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The Insiders Podcast: Dak’s Walking Boot and Is Lamar Jackson the Best Dual-Threat QB Of All Time? · NFL Game Previews

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Speaker 1: Happen Monday.
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Speaker 2: Everybody you are watching the Insiders.
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Speaker 1: I am Steve.
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Speaker 3: Whitchermar Inglewood, California Newsroom Studios, and that is Ian RAPPI
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Speaker 3: work from the Rap Cave rap Sheet.
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Speaker 2: How's everything going? Man back from Greece, ready to go?
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Speaker 2: What's up?
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Speaker 3: I am back from Greece too? But we missed each other,
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Speaker 3: you know what? He In a little bit, we're gonna
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Speaker 3: be joined by Mark Ross, Sarah Walsh and Omar Ruiz
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Speaker 3: and they're gonna help us get some answers to could
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Speaker 3: see Jay Stroud, the Texans quarterback, grow into the best
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Speaker 3: player at his position in the NFL?
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Speaker 2: And based on last week's.
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Speaker 3: Hard knocks, are the Giants really all in on quarterback
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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones? And lastly, is Baltimore's Lamar Jackson the best
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Speaker 3: dual threat quarterback ever? You will get those answers a
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Speaker 3: little bit later, But first Ian the big news from
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Speaker 3: over the weekend. Let's take a look at this picture
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Speaker 3: from Dak Prescott's own social media account. He's not in
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Speaker 3: that walking boot. This from Saturday, July sixth, with two
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Speaker 3: days earlier. Ian, on July fourth, we saw him in
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Speaker 3: that walking boot that created all kinds of frenzy what's
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Speaker 3: going on with Dak? So as we come back to
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Speaker 3: the show, let's bring it our Mark Ross and Ian,
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Speaker 3: what can you tell us a little bit about the
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Speaker 3: walking boot.
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Speaker 2: Not walking boot and Dak Prescott. It was a very
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four situation.
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Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, as most players are right now away on vacation,
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Speaker 4: minding his own business. The doc worker ended up snapping
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Speaker 4: a photo of him wearing a protective walking boot just
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Speaker 4: kind of stroll into a boat, and everything went crazy
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Speaker 4: on social media. So we had to get to the
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Speaker 4: bottom and figure out where it all stands. Here's my
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Speaker 4: understanding of the situation. On the same foot, the same ankle, essentially,
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Speaker 4: the Dak Prescott very famously injured a couple of years ago.
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Speaker 4: He suffered a very very mild foot spring, so mild
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Speaker 4: that about a week or so later he was out
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Speaker 4: of the walking boots. Nothing, as far as I can understand,
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Speaker 4: nothing that will prevent his participation in training camp, nothing
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Speaker 4: that will alter the progress that he is making toward
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Speaker 4: being one hundred percent out in the field when training
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Speaker 4: camp begins. It is all good, and the fact that
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Speaker 4: he was in a boot doesn't necessarily mean anything bad.
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Speaker 4: Walking boots are structural, they are protective. It's like you
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Speaker 4: see plenty of times guys players leave a stadium with
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Speaker 4: a walking but everyone's like, oh no, sometimes it's just
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Speaker 4: to make sure that he can walk without a limp.
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Speaker 4: It is going to be okay. And as Dak Prescott
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Speaker 4: himself showed us, the fact that he's out of the
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Speaker 4: walking boot already probably good, great and not.
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Speaker 1: A big deal.
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Speaker 2: But let's not diminish this too.
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Speaker 3: None of us are going to go put on a
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Speaker 3: walking boot just to say we put in a walking boot.
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Speaker 3: There is a little bit of there. There become training camp.
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Speaker 3: We're not expecting anything big. So Mark, let's get to your.
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Speaker 2: Front office perspective. Right here, we know Dak is in the.
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Speaker 3: Final year of that four year, one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 3: million dollar contract, could in any way the Cowboys, we
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Speaker 3: have all of his medical records, use something like this
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Speaker 3: as as leverage, so to speak, and any time a
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Speaker 3: contract negotiations they may be having.
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Speaker 5: That's a great point, Steve, And yes you may think so,
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Speaker 5: but Ian mentioned the previous injury, the initial injury.
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Speaker 1: In twenty What happened after that?
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Speaker 5: They gave back the biggest press, the biggest contract in history.
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Speaker 5: So there's already a precedent that despite a major injury
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Speaker 5: and now just a preventative one, that they gave him
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Speaker 5: a ton of money.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think that.
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Speaker 5: Would preclude them from giving him another huge contract. Of
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Speaker 5: course that'll come into talks, but when it's all said
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Speaker 5: and done, I think they'll do that. And you talk
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Speaker 5: about just the supply and demand. The Cowboys know what's
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Speaker 5: out there, they know the QB market, and we have
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Speaker 5: to look no further than just this past summer with
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Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins, who's thirty five years old and coming off
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Speaker 5: in Achilles.
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Speaker 1: We haven't seen him at all.
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Speaker 5: That's not preventative at all, then will he even look
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Speaker 5: like And the Vikings gave him a four year, one
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Speaker 5: hundred and eighty million dollar contract. So there's a president
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Speaker 5: with Dak coming back from an injury and getting dad.
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Speaker 5: But also just as pass summer with Kirk Cousin, an
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Speaker 5: older bird of that who got a huge contract.
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Speaker 1: Fella. So no, I don't think so sry.
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Speaker 2: That was the Falcons that gave Kirk that contract.
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Speaker 3: Remember, Dak Prescott is thirty one and based on today's
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Speaker 3: NFL quarterbacks, He's still kind of a baby in the
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Speaker 3: way things are going. Now, Dak's injury is mild, but Ian,
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Speaker 3: let's get to a quarterback who is coming off of
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Speaker 3: a significant injury, and that's Bengals quarterback Joey Burrow. Now,
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Speaker 3: Joey said, coming off of that risk surgery that he
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Speaker 3: had that limited him to you know, just a few
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Speaker 3: games last season, that the biggest strides this year are
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Speaker 3: going to be learning how.
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Speaker 1: To get through the season in tip top shape.
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Speaker 3: This is the second time he's not been able to
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Speaker 3: finish the season because of a major injury. We know
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Speaker 3: he's been tickling the ivories playing the piano to try
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Speaker 3: to strengthen that risk. But also Ian, you know, the
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Speaker 3: one thing he said, you know which is interesting here
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Speaker 3: a lot of players who are hurt saying, you know,
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Speaker 3: when you're not on the field, people forget about you.
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Speaker 3: But in typical Joe Burrow with Joe sisty swag says,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to give them something to talk about. So
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Speaker 3: when you know, what is the status of this injury
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Speaker 3: and what are the Bengals thinking about Joe Burrow as
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Speaker 3: he comes back from this rest surgery.
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Speaker 2: First of all. It sounds like he's doing absolutely fine
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Speaker 2: from the risk surgery.
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Speaker 4: Kind of did a on again, off again thing during
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Speaker 4: mandatory minicamp during the ots, but really just to make
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Speaker 4: sure that he didn't go too hard. I haven't talked
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Speaker 4: to anyone who believes there's going to be any issue
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Speaker 4: going forward with his risk. But we've seen and heard
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Speaker 4: a lot of Joe Burrow this offseason, whether in Vogue,
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Speaker 4: which actually is a thing of course, he walked in
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Speaker 4: some fashion shows along with his old college teammate Justin Jefferson.
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Speaker 4: We've seen plenty of interviews like the barstool one and
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Speaker 4: some others, but he is seeming to me striking the
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Speaker 4: right courtier. Joe Burrow was awesome, Okay. I mean we've
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Speaker 4: seen him do almost everything. We've seen him get all
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Speaker 4: the way in the Super Bowl. We've seen him perform
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Speaker 4: in clutch moments. We've seen him emerge to being one
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Speaker 4: of the very very best in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: But he knows to be the best to consider.
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Speaker 4: To be considered among all of the excellent, excellent quarterbacks
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Speaker 4: take their teams deep into the playoffs the year after year.
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Speaker 2: He has to be there. He has to be healthy.
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Speaker 4: It is clear from listening just to Burrow's words that
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Speaker 4: not only is he, as you mentioned, set out to
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Speaker 4: remind us of how good he is, but he understands
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Speaker 4: that availability is like the biggest thing. And I would
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Speaker 4: hope for his sake, for his team's sake, for everything
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Speaker 4: that we see a little more of a cautious Joe
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Speaker 4: Burrow just to make sure he stays on the field.
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Speaker 3: We saw he did there too when he talked about
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow striking a chord.
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Speaker 2: Of course they're playing the piano.
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Speaker 3: Now, Mark, you know, we know Joe Burrow's not the
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Speaker 3: only quarterback coming back from a significant injury. There's Aaron Rodgers,
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Speaker 3: There's Deshaun Watson, There's Anthony Richardson.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's kind of bring it back into the show.
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Speaker 2: We be and Aaron Rodgers. Since those are two teams.
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Speaker 3: People projecting to go to the playoffs if those two
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Speaker 3: guys stay healthy. But which one takes their team on
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Speaker 3: a deeper playoff run?
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Speaker 1: Oh, this is easy.
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Speaker 5: It's got to be Joe Burrow and Ian talked about availability.
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Speaker 5: When Joe Burrow's available, they go to the super Bowl,
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Speaker 5: they go to the conference championship game.
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Speaker 1: I mean He's shown you what he can do.
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Speaker 5: He's shown you I can beat Patrick Mahomes in the
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Speaker 5: regular season, so you know what Joe Burrow can do
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Speaker 5: when he is available. And the Bengals team itself had
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Speaker 5: nine wins last year, fellas we forget they had nine
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Speaker 5: wins despite that having Joe Burrow. So they've got a
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Speaker 5: really great team with maybe top three quarterback in the league.
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Speaker 1: Whereas on the flip side, I know we.
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Speaker 5: Keep talking about Aaron Rodgers, but the last time we
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Speaker 5: saw Aaron Rodgers play, he had one of the worst
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Speaker 5: seasons of his career. And he's a thirty nine years old.
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Speaker 5: There's no precedent for a thirty nine year old making
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Speaker 5: a deep run except Tom Brady. We're not comparing to
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Speaker 5: anybody to Tom Brady. But also coming off that Achilles injury,
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Speaker 5: there's not a great history or precedent for quarterbacks actually
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Speaker 5: even playing well following Achilles. So with the age and
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Speaker 5: the injury, with Aaron Rodgers, no Joe Burrow's available, he wins.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, hard argue with that mark, even though the Bengals
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Speaker 3: are in arguably the best top to bottom division right there,
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Speaker 3: We've got some news right now that has developed this
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Speaker 3: today about some players, and let's start in Pittsburgh with
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Speaker 3: their defensive back Cameron Sutton, who they just resigned this
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Speaker 3: summer after him spending last season with the Lions.
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Speaker 4: You have some significant news from two veteran defensive backs,
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Speaker 4: both dealing with suspensions. We'll start, as you mentioned with
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Speaker 4: Cam Sutton, the former Lions big ticket free agent, was
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Speaker 4: released by the Lions after dealing with a domestic violence issue.
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Speaker 2: Resigned by the Steelers.
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Speaker 4: Now we get official word from the NFL that he
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Speaker 4: has been suspended eight games without pay during the start
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Speaker 4: of the twenty twenty four season, violent in the NFL's
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Speaker 4: Personal conduct Policy. Eligible to return October twenty ninth after
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Speaker 4: the game against the Giants. Sutton has entered a or
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Speaker 4: did enter a pre trial program in April to resolve
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Speaker 4: the domestic violence case. After he turned himself in to
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Speaker 4: the Hillsboro County Sheriff. He was charged with misdemeanor battery.
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Speaker 4: As you mentioned, back with these Steelers, but not going
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Speaker 4: to join them on the field for real until midway
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Speaker 4: through the season. Meanwhile, to Shawn Gibson, the veteran defensive
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Speaker 4: back formerly of the forty nine Ers, several teams. Of course,
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Speaker 4: to Shaun Gibson, he was suspended last week for valley
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Speaker 4: in the NFL's ped policy. Released a statement today essentially
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Speaker 4: taking ownership of the issuest, saying he took a supplement
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Speaker 4: one time that he thought was safe and legal.
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Speaker 2: Of course, according to the NFL's policy, it was not.
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Speaker 4: He takes full responsibility though for what goes into his body.
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Speaker 4: He accepts the suspension and looks forward to a thirteenth
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Speaker 4: season again still unsigned.
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Speaker 3: Steve, all right, thanks so much for that news, and
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Speaker 3: now we have to get on to a tragic development
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Speaker 3: that took place over the weekend in Maryland outside of Washington,
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Speaker 3: d C. Where a fatal car accident claimed the lives
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Speaker 3: of three people, including Viking's rookie cornerback Kyrie Jackson Jackson
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Speaker 3: as well as Isaiah Hazel and.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Litton Junior.
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Speaker 3: We're driving early Saturday morning when, according to investigators, another
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Speaker 3: car entered their lane and forced.
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Speaker 2: Their vehicle off the road.
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Speaker 3: The Vikings released the following statement in the wake of
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Speaker 3: this horrible news. We're devastated by the news of Kyrie
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Speaker 3: Jackson's death following an overnight car accident. While we worked
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Speaker 3: to gather more information. We've spoken to Kyrie's family and
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Speaker 3: offered the support of the Minnesota Vikings. We've also offered
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Speaker 3: We've also communicated the news to Vikings players, coaches, and staff,
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Speaker 3: and have offered counseling for those who need emotional support.
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Speaker 3: Our thoughts with Kyrie's family, friends, teammates, and coaches, as
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Speaker 3: well as the victims of this tragic accident. The NFL
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Speaker 3: also issued this statement. The NFL family is deeply saddened
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Speaker 3: and devastated by the passing of Vikings rookie Kyrie Jackson.
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Speaker 3: Our thoughts and condolences are with his family, loved ones,
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Speaker 3: and everybody involved in this tragic accident.
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Speaker 2: Jackson was a fourth round pick of the.
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Speaker 3: Vikings in the twenty twenty four drafts out of Oregon.
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Speaker 2: He was twenty four.
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Speaker 3: He's right back after the Star, all right, Welcome back
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Speaker 3: to the Insiders, and now it is time for some
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Speaker 3: summer superlatives in these final days of player's time off.
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Speaker 3: Former Panthers MVP Cam Newton recently appeared on The Fourth
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Speaker 3: and one Show and he was asked if he was
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Speaker 3: the best dual threat quarterback of all time. His response, no,
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Speaker 3: that's Lamar Jackson. He's got big plays, any play, and
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Speaker 3: he's got speed that I've never had. I do think
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Speaker 3: Cam is selling himself a little bit short right there,
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Speaker 3: the former MVP. But you're looking at the highest passer
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Speaker 3: rating among these dual threat quarterbacks. It's a label that
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Speaker 3: we've put on them. You're looking at Russell Wilson one
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Speaker 3: hundred passer rating, Lamar Jackson's right there at ninety eight,
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Speaker 3: Cam Newton eighty five point.
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Speaker 2: Two, and Michael Vick at about eighty.
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Speaker 3: Jackson's the only play in NFL history to hit fifteen
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Speaker 3: thousand pass yards and five thousand rush yards in his
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Speaker 3: career before playing his eleventh season. Jackson is entering his
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Speaker 3: seventh season. So again, I'm Steve Whiteley and Mark Ross,
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Speaker 3: and let's start with you. When you hear Cam Newton,
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Speaker 3: who by the way, is incredibly thoughtful. I love watching
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Speaker 3: him and see what he's become as a broadcaster kind
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Speaker 3: of an analyst. But when he says this about Lamar Jackson,
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Speaker 3: when you look at Lamar's impact on today's game, at
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Speaker 3: what he's done for the Ravens, what are your thoughts
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Speaker 3: on that?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 4: I took notice right because for Cam Newton to you know, annoint,
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Speaker 4: I would say, maybe, for lack of a better word,
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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson is meaningful. I mean, Kim Newton, it's I
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Speaker 4: think people kind of forget how unbelievably good he was
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Speaker 4: and how unbelievably revolutionary he was, not just in the NFL,
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Speaker 4: but then of course before that in college. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this was the guy who was who was the whole
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Speaker 4: team on several teams he was on. And for him
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Speaker 4: to come out and say, you know, Lamar Jackson is
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Speaker 4: the best dual threat quarterback of all time, that's something
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Speaker 4: to me. I say, all right, well that's coming from
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Speaker 4: where it comes from. That's meaningful. I would also say this,
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Speaker 4: until Lamar Jackson wins a super Bowl, and I really
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Speaker 4: do think that it is coming for the Baltimore Ravens
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Speaker 4: and their star quarterback, until they go deep, deep into
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Speaker 4: the playoffs, until he continues to do it year after
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Speaker 4: year rather than deal with some of the injuries he
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Speaker 4: has in the past. Then I don't know that the
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Speaker 4: words of Cam Newton are really.
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Speaker 2: Going to mean anything. Forget about to us and who
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Speaker 2: cares about that, But I.
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Speaker 4: Don't think it's going to mean anything to Lamar Jackson,
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Speaker 4: because this is a guy who is as team oriented
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Speaker 4: as anyone could ever want it. So, like the nice
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Speaker 4: words are nice and fine and meaningful, but I know
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Speaker 4: that when it comes to what Lamar and the Ravens
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Speaker 4: and the fans and all of them want, it's more
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Speaker 4: about the team stuff super Bowls as opposed to the
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Speaker 4: individual stuff, which is greatest tool thread quarterback of all time.
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Speaker 1: In one hundred percent, right.
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Speaker 5: Look, Lamar Jackson has done individually and even winning during
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Speaker 5: the regular season has been unprecedented.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he balls out, he puts up stats.
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Speaker 5: And he wins, but the ultimate goal for him is
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Speaker 5: to win those Super Bowls or even get to one.
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Speaker 5: If he does that, I think he will could be
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Speaker 5: considered that and will be considered the greatest not just
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Speaker 5: dual threat quarterback, but one of the greatest quarterbacks of
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Speaker 5: all time. And I think Cam Newton was being very
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Speaker 5: gracious because what Cam did. He did put a team
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Speaker 5: on his back at the Panthers and take them to
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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl with Philly Brown and the Jericho COACHERI
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Speaker 5: and Ted Ginton Junior as his receivers there. So Cam
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Speaker 5: Newton was an absolute phenomenon of force of nature. On
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Speaker 5: the field, and you talk about revolutionizing the game, it's
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Speaker 5: sort of the evolution of Randall to Donovan McNabb, Vig
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Speaker 5: to Cam and now Lamar. But even when Cam came out,
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Speaker 5: there was questions whether he could do it. Despite the
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Speaker 5: history of those doing it and Vic doing it, it was
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Speaker 5: still hen this guy doing it, and he's saying Lamar
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Speaker 5: has got something. He doesn't have that speed. But Cam
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Speaker 5: is sixty five, two hundred and fifty pounds and he
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Speaker 5: had strength end speed like nobody else. And before the
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Speaker 5: touch Pusch, it was the Cam just run over people
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Speaker 5: at the goal liner.
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Speaker 1: Shirtyard is that Lee think he used to do?
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Speaker 3: So?
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Speaker 1: Big plays?
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Speaker 5: Revolutionarizy game, Cam selling himself short, I love, I love
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Speaker 5: he's giving the young guys flowers. But Cam, you're up
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Speaker 5: there too, my man.
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Speaker 1: And don't forget you know.
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Speaker 2: Cam used to get the shack attack type treatment.
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Speaker 3: He was taking shots that no other quarterback, especially in
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Speaker 3: today's game, would be allowed to take. And he played
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Speaker 3: through a lot of those, maybe even till those led
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Speaker 3: to the injuries that cut his career a little bit short. Okay,
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Speaker 3: let's move on to the next summer. Superlative and let's
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Speaker 3: go to the words of Houston Texans wide receiver Take Dell.
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Speaker 3: I praise from Dell about his quarterback, the offensive rookie
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Speaker 3: of the Year in CJ. Stroud, who said on a
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Speaker 3: recent edition of I Am Athlete This that's right CJ.
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Speaker 6: God to just keep doing what he doing to bridge
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Speaker 6: the gap between him and my homes man, because I'm
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Speaker 6: not gonna lie my home special man. W it was
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Speaker 6: like six years, seventy five super Bowls, six years.
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Speaker 1: I think going to the.
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Speaker 6: Super Bowl, you know, that's crazy and it's for sure
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Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of work to get have to
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Speaker 6: be put in with seven. But I just feel like
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Speaker 6: if he just keep doing he doing, he on the
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Speaker 6: right path he started in he started already, So I
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Speaker 6: feel like we just keep bringing in pieces to help
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Speaker 6: the team grow.
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Speaker 3: So Producer Alex Will, can we get to smooth jazz
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Speaker 3: for the rest of the segment, As I asked Ian,
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Speaker 3: what does CJ. Stroud have to do to close that
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Speaker 3: gap on Patrick Mahomes and eventually surpass him to be
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Speaker 3: that dude?
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Speaker 2: Well, first, a little story.
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Speaker 4: So when I covered Alabama when I was a young
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Speaker 4: beat writer just twenty six, twenty seven, years old. Covering
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Speaker 4: for the Birmingham News, I covered a somewhat well known
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Speaker 4: coach named Nick Saban and when he would hear things
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Speaker 4: that the media set or things that opponent said, or
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Speaker 4: his own players, the praise, the endless praise for his team,
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Speaker 4: had a very endearing word for it, and that was
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Speaker 4: rat poison. And so this is what's coming for the
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Speaker 4: Houston Texans. It is, as a former Alabama superstar Dmika
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Speaker 4: Ryans knows very well, rat poison.
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Speaker 2: It is endless people telling them how good they are.
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Speaker 1: So yes, c J.
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Speaker 4: Stroud is awesome, and I really do believe Tank Doll.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he really does have a chance to be
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Speaker 4: among the greats in the game, certainly among the greats today.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's all out there for him. And the
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Speaker 2: fact that his rookie season.
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Speaker 4: Was so unbelievably good, in the fact his team seems
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Speaker 4: primed to go on a big time deep run year
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Speaker 4: year after year.
17:37
Speaker 2: It's all good.
17:39
Speaker 4: But the second year after the big success, these are
17:42
Speaker 4: the kinds of things that this Houston Texans team is
17:45
Speaker 4: going to have to deal with. They are not under
17:47
Speaker 4: the radar. They really are no longer anyone's darlings. They're
17:50
Speaker 4: not a surprise. Everyone knows they are coming, everyone knows
17:53
Speaker 4: how good they are, and it's gonna be nothing but praise,
17:57
Speaker 4: endless praise, And it's just part of like Holmes and
18:00
Speaker 4: the Chiefs deal with this a lot. It's part of
18:03
Speaker 4: what the Texan they're really going to have to get
18:05
Speaker 4: through the season.
18:06
Speaker 2: And did you hear the music in the background, were
18:07
Speaker 2: you feeling it? I did hear that. Mark, We're keeping
18:09
Speaker 2: it going for you now, that's part of my request.
18:11
Speaker 5: Really good, thanks Steve, I appreciate it. I would switch
18:15
Speaker 5: up my theme music, but we'll get that later on
18:17
Speaker 5: to the producers. But hey, look, you're right, hey, they
18:20
Speaker 5: do have to avoid the traps and they'll take the
18:22
Speaker 5: she don't take the cheese and rat poison and all that.
18:24
Speaker 5: But last year when ces Shroud jumped out there and
18:28
Speaker 5: he had those huge games, and each week they're saying,
18:30
Speaker 5: all right, he's going to level off at some point,
18:32
Speaker 5: and he just kept getting better and better and better,
18:36
Speaker 5: and the team kept getting better and everybody around the
18:39
Speaker 5: confidence just grew and built around it.
18:41
Speaker 1: Demiko Ryan's a phenomenal coach, so to me, Ces Shroud
18:46
Speaker 1: already is easy.
18:47
Speaker 5: Top ten quarterback easy knocking on the door of top
18:50
Speaker 5: five could be top five already in what He's Done
18:53
Speaker 5: argument Therapy's top five. But yes, the ultimate goal is
18:56
Speaker 5: to be the man.
18:58
Speaker 1: You have to beat the.
18:58
Speaker 5: Man, and I love out Tank Dell gave Patrick's flowers
19:01
Speaker 5: that he didn't just throw Patrick under the bus and say,
19:03
Speaker 5: my guys seemed Dave's better than him.
19:05
Speaker 1: He acknowledged, Yep, this is the standard. You got to
19:08
Speaker 1: go beat that guy.
19:09
Speaker 5: What Patrick has done has been amazing, but my guy
19:11
Speaker 5: can do it and he has confidence in it. So yeah, Mark,
19:14
Speaker 5: don't beat the man, and then we can talk about
19:16
Speaker 5: you CJ.
19:17
Speaker 2: But Mark, nobody gets there alone.
19:18
Speaker 3: And what about the way the Houston Texans are ensuring
19:21
Speaker 3: at least trying to ensure he continues that trend that
19:24
Speaker 3: go out and to get Nistefon Diggs, that continue to
19:26
Speaker 3: fordify that offensive line and they replenish the defense after
19:30
Speaker 3: they lose some key players.
19:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they looked at. They're better.
19:35
Speaker 5: It looks like a better team last year at this time,
19:37
Speaker 5: we're just talking about the Texans. Well, maybe they've got
19:40
Speaker 5: got the young quarterback, rookie rookie head coach. Let's see
19:44
Speaker 5: what kind of damage. I mean, no one want to.
19:45
Speaker 5: Ian and I are actually back together training camp there.
19:47
Speaker 5: Nobody there would have thought they would have done what
19:50
Speaker 5: they did last year throughout that, so I think they're
19:53
Speaker 5: even better now.
19:54
Speaker 1: The GM there, Nixonsaria said, you know.
19:56
Speaker 5: What, I'm going to strike and get and get and
19:58
Speaker 5: get Diggs, going to get Hunter, and we're going to
20:01
Speaker 5: make a run at this right now. Our window might
20:03
Speaker 5: not be opened as long as we think, so let's
20:05
Speaker 5: take up shots now. We got a ton of young
20:07
Speaker 5: players with contracts that we can build this around and
20:11
Speaker 5: make this sustainable for a while. So you know, I
20:14
Speaker 5: love what they've done so far.
20:16
Speaker 3: Well, okay, smooth jazz beautiful For this segment, we're not
20:19
Speaker 3: the next segment because we're going Hard Knocks. We're looking
20:22
Speaker 3: at episode one and the Giants in some intriguing discussion
20:27
Speaker 3: about former running back Saquon Barkley t demn not in
20:33
Speaker 3: New York might be the man in Philly, though we'll
20:36
Speaker 3: talk about that.
20:36
Speaker 2: More on The Insider.
20:44
Speaker 3: Weloc back to the Insiders and tomorrow night, episode number
20:47
Speaker 3: two of Hard Knocks the off season with the New
20:49
Speaker 3: York Giants. It drops on HBO and streams on Max.
20:52
Speaker 3: We hope to see some moments as fascinating as this
20:55
Speaker 3: one from GM Joe Shanan Company discussing Saquon Barkley to
20:59
Speaker 3: play episode one. Obviously Saque franchising and trading him.
21:10
Speaker 2: I don't think he's realistic.
21:11
Speaker 1: Are we?
21:12
Speaker 4: Are we positive that nobody is gonna pay him that
21:15
Speaker 4: kind of.
21:16
Speaker 7: Money, Like there's nobody in the draft never there's another
21:19
Speaker 7: free agents receivers that are gonna they're rather gonna be
21:22
Speaker 7: going back to their team at twenty million.
21:24
Speaker 4: I mean, who would you say would go sign up
21:25
Speaker 4: running back to that dollar a month team? That's I
21:29
Speaker 4: mean anyone that has money to spend.
21:31
Speaker 7: There's a lot of running backs in free agency.
21:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, but are any potential difference makers?
21:35
Speaker 7: Really?
21:35
Speaker 4: Like, after you watch this film.
21:38
Speaker 7: Even if sak one is number one, you're bored. Do
21:40
Speaker 7: you imagine anyone's going to have such a gap between
21:42
Speaker 7: Saque and Jacob's Pollard, Henry whoever else, that they're gonna
21:47
Speaker 7: want him at twelve million dollars a year or minus
21:49
Speaker 7: were willing to eat and send.
21:51
Speaker 1: A draft pick? Right?
21:53
Speaker 2: And then if we did, what would somebody realistically give up?
21:58
Speaker 1: I just think all the team doesn't think they need
21:59
Speaker 1: a running back, and look at do you feel good
22:02
Speaker 1: about eating three to four million for a fifth round packer?
22:05
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not.
22:06
Speaker 4: There's no guarantee we from training, so, you know, having
22:10
Speaker 4: the needs that we have and a four million dollars
22:13
Speaker 4: twenty seven year old.
22:13
Speaker 2: Part interesting interesting stuff. I'm joined by Mark Ross and
22:17
Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport.
22:18
Speaker 3: Mark, let's start with you, because you've been in those
22:20
Speaker 3: discussions when you were with the Giants and the Eagles,
22:23
Speaker 3: and what did you take from what they were saying
22:25
Speaker 3: about first off, examining the teams and then paying Saquon
22:29
Speaker 3: and upwards of twelve million dollars in comparing to the
22:31
Speaker 3: other running backs, and then how they were measuring him
22:34
Speaker 3: and how he would fit on their roster.
22:38
Speaker 1: Well, in first we got to know what the production is.
22:41
Speaker 5: What was that spiced a little bit to make it
22:43
Speaker 5: seem good for TV?
22:44
Speaker 1: We don't know what. Let's just say it was.
22:46
Speaker 2: That's what they do. It's edited, of course.
22:49
Speaker 1: I know.
22:49
Speaker 5: But so but you go through all of that when
22:53
Speaker 5: you're in those meetings. They gave you a nice little
22:54
Speaker 5: snippet of Look, these meetings go on forever, you know,
22:58
Speaker 5: that wasn't just a five minute meeting that they had,
23:00
Speaker 5: and everybody's in there. This has been talked about four
23:03
Speaker 5: months throughout the whole year, really and pro scouts got
23:06
Speaker 5: there and stack the board, and you get with your
23:08
Speaker 5: cap guys, you get with your college evaluation team, and
23:12
Speaker 5: you stack everything together.
23:13
Speaker 1: You talk about all.
23:14
Speaker 5: These different scenarios with your own players, with free agents,
23:17
Speaker 5: with the draft that's coming up, and you try to
23:19
Speaker 5: build the best team for you come up with the
23:21
Speaker 5: best game plan for where you are financially, where you
23:25
Speaker 5: are as a team. So that little couple minutes snippet
23:28
Speaker 5: is really months and months and months of preparation and
23:32
Speaker 5: work that the whole entire personnel department goes through. So
23:36
Speaker 5: with the Giants in particular, that the big decision, as
23:38
Speaker 5: we knew the last year or two was what to
23:40
Speaker 5: do with Daniel Jones, what to do with Sakuon Barkley.
23:43
Speaker 5: You know, up until the very end of how to
23:45
Speaker 5: handle both of those contracts. Who to prioritize, who you
23:49
Speaker 5: think you can get done and who would be easier
23:51
Speaker 5: to do. What's the value of a quarterback versus the
23:54
Speaker 5: running back, what's the upside, what's the potential. So that
23:57
Speaker 5: little snippet there definitely chance light on it, but you know,
24:01
Speaker 5: don't want to short change with the personnel department because
24:03
Speaker 5: there's not a lot of months and months of work
24:05
Speaker 5: that go into these decisions and these meetings.
24:09
Speaker 2: So episode one great.
24:10
Speaker 4: I've seen Episode two, which airs tomorrow, I think also excellent.
24:14
Speaker 4: It's a rare look into the business side of football
24:17
Speaker 4: which we haven't really seen, and seeing general manager top
24:21
Speaker 4: lieutenants discuss pretty openly the value that they put on
24:25
Speaker 4: players is really fascinating. I think it's the kind of
24:28
Speaker 4: thing that we almost never get now. The fact that
24:31
Speaker 4: they didn't think that somebody would pay Saguon Barkley more
24:34
Speaker 4: than twelve million dollars.
24:35
Speaker 2: And give up a draft pick is accurate. I also
24:39
Speaker 2: think nobody would have done that. Somebody did end up.
24:41
Speaker 4: Paying Saguon Barkley more than twelve million dollars, but then
24:44
Speaker 4: by that point the salary cap number was much higher
24:47
Speaker 4: than I think everyone anticipated. What I take from this
24:50
Speaker 4: really is more philosophical than anything. It's more fundamental for
24:55
Speaker 4: the Giants with general manager Joe Shane wants to bring
24:57
Speaker 4: than anything. Is it worth it for the Giants to
25:00
Speaker 4: pay a running back twelve million dollars? Do they believe
25:03
Speaker 4: that that is good value to be a twenty seven
25:06
Speaker 4: year old running back twelve million dollars? And they said
25:09
Speaker 4: pretty openly in another clip of Hard Knocks that there
25:12
Speaker 4: is a line where running backs at the age of
25:14
Speaker 4: twenty seven historically start to go the wrong way. The
25:18
Speaker 4: stats are what the stats are. We will see where
25:21
Speaker 4: the Giants end up. A lot of things are going
25:24
Speaker 4: to play out, But I was just really fascinated philosophically
25:27
Speaker 4: that paying twelve million dollars for running back day is
25:29
Speaker 4: just not something they really really wanted to do, even
25:32
Speaker 4: with the player is very very special and they know
25:35
Speaker 4: this as Saquon Barkley is.
25:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's interesting, and you mentioned that twenty
25:39
Speaker 3: seven year old drop dead dayto to speak, if they
25:41
Speaker 3: said the decline, we'll see how he declines behind that
25:43
Speaker 3: very good Philadelphia Eagles Yeah, offensive loss this year.
25:47
Speaker 2: There's also this, and you guys have heard this.
25:49
Speaker 3: They didn't win with Saquan as great as he was,
25:51
Speaker 3: as dynamic as he was, they lost ball games with
25:54
Speaker 3: him and Mark This is where I want to get
25:56
Speaker 3: to you because one thing Joe Shane did say is
25:59
Speaker 3: that the priority should be with their money is fortifying
26:02
Speaker 3: their quarterback Daniel.
26:04
Speaker 1: Jones so they can figure out what he is.
26:07
Speaker 3: How much did that that little episode, the ended episode
26:10
Speaker 3: that we saw tell you that this is the season
26:14
Speaker 3: to show and prove for Daniel Jones.
26:17
Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting I heard the argument about they didn't
26:19
Speaker 5: win with Saquon. Well, they don't win with Daniel Jones either.
26:22
Speaker 5: So they actually hi Rod Taylor and Tommy Cutler's Tommy
26:26
Speaker 5: DeVito when they played the offense of what played better
26:29
Speaker 5: and they were more efficient when those two guys were
26:32
Speaker 5: on the field and not Daniel Jones. So the argument that, well,
26:35
Speaker 5: we just need to get them a line and we
26:36
Speaker 5: need to do this for him, it might be a
26:39
Speaker 5: little bit of fool's goal because you put two other
26:41
Speaker 5: quarterbacks in there that had to deal with the same
26:43
Speaker 5: situation and they played better. And the best version of
26:46
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones that we've seen is when Saquon Burt Barkley
26:50
Speaker 5: is with him. So this is the great unknown whether
26:53
Speaker 5: he can actually be okay competent without Saquon. And here
26:58
Speaker 5: comes from Elie Neighbors and he's got to save the day.
27:00
Speaker 5: So that's the huge question For me, it's not just
27:03
Speaker 5: been this year with Daniel doings proven, It's been.
27:05
Speaker 1: The last couple of years.
27:06
Speaker 5: But the Giants brass otherwise and thought he had a
27:08
Speaker 5: lot more to offer. But you know, I haven't really
27:11
Speaker 5: seen a lot of Daniel Jones that think he can
27:12
Speaker 5: compete with the big guys there in the NFC.
27:15
Speaker 1: Dean Well, they.
27:17
Speaker 4: Did make a run two years ago when he was
27:19
Speaker 4: fully healthy, and I know it was a kind of
27:21
Speaker 4: a Cinderella type season, but there he was leading them
27:24
Speaker 4: into exactly where every team wants to go.
27:26
Speaker 2: And I would say this, you're right.
27:28
Speaker 4: I mean with Sakuon is a great player, and when
27:32
Speaker 4: he has been healthy, he has absolutely helped the Giants
27:34
Speaker 4: win football games if they're going to go where they
27:37
Speaker 4: want to go. We have seen teams all across the
27:39
Speaker 4: NFL it is with star quarterbacks. With Daniel Jones turn
27:42
Speaker 4: into the star quarterback, the Giants hope that's all going
27:45
Speaker 4: to play out on the field. But using that money
27:47
Speaker 4: fortify the offensive line and such, to me, I think
27:50
Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
27:52
Speaker 3: You know, the last great real inside linebacker was for
27:55
Speaker 3: the New York Giants guys Antonio Piers and Antonio Pierce
28:01
Speaker 3: is one of a handful of new coaches who are
28:04
Speaker 3: trying to change the culture of their ball clubs.
28:07
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about ap and.
28:09
Speaker 3: Some other new coaches as they get set for.
28:11
Speaker 1: Training camp and the difference they can make.
28:14
Speaker 2: That's next on the inside.
28:24
Speaker 1: Let's do what we do, boy, let's do what we
28:26
Speaker 1: do we specially the night. All right, crazy lads, get
28:28
Speaker 1: some jews down. Let's go up top.
28:29
Speaker 2: Huh up top.
28:30
Speaker 1: Oh, let's go k like it, like it.
28:35
Speaker 6: Pound them, pound them, pound them, pound them.
28:39
Speaker 1: Let's get the ball off this fit sack of the game.
28:43
Speaker 3: You can't keep this d line down, John Cope, You're
28:47
Speaker 3: gonna get chance to see before man, that's awesome seeing
28:49
Speaker 3: what you're.
28:50
Speaker 1: Doing as a former player.
28:51
Speaker 3: Right, they're gonna Raiders coach Antonio Pierce as we're joined
28:54
Speaker 3: by our own Omar Ruiz. Antonio Pierce takes over midway
28:57
Speaker 3: last season with the Raiders. Omar he goes five, I
29:00
Speaker 3: even four as interim, gets the full time job after
29:03
Speaker 3: they flirted with some other candidates. But there's a lot
29:06
Speaker 3: of new coaches here and one of the big thing
29:07
Speaker 3: they're trying to establish is culture. It looks like ap
29:12
Speaker 3: got a head start on that as opposed to some
29:14
Speaker 3: other coaches like Dave Canalis who were starting fresh.
29:18
Speaker 8: Yeah, you mentioned it. Steve the five and four of
29:20
Speaker 8: the nine games as interim head coach he had with
29:22
Speaker 8: the Raiders, and the immediate fix was the style of play.
29:25
Speaker 8: And we saw the passion, the relentlessness, the energy that
29:28
Speaker 8: they played with most, especially when they destroyed the Chargers.
29:32
Speaker 1: They're on Thursday Night football.
29:33
Speaker 8: But the first thing he did when they started the
29:35
Speaker 8: off season program was, like you said, start to address
29:38
Speaker 8: that culture. And he said he told his coaches put
29:41
Speaker 8: the x's and o's on the back burner for a
29:43
Speaker 8: little bit. Let's focus on chemistry, on continuity, on communication,
29:47
Speaker 8: on accountability, and focus on our relationships. He said, first
29:51
Speaker 8: from coaches to coaches, then when the players got into
29:53
Speaker 8: the building, coaches to players, and of course in the
29:56
Speaker 8: locker room, players to players. And he said that was
29:59
Speaker 8: reflective in how they saw the player's practice. When OTAs began,
30:03
Speaker 8: the passion, the love for the game, all of that
30:06
Speaker 8: was on display. So he said it was a success
30:09
Speaker 8: in that way. And he said, now in this window
30:12
Speaker 8: between mini camp and training camp is when offensive coordinator
30:16
Speaker 8: and Luke Getzie and him get in the lab, and
30:18
Speaker 8: defensive coordator Patrick Graham and him get in the lab
30:21
Speaker 8: and figure out now the x's and o's and how
30:23
Speaker 8: best properly they're going to fit all of these players
30:26
Speaker 8: into these schemes with the x'es and o's. And you
30:28
Speaker 8: mentioned the kind of family atmosphere that he has there,
30:32
Speaker 8: his son DeAndre literally on the staff, so that family
30:35
Speaker 8: part of the culture there with the Raiders, And a
30:37
Speaker 8: similar story with Dave Canalis talking with him a few
30:40
Speaker 8: weeks ago during their mini camp with the Carolina Panthers
30:42
Speaker 8: first time head coach, he told me that he wants
30:45
Speaker 8: to create a culture there where everybody loves to come
30:48
Speaker 8: to work. He told me that they haven't really spent
30:50
Speaker 8: too much time focusing on fixing last year. He said,
30:53
Speaker 8: they have so much on their plate already, trying to
30:56
Speaker 8: install a new offense, trying to make that defense in
30:59
Speaker 8: year two with a evro a little more sophisticated, and
31:02
Speaker 8: advancing those calls there. And he said that when they
31:05
Speaker 8: look to training camp, he's gonna want all those guys
31:08
Speaker 8: to come with the energy and the fire and the passion. Steve,
31:11
Speaker 8: you know Canalis as well, as I do that. You know,
31:14
Speaker 8: nobody is more positive in the NFL than him, And
31:17
Speaker 8: we saw what he's charged to do with Bryce Young.
31:20
Speaker 8: And Bryce Young had a football camp earlier this summer
31:23
Speaker 8: where Andy Dalton showed up, and offensive coordinator Brad Inzick
31:27
Speaker 8: show up, and owner Nicole Tepper showed up. And I
31:29
Speaker 8: said to Canalis, what does that show about Bryce Young?
31:32
Speaker 8: And he said, well, everybody likes and respects Bryce, But
31:34
Speaker 8: he said, that shows you what type of people we
31:36
Speaker 8: have in the building that they would go support one
31:39
Speaker 8: of their own, and that's the type of people you
31:41
Speaker 8: can build a culture with. So he's excited to get
31:44
Speaker 8: that training camp started here in a couple of weeks,
31:46
Speaker 8: and as well as Antonio Pierce, you know, getting their
31:48
Speaker 8: new stamps on their new teams here as we get
31:51
Speaker 8: set for training camp here in a couple of weeks.
31:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Canal, it's a very positive guy. You talk
31:54
Speaker 3: about supporting Bryce Young. They've got to support him on
31:57
Speaker 3: the field by continuing to add to that roster as well.
31:59
Speaker 3: But we know, Dave Canalis that quarterback whispers. Last two projects,
32:03
Speaker 3: you know, Smith Baker Mayfield had some outstanding seasons.
32:07
Speaker 2: Big Oh, appreciate you man. Good stuff.
32:10
Speaker 3: Well, let's take a look. You know, we're talking about
32:11
Speaker 3: Dave Canalis and Antonio Pierce. There are two of eight
32:14
Speaker 3: new full time head coaches entering twenty twenty four. You're
32:18
Speaker 3: looking at Raheem Morris in Atlanta, Jim Harbaugh with the
32:21
Speaker 3: Chargers Dan Quinn and Washington, and Mike McDonald with the
32:25
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks coming over from the Baltimore Ravens. Just bring
32:30
Speaker 3: in Mark Ross and Mark you know, Mike McDonald, I
32:32
Speaker 3: don't think the Seahawks are a team that we have
32:34
Speaker 3: talked about enough this offseason because it's speaking with people there.
32:37
Speaker 2: They believe they've.
32:38
Speaker 3: Got talent, They've already got a pretty good culture established
32:41
Speaker 3: under Pete Carroll. That's going to change some other Mike McDonald.
32:44
Speaker 3: But from your perspective, when you look at the Seahawks
32:47
Speaker 3: and maybe some other teams, what about the mix of
32:50
Speaker 3: culture and talent and how quickly that can help a
32:53
Speaker 3: team get going.
32:55
Speaker 1: You know, culture to me is a little bit overused. Steve.
32:57
Speaker 5: I like to use the winning habits and winning mindset
33:00
Speaker 5: that you put in a building, and Seattle already has it.
33:03
Speaker 5: They won a Super Bowl and they've got people in
33:06
Speaker 5: that building.
33:06
Speaker 1: To know how to get it done.
33:09
Speaker 5: So and now you bring a head coach in there
33:11
Speaker 5: who comes from a winning organization with the Ravens, but
33:16
Speaker 5: that get that winning attitude, that winning mindset, those winning habits,
33:20
Speaker 5: they all stem from a lot of talent. And as
33:22
Speaker 5: you said, like you you winning games, and it's easier
33:24
Speaker 5: to sort of enforce that. And they've got talent and
33:28
Speaker 5: all kinds of we know DK and we know Leonard
33:31
Speaker 5: Williams and Mafey, young guys like that that are coming up,
33:33
Speaker 5: a Witherspoon and Willen in on the secondary.
33:36
Speaker 1: They've got a ton of talent.
33:38
Speaker 5: So it's easier for him to the head coach to
33:41
Speaker 5: come in here and say, okay, let's hate what we
33:43
Speaker 5: already know this organization represents. We got a ton of guys,
33:45
Speaker 5: and now I'll instill that my winning habits and mindset here.
33:49
Speaker 5: But the team, for me, that's so the Seattle. Yes,
33:52
Speaker 5: maybe a little underrated, but the team, if we talk
33:54
Speaker 5: about culture and winning, is the Chargers, Steve. And that's
33:57
Speaker 5: because you've got a qui quarterback in sea inusin Herbert,
34:03
Speaker 5: who has shown I can be a top five quarterback
34:05
Speaker 5: in this league. But you have a head coach who
34:07
Speaker 5: shows every single place I go, I went, whether it's college,
34:11
Speaker 5: where it's the NFL, let me get a national championship,
34:14
Speaker 5: let me go to the super Bowl. He has shown
34:16
Speaker 5: you talk about Coulture, he has done that everywhere. There's
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Speaker 5: no guess work on what Harball is going to do.
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Speaker 5: He's going to go in there and win. So you
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Speaker 5: already have a team with I think got a talent,
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Speaker 5: not just a quarterback.
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Speaker 1: But you've got Joe Off the first round pick.
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Speaker 5: They just drafted Rashawn Slater, maybe the best tackle group
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Speaker 5: in the league. Hey, Bosa is on the side. Does
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Speaker 5: Khalil Mack have anything left? So they've got a lot
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Speaker 5: of intriguing things going there with the charges because there's
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Speaker 5: no guest work. Last week year with the Texas Ken
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Speaker 5: Stroud do it, Ken Demika Ryans first time guys. Well
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Speaker 5: you saw how instantly they got better. Well, now you
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Speaker 5: got a proven quarterback and a proven head coach. Watch out, Steve.
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Speaker 5: That's the team for me that has the best culture
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Speaker 5: and talent.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sharld Ryans did have past Mahomes and the Chiefs
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Speaker 3: waiting for him in the division either.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, we come back.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a little fun at the expense of
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Speaker 3: our guy, Maurice Jones Drew. Whoa, there he is, running
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Speaker 3: with the rock, running over people, running from people.
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Speaker 2: But his latest adventures, Oh boy, make sure.
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Speaker 1: To come back after the break.
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Speaker 2: All right now?
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Speaker 3: This weekend at Pamplona, Spain, our Maurice Jones Drew, or
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Speaker 3: as he calls his vacation persona Indiana Jones Drew got
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Speaker 3: the experience of a lifetime running.
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Speaker 1: With the bulls with his daughter.
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Speaker 3: Here's his account of how his NFL skills translated to
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Speaker 3: this epic event.
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Speaker 1: So we running. I'm looking, I'm looking to the left.
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Speaker 1: I see one you feel me.
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Speaker 9: I see this the bull, Me and my baby looking
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Speaker 9: and then something told.
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Speaker 1: Me to look straight.
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Speaker 9: So I look straight and there's a guy on the
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Speaker 9: ground right in front of me. I got my baby
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Speaker 9: in my left hand. She's supposed to be on my
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Speaker 9: right sid but she on my left side. At this point,
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Speaker 9: I heard of them. I get over him. I look again.
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Speaker 9: There's another guy in front down and then two guys
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Speaker 9: fall over him. So I try to jump cut You
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Speaker 9: feel me to the left, right into the bull. You
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Speaker 9: see what I'm saying. But buddy wouldn't move, so he
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Speaker 9: tripped me and down there I went. I feel, I feel,
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Speaker 9: and I took my baby with me.
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Speaker 1: Mark. That's one of the best things ever.
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Speaker 3: I just hope he doesn't get a call from like
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Speaker 3: child Protective Services or something.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you heard MJD. He's got skills.
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Speaker 2: You play college football, right are you running with the bulls?
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Speaker 2: You can jump cut, you can run a daylight.
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Speaker 5: And if he went by himself, why's he got his daughter?
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Speaker 5: Why do he put his daughter in danger? Come on, MJD.
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Speaker 5: You made a bad dad just doing that. Absolutely not.
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Speaker 5: I'm meeting top of sipping sipping some rioha. I am
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Speaker 5: not absolutely not doing that, Steve, come.
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Speaker 1: On in man.
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Speaker 4: I got some questions about the veracity of some of
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Speaker 4: his account right there. We really think he's jump cutting
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Speaker 4: and dodging because I believe he went down. Got no
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Speaker 4: doubts about that one, but we really think he's hurtling.
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Speaker 2: Get out of here anyway.
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Speaker 4: I had the opportunity about twenty years ago to roam
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Speaker 4: with the bulls.
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Speaker 2: I was all set to do it.
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Speaker 4: I was ready, I'd gotten all the courage, and then
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Speaker 4: I found out that you run at like six in
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Speaker 4: the morning, and you know, there may have been a
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Speaker 4: little bit of partying the night before. And was I
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Speaker 4: really gonna stay up all night or get like one
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Speaker 4: hour of sleep in the car we were sleeping in
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Speaker 4: alas I did not, So there was my opportunity at
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Speaker 4: some point. But when I was a twenty two year
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Speaker 4: old college graduate with backpacking across Europe with my buddies,
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Speaker 4: I polately declined so I could sleep.
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Speaker 3: And you went back and got some worse agria later
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Speaker 3: that night. Gentlemen, I am closer to the grave than
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Speaker 3: I am the legal drinking age.
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Speaker 1: If there's any way you.
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Speaker 2: Think I'm gonna go and run with the bulls, you
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Speaker 2: are out of your head.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be sitting there next to Mark Ross in
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Speaker 3: our beautiful wives, and we're gonna be eating tapus and
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Speaker 3: drinking some rioha, and we're gonna be watching Ian and
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Speaker 3: his dreams, reliving his account that he missed twenty years
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Speaker 3: ago run with the bulls.
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Speaker 2: Because that is not me. That's real, quick, mj D.
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Speaker 3: None of us believes you with the jump cut on,
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Speaker 3: but the fumbel that's good. I'm glad you held onto
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Speaker 3: your daughter tomorrow. Come watch this on the inside.