Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Hillary Clinton And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Talk With Congress (Part 12) (9/18/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
- 0:03Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're picking up where he
- 0:06Speaker 1: left off with Ghislaine Maxwell and her transcript from her
- 0:09Speaker 1: trip to Congress. And Representative Timmons is now asking the questions.
- 0:14Speaker 1: Madam Secretary, William Timmons from South Carolina, thanks for being
- 0:18Speaker 1: here today. Throughout the deposition you've seemed to be a
- 0:21Speaker 1: bit incredulous, indignant about being here. Do you think it's
- 0:24Speaker 1: inappropriate it seems? I guess I just want to highlight
- 0:27Speaker 1: all of the reasons that I see you being here
- 0:30Speaker 1: and ask you if you don't think that justifies your presence.
- 0:34Speaker 1: I mean, so we started out this deposition by asking
- 0:36Speaker 1: you about a number of individuals, 50 plus individuals, and
- 0:40Speaker 1: the specific question was whether you had spoken to them
- 0:43Speaker 1: regarding Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. So I'm going to
- 0:46Speaker 1: highlight four and I'm going to tell you why we
- 0:49Speaker 1: asked you about them. So do you know Senator Bob Kerry? Answer,
- 0:53Speaker 1: I do know Senator Kerry. Question, okay. And was he
- 0:56Speaker 1: not the chair of the Democrat Senatorial Committee when you
- 0:59Speaker 1: got elected to the Senate? Answer, I thought it was
- 1:02Speaker 1: Bob Torselli, but I could be wrong. Question, okay, well,
- 1:05Speaker 1: he was the chair of the DSCC for the eight
- 1:08Speaker 1: years prior to you getting there. He left office when
- 1:11Speaker 1: you got sworn in, but obviously there's a lot of overlap.
- 1:14Speaker 1: He's a prominent member. He resigned in disgrace because of
- 1:17Speaker 1: his association with Jeffrey Epstein. So there's a community of property.
- 1:22Speaker 1: He's in your orbit. He had to resign. Next person
- 1:25Speaker 1: is Casey Wasserman. Lawyer jumps in. Excuse me, Mr. Timmons
- 1:30Speaker 1: jumps in. Yeah. Question. Was Bob Carey one of the
- 1:33Speaker 1: names that was listed? Senator Timmons or Representative Timmons. Excuse me.
- 1:38Speaker 1: Bob Carey was. Clinton jumps in. He wasn't listed in
- 1:41Speaker 1: the original list that the council read. Lawyer for Clinton.
- 1:46Speaker 1: The list was shared with the witness. I don't see
- 1:48Speaker 1: the name. Timmons. My apologies. He was not listed. If
- 1:52Speaker 1: he was not listed. I was just seeking that clarification.
- 1:56Speaker 1: Casey Wasserman, do you know Casey Wasserman? Clinton, I do. Question, okay.
- 2:00Speaker 1: And do you know he was a former trustee of
- 2:02Speaker 1: the Clinton Foundation? Answer, I don't know. He wasn't during
- 2:05Speaker 1: the time I was involved. Question, okay. Well, it's alleged
- 2:09Speaker 1: that he was a former trustee of the Clinton Foundation
- 2:12Speaker 1: and that he also had to resign in disgrace from
- 2:14Speaker 1: his company. And obviously, there's an association there. Do you
- 2:18Speaker 1: know Larry Summers? Answer, I do know Larry Summers. Question, okay.
- 2:22Speaker 1: And he was obviously former Treasury Secretary, campaign advisor. Apparently,
- 2:26Speaker 1: he didn't give you good advice. But y'all obviously have
- 2:30Speaker 1: a long-standing relationship. He was forced to resign in disgrace
- 2:33Speaker 1: because of his association with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, yeah, but
- 2:39Speaker 1: I never talked to these people about. She gets cut
- 2:41Speaker 1: off by Representative Timmons. I understand. But you understand you
- 2:45Speaker 1: are Secretary of State. You are the First Lady. And
- 2:48Speaker 1: you are a United States Senator. And you have all
- 2:50Speaker 1: this power and influence. and all these connections. And when
- 2:53Speaker 1: there is just this enormous amount of smoke that I'm
- 2:56Speaker 1: going to go over, it's appropriate for us to then
- 2:58Speaker 1: ask you questions, because we're trying to get to the
- 3:01Speaker 1: bottom of this, to make sure it doesn't happen again,
- 3:04Speaker 1: and to hold people accountable. It might not be you. Answer,
- 3:08Speaker 1: but all of the people you just read, it seems
- 3:11Speaker 1: to me, should have been ahead of me being subpoenaed,
- 3:14Speaker 1: then me, but that's okay, I'm here, and I want
- 3:16Speaker 1: to keep plowing forward. Question, do you know George Mitchell? Answer,
- 3:20Speaker 1: I of course knew George Mitchell. question, okay, obviously, he
- 3:24Speaker 1: also had to resign in disgrace. That was the purpose
- 3:27Speaker 1: of the people that we're trying to get your association with.
- 3:30Speaker 1: So obviously, I'm not going to go over this too
- 3:33Speaker 1: much in length, but I've been in Congress for seven years,
- 3:36Speaker 1: and I've only been in the White House, I don't know,
- 3:38Speaker 1: a dozen times. Jeffrey Epstein doesn't even live in D.C.,
- 3:42Speaker 1: and he went to the White House 17 times in
- 3:44Speaker 1: two years. So that causes us to wonder, what's going
- 3:47Speaker 1: on there? Obviously, President Clinton flew on the That gives
- 3:53Speaker 1: us more questions. He's your husband, so we're just curious
- 3:56Speaker 1: about all these things. And that's the purpose of this.
- 3:59Speaker 1: You say the fact that Jeffrey Epstein donated $ 20, 000 to
- 4:03Speaker 1: the Joint Fundraising Committee, you were not allowed to solicit that.
- 4:06Speaker 1: But it's record of who gave money. And so you
- 4:09Speaker 1: would if somebody gave $ 20, 000 to my JFC. I would
- 4:13Speaker 1: know eventually, and I'd say thank you. You never thanked
- 4:15Speaker 1: him for his contribution? Answer not that I'm aware of.
- 4:19Speaker 1: First time I knew about it was when I was
- 4:21Speaker 1: preparing for this testimony. Question, obviously all the members of
- 4:25Speaker 1: Congress have to deal with fundraising. It's probably the worst
- 4:28Speaker 1: part of the job. But generally speaking, when people give
- 4:31Speaker 1: you a large amount of money, you say thank you.
- 4:33Speaker 1: So think again. Clinton, he didn't give it to me.
- 4:37Speaker 1: They gave it to the joint committee. Timmons, the JFC
- 4:41Speaker 1: has disclosure requirements and you'd be able to tell it
- 4:44Speaker 1: was for your behalf to get you elected. Clinton's lawyer
- 4:47Speaker 1: jumps in. Please let the witness finish. Clinton, it's okay. Lawyer,
- 4:51Speaker 1: you're cutting her off. Clinton, I've told you all I know,
- 4:54Speaker 1: which is that I did not know. Question, there's dozens
- 4:57Speaker 1: of pieces of information that create a pattern. And you're
- 5:00Speaker 1: here because that pattern causes us to have questions to understand. Clinton, well,
- 5:05Speaker 1: what are your questions? Did I know anything about the crimes?
- 5:08Speaker 1: I've told you, no, I did not. Did I know
- 5:10Speaker 1: anything about her crimes? No, I did not. Was I
- 5:12Speaker 1: in a position of responsibility to investigate those crimes? No,
- 5:16Speaker 1: I was not. Question, again, there's a pattern. You gave
- 5:20Speaker 1: the best line of the deposition, patterns. Lawyers look at
- 5:23Speaker 1: patterns to try to assess veracity and classify information to
- 5:27Speaker 1: understand truth. And so we're here trying to seek truth.
- 5:31Speaker 1: And we appreciate you being here. But it's appropriate for
- 5:34Speaker 1: us to ask you questions about all these things. Jeffrey Epstein,
- 5:37Speaker 1: use the Clinton. She cuts them off. And you have
- 5:41Speaker 1: been all day. And I'll try to the best of
- 5:43Speaker 1: my ability to keep answering them. Question, trust me. Your
- 5:48Speaker 1: husband's going to have a much worse day tomorrow. The
- 5:50Speaker 1: Clinton Global Initiative... was used in the plea. Jeffrey Epstein's
- 5:55Speaker 1: lawyers used Epstein's role in facilitating the Clinton Global Initiative
- 5:59Speaker 1: to justify his plea deal. That was entered into evidence earlier. Obviously,
- 6:03Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell has alleged that this is part of one
- 6:06Speaker 1: of her successes to facilitate setting it up. And there's
- 6:09Speaker 1: been reports that a million dollars was wired for the
- 6:12Speaker 1: launch party. So there's just all this data, all these
- 6:15Speaker 1: different pieces of information that come together that cause us
- 6:18Speaker 1: to be here. And so I mean, we've obviously discussed
- 6:21Speaker 1: the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell was at your daughter's wedding,
- 6:24Speaker 1: which again is not indicative of anything. But when you
- 6:27Speaker 1: take all of this and you put it together and
- 6:29Speaker 1: you look at it holistically, it causes us to have
- 6:32Speaker 1: these questions. So given all of that information that I
- 6:35Speaker 1: just went over and what we've gone over today, do
- 6:38Speaker 1: you understand why you're here? And do you think it's
- 6:40Speaker 1: appropriate for us to ask questions of someone that's in
- 6:43Speaker 1: such a position of authority and has all of this smoke?
- 6:47Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's no fire with you, But in
- 6:49Speaker 1: order for us to get to the bottom of it,
- 6:51Speaker 1: the American people want transparency and accountability. So I mean,
- 6:54Speaker 1: do you understand why we are doing this? Or do
- 6:57Speaker 1: you think it's just a waste of time? Answer, you'll
- 7:02Speaker 1: have to determine whether this is or isn't a waste
- 7:04Speaker 1: of time. But you make all these assumptions. I don't
- 7:07Speaker 1: believe anything Jeffrey Epstein says. So whatever he said, I
- 7:10Speaker 1: would discount completely. I don't believe very much of what
- 7:13Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell said in the very first exhibit you gave
- 7:16Speaker 1: me was what she told Todd Blanche, so it's your
- 7:19Speaker 1: job to figure out what is and isn't true, but
- 7:22Speaker 1: more importantly, what's relevant to your investigation. Question, what's relevant
- 7:27Speaker 1: to our investigation is the people at the highest levels
- 7:29Speaker 1: of government were involved in a sex trafficking ring. Answer,
- 7:34Speaker 1: I was not involved at all, and I resent you
- 7:36Speaker 1: even connecting those two points. Question, you're here to help
- 7:39Speaker 1: us get to the bottom of it. Answer your I'm
- 7:41Speaker 1: doing my very best question while you've tried to avoid
- 7:44Speaker 1: it for six months. Lawyer jumps in. Let her answer
- 7:47Speaker 1: fully the question and then you can ask. Answer. I've
- 7:51Speaker 1: been doing all I can. How can I answer questions
- 7:53Speaker 1: about a person that I don't believe I've ever even met?
- 7:56Speaker 1: Although maybe I was in the same room once who
- 7:58Speaker 1: gave money to a joint funding committee that I had
- 8:01Speaker 1: no knowledge of. I'm doing my best. I can answer
- 8:03Speaker 1: your questions. Question. I appreciate that. Again, pattern is what
- 8:09Speaker 1: we're following. And I think we're going to have a
- 8:11Speaker 1: lot more questions for the president tomorrow. Thank you. Next
- 8:15Speaker 1: speaker is Mr. McGuire. Representative McGuire from Virginia. Madam Secretary,
- 8:20Speaker 1: thank you for being here today. I thank the American people.
- 8:23Speaker 1: I represent Virginia's 5th District, the Commonwealth of Virginia. In
- 8:27Speaker 1: the whole United States, we all want transparent accountability. And
- 8:31Speaker 1: I would imagine you want the same thing. Is that right?
- 8:34Speaker 1: Human trafficking, rape, torture, these things are unspeakable evil. Would
- 8:38Speaker 1: you agree with that? Clinton, I would. Answer. Or question.
- 8:42Speaker 1: I was a Navy SEAL veteran during the time your
- 8:44Speaker 1: husband was in the presidency and we did a lot
- 8:47Speaker 1: of missions to go against the cartels and go after
- 8:49Speaker 1: human traffickers and people who did all these unspeakable things.
- 8:53Speaker 1: Question for you. Have you read the released Epstein files? Answer.
- 8:57Speaker 1: I've read excerpts as they've come to my attention. Question.
- 9:00Speaker 1: Would you agree that there are unspeakable acts of violence
- 9:03Speaker 1: against women, minors, and other people in there? Answer. I'm
- 9:06Speaker 1: told so. Question. And just curious. What your knowledge is.
- 9:10Speaker 1: How many Epstein filed documents were released during the four
- 9:13Speaker 1: years of the Biden administration? Answer, I don't have information
- 9:17Speaker 1: about that. Question, so what I'm being told is zero.
- 9:22Speaker 1: How many files do you think have been released, Epstein files,
- 9:24Speaker 1: President Trump in his second term? Clinton, many I've been told. Question,
- 9:29Speaker 1: I've been told over three million. And again, we both
- 9:31Speaker 1: agree we want transparency and accountability. I don't think it's
- 9:35Speaker 1: a Democrat, Republican or independent thing. I think it's just
- 9:38Speaker 1: an American thing. We want accountability, and we need to
- 9:41Speaker 1: have it. So would you agree that no one's above
- 9:43Speaker 1: the law? I certainly would, Clinton responds. Question? Yeah, so
- 9:48Speaker 1: since taking office, President Trump has done a lot to
- 9:50Speaker 1: fight human trafficking. His administration secured the border in just
- 9:55Speaker 1: a matter of weeks, and human trafficking numbers, and the rape,
- 9:58Speaker 1: and all these unspeakable acts still exist in the world
- 10:01Speaker 1: and even in our country, but they've gone down significantly.
- 10:04Speaker 1: Now this is the same bullshit that the other side's doing.
- 10:08Speaker 1: You don't need to get up here and pump Trump's tires.
- 10:10Speaker 1: Ask some questions. What are we doing here? And of course,
- 10:15Speaker 1: we've been going after the cartels and human traffickers extremely
- 10:18Speaker 1: aggressively since ever since he took office in his second term.
- 10:21Speaker 1: Congress and President Trump, we signed into law on January 2nd,
- 10:25Speaker 1: the Trafficking Survivors Relief Act. Have you heard about that?
- 10:29Speaker 1: So we're definitely making progress. So I heard you earlier
- 10:32Speaker 1: say that we weren't doing anything. Question, I was talking
- 10:35Speaker 1: about the State Department. Or answer, excuse me. Question, well,
- 10:39Speaker 1: we work together, but I'm with you. Also, it's just
- 10:42Speaker 1: twice I heard you say that you didn't know about
- 10:44Speaker 1: the donation from Maxwell. And according to FEC and our research,
- 10:48Speaker 1: you can, as a candidate, even back in the 90s,
- 10:50Speaker 1: coordinate with JFC joint funding. Lawyer jumps in, excuse me,
- 10:54Speaker 1: could you correct your statement? You said she didn't know
- 10:57Speaker 1: about Maxwell. McGuire, no, no, I'm just saying she said
- 11:02Speaker 1: that twice he couldn't. Clinton jumps in, you're talking about Epstein. McGuire,
- 11:07Speaker 1: that's right, twice she said she couldn't communicate with JFC. Answer, well,
- 11:12Speaker 1: that's what I was told. Question, and according to FEC,
- 11:16Speaker 1: and the report that we did in the last couple hours,
- 11:19Speaker 1: You could do that. Not a big deal. Just letting
- 11:21Speaker 1: you know that. All right, some questions. So, Madam Secretary,
- 11:24Speaker 1: since you claim you never met or communicated with Mr. Epstein,
- 11:28Speaker 1: how's it possible seeing that Mr. Epstein visited the White
- 11:31Speaker 1: House several times, I may be repeating some of the
- 11:33Speaker 1: other questions, several times during your husband's presidency? Answer, I object,
- 11:39Speaker 1: because that's speculative, Congressman, her lawyer says. I'm not advising
- 11:43Speaker 1: her not to answer, but it's speculating. She doesn't know. Question,
- 11:47Speaker 1: Madam Secretary, Clinton, I don't know. I don't know how
- 11:49Speaker 1: many times he visited. I've been told, but I don't
- 11:52Speaker 1: know for my own information or personal experience. Question. Yeah,
- 11:56Speaker 1: apparently it was 17 times. At least there's more than
- 12:00Speaker 1: a dozen. All right, Secretary Clinton. Did you ever ask Ms.
- 12:03Speaker 1: Maxwell about the validity of the Epstein crimes when he
- 12:06Speaker 1: was first accused? Answer. I don't recall any conversation with
- 12:09Speaker 1: her about it. Question. And how well did you know her? Answer.
- 12:13Speaker 1: Not very well. Question. All right, Secretary Clinton. How do
- 12:16Speaker 1: you feel about your husband being named in the Epstein files? Answer, well,
- 12:20Speaker 1: I think it's something that is unfortunate, and I'm sure
- 12:23Speaker 1: that he'll tell you that he wished he had not
- 12:25Speaker 1: flown on Epstein's plane. So, it's unfortunate in my opinion. Question,
- 12:29Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton, did Maxwell's nephew, Mr. Alexander DeRossi, I may
- 12:34Speaker 1: be saying the name wrong, work for your 2008 campaign? Answer,
- 12:37Speaker 1: as I said earlier, he volunteered for my campaign. He
- 12:40Speaker 1: did a good job. My campaign staff hired him. He
- 12:43Speaker 1: was an excellent employee, and then he had a very
- 12:45Speaker 1: relevant educational background and went to work at the State Department. Question,
- 12:50Speaker 1: and Secretary Clinton, was Ms. Maxwell's nephew, Mr. Alexander DeRossi,
- 12:54Speaker 1: hired by the State Department shortly after you became Secretary
- 12:57Speaker 1: of State? Answer, yes he was. Question, and Secretary Clinton,
- 13:01Speaker 1: by all accounts, at the time of his hiring, Mr.
- 13:04Speaker 1: Alexander DeRossi had limited foreign policy experience. He was hired
- 13:09Speaker 1: as a favor for Ms. Maxwell, wasn't he? Answer, not
- 13:12Speaker 1: at all. I had no idea that he was related
- 13:15Speaker 1: to her, and I have absolutely no recollection or reason
- 13:17Speaker 1: to believe that she was involved at all. Question, well,
- 13:21Speaker 1: the people that I represent, and I think the country
- 13:23Speaker 1: cares about most of this whole thing, is that we
- 13:26Speaker 1: can learn so we can prevent people committing human trafficking
- 13:29Speaker 1: in our country, in the world. And I think that's
- 13:32Speaker 1: what we all care about. We care about that. And then,
- 13:35Speaker 1: how did someone with such egregious behavior penetrate the highest
- 13:38Speaker 1: levels of government? Are the world leaders compromised? Are American
- 13:42Speaker 1: politicians compromised? As you read the Epstein files and you
- 13:45Speaker 1: read the reports, overwhelmingly, Epstein donated more to Democrats by
- 13:50Speaker 1: far than he did Republicans. You served as Secretary of
- 13:53Speaker 1: State from 2009 to 2013. Is that correct? Answer, that's correct. Question,
- 13:59Speaker 1: the State Department in the United States leads the effort
- 14:03Speaker 1: globally to combat human and sex trafficking. Is that a
- 14:06Speaker 1: fair characterization? Answer, it's the responsibility of the State Department.
- 14:10Speaker 1: to try and hold countries accountable through our annual report,
- 14:13Speaker 1: and to work with countries to try and encourage them
- 14:15Speaker 1: to improve their laws and their enforcement. Question. In fact,
- 14:20Speaker 1: Secretary of State's responsible for submitting an annual trafficking in
- 14:23Speaker 1: persons or TIP report. Is that correct? Answer. That is correct. Question.
- 14:28Speaker 1: And Secretary Clinton, can you please explain what the report is?
- 14:31Speaker 1: What's the purpose of the report? What was your role
- 14:33Speaker 1: in the creation of the report? And did you have
- 14:36Speaker 1: final approval of the contents of the report, the TIP report? Answer,
- 14:40Speaker 1: the report I believe is legislatively mandated. It's put together
- 14:44Speaker 1: by the experts and State Department people who are responsible
- 14:46Speaker 1: for following developments in trafficking through our embassies around the world.
- 14:51Speaker 1: And what it does is it tries to assess whether
- 14:53Speaker 1: countries are taking trafficking seriously, whether they have adequate laws,
- 14:57Speaker 1: whether they're enforcing those laws, whether judges are trained, whether
- 15:00Speaker 1: law enforcement takes the crime seriously. And then every year
- 15:04Speaker 1: the office responsible for the TIP report evaluates and describes
- 15:07Speaker 1: what a country was doing. And in egregious cases, where
- 15:10Speaker 1: the countries are ignoring it, where the problem is getting worse,
- 15:14Speaker 1: there can be sanctions employed. But usually the effort to
- 15:17Speaker 1: stay out of the report in a negative way helps
- 15:19Speaker 1: us diplomatically to persuade countries to take more action. Question, okay,
- 15:23Speaker 1: so to be clear, the TIP reports were submitted to
- 15:26Speaker 1: Congress during your tenure? Answer, yes. Question, and was human
- 15:30Speaker 1: trafficking in the United States increasing or decreasing during that time? Answer,
- 15:35Speaker 1: in the United States, I'm not familiar with the year-to-year numbers,
- 15:38Speaker 1: but human trafficking has been a very big problem in
- 15:40Speaker 1: the U.S. and elsewhere. And as you pointed out, all
- 15:42Speaker 1: kinds of criminal organizations, gangs, cartels, find it profitable to
- 15:47Speaker 1: traffic human beings. So it kind of goes up and down,
- 15:49Speaker 1: depending on how effectively we're enforcing our laws or other
- 15:53Speaker 1: nations are enforcing theirs. Question, so during the Biden administration
- 15:57Speaker 1: open border policies, we don't know the number, we think
- 16:00Speaker 1: 15 to 20 million illegal criminal aliens, the cartels you
- 16:03Speaker 1: probably saw in Colorado, where Tren de Aragua took over
- 16:07Speaker 1: an apartment complex at gunpoint, and one guy called the police,
- 16:10Speaker 1: they cut his fingers off and said, if you call
- 16:12Speaker 1: the police again, we're going to cut off your hands.
- 16:14Speaker 1: So would you agree that having a secure border is
- 16:17Speaker 1: very important to prevent these cartels and these human traffickers
- 16:20Speaker 1: from coming into our country and victimizing the American people? Answer,
- 16:25Speaker 1: I've been in favor of secure borders and effective humane
- 16:28Speaker 1: immigration policy for as long as I've thought about it.
- 16:30Speaker 1: And when I ran for the Senate, when I ran
- 16:32Speaker 1: for president, I advocated for security and at our borders,
- 16:36Speaker 1: but also additional resources so that we could process the
- 16:40Speaker 1: people who came to our borders in a more efficient
- 16:42Speaker 1: and timely way. I voted for comprehensive immigration reform on
- 16:46Speaker 1: a bipartisan basis when I was in the Senate. So yes,
- 16:49Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. We need secure borders. All right, folks,
- 16:53Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right there. And in the
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