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So Much Hatred for So Long · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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Speaker 1: The news, opinions, commentary, and interviews. You need to start
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Speaker 1: your day, and you're listening to the West Carrol Morning.
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Speaker 2: Show Tuesday morning at thirteenth day of January. I'm Wes.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. Actor Timothy Busfield.
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Speaker 1: He is.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for a lot of people my age, you're
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Speaker 2: first maybe the first thing you remember him from. And
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Speaker 2: I know there's been a lot of things. A thirty
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Speaker 2: Somethingter was a huge show, and he obviously did a
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Speaker 2: number of movies. I guess West Wing. He was also
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Speaker 2: part of that show that was also a pretty significant show,
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Speaker 2: Field of Dreams. He was in a few baseball movies.
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Speaker 2: Was a Little Big League. I like that movie. He
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Speaker 2: was in a Little Big League. But my age, those
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Speaker 2: of you that are hovering around that five zero range,
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Speaker 2: maybe you're in the in the four seven to five
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Speaker 2: three range, maybe up to five to five range. We
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Speaker 2: knew him as Poindexter A Revenge of the Nerds. That's
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Speaker 2: who we first were introduced to Timothy Busfield as and
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Speaker 2: all the other things that came after that certainly were
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Speaker 2: you know, big things. These were all big shows well,
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Speaker 2: and he won an Emmy for crying out loud. I
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Speaker 2: think for thirty something, and he's got a series now
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Speaker 2: called The Cleaning Lady. And apparently he's now been charged
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Speaker 2: with two counts of criminal sexual contact of a minor
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Speaker 2: and one kind of child abuse, stemming from alleged incidents
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Speaker 2: involving two eleven year old kids on the show. Yikes,
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Speaker 2: Authority's an Albuquerque issued and arrest weren't Friday, after the
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Speaker 2: criminal complaint said that one child reported being touched in
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Speaker 2: appropriately by him back when he was seven years old.
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Speaker 2: Is this show on now? Surely, surely it's not a
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Speaker 2: show with Timothy Bussfield called The Cleaning Lady that has
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Speaker 2: lasted four years. That can't be a real thing, is it?
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Speaker 2: I mean, no offense to them with Timothy. But and
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Speaker 2: again he has a I mean the resume for Timothy
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Speaker 2: Busfield on TV is Oh, this isn't a comedy show.
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Speaker 2: I see, it's a drama series. All right. That's a
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Speaker 2: little different. That's a little different. Is it still going?
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Speaker 2: It says four seasons, so I guess not. Yeah. Final
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Speaker 2: episode was twenty twenty five June of twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: forty six episodes on Fox. Okay, I thought this was
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Speaker 2: a comedy. It sounded like it was like, you know, hey,
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Speaker 2: here's the cleaning lady. It makes more sense now. I
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Speaker 2: guess it's drama and it's got to do with crime. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: back to the important part. None of that's important. I'm
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Speaker 2: just observing the fact that these kids were, you know,
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Speaker 2: seven and then eleven years old, and it's like four years.
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Speaker 2: Did we really go that far with it? But I guess,
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Speaker 2: you know. So, the investigation started in November of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four and a doctor at the University of New
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Speaker 2: Mexico Hospital reported signs of abuse to police. The children
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Speaker 2: who were both child actors on the show and he
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Speaker 2: directed it, he performed in it, he was an actor,
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Speaker 2: and they basically told investigators that they had been afraid
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Speaker 2: to report the behavior earlier because of his role in
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Speaker 2: the show. So now the charges have come forward. Now,
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Speaker 2: this was something that started to come out last week,
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Speaker 2: and at the time it just said that he had
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Speaker 2: been accused of child abuse, and that of course made
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Speaker 2: me assume that this was something family related, something in
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Speaker 2: the home. So now that more details have come out
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Speaker 2: about this, yeah, this has now become a very different
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Speaker 2: kind of story. Not the child abuse in the home
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Speaker 2: is okay, but now this has taken a very different turn,
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Speaker 2: and this is one of those stories we'll have to
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Speaker 2: keep an eye on. Not Poindexter. Come on, man, I mean,
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Speaker 2: you don't want it to be anybody but Poindexter from
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Speaker 2: Revenge of the Nerds. By the way, I've got a
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Speaker 2: friend who told me he and I are about the
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Speaker 2: same age. He told me that he asked me if
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Speaker 2: my kids this was a few years ago, then this
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Speaker 2: would have probably been three years ago, so it would
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Speaker 2: have been my fourteen year old and eleven year old
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Speaker 2: at the time, right if they had seen Revenge of
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Speaker 2: the Nerds yet, And I said no to they have not.
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Speaker 2: He said, oh, come on, we watched it by that point.
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Speaker 2: And that's true. I'm certain that I had seen Revenge
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Speaker 2: of the Nerds at least by fourteen. I'm maybe not
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Speaker 2: at eleven, but by fourteen I had probably almost certainly
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Speaker 2: seen it, So he wasn't wrong in that regard. And
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Speaker 2: I said, however, it's not really a movie that I
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Speaker 2: think I should introduce my kids to at that age.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that at the time there was an
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Speaker 2: adult that was aware that I was watching Revenge of
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Speaker 2: the Nerds. That's all I mean if you're not there
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Speaker 2: for certain scenes, a lot of it might pass by
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Speaker 2: certain scenes were you know, my parents would have shut
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Speaker 2: it down real fast. I know about those scenes, and
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Speaker 2: I know that I could would need to shut it down.
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Speaker 2: I shut it down before it starts. I asked him
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Speaker 2: if his kids had seen it, and he goes, oh, no,
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Speaker 2: no they haven't. So that's the point. There were a
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Speaker 2: lot of movies I ended up that I just kind
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Speaker 2: of slipped through the cracks. I was very young when
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Speaker 2: I saw the first Halloween. Not something I should have
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Speaker 2: seen at that age. You know, Jaws. Back when Jaws
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Speaker 2: came out, it was a PG or R. Those were
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Speaker 2: the options. You didn't really there was nothing in the middle.
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Speaker 2: So Jaws is a PG movie, even though it would
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Speaker 2: clearly with the violence in it, it would be PG
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Speaker 2: thirteen at the very least. Now, I don't know how
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Speaker 2: far they go it. It's interesting some of the stuff
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Speaker 2: they do with the rankings and how they the ratings
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Speaker 2: as far as the movies go. Because I think you
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Speaker 2: and trust me, I'm not approved by any means. I'm
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Speaker 2: curious how Titanic slipped in at the PG thirteen. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's not a raunchy movie. There's just some stuff there. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: Timothy Bussfield will keep an eye on that, see what's
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Speaker 2: going on with that. That's uh. And again it says
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Speaker 2: these are charges. We don't know the whole story, and
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Speaker 2: we'll see. But this does not seem to be something
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Speaker 2: that now years later people are gonna go, you know,
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Speaker 2: they only got Timothy Bussfield because they were going after
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Speaker 2: the Beatles catalog or you know, it's not one of
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Speaker 2: those deals. That's what we hear about Michael Jackson, largely
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Speaker 2: from Candice Owens, by the way, but we hear that
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Speaker 2: and you just go, well, it would make sense. I'm
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Speaker 2: just not ready to dive into that. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the story is. I don't know
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Speaker 2: what the deal is. But I don't see there being
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Speaker 2: innocent to proven guilty and all that. So anyway, what
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Speaker 2: we're we talking about today. I spent a lot of
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Speaker 2: time on Revenge of the Nerds this morning. Didn't mean to,
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Speaker 2: but that's that's sometimes that happens. What I do want
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Speaker 2: to talk about today is and this is kind of
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Speaker 2: a never ending thing that has certainly been ongoing to infinity.
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Speaker 2: I guess that's what never ending means. But it's it
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Speaker 2: feels like this has been going on since the on
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Speaker 2: of time. And it really made me think a little
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Speaker 2: bit recently a conversation I was having with Jill. We
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Speaker 2: were and I didn't talk about this yesterday. Probably should
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Speaker 2: have yesterday, but I was kind of worked up about
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Speaker 2: something else. But over the weekend on Saturday, Jill and
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Speaker 2: I went to the memorial service, the funeral service for
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Speaker 2: celebration of life is probably what you better call it
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Speaker 2: for my good friend Chuck Leonard. Chuck was a local
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Speaker 2: legend icon in Columbus broadcasting and the surrounding area. I
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Speaker 2: talked about him when he passed back December nineteenth the
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Speaker 2: shows around then, and he was just a good friend,
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Speaker 2: good friend of mine. When I got into broadcasting, he
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Speaker 2: was just one of those people that I instantly connected
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Speaker 2: with or we were both doing work for the same
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Speaker 2: radio station when I started. And you know, there were
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Speaker 2: people who were mentors, there were people who guided me
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Speaker 2: along the way, and then there were people who just
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Speaker 2: were friends. And Chuck was a friend. That was the
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Speaker 2: way that he mentored me. He just seemed it made
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Speaker 2: me comfortable in the job. It made me comfortable in
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Speaker 2: what I was doing, let me know that I belonged,
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Speaker 2: you know, all those things. And there've been people that
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Speaker 2: I worked with over the years. I've always tried to
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Speaker 2: do that. I've tried to encourage, I've tried to help,
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Speaker 2: to critique, to give some sort of guidance to people
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Speaker 2: along the way. But largely, you just want people to
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Speaker 2: feel like they belong give them, give them their best
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Speaker 2: chance to do their best. And sometimes you know they're
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Speaker 2: not cut out for it. They're not going to this
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Speaker 2: is not something they're going to succeed in. This is
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Speaker 2: not a career path for them, and you just know it.
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Speaker 2: And there's people around them that are trying to carry them,
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Speaker 2: and you just think they got to do the work.
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Speaker 2: You can't just carry them. Little that I know of
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Speaker 2: it now, a lot of radio is just being carried
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Speaker 2: around and plopped into places. But that's another conversation. That's
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Speaker 2: why we podcasters are working hard for it. So we
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Speaker 2: were at the funeral and one of the things that
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Speaker 2: you know, we we discussed at the funeral and they
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Speaker 2: were there were the service was great, by the way,
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Speaker 2: a lot of friends talked about him, and you know,
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Speaker 2: people were you know, talked a lot about his love
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Speaker 2: of trivia, talked about his sense of humor, and talked about,
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Speaker 2: you know, some of the behind the scenes things that
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Speaker 2: people didn't really know about him, and they didn't really
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Speaker 2: get to get to know him in the way that
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Speaker 2: those of us who were friends with him got to
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Speaker 2: really know him, and and all of those things. But
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Speaker 2: when we were so the service was great. So at
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Speaker 2: some point after the service was over at Jill and
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Speaker 2: I were talking and we were having a conversation. Uh,
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Speaker 2: subjects of politics and things came up, and we were
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Speaker 2: just talking about how there were people who just absolutely
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Speaker 2: are obsessed with certain people in politics, one person in
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Speaker 2: particular that has become the entire focus of every bit
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Speaker 2: of energy. And I've talked about this before when it
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Speaker 2: comes to people that are this obsessed with Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: and just everything that he does, everything that he says,
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Speaker 2: everything that he'd just hit. The entire concept of Trump
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Speaker 2: drives him crazy. But one of the stories, sorry, and
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Speaker 2: the reason I mentioned Chuck's funeral in relation to this,
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Speaker 2: one of the stories that was shared as Chuck was
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Speaker 2: talking with one of his friends was speaking about Chuck,
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Speaker 2: but he was telling us that he and Chuck were
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Speaker 2: talking one day and they had gone to watch the
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Speaker 2: taping of the Tonight Show in LA and this friend,
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Speaker 2: like the Hulk Hogan and Jamie Lee Curtis were the
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Speaker 2: two guests on that show. And this Chuck called this
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Speaker 2: friend and said, hey, do you remember who was on
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Speaker 2: the show? And Jill and I were discussing, We've been
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Speaker 2: to a few tapings of like Letterman and Conan and
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Speaker 2: show a daily show. Even I believe it or not,
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Speaker 2: there was a time when Daily Show was just kind
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Speaker 2: of funny, that's all it was. But I mentioned to her,
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Speaker 2: I was like, do you remember any of the guests
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Speaker 2: on the shows that we went to? And she said, no,
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Speaker 2: not really. She said, I do remember you telling me
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Speaker 2: that Trump was there once, but I don't really remember that.
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Speaker 2: And I just there was a thing Letterman used to
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Speaker 2: do with Paul Shaeffer. Paul Shaeffer would come out, he
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Speaker 2: would do the James Brown thing. He would be, you know,
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Speaker 2: they'd be performing, he'd walk out like I can't do
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Speaker 2: no more, and then they'd go to his knees and
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Speaker 2: somebody would come out from behind the curtain, put a
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Speaker 2: cape on him and then walk him away. Well in this,
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Speaker 2: and it was usually just some guess well Trump. On
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Speaker 2: one of the nights, Jill and I were watching a
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Speaker 2: Letterman taping again back when his goal was just to
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Speaker 2: be funny, and Trump came out. The place went absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 2: Put the cape on Paul Shaeffer, he walked away, Trump
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Speaker 2: shook his hand, all those things Letterman shook Trump's hand,
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Speaker 2: I should say so. So that was a time when
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Speaker 2: people absolutely loved Donald Trump. They loved him in New York,
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Speaker 2: they loved him. There was talk about him running for
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Speaker 2: president as a Democrat for a long time. People loved it.
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Speaker 2: They thought, oh, that could be great, Well, what fun
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Speaker 2: that could be. So it's interesting how we've come from
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Speaker 2: this period of where people adored this man. Him having
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Speaker 2: a cameo in the Home Alone two movie was something special,
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Speaker 2: something unique, something fantastic. And then you got people saying, oh,
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Speaker 2: I got to cut that out. I can't be bothered
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Speaker 2: seeing Donald Trump at Christmas time in a movie. I
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Speaker 2: can't even watch the movie. It's sad. It's sad that
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Speaker 2: that's where we are. Dennis Miller years ago, I guess,
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Speaker 2: while he was still doing his talk show, he used
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Speaker 2: to do a news talk radio show and I really
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Speaker 2: liked it. I like Dennis Miller a lot, and I
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Speaker 2: think he's funny and I think he's you know, he
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Speaker 2: was great on SNL doing the news, but he transitioned
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Speaker 2: that career into a broadcasting career in radio. And one
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Speaker 2: of the things he said, one of the things I
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Speaker 2: think that ultimately got him out of news talk radio
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Speaker 2: when he finally decided to step out, is he said
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Speaker 2: that he felt like, like, at the time, this was
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Speaker 2: Obama winning reelection, so this was around twenty twelve, and
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Speaker 2: he said he could just feel this hatred growing in him,
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Speaker 2: this complete animosity towards the state of where we were
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Speaker 2: as a country and the problems that we were dealing with,
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Speaker 2: and how he could see things but other people couldn't it. It
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Speaker 2: just drove him crazy. And I'm sure I'm ad libbing.
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Speaker 2: I'm probably adding things to it, but he just said
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Speaker 2: it drove him crazy to think that we had four
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Speaker 2: more years of Obama and it seemed very likely at
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Speaker 2: the time Hillary Clinton was at least going to get
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Speaker 2: four years after that, maybe her own eight. And he's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, sixteen years of these two presidents, and he's like,
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Speaker 2: and I would have just been bitter and angry every
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Speaker 2: single day for sixteen years. And he's like, I couldn't
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Speaker 2: live my life that way, and I don't know how
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Speaker 2: people do live their lives that way. And now because
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Speaker 2: of this four years in the middle the four COVID
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Speaker 2: year presidency, when they pulled the wool over our eyes
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Speaker 2: and convinced us that Biden was capable of doing the job,
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Speaker 2: and that that many people really and truly actually showed
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Speaker 2: up to vote all the things that they convinced us of.
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Speaker 2: We had to stay home unless we were rioting. It's
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Speaker 2: not good for you to come and vote in person,
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Speaker 2: so you know, turn in your ballots these drop boxes.
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Speaker 2: But if you're going to go out and write and protest,
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Speaker 2: get out there. There's nothing dangerous about that. You got
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Speaker 2: to get out there and do that.
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Speaker 1: Weird.
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Speaker 2: So because of that, it's going to be twelve years
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Speaker 2: of people just being on the verge of a coronary.
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Speaker 2: This hate twelve years, and it'll go beyond that because
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Speaker 2: his touch will not be gone. Yes, it is really
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Speaker 2: possible that Jade Vance could be the next president. That
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Speaker 2: is something that people are gonna have to wrap their
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Speaker 2: brains around. I know there's been talk about Marco Rubio.
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Speaker 2: Rubio says he's not interested. So just know that this
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Speaker 2: is a real possibility that there may be more of
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Speaker 2: this hate going on. And the hate didn't start with Trump.
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Speaker 2: The hate started long before Trump started. It started with actually,
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Speaker 2: well it goes way back, doesn't it. But it really
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Speaker 2: started to become this awful nastiness with George W.
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Speaker 1: Bush.
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Speaker 2: They said he didn't really win, and what do you know,
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Speaker 2: after the break. Do you have a choppel Ganger? I
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Speaker 2: think I do. I think I've got a choppel ganger.
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Speaker 2: It's not a compliment. So you're a choppel ganger. So
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Speaker 2: this is a mashup of the term chopped, so just
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Speaker 2: meaning ugly. And then the doppelganger, you know, person who
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Speaker 2: looks like you and it's a choppel ganger. So the
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Speaker 2: idea is that you basically have someone who kind of
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Speaker 2: looks like you, except like worse. Right. So this goes
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Speaker 2: back to May and someone misread Doppelganger's choppelganger and a
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Speaker 2: social media post and then that went viral, and then
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Speaker 2: by the end of the year there were a lot
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Speaker 2: of people saying, you know, mocking people with this chopel
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Speaker 2: ganger note. So I think it's probably easy to feel
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Speaker 2: like you have a choppel ganger because I think often
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Speaker 2: people they have a certain level of confidence in themselves. Right,
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Speaker 2: you look at yourself in the mirror, and you you know,
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Speaker 2: you know what, you know what you're going to see,
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Speaker 2: you know what to expect, You're used to seeing it.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if it would be different if we just
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Speaker 2: didn't look in the mirror, for like, I wonder what
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Speaker 2: would do to a year. I got a whole year
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Speaker 2: you don't look in the mirror, and then you look
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Speaker 2: in the mirror and you just go, eh, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how that would work.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, you have a certain amount of I think
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Speaker 2: it's not an attraction to yourself, but there's an affinity
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Speaker 2: for yourself. There's a certain amount of comfort level you
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Speaker 2: get to now the attractive thing is kind of weird
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Speaker 2: because there is this is science, there's something there in
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Speaker 2: just in the world of psychology. In many cases people
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Speaker 2: are like in a relationship with somebody that has some
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Speaker 2: similar qualities to themselves. It's not uncommon. There are people
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Speaker 2: that you know, they marry someone who kind of looks
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Speaker 2: like them. There's just something familiar and comforting about it.
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Speaker 2: It's not anything weird. It's just maybe it's a little weird,
22:39
Speaker 2: but it's not really weird. So I think you probably
22:43
Speaker 2: see someone who kind of looks like you and you
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Speaker 2: immediately assume that they're going to be a chopplinganger because
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Speaker 2: clearly they don't look as good as you. Is where
22:50
Speaker 2: I'm going with this. Hey, there's a couple in the
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Speaker 2: Netherlands who had their marriage and old because they let
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Speaker 2: AI write their vowels and then they ask a friend
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Speaker 2: who officiate their wedding back in April, and he used
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Speaker 2: chat GPT to craft some kind of unusual vowels that
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Speaker 2: they would support each other, tease each other even when
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Speaker 2: life gets difficult, but they weren't legally binding. Dutch law
23:16
Speaker 2: requires that both spouses declare that they will fulfill all
23:19
Speaker 2: legal obligations of marriage during the ceremony. Because those words
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Speaker 2: weren't uttered, a court ruled that they weren't technically ever married,
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Speaker 2: so their marriage wiped from the registry and don't have
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Speaker 2: to get married all over again for it to be legal.
23:33
Speaker 2: This story, when I saw it, it made me nervous
23:36
Speaker 2: because I thought, well, wait a minute, because I have
23:39
Speaker 2: officiated a lot of weddings over the years, and I
23:44
Speaker 2: do have some guidelines before I will officiate a wedding.
23:47
Speaker 2: I do have some of those things in place, but
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Speaker 2: I have written like customized weddings for people. There's certain
23:55
Speaker 2: things that I do make sure is part of the ceremony.
23:58
Speaker 2: That's kind of standard for me. However, I have taken
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Speaker 2: some liberties and I thought, oh gosh, what have I
24:07
Speaker 2: made a giant mistake a time or two? But this
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Speaker 2: is just in Holland, it's not really really does So
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Speaker 2: it's okay, it's all good. We're fine. You're still married.
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Speaker 2: All of my friends and people that I've officiated their
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Speaker 2: weddings over the years. Also, speaking of AI, and the
24:23
Speaker 2: next time you get a prescription rey filled, you may
24:25
Speaker 2: not need to visit or call a doctor because Utah
24:31
Speaker 2: has announced it's become the first state to allow patients
24:33
Speaker 2: to renew medical prescriptions using AI. The state partnering with
24:37
Speaker 2: an AI health company called Doctronic, which will allow patients
24:42
Speaker 2: in Utah to consult an AI doctorate known as Doctronic
24:46
Speaker 2: to complete routine prescription refills the state's Department of Commerces.
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Speaker 2: The effort aims to demonstrate that safe, well regulated AI
24:54
Speaker 2: can improve adherents, prevent avoidable hospital visits, and reduce healthcare
24:59
Speaker 2: spending while keeping clinicians at the center of the care
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Speaker 2: as expected. The American Medical Association is caution that taking
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Speaker 2: these decisions out of the hands of doctors and putting
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Speaker 2: him in the hands of Daktronic. They didn't say that,
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Speaker 2: but I thought, I'll want to say it again, could
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Speaker 2: prove dangerous for patients. Meanwhile, Daktronic that was there, says
25:19
Speaker 2: that it is already in talks with several other states
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Speaker 2: and expects more partnerships in twenty twenty six. Brace yourself
25:26
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