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Whitney Port: Sticking With It When Things Get Tough + The Biggest Misconceptions From Her Time on Reality TV · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe, and each week my guests
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  Speaker 1: and I have conversations that put a new spin on pretty.
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  Speaker 1: This is pretty smart. Whitney port rose to fame on
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  Speaker 1: the two thousands reality show The Hills, but as she'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Has happened since then.
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  Speaker 1: She calls herself a Jane of all trades, and she's
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  Speaker 1: not exaggerating. Whitney's an entrepreneur, fashion designer, influencer, YouTuber, blogger, podcaster,
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  Speaker 1: and TV personality. She hasn't stopped evolving and reinventing herself
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  Speaker 1: since her day's on the Hills and then her own
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  Speaker 1: spin off show, The City. She's also not afraid to
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  Speaker 1: talk about hard things and does so all the time
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  Speaker 1: on her podcast and her Instagram, which sort of feels
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  Speaker 1: like a personal diary in a way.
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  Speaker 2: We cover a lot of ground in this.
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  Speaker 1: Episode, but I wanted to start from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: So you have evolved so many times in your career.
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  Speaker 3: There was reality TV and then the fashion world, and
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  Speaker 3: now you've started another fashion label.
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  Speaker 2: You do brand partnerships, and.
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  Speaker 1: As I was researching for this interview, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, is she exhausted?
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  Speaker 4: I mean the answer is yes, for sure. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like sometimes I'm on a perpetual state of exhaustion. But
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  Speaker 4: I also feel like ready for so much more too.
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  Speaker 4: As Sunny is now four and a half, so he's
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  Speaker 4: sleeping more and not perfectly, not like completely on his
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  Speaker 4: own throughout the night, but like, I'm really able to
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  Speaker 4: get a solid seven ish hour sleep, so I feel
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  Speaker 4: like that's enough for me. And I definitely sometimes feel
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  Speaker 4: that burnout, of course, but I just feel right now
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  Speaker 4: like I'm in such a growth days I think, the
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  Speaker 4: thirties and now into my late thirties, like it's all
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  Speaker 4: about nourishing so many things that I've been working on
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  Speaker 4: and really like watching things grow. And so I'm committed
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  Speaker 4: to the hustle at this point, but definitely tired too.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to actually ask you more about what you
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  Speaker 3: just said, because everybody always talks about.
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  Speaker 2: Rebranding your twenties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't hear a lot about being in
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  Speaker 3: your thirties. What did you expect versus how you feel
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  Speaker 3: in your thirties?
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  Speaker 4: So I didn't really expect much from my thirties other
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  Speaker 4: than the kind of like very general things like probably
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  Speaker 4: just to be married and have a kid by then
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  Speaker 4: and be like somewhat settled in my career, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I think basically like those things on paper that you
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  Speaker 4: think about in your twenties that you think are important,
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  Speaker 4: and yes, they definitely are, but they don't complete you, right,
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  Speaker 4: But I think your thirties there is a whole reidentification,
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  Speaker 4: especially as a mom, because all of a sudden you
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  Speaker 4: become this other identity that is completely new, and you
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  Speaker 4: have to balance that with who you once were, and
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  Speaker 4: then you have to balance that with who you are
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  Speaker 4: to your partner and how they are to you. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the thirties is like a huge, huge, huge time of growth.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like I've heard that the forties for
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  Speaker 4: women is a little bit more like you feel more
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  Speaker 4: settled within yourself, a little bit more confident. Some things
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  Speaker 4: have already probably happened in your life, whether it's kids
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  Speaker 4: or no kids, that question is kind of answered at
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  Speaker 4: that point, so you don't have to stress about that
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  Speaker 4: anymore and can really just focus on like doing you
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  Speaker 4: and being you. So I'm continuing to look forward to that,
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  Speaker 4: and I think instead of like being scared of my forties,
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  Speaker 4: Like I look forward to those years of confidence and like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, happiness for where I'm at, not like constantly
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  Speaker 4: looking forward, which is something that we all get caught
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  Speaker 4: up in a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially career focused people, I think are constantly even
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  Speaker 3: just the way it's set up, like planning a year out,
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  Speaker 3: especially with fashion lines.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're really used to doing that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I've listened to a lot of podcasts, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: I haven't heard anybody bring this up.
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  Speaker 2: You were a gender studies major, you, Yeah, no one
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  Speaker 2: talks about it.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I know. It was really the coolest, Like
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  Speaker 4: I kind of realized that USC that I knew that
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to be in the fashion industry. Like my
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  Speaker 4: second year in at USC, I had a internship a
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  Speaker 4: teen vogue like The Hills was starting. I kind of
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  Speaker 4: like was like filling that bucket of the career thing.
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  Speaker 4: And so school for me, I looked at as just
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  Speaker 4: like why don't I just study something that sounds really interesting,
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  Speaker 4: like something that I don't really know much about, that
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  Speaker 4: I'm really interested in and that I believe in and
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  Speaker 4: in learning more about. And so I did it, and
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  Speaker 4: it was like it was amazing. It was so it
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  Speaker 4: was so enlightening, and I would like to go back
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  Speaker 4: to look at like my work and what I actually
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  Speaker 4: did during those courses, because you forget so much, Like
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  Speaker 4: maybe not you, but I've forgotten so much. But I
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  Speaker 4: do remember looking at things, especially obviously gender, in a
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  Speaker 4: different light after that, because it's weird. It's weird now.
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  Speaker 4: Doing also like to sidebar watching our reaction videos on
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  Speaker 4: YouTube and watching how kids talked in the early two thousands,
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  Speaker 4: and just like the things that they said and this,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like the slander and the prejudice, and you
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  Speaker 4: know that was happening with all of I feel like
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  Speaker 4: me and my friends too, and we just weren't educated.
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  Speaker 4: And so I just feel really honored and lucky to
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  Speaker 4: have been able to have that education as a young
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  Speaker 4: twenty something.
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  Speaker 3: You were ahead of your time in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 3: It's so crazy to me that that's what you chose
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  Speaker 3: that you were interested in. Do you think it's translated
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  Speaker 3: into your work or your fashion line?
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  Speaker 4: Interesting question. I think that the general idea of women's
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  Speaker 4: empowerment has definitely translated into my fashion line. Like I
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  Speaker 4: think that my whatever I do in fashion It's always
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  Speaker 4: rooted at the core with like how can I make
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  Speaker 4: something that a woman will just feel her most comfortable,
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  Speaker 4: her best self, like really like her most self. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that that idea really frames like what I
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  Speaker 4: actually create. So yes, there's always that idea in the
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  Speaker 4: back of my head and to like how can I
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  Speaker 4: create more of like a meaning behind what I'm doing
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  Speaker 4: so that, like you said, I'm not just putting like
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  Speaker 4: product out there, Like I don't want to be that person.
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  Speaker 4: I want to always like produce in an ethical way,
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  Speaker 4: and I always want there to be some sort of
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  Speaker 4: like heart behind what I create.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things because I remember, I'm sure you
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  Speaker 3: get this when people interview, but I remember watching almost
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  Speaker 3: every episode of The Hills and then The City like
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  Speaker 3: with my girlfriends, whether it was high school or college,
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  Speaker 3: and we'd always be like, Whitney's the only one that
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  Speaker 3: has her shit together, like she was like you were
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  Speaker 3: all you carried yourself with such great.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I feel like I really owe
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  Speaker 4: that to my parents, Like I think it just had
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  Speaker 4: to do with my upbringing and then my environment, Like
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  Speaker 4: I grew up with two parents who are really level
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  Speaker 4: headed and came from you know, not nothing, but like
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  Speaker 4: not everything, And they just raised us with this idea
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  Speaker 4: that like our confidence was everything, and that it didn't
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  Speaker 4: matter what anybody else was doing. It was like, we
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  Speaker 4: need to really listen to our own comfort zone. And
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  Speaker 4: like I felt like we learned to really trust our
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  Speaker 4: boundaries because of that. And also I grew up in
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  Speaker 4: Los Angeles and I went to a private school in
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  Speaker 4: Santa Monica called Crossroads that's like filled with celebrity culture
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  Speaker 4: and celebrity parents and Hollywood people and that whole world,
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  Speaker 4: and so I just grew up with that, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that like then when I got to be on
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  Speaker 4: reality TV, I wasn't necessarily like impressed by all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe that's just because I was jaded, but I
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  Speaker 4: think that that helped in me not getting caught up
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  Speaker 4: in what people do reality TV for.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I felt that from you entirely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wondering what you think the biggest misconception was
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  Speaker 3: about you on the show?
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  Speaker 4: I always had I always think about this. I think
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  Speaker 4: the biggest misconception was that I was just kind of
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  Speaker 4: like filled with faces and didn't necessarily like add the
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  Speaker 4: most value in terms of conversation, you know, Like sometimes
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  Speaker 4: I think that they would use me being like silly
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  Speaker 4: and quirky and like bubbly, and it could come off
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  Speaker 4: as a little bit air heady. And I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if that was just like my insecurity or if that's
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  Speaker 4: what people were taking away from it, Like that's what
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  Speaker 4: I felt like was happening, and I didn't want that
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  Speaker 4: to be the case. I was like, God, I remember
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  Speaker 4: Laurena and I having such like a deep, awesome conversation
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  Speaker 4: about that thing, but yet they used me just going
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  Speaker 4: like hmm, you know. And then the other thing is
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  Speaker 4: also that I grew up in the fashion industry and
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  Speaker 4: even before doing the show, you know, like might watched
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  Speaker 4: my dad be in the fashion industry, and it was
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  Speaker 4: something that I always wanted to do. Like I was
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  Speaker 4: even just reading my journal from ninety seven and it
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  Speaker 4: was talking about me wanting to be in the fashion industry,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that it was hard for me. It
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  Speaker 4: was hard for people to take me seriously as someone
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  Speaker 4: in fashion because of my start being on a reality
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  Speaker 4: TV show. And so that's what I just I think
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  Speaker 4: would be another thing that I've always been trying to prove,
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  Speaker 4: which I realized I just need to stop, and I
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  Speaker 4: just need to believe in myself that that was what
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  Speaker 4: I was meant to do. But you know, I'm always
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  Speaker 4: trying to prove that I am more than just this
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  Speaker 4: person on reality you know that was on like a
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  Speaker 4: big reality TV show.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you were so ahead of your time in so
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  Speaker 3: many ways, because now I think people use reality TV
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  Speaker 3: almost as like a thirty minute infomercial for their brand.
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  Speaker 4: It's so true. And we we, I think, were starting
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  Speaker 4: to see that and we're like becoming our own little
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  Speaker 4: versions of entrepreneurs, but we didn't have social media to
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  Speaker 4: really like blow it up as much as you can now,
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  Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, I'm like grateful that there wasn't
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  Speaker 4: social media at that time because I'm grateful that I
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  Speaker 4: didn't have to scrutinize all that incoming stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But I also sometimes wish that there was, so that
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  Speaker 4: I could have obviously capitalized on everything that I was
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  Speaker 4: doing at the time.
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  Speaker 3: I sort of got this feeling that you're doing that now,
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes to do it later is actually more exciting
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  Speaker 3: because you have more wisdom and experience behind it.
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  Speaker 4: True, that's true, and like you're in more control of
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  Speaker 4: the narrative and like you're really putting out there what's
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  Speaker 4: meaningful to you, you know, And so I appreciate that,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that's what we're trying to do without
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  Speaker 4: it being like a full on reality TV show.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, one thing I noticed watching the reaction videos
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  Speaker 3: is that as I think as you've gotten older, you've
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  Speaker 3: actually shown more of yourself and more of your life online.
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  Speaker 2: M hmmm, and I'm wondering how that feels.
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  Speaker 3: Are you comfortable, are you just so comfortable with vulnerability
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  Speaker 3: or do you think about what you're putting out online.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like pretty comfortable with it at this point, Like
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  Speaker 4: I just, yeah, I'm just kind of like when I
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  Speaker 4: feel like talking about it, I talk about it and
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  Speaker 4: I share it, and when I don't, I don't, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I really feel like the more that I talk
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  Speaker 4: about stuff, about stuff that's actually going on, like deep stuff,
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  Speaker 4: the more I I really am able to work through
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  Speaker 4: it myself. Like it feels like I'm so open with
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  Speaker 4: everybody and I'm getting so many great perspectives that it's
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  Speaker 4: almost like it's my own form of therapy. And then
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  Speaker 4: I also, yeah, like filming with Timmy, sitting with him
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  Speaker 4: being on that couch doing our thing, like it's just
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  Speaker 4: my comfort zone. It just feels like us. Like when
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  Speaker 4: I actually go to do that, it never feels like work.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, Yeah, I get to go
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  Speaker 4: watch TV with like my best friend and husband, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So it's really fun that we've been able to make
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  Speaker 4: a job out of something that we really love to do.
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes I'm like, oh my god, it's so silly
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  Speaker 4: that what we love to do is like sit on
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  Speaker 4: the couch and watch TV. But it's so much more
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  Speaker 4: than that, Like we're it's you know, we're we are
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  Speaker 4: sharing what's going on with us. We're like being vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about the culture of the time that the
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  Speaker 4: shows that we're watching, like having certain conversations about important things,
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  Speaker 4: like it's it is. It has become something more than
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  Speaker 4: just like a reaction video situation. And I think I've
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  Speaker 4: just become more comfortable with myself as I've gotten older.
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  Speaker 4: And also, like I was saying before, I have always
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  Speaker 4: kind of just like been this person, but someone else
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  Speaker 4: was editing me before on the Hills on the City,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like they were editing me to be the
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  Speaker 4: version of a person that they wanted me to be
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  Speaker 4: and now no one's doing that except for like me
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  Speaker 4: and my husband.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so you get to show people the way you
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  Speaker 2: view yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I also felt like really grateful for videos like that
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  Speaker 3: because sometimes your day is just so long you want
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  Speaker 3: to just like tune out and laugh and you know,
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  Speaker 3: so I think those actually hold a lot of meaning
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  Speaker 3: in ways that people don't give them credit for.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, people right into us and sometimes are
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  Speaker 4: like this got me through like you know my chemo,
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  Speaker 4: or like this has gotten me through COVID. You know,
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  Speaker 4: life is so heavy right now. Just to be able
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  Speaker 4: to sit here and laugh and shut my brain off,
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  Speaker 4: like I do believe in that. You know, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people don't think that that's actually healing, but I
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  Speaker 4: think that humor is healing.
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  Speaker 2: I completely agree.
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  Speaker 3: You did an episode of your podcast recently titled an
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  Speaker 3: Emotional Reflection on My Career, and I loved your honesty.
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  Speaker 3: It was so refreshing, and you talked about how your
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  Speaker 3: podcast tests your confidence and you said that you've even
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  Speaker 3: thought about giving it up, which was so interesting because
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  Speaker 3: you have such a huge viewership. Ay, why think about
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  Speaker 3: giving it up? And then be I always think that
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  Speaker 3: things that test our confidence like teach us a lot
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  Speaker 3: about ourselves also, and so what has it taught you
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  Speaker 3: about yourself?
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  Speaker 4: It has so far this year been like the most
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  Speaker 4: rewarding thing ever, Like since I recorded that episode. I
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  Speaker 4: can't even believe the place that I'm in now with
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  Speaker 4: it because I've grown so much through that, and it
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  Speaker 4: has really proven to me that like sticking with those
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  Speaker 4: tough things that get you out of your comfort zone,
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  Speaker 4: like really there can be like the golden nugget at
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  Speaker 4: the end of that like rewarding confidence like that the
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  Speaker 4: whole shower of positivity that you wait for, like it
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  Speaker 4: can't happen. I basically so the podcast for me I
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  Speaker 4: started in twenty eighteen, so now four years ago, and
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  Speaker 4: I started it because I wanted to have obviously open,
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  Speaker 4: real honest conversations with other experts, friends, moms, you know,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera, about like just what our real experiences were
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  Speaker 4: like as women, because I felt like I could just
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  Speaker 4: really get people to talk about that stuff because I
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  Speaker 4: am so open about that stuff. But it became really
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  Speaker 4: hard for me, like it not became I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: think that people underestimate how difficult a podcast can be,
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  Speaker 4: especially when you like have no journalism skills or like
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  Speaker 4: interviewing skills, like I have never had that kind of role,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I've I've been obviously familiar with a camera,
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  Speaker 4: but it's a totally different thing when you're leading a conversation,
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  Speaker 4: dealing with all the tech, promoting it, like prepping for it.
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  Speaker 4: It's obviously, you know, it's a lot, a lot, a lot,
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like I wasn't I just was feeling
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  Speaker 4: so uncomfortable while I was doing it. I felt like
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't able to find my stride and that I
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  Speaker 4: was just like asking questions just to ask them and
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  Speaker 4: not actually really having conversations, and it was making me
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  Speaker 4: feel bad about myself, Like it was making me feel
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  Speaker 4: like I couldn't really hold a good conversation, and I
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  Speaker 4: was I started talking to Paige, whose works at Dear
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  Speaker 4: Media and she's my sister, and told her how I
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  Speaker 4: was feeling, and we started like devising some plans, and
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  Speaker 4: I started also just like tuning into myself and figuring
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  Speaker 4: out what it was I actually wanted to put out there,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And I think that a lot of that
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  Speaker 4: diary stuff that I've been doing this year a lot
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  Speaker 4: of that, just like free flowing thought entry voice journaling
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  Speaker 4: situation has really been, like what you said, refreshing for
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  Speaker 4: people because it's not like heavily edited and it's I
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  Speaker 4: think it just like follows me on a spiral, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that that's something that I feel comfortable with.
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  Speaker 4: And I've realized that when I'm actually doing who I am,
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  Speaker 4: like people are picking up on it and like it's
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  Speaker 4: grown and we had the biggest month ever this past month,
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  Speaker 4: and like I'm just so proud of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's such a cool goverment for us to
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  Speaker 3: here too, because to find a way to work through
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  Speaker 3: something and come back to your alignment is great and
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  Speaker 3: it's cooleos to you for recognizing that it wasn't making
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  Speaker 3: you feel good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I can be a quitter sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Like I self admittedly can give up easily and was
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  Speaker 4: always a kind of student that wanted to take the
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  Speaker 4: easy way out and like not finish things. And so
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  Speaker 4: I am just really really trying, like as I'm growing,
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  Speaker 4: to not be that person anymore, because I've realized that
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: that doesn't deield positive results for me, and then it
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: ends up just making me feel worse about myself.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: So ninety percent of podcasts don't make it past the
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: first ten episodes, no way, which is why it's a
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: wild statistic, and it's it's because of what you said
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: that people don't realize what a big lift it is. Yeah,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: but four years so no matter when you stop, you
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: are definitely not a quitter.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: But thank you, thank you.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I really want to talk about your fashion line. So
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: you said when you unched your first fashion line, Whitney Eve,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: that you quote, weren't mature enough to know how polluted
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the fashion industry was.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, just so interesting.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: So how have you taken that information and incorporated into
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: your new line?
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've had Cozyco for a year and it's
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: actually just right now a year long collaboration. I felt
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: this need for organic loungewear. I felt that I could
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: see the world was moving in that direction and I
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: could see that that's what women were really yearning for.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: And I think, just like what I was talking about,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I really want to design for what makes women feel good.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: And so I did that for a year and it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: been amazing. And you can go to shop cozyco dot
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: com and continue to buy everything. It's like the coziest
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: organic like street to night out loungewear situation. And then
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: been launching another collaboration with Rent Runway. I did a
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: design collaboration with them last year a spring and a
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: fall collection, and we're doing another spring, summer, in fall
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: winter collection and it is so amazing. I'm so excited
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: for everybody to see. It is really just like so
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: reflective of my aesthetic, like easy, breezy, like colorful floral
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: dresses and all that fun like bright, like funky but
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: classic and essential that you think of I feel like
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: when you think of my style. So I'm just really
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: excited for that collaboration to come out.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: That's really cool. I like you Runway so much.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: The founder Jen saw so far ahead of her time
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: with she calls it the Closet and the Cloud.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, so like Rent the run My collaboration with
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Rent the Runway really is what inspired me to start
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Cozy Cooe because Rent the Runway has such a strong
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: emphasis on obviously like bringing fashion to the people in
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: a way that is earth friendly, and I was so
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: inspired by what they were doing that I was like, gosh,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: if I ever make clothes again, like I know that
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I'll have to make it in that kind of way,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: but so it's one of the reasons why. Yeah, I'm
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: so excited to be partnering with them again, just because
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: they have that same sustainable mission, and I think that
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: the way that women are dressing is constantly evolving and changing,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: especially because of social media, especially because of the time
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: that we're in right now, where people are feeling inspired
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: and excited to get out and express themselves through fashion.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: So I am really excited for this collaboration this year.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: It just feels like it's coming at a really great time.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Was there any hesitation with Cozy co or just designing again,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Because I've heard you talk about how much like how
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: much greatness and also how much pain the Whitney eve
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: line brought you. Did you feel any hesitation designing clothes again?
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: For sure? Yeah, I mean, and it was really hard
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: for me to stop doing Whitney for various reasons. Like
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I originally I started it with my family, and so
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: stopping it was was obviously gut wrenching because I had
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: this vision of us growing this business and living happily
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: ever after. But then also, like I knew the fashion
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: industry it's just it's so cyclical and it's so opinion
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: based that it's so hard to stay relevant. And I
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: was like, gosh, will I ever get into this again?
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know. And then when I went into it
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the second time, when I thought about this idea, I
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: was like, should I really do this? Like I remember
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: how you felt before, and I was like, you know what, Whitney,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: this is your passion. You need to just learn from
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: your experience before and use those lessons to move forward,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: and like, don't let the fear stop you. Basically, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: like I just I loved it so much I couldn't
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: stop myself from doing it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that your dad was in fashion too,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: and I'm wondering if there's anything that he said that
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: like rings in your mind over and over again when
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: you approach either fashion or business.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I think what The first thing that
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: comes to mind is probably just his effort to always
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: honor relationships, Like my dad was just such a friendly guy,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: and even if he was on a work call, he
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: was he made it personal somehow, Like everybody just knew
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: and loved my dad as a businessman and as a friend.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: And so I learned from him how important relationships are
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: in business and honoring those relationships, and like also when
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: going into business opportunities, really evaluating the people that you're
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: going to be doing it with. Because people like to
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: say like business isn't personal, but I think when going
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: into business with someone and working with people closely, it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: very important that you take the time to think about
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: how your energies align.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I look at your career, I think what
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: a ride. Obviously you're still on it and building it,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: but I'm wondering in your quiet moments if you ever think,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: like why meet like they sort of picked you out
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: of oblivion.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine what that looks like for sure.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I mean I think a lot of times I think, like,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: what would I be doing if I if I weren't
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: doing this, like if the whole TV thing didn't happen,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: And the thing that comes to my mind for us
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: is like I'd probably be a stylist in some way
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: and definitely help grow I think like style women in
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: a large way. But yes, I definitely feel it feels
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: weird because I just I went up to teen Vogue
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: when I was working at Women's where Daily. I had
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: heard that teen Vogue was interviewing for interns, and so
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I went up to interview, and I had no idea
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: about the show. Obviously, I ended up doing a casting
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: tape for them, like not knowing what it was I
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: was getting myself into. And I always wonder what the
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: producers were thinking when they watched that casting tape, like
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: what was it in me that they thought was going
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to make for like a good reality TV person? Because
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: in my eyes, like I never yeah, like I never
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: thought of myself as someone that would be good on TV.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: And I still don't, Like, have you ever asked them?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I haven't?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I should?
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I should? I think I assumed that it was probably
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: just because of like how expressive I am, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: like you can just you can read me, and I'm like, yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I'm just like very facially and expressive. But I definitely
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: should send it of techs Adam develop after this and
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: ask him.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: If you will you report back? Will you love me? Yeah?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: For sure? Fascinating.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is funny, it's yeah, because like it's it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: different than acting, like acting, you will kind of understand
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: like why someone would get the part. But it's like
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I wonder what, Yeah, what it was in me that
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: you thought was like the sauce, the you know, the
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: ingredient and the sauce that is going to make it
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: really tasty. I don't know. Yeah, would you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Go back and do anything differently?
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the only thing I would do well,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: probably not only, But one of the things is I
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: wish that I would have kept a journal. Like I
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: wish that I would have like really been able to
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: like record some more of what was going on at
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: that time. Like we didn't have iPhones, there wasn't this
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: you know, storage of content or places to share it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: So I really wish that I like had just taken
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: the time to actually, you know, commemorate what was going
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: on in my life. I don't think at the time
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I realized how big of a deal it was, like
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I was, I was like, eh, whatever, you know, Like
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I just I think that was like my way of
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: trying to stay humble, like not making it a big deal.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: But other than that, the only other thing that I
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: would say it probably wouldn't do as much was it
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: maybe enjoy the process a little more. Like filming the
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: reality show for me was kind of I don't want
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: to say painful, but I really didn't enjoy it. It
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: just it became more of a job because like I
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: was always just so worried about how I was going
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: to be edited that I felt like I was constantly
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: fighting with the producers before scenes about like like what
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I would how they were going to make me look
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: if I said it this way and I don't want
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: to say it like that and this, you know, Like
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I just felt like I was constantly in this battle
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: with them of like how I was going to be portrayed.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: And I just wish I would have let's go of
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: out a little bit more and just like had a
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: little bit more fun with it, you know.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But that's pretty.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Much it nothing like nothing big, big.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's hard in the moment.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I feel that so much in my career in my twenties,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and I try and approach things differently now because you're
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: just you're more I was more intense.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know, yeah, I think more intense, and like
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: you're just not really taught about being mindful, you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: you're just like go, go, go, like let's do this,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: let's have fun, like let's work hard. It's just like
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: you're kind of on this road with like blinders on
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: to the side, and then like I think, you get
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: into your thirties and you start to see the world
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: around you a little bit more like it's not just
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: about you anymore.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I want to do a little rapid fighter
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: with you before we close.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you met your husband on a city.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's one thing you wish someone would have told
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: you about marriage?
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I would say that I think there's nothing right now
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: that's like so surprising to me that's happening in marriage
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: that I'm like, oh my god, I wish someone told
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: me about about this, But which is so I feel
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: lucky for that because I feel like it's going pretty well.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: But I do think that, like it's very very important
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: to make sure that your styles of communicating are aligned
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: and that you guys are really really focused and committed
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: to like hearing each other and also being open to change.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people like think that, like, Okay,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: they married me, and like they know what they know
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: who I am, And it's like I think that you
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: really have to take a good look at yourself and
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: be open to like changing things and not being so
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: set in your ways. Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually never heard anyone say that that's really nice.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, a wellness trend that's worth the hype meditation style
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: investment we should all make in twenty twenty two.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I think that like a really great structured, like interesting
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: tailored jacket is something that is just like so I
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: think that it's something you can wear so many different
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: ways obviously, and it's something that just like stand the
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: tests of time. Like I wish I still had my
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: mom's blazers, you know, so, yeah, I love like I
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: just recently got this amazing blazer from Acne that's like
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: a camel color and it kind of has a broad
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: shoulder and it's a little bit more sentient the way.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: So just like an interesting shaped blazer.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: That's cool something you wish people could see about you
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: that they don't see it first Gleams.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I'm really warm and that like
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I like to be like cuddly and affectionate.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: What's been your most memorable meal?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Always my most memorable meal and always my favorite meal,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: and the meal that I always say that I would
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: like before I die is a rotisserie chicken basket from
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: the Brentwood Country Mart. It's not even something my mom made,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: which I feel really guilty about.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: If it were something my mom made, it would be
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: her brisket with veggies and roasted potatoes. But I just
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: I freaking love ready chick and the chick, the chicken basket.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: It just also takes me back to my childhood. I've
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: been eating it my entire life, and just like where
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I get it is the same and how it tastes
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: and it just like it's so nostalgic for me.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: It's juicy and delicious. I'm with you.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a book that you've read that changed your life
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: or something you think everyone should read.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Literally a book that I just read
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: called Crying in h Mart. It's a really really beautiful book,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: a memoir. I think her name is Michelle's honor, I
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: want to say, but for as someone who lost their father,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: it was just cathartic to hear someone write about a
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: similar story in just such a beautiful way, and it
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: really touched me, and so I highly recommend it if
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: anybody wants a good cry and also just loves creative writing.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard of that. Thank you for sharing.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so we do a pretty smart question just
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: let me know when to stop. Okay, stop, okay, oh okay,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: this is an Oprah question.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: What do you know for sure?
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: What do I know for sure? The one thing that
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I know for sure is that there is deep, deep,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: like never ending love with my husband and my child,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: and that as long as that remains, which I know
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: it will, that everything will be Okay.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: That's really beautiful. Last question, whatever comes to your mind.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: The smartest decision you've ever made.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: To marry my husband? I really think so. I would say.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: The other thing, which was really gut wrenching but changed
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: me in a way I didn't know could was actually
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: closing the doors of Whitney Eve and going out on
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: my own and figuring out who I was beyond what
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: everyone else's expectations were for me.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: That's huge. Yeah, Whitney, thank you so much for your time.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I really my gosh, my pleasure.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: All Right, today's a good day. To have a good day.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I'll see you next week.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Shut the bre