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Calling Out Theft Is Patriarchal Oppression! How ICE Protests Turn Policing into ‘Fascism’ · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you
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  Speaker 1: may be. My name is Brian with Allison, and this
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  Speaker 1: is maintaining frame. Calling out theft is patriarchal oppression. How
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  Speaker 1: Ice protests turned policing into fascism. Where we are going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about the I guess the ongoing developments
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  Speaker 1: in Minnesota which don't show any signs of slowing down,
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  Speaker 1: and some of like the root of this, like where this,
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  Speaker 1: where is this coming from?
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  Speaker 2: Things like that of that name, the men's rights analysis.
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  Speaker 3: Huh, the men's rights analysis of where this is coming from?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: if you want to support us, because we definitely come
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  Speaker 3: at these these situations from a very different angle. So
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  Speaker 3: do you want me to just read like an overview
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  Speaker 3: of what's going on, or did you, Brian, or did
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  Speaker 3: you have something prepared?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's uh, I think that you
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  Speaker 1: can do it. I mean, okay, sure, that's pretty straightforward.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, So the ICE conflict is still alive
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  Speaker 3: and volatile. Protests in Minnesota and other cities have pushed
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  Speaker 3: from street clashes into institutions like churches. An activists now
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  Speaker 3: are floating mass disruption tactics rather than winding down. So
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  Speaker 3: the situation. Two ICE shootings Renee Good and Minneapolis and
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  Speaker 3: another in Portland triggered large ICE out for Good protests
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  Speaker 3: and counter protests across multiple US city cities, and also
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  Speaker 3: lots and lots and lots of argument over who was
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  Speaker 3: in the wrong. Minneapolis Saint Paul remains the flashpoint, with
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  Speaker 3: repeated clashes between anti ICE demonstrators, federal agents and local
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  Speaker 3: police near hotels, federal buildings, and residential neighborhoods. Federal security
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  Speaker 3: has expanded. DOJ and FBI are now probing both ICE's
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  Speaker 3: use of force and certain protest actions, example the church disruption.
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  Speaker 3: Pulling this out of purely local politics and into national territory. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So the latest planned disruptions on the anti ICE side
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  Speaker 3: are church service disruptions. In Saint Paul, Minneapolis, protesters entered
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  Speaker 3: a church service link to an ICE adjacent prey pastor
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  Speaker 3: was that actually confirmed? I don't even know? Chanting and affronting? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like is that is? That was just something?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't The thing is, how do you
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  Speaker 2: confirm it? What? What does it mean to be? And
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean that you.
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  Speaker 3: Believe the law, that you believe that a country has the.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that a country is sovereign and citizenship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I guess that. Uh, the dog has opened.
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  Speaker 3: The DOJ has opened a civil rights investigation into whether
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  Speaker 3: worshippers' rights were violated. Continuing street protests the federal and
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  Speaker 3: hotel sites. Demonstrators are still being held outside federal buildings,
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  Speaker 3: ICE offices and hotels believed to be housing agents, with
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  Speaker 3: authorities describing sporadic clashes, tents, standoffs, rather than a return
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  Speaker 3: to normal talk of a mass no work, no school,
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  Speaker 3: no stopping action. Labor aligned organizers in Minnesota are openly
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  Speaker 3: discussing a January twenty third shutdown day tied to ICE
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  Speaker 3: and the shootings framed is a mass strike or boycott,
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  Speaker 3: even if it only partially materializes, it signals escaling, escalating planning, escalation, planning,
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  Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean, at least that's not
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  Speaker 3: actually making things more dangerous on the streets. National solidarity
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  Speaker 3: protests and vigils. Protests and vigils connected to the Minneapolis
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  Speaker 3: and Portland shootings. I thought the Portland shooting, the guy
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  Speaker 3: was shot in the leg and survived. Is there not
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  Speaker 3: that need of vigil But anyway, sorry, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just to die. And he's also not a person.
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  Speaker 3: So uh well, I mean no, it wasn't the it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't the Ice, the ICE agent.
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  Speaker 1: But of course, yeah, it's probably because he didn't die.
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  Speaker 1: But I think also because it's not politically valuable, so
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  Speaker 1: like they don't they can't use it. It's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like what why is it there?
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  Speaker 2: This whole what's her name again? Good? Good good?
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  Speaker 1: They pounced on it primarily, but she was a queer woman,
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  Speaker 1: so if she wasn't a woman there, it wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: been as handy. There are probably a lot of injuries,
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  Speaker 1: uh that are, and probably some serious ones on both sides.
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  Speaker 2: But because most of the people involved.
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  Speaker 1: In our men are men, it doesn't it doesn't doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have any like gravitas. It's not emotionally useful, so they
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  Speaker 1: don't they ignore it. So yeah, that's probably why that
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  Speaker 1: guy who got shot on the.
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  Speaker 2: Leg, they were like whatever, it's just a dude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean they're there, they looks like they're
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  Speaker 3: doing vigils. They're probably folding it into the Renee Goods
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  Speaker 3: situation as well. But yeah, that's that generally, that's true.
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  Speaker 3: If if it had been an ICE off who had died,
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  Speaker 3: nobody would care. It would be folded into workplace death
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  Speaker 3: statistics that feminists try to hide anyway. So no harm,
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  Speaker 3: no foul, apparently. So protests and visuals connected to the
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  Speaker 3: Minneapolis and Portland shootings are planned under way in other
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  Speaker 3: major cities, including Los Angeles, Portland, and East Coast. Hubs
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  Speaker 3: often clustered around ICE officials or federal courts. Okay, so
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  Speaker 3: we have some clips that I wanted to go through
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  Speaker 3: today about you know, just what's going on, what ICE
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  Speaker 3: is up to, and do you wanna like there was
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  Speaker 3: there were three that I was looking at, but there
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  Speaker 3: are there's a couple of compilations that are interesting, but
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  Speaker 3: two that I think are really critical, and one is
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  Speaker 3: and correct me if I'm wrong. I'm going to summarize
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  Speaker 3: it just off the top of my head. One is
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  Speaker 3: a situation where five men were having a kind of
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  Speaker 3: like an informal get together or meeting, and they were
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  Speaker 3: all part of the software industry, and protesters are ICE
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  Speaker 3: anti anti ICE. Protesters identified these men as potential ICE
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  Speaker 3: agents and then started to surround the coffee shop where
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  Speaker 3: they were having a meeting. And one of the interesting
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  Speaker 3: aspects of this, which we will go through, is that
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  Speaker 3: one of these men apparently was himself anti ICE, and
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  Speaker 3: as a result of this situation, he has been reconsidering
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  Speaker 3: his position. So do we do you want to pull
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  Speaker 3: that one?
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  Speaker 1: This clip here put up by clown World on x yes,
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  Speaker 1: and I won't read the well, I'll read the description
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  Speaker 1: man in Minneapolis being confronted and labeled a Nazi.
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  Speaker 3: Over a No, No, that's not the right one.
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  Speaker 2: That's a different one.
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  Speaker 3: This is the second one, the first one.
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  Speaker 2: Where's the okay you gotta which link is the one
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  Speaker 2: we are our?
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  Speaker 3: The DM I share with Brian is so freaking clogged
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  Speaker 3: with stuff that sometimes it can be very difficult to here.
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  Speaker 3: Here you go, this will give you this will give
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  Speaker 3: you a direct link to the message, so you can
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  Speaker 3: load that up. So apologies, guys, it's just a yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of information, respectively sifting through. So go ahead,
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  Speaker 3: go ahead and put that up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna put it up here, all right. So
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  Speaker 2: this is it Alpha news.
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  Speaker 1: Tech workers say that we're mistaken for ice agents accosted
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  Speaker 1: by anti ice mob.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: So let's take a look at this. I will full
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  Speaker 1: screen it too. Okay, there's no sound. Hold on, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta do this. I gotta do this thing where I
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  Speaker 1: refresh it, stop sharing and reshare.
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  Speaker 2: So just give me a second. I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: Mm okay, shoot hold on this over again just a second.
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  Speaker 2: I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it's just like the video Ninja is great, but
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  Speaker 1: it does have this thing where if you put up
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  Speaker 1: a web page and you it's idle for too long,
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  Speaker 1: and well, it will stop sharing the audio for that,
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  Speaker 1: so you have to like do it over again.
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't take it doesn't take a second.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I mean this is this's gotta be the
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  Speaker 1: funniest thing.
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  Speaker 5: You feel, so clear, we do a custers.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit of an echo. There's a bit of
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  Speaker 3: an echo going on.
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  Speaker 2: Are you getting an echo?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting it, a bit of an echo.
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  Speaker 3: But I just wanted to also point out what he said,
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  Speaker 3: we do apps these are. Okay, you want to know
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  Speaker 3: what demographic these guys are, I'll give you. Why don't
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  Speaker 3: you guess, Brian? What demographic these They are?
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  Speaker 2: Straight white men? Allison?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, well they might not be straight white men.
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  Speaker 3: You never know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're they're they're at least coded straight white men.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, of course, because gay men are the straight
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  Speaker 3: men of gay people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, like, let's just be real, like,
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  Speaker 2: odds are they're straight?
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  Speaker 5: Like that?
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  Speaker 1: Odds three more straight dudes than not straight dudes, like
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  Speaker 1: they're But the point is is that in the eyes
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  Speaker 1: of these protesters, they see some white guys hanging out,
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  Speaker 1: and it immediately puts them in a category.
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  Speaker 2: Right according to the progressive stat.
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  Speaker 1: Male white suspicion, you know, probably straight unless they're like,
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  Speaker 1: unless they're wearing feather boas and like booty shorts and
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  Speaker 1: they're singing girl and wearing eyeliner or something, they're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna call them straight because you have to be like,
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  Speaker 1: you can't just be gay, you have to be out
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  Speaker 1: all the way, you know. So yeah, otherwise you're just
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  Speaker 1: another straight guy to them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're absolutely right. So this is this is
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  Speaker 3: just five guys at a coffee shop at a table.
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  Speaker 3: So it's an unsanctioned gathering of white men, essentially, an
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  Speaker 3: unsanctioned gathering of white men, and it's immediately suspect as
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  Speaker 3: apparently a potential ice gang in they these individuals territory,
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  Speaker 3: so they have to respond like a out of control
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  Speaker 3: immune system to this. This this irritant, and this isn't
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  Speaker 3: this isn't the only one. But let's let's finish this off.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, do you want to look like a.
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  Speaker 3: Totally yes, you look like an ice agent suit, dude,
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  Speaker 3: because you are probably a white man between the ages
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  Speaker 3: of eighteen and fifty four, which is which is which
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  Speaker 3: is ice coated. Now, let's face it, a white man
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  Speaker 3: between the ages of like, well, maybe maybe twenty five
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  Speaker 3: and forty five. If you're a white man between the
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  Speaker 3: ages of twenty five and forty five, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 3: what you're wearing, or what you're doing, or if you're
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  Speaker 3: drinking YOU'REBA mate, you are now considered a suspect ICE agent.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder why, I wonder how this is all collapsed
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  Speaker 3: into that? Hey, how did how did that all collapse
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  Speaker 3: down into every every one of those guys in my comments,
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  Speaker 3: although I think errors might be a woman, every one
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  Speaker 3: of those guys in my comments, all of you arguing
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  Speaker 3: that ice you know, they deserve it or whatever else, Well,
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  Speaker 3: you're basically arguing that you should be under suspicion at
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  Speaker 3: this point that if you're just a white dude between
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  Speaker 3: the ages of twenty five and fifty or forty five,
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  Speaker 3: that you should be under suspicion that you should be
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  Speaker 3: targeted because you are now a well you're ICE adjacent.
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  Speaker 3: Let's face it, right, Brian, You're part of the white patriarchy,
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  Speaker 3: so you're ICE adjacent. You can do performative virtue all
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  Speaker 3: you like. But we all know what demographic is most
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  Speaker 3: likely to be racist, don't we. We all know what
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  Speaker 3: demographic is most likely to be anti anti immigration, don't we.
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  Speaker 3: So you can be as much of an ally as
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  Speaker 3: you want and it won't defend you from being targeted
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  Speaker 3: in the moment. And that's what this is show. Let's
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  Speaker 3: finish it off.
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  Speaker 2: This is what.
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  Speaker 5: It's not. There's no relationship where you guys are at
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  Speaker 5: okay the way.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to enjoy while you're eating your lunch
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  Speaker 3: while white male and unaffiliated. I mean, at this point,
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  Speaker 3: if you're white male and unaffiliated, your white your ICE adjacent.
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  Speaker 3: People think that I'm like being I'm exaggerating. But how
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  Speaker 3: did this happen? How did an anti ICE mob descend
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  Speaker 3: on I don't know if it was a coffee shop
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  Speaker 3: or a lunch place, just because there was a group
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  Speaker 3: of five men eating at a table who happened to
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  Speaker 3: be white men. How did that happen? How did the
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  Speaker 3: threat detection decide that this was a problem?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: What were they queuing too? What were they being triggered by?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think about that? Okay, so you any thoughts
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  Speaker 3: Brian before we read.
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  Speaker 1: The well, I mean, I will say the only thing
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  Speaker 1: I'll say is that this is not new.
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  Speaker 2: This is the progressive stack in action.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem with these these men was even though
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  Speaker 1: they weren't Ice, and even though they were not I
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  Speaker 1: don't even think they were anti Ice because the guy
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  Speaker 1: technically said I don't support them, which means, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's sort of like, you know, against it, but
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  Speaker 1: not he doesn't feel strongly enough to go out in
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  Speaker 1: the streets and like you know, protests or whatever, probably
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  Speaker 1: because he has a job and he had to do
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  Speaker 1: his job. Like that's why he was like, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to enjoy my lunch, because he's just living his life.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people that have an opinion on
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  Speaker 1: this either way, they're generally busy. They have jobs, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the people who are protesting don't have jobs,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean they have obviously the free time to
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  Speaker 1: do that, so you know, that's that's part of it too.
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  Speaker 1: But I think what the what the protesters were angry
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  Speaker 1: about when they first Yes they did have that conclusion,
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  Speaker 1: but again they have been conditioned to find men and
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  Speaker 1: white men in particular suspicious period. So like it gets
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  Speaker 1: presented this way on the media. It's like a twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hour meat news cycle that's just constantly churning out
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  Speaker 1: this narrative.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's new.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just this is just what the purpose
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  Speaker 1: of the progressive stack is is to essentially like alien a,
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  Speaker 1: exclude and criminalize men, but particularly white men. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why these women, who are probably white women, were completely
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  Speaker 1: okay with it. And so when that didn't work out,
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  Speaker 1: I think that what came next was they were like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not, if you claim that you're not one
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  Speaker 1: of them, then why aren't you out here with us?
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  Speaker 1: Which is why they made that. They said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're either with us or against us. So basically there
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  Speaker 1: is no indifferent position. You can't be you can't even
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  Speaker 1: be like passively supportive. You can't be like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate what you guys are doing, but I got
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  Speaker 1: to go. I got my own personal responsibilities. I got
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  Speaker 1: my own personal stuff going on. They're gonna be like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you don't. That obviously means you don't care because you haven't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, essentially thrown your.
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  Speaker 2: Life away to support us.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's where that's where that whole you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're either with us or you're against us comes from.
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  Speaker 1: That's why these guys are tarred with suspicion. And I
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  Speaker 1: hope that those guys reconsider I really do, because these
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  Speaker 1: people are not their friends at all, They are their enemy.
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  Speaker 3: And look at the situation, these are just what was there?
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  Speaker 3: What was their crime. According to these they were.
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  Speaker 2: Just being in public.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and probably Latino men would probably be eventually folded
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  Speaker 3: into that might be a little harder to do black men.
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  Speaker 3: But if because again that.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen that, we've seen that, like you know, Latino
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  Speaker 1: men they are the enemy because they came out in
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  Speaker 1: record numbers in the last election, So they're no longer
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  Speaker 1: protected anymore, unless, of course illegals, in which case they are.
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  Speaker 2: But like the legal Latinos, no, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that the racial thing is just like
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  Speaker 1: it adds a little bit of a wrinkle, but it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really stop anything, because really what it comes down
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  Speaker 1: to is, you know, are you serving our cause ideology
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  Speaker 1: or our cause or not?
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  Speaker 2: And if you are, then you're you're allowed in.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, this is conditional that you continuously prove
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  Speaker 1: yourself and if you are not, then you are basically
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  Speaker 1: not human.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, but what I wanted to point out
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: is that this is this is this is the targeting
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: of a particular demographic, and it's targeting because these are
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: men who are not obviously aligned with them, And this
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: is targeting men. So it's becoming a situation where men
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: can't be in public specifically, if you're white men, you
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: might get away with it if you are other men
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: of other races are obviously gay. But men can't be
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: in public unless they affiliate with this side, and if
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: they don't, they're going to be targeted, right, And even
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: if they do, they can still be targeted. So what
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I'm saying is that at a fundamental level, at a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: fundamental kind of knee jerk level, these people have declared
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: who their enemy actually is. Let's be honest, right, white
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: men in particular and all men in universal at some point, okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: you know, and and that, and that's what this shows. Yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: what was their great crime? What got them targeted? Five
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: white men in public having lunch, that's what got And
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: they had laptops apparently, Oh boy, geez, that's that's really that's.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Really do a fascism.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were gonna do those, form.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: A firing squad of laptops of aggressive coding or something.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But I just want you to note that, like this,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: this is illustrating who is considered outside of their or
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: in the sights of their threat narrative, right, who has
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: to make an effort to show they aren't deserving of violence.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Who has to make an effort to show that they
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: actually belong, who is eventually going to have to wear
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: gang colors so they aren't assaulted in public. That that
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: right here you can see exactly who is outside of
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: their circle of acceptable. Now let's go actually, let's read
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the Let's read through the tweet because I think it's
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: really interesting. So you read the first first, uh, first sentence,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: go read the whole thing, and then we'll go to
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the next tweet.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: This right here, what yeah, yeah, sure.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: What began as a casual lunch between five Twin City
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: software engineers quickly escalated into a frightening encounter after the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: men were misidentified as undercover federal agents and protesters were
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: alerted to the Minneapolis restaurant where they were dining. Alpha
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: News obtained video and spoke with one of the men, Lee,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a software engineer from Plymouth, who described how the situation unfolded.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Lee said the group was eating lunch at Clancy's Deli
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: near thirty eighth Street and Grand Avenue South, when one
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: of the men, who belongs to an anti ice signal chat,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: received a message from a group labeled sw Minneapolis Rapid Response,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: claiming that Plaine clothsed ICE agents were dining at the restaurant.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: My friend was shocked.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Lee said, he's on the anti ICE side politically. He
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: lives nearby, he's eaten there before, and suddenly he's seeing
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: messages saying we're Ice. The software engineers, all white males,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: dressed casually and sweatshe shirts and jackets, were soon confronted
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: by Sorry, this thing started playing again for some reason.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's just yes x. Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: All white males dress casually and sweatshirts and jackets were
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: soon confronted by protesters, who surrounded the restaurant, shouting insults
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and blowing whistles in their ears as they attempted to leave.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: According to Lee, Lee emphasized the Alpha News that the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: group's political views were mixed, but said the encounter left
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: some of them reconsidering their positions. One of us is
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: pro ICE, one anti anti ICE, others on the fence.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: He said, after this, I think some of them are
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: rethinking everything.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Well, and then you just you just justified why you
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: were targeted by saying that one of you was anti
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the idea that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: There was even a mix at the table, that that
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: makes that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: You just you just justified why why the anti ice
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: protesters targeted you. We got somebody from the special chat.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: His name is Doc Gadget eleven, and he says, imagine
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: if those five dudes was was any other demographic, would
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: those people act the same way? The answer is yes
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: they would. No, the answer is no, they wouldn't. Do
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: you honestly think that this lunch place didn't have people
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: of other demographics in tables eating in plain clothes. Yes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: it was like a lot. It's it's a it's a cafe,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: not a cafe here, it's like a deli or something.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: It's a place where people eat lunch in plain clothes
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in groups. Like think about this guy. They were targeted
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: of all you think in Minneapolis there aren't groups of
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: women eating lunch in plain clothes. I'm sure there are
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: even more groups of women out in Minneapolis, groups of
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: five women. When when I go to the city and
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: we go and have lunch, and we sit down in
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: a deli or a restaurant or maybe a fast food joint,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: or maybe maybe we'll have like some kind of nibbles
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: in like Starbucks or whatever. When we sit down, guess
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: who is occupying most of the other tables, women in
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: groups in playing clothes. And yet it was not women
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: in groups in plain clothes that these anti ice protesters targeted.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It was five white men in plain clothes having lunch together.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Because that is not allowed, that is considered suspect by
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: their threat detection algorithms. Let's put it that way, like
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: that what they think is instinctively suspect and potentially a problem.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: So they are indeed targeting a particular demographic and in
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: particular groups of that particular demographic. And also they had
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: they were laptopping menacingly, So you know, you got to
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: go after these guys. And don't give me this crap
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: that they would have gone after any demographic. If they
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: were going after every single five woman group like lunch
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: group in Minneapolis, I think they would have been very busy,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: and there would have been a lot. There have been
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of evidence of it. But somehow this is
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the only one. Mm Okay, all right, So why don't
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: we pull up because this is even more telling. Let's
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: pull up the next one, the one that you originally.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Had, the clown World one.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I got I got a super chowd from
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Albatross for five dollars. He did not include any message
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to go along with it. So if you meant to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: say something albatross, oh, he says, if it doesn't read,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I said, activists focus more brain power on the goings
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: on of white people than actual white supremacists. Well there
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: isn't really a distinction, and a lot of in a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: lot of cases, and again especially when it comes to men,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: because like this is why so often white women are
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the sort of like self appointed heroes of the story,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and so they basically go after the white men like
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they feel like they're the only ones that can really
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: do it. So yeah, but anyway, so let's go on
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to the next one. This is a clown world, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it says man in Minneapolis being confronted and labeled a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Nazi over alledged support for ICE before being assaulted and
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: knocked out. Moments later, someone in the crowd shouts, he's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: one of us, appearing to realize they attacked one of
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: their own. So another case of mistaken identity because some
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: dude just got jumped suddenly again, I gotta do the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: sound sorry, guys.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine, We'll wait through the mini technical difficulties.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: All right, there we go we're back, all right.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, good lord?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: What would have happened if he wasn't.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: They could have beat him to death, Allison. If they did,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't hear anything about it. It wouldn't be news.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know, just a man who cares about them.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: And honestly, he sort of deserved it because he wasn't
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: clearly delineating his affiliation in public, and he wasn't clearly
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: showing that he was anti ice in public. Any kind
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: of dude or white adjacent dude that's walking in public
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: without clearly putting on the anti ice burka deserves to
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: get his ass kicked.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: This is why, like you know, we used to have
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: like standard bearers, so we knew like what, you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: what force they were with.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And these guys just need.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Standard bearers and flags and banners and stuff so that
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: we don't so that they who is a human and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: who is not.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and at that point, basically we're talking about insurrection.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: We're already talking about insurrection, we're like running it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: At that point, it's likely no denial.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's taking a little too long
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to crack down anyway, But I understand that, you know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: there's like there's there's a there's a process you have
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to do. You can't just like just go in, right,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And but I do think that something is going to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: happen like this is just that there's definitely gonna be
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: uh consequences and repercussions.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But let's finish this clip. Now.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Is this ice or are these just the cops because
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: it looks like they're coming that to help this guy.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but is that Honestly, yes, they they stopped
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: attacking him, but considering that they attacked him in the
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: first place, it probably is a good idea to get
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: him out of there and get him to some somebody,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: like some medical attention. Right. And the other thing is,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: you know, he looks like he got a concussion. I'm
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: pretty he was on the ground.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they he was on the ground. He was
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: he was obviously stunned. He couldn't really stand well, he
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: was like concussed or something.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So yeah, And when when you're in like a situation
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: of that and everybody is like really high keyed, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: there is a there is the push to like justify
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the violence that you just engaged in. If he says
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the wrong thing, they might turn on him again, right,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: and if he's if he's if he's stunned, he's probably
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: not really fully aware of his faculties. So the fact
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: that the police got in there, got rid of them
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: or ice or whatever, this is probably the police, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: then pulled him out of that is probably a good
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: thing because.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: That's probably why they jumped in because they may have
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: seen this crowd staying around this guy that was like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: barely able to stand, and they thought, well, this guy's
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: getting assaulted.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: So yeah, all right, back up, yes, say you're Nazi?
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: What I mean, you're not even go get him some help.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So now, so now this guy, even though he said
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he was one of them, because the police came, or
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Ice came maybe, uh, and they helped this guy up.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Now this guy's a Nazi because he's getting help from Nazis,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you see. So now they're calling him one health There.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: No got done.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Lord, You guys almost beat someone to death through your
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: fucked up threat detection who potentially could have been on
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: your side. So you are literally in a situation where
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: your threat detection is so fucked up it's just like
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: pinging on every white man in the freaking vicinity. But
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: guess what, most of you are like you're you're a
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: bunch of disaffected white men who are using violence to
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: try to find an identity. You're trying to go and
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: find a man to beat to death in order to
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: feel like you belong right. This is this is the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: insanity of this. It's like we're watching we're speed running
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the French terror here, like, woh.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Well, if you if you kill enough, maybe as a
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: white man, if you kill enough other white men, you'll
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: be able to like ascend, yeah, beyond being another white guy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll be able to ascend. You know. It's funny
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: because I've recently been looking into and reading, yeah, a
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: book called Gate to Women's Country, which was written by
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: a feminist, and it pretty much lays out this entire
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: kind of mental landscape that they want men to occupy.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: So they have these two groups of men. One are
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: what they call well warriors, and they live in a
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: supposed honor culture, which actually isn't It's just it's a
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: it's very violent. There's no real kind of loyalty or anything.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: It's just an incredibly violent, uh culture of men. And
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: then there's this other group of men they call servitors,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: and they are the men because they force their boys
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the women's town. There's like women's town, and then there's
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the garrison, and then there are the men who are
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: allowed back into women's town. When they leave the garrison,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: the warriors garrison, they come back and I don't know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: they go through some ritual humiliation, they beg for forgiveness,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: and they're allowed to position as a servitor, which is
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: a man who's completely sacrificed every single bit of his autonomy,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: but at the same time is intensely violent. And the
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: justification for this entire chicanery because there's this cabal of
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: women who set it all up. They set up the garrison,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: so they set up the rules of the warriors that
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: they then use as evidence why men need to be
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: put in a position where they have no autonomy. But
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: they set up the example of the men like so
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: they say, well, men are like this, but they're the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: ones who constructed the example. It's exactly what you were
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: talking about, Brian. They look at feminist literature or feminist
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: productions like TV about what men are and they say, well,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: men are like this. That's why it's justified that we
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: take away their autonomy. Same difference with this book, they
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: created the bad men, which they then use to justify
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: taking away men's autonomy. But what's interesting about the servitors
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: is that they are actually intensely violent, like absolutely, So
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: it wasn't men's violence that the women in this feminist
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: dystopia wanted to get rid of. They wanted to get
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: rid of men's autonomy and deciding how to employ their
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: violence so that they turned these men into these instruments
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of violence which they controlled, they directed, and they did
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: so by removing men's identity, like a sense that they
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: had any legitimacy as a person. And so they created
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: these incredibly violent men who in a lot of ways
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: seem to live for killing other men. Right, And this
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: is what we're seeing. That's what you just saw. These
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: are a bunch of men who've had their precariousness, what
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: they call precarious men, who had weaponized against other men.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Why did they Why did they target that guy because
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: just he was They.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Would say that it was because he was wearing camouflage.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: So they thought like, oh, he must be ice because
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: he was he had like a cameo jacket on.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: That's what I think, But.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: No, I know, it's just like a it's like a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: surface level thing. But I mean also, you know, he
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: was also a white dude, Like that's yes, a lot
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: of ice officers are minority men, but because they're wearing
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean like a lot of them.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but but but that's not how ice officers are coded.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: First of all, there's also female ice officers. But who's
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: getting attacked? White men? Oh yeah, because they are coded
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: as being the ones who are evil. They are coded
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: as being white adjacent. That dude was not just attacked
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: because he was in camo. It was a combination of
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: being in camo and being white, which there are a
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: lot of guys who wear camo, A lot of guys
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: who aren't even on the right who wear camo, and
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: those guys.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: A right wing thing is just camo.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: And the guy and that guy who was attacked, right,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: he was those that that group of men. Why were
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: they attacked? They were completely in plain clothes. They were
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: attacked because they were a group of men in public
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: having lunch in plain clothes and menacingly losing their laptops.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: But they were attacked because they were white men in public,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: menacingly using their laptops. And I'm not saying this because
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I'm like a white nationalist. I'm saying
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: this because this particular narrative, that's who their black category is.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: That's the category of people that has to justify to
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: them why they get to exist in public right, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: has to be really careful about how they signal in
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: public because this dude who apparently was one of their
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: own until he was taken away by the police, in
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: which case he became a Nazi. God knows what that means,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: but anyway, he ended up slipping into the black category
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: simply by because he had a camel jacket on, right,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: What kind of mistake is that? What kind of trigger
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: is that? If you're a white dude in public and
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you make the least amount of mistake, you were suddenly
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: the enemy and you are going to be hunted down
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: by other white dudes who are going to beat the
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: shit out of you and maybe kill you, like and
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: that that whole scene where he's like, oh, this guy's
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: one of us. God forbid, he had actually not been
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: what the hell would have happened then, or he hadn't
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: had somebody to speak up, and maybe in the heat
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: of the moment realized Oh shit, I don't want to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: see this guy get murdered in front of me, ganked
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: in front of me. I'll just like he's one of us,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: to stop this. Like if he hadn't had either he
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: hadn't either at being one of them, or had someone
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: willing to speak up and say, hey, he's one of
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: us in order to protect him, what the hell would
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: have happened? Right? What would they have done with this
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: threat response that's triggered to Hey, that's a white dude,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: maybe wearing the wrong thing, or using a laptop, menacingly
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: in public, or being in a group of other white
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: dudes like these are pretty The thing is that a
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: white man in public, or a man in public I guess,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: if I guess it's a black man and he looks
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: particularly military, or a Latino man who looks particularly cop like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: you know, they might also be pulled it in. But
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: it seems like that white men are automatically under suspicion.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: You know, I've said white man so many times in this,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, this is their threat profile. This
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: is their threat profile. And let's be honest. The reason
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: why it's white men is because white men are the
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: men of men.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, white men are the straight men of men.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: They are the they are the most privileged. That's what
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: it is. It's the it's just a progressive stack. You
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: remember the progressive stack. You remember the most patriarchal, the.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: White checklist, the white you remember the white coded or
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: privileged checklist.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, a while.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Back and you commented and you said, this is just men,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: this is just masculinity.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: There was a list of white things, but most of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: it was masculine things. Yes, I remember, Yeah, all masculine things,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: with maybe very few exceptions.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So if you're if you're a Latino man,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: you're not actually a man, You're just something else, I guess,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: because you can't. You can only be a man, truly
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: a man, if you're white.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I think there is a suggestion though, too, in that
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: list of whiteness. There is a suggestion that if you
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: are not a white man, but a man of a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: different race, that you are expected to not behave in
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the ways on this list because you're perpetuating whiteness, which
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: means it's not just attacking white men for their identity,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: but it's also telling non white men or all other
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: men that they have to alter their nature so that
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: they are not becoming light white men. So this is why,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what I'm saying, but
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: like black men can't be men either, because that's basically
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: perpetuating whiteness. According to that or whatever, it is like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: essentially a structure, a kind of property that these women
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: don't have. So like they attack masculinity, and I have
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a clip of a woman that she's an absolute witch,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: but they attack masculinity and call it attacking something that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they think might be seen as a little bit less insidious.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: So like, if you're a like, say you're a black
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: guy or a Latino guy, and you see a journalist
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: saying that we have to deconstruct whiteness, you might shrug
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and say, well, they're not talking about me, but they
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: are talking about you. They're just not saying it's you
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: because when you look at what it is, they're actually
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: going after it's masculinity, but they're calling it white because
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it's safer to attack that. That's what I'm saying, right,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And now it seems weird because you think that masculinity
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: itself is the safest thing, but these people believe that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you can use your race as a shield to protect
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: yourself at least to some degree where you can't be criticized.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: But what they do is they criticize everything that you
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: are with saying it's without saying it's you. So and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you'll see that because when BLM and I use BLM's
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: mission statement all the time, even though BLM itself is
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, like not relevant, although
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: it's not gone, because the mission statement is the same.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: No matter what you call the group, it's always like,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you know, what is it tearing down the the patriarchal
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: idea of the family with the father as the head.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's always about removing men, removing masculinity, And they
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: just call it something else.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: They'll say, no, no, no, we're going after white people.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: And then and the black guys like, oh, well okay then,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: but they're not they're going after you.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: They've already gone after you.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: You can't see your kids, you don't know who, you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: don't know if those kids are yours, right, So like
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: we have to like get past that and look at
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it for what it really is.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: So some albatross says, I'm a straight black guy, So
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: am I still a guy? Are queer? They them, Well,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: the problem is that if you're a man, uh, your
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: masculinity is coded white. So as long as you act masculine,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: you are the white men of black people.
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Remember they said, stay, black men are the white people
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: of black people.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was on the route they were just telling you. So, yeah,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: they have it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: They already have a cast system, and they're just playing
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: word games and rhetorical tricks to get people to like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: go along with it. But but you're also their enemy
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: just as much.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I know you know that.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but yeah, it's it's just rhetorical. But uh,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: did you read Albatross's super Chowel because I know it's
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: a little complex.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Well then he said another one because I read did
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: he send another one? No? I didn't get another one.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I read the comment that was already attached to the previous.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, it just didn't show up. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: just wanted to check.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, I did it earlier. But okay, so what.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I wanted to get at is the group of people
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: with no plausible deniability and this these people's threat narrative
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: is white man. And I mean maybe it requires an
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: additional trigger like wearing camouflage or or being in a group.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's looking like it's there.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Just maybe it just makes a good excuse. That's that's
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: why I'm saying, Like like.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: They were, they were on the streets looking for somebody's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: ass to kick, Yeah, and they chose him because probably
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: compared to anyone else who was on the street, he
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: looked the most suspicious to them, and so being a
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: white dude was the primary thing that they looked at.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: And then they just narrowed it down further and they said, well,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: he's wearing camouflage, so you know orders or like the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: colors were similar, because I don't know, if you know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the the Ice agents that came out and saved him,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: they were wearing like tan, you know, kind of like
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: war like earth tones as well.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: So maybe they were just like, oh, this is this
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: is the same thing. But anyway, it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter it did it was originally or primarily because
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: he was a white guy. Primarily because he was a guy.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and uh, I just wanted to point
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I just want you guys to situate that in your minds,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: this is their threat profile. This is the out group, right, Okay,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: this is their outgroup men white men, but only because
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: white is like saying man men like it's it's like man,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you know, you got men and then you got whiteness,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: which is just like more men. It's like adding man
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: to man, so you just get like double man, man
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: squared white is man squared.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So that's why they that's why that's the
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: out group, that's why that's the black category, and that
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: is specifically what their threat response is keep which is
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: really crazy because you're looking at this and it's basically
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: white men trying to lynch other white men. M Uh,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to. I don't like I'm
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: laughing but also crying a little inside. And it again,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: it's that servitor masculinity. It's that masculinity in that denies
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: itself and delights in murdering other men in it, either
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: socially or physically, because it's it's an expression of not
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: being being the one good man. If the best way
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: to be the one good man is to just murder
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: every other man, just beat the shit out of every
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: other man, that's the best way to be the one
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: good man. That's the best way to justify why you
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: should be the one to you know, get something or
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: at least be justified to continue to exist. All right,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: So did you want to show the spot? You spoke
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: of a woman who was particular.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Yet it has it doesn't have anything.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: To do with these protests, but I could show you.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is a conversation going on with this woman.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I got I just got to
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: look for it really quick in my Yeah, here it
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: is Jennifer Welch is her name, and she she basically
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: just goes after masculinity. So I want to show this.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Let me see, hopefully the audio plays.
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: We have to go after these maga men. One example
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: would be Jesse Waters. This man talks incessantly about masculinity.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: Joe Biden is not masculine because he sucks on soup.
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: What kind of man sucks on a straw? He goes
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: on and on and on so much about the idealized man.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: And that's a part of fascism, this, you know, propelling
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: this form of toxic masculinity. Why are you so obsessed.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: With okay, okay, stop here, toxic masculinity that means all masculinity,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: all right. I don't know what he's taught talking about
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: with Biden's soup sucking soup through a straw. That sounds
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: like a joke. But when they talk about toxic masculinity,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: and I have challenged these people over and over and
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: over again to identify anything positive that they associate with
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: men in masculinity in the same way that they associate
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: negative things, and they can't. So when they mean toxic masculinity,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: they don't mean a subset of masculinity. They mean that
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: all masculinity is toxic, all of it because they don't
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: recognize anything unique about men or masculinity. That's good. They
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: can't because that would mean that women don't have it,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: and then that would be that would be just misogyny.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: So they can't. Like, literally, this woman can't. I bet
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: if I asked her, she couldn't identify a single positive
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: masculine thing, And in fact, she would probably identify the
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: desire to have some unique masculine value proposition as itself
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: being toxic toxic masculinity. And of course I'm expressing internalized
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: misogyny when I point that out. So when they say, oh,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: they this is about toxic, No, they mean this is
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: about masculinity period. This individual that she's talking about Now,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I may disagree with him about how he defines masculinity maybe,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: but I doubt that I would disagree with him on
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: the idea that there is positive things that are men masculine.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Right now, the way that she's talking about this, she
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: is pointing to this man and he and what she
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: really has a problem with because again she uses the
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: term toxic masculinity, which means all masculinity is toxic. The
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: thing that she really has a problem with is the
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: idea that this man allows that there's any legitimacy to men,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: that men actually are a legitimate category of being right,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: that men can just exist without constantly having to serve
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: something in order to be decent or acceptable, Like they
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: don't have to constantly be at like denying themselves and
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: their own existence as men in order to be esthetically
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: pleasing to her. That's what she has a problem with,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: that men have any autonomy at all, like that men
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: recognize that they might have some kind of value that
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: she doesn't control by saying where it exists. That's the
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: problem she has. And I know it because I have
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: heard women like this constantly talking about the things that
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: they talk about, and I know why they attack particular men.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: They attack them because those men are asserting that there
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: is something valuable about masculinity and being a man, that
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: there is something good. She's not really attacking him because
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: he says that a man can't drink through a straw.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Because she certainly would believe that masculinity is very conditional,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: but her condition is that it always exists in a
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: state of precariousness and a state of trying and supplication
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: to whatever thing that she thinks it should be. All right,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: you can finish it. I will keep my hat if
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong about this one.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: No, no, you're not wrong.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: This woman has advocated murder of her political enemies so
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: on a podcast, and she still has a show, doesn't
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: get banned or censored off of anything.
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: Form of toxic masculinity. Why are you so obsessed with men,
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: Jesse Waters, what's all that about? Why are you so
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: obsessed with trans people? Why are you thinking about genitals
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: all the time? Kind of flip the script.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: We have to go after.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I'm pausing at Yeah, this is the thing that they
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: do where, uh, if a man talks about masculinity, they
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: just say, oh, you're gay. That's that's what she's doing, which,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: by the way, hilariously of course, because this is how
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: these people are.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Suddenly gay is not like.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: A protected class anymore, because now we're using it as
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: an insult against you. Do you see how they do that?
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: They always do that, right, Well, you just oh you
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: want tredy PTIs, that's all. I don't think Jesse Waters,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's I don't think he's all that controversial.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: He's very milk toast and mainstream. He's on Fox News,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: he's an anchor. He doesn't say anything edgy. He's not
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes, you know, he's not the Tape Brothers. But
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: this woman just hates him, just hates him so well.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Of course they also hate people like me, and I'm
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't care like trans people, not gender,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: non barrant binary, like whatever party of the spectrum you're on.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I still think that men are legitimate again, they should
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: have the right to exist without constantly supplicating to feminists.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: And that gets me, like, and the thing is that
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: way back when I said that the the whole thing
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: about trans identity being conditional on other people's approval is
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: like masculine identity being conditional on other people's approof I
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: remember how pissed feminist got at me because of that,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: because I how dare I make that comparison? How dare
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I make the comparison between the things that trans people
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: experience and the things that men experience in terms of
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: always having to justify themselves to a group of people.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Who is the most strident, bitchy, bad faith human beings
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: in all of human existence? Hell, I think trans women
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: have are trans people probably have it better than that
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: at this point. But regardless, they did not like that.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: They did not like that, Sam I am. That's why
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I'm probably very close to the top in their most
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: hated people list. And I actually, I actually oops, I
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: actually have proof of that.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: I've got like a cup ball of like academic cans
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: clucking over like me being part of the patriarch. It's
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: very interesting. I didn't even know about that.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: But there are definitely female whisper networks on.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. You wake up one night. No it's
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: not X, it's academia.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Or academia, but there, well, how are they talking to
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: each other?
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Are they doing it through thesis? You know?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Okay? Oh, okay, okay.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Through through through articles? And thesis statements.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: and then you win.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, okay, but I just found that it's
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: it's it's not every day you wake up and you
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: find out there's like an academic ecosystem that it has
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: grown up around trying to to say to to pathologize
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: the things that you say instead of actually dealing with
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: them honestly and only because you know you're a woman,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: and they actually recognize that women do have social power
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: that men don't, but they can't take that to the
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: logical conclusion. So while they recognize that I might have
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: power that men don't in this sphere, they can't grapple
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: with how that what that implies about their own theories
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: of reality. So they just have to pathologize and treat
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: me like something that's very dangerous and very disease ridden
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: without recognizing why I'm danger It's a very it's a
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: very interesting type rope that they have to watch walk anyway,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: did you have we done? Have we finished this?
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I just I just wanted to share because
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: it's like it's related.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: No, it is definitely related. Yeah, because let's face it,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: there there is there is a men's rights angle to
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: all of this. And again I wanted to point I
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: use these two videos, the one where they targeted the men,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: the white men, the man squared, the man square, the
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: multiple man squaredes in the in the lunch area where
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: they're eating, and then also targeted is just a man
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: squared on the street who just happened to be wearing camouflage.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I guess he incited that. And I just
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: wanted to point that out because there is there is
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: a group of people that is definitely squarely within their
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: black category that you know, they that is outside of
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: what they think is moral, and it is most definitely male.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: They wouldn't do that to women. They wouldn't do that
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: to white women. It's definitely male. So it's not white,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: it's it's male.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, what do you want to do next?
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: The church?
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Actually, I wanted to just just talk about take this
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: from a different angle, policing around Ice, talk about the
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: general stuff that's happened and my insight into what this implies.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: So the policinger on ICE is being recoded as fascism
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: in a way that that sort of fits the framework
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: that I've been developing around how essentially you take whistle
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: blowing behavior or any kind of policing, and you know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: you have a bunch of steps, and then suddenly they're
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: a Nazi. Right, So you take somebody who's whistleblowing about
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: an institution who is engaging in bureaucratic graft, and then
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: you have a couple of steps and they're a Nazi.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: It's the same kind of dynamic that I was calling
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: out when I did the video CNN where are the
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: where the nazis in Boston. It's just that they declare
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: anything that is critical of the regime to be this
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: black category. But there's particular steps to it. So ultimately
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: what it comes down to is any boundary setting against graft,
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: violence or fraud becomes patriarchal oppression, which is, as you know,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: patriarchal oppression is adjacent to fascism and being a Nazi. Basically,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: if you have a penist, you're probably a Nazi. That's
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: what you're seeing with these how these people were these
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: men were targeted while the people and institutions feeding off
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: the chaos claim moral immunity. So we have the nazification
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: of basic enforcement. Protest rhetoric repeatedly equates ICE and routine
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: law enforcement with gestapo, fascist president and thugs treating their
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: very presence in cities as illegitimate, regardless of specific conduct. Now,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: remember you know what ICE was there under Obama, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: in fact he expanded their mandate right and they were
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing. But suddenly it's a problem now
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: in your framework. This is in my framework. This is
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  Speaker 3: the first move. You redefine policing itself as fashion, so
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  Speaker 3: that any investigation of wrongdoing, whether immigrant fraud, benefit fraud,
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  Speaker 3: or outright violent behavior, can be dismissed as patriarchal oppression
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  Speaker 3: rather than oversight. All right, So how this script works
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: on whistleblowers, protest leaders, and allied commentators frame themselves as
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  Speaker 3: standing up to fascist ice attacks on our cities and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: call for getting rid of those thugs, while presenting their
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: own side as structurally incapable of abuse. Once that frame
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  Speaker 3: is in place, anyone who points to protester violence or
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  Speaker 3: graft hotels, storming fireworks at officers, swarming journalist cars, or
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: a church incursion, or even violence against bystanders is easily
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  Speaker 3: cast deciding with fascism or defending patriarchy. This is your
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  Speaker 3: whistle blower. This is the whistleblower to not see pipeline
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  Speaker 3: raise concerns about theft, physical intimidation, or diverse diversion of funds,
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  Speaker 3: and the narrative machine relabels you as a fascist sympathizer.
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  Speaker 3: Now why this happens is simple. This framework is built
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  Speaker 3: on the idea that anything that men do to police
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  Speaker 3: boundaries is illegitimate. It is patriarchal oppression. And this is
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  Speaker 3: like basic feminism. Like the first thing or one of
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  Speaker 3: the first things that feminists did, is they rendered illegitimate
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  Speaker 3: the whole idea of men policing boundaries, like the basic
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  Speaker 3: functions that men do to keep a civilization, to maintain
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  Speaker 3: it and to make sure that it can continue, so
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  Speaker 3: policing immigration enforcement audit like financial audits like and basically
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  Speaker 3: anything that you could see men establishing a boundary and
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  Speaker 3: maintaining it and judging people not buy on what they need,
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  Speaker 3: but by what they are doing, wing right their behavior,
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  Speaker 3: and whether or not it lives up to the kind
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  Speaker 3: of standard necessary for us to have things like peaceful societies,
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  Speaker 3: you know, societies that can have social programs without them
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  Speaker 3: being overloaded by individuals who are going into the system
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  Speaker 3: unfairly and without properly, you know, like they haven't gone
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: through the system, right, So all of this stuff is
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  Speaker 3: stuff that men do. Men tend to do, is they
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  Speaker 3: gauge in altruistic policing in order to maintain the structures
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  Speaker 3: necessary to keep a society working. And what feminism has
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  Speaker 3: done is it has said that that policing is patriarchal control, right,
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  Speaker 3: and it's all suspect as patriarchal control. So any policing
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  Speaker 3: around meritocracy or external standards and expectation is actually patriarchal control. Police,
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  Speaker 3: immigration enforcement, financial audits. Hell, even grammar is patriarchal control
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  Speaker 3: because it's an external standard that people are being held to,
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  Speaker 3: and it's distributing resources and punishment based on that external
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  Speaker 3: standard of merit rather than the way women want it
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  Speaker 3: to be or naturally feel like it should be, which
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  Speaker 3: is distribution based on need, okay, and punishment based on
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  Speaker 3: whether or not you are in the group or out
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  Speaker 3: the outside of the group. And when I say punishment,
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  Speaker 3: I mean lethal enforcement. So if you're outside of the group,
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  Speaker 3: you are subject to being killed or whatever else. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's where that is coming from. And when
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: you have a situation where you have all of these
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  Speaker 3: people who are basically saying that it is illegitimate to
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  Speaker 3: police things like immigration police, things like crime police, things
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  Speaker 3: like bureaucratic graft police, things like grammar like, you basically
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  Speaker 3: are creating a situation where you have no oversight, and
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  Speaker 3: then you construct this this cancer mass mass that the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: immune system can't get into and prevent excesses, theft, violence,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: and all of this other stuff. They can't prevent these
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  Speaker 3: failures of living up to this, these meritocracies that are
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  Speaker 3: required for the running of a society. I'm gonna I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna take a big brief break, brief brief break, and
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  Speaker 3: let Brian tell me if I'm making any sense.
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  Speaker 1: I I mean, I was struggling a little bit following,
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  Speaker 1: but I know, I know what you're you're getting at.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is essentially pushing back against a masculine
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  Speaker 1: way of organizing society, which is one that has boundaries
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  Speaker 1: and rules and laws and they exist to protect people
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  Speaker 1: and keep things moving in a harmonious way. And and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: feminists have reframed all of that to be patriarchal oppression
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  Speaker 1: because everything men build is bad because it's men that
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  Speaker 1: built it, and so you essentially create an atmosphere that
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  Speaker 1: wants to rebel against it. And I think it just
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: to add to that too, I think it's useful for
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: actual revolutionaries that actually want to overthrow the government and
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  Speaker 1: tear everything down, which we have always had in our
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  Speaker 1: midst and they just use this narrative to get that.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that every woman who's out there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: putting their body in the path of ice vehicles, is
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  Speaker 1: like a revolutionary in the sense that they know what
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: they're actually driving towards. But that's the beauty of this
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  Speaker 1: is that you can emotionally possess or emotionally capture enough
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  Speaker 1: people to get them to act on this and make
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  Speaker 1: them feel like they're doing a great heroic thing like
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  Speaker 1: they are you know, the resistance, like they are, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like they're fighting against the mp Hire from Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: like they're fighting against Voldemort, you know. And they will
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  Speaker 1: do it because they want they want that, and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's all it is to satisfy their own.
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  Speaker 2: Vanity, their own vanglory, and their ego.
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  Speaker 3: Well it's also because like Marshall mccluan says, people without
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  Speaker 3: an identity when you strip like an identity, so the
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  Speaker 3: mask and the male and female identity, and you strip
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  Speaker 3: it because you've constructed a framework in which men are
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  Speaker 3: oppressors and women are the oppressed, which is neither identity
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  Speaker 3: is something you want to be. So you don't construct
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  Speaker 3: men and women as having unique strength or weaknesses and
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  Speaker 3: unique ways that they help each other and potentially hinder
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  Speaker 3: each other. You know, you actually constructed in the most
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: toxic way possible. You create generations of people who don't
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  Speaker 3: want to be those things, who don't have an identity
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  Speaker 3: as a result of something that's really fun, fundamental and
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  Speaker 3: almost like transcendent. Like you know, the sex that we
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: are born as is not something selected by human society.
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  Speaker 3: It's something selected by biology and evolution. That is, our
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  Speaker 3: forces that are way beyond us or God, whatever you
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  Speaker 3: want to say, and they and that when we come
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  Speaker 3: together we produce life. That's transcendence. And that's tying our
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  Speaker 3: identities to something that goes well beyond the state or
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: the nation or any of these multiplicity of identities that
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  Speaker 3: we've invented. That's tying it to something that it's bigger
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: than all of us, right, And because we're denied that,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: we become identityless, we become anchorless, and then we become,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: as Michael mccluhan said, Marshall McLuhan said, people without identities
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  Speaker 3: seek belonging or a sense of belonging through violence. So
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  Speaker 3: you strip people of their identity of nature, comfort in
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: their own skin, and then you give them an identity
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  Speaker 3: as a holy warrior against patriarchy, which is also a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: holy warrior against all the things that men do to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: maintain societies. That's policing, that's auditing, that's immigration enforcement. And
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: then there you go. You have a you have a
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  Speaker 3: zealot army at call whenever you want, and against any
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  Speaker 3: kind of oversight. So if you're somebody, for example, if
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  Speaker 3: you are a bureaucrat who wants to open up a
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  Speaker 3: nice fat vein of fraud and live off it for
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  Speaker 3: the rest of your life, then you're going to encourage this.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna and you're going to want a You're going
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  Speaker 3: to want a narrative that oversight itself is illegitimate, that
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: the expectations that people be judged by their actions and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: their behaviors and not their needs is illegitimate. And that's
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: the other thing, like it's this is women saying, and
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: it's it's mostly women. Let's be honest that it is
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  Speaker 3: illegitimate to judge people based on their behaviors to a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: standard and not based on their needs. Right, So if
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: you choose to operate in that male toolkit, you are
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: now illegitimate, and you are now potentially a justified target
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: for violence essentially, but again, very beneficial narrative for anybody
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: who wants to evade being being judged or held account right,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: So how the script worked works on whistleblowers, protest leaders
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: and allied commentators frame themselves as standing up to fascist
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: ice attacks on our cities and call for getting rid
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: of those thugs while presenting their own side. Is structurally
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: and capable of abuse. Once that frame is in place,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: anyone who points to protests or violence or graft hotels,
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  Speaker 3: storming fireworks and officers swarming journal cars or the church
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  Speaker 3: incursion is easily cast with siding with fascism or defending patriarchy,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: because you're defending holding people accountable, which is evil according
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: to feminism. That is your whistleblower, That is the whistleblower
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: to Nazi pipeline raise concerns about theft, physical intimidation or
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: diversion of funds, and the narrative machine relabels you a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: fascist sympathizer because you're supporting judging people by external standards
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: and merit, which is mail coded, which is fascist adjacent
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: case study face ICE protests as procedural immunity. Protesters storming cities.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Church in Saint Paul targeted a pastor they believed headed
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: also has the local ICE field office disrupting worship with
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: ICE out and Justice for Renee Good. The Department of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Justice is now probing for potential civil rights violations against congregants.
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  Speaker 3: Against congregants, I didn't even know that, okay. Within the
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  Speaker 3: activist narrative, that's something that guys look into that because
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: if it's against the congregants, they were the ones who
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: were attacked, so they could be wrong. But whatever. Within
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: the activist narrative, this was reframed as righteous anti fascist action.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Yet it functionally normalizes invading private institutions and religious services
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: whenever someone is perceived as in lined with enforcement, erasing
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: any boundary between political grievance and direct coercion, well, of course,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: I mean it's we've we Apparently this side can justify
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  Speaker 3: killing people for disagreeing. Similarly, the swarming of Nick Sorter's car,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: jumping on the hood, alleged camera theft, dragging incident are
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: justified or downplayed because he's coded as a Nazi Nazi
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: adjacent influencer, not as a civilian or journalist with rights.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: And as we can see, this, this category, this black
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: category of Nazi adjacent or Ice adjacent, you know, it
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: floats around and it coalesces on a particular demographic where
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: graft and theft hide behind the omnipresent fascism language is
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: a concrete material struggle. Non governmental organizations, advocacy groups, and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: local political actors benefit from expanded budgets, contracts, and influence
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: tied to managing perpetual crisis around ice and immigration. And
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: in this particular case, they also benefit from all of
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  Speaker 3: the fraud that's being discovered in Minnesota, the fraud around
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  Speaker 3: food programs for kids, autism programs, daycare programs, care of
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  Speaker 3: your own relative programs. All right, So labeling scrutiny of
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  Speaker 3: these flow, these flows, is punching down or supporting fascist
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  Speaker 3: ice shields bureaucratics and non bureaucratic and nonprofit graph from
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  Speaker 3: normal auditing, anyone who asks where's the money going, who
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  Speaker 3: is actually getting hurt, and who's getting paid can be
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  Speaker 3: folded into the fascist patriarchy, conspiracy or category. All right,
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  Speaker 3: So how the men's rights lens sharpens all of this?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: From a men's rights perspective, the pattern is familiar. The
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: moral vocabulary of safety and protection is used to justify,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: justify asymmetric asymmetrical power. Here are the power of activist
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  Speaker 3: networks and bureaucracies, while male coded roles policing, boundary setting,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: whistle blowing are pathologized as oppressive. And now it's just
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: men who are being pathologized as oppressive or targets or
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: justified targets. The Ice situation shows that when men in enforcement,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: or even male whistleblowers try to stop concrete harms, physical attacks,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: property destruction, financial fraud, they are not evaluated on facts,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: but whether their actions threaten a patronage ecosystem that survives
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: by branding all constraint as fascist. So, once we set
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  Speaker 3: in place the feminist assertion that oversight is masculine, masculinity
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  Speaker 3: is fascist adjacent and any kind of opposition to that
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: is smashing patriarchy. You construct a system where bad actors
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: operate with impunity because they can code any kind of enforcement.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: The any kind of enforcement has to has to deal
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: with being prejudged as patriarchy, and we all know it's patriarchy.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Fuck face. Frame this way. Stop theft Nazi is not
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: a joke line. Stopping theft makes you a Nazi is
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: not a joke line. It's a concise description of how
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: the current ICE protest discourse turns any attempt to police
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: behavior or audit systems into evidence of patriarchal fascism, while
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: leaving the underlying graft and violence structurally protected. So that's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: the ultimate thing. This isn't really about ethics or helping people.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: It's about using a narrative to get the heat off
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: your back so you can continue to operate your criminal
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: schemes without oversight. All right, So here's a rundown of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: the allegations against the Democratic politicians and bureaucrats in Minnesota,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: Governor Tim Waltz and Mayor Jacob Fray Department of Justice obstruction.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: The US Department of Justice is opened a criminal probe
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: into whether Waltz and Frey obstructed federal immigration enforcement through
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: their public statements, potentially violating eighteen USC. Three seven to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: two conspiracy to impede federal officers via force, intimidation and threats.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Waltz labeled ICE a modern day gestapo. Frey called for
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: ICE agents to be removed from Minneapolis and described the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: federal presence as an occupy hind force that has quite
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: literally invaded our city. DHS accused three Democratic Minnesota lawmakers
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: of leading protests to an ICE facility with the explicit
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: goal of hunting down ICE officers. Fran Waltz called the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: investigation politically motivated intimidation meant to silence criticism of federal operations.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so republic Representative, Oh god, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: screw this name up Ilhan Omar ilharn omarilh Omar Fraud
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  Speaker 3: Fraud graft Associations, Trump and Republican officials have repeatedly tied
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: OMAR to the massive fraud scandal in Minnesota's social programs,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: particularly involving Somali American communities. Omar has called the framing
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory and accused authorities of using the fraud
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: investigation to intimidate intimidate immigrant neighborhoods. She claims Democrats do
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: not condone this fraud and corruption. Trump as publicly questioned
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: or immigration stance and accused her of being connected to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: scammers calling for deportation. Okay, this is the underlying fraud
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: Feeding our Future and daycare child nutrition schemes. Federal prosecutors
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: have charged ninety two individuals in a two hundred and
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: fifty to three hundred million fraud scheme tied to the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: nonprofit Feeding Our Future, with fifty one plus convictions so far.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Eighty two of those charged or Somali American, according to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: the US Attorney's Office. Broader estimates suggest fraud losses across
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Minnesota's social programs since eight twenty eighteen could exceed one billion,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: including childcare subsidies and federal nutrition aid. A federal prosecutor
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: says that nearly half of the eighteen buildian in federal
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: aid Minnesota received across eleven programs since twenty twenty one
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: may have been misused. The Trump administration is froze childcare
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: funding for Minnesota, et cetera. Okay, so here's the political dynamic.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: Democratic leaders frame iceces enforcement as fascism and an invasion,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: while critics allege the rhetoric shields bureaucratic graph from oversight,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: So they're not just declaring ICE as fascism, they're also
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: basically declaring the financial oversight and what's going on in
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: Minnesota as fascism. Calls for accountability or audit auditing of
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: fraud ridden programs get folded into the fascist ICE narrative,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: allowing the question where did the money go to be
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: dismissed as racist targeting of immigrant group communities. And again
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: this is women's language. What does that mean? Racist targeting?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: It means that you are holding they're saying you are
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: holding a vulnerable group to a moral standard. That's what
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: it means. And you're not supposed to do that. You're
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: only supposed to give vulnerable groups resources. And that whole
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: formulation works if you're talking about infants. It doesn't work
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: when you're talking about adults who need to be held
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: to adult standards of ethical comportment. Anyone, whether federal agents, journalists,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: or whistleblowers, who presses on the fraud angle, risks being
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: labeled as aligned with gestapo tactics or patriarchal oppression. All right,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: so what's the deal on Walt's stepping down Walls stepping down.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Walts is not stepping okay, according to this is not
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: stepping down from office. But he has ended his twenty
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: twenty three reelection bid under heavy political investigation and pressure
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: over it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's not stepping down. He's just not running next
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: next time.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know. Welfare fraud scandal. The evidence
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: on him is about oversight failure and tolerated corruption, not
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: approved personal kickback scheme. So it's not that he is
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: necessarily implicated in the fraud. It's thus that somehow this
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: gigantic Katamari ball of grass just appeared under his watch.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: What Waltz has actually done. In early January twenty twenty six,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Waltz announced he would not seek a third term. He
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: has refused to resign and said he will serve out
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: his term, arguing that stepping out of the race lets
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: him focused on defending the people of Minnesota against criminals
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: who prey on our generosity. What the hell does that mean?
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: Evidence and allegation about fraud under his watch. Federal and
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: state investigators describe one of the largest social services fraud
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: scandals in Minnesota history, involving billions and mins used medicaid
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: and welfare funds, and high profile cases like the Feeding
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: Our Future scheme. A House Oversight hearing summary says Minnesota's
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Department of Human Services intentionally backdated documents and paid nearly
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: six hundred and eighty thousand to a guarantee with no
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: evidence of work done and that the state employee approved it,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: then went to work for that same guarantee. Cited as
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: rampant corruption under Governor Tim Waltz's watch, it's hard to
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: argue that you weren't aware of this. GP witnesses told
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: Congress that Waltz was aware of widespread taxpayer fraud for years,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: but it failed to intervene, and Republicans argue he and
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Attorney General Keith Ellison ignored repeated red flags and some
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: mally linked nonprofits and daycare benefits programs and response CMS
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: has paused MEIG and we already covered that this pause
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: Medicaid payments to fourteen Minnesota programs, all right, So he's
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: not personally accused. It's just that he has been so
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: negligent in his duties and making sure that this didn't
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: happen under his watch. And it's just like anybody who
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: is looking at this and Ashley looking at what's going on.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: I know there's a bunch of you who are like,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: oh my god, were anti Ice and whatever? But have
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: you ever stopped and asked yourself. This is a guy
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: who is most likely responsible for incredible negligence under his watch,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: and he has thrown this out, this, this whole, this
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: whole threat narrative around Ice while under investigation, And you
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: don't find that a little bit suspicious, right, I mean,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: that's just him. What about all of the rest of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: these bureaucrats that are responsible for this gigantic rats nest
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: of graft and them throwing out this threat narrative around
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Ice and federal investigations while they're being investigated for stealing
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: from Minnesotan's stealing from American people, Like you don't find
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: that rather convenient. You don't find it convenient that these
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: people are invoking this narrative that any kind of oversight
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: is patriarchal and fascist adjacent, just as the oversight is
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: about to hit them, Like, none of you are none
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: of you are like, hmm, that seems really convenient. None
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: of you who support or against Ice, right, none of
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: you are thinking, Wow, that's that's quite the coincidence. Do
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: you get what I'm saying, Brian.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, like this kind of inefficient, if not
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: straight up corrupt way of running your government and people
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: if you, if you, it essentially invites this kind of
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: thing like it invites corruption, it invites criminal criminality, which
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: is what I think happened. There were people who exploited this,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: and you know, there was a combination of people who
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: had something. Again, maybe the politicians were hoping to get
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: get votes, maybe the scammers were hoping to get paid.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe everybody was hoping to get paid.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: And it looks like.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: The FEDS are, you know, looking into it and it
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: may get exposed. I don't know, but I think that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: and it's a convenient cover as well to be like, no, no, no,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: this isn't We're not stealing from the taxpayer, we're not
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: engaging in criminal activity, We're not letting in a bunch
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: of like illegal people so we can get their votes.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: What's actually happening is white supremacy and patriarchy, and you
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: have to stop it. And who listens to it, who's
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: out there protesting, who went out there and said, OMG,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I have to protect the Somalis because or
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: not even that, like they were going after the criminals.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: There's another thing too, that's very important. The only reason
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: why the Trump administration.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Just is hasn't sent in tanks, which I don't think
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: is a good idea because we don't want more innocent
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: lives lost. But the making and why is because he's
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: supposed to work with the local governments to get this
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: stuff done. Like a lot of the states, most of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: them are working with him. They're like, Okay, yeah, we'll
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: help you round up the illegals, right. They want them
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: out of there. They want Trendy Baragua sent back. They
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: want the MS thirteen gangs. You know these are they're
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: going after the violent felons. Okay, that that's what they're
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: That's where they are now. Like eventually we'd like to
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: get all the illegals out, but we know that that's
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: like probably an unrealistic task, but as many as we can.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: The border is effectively closed.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: A bunch of countries can't enter, like mostly not not
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: like Canada, but like a lot of.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: Like well countries that are I can't enter.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Oh you might be able to, you just haven't tried yet.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: But but you know, there's a lot that's been done.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: But the the truth is is that these people are
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: supposed to be working with us. So if there's an insurrection,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: insurrection actors passed, it's gonna be because Minneapolis is because
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: they can't they can't say we're sorry, they can't say
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: we were wrong. They're incapable of doing all that. And
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it has to do with
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: the fact that they're like, yeah, if they find out
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: what what's been going on, a lot of people are
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: gonna go to jail. So we're gonna basically make this
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: into a much bigger thing.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: And it's a distraction. It's a distraction from all of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: the all of this other stuff.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, a lot of these protesters, and I think
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people who are paid, they're
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: not there organically. They're there to create more chaos. They're
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: there to the to sort of like foster this stuff.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: It's a distraction they're using and women are going along
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: with it, like.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's going along with it sphere. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: so why does walls walls benefit from weaponizing anti ice sentiment? Now?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Walls is under intense pressure. He dropped his reelection bid
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: admit revelations that Minnesota social services program programs some saw
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: some month saw some of the biggest fraud losses in
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: the country, and federal audits auditors found that the state
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: dedicaid agency in substantial non compliance. At the same time,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Trump's dj has opened an investigation into whether Waltz, Frey
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: and other Democrats impeded ICE operations and inflame protests. They've
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: accused of casting ICE as a gestapo and on occupying
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: force wild mobs confront agents. By framing ICE is a
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: fascist patriarchy and federal scrutiny is intimidation, Waltz can argue
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: that Washington is not targeting for him from allowing billions
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: in graft, but for standing up to Trump's war on
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: immigrants and descent, which is particularly egregious right, because what
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: I see happening is that these somalies have become a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: shield for let's face it, once you get up above
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: the somalies, there's a bunch of pimping Karens and bureaucrats
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: who are making bank off of this situation. The more
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: public attention stays on ICE shootings, protests and gestopo language.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: The less auction in there is for detailed discussions about
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: how state agencies under his watch backdated contracts paid out
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands with no documentation and let politically connected
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: nonprofits loop programs for years. All right, this is meaningful, guys.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: This is why you won't have services for anyone if
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: you do not control this right, But instead the very
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: people who should be providing a whistleblower function are out
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: there harassing Ice. Right. If there is and I think
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: there is a legitimate position for oversight over these agencies,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: over these bureaucratic then why aren't you actually doing that?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Like why aren't the people who are supposed to be
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: auditing where if things are moral, if the funds are
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: going where they need to go with for people who
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: have vulnerabilities, why aren't they doing that?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Why is the left out there fighting something that they
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be fighting if Obama was in office? These fraud
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: scandals okay For a narrative war point of view, Walts
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: versus fascist Ice is a much better story for him
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: than Walt's overseer of historically large welfare fraud. So escalating
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: anti Ice rhetoric right now is the rational damage control
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: within his coalition, And of course he can do it
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: because there's a whole generations of people who regard any
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: kind of oversight to be patriarchal oppression or racism, which
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: is basically the same thing, because you know, as we
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: all know, it's men when they judge things. The only
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: thing that comes out is some ism, not actual merit.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: Are these fraud scandal Okay, these fraud scandals are not
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: restricted to Minnesota. It's probably why this controversy is erupting everywhere.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: There are similar structural vulnerabilities nationwide. So we're probably looking
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: at like a nationwide network of these bureaucratic grafts, rats, nests,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: all of which can mobilize these threat narratives around any
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: kind of oversight. And why can they mobilize these threat
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: narratives around any kind of oversight because for three generations
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: we have taught that men pay our evil oppressors, and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: when men enforce boundaries, it's suspect congressional oversight. Hearings on
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Waltz explicitly framed Minnesota as a case study, not an outlier,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: arguing that lacks of verification captured agencies and politically protected
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: NGOs are common features of state run welfare systems, with
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: Minnesota just being the place where it got big enough
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: and ethnic patronage distense enough to explode publicly. Do you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: really think these bureaucrats give a crap about the Somalis? Like,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: have you noticed? I noticed that Osmond Gold picks up
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: on this. The usual suspects is what he called them.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: So people will confront the Somali daycare centers to find
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: out if there's any actual children there, and then the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: smalies will come out and they'll they'll mill right and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: they'll just be sort of not really doing anything except
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: like mumbling, and then a Karen will swan in. Have
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: you notice this, Brian?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: A Karen will will drive in, you know, and and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: start labeling everything all this is what are you doing? What?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: What is this? What is this you're doing? You're being racist, right,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: you're you you're anti immigration rights in the and the
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: people who are investigating just want to make sure that
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: these acts, this money is actually going to what it's
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: being said that it's going to. And and this the Karen,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: the pimp, Karen, I'll call him, I'll call her, will
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: come in and start reframing the investigation as basically some
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: form of fascism, some form of people judging something or
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: the behavior of these Somalies not by their need but
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: by their ethic, like the standards the behavior that they've
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: engaged him, which is not because the thing is the
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: narrative about bringing in Somalis and giving them all this money.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: It is making a lot of people a lot of money.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that, and it's not necessarily the Somalis.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Like people focus on that. But if you look one
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: layer up, you see the Karens. You know, the Karen layer.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: You have the Karen layer, and they are the shield.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: They're the ones who go out and explain how any
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: kind of insight oversight is, you know, fascist adjacent is
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: patriarchal oppression is fascist adjacent. They try out all of
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: the rhetoric that shields the bureaucratic graft a level up
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: from them. And though that's probably where you're seeing the
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: real money being made. Okay, so I said, sorry, the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Somali immigrants are being used as immigrants as a shield
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: for their own gains. Okay, So there is there are
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: publicly like there's people who are saying this as well,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: Samali communities provide the moral shield and headcount. The real
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: winners are the political NGO and business network skimming the money.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: How the Somali shield works in the major Minnesota case
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: is a high proportion of defendants and intermediaries there's Somali
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: or Somali American, especially around feeding our future and related
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: daycare nutrition schemes. Public rhetoric from some Democratic officials and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: advocates has leaned on protecting Somali communities from racist targeting.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: And when you hear racist targeting once again, what it
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: means is judging them by merit instead of by vulnerability,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: judging them by the things that men hold more important
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: rather than by the things that women hold more important
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: when fraud is investigated, implying that aggressive audits equals xenophobia.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: So they these bureaucrats who pure I don't even want
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: to these fraudsters, brought in a vulnerable group, probably legitimately vulnerable,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: use them to front their schemes because I don't think
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: the Somalies thought this up. No offense to the Somalis,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: but they're very tribal people and you know this probably
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: doesn't occur to them. So they were brought in to
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: front these schemes by these people specifically so they could
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: defend themselves from oversight, because then they could frame the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: oversight as fascist because we and of course fascist is
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: male coded. The framing makes it easy to collapse two
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: very different things into one. Legitimate immigrants using programs intended.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they exist, politically connected operators offering from those
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: communities but tied to state, not from tied into state,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: and NGIO leadership fabricating meal counts, fake kids and shell
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: nonprofits to siphon funds. Right, So you got legitimate immigrants,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: then you've got the ones who are cheating, and then
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: you've got the bureaucrats on top of that who are
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: cheating even more who actually benefits. Federal charging documents and
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: oversight hearings describe multi million dollar properties, luxury cars, and
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: overseas transfers person purchased by the alleged ring leaders money
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: that was supposed to feed children or support low income families.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: House Oversight accuses Waltz era agencies of rubber stamping grants,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: backdating approvals, and rehiring people in the NGOs they just
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: paid improperly, which suggests an embedded class of administrators, lawyers, consultants,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: and nonprofit executives as the main winners. So you got
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: the smally immigrants right as the shield. You got the
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: Karens as your gestapo that prevents the oversight from going
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: past the among because you need the two. Right, you
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: got the small, You got the vulnerable people, and then
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: you got the Karens saying you're hurting right, you can't,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: you can't do that. And then on top of that,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: you got the entire frickin' ecosystem of bureaucrats siphoning from
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: the taxpayer. Ordinary Somali residents meanwhile, mostly get the stigma
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: and blowgout. That's the other thing. There probably are some
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: Somalis who are here legitimately, right, they're also going to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: get this blowback. Do you think the people who are
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: exploiting them give a crap. No, they're there to provide
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: a human shield, and that's it. They don't give a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: crap about them. They don't give a crap about the
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: Smalies who emigrated legitimately, are presuing pursuing legitimate businesses, are
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: just trying to raise their families. Aren't part of this graft?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: Who are also going to be targeted by this it
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: has That's how it works. Generally, people thinking categories, they
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: don't care, they don't give a crap. In fact, these
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: somalies who would be like, oh, I don't know, I
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to be associated with that. I think those
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: are bad people. These individuals who are part of the
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: rat's nest of bureaucratic graft, would probably regard those somalies
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: as being mouthpieces of the patriarchy, mouthpieces of fascism. Because
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: that's how it works. You know that, Brian, If any
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: if anybody of the category that they are supposedly defending
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: speaks out against them, they automatically revoke their right to
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: be defended and get folded into the evil empire that
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: needs to be destroyed.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: How this ties into anti ice ICE narratives. When iceer
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: federal auditors move in, local actors can invoke Trump's wars
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: on Somali's or tax on immigrants, which is again the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: people ICE, what are they doing. They're holding people to
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: standards that men hold people to, rather than delivering or
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: delivering them, delivering them things according to the needs like
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: women do. So it's a it's a fight between of
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: male male kind of ethical system and a female system
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: based on two from from those who what is the
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: communist statement? Uh?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: From for those we are you talking about, like those
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: with their ability, according to those according to their needs
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: something like.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: That, Yeah, like that, from those who produce to those
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: who need. Okay, all right, turn okay, to delegitimize the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: operation advance. So they use this rhetoric to le delegitimize
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: the operation advance and also supercharge people to be aggressive
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: towards them, even if the targets are clearly clearly the
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: graft networks. So this whole passion play is to protect
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: a bunch of thieves that turns Somali communities into a
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: human shield. Criticism of corrupt intermediaries or demands for enforcement
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: can be reframed as hatred of Somalis themselves, which is
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: rhetorically powerful and politically useful for people sitting on the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: money flow. All right, and then yeah, so what we
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: have is the Somalis who are the shield. We have
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: the Karens who are the gestapo, right and above that
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: we have the faceless bureaucratic graftsters who are sucking all
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: the money. This is this is I've seen this so
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: many freaking times over and over again. But anyway, I'm
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: gonna step off my podium and Brian, you can say
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: anything you want if you think I've mischaracterized something or
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: said something.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Wrong, well, I don't want to speak to the intentions
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: of any one group. They're all criminals as far as
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned, So we I say, we investigate and lock
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: up whoever.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Needs to be. But I think a lot of this
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: stuff is sort of like it's itself. It's self propelled, It.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Doesn't need like there's not a lot of parts you
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: have to move. You just put people in the right
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: position and like you know, and let things happen organically.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Like women, the Karens whatever you want to call them.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I don't really like Karen because it's kind of racially charged.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: But the women are going to essentially become mother hens
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: to whatever the the the sort of fashionable, under underserved
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: group of the week is. And it just so happens
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: because of Nick Shurley exposing the fraud. It just so
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: happens to be the Somali fraud in Minneapolis. I don't
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: think that Somali's everywhere going to be catching flack. I
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: think that Ice is going to be very specific and focused.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to go after the people who broke the law.
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  Speaker 1: I know. And yeah, well you know, and I think
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: the other people, like regular Americans, may view them with suspicion.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's deserved. Whatever earn it, earn your way
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  Speaker 1: out of that. I don't have a lot of sympathy
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  Speaker 1: Hols and I don't. It's a it's a the whole
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: country is a kleptocracy, like that, Somalia is a shithole.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they're here. And I'm and I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: it's some some biological determinism, but that is the way
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  Speaker 2: that it is. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like I don't know countries like Uganda or
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Nigeria that seem to do a lot better. So I'm
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: not making a racial comment here. I think it's a
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: cultural problem at least. But my point is is that
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: I think that all you got to do is you
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: want to invite corruption. You bring in people from a
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  Speaker 1: society that is known for, you know, scams, because that's
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: what they did to each other, because that's all they
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: knew in their own country, because it's so corrupt there.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: And then you you have like you know, these sort
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: of like SJW women in the same place, and they'll
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: stand up for them, and yeah, you'll grift off of
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: it and they'll probably take the fall, while you know,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: people that are more savvy or intelligent will, you know,
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  Speaker 1: either get no consequences or at least they'll make the
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  Speaker 1: most money. But everyone in this situation is is shit
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  Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: And like I said, there might be blowback to small
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: immigrants who are here legitimately maybe right, maybe they should
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: earn out of that. I'm just saying that it will exist,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: and that is an unintended consequence, and these people don't
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  Speaker 3: give a crap.
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  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's what I meant, Okay, I mean, like
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: I said.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: That, it's all about protecting their money scheme. All right,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: So that was it.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: I got a rumble rant here. I want to read
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: really quick, but I'm basically done too.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Nova Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and says,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, but I'll ask just
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: in case. Given what happened to Germany in less than
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: ten years, why does over ten years of facts and
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: logic not working not justify might makes right. Well, I mean,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: it will come down to force if we don't. But
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: I think we can use like reason to solve these issues.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Still.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: I think that we want to. Most people want to,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: because if it comes down to mic mates, right, that
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't that that doesn't make it moral.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: M So yeah, yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Well we have to get rid of the other. We
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: got to get rid of the idea that we have
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: to understand that the way men do things is not wrong, right,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: That's that's a big thing that we need to remember.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: So the way that men structure things to police boundaries
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: and expectations is absolutely vital for any kind of a
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: society worth living in. And if you're going to cast
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: them those behaviors as patriarchal or a fascist adjacent, then
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: you are going to construct a hellhole for yourselves, and
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: you are. And before you construct a hellhole for yourself,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: you're going to be providing a lot of cover for
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: people who steal from you. And there are people in
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: the the voiced or the special Chat. Yeah, somebody is like,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: you need to meet the grim Reaper.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Presumably people need to meet the reaper.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: It just babbling blow aviation. Okay, you don't understand what
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: I'm tech talking about. Maybe that's on you more race baiting.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: I love Ice, They're my heroes, you know, I don't
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: love Ice. I just recognize that they are function right,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: and they are a legitimate function of a government that
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: wants to maintain of a country that wants to maintain
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: itself as a country. Anyway, Okay, I don't see anything
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: particularly interesting in the special chat. I'll see what's what's
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: happening in the main chat. Yeah, mulling around, mumbling. I
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: guess Jin was laughing at my characterization of the smallies,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: and Albatross says the salamalies are probably just the long
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: for the ride. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they didn't develop
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: this idea. I mean, maybe what happened is, you know,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: a bunch of ships sailed by white people's, you know,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: showed up on their shore and we're just like, well,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: why didn't you come into the hold here and we'll
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: take you to the US and use you in for
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: our schemes. Okay, I've seen a couple so night so
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: motorcyclist says, I've seen a couple legal Somalis speak out,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: but they are the extremely tiny minority. Yes, because they're
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: not useful to these people, so they probably didn't get
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: a fast track to like the This is the other
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: thing when when your country is full of this kind
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: of greed, if fax tracks criminals in other in order
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: to front these schemes. M hm, Mia is locked in. Yep, yeah, yeah,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: she's she's uh, yeah, she's uh, she's locked in. I
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: have to figure out how to because she likes to
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: stand here. She's standing in front of my light. So
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: I got to figure out how to keep her here
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: in her spot because she likes this spot, but not
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: have her be in front of my light so that
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: she's throwing a shadow on me and turning me into
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: a void. Yeah, it's not that bad, but you know,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: it's a little it's a little bit of a problem.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: But she but she she reminds me of the things
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: that matter, you know, not not being bitten, I guess
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: because I haven't fed her in the last twenty minutes.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: All right. So yeah, that's that's what I have to
• 1:47:57
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• 1:48:15
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• 1:48:20
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