at your local cafe. Consumers are like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: we can't really live with a lot more of this.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: A post went viral just yesterday, a young guy sharing
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the fact that he'd been charged a dollar on top
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of his seven dollar muffin. So that's eight dollars in total,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: one dollar for having it heated.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: You know how they always ask God, would you like
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: that heated?
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: If you're buying banana bread or whatever. So this guy,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: they didn't tell him they were charging him an extra dollar.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Have you seen the price of electricity?
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: That's cheap?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Only a dollar for thirty seconds in the microph.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Send the bill, Send the bill to Anthony Albanisi in
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: making the.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Weekend surcharge, the public holiday surcharge, inflation driving prices through.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: The roof as it is.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And now they ask you a simple question of would
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you like that heated?
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: We'll all be thinking twice.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Now, how much are you going to charge me for
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the honor of not having a dry, crumbly muffin.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: We're going to have to start itemizing everything, like how
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: much of the bill is for the dishwashing, how much
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: of the bill is for the wear and tear on
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: the seats that you're sitting on. I mean, next thing,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: they'll start charging you for emitting carbon dioxide when you're
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: in the cafes. They can target carbage.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Charging you extra for a bit of chit chat at
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the till.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, what's a story the other day
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: about a restaurant that charged extra for someone to get
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: different cuts because they had dropped it.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: On the floor.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: No, forget the dollar for reheating the muffin. Seven dollars
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: for a muffin.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: I know. Look, if you'd already been the best muffin
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: in the world.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: You didn't think that the cost of living crisis was real.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Seven dollars muffins, damn well proves it doesn't it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: On that note, that's it from us, But stick around.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Coming up in just a moment is the reata Pennety Show.