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The Bolt Report | 26 October · The Bolt Report

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Better too late than never. It's when a politician is
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: mown down in this new culture of hate, it's then
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: that culture finally becomes the biggest issue in politics. Last week,
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: Federal Independent MP Helen Haynes flossed her legs when a
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: man allegedly ran his four-wheel drive into her at least twice.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: And today Parliament paid tribute to her before cancelling a
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: lot of its usual business. And that's what happens when
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: a politician gets hurt and seriously hurt. But what of
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: ordinary Australians? For years, they have been terrified and hurt
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: and even killed in this culture. You've had shop assistants
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  Speaker 1: getting smashed, hundreds of shops being firebombed by organised crime,
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  Speaker 1: two more on the weekend. Shoppers in malls being terrified.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's the home invasions.
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  Speaker 1: And last week in Melbourne, a car was even shot
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  Speaker 1: up in a road rage incident. Last year, two police
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: were murdered by a supposed sovereign citizen. Last Friday, three
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  Speaker 1: men and an innocent teenage girl were shot by gunmen
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  Speaker 1: spraying bullets into a crowd outside a Brisbane boxing event.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, in December, 15 people were shot dead
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  Speaker 1: in an Islamist attack on a Jewish festival at Bondi Beach.
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  Speaker 1: So why hasn't this culture of hate been terrifying politicians?
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  Speaker 1: Not just this month, not last December, but for years. Still,
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: now a politician is hurt and cruelly hurt. Politicians today
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  Speaker 1: stopped work from the shock. And now they're demanding a
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  Speaker 1: kinder culture.
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  Speaker 2: Only now?
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  Speaker 1: More the political opportunism today. Politicians, and not just them,
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  Speaker 1: using this disgusting attack on Helen Haynes to play politics.
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  Speaker 1: Now from the start, some in Labor and the ABC
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: have used this attack to smear One Nation. Now I've
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this before, like Federal Labor MP Mike Freeland of Raging,
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  Speaker 1: it has to stop, particularly the disparaging and hateful rhetoric
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  Speaker 1: from French parties like One Nation, and ABC host Raph Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: wondering aloud if blame could indeed be pinned on One Nation.
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  Speaker 3: Does One Nation play a role in amplifying any dangerous rhetoric?
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday, the ABC tried again, setting up Australian Federal Police
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: Commissioner Chrissie Barrett. She was asked on Insiders about a
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Yahoo News report revealing another nasty One Nation cartoon, this
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  Speaker 1: time two years ago, fantasising about running down former Victorian
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: Premier Daniel Andrews and the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: I got away with it all.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Bluey!
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  Speaker 2: Thank goodness!
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  Speaker 4: He was completely out of control, right?
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  Speaker 2: Reverse?
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  Speaker 5: No, he hates all labour.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no, Bluey!
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  Speaker 1: That was after reports of Daniel Andrews' car hitting a cyclist.
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  Speaker 1: But still, One Nation even fantasised about running over race-baiting
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  Speaker 1: Senator Lydia Thorpe.
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  Speaker 4: Lydia, get out of the way.
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  Speaker 7: No!
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  Speaker 4: How did you get Lydia to move out of the way?
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  Speaker 1: Who? That was years before Haynes was attacked. But once again,
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  Speaker 1: this was an excuse to link One Nation to the
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  Speaker 1: attack on Haynes when Commissioner Barrett was trying to point
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  Speaker 1: out what a personal experience of federal police statistics showed,
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  Speaker 1: that any, any nasty political debate of any kind tended
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  Speaker 1: to be followed by vicious abuse of politicians and threats
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  Speaker 1: to them.
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  Speaker 8: What about the tone of political discourse? We're obviously very
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  Speaker 8: focused on it, we've been talking about it. What's your
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  Speaker 8: perspective here? Does the language our politicians use influence this
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  Speaker 8: sort of hate and violence?
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  Speaker 9: It does have a direct correlation to what we see
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  Speaker 9: in terms of threats and abuse and sometimes it's very immediate.
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  Speaker 8: The things like a cartoon that suggests someone should be
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  Speaker 8: hit by a car or something like that, does that
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  Speaker 8: have a direct link? Is that what you're talking about?
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  Speaker 9: We do see examples where there are particular announcements or,
• 4:30
  Speaker 9: you know, things like you've just described. There is a
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  Speaker 9: reaction amongst the community.
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  Speaker 8: So you think politicians should be dialling it down?
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  Speaker 9: Again, I'm not here to tell politicians how to do
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  Speaker 9: their job, and they have, you know, a very important
• 4:42
  Speaker 9: job to do. I'm here to describe what we see.
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  Speaker 1: Heard in the full context, Barrett herself did not first
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  Speaker 1: raise One Nation cartoon or blame it for the attack
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  Speaker 1: on Haynes. She agreed only with a general proposition put
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  Speaker 1: to her that, yes, things like that, not necessarily like
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  Speaker 1: that clip itself, not necessarily that clip, added to the
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  Speaker 1: abuse that politicians get. And who in their right mind
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  Speaker 1: really could disagree with that? But why did the ABC
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  Speaker 1: push for her to attack those One Nation cartoons specifically,
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: of all the hate speech that's out there? Now, it
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  Speaker 1: is true, and I've said it before, One Nation is
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  Speaker 1: trashing its brand with its vicious cartoon. It should stop
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  Speaker 1: with the stupid stunts and get serious. But that has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the attack.
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  Speaker 2: On Helen Haynes. The idea is idiotic.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the man charged with running Haynes down is,
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  Speaker 1: we've heard, mentally disturbed. Neighbours have said he'd acted erratically
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  Speaker 1: and had threatened them and acted strange, had raged at
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  Speaker 1: his father, refused to speak to him, even through an
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  Speaker 1: appointed intermediary. And Haynes, the woman who ran down, was
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: actually a friend of his father and stepmother. And what's more,
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  Speaker 1: the guy was a One Nation hater who was a
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  Speaker 1: global warming fanatic, so why would he then run down
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  Speaker 1: a One Nation opponent who also fought against global warming?
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  Speaker 1: Makes no sense because of a One Nation cartoon that
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you never saw. So why are the ABCs
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  Speaker 1: focused on these cartoons and One Nation? Why, when the
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  Speaker 1: biggest preachers of hatred, violence and physical confrontation are on
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: the left? They're not on the right at all. Now,
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  Speaker 1: just this weekend, Victoria's emergency services minister proved that when
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  Speaker 1: he found someone had followed him and put a bullet
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  Speaker 1: on his car with the word rat scratched on it
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  Speaker 1: and his old firefighter ID number. Who would know that?
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: And he blamed the hard left firefighters union for its
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  Speaker 1: incitement to hate.
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  Speaker 10: You can't stir up members and tell them so many
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  Speaker 10: untruths and expect things like this not to happen.
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  Speaker 5: Um, We want to give firefighters a pay rise. And
• 7:02
  Speaker 5: there's only one issue here, and that is that we
• 7:04
  Speaker 5: won't sign off on a slush fund for the union.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you more examples. The Marxist Socialist Alternative organises confrontations,
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  Speaker 1: physical really, against One Nation and Pauline Hanson, which so
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  Speaker 1: far have included protesters filmed calling for their death, like
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  Speaker 1: this one.
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  Speaker 4: Die, Nazi scum!
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  Speaker 9: Shame, Pauline! Shame!
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  Speaker 4: Death to Australia! Death to our nation!
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  Speaker 2: Nope, not arrested.
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  Speaker 1: Hard-left groups also staged violent protests at a Melbourne weapons expo,
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  Speaker 1: attacking police and attacking people just trying to get in.
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  Speaker 1: Another hard-left group associated with the socialist alternative attacked police
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  Speaker 1: with these rocks at a Melbourne protest. A former volunteer
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: for the far-left GetUp told a parliamentary inquiry... GetUp had
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  Speaker 1: trained him for the purpose of deliberately interrupting liberal political candidates' visits,
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  Speaker 1: where security, he said, was not tight and maximum disruption
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: and embarrassment to the candidate could be caused, as well
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: as shirt-fronting the candidate in front of the press and
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: physically blocking the Liberal Party's candidate's walk while yelling abuse
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: at the candidate. Hard left influencer Hannah Ferguson only recently
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  Speaker 1: justified some political violence, writing, Is violence sometimes necessary?
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: Answer? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And hard left pro-Palestine activist Grace Tame called for the
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  Speaker 1: Interfather you now see in Palestine or in Gaza from
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: Palestinians fighting Israel and apparently if you ask Tame, it
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  Speaker 1: should be brought here.
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  Speaker 6: From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the Interfather!
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  Speaker 1: I could show you so much more footage of political
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  Speaker 1: violence by the Australian left. I could fill up the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the show with it, I'm sure. And it
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: could also show Labor Prime Minister forced by an anti-Australia
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: Day mob to flee for her safety, Julia Gillard. So
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  Speaker 1: why is all this, another One Nation cartoon from two
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  Speaker 1: years ago, the issue? How is this not an urgent
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  Speaker 1: topic that it's the left that's become a menace to
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  Speaker 1: our safety? some parts even joining forces with other groups
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  Speaker 1: that celebrate political violence, like militant Muslim groups. Listen to
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  Speaker 1: this socialist alternative member giving evidence this year to the
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  Speaker 1: Royal Commission into Anti-Semitism, refusing to condemn Hamas terrorists.
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  Speaker 11: I don't hold movements for the justice of the oppressed to.
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  Speaker 4: A standard that says there can never be any violence.
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  Speaker 2: And there's the ABC, and some in Labor.
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  Speaker 1: Worried about one nation, while outside their studios and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: even in them are leftists screaming for interference. defending political violence,
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  Speaker 1: calling for death for Pauline Hanson, attacking police, attacking Jews,
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  Speaker 1: attacking journalists like me, attacking conservatives and now allegedly running
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  Speaker 1: down a politician. Ellen Haynes, how can the ABC and
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  Speaker 1: Labor be so blind to all that and so silent
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  Speaker 1: and so, so outraged by a One Nation cartoon instead. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm also disgusted by politicians today misusing the brutal attack
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  Speaker 1: on Helen Haynes to push their pet policies. We were
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  Speaker 1: talking about an attack which I showed was... Well, no-one
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  Speaker 1: knows the motive at all yet. All we know, as
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  Speaker 1: I said, is that the alleged attacker, a left-winger, mentally ill,
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: acting erratically, yelling even at his father. And he runs down, allegedly,
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: the friend of his father and mother-in-law. Well, look, it
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: could be political. It could be personal. It could be
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  Speaker 1: something triggered by some delusion or derangement.
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  Speaker 2: No one knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yet today you had Labor Minister Tanya Plibersek, the Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister too, by the way, but Labor Minister Tanya Plibersek
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  Speaker 1: blaming social media. Very convenient because the government is just
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  Speaker 1: pushing through this controversial digital duty of care bill.
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  Speaker 11: I think the industrial scale of the abuse that all
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  Speaker 11: of us receive, but I think particularly the women here receive,
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  Speaker 11: that has changed. It's been supercharged by social media. We
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  Speaker 11: have an opportunity, all of us as elected members, as
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  Speaker 11: a collective, as a parliament, to resist the pernicious influence
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  Speaker 11: of social media.
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  Speaker 2: But no one.
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  Speaker 1: No one was worse today than Greens leader David Shoebridge,
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  Speaker 1: who said, look, it is, yes, terrible for politicians to
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  Speaker 1: impose agendas on this tragedy. And then immediately himself said
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  Speaker 1: how politicians had to change, for one, by abusing Israel.
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  Speaker 10: Politics needs to not spin off into virulent personal attacks.
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  Speaker 10: but actually address the real material needs that are happening
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  Speaker 10: across this country and across the world. And I have
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  Speaker 10: seen language from politicians that are deeply dehumanising of migrants,
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  Speaker 10: deeply dehumanising of people because of their religion, deeply dehumanising.
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  Speaker 10: If there is a genocide occurring, you need to do
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  Speaker 10: everything you can to stop a genocide.
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  Speaker 1: Shoebridge somehow links the shocking attack on Helen Haynes to.
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  Speaker 2: People, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, criticising Islam and the war in Gaza, which Shoebridge
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  Speaker 1: lies is actually a genocide. And in that way, his
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: inflaming hatred of Israel and of Jews with that lie.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me is Michael Kroger, former president of the Victorian Liberals,
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  Speaker 1: and Stephen Conroy, former Labor senator and cabinet minister. Michael Kroger,
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  Speaker 1: why this rush to link agendas like the Greens' anti-Israel
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  Speaker 1: one to a horrific attack like this when absolutely nobody
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  Speaker 1: yet knows the motives or the causes?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's absolutely right, Andrew. But the Greens will take
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  Speaker 5: every opportunity to spew forth this anti-Israel, anti-Jewish rhetoric. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: in all seriousness, in all of the circumstances involving this
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  Speaker 5: tragedy involving Helen Haynes, this clown has to invoke the
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  Speaker 5: Middle East. I mean, but, you know, people thought this
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  Speaker 5: guy might be a better Greens leader, a more moderate
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  Speaker 5: Greens leader, a more sensible Greens leader. No, he's way
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  Speaker 5: to the extreme left. This guy is right beyond Adam Bandt.
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  Speaker 5: And for that reason, let's hope they don't do well
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  Speaker 5: in the forthcoming Victorian election and let's hope their vote
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  Speaker 5: continues to recede federally because this is the type of
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  Speaker 5: rhetoric we do not want in this country today, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen, Michael is right.
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  Speaker 1: I read all those pieces saying this is a, a
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  Speaker 1: moderate Green, this is someone the government can do business with,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: this is a pragmatic guy, and then he says something
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: That took my breath away.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I didn't share anyone's optimism that Shoebridge was
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: going to be some sort of moderate, workable, doing deals
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: with his history, his background inside the Greens, never gave
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: me any hope at all that they'd have a more.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Reasonable centrist approach. approach.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: I did take issue with you, Andrew, over Tanya's comments.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she was in any way trying to
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  Speaker 3: draw the digital safety issues from the bill into this.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: I think you yourself have tragically and unfortunately been attacked
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: in the street. I've never forgotten those images. And the
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: temperatures going up through the echo chambers of social media,
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  Speaker 3: pushing algorithms, pushing material down people's throats. So I don't
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: agree with you that Tanya was trying to link a
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  Speaker 3: political objective. I think she was just stating a fact
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: that particularly female MPs are targeted more and more viciously.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even.
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  Speaker 3: Nicole, who was on Peter's program, has identified the sort
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  Speaker 3: of vilification. All of that comes to the hard left,
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  Speaker 3: particularly in Victoria, have always had a vicious and thuggish
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: approach to their politics. They've tragically, you could go back,
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  Speaker 3: as you said, over 20 or 30 years and show
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  Speaker 3: incidences where the so-called, you know, left, hard left have
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  Speaker 3: committed these sorts of thuggish acts. It's just a tragedy
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria that it's been like that. But it has
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: unfortunately been like that for many, many years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why isn't that the issue?
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  Speaker 1: Why is there no talk in Parliament, we've got to
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  Speaker 1: control the left, the socialist alternative?
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  Speaker 2: Is it a terrorist outfit? I don't know.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should talk about that. How about the education?
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  Speaker 1: I never blamed my attackers, the internet for my attackers.
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  Speaker 1: They're just idiots who do not know that socialism has
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  Speaker 1: never worked. anywhere that they can look at the sort
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  Speaker 1: of socialism they advocate. And their tactics that promote it
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  Speaker 1: here are anti-democratic. I thought it was their ignorance and
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  Speaker 1: their yen for violence, not the internet.
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  Speaker 2: That should be a topic here. But it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Michael, the Albanese government is, meanwhile, falling to record lows
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  Speaker 1: in the polls.
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  Speaker 2: It's quite extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen Treasurer Jim Chalmers being lined up as the
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  Speaker 1: scapegoat by some in Labor and Labor-friendly media. And it
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: seems he is feeling that heat from his colleagues, given
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  Speaker 1: this partial apology.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 12: I'm driving some really difficult reforms through the parliament. And
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  Speaker 12: I know that that's playing out, makes life tougher for
• 17:11
  Speaker 12: some of my colleagues in particular. And I do care
• 17:14
  Speaker 12: about that. And I do care about them. I should
• 17:16
  Speaker 12: make more time for my colleagues. I see a lot
• 17:18
  Speaker 12: of them. They come around and talk to me about
• 17:19
  Speaker 12: the economy all the time. I do as much as
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  Speaker 12: I can. But if the message is that I need
• 17:23
  Speaker 12: to do more of that, then I take that message seriously.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: The government's lost some paint.
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  Speaker 12: It's up to other ministers and the Prime Minister's how
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  Speaker 12: they describe their part in that.
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  Speaker 1: I did love the conga line of Labor MPs who
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: came through our studios today saying, oh, Jim is fabulous,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know why he's so hard on himself.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. How much trouble is he in?
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  Speaker 5: You know, Andrew, when Bill Sneddon was being challenged to
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  Speaker 5: the leadership of the Liberal Party in 1974, five people
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  Speaker 5: came to.
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  Speaker 2: asking to resign.
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  Speaker 5: And he said, you know, the problem is I haven't
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: had enough of you fellows in here for a drink.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: I haven't socialised with you enough over the months and years.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you.
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  Speaker 5: So to hear Jim Chalmers say, I need to spend
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  Speaker 5: more time with my colleagues to get these difficult reforms
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  Speaker 5: through Parliament. No, Jim, you need to spend more time revoking,
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  Speaker 5: repealing this legislation. Your colleagues are coming to speak to
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: you about how you've trashed the economy, trashed the budget,
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: trashed the housing market, trashed inflation, interest rates, the long-term debt,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. That's what they're complaining about, Jim.
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  Speaker 5: They're not complaining about how you're not... It's not that they,
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  Speaker 5: you know, feel they're aggrieved because they're not socialising with
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: you enough. You're not having them in for enough drinks.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: So if that's what he thinks, he's completely delusional. How
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: much trouble is he.
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  Speaker 9: In, Andrew?
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  Speaker 5: Look, when Keating resigned from the Hawke government in May 91,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: it was the end of the Hawke government. I don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: think a prime minister can afford to lose his treasurer
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  Speaker 5: without bringing the whole government down. And this government is
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: in enough trouble federally already, despite winning by a huge
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: margin in May last year. So I don't think Chalmers
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: can go unless he voluntarily resigns. And I don't think
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  Speaker 5: he's going to do that because he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 5: be the fall guy for Albanese. So I think they're
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: both on the plank together, arm in arm.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen, because I'm so short of time and I really
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: want to get into this next topic, I'm going to
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: take it as read that you disagree with everything and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers is as safe as houses.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll move to this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the federal Liberals, and this is your
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: chance for a free kick, the federal Liberals have somehow
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: become electable again. I know I said that Angus Staley
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: was a dead man walking, but have they become electable again,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: particularly with one Labor failing and One Nation saying some
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: stupid things? Federally, its voters now close the Labor's. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in Victoria, the News Poll today tips the Liberals to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: win next month's election and buy a lot now. 33%
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: of the primary voted. has, and after preferences, a massive
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: lead of 55% to Labor's 45%. And as I was
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: saying to Labor people at a function it was at.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Liberals at a function it was at yesterday....
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Labor's vote is collapsing by the day, and I expect
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: before Election Day, a landslide. What do you think is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: going on?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's no question that Jess Wilson is
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the hot favourite to win the election. It's always a challenge,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: and I think Michael has said this consistently for many years,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: and I know I think, Andrew, you agree, that electing
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: A fourth term for any political party in any state
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: or federal is always enormously difficult. And I think Ben's
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: trying to change the direction of the government. But there's
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of barnacles. There's a lot of issues. There's
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of baggage for him, which clearly makes Jess
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: the absolute favourite. But all of the polls are roughly
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: now settled in the same rough band. You know, One
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Nation in Victoria, I'm talking, you know, 20, 21, 22. Labor, 24, 25,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: maybe 26. Liberals, 28, 29, 31. So that's... Yeah, it
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: puts Jess in the box seat. But Ben Carroll will keep,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: you know, pushing Labor's messages, talking about the.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Possibilities that he will introduce. Yeah, I know, but, mate, mate,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: it's not just his.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: It's such as it is a fourth term.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It's also a government deeply marred in corruption, blown the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: state's fortunes, got highest unemployment in Australia, made its performance through. Michael,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: out of time, but can you give me a 20-second response?
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Well, we're bankrupt, lawless and corrupt, so no wonder there's
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: a 10% swing in.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: That poll this morning.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: But the record in Victoria, by the way, Andrew, since
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: the Second World War is a 6% swing to the
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Liberal Party. That poll this morning said 10%. If that happens,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Labor will lose 33 of their 56 seats. So I
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: don't know that that will happen. That seems to me
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: to be beyond the pale. 8% two-party preferred swing is
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: probably in the ballpark at the minute, which would just,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: just give Jess Wilson a majority. But a lot can
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: happen in the last two weeks, Andrew, a hell of
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: A lot can happen, but I also think sentiment is
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: shifting and it's all against Labor. It could be even worse.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Michael Kroger, Stephen Conroy, thank you very much to you both.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: After the break, More riots in France over the weekend
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: now spreading to Italy with protesters invading the Colosseum. I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: think we've seen this movie before.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Barbarians again attacking the West through Rome.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Another massive weekend of riots in France on the weekend,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: although the crowds were down on the week before and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the damage was less, which perhaps is no wonder. Now
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: that 70,000 police and gendarmes were deployed this time against them,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: backed up by the army.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But Italy was again invaded by barbarians.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Who this time, once more, broke into Rome's Colosseum before
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they were beaten off. Now, once again, like the last time,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: what was it in the 5th century? Italy's civilisation is
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: under attack by the untutored hordes. Again, many rioters last
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: weekend in France were a Muslim background, but the organisers
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and a lot of the people on the streets were
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: clearly of the hard left. In fact, two politicians from
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: France's hard-left Ensemble Soumise party even confronted police physically. Joining
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: me is the country's top foreign affairs writer, Greg Sheridan
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of The Australian. Greg, These riots are destroying France, especially
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the tourism industry in Paris. The city of love is
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: now being advertised as the city of hate.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Where is this going? Well, Andrew, it's great to be
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: It's a very distressing story and it's becoming a Europe
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: wide story. It is the collapse of the European model,
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: the collapse of European social democracy. Your right to identify
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: the hard left and the Islamists. This is a very
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: deliberate action. of the so-called Red Green Alliance, who are
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: united in their common hatred of French society and the
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: West generally. The West generally is now reaping the consequence
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: of letting the hard left control the education system for
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: the last.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: 40 or 50 years.
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: French students are ignorant of their own history and in
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: so far as they know anything about it, they think
• 24:39
  Speaker 13: France is colonialist, racist, oppressive and wicked. They also have
• 24:43
  Speaker 13: no idea how the economy works. in the melange of
• 24:46
  Speaker 13: mad causes and everything they were demonstrating about last week,
• 24:49
  Speaker 13: they wanted more money for the Louvre Museum. Well, that's
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: a good cause, I suppose, but they've no idea where
• 24:56
  Speaker 13: the money is coming from or anything. The French state
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: can no longer spend money on this crisis as it
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: used to. Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators are motivated by
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: a hostility to the French state, and there are thousands,
• 25:11
  Speaker 13: tens of thousands of street thugs like the old Nazi,
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: fascist and communist street fighters of the 20s and 30s.
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: So this is a very, very bad moment for France.
• 25:24
  Speaker 13: You hope that it just runs out of steam. There's
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: no sign of any real leadership from President Macron or
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: indeed from anyone else.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Speaking of exactly that, Emmanuel Macron has You know, the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: polls show, I can't think of the last time a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: French president had polls this slow.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: He is despised.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: On Friday, it just made it even worse, Greg, with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: his bizarre reaction to a white man allegedly and randomly
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: machine gunning black people, killing one, wounding five, including a
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: 12-year-old girl in what police said seemed a terrorist attack.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: But then Macron said this.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Because it is the first time there has been a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: planned terrorist act to kill our compatriots, our children, on
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the basis of their skin color or the religion attributed
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: The first time anyone killed someone in France on the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: basis of race or religion. We've had jihadists, Muslim jihadists,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: murdering a priest in his church. Worshippers in another Catholic
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: church also murdered by Muslim jihadists.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I think three.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Jews in a kosher deli, gunned down. Jewish children in
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a school, gunned.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Down and more. How on earth could Macron have forgotten
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: all that?
• 26:40
  Speaker 13: Well, I think it just shows what a hollow, superficial
• 26:43
  Speaker 13: figure Macron really is. I mean, what has this presidency
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: added up to? beyond sort of, you know, fading movie
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: star good looks and ready patter. I mean, obviously, a
• 26:57
  Speaker 13: white person shooting black people is a shocking, terrible act
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: of racist terrorism, rightly to be condemned. But to suggest
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: that it's the first time anyone has been attacked on
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: the basis of their race or religion.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Is just bananas.
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: I mean, as you say, all those instances of Islamist
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: terror directed against Jews, directed against Christians, directed against innocent
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: French civilians. A lot of that was on the basis
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: of religion and race. So that's what I mean about
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: this absolute lack of leadership. I mean, Marine Le Pen
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: is doing very well because on the immigration stuff, she
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: speaks hard truths. My worry, though, is that even the
• 27:39
  Speaker 13: people on the right who want to crack down on
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: immigration and so on, they're not willing to tell the
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: French people the truth about the budgetary situation. So, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: different players will tell different bits of the truth, but
• 27:50
  Speaker 13: there's no Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Bob Hawke, who's going
• 27:55
  Speaker 13: to tell.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Them the whole bad news.
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: You know, it's bad news on all fronts and they're
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: going to have to tighten their belts and behave themselves
• 28:05
  Speaker 13: for a good few years to get out of it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Mind you, the same could be true here. So many
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: people have become, you know, got used to the welfare
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: in Europe and Australia that it's, now almost impossible for
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: any party seeking election as government to tell the truth,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that the benefits must stop, must be cut back. Greg,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a world history-changing poll tomorrow, potentially. Israel is going to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the polls. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing government
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: could be in trouble here. What's at stake? What could change?
• 28:38
  Speaker 13: Well, Andrew, oddly enough... I don't think much is going
• 28:40
  Speaker 13: to change. If he loses to Gabby Escalon, the main
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: opposition leader, former head of the Israel Defence Force, the
• 28:50
  Speaker 13: polarising figure of Netanyahu will be gone. But Israel's key
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: policies on most things won't change. The opposition, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 13: the things that the progressive left, the Albanese government and
• 29:03
  Speaker 13: all the others, hate Israel for are things which Israel
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: really has no choice about. It has to take continuing
• 29:11
  Speaker 13: action in Gaza to prevent a Hamas recurrence. It has
• 29:14
  Speaker 13: to take continuing action in Lebanon to prevent Hezbollah from
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: re-establishing on its border. Any Israeli government is going to
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: go with the Americans, whichever way they go, on Iran.
• 29:25
  Speaker 13: The one thing Eisencott is different from Netanyahu on, which
• 29:28
  Speaker 13: I think is a good thing, is that he will
• 29:32
  Speaker 13: be more vigorous in stopping this tiny minority of illegal
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: settlers who engage in you know, thuggery and violence against
• 29:41
  Speaker 13: Palestinian villages in the West Bank. Now, the Netanyahu government
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: does not endorse this violence, but it hasn't been very
• 29:48
  Speaker 13: vigorous in stopping it. This level of violence is nothing
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: compared to Hamas or anything like that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: But still, it's bad in itself. It's wrong.
• 29:57
  Speaker 13: The Palestinians are innocent victims and it's very bad for
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: Israel's standing. But that's really the only thing that's going
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: to change. Otherwise, Israel is going to be the same.
• 30:07
  Speaker 13: There is no plausible way you could have a Palestinian
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: state in these current circumstances. You'd need 20 years of
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: normalisation and convincing the Israelis that the Palestinian state won't
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: attack them in terrorism or military ways before you could
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: have a Palestinian state. So, you know, the big villain
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: will be gone, Netanyahu, But nothing will really change in
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: Israeli policy.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: No, well, that's the thing.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Well, one thing will change is that people might have
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to confront the fact that their favourite scapegoat, oh, it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: not Israel I'm against, it's just that wicked Netanyahu, they'll
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: have to confront that they don't actually want Israel to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: defend itself. because almost every Israeli thinks it should be defended,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and they're going to find that, you know, just bashing
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Netanyahu solves nothing. Greg Sheridan, thank you so much for
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: your time. After the break, hard-left protesters hijack Remembrance Day.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: It's time to attack Pauline Hanson. Yesterday, I emceed the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Melbourne launch of the book that my colleague Shari Markson
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and Jewish leader Alex Rifkin.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: have written about the Bondi Massacre. It's called Bondi Terror.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: The launch was held in a synagogue, the Caulfield Shul.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Hello to the people there that said they watch every night.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And it finished with our national anthem. And it struck me. Jews,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I've seen quite often, sing our national anthem, fly our
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: flags even at a number of gatherings. But do you
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: hear socialists here sing our national anthem or wave our flag?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Did the pro-Palestine protesters who blocked the Sydney Harbour Bridge
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: sing our anthem or fly the Australian flag? Or did
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: they just fly the Palestinian ones and that Aboriginal one
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: out the front? Do anti-Israel protesters fly our flag or
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: sing our anthem like Jews do?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Or do they damn them?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Here's Nasser Mashni, who heads the Australia-Palestine Advocacy Network. Here
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: he is addressing a Melbourne rally, his right.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: At the back.
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: I'd see the Australian flag and I'd go up to
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: our community and say, look, I know you want to belong.
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: I know you feel that waving the Australian flag might
• 32:22
  Speaker 14: make a racist white person think that you're acceptable.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: But that is the coloniser's flag. It does not belong here.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Joining me are Peter McGoran, former Federal Nationals Minister, and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: News24 host Anika DiGiorgio. Peter, what does it say that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: pro-Israel Australians tend to sing our anthem, but I have
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: not heard pro-Palestine protesters and socialists do the same?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Some might, but I don't hear them. What does that
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: tell you?
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: Well, one sector of the community has great pride and
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: belief in Australia and the other has little or none.
• 33:01
  Speaker 15: The Jewish community, as you well know, Andrew, have been
• 33:04
  Speaker 15: deeply integrated into every aspect of Australian life. commercial, legal, cultural, political,
• 33:12
  Speaker 15: born very much out of the refugee status following the
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: Holocaust and the Second World War, where they are eternally
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: grateful and their children and the next generation are similarly
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: grateful for all that Australia gave them. safety above all else,
• 33:28
  Speaker 15: and then opportunity. Sadly, with mass immigration, we are not
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: getting that same commitment to Australia as a country, as
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: a society. And, in fact, Islam will not allow its
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: believers or adherents to commit to a Western society with
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: its liberalism and its equality with women and so on.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: They will only belong... They will.
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: Only commit to a state... that's under the caliphate. Otherwise,
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: the Qur'an doesn't allow it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Danika, to me, the difference is there are friends of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Western civilisation and there are enemies of civilisation. And you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: can tell by the honour they do or do not
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: give to our national symbols.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: What do you make of it? Absolutely.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: And we are facing a real crisis in this country.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: We have seen our social fractures in the last couple
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: of years, in particular fracture, because of this issue. And
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: I don't think we can just say... You know, it's
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: with people who are the pro-Israel people that you just
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: mentioned before. I think this is broader than that. These
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: people are proud to be Australians. These people want to
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: be Australians. They want to assimilate into our culture. whereas
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: there have been some people we have brought in, welcomed
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: with open arms, who hate our culture, hate the way
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: we live and don't want to assimilate. And it does
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: come down to the fact that, in my view, not
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: all cultures are created equally and there are people whose
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: views are completely incompatible with a Western liberal democracy. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of people out there, Andrew, who
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: simply do not want to face up to this fact.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: They get worried, don't say things like that because you're
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: a racist, you're a bigot. No, when the facts speak
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: for themselves... We are heading towards this mass immigration experiment
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: and we're trying this multicultural pot. And unfortunately, right now,
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: it's not working in this country. We should show pride
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: in this country. We should be able to sing the
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: national anthem or wave the flag. But I do worry
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: about where we are heading to. And a lot of
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: it is driven by mass migration.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Look, I tell you, absolutely true. Interesting.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I asked the audience how many felt safer in Australia
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: today than they did.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And you know, last January when.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: We were saying, oh, we're going to really remember, take
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: some lessons from the Bondo massacre, not one put up
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: their hand that they felt safer. Peter, I warned last week,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I showed protesters selling what they called a Palestinian poppy,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and I did warn last week that protesters would try
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to hijack symbols of Remembrance Day on October 11, when
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: we remember the.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Dead of World War I. And sure enough.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: The Socialist Alternative, through a group that it's helped create,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it's really good at these front groups, is holding another
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: mass protest by students against Pauline Hanson on Remembrance Day. Now,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: it says, oh, no, no, that's a coincidence, but it's
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: not changing the date. Do you think that's fair enough?
• 36:22
  Speaker 15: Well, the puppet masters and the organisers have found themselves
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: some very useful fools, immature, but they don't know the history.
• 36:31
  Speaker 15: There'd barely be a student there who'd know the importance
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: of the 11th of November. God knows they don't get
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: it in many schools and not many teachers themselves would
• 36:41
  Speaker 15: even know. So we have deep roots... problems in our
• 36:46
  Speaker 15: education system. Now, where are their parents on the day?
• 36:49
  Speaker 15: What parent would let your child protest in that way?
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: Are the schools taking disciplinary action? I'm not against protests,
• 36:55
  Speaker 15: of course. And in fact, Andrew, I have to confess,
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: I protested against the Springbok tour because of the apartheid.
• 37:03
  Speaker 15: And I've taken part in a number of farmer-based protests
• 37:06
  Speaker 15: over the years. But they were organised, permitted, and very civil. But, unfortunately,
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: we've got young people who are spoiled. They know nothing
• 37:17
  Speaker 15: about Australia. Democracy, we're only one of 32 functioning democracies
• 37:22
  Speaker 15: in the world, and they take it for granted.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: And they don't know what the socialist alternative policy really
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is and the fact that not one country has successfully
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: implemented what they are fighting for, and they don't believe
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: in democratic change but revolutionary change. like smash everything. Danika,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: what do you think about hijacking Remembrance Day? I don't
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: think that's an accident. They're against the symbols of our society.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Of course they are. Not even one of our most
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: sacred days where we remember those who fought for us
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: and continue to do so. Not even that is safe
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: from this loony tune brigade. And I really despair, Andrew,
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: for this next generation because there's so much brainwashing out
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: there and it does begin in the classrooms. I mean,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: we are seeing kids being taught all sorts of nonsense,
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: whether it be... Gender, gender content, or whether it be
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: when it comes to Aboriginal issues. I mean, you walk
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: into a classroom, you've got to apologise for what? Look
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: at what's happened in university campuses over the last couple
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: of years, brainwashing there on campuses. And this is why
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: culture wars matter, because it is teaching the next generation
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: to hate this country, to hate us, to hate the West.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: And this is where the issues start. We look overseas,
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: for goodness sake. The protests that we're seeing in France
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: and now in Rome that you showed just before, they
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: were meant to be student protests. And look what happens.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: It gets hijacked and now they are out of control.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: That is not what we want to see here. But
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: I truly despair for this next generation. They don't understand.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: And the other point I would make is where are
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: their parents? I know that Georgia Maloney last week said.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: Any parent will be in trouble if their child is
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: found to be taking part in riots like this. Well,
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: good on her for standing her ground and we should
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: have more of that here.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Peter, talking about all this, you know, I think Australians
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: are now desperate for politicians to unite us, to stop,
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  Speaker 1: you know, pushing policies that divide. Greens leader David Shoebridge
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  Speaker 1: learned a loud lesson about that on the weekend when
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  Speaker 1: he went to a protest against the Albanese government planning
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  Speaker 1: to sell off the army historic Victoria barracks and tried
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  Speaker 1: to do that acknowledgement of country that treats non-Aboriginal Australians
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  Speaker 1: as strangers to their own home.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't go well.
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  Speaker 7: I've spoken about the military history and acknowledged the military history.
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  Speaker 2: That's right to do.
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  Speaker 7: But I'm also going to acknowledge the deep history of
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  Speaker 7: this place and the Gadigal history of this place, because
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  Speaker 7: that's important too.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not going to say.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a fundamental thing. Now, what I'm now going to.
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  Speaker 7: Talk about is what's in front of us here today.
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  Speaker 2: How should that tell the Greens, Peter? You can't tell
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  Speaker 2: them anything, Andrew.
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  Speaker 15: It doesn't matter how obvious a rebuttal to your absurd
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  Speaker 15: beliefs a Green presses on. And the thing, Andrew, is,
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  Speaker 15: of course, the Victoria Barracks has been a military functioning
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  Speaker 15: base since 1840. Countless young Australians began their journey from
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  Speaker 15: that site in formation to their deaths or grave injuries.
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  Speaker 15: And so it is hallowed ground. And we're being told
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  Speaker 15: we can't have our hallowed ground, that it's just part
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  Speaker 15: of the amorphous Gadigal country. And where does it stop?
• 40:51
  Speaker 15: The MCG is 173 years old. Flemington Racecourse is 180
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  Speaker 15: years old. Randwick Racecourse is 195 years old. And yet
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  Speaker 15: they all have welcoming ceremonies. At what point in our
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  Speaker 15: history do we just come together and enjoy the event
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  Speaker 15: and the importance of the site?
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  Speaker 1: Danika DiGiorgio, I'm out of time, but I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: hear your final comment on this.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I just think I'm embarrassed for Shoebridge and the
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  Speaker 6: Greens that are continuing to peddle this crap that clearly
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  Speaker 6: nobody wants. Stop dividing us.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely correct. Peter McGoran, Danika DiGiorgio, thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much to you both. And in fact, I
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  Speaker 1: do think you'll see more scenes like that as people
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: get more and more fed up with being divided. After
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the break, have we been too hard on Meghan Markle?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Because there's Stunning allegations now against her father that make
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: her say, see. Shocking news from Britain that might change
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  Speaker 1: how people see Meghan Markle, wife of Prince Harry. In 2019,
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  Speaker 1: a letter was passed on to British police claiming that
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  Speaker 1: her father had hundreds or even thousands of photographs of
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  Speaker 1: children being sexually abusive presented. Some also showing her father allegedly.
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  Speaker 2: With the children.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Thomas Markle says, you know, it's all the fabrication.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, Meghan Markle says, his daughter says, police then
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  Speaker 1: showed her the letter and this is why she broke
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  Speaker 1: contact with her father, would not let her children see them.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't because she was a hard-hearted social climber. Joining
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: me from London is Samara Gill, now host of Unleashed
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: with Samara Gill on News 24, going great guns, look
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: it up, have a look at her, saying what she
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: really thinks. Samara, there are some strange things about this
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  Speaker 1: development and one is why was this letter sent to
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  Speaker 1: British police and not police in the Philippines where Meghan
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  Speaker 1: Markle's father kept the photos where he lived for a
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: while or to the US as a US citizen, so
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  Speaker 1: to Mexico where he's also lived?
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  Speaker 2: And why did.
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  Speaker 1: police allegedly not send this information on to other police?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, it's a really good question, Andrew, and I just
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  Speaker 16: made about a thousand faces there because I think no
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: one really knows what to make of this. Every single
• 43:12
  Speaker 16: day we continue to get new lines from Meghan's side
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  Speaker 16: and then fresh lines from Thomas Markle Jr.
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  Speaker 4: 's side. Now, I knew Thomas Markle Jr. for quite
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  Speaker 4: a while.
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  Speaker 16: We had many discussions over the phone. We FaceTimed while
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  Speaker 16: he was in the Philippines, of course, all in a
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  Speaker 16: journalistic capacity. But it was quite interesting because he was
• 43:31
  Speaker 16: living very closely with his.
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  Speaker 4: Dad over there.
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  Speaker 16: And, you know, they were at the bars drinking, enjoying
• 43:38
  Speaker 16: their time in the Philippines because they were short of money.
• 43:42
  Speaker 16: And now to hear that Thomas Markle Jr. is the
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  Speaker 16: one who obviously went to the police and allegedly found
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  Speaker 16: these horrific photographs and dobbed his father in is a
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  Speaker 16: really crazy turn of events if you knew how close
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  Speaker 16: their relationship was. So in terms of the Met Police letter,
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  Speaker 16: this is really interesting for me because absolutely it paints
• 44:06
  Speaker 16: Meghan in a much more sympathetic light to hear that
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  Speaker 16: She knew about potentially these horrible things her father had done,
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  Speaker 16: and that's why she stayed estranged from him. But it
• 44:17
  Speaker 16: is interesting, at least from the Met Police perspective, why
• 44:21
  Speaker 16: there was a failing here and why her team maybe
• 44:24
  Speaker 16: didn't reach out a couple of months after and say, hey,
• 44:27
  Speaker 16: have you looked into these allegations? Because it seems like
• 44:30
  Speaker 16: now there's going to be an internal investigation into why
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  Speaker 16: nothing was done. But even a letter being sent to
• 44:36
  Speaker 16: the Met Police and not the American authorities.
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  Speaker 4: It all is just, it's really a mess.
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  Speaker 16: And, you know, Meghan has been dragged through the mud
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  Speaker 16: publicly about not having a relationship with her father. Her
• 44:50
  Speaker 16: father is the one who paid for all her school fees,
• 44:53
  Speaker 16: brought her up, really. I mean, they spent a lot
• 44:55
  Speaker 16: of time together in their childhood. He was the primary
• 44:57
  Speaker 16: carer at one stage. And, of course, he wasn't present
• 45:01
  Speaker 16: at the wedding. Amal and George Clooney were. There's the
• 45:04
  Speaker 16: famous line in the Palace Papers where it was reported that,
• 45:08
  Speaker 16: you know, Oprah was asked and George and Amal Clooney
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  Speaker 16: were asked, oh, how do you know Meghan? Oh, we
• 45:13
  Speaker 16: don't know her. This is the first time we've actually
• 45:16
  Speaker 16: ever been here. They were her guests. You know, there
• 45:19
  Speaker 16: was always so much controversy and drama around her estrangement
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  Speaker 16: from her family, and I think this is giving us
• 45:25
  Speaker 16: a little bit of clarity as to why she did
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  Speaker 16: keep that distance. But the whole thing just reeks of...
• 45:32
  Speaker 16: I mean, there's so much we still don't know. As
• 45:35
  Speaker 16: Tom Bower said to me in text message, who's a
• 45:37
  Speaker 16: royal reporter, I can't make my mind up because I
• 45:40
  Speaker 16: don't know what's actually gone on here, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently, you know, in that time, like this... Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: There was footage of Thomas Markle Jr. who stopped him
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: going to the police. So what was that about? You know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: why did he have himself photographed doing it? And why
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: was he, how did he find the phones? He said
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: he was looking in these boxes that had been taped
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: since his father moved to the Philippines more than a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: decade ago or something, looking for a phone for a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: girlfriend or something.
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  Speaker 13: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: A mobile phone that's more than a decade old and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: would it still work?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing's crazy. The King, by the way...
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: is going to visit Commonwealth countries in the Caribbean next month.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And once again, he's got leaders there saying they want
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to talk to him about Britain paying them reparations for slavery,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: even though he has no say in government policy, of course.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Why these demands and on what grounds?
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  Speaker 1: I'm puzzled because people in Britain today, they weren't responsible
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: for slavery... Britain actually ended slavery and not just for Britain.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Britain already sends aid to the Caribbean and no slavers
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  Speaker 1: lived there in more than a century. So what is
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: the grounds here?
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  Speaker 4: There are no grounds, Andrew.
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  Speaker 16: There are no grounds for the Caribbean to be demanding this.
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  Speaker 16: They're absolutely taking the opportunity of Charles Cumming and giving
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  Speaker 16: their area good press to then ask him for these
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  Speaker 16: reparations or sort of demand them. I mean, Charles is
• 47:08
  Speaker 16: a constitutional monarch, firstly. He can't just simply open the
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  Speaker 16: British Treasury and start writing checks.
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  Speaker 4: That's not how it works.
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  Speaker 16: And honestly, no one alive today in Britain, as you said,
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  Speaker 16: is responsible for what happened. And I don't understand why
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  Speaker 16: Britain is the one that constantly gets dragged into these
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  Speaker 16: reparation talks when there are countless other countries that are
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: guilty of enslaving their own people, enslaving those from other countries.
• 47:34
  Speaker 16: There are many African leaders that enslaved Africans. And of course, Britain,
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: which could be seen as the rich uncle, is the
• 47:43
  Speaker 16: one that's always asked to cough up and pay. And
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: I just don't understand it. You know, if campaigners want
• 47:48
  Speaker 16: a financial settlement from Britain, you know, surely the negotiations
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  Speaker 16: should be with the ministers.
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  Speaker 4: And not the king.
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  Speaker 16: And I just think that it's such a misuse of
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  Speaker 16: the time.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know why we keep dragging up this conversation.
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  Speaker 4: The king's not going to budge, in my view.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and particularly when the word slave comes from Slav
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: as in Slavic because of all the people from the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Balkans that the Ottomans, et cetera, and people before them
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: were taking over to what's now Turkey. I don't hear
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: people saying to Turkey, you know, reparations for Serbia, reparations
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  Speaker 1: for Bosnia, reparations for Croatia.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I don't hear that. Why would that be?
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a great question.
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  Speaker 16: Honestly, I mean, they enslaved their own, I guess. That's
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: really what happened there. They never took from any other country,
• 48:42
  Speaker 16: but maybe because those countries are doing okay financially.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: It's always the countries that are not doing.
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  Speaker 16: As well that then start to ask for, you know,
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  Speaker 16: a bit of pocket change and go through the history books.
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  Speaker 4: I just honestly don't think.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Samara, you hit on it right there.
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  Speaker 1: Samara Gill, thank you so much for your time. Coming
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  Speaker 1: up next is Shari Markson.
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  Speaker 2: Good night.