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Stream “Best Disney Dresses, Ranked” By Rose Dommu and Fran Tirado Colloquially Known as “Like a Virgin” on Patreon Dot Com · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: Finally enough, come it doesn't work quite as well when
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Speaker 1: we're not in a room together.
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Speaker 2: No, not quite. But who would have guessed that the
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Speaker 2: girl we described was just exactly what the doctor prescribed.
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Speaker 1: That's how she became the Tramity.
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Speaker 2: Roses soon to have a karaoke birthday party. Sorry to
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Speaker 2: blow up your spot. And I bring this up because
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Speaker 2: we were discussing some potential karaoke songs that you or
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Speaker 2: I or others might do, and I did say. I
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Speaker 2: was like, you know, it would be kind of a
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Speaker 2: serve to do. Then any theme song, just ice and quick,
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Speaker 2: everyone would sing along.
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Speaker 1: I have many thoughts about what songs I will be
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Speaker 1: performing Virgins. We would love for you to get in
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Speaker 1: the comments on Spotify, on Patreon, wherever and tell us
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Speaker 1: what your go to karaoke song is, and maybe make
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Speaker 1: some suggestions for what we could perform at my birthday part.
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Speaker 1: I would love to Maybe maybe we'll get maybe you'll
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Speaker 1: end up getting some exclusive video content out of it.
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Speaker 1: Who knows.
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Speaker 2: Baby. Speaking of comments, let me tell you the comments
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Speaker 2: are popping off for what is the latest and greatest
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Speaker 2: bonus episode of Like a Virgin.
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Speaker 1: We Jo you've ever recorded.
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Speaker 2: I'm not joking. I know we are girly honest to speak,
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Speaker 2: and hyperbole. We are often like this.
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Speaker 1: I've never spoken in hyperbole in my life.
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Speaker 2: In my life, but when I tell you that, despite
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Speaker 2: the fact that Rose and I have often done highly
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Speaker 2: researched episodes thorough but bullet points like documents like research prep,
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Speaker 2: et cetera, we have never actually popped off the way
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Speaker 2: we popped off with our Patreon exclusive bonus episode Best
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Speaker 2: Disney Dresses aka most Beautiful Disney Dresses plus highly competitive
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Speaker 2: superlative categories. Rose, can you describe what this episode is?
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Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this you might be a
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Speaker 2: main RSS feed girly on it. That means you're getting
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Speaker 2: this episode for free. You're welcome. We also have bonus
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Speaker 2: episodes twice a month. We'll talk more about that later.
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Speaker 2: And we released a major, major hour and forty minute
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Speaker 2: deep dive, which we usually don't go that long, but
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Speaker 2: we were so possessed by the material.
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Speaker 1: How literally, by the material of the dresses.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Rose, can you talk more about the episode? Maybe
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Speaker 2: like we already we've already talked about in the episode itself,
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Speaker 2: like why we did it, but like, can you talk
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Speaker 2: about the format, the criteria, maybe the selection process.
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Speaker 1: The selection process was fran and I and all of
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Speaker 1: our friends who we were on Fire Island with sitting
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Speaker 1: around the pool, just kind of naming Great Disney Princess
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Speaker 1: looks for several hours and.
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Speaker 2: Then and non Princess looks.
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Speaker 1: And non Princess looks uh, and then sorting them into
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Speaker 1: various categories. Originally we were just going to rank the
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Speaker 1: most beautiful dresses, and then we started realizing that within
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Speaker 1: that main category, there were all these sub categories that
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Speaker 1: we also really wanted to hit, just because there were
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Speaker 1: so many contenders. So in the episode you have us
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Speaker 1: going through all these superlatives. We won't give them away
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Speaker 1: because they're really good and you should. You should laugh
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Speaker 1: when you hear them for the first time, and we did. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: no one, no one. We make no one laugh harder
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Speaker 1: than ourselves. I probably didn't say that sentence, right, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. My brain is still coming online post vacation, but.
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Speaker 2: Literally, we are coming to you Fried.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we got back this morning. Yeah, we got back.
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Speaker 1: We got back from Ira from Iyr Island. We got
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Speaker 1: that Fire Island less than three hours ago. Yes, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: so we have all these subcategories. Within those, we talk
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Speaker 1: through kind of you know, the divas competing in them,
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Speaker 1: pick a winner. There's lots of lively debate about this,
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Speaker 1: but then the actual list ranking of most beautiful Disney
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Speaker 1: dresses is a ranking that friend and I agreed upon
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Speaker 1: in advance and buy an advance I mean, approximately fifteen
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Speaker 1: minutes before we started recording, Yes, sipping sipping cocktails by
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Speaker 1: the pool.
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Speaker 2: But that didn't make it any less throw hotly debated.
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Speaker 2: It was getting fashion criticism.
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Speaker 1: No, Okay, something I've been realizing recently, Like we've had
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Speaker 1: I think, in my opinion, some really stunning and very
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Speaker 1: smart conversations about fashion. I agree, like it's obviously something
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Speaker 1: we both really care about, and.
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Speaker 2: You know, necessarily in the fashion world. We're not in
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Speaker 2: the fashion world, but is fashion adjacent.
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Speaker 1: But we're both very well dressed. We both have I think,
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Speaker 1: specific areas of interest in fashion that we are very
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Speaker 1: knowledgeable about, and like, I don't know, I just really
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Speaker 1: like that we're able to talk not just about not
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Speaker 1: just saying like I like this or I don't like this,
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Speaker 1: but we actually went into the what these garments themselves like?
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Speaker 1: Really from a fashion perspective, you know, comparing them to
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Speaker 1: designers or like trying to see where the influencers were
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Speaker 1: coming from or figuring out, you know, what the correlation
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Speaker 1: is between these looks and you know, kind of current
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Speaker 1: designers and things we're seeing on the runway and considering that,
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Speaker 1: you know, it was just Paris Fashion Week again, since
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Speaker 1: it's literally always fashion week somewhere, and Club Schalamey got
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Speaker 1: beat up waiting for Connor's story before the YSL show us. Fran,
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Speaker 1: you don't know about this? Wait, wait, wait, tell for
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Speaker 1: the virgins, tell us Okay, okay, Fran, don't research it.
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Speaker 1: I want I don't research as we're talking. I love,
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Speaker 1: I really want to bring this information to you.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So during and this is this is kind of stalety
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Speaker 1: at this point, but not to you, and not to
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Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of the virgins. So during Paris
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Speaker 1: Fashion Week, Club schalome who I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: know this or if our listeners know this, has jump
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Speaker 1: ship from Timmy do that and has pivoted to being
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Speaker 1: a Connor story stand account. She was allegedly already coincidentally
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Speaker 1: on vacation. She made this long post detailing the story
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Speaker 1: she was on vacation in France, was like, oh, well
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Speaker 1: I'm here, let me go wait outside Connor Story's hotel
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Speaker 1: for multiple hours so I can see him for maybe
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Speaker 1: three minutes. She got a.
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Speaker 2: Blurry photo on her vacation.
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Speaker 1: She was there outfitted truly looking like the unibomber. She
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Speaker 1: was in, like head to toe protective sunwere mask on,
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Speaker 1: had on everything. But her tea still got clocked because
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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, is that old bitch waiting outside Connor
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Speaker 1: Story's hotel like a lunatic Club schalome like if you
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Speaker 1: have to ask yourself that, the answer is yes. So,
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Speaker 1: through a bunch of weird circumstances, some person in the
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Speaker 1: crowd started beefing publicly in person with Club Shallomey and
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Speaker 1: like calling her a weird bitch because she is. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: Club Schallomey took what she referred to as her Manson
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Speaker 1: family recruitment photo of this person who is non binary.
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Speaker 1: Club Shallo Mat did misgender them in her screed about this,
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Speaker 1: and I guess, uh, Club Shallamy called her cunt and
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Speaker 1: they were like shoving each other, and this has you know,
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Speaker 1: spiraled into this huge meme kind of and like the
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Speaker 1: thing is they were both standing outside Connor stories as hell.
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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, so you weren't the craziest or you
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Speaker 1: weren't the only crazy person person at the crazy person convention. Shocking.
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Speaker 2: I also am like, I'm like, yeah, they're both so
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Speaker 2: like not well. And I say that not in like
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Speaker 2: a like a you know, being mean to like people
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Speaker 2: who are nerved diversion. I'm seeing I'm trying to be
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Speaker 2: mean to fandom culture.
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Speaker 1: To stalkers. It is stockings. It is really the concept
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Speaker 1: of you know, you and I have been in many
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Speaker 1: spaces where that are you know, the famous people are
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Speaker 1: in them, or like a celebrity adjacent to.
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Speaker 2: Say, at the Mother Mary premiere, there were and at
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Speaker 2: the way stands chasing us down the block to the
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Speaker 2: after party because they thought they were like is and
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Speaker 2: there is and.
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Speaker 1: There yeah and and don't get me wrong, like I love,
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Speaker 1: you know a county little celebrity sighting from time to time.
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Speaker 1: It can be fun, it's exciting. I think you and
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Speaker 1: I are probably both a little bit more desensitized because
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Speaker 1: like we are literally friends with some famous people and
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Speaker 1: also have spent our careers interviewing and like being in
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Speaker 1: spaces with those people, So yes, I understand, Like I
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Speaker 1: there are people who really want that experience of being
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Speaker 1: around the people that they really love and are obsessed with,
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Speaker 1: but just to like stand outside for hours so you
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Speaker 1: can watch them walk from a hotel lobby to a
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Speaker 1: car totally especially and like, yeah, if I guess maybe
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Speaker 1: if you really want to get a photo or like
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Speaker 1: get something signed, but they often don't do that, like
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Speaker 1: they're just walking. It's just it's crazy. And yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is just like two insane people like doing the Spider
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Speaker 1: Man pointing meme.
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Speaker 2: If you would like to know more about Club Shalla May,
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Speaker 2: I'll direct you to what I think is like the
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Speaker 2: most thorough analysis in timeline of the of Club Shallow
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Speaker 2: May by our sister pod Eating for Free.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they did a really good multi episode.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember if I listened to the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: I just remember it being extremely thorough. But yeah, okay,
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Speaker 2: thank you for updating me on that. It seems kind
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Speaker 2: of wild, Like I know that she the Club Schalome
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Speaker 2: is kind of crazy, but I did not. I don't
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Speaker 2: see her as someone that would attract drama. She seems
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Speaker 2: like someone who just is this kind of fly on
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Speaker 2: the wall that screams very loudly.
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Speaker 1: She does say highly incendiary things she does. And the
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Speaker 1: thing is, she has been celebritized by the internet. You know,
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Speaker 1: she was like she's been a Twitter main character of
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Speaker 1: the day for so many days and people have made
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Speaker 1: her a celebrity in and of herself. And you know,
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Speaker 1: like even you know pot like podcasts we listen to
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Speaker 1: or like, you know, writers whose substacks we read like
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Speaker 1: they they covered her like she was a beat. She
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Speaker 1: is a she is a meme. She's like she's kind
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Speaker 1: of a person people stand in this weird like negative,
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Speaker 1: uh you know, fetishistic like Shoden Freudist kind of way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm I just has she ever done
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Speaker 2: like a podcast interview? I feel like I need to
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Speaker 2: hear her speak.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I want I don't want to hear
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Speaker 1: her speak. I feel like, yeah, I feel like silence women.
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Speaker 2: I need to hear speak. I want like here like
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Speaker 2: what I feel like I have a hard time grasping
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Speaker 2: what would how someone would come to that mental state?
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Speaker 2: And I think here in her speak would give me
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Speaker 2: a better sense. But anyways, how do we get on
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Speaker 2: club schalllomet fashion week. Yes, oh fashion criticism, how our
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Speaker 2: bold killing him and how our best dress episode is
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Speaker 2: something that club shallow may should.
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Speaker 1: Listen to and should honestly create a Twitter account dedicated
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Speaker 1: not to our podcast, but just to that episode of
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Speaker 1: our podcast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would subscribe to a Twitter fandom
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Speaker 2: account that was just Disney Dresses, but because that does
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Speaker 2: not exist.
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Speaker 1: This I might already follow that.
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Speaker 2: The second best thing would be to listen to our
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Speaker 2: hour and forty minute Patreon only bonus episode on patreon
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Speaker 2: dot com slash like a version on most Beautiful Disney
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Speaker 2: Dresses Ranked. We like talk about what forty dresses, fifty
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Speaker 2: dresses us.
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Speaker 1: On outfits, Yes, ensembles because we did get a little
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Speaker 1: expansive in the subcategories.
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Speaker 2: Because we are inclusive.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, we are keeping DEI alive.
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Speaker 2: We did quite a lot of watching on Fire Island,
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Speaker 2: and while we were right after we had recorded the
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Speaker 2: Dresses episode, we did watch ever After, which I think
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Speaker 2: if it were in Disney Kennon, which it's not even
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Speaker 2: though it is in Disney. Plus, I think that's some
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Speaker 2: things that Angelica Houston wears in the ever in ever
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Speaker 2: After would absolutely have ranked.
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Speaker 1: She had some incredible head pieces. Also some of Drew's looks.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's obviously the look that she
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Speaker 1: wears the ball, which is iconic. I think her red
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Speaker 1: dress that she wears to go meet the Prince at
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Speaker 1: the Ruins. I think you were asleep while we were
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Speaker 1: watching it last night. I did post it on my
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Speaker 1: Instagram story. Is it's like this red velvet. It's so incredible.
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Speaker 1: Her tits look amazing. Also, I really like the outfit
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Speaker 1: she wears at the very end after she's become queen.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm looking at this now.
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Speaker 1: I really want to have like a medieval girl summer
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Speaker 1: into autumn.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this it's giving ren fair I think
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Speaker 2: I also like to in line with ever After. I
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Speaker 2: think it's like fairies really need to come back in
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Speaker 2: a big way. I kind of but not radical fairies,
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Speaker 2: not radical fairies.
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Speaker 1: I actually don't think fairies need to come back. I
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Speaker 1: think wenches need to come back. I kind of disagree
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Speaker 1: because hot Wench summer. I think fairies are always fairies
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Speaker 1: have never gone away.
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, I can get behind hot Wench summer, but
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Speaker 2: my issue is how close it is to like a
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Speaker 2: hot witch summer. And I was thinking about this honestly
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Speaker 2: as we were prepping for this episode. We do not
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Speaker 2: have any fairies in media. We do not have any
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Speaker 2: mermaids in media. Okay, we barely have horse girls in media.
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Speaker 2: But witches are abundant, which is heavy.
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Speaker 1: Thank god, But we are we are in a period
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Speaker 1: of witch resurgence right now that is cresting towards Practical
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Speaker 1: Magic two coming out.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I agree, and when that movie comes out,
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Speaker 2: witches will be over because we'll be like, okay, no
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Speaker 2: more witches. But I just was thinking about how there
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Speaker 2: and we talked about this in our Fer and Gully
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Speaker 2: Bunnett's episode, but like, there really are no canonical fairy
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Speaker 2: movies outside of Fern Gully and like one other we
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Speaker 2: talked to Peter Pan, there's like a few mermaid movies there.
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Speaker 1: You know, where the fairies are currently are books because
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Speaker 1: with the explosion of Romanticy, every book is fairy poorn.
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Speaker 1: You know, Sarah J. Moss like created a whole industry
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Speaker 1: around this. So I do think that maybe like in
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Speaker 1: a couple years, when we start seeing film adaptations of
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Speaker 1: those Romanticy books, then we're gonna have a wave of
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Speaker 1: fairy uh. Takeover, which you will be ready and waiting
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Speaker 1: to be uh loaded up by.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was I I think I remember you talking
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Speaker 2: about this when the you know, Connor story Hudson Williams
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Speaker 2: fairy Porn audio fairy porn came out and.
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Speaker 1: Were they like their wings were erotically charged, right.
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Speaker 2: But my thing is that I I I know, I
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Speaker 2: just people don't read ros people.
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Speaker 1: That's that's really not true.
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Speaker 2: No, no, people are not reading people don't read books.
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Speaker 1: That's not true. The book industry is it really is.
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Speaker 2: No, and and and people don't read books, and so
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Speaker 2: a bunch of fairy books that's just not going to
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Speaker 2: penetrate the culture.
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Speaker 1: Rose well, but that's what I'm saying is once they
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Speaker 1: become movies that which.
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Speaker 2: Willate the culture three to three, three to seven years.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's actually I'm surprised that like none of the
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Speaker 1: Sarah J. Moss books, I think there was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be a Hulu TV show adaptation. They're so bad. Though,
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Speaker 1: I do think they could use a little a little
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Speaker 1: sprinkle of what Twilight got when it was adapted into
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Speaker 1: film and they made it cool in a way that
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Speaker 1: the books never were before. You know, the Twilight Renaissance
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to read that fairy book. What is
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Speaker 2: it called again?
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Speaker 1: A Court of Thorns and Roses? Don't read it? Oh,
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Speaker 1: it's the most heterosexual thing ever?
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Speaker 2: Is Was there another? Is this is Sarah J. Moss?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, she also has another series that I haven't read.
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Speaker 1: I think Throne of Glass question remark. I read like
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Speaker 1: the first four of the Court of Thorns and Roses
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Speaker 1: books because I was bored in La one summer, and
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Speaker 1: they are really, really badly written. It's it's like, is
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Speaker 1: there the men book? The men are always growling, and
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Speaker 1: the there's this funny thing where the main girl she's
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Speaker 1: constantly talking about how when she's scared, her bowels turned
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Speaker 1: to water. It's a phrase that's used over and over again.
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, this girl is constantly shitting herself in beer.
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Speaker 2: Wait? What?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: That is crazy. Yeah, but it's not erotic or it is.
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Speaker 1: No, the books erotic. The shitting herself is not erotic.
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Speaker 1: So sorry, the books are poorn.
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Speaker 2: And is there a good fairy book?
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Speaker 1: No? Uh, not comes to mind, not that I've read.
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Speaker 2: We should we should co write it?
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, finally we'll finally do our Midsummer Night's
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Speaker 1: Dream adaptation.
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Speaker 2: Oh right, okay, sounds good.
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21:19
Speaker 2: around on topics where our Deep Dive episodes have a
21:23
Speaker 2: little more thoroughness to them.
21:26
Speaker 1: Oh can I wait? Can I say now? I just
21:28
Speaker 1: want to say something really quickly. Yes, unrelated. The amount
21:35
Speaker 1: of Virgins who have reached out either in the comments
21:40
Speaker 1: on Spotify or Patreon or over dms or email in
21:44
Speaker 1: some cases, to you know, give their condolences about my
21:49
Speaker 1: grandma Harriet passing has just been really sweet and has
21:54
Speaker 1: made me feel very held and loved. For the past
21:56
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks, some of you have shared stories
21:59
Speaker 1: about your own grandmothers that have literally brought me to tears.
22:04
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that and this community that we
22:09
Speaker 1: have here, which I think, you know, like really has
22:13
Speaker 1: the opportunity to grow now that we're back, and like
22:17
Speaker 1: really passionate about this again.
22:20
Speaker 2: I honestly love the Virgins, and I.
22:23
Speaker 1: Love the Virgins so much. Y'all are the best ever.
22:28
Speaker 2: Please continue to recruit a lot of people don't even
22:31
Speaker 2: know we have we still have a podcast. I feel
22:33
Speaker 2: like I'm asked every week, Oh, whatever happened to like
22:35
Speaker 2: a Virgin? I miss like a Virgin?
22:37
Speaker 1: We're like Diva totally.
22:39
Speaker 2: It's on. Anyways, evangelize to the virgins in your life
22:43
Speaker 2: and thank you for lifting up our Darling Rose.
22:47
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the some of the culture
22:50
Speaker 1: we've been consuming, some of the stuff we some of
22:54
Speaker 1: the other stuff we watched, Listen to what we were
22:57
Speaker 1: on the island.
22:59
Speaker 2: Books, music, yeah, let's do so.
23:01
Speaker 1: Let's do some quick Let's do some quick book wrecks.
23:04
Speaker 2: Okay, we I think you have one and.
23:05
Speaker 1: I have one yes on the island. This week I
23:10
Speaker 1: read an advanced copy of a novel that I was
23:12
Speaker 1: gifted at last week's Pride Book Fair, which I was
23:15
Speaker 1: lucky enough to be part of. I got to lead
23:18
Speaker 1: a panel with Jeff Hiller, Ros Hernandez and Elliott Glazer
23:22
Speaker 1: and signed copies of my books. I met some virgins there,
23:25
Speaker 1: which was so cool. But while I was there, I
23:28
Speaker 1: was gifted in advanced copy of the novel Carrying by
23:32
Speaker 1: Samantha Josephs. And it's one of the best books I've
23:37
Speaker 1: read this year. Down as Frank can attest, I was
23:42
Speaker 1: reading it by the pool, cackling all all weekend. I
23:47
Speaker 1: finished the book in like two and a half days.
23:51
Speaker 1: I don't want to give too much away because you
23:53
Speaker 1: know it doesn't come out for a couple of months,
23:54
Speaker 1: and I definitely will mention this again closer to launch
23:59
Speaker 1: so that y'all know, But put those preorders in now.
24:04
Speaker 1: As a debut author, Samantha Joseph's is a debut author.
24:09
Speaker 1: I mean, for all authors that you care about, pre
24:12
Speaker 1: orders are insanely important. Pre order the paperback copy of
24:18
Speaker 1: Best Woman, coming out September twenty third. This novel is
24:23
Speaker 1: about a trans woman named Martha who's thirty nine and
24:26
Speaker 1: living in la and she is stealth to the extreme,
24:32
Speaker 1: so stealth that her husband does not know she's trans.
24:37
Speaker 1: And the book opens with her faking a miscarriage. And
24:42
Speaker 1: it's this sort of trans body horror where we have
24:46
Speaker 1: this protagonist who is like the perfect housewife. She suddenly
24:49
Speaker 1: starts having these weird symptoms and the only way to
24:52
Speaker 1: treat them is by eating rotten meat and other crazy things.
25:00
Speaker 1: And then miraculously she gets pregnant, which is which is crazy.
25:08
Speaker 2: It's a perfect perfect conceit for a book.
25:10
Speaker 1: It's psychotic, it's so funny, it's so tense. I spent
25:17
Speaker 1: so much of the book just on the night on
25:20
Speaker 1: the knife's edge of tension because this character is doing
25:24
Speaker 1: so much lying and keeping so many balls, like juggling
25:28
Speaker 1: in the air, and then all of a sudden she's
25:30
Speaker 1: having I mean, not a virgin birth, but a miraculous birth. Yeah,
25:35
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's gross, like really nasty, it's sexy at
25:42
Speaker 1: certain points, it is incredible. I'm really excited for Samantha
25:49
Speaker 1: Joseph's and what she does next, And just like this book,
25:53
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a huge hit and
25:55
Speaker 1: definitely read it when it comes out October sixth.
25:58
Speaker 2: We need more representation for immaculate conception that I think,
26:04
Speaker 2: like when Sydney Sweeney did What's what's the fucking movie
26:07
Speaker 2: it's called? It's called like.
26:09
Speaker 1: Immaculate, immaculate, which I think, on further reflection, was not
26:14
Speaker 1: as good as I initially thought.
26:15
Speaker 2: Of, a really boring movie with like the best ending ever.
26:19
Speaker 2: Yes to me, like that you should fucking ending. Ever,
26:22
Speaker 2: just watch the end if.
26:23
Speaker 1: You're gonna, yeah, watch the end and then watch the
26:26
Speaker 1: first omen because that's a much better pregnancy body horror movie.
26:31
Speaker 2: Love it. I'm probably gonna borrow it from you. Honestly,
26:36
Speaker 2: I would say we could trade, but I don't think
26:38
Speaker 2: you will like the book that I'm reading, which is
26:40
Speaker 2: called Paradise Logic by Sophie Kemp. I can't remember the
26:43
Speaker 2: last time I was in a bookstore and I just
26:47
Speaker 2: like wandered in the bookstore, was browsing casually. I look
26:50
Speaker 2: at the table of books, I go, oh, that's an
26:52
Speaker 2: interesting cover. I flip it around. I read the first
26:55
Speaker 2: few pages, and I go, huh, I'm gonna buy this book.
26:58
Speaker 1: I love that. I actually I don't. When I saw
27:02
Speaker 1: this book. I've had that same experience with this book
27:06
Speaker 1: many times in bookstores, where it's like, oh, that looks
27:08
Speaker 1: really interesting, I should buy it, and I just never
27:11
Speaker 1: did well.
27:12
Speaker 2: I never browse for books like that. I always either
27:15
Speaker 2: buy books because I hear about them, or I you know,
27:19
Speaker 2: a friend wrote it, or it's sent to me or whatever.
27:22
Speaker 2: And this book is about a young woman named Reality Con.
27:26
Speaker 2: She's like twenty three year old. She's a twenty three
27:28
Speaker 2: year old Zeine maker. I would describe her as a
27:32
Speaker 2: kind of contemporary fairal woman, Like she's pretty stupid. She's
27:37
Speaker 2: like really really stupid.
27:40
Speaker 1: She like dumb bitch representation.
27:42
Speaker 2: Yes, it's dumb bitch representation. It's also like a kind
27:45
Speaker 2: of I would say, egirl epic. She is like lives
27:50
Speaker 2: in a nasty little apartment and like she like has
27:53
Speaker 2: regular sex with a drug dealer and she has zero
27:56
Speaker 2: aspirations in life. And the voice of the author is
28:00
Speaker 2: extremely funny. It's very like brain dead e girl. And
28:06
Speaker 2: then there's also this like kind of ferrality to it
28:09
Speaker 2: and almost alien quality, like she's still learning how to
28:12
Speaker 2: speak English. Sometimes it's very funny. And the whole like
28:17
Speaker 2: plot is that she did upon uh once after having
28:22
Speaker 2: one discussion with her fuck buddy, decides that she now
28:26
Speaker 2: aspires to be the greatest girlfriend of all time, and
28:29
Speaker 2: she is like questing through Brooklyn to try and find
28:33
Speaker 2: a boyfriend. And that's it the beginning, I would say,
28:37
Speaker 2: the open the introduction to this novel, which has like
28:41
Speaker 2: a different voice, and POV is so beautiful, like it's
28:47
Speaker 2: it's so stunning and and strings together the story, the
28:53
Speaker 2: contemporary story of reality can to an archaic like history
28:59
Speaker 2: of girlfriends and boyfriends dating all the way back to
29:03
Speaker 2: Adam and Eve, and it's really and it's just it's
29:06
Speaker 2: just a really hilarious kind of voice. I don't think
29:10
Speaker 2: it feels particularly plotted, which is why I don't think
29:13
Speaker 2: it's really for you. It's definitely not, but it is
29:18
Speaker 2: slightly surreal and it is very funny.
29:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I could read kind of atmospheric novels
29:26
Speaker 1: like that, but I really need a driving plot.
29:31
Speaker 2: I like a book that feels like a real woman.
29:34
Speaker 2: And it does feel like a kind of real woman,
29:36
Speaker 2: somebody that I don't really want to meet, but somebody
29:39
Speaker 2: that I love following around.
29:41
Speaker 1: A real What do you mean by a real woman?
29:44
Speaker 2: Like the realness? You know what I'm talking about?
29:48
Speaker 1: So real, so real, so real. Okay, I'm thinking to
29:57
Speaker 1: talk music.
29:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk music, so I'll get this out of
30:02
Speaker 2: the way. Right before the recording started, I was like,
30:04
Speaker 2: oh my god, you have to listen to this this
30:07
Speaker 2: song that our darling Cherry sent me. She sent it
30:11
Speaker 2: to me like I think, probably two or three in
30:13
Speaker 2: the morning, probably a little cross faded, and it was
30:16
Speaker 2: like this this message that was kind of like I
30:17
Speaker 2: love you, I love you my friend, like be just
30:19
Speaker 2: it's like a really cute when you you know, when
30:21
Speaker 2: you sometimes you said like your friend or a loved one,
30:23
Speaker 2: like a drunk messenger, You're like, I love you so much.
30:25
Speaker 2: I'm just so happy to have you in my life.
30:27
Speaker 2: She sent me a message like that, and then she
30:28
Speaker 2: sent me a link to a song from the Sonic
30:34
Speaker 2: the Hedgehog soundtrack. It is the Sonic Are Original soundtrack.
30:39
Speaker 2: This song she sent me was let Me Find It.
30:46
Speaker 2: It's called Diamond and the Rough. But the song that
30:50
Speaker 2: I sent to you is can You Feel the Sunshine?
30:54
Speaker 2: This whole album slaps I like like opened it up
30:59
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, this is the
31:02
Speaker 2: This song is kind of crazy good, even though it's
31:05
Speaker 2: giving video game soundtrack. But then I remember that the
31:07
Speaker 2: things that we like to listen to and all the
31:10
Speaker 2: music that's trending is video game soundtrack.
31:14
Speaker 1: Very true, And I.
31:15
Speaker 2: Want to know what did you think of it?
31:17
Speaker 1: I thought it was really fun. I was kind of
31:19
Speaker 1: finding myself wishing we had been listening to it by
31:21
Speaker 1: the pool.
31:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was giving. It's giving pool side hyper pop.
31:26
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, okay, it could go on your
31:28
Speaker 1: Prozac Bops playlist.
31:29
Speaker 2: It could go on my Prozac Bops playlist. It could
31:31
Speaker 2: be well, it's not the right era, but it yeah, yeah, true,
31:35
Speaker 2: but it was giving, Like Okay, lou On like crack.
31:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very nightcore remix of a song that
31:44
Speaker 1: was already a hyper to begin with, right right, but
31:49
Speaker 1: it makes me want to be ass out by the pool.
31:52
Speaker 2: I uh yeah. And if you if you want something
31:56
Speaker 2: delicious and silly to add to a playlist, I would
31:59
Speaker 2: recommend these songs. Like our original soundtrack, we also listened
32:05
Speaker 2: to Wink Wank. It took us a couple of days
32:08
Speaker 2: to listen to it.
32:10
Speaker 1: Yes, the new Charlie XX song. I didn't listen to
32:14
Speaker 1: the song, but I did watch the video, so I
32:17
Speaker 1: did listen to the song, but with the additive visual medium,
32:22
Speaker 1: and I liked it. I think it's me. Is it
32:26
Speaker 1: my favorite of the singles she's released so far? No,
32:29
Speaker 1: I think Spring. I think Spring Summer twenty six is
32:32
Speaker 1: still my favorite. But I really liked this.
32:35
Speaker 2: I am excited for this album. I think I really
32:41
Speaker 2: love an album artist, and Charlie to me is very
32:44
Speaker 2: much so an album artist, like for sure, always creating
32:48
Speaker 2: a world or a concept or an aesthetic within a package,
32:52
Speaker 2: and this is clearly no different. She claims in interviews
32:58
Speaker 2: that it's not a rock albums, so I'm not going
33:01
Speaker 2: to call it a rock album. But it's definitely all
33:03
Speaker 2: three singles that have been released very explicitly referenced rock
33:07
Speaker 2: music and sample a certain kind of sound that's reminiscent
33:12
Speaker 2: of a kind of you know, speed garage aesthetic or honestly,
33:18
Speaker 2: sometimes the Smith, the Smith's, sometimes the Cure. Honestly, Charlie
33:24
Speaker 2: also references Robert Smith quite a bit in her.
33:28
Speaker 1: Also kind of like lou Reed vibes a little bit.
33:31
Speaker 1: Charlie's a big lou Reed fan. Charlie loves men who
33:35
Speaker 1: make She does love men who make music, yes, and
33:40
Speaker 1: I think as most female pop stars do.
33:43
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, and I hate to compare the two, but because
33:48
Speaker 2: this album, because the singles that have been released so
33:51
Speaker 2: far do feel a little bit like this era of
33:54
Speaker 2: the Cure, I have to compare it to Olivia Rigo's album,
33:59
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of like, is Charlie going to release
34:02
Speaker 2: a rock album that had the teeth that we were
34:05
Speaker 2: looking for with Olivia? Like, Charlie to me is kind
34:09
Speaker 2: of queen of the raw edges. She's kind of queen
34:12
Speaker 2: of the unvarnished like dirty girl, girl who fucks kind
34:16
Speaker 2: of esthetic. But I also know that that it's not
34:20
Speaker 2: but it's not pop punk. It's not super sweet like Olivia.
34:24
Speaker 2: It's not. It doesn't have the beautiful melodies that Olivia has.
34:27
Speaker 2: So maybe it's silly to compare them, but I.
34:30
Speaker 1: Know I don't. I don't think it's silly because it's
34:32
Speaker 1: it's similar. I think where it is, I think living
34:39
Speaker 1: in a similar space that I do. Think pop stars
34:43
Speaker 1: are coming to more now. I think everyone is kind
34:46
Speaker 1: of in or entering their rock era. Yeah, and really
34:51
Speaker 1: like not even just lyrically, but like the production in
34:57
Speaker 1: Charlie's songs so far have more of that grit we
35:00
Speaker 1: were really missing on the Olivia tracks, you know, saying
35:04
Speaker 1: that everything on that album, as much as we liked
35:08
Speaker 1: a lot of the songs, everything just sounded a little
35:10
Speaker 1: too perfect. And with Charlie like it, like everything Charlie
35:16
Speaker 1: does is always well produced, because like that is like
35:19
Speaker 1: really the place where it seems like she comes from
35:22
Speaker 1: first is like songwriting and production more than like vocal performance,
35:29
Speaker 1: And so the production has felt really intentional, Like I
35:33
Speaker 1: love like Spring Summer twenty six, I love how like
35:35
Speaker 1: quiet it is on Wink Wink, Like there's there's just
35:39
Speaker 1: like a lot more texture in the music than there
35:43
Speaker 1: was on the Olivia album. But I kind of like
35:47
Speaker 1: the Olivia album more because I do think with rock particularly,
35:53
Speaker 1: I am drawn to rock with a really good singer,
35:58
Speaker 1: and Charlie is not an amazing singer, Like I think.
36:02
Speaker 2: She doesn't have to because the autotune, you know, Yeah,
36:05
Speaker 2: but I guess she does a lot of like monotone.
36:08
Speaker 1: Singing too, yeah and well, And I think the stuff
36:12
Speaker 1: that she's done so far, like bringing everything into a
36:15
Speaker 1: little bit of like a grungier lower like minor key,
36:20
Speaker 1: almost does allow her v do allow her vocals to
36:26
Speaker 1: shine a little bit more like. I actually think she
36:28
Speaker 1: sounds really nice on this most recent song and on
36:30
Speaker 1: Spring Summer twenty six.
36:32
Speaker 2: I was just about to say Spring Summer twenty six,
36:34
Speaker 2: she sounds on autotuned. I mean she probably was, but
36:38
Speaker 2: she sounds really like.
36:40
Speaker 1: It's not the kind of distortion where you used to yes.
36:43
Speaker 2: And I loved that. I thought it was so nice. Yeah,
36:47
Speaker 2: it's I think cher When we were talking about Olivia
36:53
Speaker 2: on our last episode, I was just thinking more about
36:56
Speaker 2: what is kind of missing from the Olivia package, and
36:59
Speaker 2: then I thought about the NYMPHA alumni episode explaining the
37:06
Speaker 2: cherry dark feminine archetype which I had talked to you,
37:10
Speaker 2: said to you as kind of the fairy girl esthetic, huh,
37:13
Speaker 2: And it's this, It's something about this like slightly innocent
37:16
Speaker 2: but like dark sexy femme that is like kind of goth,
37:21
Speaker 2: kind of alt kind of Spencer's gifts. And I think
37:26
Speaker 2: that that's something that Olivia is like vying for but
37:29
Speaker 2: actually is not really selling to me. And that's just
37:32
Speaker 2: something that Charlie has always been.
37:34
Speaker 1: I mean, Charlie's she's not authentically like I We've all
37:39
Speaker 1: seen the u ha ha ha video, Like we know
37:42
Speaker 1: she was like having her parents drive her to perform
37:45
Speaker 1: at raves when she was a teenager, like she is,
37:48
Speaker 1: she's a party girl. And so her making this kind
37:51
Speaker 1: of rock tinged music like makes more sense than you know, Olivia.
37:58
Speaker 1: But the thing but like Olivia does have the I
38:01
Speaker 1: think her pen is stronger than Charlie's.
38:05
Speaker 2: Do you mean in terms of lyricism.
38:07
Speaker 1: Lyricism and I think and and like, I think like
38:10
Speaker 1: poetic lyricism like Charlie. I love how raw and honest
38:16
Speaker 1: her lyrics like yes, like especially in this new song
38:20
Speaker 1: Wink Wink, it is so confessional, like she's talking about
38:23
Speaker 1: how she like people said she dressed slutty, and so
38:26
Speaker 1: now she shops.
38:26
Speaker 2: At APC specifically name checks Rassam the yeah d different
38:31
Speaker 2: Vampire Weekend. I guess the musician from Vampire Weekend.
38:33
Speaker 1: It's yeah. I mean, it's very different kinds of songwriting.
38:37
Speaker 1: It's just like, I'm always gonna prefer a really beautiful
38:40
Speaker 1: voice like Olivia's singing basically any kind of music, right,
38:45
Speaker 1: I but but I might. I think we were gonna
38:48
Speaker 1: we might agree that when the album comes out, because Charlie,
38:52
Speaker 1: I agree, is an album artist. I probably, I'm guessing
38:57
Speaker 1: now will ultimately like that album as a whole more
39:00
Speaker 1: than I like. Olivia's not to pit women against each other.
39:03
Speaker 2: But we are and we do. I'll be curious, like, yeah,
39:08
Speaker 2: what the rest of the album would give If she's
39:09
Speaker 2: saying it's not a rock album. I'm curious if it
39:12
Speaker 2: actually willer won't be, especially since like Beyonce's Renaissance Act
39:17
Speaker 2: three is allegedly a rock album. I feel like last
39:20
Speaker 2: year the kind of Geese is once happened.
39:24
Speaker 1: Again. We've had to have this conversation many times. It's
39:29
Speaker 1: because they are they are emerging for the first time.
39:32
Speaker 2: Sorry debut, the they debut of Geese and the their
39:36
Speaker 2: throttle into full fucking like megalomania.
39:42
Speaker 1: Cultural I've never listened to Geese.
39:44
Speaker 2: I tried, I I I love that the guitarist is
39:49
Speaker 2: trans transgender.
39:50
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that.
39:51
Speaker 2: I know most people don't. I think she's trying to
39:54
Speaker 2: be stell sorry trans guitarists that I just doubted, but
39:58
Speaker 2: she But yeah, I love that people listen to it.
40:02
Speaker 2: I like that people are listening to like really thrashy,
40:05
Speaker 2: kind of untethered no bpm kind of rock ensemble.
40:12
Speaker 1: Well, it's it does seem to me to line up
40:17
Speaker 1: with the larger cultural shift away from AI and anything
40:25
Speaker 1: that's artificially crafted and so like returning to these forms
40:29
Speaker 1: of music that are more analog like that really tracks
40:33
Speaker 1: for me.
40:34
Speaker 2: Yes, And also like, in terms of the ethos of rock,
40:40
Speaker 2: obviously so many different kind of movements in rock history
40:43
Speaker 2: that someone can explain better, but thinking about how very
40:49
Speaker 2: often rock artists rock aesthetic is in opposition to right
40:55
Speaker 2: and how we in this culture are currently in opposition
40:59
Speaker 2: to a lot of things. It captures a the dare
41:04
Speaker 2: I say, rage or an anguish or a nihilism that
41:09
Speaker 2: I think I personally would be really looking forward to,
41:12
Speaker 2: which is why I'm rooting for Charlie's album to be
41:14
Speaker 2: a full rock album. I'm rooting for the kind of
41:17
Speaker 2: rock renaissance, and that would be a rock that would
41:20
Speaker 2: be yes, okay.
41:21
Speaker 1: Pop rock, Yes, pop punk.
41:23
Speaker 2: I mean Coping Mechanism by Willow the standard, the gold standard. Absolutely, Okay.
41:31
Speaker 1: Uh, we talk TV, Yeah, let's talk to you the Dragon.
41:37
Speaker 2: Is there even anything that we can say about the
41:41
Speaker 2: new House of Dragon outside of the fact that I mean,
41:45
Speaker 2: we're really just rooting for the dragons here.
41:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is the hard part is that we're
41:50
Speaker 1: entering the period where you're reminded, oh right, this is
41:54
Speaker 1: the war where all the dragons die.
41:58
Speaker 2: It's and every time it happens, it's so upsetting. It's
42:01
Speaker 2: so much more upsetting when a dragon dies than when
42:05
Speaker 2: a human being.
42:05
Speaker 1: Dies, oh one thousand.
42:08
Speaker 2: And It's like, at a certain point it's like, I'm
42:10
Speaker 2: not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican. I am in
42:13
Speaker 2: the Dragon party.
42:15
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm yes, Like I'm team Black because Rania is
42:19
Speaker 1: the rightful heir to the throne and I love her,
42:23
Speaker 1: but I'm team Dragons.
42:25
Speaker 2: Uh.
42:26
Speaker 1: That that they're who I care about. And I did
42:29
Speaker 1: appreciate that this episode there there were a lot of dragons,
42:35
Speaker 1: like that's something something I'm disappointed in about the show
42:39
Speaker 1: often is that there's not enough dragon stuff. But this
42:42
Speaker 1: episode was chalk full of.
42:44
Speaker 2: Dragons, beautiful dragons, dragon's being dragons doing like quiet beautiful things.
42:50
Speaker 1: I mean like Baylor's dragon being named moon Dancer. That's
42:54
Speaker 1: such a gorgeous name for.
42:56
Speaker 2: A dragon, and uh.
42:59
Speaker 1: George R. Mar And really popped off with that one.
43:02
Speaker 2: It's gotta be a fairy name as well.
43:04
Speaker 1: Your moon Dancer totally is for sure a fair name. Totally.
43:08
Speaker 1: I've seen her at the Maypole, something that.
43:11
Speaker 2: Was interested to me. So virgins who may maybe did
43:14
Speaker 2: or did not watch the episode, Raniera has essentially somewhat functionally,
43:21
Speaker 2: maybe not fully effectively reclaimed the throne. She has sat
43:26
Speaker 2: back on the iron throne, storming the castle with four dragons.
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Speaker 1: Question Mark, it was, yes, so it was her with
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Speaker 1: Cyrax Damon with kaxies and then the two uh dragon riders,
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Speaker 1: Alf and the other guy.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there were there were four and upon. There's a
43:47
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that happens. But the thing that I
43:49
Speaker 2: wanted to discuss with you. Is that at the very
43:51
Speaker 2: end of the so in this like takeover, she has
43:55
Speaker 2: already kind of done some political espionage and colluded with
44:05
Speaker 2: Allison and said, Okay, if you can lure Aiden Agon,
44:11
Speaker 2: if you can lure Egon away from the castle, I'll
44:14
Speaker 2: take it over and I'll let you go for it.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, that was not the deal. Actually she was
44:19
Speaker 1: supposed she was. No, she was supposed to hand Eggon over.
44:23
Speaker 1: Allison literally traded Agon and aimed away to Ranier. She
44:29
Speaker 1: was like, you can kill them as long as you
44:32
Speaker 1: let me and Helena escape. I want this to be over, okay. So,
44:37
Speaker 1: so that's why Rania was so pissed when Agon wasn't there,
44:42
Speaker 1: when she was like find me, yes, uh she So
44:52
Speaker 1: Allison's end of the bargain was you know, she was
44:54
Speaker 1: supposed to make sure that it was easy for them
44:56
Speaker 1: to get into the castle, and that was why she
44:58
Speaker 1: was running around on talking to this people. She did
45:01
Speaker 1: do that. She followed through on her half of the bargain.
45:04
Speaker 1: She almost got raped. She's really always going through it.
45:09
Speaker 1: Last week she got non consensually kissed by her son.
45:12
Speaker 1: This week she almost got fully raped by literally the
45:17
Speaker 1: master of Laws.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, some dude who I've never paid attention to before
45:22
Speaker 2: this moment. And yeah, anyways, but the thing the tea
45:26
Speaker 2: at the end was that Allison, though trying to escape safely,
45:32
Speaker 2: was in fact caught and brought back to Raniera. And
45:34
Speaker 2: that's where the episode ends. And we see in the
45:36
Speaker 2: episode preview for the next episode that Allison and Raniera
45:41
Speaker 2: are still talking, perhaps plotting together, which means that ostensibly
45:45
Speaker 2: Raniera has welcomed her back into her console. I want
45:49
Speaker 2: to know what you think is going to happen in
45:50
Speaker 2: that relationship.
45:51
Speaker 1: I you know, it's interesting because I have the prior
45:56
Speaker 1: knowledge of the source material. But the source material is
46:01
Speaker 1: that relationship is the thing that's most different in the
46:04
Speaker 1: show than in the source material because in the in
46:07
Speaker 1: the book Fire and Blood, Allison is much older than Raniera,
46:10
Speaker 1: they have no friendship that they just they just fucking
46:15
Speaker 1: hate each other. So I do think like it's gonna
46:20
Speaker 1: be more like, Okay, Allison's here, she's now a prisoner
46:24
Speaker 1: of war essentially, but like she's at least safe, and
46:28
Speaker 1: she's gonna be I think she's gonna fall back into
46:31
Speaker 1: being Raniera's friend and hopefully they will finally fuck. I
46:36
Speaker 1: actually don't think it's that out of the question that
46:38
Speaker 1: they will hook up, because of everything they've done with
46:42
Speaker 1: Rania and Massaria and how obsessed the fan base is
46:48
Speaker 1: with them as a couple. I think we could be
46:50
Speaker 1: actually getting uhar renear ascent at some point, I hope.
47:00
Speaker 1: So I want to see them scissor on a dragon.
47:04
Speaker 2: I want to see them sixty nine ing boots. Honestly,
47:10
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever really seen like girl to
47:13
Speaker 2: girls sixty nineing and media outside of Blue is the
47:17
Speaker 2: worm as color.
47:17
Speaker 1: Oh wait, speaking of sixty nine ing, little quick, little plug,
47:22
Speaker 1: I've started recently watching The Americans and then the opening.
47:26
Speaker 1: It's so good.
47:27
Speaker 2: By the way, what's the Americans? For?
47:28
Speaker 1: The visins The Americans is Carrie Russell and Matthew Reese.
47:32
Speaker 1: They are Russian spies who have inserted themselves into American life,
47:38
Speaker 1: and they like fully have kids, they have a house,
47:41
Speaker 1: they have a fake real estate business. But they are
47:43
Speaker 1: Russian spies. And this is in nineteen eighty one, so
47:46
Speaker 1: like peak Cold War, and so they're like always going
47:51
Speaker 1: on these missions. They wear a lot of wigs. It's
47:53
Speaker 1: really thrilling, amazing writing incredible acting. It's also where those
47:58
Speaker 1: two actors who were playing Huz and wife they fell
48:01
Speaker 1: in love irl as they were making the show, and
48:03
Speaker 1: their chemistry is insane and the oh the first episode
48:10
Speaker 1: of season two, their daughter walks in on them sixty
48:14
Speaker 1: nine ing what, Yes, their daughter is like kind of
48:20
Speaker 1: cottoning onto the fact that they hide things from her.
48:22
Speaker 1: So she just walks into their room and they are
48:25
Speaker 1: laid up in bed, sixty nine ing, it's so good.
48:30
Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. That sounds like the representation I'm looking for.
48:33
Speaker 1: All it is, it's you know what it is. It's
48:36
Speaker 1: better than Salt, I'll say that.
48:38
Speaker 2: Oh girl, we watched Salt on Fire Island. What an
48:45
Speaker 2: incredibly mid if not mid to.
48:48
Speaker 1: Bad movie, but still gaggy.
48:51
Speaker 2: Well the name one thing that's gaggy aside from when
48:55
Speaker 2: she jumped from car to car and when she dyed
48:57
Speaker 2: her hair.
48:58
Speaker 1: Uh, when she went on to cover as a man,
49:01
Speaker 1: when she when she was in when she was in
49:04
Speaker 1: the untrainy Valley.
49:05
Speaker 2: Oh right, that was amazing. That made the whole movie
49:08
Speaker 2: worth it for me. Okay, So for those the virgins.
49:11
Speaker 2: Salt is a spy drama from twenty ten. Starring Angelina
49:17
Speaker 2: Joe Lee. It is. That's pretty much all.
49:21
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. She famously, I had
49:25
Speaker 1: not seen this since it originally came out, and the
49:27
Speaker 1: only plot point I remembered was that at one point
49:30
Speaker 1: she dyes her hair brown. H And that is kind
49:33
Speaker 1: of the only really important thing you need to know
49:35
Speaker 1: about the movie.
49:36
Speaker 2: The other thing you need to know is that the
49:38
Speaker 2: movie was written for Tom Cruise. So it's like very
49:41
Speaker 2: obviously a kind of water down, Mission Impossible style film.
49:48
Speaker 1: And the writing is bad.
49:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, hmm, maybe women shouldn't be in movies. No,
49:56
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. That's like probably what I mean, it's
49:59
Speaker 2: probably whatever single fucking film producer thought when this movie
50:03
Speaker 2: came out, because it was not good, I wonder. But
50:05
Speaker 2: let me see, I forgot that it was nominated for
50:08
Speaker 2: Best Sound Mixing and at the eighties.
50:10
Speaker 1: Did it tank at the box office?
50:12
Speaker 2: Or well? No, no, it was.
50:13
Speaker 1: It was.
50:14
Speaker 2: It generally received positive reviews, with some criticism on the writing.
50:19
Speaker 2: It grows two hundred and ninety four million worldwide.
50:22
Speaker 1: Oh that's pretty that's pretty good for twenty It.
50:25
Speaker 2: Makes sense because Angelina and Jolee. But the movie was
50:28
Speaker 2: not good. I thought that like something like Laura like
50:33
Speaker 2: tomb Raider. Her original tomb Raider, I would say, is better,
50:37
Speaker 2: but only because it's campier.
50:39
Speaker 1: I haven't seen those in so long. We should we should.
50:43
Speaker 2: Uh, they're not amazing. They're not amazing.
50:45
Speaker 1: We should watch them.
50:46
Speaker 2: But they're not amazing. But they're better than Salt. I
50:49
Speaker 2: was kind of thinking, like, what is the best female.
50:52
Speaker 1: Oh, you would be, you would be. Tomb Raider would
50:54
Speaker 1: be a great Halloween costume for you. Add that to
50:56
Speaker 1: your list.
50:57
Speaker 2: Oh my god, between that and.
50:58
Speaker 1: With the pointy boom and fran Dresher.
51:02
Speaker 2: Actually, that would be so hot.
51:06
Speaker 1: Another film we watched was Escape Room two Tournament of
51:11
Speaker 1: Champions from twenty twenty one. You might recall that we
51:15
Speaker 1: watched the first Escape Room movie while we were in
51:19
Speaker 1: Mexico City. I believe we talked about it on the
51:21
Speaker 1: episode that we recorded there and so with our friends
51:24
Speaker 1: on Fire Island. The other night we watched the shequel,
51:28
Speaker 1: and you know, the premise didn't quite hold up. There
51:33
Speaker 1: were some fun sequences, but altogether it was a bit
51:38
Speaker 1: of a letdown. India more doing some really screechy acting.
51:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, she India Moore, I was excited to see in
51:49
Speaker 2: this film, and the film itself just unfortunately paled in
51:52
Speaker 2: comparison to the first one. The first one I loved.
51:55
Speaker 1: The first one's a masterpiece.
51:56
Speaker 2: I thought it was actually incredible. Well not so much,
52:02
Speaker 2: but you know, it's important that we have like women
52:04
Speaker 2: that are leading action franchises, and Taylor Russell is fab
52:09
Speaker 2: in it. Thinking about that, thinking about Salt, I want
52:13
Speaker 2: to know, like, what you think the best women led
52:18
Speaker 2: action movies are not franchises, like like a movie. I mean,
52:22
Speaker 2: we can count franchises, but not like TV if.
52:24
Speaker 1: That makes sense, okay, like if well, obviously Buffy the
52:28
Speaker 1: Vampire Slayer TV.
52:30
Speaker 2: No, no, no, sorry, We're doing movies.
52:32
Speaker 1: Movies, Okay, movies, movies. That's the best, Okay, I would say, like,
52:37
Speaker 1: I'm more into uh oh, Terminator, that's oh women, hold on,
52:44
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, vamp vamp.
52:46
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, and I'll have to repeat this for Rose,
52:48
Speaker 2: forgive me virgins that if we're stacking mad Max crouching.
52:54
Speaker 1: Yes, Sarah Connor, Terminator is female led. Sarah Connor is
52:59
Speaker 1: the character of the Terminator franchise. Really yeah, okay, I
53:05
Speaker 1: mean I guess like it's the Terminator, but like it's
53:08
Speaker 1: really Sarah Connor.
53:09
Speaker 2: So Terminator Alien.
53:13
Speaker 1: Atomic Blonde. You don't think that movie ranks Anaconda.
53:17
Speaker 2: I don't think Anaconda is so good.
53:20
Speaker 1: But Red Sparrows starring Jennifer Lawrence, a really sickening spy
53:25
Speaker 1: thriller that not enough people talk about.
53:27
Speaker 2: I have never seen it. Actually I would love to watch.
53:30
Speaker 2: I want to say that Atomic Blonde doesn't rank. I'm
53:32
Speaker 2: also going to say that Anaconda j Loo is not
53:34
Speaker 2: prominently featured enough and does not rank. I'm gonna say
53:37
Speaker 2: that Kill Bill oh period. Obviously, I think.
53:41
Speaker 1: Number one the Pinnacle.
53:43
Speaker 2: I I'm not sure if I want to throw Hunger
53:46
Speaker 2: Games in the mix. I honestly think that the fran
53:48
Speaker 2: that the movie is better than the lead. Sorry, I
53:51
Speaker 2: hate to say it.
53:53
Speaker 1: Well, we were just talking last night about how miscast
53:56
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence was in the X Men films.
53:59
Speaker 2: Maybe that's our second bonus episode?
54:01
Speaker 1: Oh x Men?
54:03
Speaker 2: Yes?
54:04
Speaker 1: But which homework assignment for the Virgins? X Men ninety
54:08
Speaker 1: seven just returned on Disney Plus. I will definitely be
54:12
Speaker 1: talking about it as the second season goes on, because
54:14
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite shows on TV it's so good,
54:19
Speaker 1: fran I think you should catch up on season one
54:21
Speaker 1: and watch season two. We can. I will totally watch
54:27
Speaker 1: with you if you want to do that.
54:29
Speaker 2: And on a second piece of homework for the visions
54:32
Speaker 2: on this tangent, watch Leviticus, which Rose and I are
54:35
Speaker 2: going to see you tomorrow. Yes, we will be discussing
54:38
Speaker 2: the gay horror film that just came out. So wait
54:41
Speaker 2: back to women led action films. I love Mad Max.
54:47
Speaker 2: Oh oh, we wait to Hunger Games. I was gonna say,
54:50
Speaker 2: I think that Jennifer Lawrence works because she's kind of
54:56
Speaker 2: like just a plinth on which to rest your emotions
55:01
Speaker 2: and stakes. Like she's kind of nothing and therefore is
55:05
Speaker 2: perfectly perfectly. Things just happen to her throughout the plot.
55:09
Speaker 2: She's like pursuing, She's like, I don't know, I just
55:11
Speaker 2: I don't think you know.
55:12
Speaker 1: A plinth is a a plinth is a good She's
55:14
Speaker 1: literally there just to suffer and look pretty doing it,
55:18
Speaker 1: and she.
55:18
Speaker 2: Looks amazing, And I believe the stakes because she's a
55:21
Speaker 2: fabulous actress.
55:23
Speaker 1: I want to I actually like I feel this. I
55:27
Speaker 1: feel very on the spot right now. I would love
55:29
Speaker 1: to return to this question next week. And like, I
55:31
Speaker 1: want to do some homework on my own and actually
55:34
Speaker 1: thoughtfully put together a list, and maybe you do the
55:37
Speaker 1: same and we'll compare notes.
55:38
Speaker 2: Okay, I will write out a few m and we
55:42
Speaker 2: will discuss it next week.
55:43
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