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Memory Master - The Amazing Nigel! #178 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys,
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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 178 of
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the magic guys this is incredible we've made it
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this far and not uh killed each other but to my left we
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have nick k welcome to the show friend
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oh yeah down below we got doug khan as
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if there's animosity why would we kill each other there we've
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never even been like any grumbling in the ranks ever that's so true that's so
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true i think i think it's because you know we just get along so well and there's
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no money involved so that's probably it it's not commercial we don't have money
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involved that's fine otherwise,
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we're all a minimum what three four hour flight away minimum that's right yeah yeah true true True.
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It would actually be difficult to have it out with one another, wouldn't it?
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Yeah. But look, we're here again. We're here and we're here with some friends.
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We can see Dragotea, Josh Logan, Jimmy Farris.
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We got our boy Christopher Wayne in the building as well, otherwise known as Daddy. Dad joke magic.
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Scotty P, Adonis. This is the goods.
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Tim Askin. And we want to start off today's episode with one of you guys giving
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us some love on our SpeakPipe.
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Remember, you can send them in anytime and we play them on the episode.
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Speakpipe.com forward slash TheMagicGuys or just head to our website to do that.
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Anyway, let's listen to a little message from our friend, Jimmy Farrister.
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Hey, guys. It's Jennifer, Jimmy's wife. We are sitting out here on the back porch.
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It's Sunday, Father's Day. We're just hanging out here and wanted to let you
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guys know how great the magic show went at the country club It was table magic and it went fabulously.
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I mean he just rolled around Babe, i'm the magician i'm supposed to be talking
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I love that jennifer's weird.
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No, but she is my backbone. She's Yeah, it's great.
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You know what? If you want to
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speak, you can. He made $275 for like three hours. Woo! Doing what I love.
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It was great. We got a couple gigs off of it. Oh, they covered her alcohol,
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too, and all our food, too. Yeah. Boom. Food and alcohol covered.
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That's where it's probably triple the fee. This RV thing. We're going to...
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I mean, yeah, I've been doing this as a hobbyist for 20 years.
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Most of our parties that we host, I'm doing some kind of silliness.
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Oh, man. We went to a friend's house last night. I just have to get this in
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there. I heard the biggest laughs that I've ever heard from his magic.
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Like it was big laughs, big, big, big laughs. Anyway, people that hadn't seen it.
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Anyways, great. So that's our gig RVing through America. I see that my time's ending. Shit.
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Go, babe. Go. Nope. That's what we're going to do. We're going to do the magic
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and we're going to make, we're going to have the.
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Thank you guys for all the influence that you've had on Jimmy.
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I don't know that he'd be worries without you. Bye.
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So. so off that's yeah we're
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really making a difference people it is all about community can
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we please have more wives calling
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in gloating about how great their husband's magic is to have a wife that talks
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you up like that is like she's still amazed by the magic like that's yeah happy
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that's the word i was looking for that won't last forever though he'll eventually ruin in her.
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That's so good. It never lasts, right? The wife always ends up disgruntled.
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Honey, get out of my face! In the best way. Yeah, that's right.
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She just hasn't picked enough cards yet.
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Well, you know what, folks? Speaking of people who are entirely talented with
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the ladies, who better than our next guest? Take it away, John. Oh, yeah.
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So this gentleman, I've had the pleasure of introducing every week at the Theatre
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of Magic, where him and I and Christopher Wayne run this show.
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But in the meantime, in the business world, this guy is a beast.
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He's an underground magician, I call him, because you never really hear of him.
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He hardly has a website, but he's booked every bloody week to facilitate and
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emcee events and just run conferences.
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And he has this amazing skill set, which we'll talk about, which a handful of
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people in the world, I feel like, have this and use it wisely in the entertainment space.
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So we're going to bring him on. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the amazing Nigel. Let's get it.
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Music.
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That's something we should talk about too but yeah you may
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or may not realize this nigel but you've been such an influence on the i will
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definitely say the austral asian scene both myself and magicians in nz it's
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so cool to be able to share you with the rest of the planet so everyone knows
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who you are so please tell us nigel tell us who you are i'm nudge yes i'm a
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corporate entertainer so i don't all i do is
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i focus on corporate only magician comedian mc facilitator
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keynote speaker team builder do you
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have a business card and if so what's what's the
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title of the car i don't have any marketing
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i have no real social media
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i have no social media we
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had to con him to starting up an instagram and he's
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like when we make clips from our show and
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i'm like can i put this up and he's like yeah i don't care like do it i
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don't put whatever you want anyway one of those guys who was
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successful for 20 years before social media happened and
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now he's just people know he's good so he gets work so
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he's telling the wife how happy it is to have an actual worker on here for once
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yeah um yeah i do that i do a lot of other things as well as doing all that
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stuff as well is it not always magic when you perform or like sorry when you When you perform,
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you do like a keynote speaking, perhaps maybe it's not magic or.
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Yeah, I, if it's a keynote, I'm doing it on memory because what I'm known for
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in this country is I'll do my show and then I'll, before the show,
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I'll go around and meet everyone.
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And at the end of the show, I rattle off everyone's name as my closer.
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And when we say everyone's name, we mean like a room full of like 300 people plus.
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Yeah. Could I, could I share that story and what that experience was like?
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So i remember it really well because you
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were the opening act of the final night of
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the genie convention it was the very first time i actually done
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a lecture it was a lecture organized by sean
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taylor one of our one of our greats here in oz and i didn't met nige before
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i didn't know that we had this caliber of like world-class talent entertainment
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like it was amazing and then nigel's walking around the table and just going
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your name cool your name cool your name nice to
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meet you and your name nice to meet you and i was like that was a weird interaction and
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then he just runs off into the night show starts
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and he does awesome magic and then at the end of it he gets everyone to stand
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up now just to put to paint the picture we're all seated at tables i believe
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it was close to 300 people 200 something odd people that night well i think
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there was 200 because i knew i only had a short time frame to learn it all so
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it was a high pressure one that one.
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Yeah. So we had like 200 people in the room.
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Everyone at their table stood up and then one by one, he went,
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he, they, he even let people choose the table number if they wanted to.
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And he would choose the table and then he would say each person's name and each
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person just sat down and he remembered every single person's name.
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And we're not talking like, we're talking about people's names who you can't
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even like, if you met them, you'd be like, hi, what's your name?
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And it's like some strange Korean name that you never heard before that immediately
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goes in and out of your head.
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It sticks in Nigel's brains and he remembers every single person's names of
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all ethnicities. It's so impressive.
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Sometimes you meet like Anabil or Rajwan, and I'm like, I'm not going to remember that name.
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But somehow he does that, and he remembered every single person's name.
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When you say it's a short time span, how long would it take you to memorize
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a room full of 200 people?
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Okay, so 200 nowadays. nowadays if i'm
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on song now it comes a lot down to a believe
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it or not mental state you've got to be incredibly positive when
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you do this stuff it's it's as soon as you
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doubt yourself you're screwed when i first started
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it would take me a solid two to almost two and a half hours to learn 200 names
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because i did eight years of theater restaurants and that's where i started
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the name thing so it's actually started as a bet for alcohol one of the one
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of the boys in the in the show said i bet you to do the room sure what's the
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bet uh beer sure i'm in and then.
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45 the first night and then uh you
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could not memorize 45 names is
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that that was the wager that was the wager he said i couldn't do 45 names so
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i spent literally two hours going around go what's your name again what's your
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name again trying to get it just wrote memory for that sorry you just did like
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hard memory you didn't it was i'm curious of your techniques like there's There's
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different ways to approach these things. So there is.
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So when it started for me, it was brute force.
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I did 45 first night, 90 the second night, 154 the third night.
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And then I took it happening.
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So going back to your original question, Doug, how long does it take?
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When I first started, it was two, two to two and a half hours.
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Nowadays, if I'm on song, I can get 200 names in less than an hour. Wow.
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And that just because this thing is just a muscle, a muscle that needs to be exercised.
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I mean, it takes that long to meet that many people. you have
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probably three or four seconds a person how do
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it all yeah it's literally bang bang bang bang bang
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and when like when i do it and i rattle it off it is fast it's not i'm not even
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thinking i'm just going okay here's john george margaret frank it's like okay
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so you can do that what about the table number and connect the name how does
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that all fit in your brain that'll be a different techniques.
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So I'll do, so the base technique that I use, and these techniques are as old
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as a hill. So when I started, I,
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I basically brute force, and then I came up with a system, and then I started researching it.
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You developed your own approach first? My own approach first.
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So this is the way my head's going to think about it. And Josh knows him.
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Researching it, give us some recommendations there, if we could start with that.
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Wherever a person interested, go.
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To make it simpler, we meet people on a daily basis when we're roving or even
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just at a party, dinner table.
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Let's go small scale so that we can get anyone what
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is the simplest way on a small scale or even
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something as primitive as like the dude that makes my coffee every
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morning i can never remember that cat's name right okay so let's say you're
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doing a close-up gig and there are four people in the group normally when i
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come up to that i'll get their name straight away and for me it's it's straight
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in but if you're new to this type of scenario the number one thing is you have to to listen.
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If you don't listen to the people, you're not going to remember.
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Don't worry about what you are and what, you know your patter,
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you know what you're going to do, you know your presence, focus on them. It's all about them.
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Listen to what they're saying and then repeat the name straight back to them.
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So if you go, oh, what's your name? And Doug goes, oh, I'm Doug.
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Oh, g'day, Doug. How are you, Doug?
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Now I've said Doug twice already. And then
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if you get a foreign name or an asian name
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you can then go back oh ramajan okay right
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yeah was it am i saying that right you know i love rolling
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my eyes i want to do it and then they'll go
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oh not quite and then they'll put an inflection on it and then you'll need to
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change your tongue position so you listen to the sounds that they're saying
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if it's an if it is a a foreign name for you so you listen you repeat the name
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and and i can tell you right now if you pay attention to someone's name like
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doug Was it Doug? Was it? Which country are you from, Doug?
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I'm asking you questions and it makes you feel nice.
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Like how many times have you been at a place and someone's calling you by name
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and asking you questions that are personal to you? It makes you feel special.
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I love hearing their name. Yeah. People love it. I've made good coin out of it, so I'm happy.
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So you listen for the name, you repeat the name. Now, the next thing you want
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to do is you want to grab, and this is going to sound horrible,
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and it is horrible, you want to grab a facial feature.
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The most negative facial feature on them, just don't tell them.
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Oh, wow. Well, so the notion is look at the name and associate it with a physical feature.
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So by that notion, ugly people, easy to remember because you remembered me like
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immediately. And now I don't know how to feel about it.
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Well, I've got some images of you, Nick, and they're not appropriate for this podcast. Yeah.
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So listen for the name, repeat the name. You want to grab a facial feature.
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Now you can, it's, I like using the negative because you get a good gag out
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of it, but it's the most prominent feature on that person's face,
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whether it be positive or negative, it's up to that person because everyone
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will see someone differently.
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I'll look at Josh and I'll see something and then Nick will look at Josh and
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he'll see, yeah, exactly. He'll see blowfish. He'll see something else.
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So you want to understand yourself and what you're doing.
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Next thing you want to do after that is you want to come up with another image for the name.
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So i switch everything into images so i'm using both
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my audio and my visual i think it's kinesthetics it's called where i'm using
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both those factors into it and then i place that image back on the person's
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face those techniques were developed back in the 1600s so i came up with that
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technique and then i researched it and then went oh this is as old as the hills 500 bc 800,
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bc and then all the modern techniques that you find nowadays are all dated back
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down to the 16th century.
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And basically I went, okay, so
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someone's already thought of this stuff and these are all just my little.
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It's in bits that it's like, like you grab a magic routine and then you grab that base routine.
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And like Nick, when you sat at my place and we worked on that,
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that routine that we've come up with, we started with one routine and then we've
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developed into something else. And memory is the same thing.
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You get a base route, memory technique, and then you, you build it to what you
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want. So it was interesting.
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I was disappointed when I found out it was as old as the hills.
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I thought it was new here. No, no. Yeah.
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Back in the day when there was no Google, they had Titus on the hill who just
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memorized all the knowledge.
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And you'd go ask him, and he knew
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what it was because he had some memory palace as a popular way to do it.
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Yeah, that's another one. Peg system,
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Roman rooms. There's a whole heap of different techniques you can do.
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What I found interesting then is that you tie it to a physical feature because
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one thing that I tend to do is to tie it to a non-permanent feature. So for example, Mr.
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Blue shirt, you know, you know, Madam Red dress, whatever it might be.
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But the point is, is that the moment they put a jacket on, I forget their name.
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Yeah. Yeah. I used to do that. Okay. Here's a, here's an interesting thing.
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So I'll look at this, right?
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So you boys look at me and obviously if you listen on the podcast,
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you can't look, but if you're on the, on the YouTube, you can look at me.
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So have a look at me. All right. Shut your eyes.
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Okay. Everyone shut your eyes. Yep.
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Yeah. Open your eyes up again. yes i've changed
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haven't i son of a bitch and so have all you
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boys it's just like um yeah so
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in answer that nick you have to be present of what they're wearing and particularly
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if you're going to meet them again obviously they're not going to be wearing
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a blue shirt or a red dress the next time around so you need to be conscious
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of everything like with the theater I've got now a system set up where when people come in again,
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I know exactly who they are, what they look like.
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So that way I can come back when they come back again, I can get them and go,
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oh yeah, you were with these people. These are the people you saw.
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This is, and we just chat like we're old friends.
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This is actually really crazy. Could you talk a bit more about that?
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Cause I've, I've, I've seen these files of like our audience photos of our audience and stuff.
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Yeah. Yeah, so it's almost too good a secret to share, man. Like, I'm going to say it.
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Unless you know how to remember everyone's names. Like, it's not of use.
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You're at the theater of magic.
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People are coming in and you're getting this information as they come in the door, right?
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I get all the information, come in the door, and then I write lots of notes at the end of the night.
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So basically, my day at the theater starts at around 11-ish.
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I get all the rest of the paraphernalia ready. I bump in the show, set up.
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The three of us do the three shows. We all bump out, and then I come home for
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another two hours writing notes about what's just happened.
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After the show? After the show. So if people return, you have that knowledge now in your banks?
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And yeah i have all the information i have when
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people rock up and is that sorry so people
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will come back come back to the show and you'll oh yeah yeah i'll definitely
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use it that's so some people come back only to see nigel's show because they
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they just feel like he's a friend now yeah idiots no that's how you know you're
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good when your audience feels that
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way yeah and look so could we take that to the corporate world so like why do
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you think you've done so well in the corporate world the last 20 years or however
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and how do you apply that to,
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getting so much worse that's an interesting question 30 years in the corporate
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world is a long long time look from a corporate perspective from a business
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if we if we're switching from From that mindset to a business mindset,
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then it allows other opportunities.
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If you're not just doing a magic show, you're actually providing educational
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benefit or knowledge to the people to help them, particularly in sales and customer service.
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Those are the strong sets. They need to know people's names and know information about people.
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So if you can give them tips and trips to help them out.
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Do you offer an educational experience as well? Yeah, I do a keynote and a workshop
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as well on memory techniques where I sit down and I actually force them to do – oh, jeez.
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It's got me. Sorry, that was my stomach playing up there. Sure.
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Just a little bit of crop dusting, weren't you?
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It's – yeah, so I've forgotten the question now. No, well, basically,
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I mean, I can summarize it.
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Nigel's – that was my plan. That's on it.
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Nigel Nigel does so well in the business world because he can emcee an event.
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He can facilitate a conference. He can do a keynote speak.
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He can do magic. Yeah.
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And what I was alluding to, Nigel, was like, how has being able to use your
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memory in an entertainment sense, like being able to remember clients and like
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the fact that how long have clients been working for you?
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Like, sorry, been rebooking you for it. That's what I'm kind of getting at.
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Like, aside from memory work, how have you, what, like, what do you think the
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skills are that you bring to
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your clients that's made you get rebooked so much and have so much work?
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I know the answer, but I want to hear from. Um, I, I care about it.
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It's, it's never about me.
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I go into a corporate gig and it's never about me. It's about, it's about them.
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The ego is left at the door. And if, if my ego gets too big,
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my brother knocks me down big time.
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He, he seen a lot of my shows and I'll, I'll do a show. I get a standing ovation
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and he went, well, you got that wrong. You did that wrong. Your timing was out out here.
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You should have done this when this happened. And I'm like, okay,
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right here, head down back to work.
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Josh has seen me do it at the theater where I will do a killing show.
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And then I'll go, I should have done this better. I could have done that.
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I should have worked on this.
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And then Chris, Chris, our other partner, he's actually taught me to actually
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stop, enjoy the moment, and then analyze it later on. Just enjoy the win.
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So going into a corporate thing, it's all about the client.
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If you make that client happy, unhappy, they'll rebook you. You make them the
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star, not yourself the star.
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Other things I do in corporate that would be a little bit different is I'll get there early.
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I'll rove. If they turn to me, I'm not merely meant to do a show and they go,
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oh, our MC's dropped out. I go, sure, I'll MC for you. Not a problem.
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And just do it. And they go, extra fee. And I go, no, no, don't worry about it. She'll be fine.
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You got me for the night. Use and abuse me as you see fit. And that's pretty much my philosophy.
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Do you have an agent or self-booking? I would assume you're mostly the latter.
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I started out. So I did theater restaurants for eight years.
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I did three years at Crazies Comedy Restaurant and five years at Brantley's. Now, Crazies. Sorry?
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The Trenches. The Trenches. Yes. The Trenches is exactly right.
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So my first night at Crazies was me standing on stage.
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Doing stand-up for
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10 minutes no one laughed no one
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applauded so then it's like okay well i got a
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mortgage to pay here let's do it again the next night so i
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get up next night night two pull up the pants
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second night no
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one laughs i get this that's just
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a single person doing a one unclad it's
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almost better to get nothing than the one the one
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no oh it's just the one that was like okay in between
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the legs wiggles nice oh man it was
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and then it was just um yeah just keep working at it so it was a it was a tough
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lessons well if we could focus on the comedy aspect that perhaps a lot of people
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don't think about with their lines and so forth that you know we read a lot
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of books from different periods of time where there might be some jokes or gags
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in there that might deem appropriate.
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Do you find now, with the year being 2024, that comedy has changed so much and
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people do tend to get offended?
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Or is it something that you've always been clean cut? Or have you had to find
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that you've made some adjustments as time goes on?
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Best piece of advice I was given by the owner of Crazies, which he didn't take
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his own advice, was I want you to be, because he said, go on stage.
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He says, I want you to be clean, but clever.
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And that is the best piece of advice I'd ever gotten. I can go into any corporate and I'm clean.
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There's no religious jokes. There's no political jokes.
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There's no swearing. There is nothing that's going to be considered inappropriate at all.
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And then you learn and you work harder because obviously you can you know some
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jokes that are inappropriate will get a good laugh so to be clean and funny
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is a lot more work to get there but a lot more benefit at the end of the day
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if you want to do corporates.
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That's great advice clean and clever yeah if
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you want to be asked back for sure you don't want to
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upset anyone right no no and
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on the it has changed over the years
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over the 30 years nick it's changed a lot one
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of the gags that i absolutely love i can't do it anymore and it's like i got
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a whole set where i'm getting pulled over by the cops and there's a whole heap
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of other gags in there and then eventually goes the the copper see copper says
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step out of the car so i step out of the car and the cop is a dwarf.
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He goes, I'm not happy. I said, well, which one are you then?
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The gag hill absolutely kills.
24:43
And I did it one night in corporate a few years ago and the client's gone,
24:48
love the show. And I went, dwarf.
24:50
She went, yeah, you can't say it to anyone. And I went, you're kidding.
24:55
So you just adjust. You go, think about it.
25:00
Well, no, can't do it. And one thing that Nigel does too at his corporates,
25:04
which is something to think about for us magicians, is instead of charging an hourly rate,
25:09
Nigel will charge an appearance fee so that he's just, the client isn't worrying
25:13
about, oh, when can we have him rove to make up that hour?
25:17
Not that he does much roving, but it's like, instead of them going,
25:20
oh, but there's going to be speeches.
25:22
Will he still do the hour? Is that going to, it's just like,
25:24
I'm there to entertain everyone for whatever time you need. And then that's,
25:29
you know, like you said, use and abuse me.
25:32
And I imagine that's worked out pretty well because some people think clients
25:35
might overuse that, that appearance fee, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
25:40
You have to be a jack of all trades to make this work for you so that you can
25:45
offer them multiple, you know, benefits. Yeah. Yeah.
25:51
They'll come back and they'll bring you back as just an emcee to emcee their awards.
25:54
Or if it's a multi-day conference, I'll come back and do the whole conferencing.
26:00
And that's a whole different kettle of fish from just doing a magic show if
26:04
you want to get into multi-day conferencing.
26:06
And everything, when I'm emceeing and doing awards, everything's memorized as
26:11
well. All the notes. You don't say.
26:15
All so it's literally i get up
26:18
there and i'm introducing people and they they
26:21
they are which part of the company do you work for if you can
26:24
get that from a crowd then you
26:27
know you've done your job properly because they think
26:30
because you know so much about the company so i
26:33
do a lot of due diligence beforehand i'll do research i'll
26:37
get it back do you have a reference book that
26:40
you would suggest like for people that wanted to
26:43
study something along mnemonics is
26:46
there and if not that's fine yeah well harry
26:49
lorraine's got fantastic stuff for memory
26:52
stuff he i went through when i started out i came up with it i grabbed all his
26:56
stuff yeah so he has the memory book right which that's a great suggestion harry
27:01
lorraine one of our magic teachers yeah living as a memory expert He was on
27:08
like the tonight show in the United States.
27:10
He called the audience's names out there. Yeah.
27:14
So, yeah. So that would be my go. If you want to get into memory, that would be my go too.
27:18
Because as you go into the topic of like doing due diligence and memorizing
27:21
client features, now you can use some of these other techniques and now you
27:25
can memorize the speech in a short amount of time and things like this.
27:29
Right? Yeah. I've got a booklet that I've written, which goes into the names,
27:33
peg systems, link system.
27:35
Well, there's the resource. Source? Where do you get that?
27:38
I'll send it to Josh and he can forward it on to everyone. Okay.
27:43
Maybe we'll put that in the Discord, perhaps. The Magigo Discord. Man, I am interested.
27:49
Yeah. And that, cause that, so that's something you give to the attendees of your keynote.
27:54
Yeah. So I'll do a keynote speech, a keynote at a conference,
27:57
and then everyone, every delegate gets the PDF at the end of it.
28:01
Now, one thing that you sort of just breezed over was that you familiarize yourself with the company.
28:06
So what does that look like? Is that just you basically doing a Google search,
28:11
reading what their web page is about? What do you kind of do there?
28:13
Okay. So old days, it was, you'd jump into the websites, you'd get as much information,
28:19
You'd work out what their strategies are, their culture, their key values,
28:23
so you understand from an executive level what direction their company's traveling.
28:33
Then you'd use that information. Then you'd obviously talk to your client,
28:39
your contact, and then if you get an opportunity to talk to some of the executives,
28:42
you talk to them as well, get the information they want,
28:44
find out what the theme of the conference is, what
28:47
direction they want to go with the conference and then
28:50
make sure you're in line with the messages they
28:53
want to bring across as an emcee
28:57
here's the uh grab all that information there's so much i want to try to put
29:04
in in words here nowadays chat gpt is fantastic yes I did a gig up in Cairns
29:13
and I had to, it was an international conference.
29:17
So everyone from around the world, it was a symposium for a bunch of engineers.
29:21
So exciting stuff, incredibly boring personalities, but geez, I had to drink.
29:26
My job was- I like performing for engineers. Oh, mate. For magic.
29:32
Mate, oh, I find different personalities or different occupations have different
29:38
personalities and you have to edit accordingly. Yeah.
29:41
So I did this gig up in Cairns and I had to interview 15 CEOs from different
29:47
companies around the world.
29:49
So I went chat GPT. So obviously I did my due diligence first on each of the companies.
29:54
And then I went to chat GPT and found out more information and went,
29:57
okay, structure me a questionnaire for them.
30:01
And then I, I wore it all set up, lined it all up. And then literally it was
30:05
like, they were like 10 minute interviews.
30:08
And then as the days went by, people would come up to me, I'll ask,
30:12
ask the president about women in the network.
30:15
It'll, it'll, it'll set him off. It's like, okay, sure. No trouble. I'll be there.
30:19
So people asking questions, right, let's explore this avenue.
30:24
And, like, I think I spoke to him for about 20 minutes. We were discussing this
30:29
whole topic, and it was fascinating and stuff.
30:32
But doing all that stuff does help you if you're having to interview or run
30:36
panels at a conference, understanding what the objective of the panel is, each of the panelists,
30:42
because sometimes you'll get panelists that won't talk, and you need to get it out of them.
30:49
And different little techniques. And if you know a little bit about them and
30:53
stuff that they're interested in, it sparks them to start talking about it.
30:58
Nigel, get it out of him. Now, 30 years of corporate gigs, you've got to have
31:04
some doozies of some stories, whether things have gone wrong,
31:08
just some weird stuff's happened.
31:10
Things that have gone wrong, mate. Like you've had to do gigs when you're sick.
31:13
Can we just spend a bit of time on some of the good stories?
31:17
Because I know this is what I want to hear, but also, yeah, all the guys want
31:22
to hear what happens to a seasoned pro when you collect all these.
31:25
These stories. Okay, you guys, you had the podcast last week.
31:28
We were talking about travels.
31:29
Yeah. And traveling around. So my traveling story, I'll start with that one.
31:35
I was doing a gig for Nissan, and it was in Catherine, which for the listeners
31:40
out there, Catherine's pretty much in the middle of Australia.
31:43
It is a four-hour plane flight from Brisbane to Darwin, and then a two- or three-hour
31:49
drive from Darwin down to Catherine.
31:51
I've got to the airport early in the morning because it's a six o'clock flight.
31:55
Plane's being delayed, delayed, delayed. Engine has blown up.
32:00
Plane don't work. I've rung my management, and we'll go back to management as well.
32:05
Doug, I'll tell you what I've done with that as well. That's another question
32:08
you had that we got sidetracked on there. Okay.
32:11
So yeah, so the plane, I rang my management and then they've gone,
32:14
I'll just stay at the airport. I'll see what we can do.
32:17
So my management comes back and goes, okay, we've got stuff organized.
32:20
The plane, so the plane I'm leaving on doesn't leave until three o'clock that afternoon.
32:27
Now, I start work at six and it's a four-hour flight. So I'm not landing in Darwin until seven.
32:34
So I get on the plane, we land in Darwin in seven. While I've been on the plane,
32:38
I get off the plane, I ring my management again. What's happening?
32:42
They go, you should find someone there. What we've organized is a private charter plane for you.
32:47
So I've gone, righty-o, cool. So there's a private charter plane.
32:50
I find the guy who's the pilot, private charter plane.
32:53
I've left half my show on the carousel. I'm just going, grab what I want for
32:58
a show, put it in my pockets, grab my costume.
33:00
We hop into this little two-seater plane.
33:04
And then he goes, oh, hang on a sec. He rings up the traffic controller, Darwin.
33:07
He goes, right, yeah, we're good to go. He flies the wrong way up the airport,
33:11
up the runway, because he's got clearance from the control because it will save us 15 minutes.
33:16
You take off the wrong way. We fly into Catherine, land in there,
33:20
and then there's a limousine waiting for me.
33:22
While in the plane, when we're flying in the plane, like I'm excited to go,
33:26
oh, I'm flying up the front seat. This is great.
33:29
He takes off. In the air, I get to the back. I get changed, and I get on my
33:33
show set in the back of the plane.
33:35
We land. There's a limousine that basically drives me to the venue.
33:40
I get out of the venue. They're eating desserts.
33:42
There's 120 people. I've got 20 minutes before showtime. I've gone around,
33:47
ripped around, learned all the names and then did an hour show and then got
33:53
up the next morning at five and drove back. That's insane.
33:57
Going back to your question before,
34:01
Doug, in relation to management so i have exclusive management i go through
34:05
onstage entertainment i have for the last god 25 years it was interesting someone
34:12
calls you do you just say call them.
34:15
They, they, sorry. Exclusive management.
34:18
Does that mean if someone was like, if someone, if someone rings you up night,
34:22
I'm like, Oh, I saw you at a thing. Can I hire you?
34:25
Doug saying, do you just then send them to me up direct?
34:28
And they go, Oh, can we go direct? And I go, no, no, no, no, no.
34:31
I'll go. Sure. Happy to chat with you. Happy to do the gig.
34:34
I'll pass the information onto my management and then they'll,
34:37
they'll handle the rest. Oh no, no. We want to go direct.
34:39
No, no, no, no, no. That's not the way I work in the business.
34:42
I'm very ethical and I believe very much in ethics and doing the right thing.
34:46
There is enough work out there for all of us and agents and managements are there to do a job.
34:52
Like, for example, that gig where I had to go up to Darwin, I did nothing.
34:58
I just made one phone call and they took care of the rest.
35:01
That's what they're there for. They're there for those situations where stuff's
35:06
going wrong and you need that scenario.
35:10
It was interesting when I moved to onstage, my old management and my new management
35:17
and myself went to lunch and they traded me like a soccer player.
35:21
My old management's like, well, okay. So the first year I would like 10% of
35:26
whatever he takes for the year, plus a small trailer.
35:29
And I'm like, boys, I'm right here. I am right here and I can hear you both.
35:35
They're like and now when he gets grumpy you want to get him a beer and you
35:39
want to like so and what i do as well is and i'm happy to share this is i have a set fee,
35:48
that my management goes out so and
35:52
then if there's other bureaus because i work through all the bureaus in the
35:55
country if there's another bureau in the country that wants to use me they obviously
36:00
contact my management which goes through me they get their full commission right
36:04
and then my management takes a cut of their commission and left it means I'm
36:07
left with less of my fee but a little,
36:12
It doesn't matter what bureau's flogging me off.
36:15
They're both going out at the same fee. It then comes down to relationship that
36:19
they have with those clients.
36:21
And B, it's a level playing field for me.
36:24
Yeah, you're not getting undersold out there. I'm not getting undersold.
36:28
I'm happy taking the cut that I take.
36:32
And these other people get paid accordingly for the jobs that they do
36:36
rather than going through and
36:39
saying hey oh i'm gonna he's he's
36:42
such and such oh plus he's an extra this much it's all
36:46
it's a one set fee and as josh said they they
36:48
got me for the day they can use and abuse me as they feed i really
36:52
like that approach and when i'm traveling to work for corporate clients that's
36:55
what i encourage people to do is to book a daily rate and then i'll offer whatever
36:59
they need yeah and the other thing uh this is something else that stood out
37:04
to me and I've tried to adopt this from Nigel, is when we first met,
37:09
it was Nigel emceeing a gala dinner and I was booked to do the roving around the tables.
37:15
And even though we're both magicians, Nigel saw me, got my business card,
37:20
took a photo of it and sent it to his agent that night saying,
37:25
hey, there's another magician out here.
37:26
Here's his details. And I think I got an email from your your management that
37:31
same night because you actually were interested in another magician getting work,
37:37
even though some people might have
37:40
that closed mindset of that's going to jeopardize what I do kind of thing.
37:44
If you see someone good, I'm happy to straightaway tell my management.
37:50
If I see a good band, if I'm working with a corporate band or I see another
37:54
speaker, straightaway I'm on my management going, hey, you need to check out this person.
37:58
Cool. And they'll ask me to check people out as well. All right.
38:02
Do you have a weird story?
38:05
I have. Which weird story? Two strokes, epileptic fit, 20% roll.
38:12
Oh, yeah. That was recent. That was recent. Was there actually fighting?
38:16
Yeah. Give us that story. Yeah. And that was this year, I think.
38:20
It's a good story. It's a good story.
38:23
That's not this year. This is back in my crazy days in theater.
38:27
Oh. But there was one this year you told us about.
38:30
A story with violence on Pineweather, for the record. I'm trying to remember
38:34
which one that was now, Josh.
38:36
This was at the drinks afterwards. I think it was like a rival.
38:41
Oh, my God, yes.
38:43
You can't mention any of the companies here. How am I reminding the memory guy of something you did?
38:50
Shocking memory. I bet he knows all their names, though. Yeah, true. Yeah, they do.
38:55
Funnily enough, the CEO of one of the companies turned up to a function I did
38:59
up the coast, and I've gone, you know, Pete, how are you, mate?
39:02
And I'm like, I'm not going to mention anything about what happened.
39:04
So back in the theater days, so the crazies is 18 to 35-year-olds.
39:10
They're to heckle and get drunk.
39:14
Brentley's, I did five years there. That was 18 to extinct.
39:18
Sorry, 35 to extinct. Literally, we'd have days where they'd wheel in the aged
39:23
care people and they'd eat lunch.
39:27
And the owner, she'd go, oh, you're going to go on during lunch.
39:31
Whatever sure that's the
39:35
trenches oh man you got
39:38
these old people clunking away eating so i've gone
39:41
screw this i did the needle through the arm you know harry anderson's
39:44
needle through the arm yeah yeah and i've done that trick while
39:47
they're eating and i'm like and i've got spit
39:50
drooling from my mouth just and i'm
39:53
just just right stop i'm fine you want to put me on
39:56
while they're eating sure we'll do this so yeah
40:00
so we're at crazy's one night and then i'm on stage and then everyone's was
40:03
appropriately named yeah oh crazy's was
40:06
so much fun if we could all go back we we'd do
40:09
it all again in a heartbeat it was just so much
40:12
fun so i'm on stage looking and then everyone's just done this
40:15
and i've done and looked
40:18
over and there's these like 20 people just going for
40:20
it on one of the tables and just laying into
40:24
each other and i've like gone on all righty yeah like completely calm with it
40:28
because it's not like the first time this has happened it's like all right folks
40:31
you want to watch the fight or should we get on with the show and they've gone
40:34
yeah fight's over let's get back to the show and we went back to the show another
40:38
night we did a sketch i'll tell you a good routine we did a crazy two.
40:44
This is this started out serious and ended up in
40:46
a piss take we had did one night with a sketch sketch and
40:50
one of the guys and it's basically a i come out and i blow up it's mining i
40:54
blow up a doll and then i try to kiss the doll and so it's all inappropriate
40:57
whatnot and at the end this gay guy comes running out from the stage and then
41:01
i'm like ah and that's the end of the set but we've done this and then one of
41:05
the guys in the audience has turned to his missus and gone hi honey i'm gay,
41:10
and i was just like oh my god i'm out oh i'm gay and like she's at the back
41:17
with this crying and he's on.
41:19
It was just, oh, it's a carnage of fun.
41:24
And that happens every week. Every week. I did a routine at Crazies.
41:30
I loved it. It was a three-ring linking ring routine, but it was all glow-in-the-dark.
41:38
So I taped.
41:39
So this is back in the 90s. I taped my rings with glow-in-the-dark tape.
41:46
I had white gloves on, and so these white gloves would come out,
41:49
and I'd come out, and you'd have the glow-in-the-dark rings,
41:52
and it was all like a minute 46 routine, all serious.
41:57
It was like beautiful moves and whole thing, and then the routine.
42:01
By the end of the season, this routine had turned from this beautiful,
42:06
lovely, serious routine to I would come out, and then halfway through the routine,
42:12
another two hands would come out.
42:14
They would undo my pants. they'd pull my pants down i'd
42:17
have while in the dark y fronts on then they'd
42:20
bring out this glow in the dark sheep and next minute the
42:23
sheep while i'm doing this ring routine whoa so
42:27
from the start of the season to the end of the season stuff had changed we'd
42:32
constantly have to try to throw each other off on stage it was just so much
42:36
fun another story from cans for you josh which which it's incredibly painful
42:42
for me, but it's one of those stories that you do.
42:45
I went up to Cairns. I was doing a gig up there.
42:49
Ended up getting violently ill, and I mean violently ill, where I am throwing
42:54
up and diarrhea every 15 minutes.
42:57
So I've, thank God, the event organizer I knew is a good friend.
43:03
And that's the other advantage of working with management as well,
43:06
is you get to learn all the PCOs, the event organizers, and they understand
43:11
how you work, they like what you do, they like the ethics, and then you kind
43:15
of become friends from it.
43:16
And that helps you get more work in the business.
43:19
And that's probably why I don't market at all, because I have all these other
43:23
connections from working in the industry over the years.
43:26
But anyway, so I've done this gig. I'm violently ill. So I've grabbed Jeff.
43:30
I said, Jeff, we need to talk to the client. I'm not well.
43:33
I've said, look, I don't want any money for this. I'll do the show.
43:38
It's gratis. That's the way it's going to be. The pool area is there. I've come down.
43:44
I've come down to do, I do one group, close up for three minutes,
43:48
back to the room, throw up, diarrhea, back down again, do another group,
43:53
back up to the room, throw up, come back down, do another group.
43:56
And while I'm doing this, I'm learning the names as well. Oh my God.
44:01
I'm back down. And then it's showtime. I've gone, right.
44:04
A show's going to happen. I'm 20 minutes into the show. I've got a woman up.
44:08
I'm doing the theater sports routine with hands because I do a whole heap of other stuff as well.
44:13
I'm doing theater sports. Suddenly, I throw up. I've swallowed it,
44:17
and diarrhea starts coming down my legs. Shut the fuck up. And I'm dying. Oh, my God.
44:21
I've gone, right, folks, we're going to have a small break. You're going to
44:25
have some dessert, and we'll come back after dessert for the next part of the show.
44:28
I've gone back to my room, had a shower, cleaned my clothes,
44:32
obviously throwing up more, diarrhea more, come back on,
44:36
on finish the other 20 minutes like i
44:39
was doing stand-up on my haunches and one minute from the
44:42
crowd's going you asthmatic i got oh god i wish i was right now
44:44
i've done this end up i get a standing ovation for the show not that i can remember
44:50
it because jeff because i spoke to jeff the day afterwards he then i finished
44:55
the show he basically just picks me up he's just leave your shit there kez and
44:59
come up and he literally literally takes me back up to the.
45:03
Room we opened the door to my room and oh my god it's rank in
45:07
there gone in there we've called the ambulance
45:10
and we've basically gotten me back together
45:13
again i've run my management again this is like 11 o'clock at night
45:16
right my management gone i'm violently ill i'm on a plane
45:19
at 6 a.m it's not happening fix it
45:22
so my management gang they take care of that
45:24
they're on the phone to the hotel was brilliant they
45:28
basically said look we've extended your stay till five in
45:31
the afternoon known yeah scotty p what a shit show
45:33
you that is correct and jeff knows
45:38
a lot of the other entertainers in the industry next minute i
45:41
start getting text messages and emails from like phil cass scott williams
45:44
going mate heard what you did champ well done so yeah
45:47
it was as you started telling this gig
45:50
story i'm like he's gonna have a long road to hoe to beat trig
45:53
watson but i think yeah winner crazy stories
45:58
to to get to go from getting a standing ovation to then calling an ambulance
46:03
is yeah just such a contrast man holy mile all the while doing names in which
46:09
you were supposed to have the coolest calmest collectest mind like are you unfazed by anything.
46:15
Yeah if my head gets into that into that frame of mind nick yeah nothing will
46:19
throw me i did My mum died at two in the morning, and then my brother and I
46:24
went and did charity work for cancer. She died of cancer.
46:27
And the next day at two o'clock that afternoon, 12 hours later,
46:31
I was doing charity work for cancer because it was already booked in.
46:34
And it was like, as soon as I started working,
46:36
All the emotions went. It was like, I'm here to do a job. It's all about them.
46:40
It's nothing about me. Get the job done. Don't worry about yourself.
46:44
That's a skill in itself, a remarkable skill.
46:49
Another funny gig story for you is, and this is probably my favorite.
46:54
I was doing a gig for Yellow Brick Road down at the MCG. You two boys don't
46:58
know what's going to happen to you. Doug wouldn't have heard this one.
47:01
It was for Yellow Brick Road. I was emceeing and doing a show for them down
47:05
there. Now, for the people that don't know, the chairman is Mark Borat,
47:08
who's a famous celebrity here in Australia.
47:13
He's the chairman, and I had to introduce the CEO. His name is Matt.
47:17
I've introduced the CEO. He's come up today to do the welcome speech.
47:21
I've walked off stage, mic in hand, and so the mic's here, and I've just put,
47:26
like I normally do, I've just put my hands behind my back as I normally do,
47:30
sitting off stage waiting for him to finish his speech.
47:34
And then the next minute you hear over over the speakers this because i had to let one rip,
47:44
so and i put the mic behind my thing i
47:46
and i hear this sound going oh jesus i
47:49
ripped the mic out to the front because the sound
47:52
boys had forgotten to drop me from the booth so this
47:56
fart has gone on through the speakers the audience
48:00
starts starts chuckling away i'm at the side stage going oh that's that's funny
48:07
um and now in true typical form rather than owning the situation i've walked
48:14
back up on stage to back announce him and do the next thing and i've gone.
48:19
They literally stitched him up completely and then straight away as soon as
48:24
i finished i've I've rung my manager and gone, you're not going to believe what I just did.
48:28
Oh, man. That's funny. It's pretty funny. Wow. Slow clap for that one. That's a slow clap.
48:35
God damn it. It reminds me of all those jokes about Taylor Swift.
48:40
The way she holds her microphone, she kind of holds it down at her side or her
48:43
butt crack while she looks at the audience.
48:44
And it's just like, she's totally fighting into that microphone.
48:47
She's totally fighting into that microphone.
48:50
Far out. Hey, we had a question from Christopher Wayne.
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He wanted to ask Nige, how does it feel going from being a corporate guy to
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now sort of moving towards a guy that sells tickets and plays for a theater audience every week?
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That is an excellent question. To answer your question, I love it.
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I love the theater of magic. That is my passion.
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I am very lucky that I get to work with Josh and Chris.
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Two of my favorite guys, two of my best mates. Like when I left theater,
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it was like literally, that's all I want to do. I just want to get back into a theater again.
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And I've seized the opportunity here to do the things.
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You know how you do something and then you go, oh, I regret.
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I should have done that a little bit more.
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And now that what we've set up, and honestly, the three of us,
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I think what we've set up here is really special.
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We're ticking all the right boxes. and it's, like I say, it's not just a show, it's an experience.
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And that's our goal. That's our value that we want to deliver to our clients.
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So we'll do the little extra things.
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We'll have a box of chocolates there for them if they've come along the second time.
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We'll try to remember who they were, who they saw, how their kids are going.
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One guy comes in, he loves looking at the maps in the map room.
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So it's like, oh, Steve, you can go check out those maps over here.
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There's some new ones over here this time.
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Just remembering those little nuances makes people
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feel special it's having said that from a corporate perspective to a theater
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of magic perspective it is so much easier to perform the people are there to
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see you perform in a corporate setting they're not necessarily there to see
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you perform you have to be on your a game when you're in a corporate world.
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That's the difference of all time right there
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people coming to see magic like that's
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the dream scene that rarely happens for professional magicians
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it's so nice that we're seeing these venues
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pop up not just like yours but around the world where
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people are showing that they want this and hopefully
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it will continue it's a great intimate form of theater
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how many seats do y'all have 40 40
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is what we set for so i love that number
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i think it's a great number it makes people
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feel part of the show they're not watching that's how like hoffsens are used
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to do it and who dan you know you would come into the salon and witness there
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is no bad seats either like every seat's wonderful and you know the amount of
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cross-checking that nige does before each show to ensure that all All the sight
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lines are what they're supposed to be.
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You, I know you want it to be an experience and I can say from someone who performed
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there not too long ago, it, it really is.
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What's Chris, I can run your artistic brain cares and just do it.
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Yeah. The current theme I've heard is that you genuinely care about the experience
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you provide for the people who watch you.
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And sometimes maybe magicians get self self-absorbed with the things they want
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to showcase and don't care as much about the, as the people they're showcasing it to.
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When in fact that needs to be the focus always.
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Yeah. It comes back to that comment. I said, it's not about you. It's about them.
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Yeah. And you know what? I think that ethos, I, my dream for you guys,
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if I may, like, I think it would be amazing to have like,
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Theater of Magic Brisbane, Theater of Magic Sydney, Theater of Magic Perth,
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Theater of Magic New York.
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I mean, I just believe it belongs everywhere with the way you guys are doing it. You know what I mean?
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I really hope in the years to come that it does really expand everywhere.
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Everyone needs to experience it. Well, I'm glad you say that,
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Nick. Stay tuned for Theater of Magic Melbourne.
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Yeah, boy. Yep. Now, something else that would be, I think, really valuable for the listeners,
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because Nigel has had quite a successful career in magic and all his businesses
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and stuff he's been doing, he's actually set himself up to be able to retire
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from doing this stuff if he wants to.
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Like, you know, I won't go into all your portfolios and stuff,
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but he, you know, owns multiple properties and things like that because he's
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had a successful career and doing what he loves doing.
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Right. What advice do you have to magicians?
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What do you have to magicians that are currently working of how they should
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start thinking about when they want to not have to be running to every single gig?
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Gig. You mentioned something to me about how we don't think about it,
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but we should be putting our own super aside and little things like that.
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What a great topic. Let's hear it.
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First step, let's say you get $1,000 for a gig.
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First thing that you grab 10% of that before tax is taken out,
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10% goes into what's called savings, long-term savings.
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That could be either super superannuation or long-term savings,
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and it is never, ever touched.
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You then grab another 10% and it goes into what's called a mojo account,
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which is an emergency account. That's your emergency money.
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Once again, doesn't get touched, but it's used for emergencies.
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Washing machine breaks down, need a new fridge, car maintenance,
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that type of big expense items because that'll build up over the years.
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But that savings thing never gets touched.
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I'm very lucky that my partner, she takes care of all that.
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If I was left with the money, I'd spend it willy-nilly like you wouldn't believe.
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Leave, but she's like, no, no, no. This is what happens.
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This money's going here. This money goes here. So 10% goes to here.
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10% goes to the mojo. You then take 30% goes into tax.
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So that leaves you, that's 50. So half the money's already gone.
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Okay. The other half, that other 50%, you can grab 10% goes into entertaining myself.
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So that could be a takeaway meal, going to the movies, that type of thing.
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That other 40% after bills, groceries, et cetera.
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And then that's the way you set it up so if
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you earn a thousand dollars at a gig you're actually
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only earning four hundred dollars because everything just became
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my financial advisor now having said
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that i actually have to quote this is not financial advice you may go see your
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financial advisor just say that it's well you're my lawyer too that's awesome
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i did my finance qualifications you have to actually declare that this is not financial advice.
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That's beautiful part of my other world,
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Now, just on your other world, you have a title for that other world, Quantum.
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I am a, okay, so for the listeners out there, I also, not only do I do my corporate. This is crazy, yeah.
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I do my corporates, obviously do Theatre of Magic, which is about,
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for me, I think for all of us, it's about 20 hours a week, Josh,
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isn't it, that we all spend?
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Probably, yeah. At least. At least. So, and I also, I have for the last 30 years
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also worked full-time. I have three degrees.
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I have a Bachelor of Mathematics, a Master's of IT, and a Master's of Finance.
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I am what's called a quantitative analyst, so nerd, mathematician.
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I build mathematical model to help. I work in a dealing floor,
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and I build mathematical models to help people trade or make better business
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decisions when trading.
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He's so clever that when he's so
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clever that when he started working with his management for corporate
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entertainment he looked at their system and went i can build that better and
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you didn't you build their website or their booking systeming and yeah they're
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on stage entertainment their booking system i actually built it for them program
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you get all the work yeah and then He just tweets the algorithm to send all the inquiries.
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He's booking himself now. Yeah, that's it.
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So I do a lot of things. I don't sleep.
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Wait, we haven't talked memorized deck. Do you use one? If so,
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what? And do you want to talk about it?
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No. The answer is no, I don't do it. I use the mnemonic one that Josh uses as well.
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But I don't use the memorized deck for some reason. I just he doesn't use it
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but he just knows it like we'll be doing a routine yeah the next card in my
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routine can you do the deck can you memorize one on the fly is that something you've tried no no,
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So that, sorry, let me rephrase that for you, Doug. Yes, I can do it.
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I will need time to practice it and learn it. It's like everything.
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It's like every skill. Right.
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It's like learning a double lift, you know, doing a pharaoh,
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doing whatever coin move you want to do on muscle palm.
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Great answer. You want to, it's just a bit of hard work and job done.
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Yeah. Yeah. And in saying all of this stuff, his magic is really great.
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Like, you know, great Zaro shuffles, great routine-ing.
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You've got the funniest Bill and Lemon routine I've ever seen.
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That Bill and Lemon routine, I built that at Brantley's. Now,
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you've seen how I work now, Josh, because the Theatre of Magic,
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what I love about the Theatre of Magic is it's an opportunity for us to really hone our shows.
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Like, I've come up with 20 minutes' worth of new material since the last seven
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months, and I have honed other parts to my show.
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I've got a lot more callbacks now. And the reason I've honed it is A,
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because of Chris and Josh, because we will sit down and I'll listen to the boys.
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And Chris will go, why don't you try this? And I'll go, sure,
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I'll give it a crack. And Josh will go, well, why don't you do this?
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And I go, sure, I'll give it a crack. My favorite part is I do the Cody Fisher book test.
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And then I moved from that into the Sean Farquhar's.
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Sherlock Holmes routine. But at the start of the Cody Fisher one,
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it's like, oh, any word, any word, and you pull out the dictionary and they can get that gag.
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Josh has gone, wouldn't it be great if we could bring that back later on?
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And I went, that's a good idea. And then Josh says, why don't you use a billet?
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I went, okay, yeah, let's do that.
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So then we've done a billet switch for it. So we've got this jar.
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And then Chris has gone, why don't you walk on with the jar?
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So we're doing all different ideas that slowly develop it more and more.
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And then just the method that I've come up to come up with to get the word on
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this piece of paper is so bold, but apparently it, you don't see it.
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Yeah, it's frying. So if, if, if everyone listening, basically what it's gone
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from is the start of a book test extravaganza routine is saying name any word.
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And I've, I can tell you, I've got it written down in my case here and they
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They say any word. And then the joke is, well, here's a dictionary.
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It's probably in there somewhere.
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And that was just where he left that.
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But now we've built up this routine where now that word that's said as a joke
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is then revealed impossibly in this glass jar that we foreshadowed by bringing
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out and sitting down at the start of the show.
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It's a piece of theater is what it is.
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And then the lemon routine, the money, I switched back to a five.
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That money then comes back again wrapped up inside the paper so not only do
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you have the word there but you also have the note from earlier in the show
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coming back so it's a call back again to that and like the insurance routine
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I grabbed a routine with the insurance policy which I've altered.
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Again, to quickly hand out the insurance policy at the end rather than having not to hand it out.
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People are just going to have to come and see it. Now, Nigel doesn't have your
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typical social media pipes, but he is on the Instagram.
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So if fellow magicians want to reach out to you, is that the best place to do that?
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Okay, you're going to have to tell me. You're going to have to teach me what
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I need to look for. I'll just keep an eye on messages then. Sure. Done.
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So hit him up on instagram message send my message
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there because i know you're able you know how to share stuff on there
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so you probably can click a few buttons i'm gonna go sure
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some to be honest sometimes i don't know josh i
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just go yeah or just ask me and i'll
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put you in touch with nigel you can do that too but look
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we're gonna end thank you so much man for coming on i you know
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i'm i'm so privileged to get to spend time with nigel
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every single week at the theater of magic you know we share many of
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farts at the theater and um you know
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i forget how many gold nuggets he
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has to share with the magic world so we're gonna obviously have
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to have him come back again but we're gonna
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end the episode like we do every time with the final
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word uh first of all thanks boys for having me on my final word is this is something
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i wrote when i was at crazies when I obviously started in becoming really professional
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at what I do and when I started Names.
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And it goes like this. It's I dream of something that is impossible,
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and when I have achieved it, I dream some more. That's it. Thanks very much.