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- Lucas: So there's this moment in Netflix's history that doesn't get talked about enough. January 2020, right before the pandemic, Reed Hastings steps down as CEO and hands the title to Ted Sarandos. Except, he doesn't really leave. He becomes co ceo with Sarandos, and then two years later, they add Greg Peters as a third co ceo. Luna: Three co-CEOs. That sounds like a recipe for chaos. How does that even work in practice? Lucas: It works because Netflix's board spent years building a culture where titles matter less than decision-making authority. And that culture is written down in their famous Culture Memo, which gets updated every few years. The board actually uses it as a governance document, not just a recruiting pitch. Luna: Right, the memo that says 'adequate performance gets a generous severance package.' I remember that line. It's brutal. Lucas: Exactly. And that line is central to how the board approaches succession. They call it the 'keeper test.' Every manager is supposed to ask: if this person told me they were leaving for a similar job at another company, would I fight to keep them? If the answer is no, you let them go. The board applies the same logic to itself. Luna: So the board members themselves are constantly being evaluated on whether they're keepers? Lucas: Yes. Netflix's board does annual peer reviews—every director evaluates every other director. And they're not shy about removing people. In 2012, the board had seven members. By 2020, only three of those original seven were still there. They cycled out people who weren't adding value, even long-tenured directors. Luna: That's unusual. Most boards are full of lifers. I think of Disney's board, which kept Bob Iger around as executive chairman even after he supposedly retired. It created that messy Chapek situation. Lucas: Exactly the comparison I was going to make. Disney's board seemed to prioritize loyalty over candor. They let Iger stay on as chairman while Chapek was CEO, which undermined Chapek from day one. Netflix's board did the opposite. When Hastings wanted to step back, they made him give up the chairman role entirely. He stayed on the board, but not as chair. Luna: So they removed the ambiguity. Hastings couldn't hover. Lucas: Right. And they also chose a structure that matched how the company actually operated. Sarandos had been running content for years. Peters had been running product and technology. Hastings was the strategic visionary. Rather than force a single CEO, the board said, let's formalize what's already working. Three people, each with clear domains. Luna: But doesn't that make it harder for investors to know who's accountable? If something goes wrong, who gets fired? Lucas: That's the question everyone asked when they announced it. And the board's answer was: we'll fire whoever needs to be fired. But more importantly, they'd already built a culture where decisions are made by the person closest to the information, not by the highest title. So if a content deal fails, that's on Sarandos. If the streaming technology breaks, that's on Peters. The board doesn't need a single point of failure because they trust the process. Luna: It helps that the board itself is pretty unconventional. I looked at their current board—only one other media executive, Jay Hoag from Technology Crossover Ventures. The rest are from tech, finance, even academia. Reed Hastings is the only founder. Lucas: That's deliberate. The board doesn't want media insiders who'll nod along. They want people who'll challenge assumptions. Lesley Kilgore, a former antitrust attorney. Ann Mather, a former CFO. Richard Barton, founder of Expedia and Zillow. These are people who've built scalable businesses, not just run studios. Luna: And they meet frequently. I read that the board met 11 times in 2023, plus multiple informal dinners. That's a lot of face time for a board that's supposed to be hands-off. Lucas: It's hands-off on operations, but hands-on on strategy. They're not approving every TV show, but they are debating things like: should Netflix get into live sports? Should they build a gaming division? Those big bets come to the board early. And because the directors have deep domain expertise, they can actually add value. Luna: So what's the concrete lesson here for a company that wants to fix its boardroom culture? Say I'm on a mid-size tech company's board. What do I steal from Netflix? Lucas: Three things. One: do annual peer reviews of directors, and actually act on the results. Two: write down your culture principles and use them as a governance tool—not just a poster on the wall. Three: when you plan succession, pick a structure that fits how the company already works, not what the org chart says. Luna: The third one is the hardest. Most companies design an ideal org structure and then try to fit people into boxes. Netflix did the opposite: they looked at what their leaders were already good at and built the boxes around them. Lucas: And they were willing to be weird about it. Three co-CEOs is weird. Letting the founder step down but stay on the board is weird. Paying directors in cash instead of stock is weird. But it works because the board isn't trying to look like every other board. Luna: Speaking of looking like every other board—one thing that stood out to me is that Netflix's board is relatively small. Seven directors. Most public companies have ten or eleven. A smaller board means fewer egos to manage and faster decisions. Lucas: And they don't pad it with celebrity directors or politicians. Every director has a specific reason to be there. If you can't articulate why someone belongs on the board, they probably don't. Luna: That's a good filter. I think a lot of boards accumulate people over time—friends of the CEO, former regulators, retired executives who used to run similar companies. But Netflix's board treats itself as a high-performance team, not a club. Lucas: And that high-performance mindset extends to how they handle the CEO role itself. When Hastings first stepped down as CEO in 2020, he didn't just hand the reins to Sarandos. He said, 'I'm going to focus on being executive chairman for a while.' But then, two years later, he gave up that role too. The board didn't force him out—he just decided it was time. Luna: That's rare. Most founders cling to power. Bezos is still executive chairman at Amazon. Zuckerberg controls Meta through super-voting shares. Hastings voluntarily gave up control. Lucas: Part of that is personality. Hastings has said he gets bored easily. He wanted to focus on philanthropy and education. But part of it is also the board's culture of candor. If Hastings had overstayed his welcome, the board would have told him. And he knew that. Luna: So the board created an environment where the founder felt safe to let go. That's not something you can mandate. It has to be built over years. Lucas: Exactly. And that's why we're talking about this today. Succession isn't a one-time event. It's a process that starts years before the transition actually happens. Netflix's board started working on this in the early 2010s, when Hastings was still in his forties. They didn't wait until he was ready to retire. Luna: I think a lot of listeners will hear that and think, 'My board isn't even thinking about succession until the CEO announces they're leaving.' And by then, it's too late. Lucas: Yeah, you end up with a rushed search, an internal candidate who may not be ready, or an external hire who doesn't fit the culture. We've seen that play out at Uber, at WeWork, at Disney. Netflix avoided all of that by planning ahead and being honest about what they needed. Luna: One other thing I want to mention: the board's role in talent retention. Netflix is famous for paying top of market, but they also have a policy of 'no vesting.' That means all your equity vests monthly, not over four years. So you can leave at any time without leaving money on the table. That forces the company to retain you through culture and impact, not golden handcuffs. Lucas: And the board fully supports that policy. It's risky—you could lose key people overnight. But it also means the people who stay are truly committed. The board sees that as a feature, not a bug. Luna: It's a fascinating case study. And honestly, episodes like this are exactly why we keep doing this show. We get to dig into the mechanics of how great companies actually run. Lucas: Quick honest thing—a handful of listeners chip in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, and that's literally what funds making this many of these. No ads, no sponsors, just people who find value in the conversations. Luna: Yeah, it's a small group, but it makes a big difference. If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, that's the link. Lucas: Back to Netflix. One final observation: their board actually publishes a detailed proxy statement every year that explains their director evaluation process. Most companies hide that stuff in boilerplate. Netflix treats it as a transparency tool. Luna: So any investor can read exactly how the board holds itself accountable. That's rare. Lucas: And it's a signal. If a company won't tell you how its board evaluates itself, that's a red flag. Netflix's board says, here's our process, judge for yourself. That kind of openness builds trust. Luna: I think that's a good note to end on. Trust isn't built in a crisis. It's built in the years before, through consistent, boring good governance. Lucas: And that's the real lesson from Netflix's boardroom. Not the flashy culture memo, not the three co-CEOs. It's the willingness to do the unglamorous work of evaluating yourself honestly, planning for a future without you, and putting the company ahead of any one person's ego.