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Chuck & Buck 5-21 Hour 4: Fair or Unfair? Piggybacking.. the day after and one last thing! · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Nine o'clock hour. Good Thursday morning to you all. Chuck Powell,
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  Speaker 1: ten o'clock. Mike Benton filling in for Greg Bell today.
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  Speaker 1: Try following that up, Benton.
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  Speaker 2: You got to say it like Christopher Kidd says it though,
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  Speaker 1: We add an actual pronunciation and official station pronunciation of month.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good luck following up the last couple of days, Benton.
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  Speaker 1: I think ash they did a little mic drop on
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  Speaker 1: your asso.
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  Speaker 2: That was the micro fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Nobody wants to follow up Chris Rock on
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  Speaker 1: the stage I'll tell you that Mike Ben.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's funny.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are delaying the inevitable. I have to
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  Speaker 1: face myself and my demons here today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this.
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  Speaker 1: JP Crawford gave me a lot to think about his
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  Speaker 1: selflessness his self awareness, which I think are just two
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  Speaker 1: tremendous qualities in a human being. Try to I try
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  Speaker 1: to carry those with me. But I'm also a talk
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  Speaker 1: show host, which means that I have to occasionally be mean.
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  Speaker 1: I have a choice in the mass. Occasionally I gotta
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  Speaker 1: do it, and so I do always, though Ashley, try
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  Speaker 1: to be fair with my criticisms. But let's face it,
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  Speaker 1: this Mariner team is completely frustrating every single year. We
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  Speaker 1: have to start slowly every single year. And I always
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: hear that's baseball for you. No, no, no. Baseball is
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  Speaker 1: a series of ups and downs. You're not gonna stay
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: hot for one hundred and sixty two games, and you're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna stay cold for one hundred and sixty two
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  Speaker 1: games unless you're the twenty twenty three White Sox. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, we live with ah Man. We're catching we
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  Speaker 1: can't catch a break. It feels like for a week
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  Speaker 1: at a time, and then it seems like you catch
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  Speaker 1: every break for a week at a time. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: understand baseball. It's not always going to be. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have some pitfalls, you're gonna have injuries, you're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: some poor performances. But there's nowhere written in the baseball annals,
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  Speaker 1: by either humans or the baseball gods, that a team
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  Speaker 1: has to start every season cold and then dig out
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  Speaker 1: of a hole for the rest of the year. Where's
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  Speaker 1: that written.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it is. I've never seen it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen it. And yeah, the frustrations do take
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  Speaker 2: over sometimes, so as much as you know, try to
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  Speaker 2: be level headed and only fair, we're humans, yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes we're.
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  Speaker 1: Pissed, sometimes we're angry, and then sometimes our anger unleashes
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  Speaker 1: itself by going a little too far. Potentially I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying I did, yeah, but potentially we're gonna judge it
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  Speaker 1: with our criticisms of the team. But I do try
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  Speaker 1: to keep things all in proper perspective at all times.
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  Speaker 1: But JP was just what he did yesterday was just like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I start feeling bad, like I'm getting everything I want
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  Speaker 1: from this front office. I have any conversations with these
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  Speaker 1: guys personally, Like some of you seem to think that
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 2: People think that you've just got Jerry on sweet down,
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  Speaker 2: all right, but.
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  Speaker 1: I have the things that I've put out there on
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  Speaker 1: the show have kind of are all coming true. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted Emerson to stay in the starting rotation. He's staying
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  Speaker 1: in the starting rotation. And I'm not saying I'm the
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  Speaker 1: only one. I'm not giving myself credit. I'm just telling
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  Speaker 1: you that I'm having kind of not buyer's remorse, almost
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  Speaker 1: survivor's guilt, like, oh gosh, did I do that? Even
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  Speaker 1: though I know I didn't do that. So I wanted
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  Speaker 1: Hancock in the rotation. I want to cuss thee O
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  Speaker 1: out of the rotation if we're going to with Bryce
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  Speaker 1: coming back. And I got that at least a version
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  Speaker 1: of that. I wanted JP eventually off of shortstop and
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  Speaker 1: cold Emerson to be our starting shortstop for the season
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  Speaker 1: comes to a close. And I'm getting it earlier than
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  Speaker 1: I thought that I was going to receive that. And
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  Speaker 1: I've also been really hard on Dan Wilson and I
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how that's going to manifest itself in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And so anyway, the point is that when you are critical,
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  Speaker 1: and when you are agitated and maybe even angry about
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  Speaker 1: the start of the season, you say things. And sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you say him for effect, and sometimes you say him
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  Speaker 1: for a laugh, and sometimes you say him just to
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  Speaker 1: make a point of emphasis. So you exaggerate a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm wondering if throughout this process, even though
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting what I got I wanted, if I have
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  Speaker 1: been fair or unfair throughout the process. So let's start
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  Speaker 1: with JP. I think Ashley well within my rights to
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  Speaker 1: have questioned JP Crawford's defense. The metrics bear that out.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody that's questioning JP's defense. His range has suffered recently.
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  Speaker 1: All metrics show he has the worst range of starting
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  Speaker 1: shortstops in Major League Baseball, and he's ranked at or
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  Speaker 1: near the bottom in almost every defensive metric category as
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  Speaker 1: a shortstop. Also think it is fair to question some
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  Speaker 1: of the offensive attributes that he brings to the table.
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  Speaker 1: So I say this very level headed, even in a
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  Speaker 1: state of somewhat remorse. I say, yes, I think JP's
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  Speaker 1: got a great eye at the plate. I wish he
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  Speaker 1: was using it more effectively in the ABS challenge system,
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  Speaker 1: which he hasn't been home. But I need a guy
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  Speaker 1: that it's not enough for him to walk and pop
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  Speaker 1: an occasional home run. As a matter of fact, I
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  Speaker 1: think when he pops his occasional home run, it makes
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  Speaker 1: him think that he's a home run hitter and he's not.
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  Speaker 1: What I'd like to see more out of JP Crawford
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  Speaker 1: are doubles. Yeah, I'd like to see him get into
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  Speaker 1: scoring position because when he walks, he doesn't steal anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So if he walks, he's at first base. And he
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  Speaker 1: also gets the worst leads of any person I've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen play baseball off of first base. He's like a
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  Speaker 1: little league kid because he's so scared of getting picked
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  Speaker 1: off over there, and so he's got He's rarely even
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  Speaker 1: going to go first to third on a single. He's
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  Speaker 1: rarely going to go from first to home on a double.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of a station to station player.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're going to be a station to station player,
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  Speaker 1: twenty home runs and a three pot fifty six on
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  Speaker 1: base percentage, that's not enough. I need you to have
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  Speaker 1: a higher batting average and I need to see more
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  Speaker 1: doubles out of you. And if you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: be great with your range defensively, then I need you
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  Speaker 1: to consistently make every routine play and that includes catching
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  Speaker 1: and throwing. And I don't think that we have seen that.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. So I think I've been fair with all
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  Speaker 1: of that. Yes, I think JP recognizes it. I think
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  Speaker 1: the organization recognizes it. I think the organization has had
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  Speaker 1: a plan all season long to put cold Emerson at shortstop,
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  Speaker 1: no matter what they've said publicly at some point this year.
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  Speaker 1: But have I been unfair with how I've criticized JP
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  Speaker 1: this year Ashley? Have I made too much fun of
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  Speaker 1: his lack of speed? Have I gone too far of
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  Speaker 1: in trying to make a case for a potential replacement?
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  Speaker 1: Have I been overly critical? Have I been unfair at
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  Speaker 1: times with JP as an overall player? And have I
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  Speaker 1: overlooked just how much value because I try not to
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  Speaker 1: overlook the value of great character and great clubhouse chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: The mariners of the team that used to overlook now
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  Speaker 1: we did. Apparently now it's the most important thing in
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  Speaker 1: the world.
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  Speaker 2: That's about time.
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  Speaker 1: Have I been unfair and overlooking his overall contribution to
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  Speaker 1: this baseball team.
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  Speaker 2: To the stage I would say, the only part that's
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  Speaker 2: been unfair has been not recognizing potentially that the leader
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  Speaker 2: and the person he is in the clubhouse. But how
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  Speaker 2: are we supposed to know that we're not in the clubhouse?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And you don't hear a lot of people talking about
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  Speaker 2: JP's excellent leadership. And I think you guys were talking
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  Speaker 2: the other day when I was on my own and
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  Speaker 2: twenty minute commute in about how there's a lot of leaders.
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  Speaker 2: There's cal there's Naylor, there's there are Rock yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: Raw yeah. And so there are a lot of leaders.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like JP is standing out, at least
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  Speaker 2: not to us as fans on the outside, right, So
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that as I when I
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  Speaker 2: say like that one might be the only place it's
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  Speaker 2: been unfair, But that's because it's been We don't know,
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  Speaker 2: and you can't you can't you can't comment really on
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  Speaker 2: what you don't know, right, you can speculate, and you
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  Speaker 2: can say, well, is his leadership that important compared to
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  Speaker 2: all these other leaders that you've got, right, So you're
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  Speaker 2: only so I guess, no, you haven't been unfair. And
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  Speaker 2: even in the talking about his defense, we talked to
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  Speaker 2: Perry Hill and asked Perry Hill if his defense says,
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  Speaker 2: you know, gone backwards or suffered in any way, and
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  Speaker 2: Perry said, no, you know, I'm seeing the same things.
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  Speaker 2: And so you went to a source, you asked about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like you ignored trying to find out some
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  Speaker 2: information on it. Do I think maybe that was a
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  Speaker 2: little biased on the mayor and that the may owners
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  Speaker 2: are maybe a little biased and protective of him. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: I do think so, and I understand that as for
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  Speaker 2: the swinging for the fences and hitting out of his
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  Speaker 2: asset time or swinging out of his asset times. We
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  Speaker 2: went to Ryan Heally and said, hey, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 2: Do you notice this too? And he said, well, actually,
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  Speaker 2: funny enough, I talked to JP Crawford about it. So
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  Speaker 2: I feel like as much as he's gotten criticism, it
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  Speaker 2: has been backed up with statistics and then asking other
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  Speaker 2: people to weigh in on it. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: there makes it fair.
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  Speaker 1: And I would also point out, since we did go
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  Speaker 1: to sources like Hill and Healey, sounds like a great
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  Speaker 1: law firm, but it really does. And Hill's response was,
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  Speaker 1: as long as he's making the routine play and they
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  Speaker 1: have a description of what that is. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I could explain it to our audience right now,
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  Speaker 1: but they have a description, they have a box what
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  Speaker 1: they feel is a routine play. But I don't even
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  Speaker 1: think he was doing that right, and mostly because of
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  Speaker 1: his lack of arm strength from the shortstop.
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  Speaker 2: And he'd just come back from whatever shoulder issue he
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  Speaker 2: was dealing with too, so it could have been part
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a really big part of it.
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  Speaker 1: But we're trying to win baseball games exactly, not milk
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  Speaker 1: people through their injuries. Yes, either you can make the
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  Speaker 1: throw or you can't. And then with Heallee, he gave
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  Speaker 1: the explanation that JP says that people have a misperception
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  Speaker 1: of him swinging for the fences. He's never swinging for
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  Speaker 1: the fences, but he says his timing gets off regularly,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's just awkward with his follow through and
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  Speaker 1: it looks like he's swinging for his fences because his
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: helmet falls off a lot because he has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hair, right, So that was the explanation, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not even buying that. Again, I'm trying to be fair.
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  Speaker 1: This entire conversation is about being fair unfair, because then
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  Speaker 1: why are you getting out of wax so frequently? That
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  Speaker 1: was the professional base that was the problem. You should
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  Speaker 1: not be getting out of balance that frequently. If that's
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  Speaker 1: your defense, then okay, then don't get out of balance
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  Speaker 1: so much because it looks like you're swinging for the fences.
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  Speaker 2: It does, and that was the concern. Is after that, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well why is that happening? That shouldn't be happening to
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  Speaker 2: someone who's been playing baseball their whole life.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Dan Wilson. Fair or unfair
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  Speaker 1: with Dan Wilson. Here's my analysis, Here's what I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to hold to. I think he struggled from the sixth
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: inning on and this is really when a manager from
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: an x's and o's perspective needs to impact the game.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Nathan Bishop did a great breakdown of this for Ian
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  Speaker 1: Furness a couple of days ago, and that is pitching
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  Speaker 1: changes and pinch hitting situations. That's when a manager x'es
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  Speaker 1: and o's wise really impacts the game. And I've said
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  Speaker 1: frequently that a manager in Major League Baseball, their true
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  Speaker 1: value to an organization is not their ex'es and o's.
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  Speaker 1: They have bench coaches. They've got metrics that they followed,
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  Speaker 1: They've got you know, bosses and stat nerds that show
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  Speaker 1: them what you should do in certain situations, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they just followed the book. So x'es and O's is
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  Speaker 1: a part of being a manager, But the bigger part
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  Speaker 1: of being a manager, and that's why they call him
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: a manager and not a head coach in baseball, is
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  Speaker 1: managing your personnel, managing your coaches, managing your players, trying
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  Speaker 1: to get the most out of everyone on your roster
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: and on your coaching staff. Which it's pretty clear he
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  Speaker 1: hasn't gotten the best out of this team so far
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  Speaker 1: this season. But from an x's and O's perspective, I
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  Speaker 1: think he's misfired as well on his pitching changes, when
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  Speaker 1: he's resting people, being far too cautious with who gets
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  Speaker 1: to pitch under what circumstances. And obviously we've all had
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  Speaker 1: a problem with how he's used the pinch hit situation.
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  Speaker 1: And this is an organization that's become accustomed, as a
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  Speaker 1: pitching dominant organization to winning one run games consistently. It
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: was Scott Servis's hallmark, and now all of a sudden,
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: we're a team that loses one run games consistently won
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  Speaker 1: one last night yesterday afternoon. But and I think that
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  Speaker 1: that has a lot to do with those pivotal x's
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  Speaker 1: and o's decisions happening from the sixth through the ninth inning.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we seem to be losing games, which we
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: in the past have won games because of how good
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: our pitching is, both starting pitching and bullpen, and we're
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  Speaker 1: not getting that job done. And it's hard for me
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  Speaker 1: not to think that Dan is having a problem. So
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  Speaker 1: I think all of that is fair, Okay, But I
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: have said at times he seems lost. I mean, I
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: have said I don't even like his affect. He seems
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: nervous in the dugout, he seems overwhelmed. He has a
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: look like he's overwhelmed. And that is just pure conjecture
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  Speaker 1: on my part. I'm wondering, is that unfair.
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  Speaker 2: Because you're saying he seems and you're not saying he is.
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  Speaker 2: It's obvious he's overwhelmed. It's obvious he's Then that would
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  Speaker 2: be unfair because it's not and it is your opinion,
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  Speaker 2: But you're allowed to have your opinion on what you're seeing,
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  Speaker 2: and that's not unfair to do.
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  Speaker 1: Does he look unsettled?
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't look comfortable. I will say that I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he looks comfortable, like nervous leg syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: I can just picture I don't see, but I can
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  Speaker 1: just picture him bouncing his heel the entire time he's
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  Speaker 1: standing there.
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  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, and I just I think
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  Speaker 2: every time I see him, he doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: exude this comfortability with what's going on. And maybe that's
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: because of the games. I mean, honestly, watching the games
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  Speaker 2: this year, I'm not comfortable in a lot of them either.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, he doesn't leave this quiet. You wanted to
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  Speaker 2: have this confidence about him, and he doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 2: he's got the I'm the leader confidence, you know that
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  Speaker 2: kind of air about him.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I mean there, you're a skipper, and a skipper
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  Speaker 1: is the head of this ship. I want the sea
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  Speaker 1: captain when the storm gets rocky and the boat is
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  Speaker 1: getting tossed around, I want the captain to feel like
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  Speaker 1: he is in control. Don't worry about anything. I got this.
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  Speaker 2: And you want everyone to look to the captain to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that they know, yeah, we're going to be good.
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  Speaker 1: I want the quarterback to be the calmest guy in
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  Speaker 1: the huddle on the two minute drill. I want the
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  Speaker 1: CEO at the conference to reassure me that my future
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  Speaker 1: and the company's future is safe. I don't want my manager,
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  Speaker 1: or my sea captain, or my CEO or my quarterback
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  Speaker 1: to look nervous. And maybe that's unfair, which is why
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  Speaker 1: we're doing this exercise juice.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's unfair that those are things you
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  Speaker 2: should want in the person leading a team. They get
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: into a leadership role because they exhibit good leadership qualities.
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  Speaker 2: That is a leadership quality. You haven't called for his job.
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  Speaker 2: If you had, I think that would have been unfair.
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  Speaker 2: And I think questioning things and whether he's right for
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  Speaker 2: the right for the role are all within bounds. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is part of our job. Yeah, you know, these
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  Speaker 2: are the athletes representing our city, and these are the
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  Speaker 2: people that we're talking about, and so it would be
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  Speaker 2: I think unfair if we just looked past it all
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  Speaker 2: and said, no, everything's great and just focused on the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: win or the loss. Oh, Maren has got the win,
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  Speaker 2: Yay Sunshine and roses as I said, like, that would
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  Speaker 2: be unfair because we'd be doing a disservice to our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: It is it is our responsibility to look at these things,
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  Speaker 2: to talk about these things. And you haven't gone You've
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  Speaker 2: come close to the line. You have not gone over
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  Speaker 2: the line to being unfair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think my evaluation, it's just my
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  Speaker 1: honest evaluation of the situation. I gave him a C
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  Speaker 1: minus last year when some people were naming a manager
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  Speaker 1: of the Year, and I gave him a C minus.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: And I don't even think he lived up to a
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: C minus in the postseason. And I don't think he's
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: lived up to a C minus so far this season.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: That means lower than C minus, right, And yet I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: think that's my analysis, and I'm going to give you
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: my analysis. But I did wonder, as JP made me
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: think about things last night. Have I been unfair with
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: saying he seems lost or he looks lost? Yeah? That
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I wondered, and so I wanted to bring it up
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Luis Castillo last one. I think it's here's what I'll
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: stand by. We have a five man rotation. I don't
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: want to go to six. And my feeling is I
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: don't want to stand on any sort of ceremony here
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and award somebody who's not getting the job done. If
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we've got a numbers crunch and we're gonna stick with
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a five man rotation, which I think we should, then
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pitch the five best pitchers. And I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: don't care how much money they're making, or how much
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: seniority there have they have, or how good they were
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: in the playoff four years ago. I don't care. I'm
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: trying to win a World Series this year, and I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: think we have five better starting pitchers than Luis Castillo.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: But I also think Luis Castillo could carve out a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: tremendous year and a half. As at a bullpen piece
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and him striking out the side in the seventh during
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: piggyback Gait, I thought was a really good sign, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: maybe that will encourage him to embrace a different role
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: on this team. So that's my evaluation of it. That's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what I want to see the Mariners do going forward.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I don't even necessarily need to see the piggyback anymore
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: because I kind of think Bryce Miller is one of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: our three best pitchers, so I don't want to see
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: him piggybacked anymore.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: But you could just picture him as a long reliever.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: You're saying, basically, I could even picture him as a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: short reliever, maybe even more so than a long relief. Okay,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: what he showed us in the seventh was magical.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so so that's my evaluation of things. But I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: will ask you, is it unfair of me to cast
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: him out like that to considering what he means to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the team and what he means to that pitching staff.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Is it unfair of me to relegate Luis Castillo to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a bullpen role for the rest of the season.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's unfair for him to be relegated
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to a bullpen roll. For you to say that that's
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: where he should be, I mean, if you're looking at
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: numbers again, that's what's going to back it up, right.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I think the only place where people have been unfair
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: with the Luis Castillo situation. And this isn't just a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you thing. This is all I think I was guilty
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of it. I think all of us have been guilty
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of it. It's saying that we thought the Mariners were
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: keeping him to not hurt his feelings. I don't think
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: we were giving the Mariners enough credit. I don't think
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: we were giving Luis Castillo enough credit, and that's where
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I would say we were all unfair.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think that's fair to say that I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: was unfair.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as I said, I was guilty of it too.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: We all, oh, they're going to do this because they
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: don't want to hurt his feelings. But that's not in there,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that's not First of all, we've heard this pitching staff
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't operate that way, and clearly the Mariners aren't operating
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that way, or he wouldn't have been the second part
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: of the piggyback h So there you go.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, I think we.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Got to give them more credit. There, all right, good,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: all right, we got it out. It's cathartic.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Feel better.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I do feel better. I do feel better, and I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: actually feel but uh, you know, I if I have
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: been unfair, it was in the presentation of trying to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: extract emphasis to my points. So I don't feel like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I've treated the scenarios unfairly after talking with you, but
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I will say this, I'm bound to be fair and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: unfair for the rest of the season.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's quite a noble statement from you.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Very definitive, very definitive.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, coming up next on the radio program,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: we will have one more I'm not going to say
• 22:01
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• 22:04
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• 22:25
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  Speaker 2: Everything sounds magical. I can think of a better way
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to celebrate your birthday. Yeah, yeah, And I've been racking
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: my brain trying to come up with the appropriate way
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to celebrate your birthday on a day you won't even
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: be here.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It falls on a Thursday this year, so that's
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be a little tricky, I know for a lot
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of people to get out of town on time.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I think what I'm going to do is probably work,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and then i might take a nap to celebrate your birthday.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, and then I'll work a little bit more, okay,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and then I might drink a glass of wine.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you're just going to do the exact same
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: thing you do every day.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool. But I'll say to Chuck.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Just cheers me. That's all. You
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: don't have to do anything extravagant like Today's Family of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Four tries to do on Chuck's birthday. Uh So I'll
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: live with that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: That's so brave of you.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: All Right, Well, we got one last thing coming your
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: way here in a little bit. I did want to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: do a little segment today on the big topic from yesterday,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and that is the piggybacking conversation. And I know that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Softy is already sick of the word piggyback.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Probably losing his mind right now.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But it's not gonna go anywhere. So why not taunt
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: him when you have an opportunity. Let's go piggyback, peggy back,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: pay gay back, pay gay back, pay gay back, peggy back?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: He piggy piggy?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Is that how it's going?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Jerry's piggyback? Kids, We got a loss.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, you didn't even realize. The song I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: was playing when he came back was you can do it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Put your back into it, piggy back into it, put
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: your piggy back into it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I had it to La.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I know you were focused, and I appreciate that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: So we're going to get it again from Dan. And
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I did like what I heard from Dan. And I'm
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: not just saying that to make up for the last segment.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I think you're being very fair, Chuck.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: When he said yesterday, like, we liked what we saw,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and there's some things that I think we'll do differently,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and we'll figure it out going forward, but they're going
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to do it for at least one more time. I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: don't think it has to be Bryce, does it. Does
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it have to be Bryce?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Probably not. I think that was just because he's coming
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: back from injury and they didn't know how much he
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: could really do.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Andrews brought up that point yesterday too.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: In my response to him, was fine, but he did
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: throw eighty five pitches the first time you brought him back.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: You weren't that concerned with him.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he seemed all right in the.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: First game back, and so he should be stronger by
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the second. I just think Bryce Miller is one of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: our three best starting pitchers.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Sure seems like.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: It right now, and don't make me name the list,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but Bryce Miller, I think is going to be one
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of our three best starting pitchers this year. So if
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do this for any prolonged period of time,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it should be piggybacked handcuffed with Bryce.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I think Emerson Hancock still has a little more proving
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to do. I mean he's I mean, you're going with
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: ref Sneider against lefties because of his history. So Emerson
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the history that these other five guys have,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: but he has earned to stay in the starting rotation.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe next time around, since he only went five innings yesterday,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: maybe it's piggybacked with Emerson. Maybe maybe we could pull
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a two day block. Pe Wodworth says, no matter what
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: we do with the starting rotation, five man, six man, piggyback, whatever,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: these guys are not gonna be thrown off by it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: They are ready.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: They are ready to go. They're ready to take the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: ball and perform for their teammates.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: They don't care what I mean, they go in nothing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: They don't care who they face. Nope, they're gonna take
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the ball and they're gonna go out and be them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So if that's the case, if they're not slaves to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: their routines, then why couldn't we spread this over two days?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Why couldn't we say, hey, you're gonna be in a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: piggyback situation this time, Luis. But it might be for Miller.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't do it with Logan. That's too
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: much turnaround. Too quick of a turnaround. Could be for Miller,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it could be for Hancock. They're gonna get the starts again.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I know we told you you would, we would alternate those.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But Bryce just looks Ray too good. So we're gonna
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: let Bryce go. And if Bryce is going, we're not
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: gonna mess with that. It felt kind of uncomfortable. It
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: made me nervous personally to watch him get taken out
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of the game.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to come out, that's for sure.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: When he was just steamrolling the White Sox. To stick
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to a plan that we'd made five hours ago, you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: in a conference room five floors above the baseball field.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So what about a two day window where one of
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the two days, there's probably a better likelihood that are
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: guys going to only get through five innings and then
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Luis can pitch three?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that maybeibility?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Because what was the problem? Right? What was the problem?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the actual plan of Miller and Castillo, and
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't the bridge of Ferrer from Miller to Caste.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: You can't have Castillo come in at the end of
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: an inning to get one out.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: The two problems were that Bryce Miller looked way too
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: good to be taken out of the game. And it's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: one to nothing, and Andres Munnos this is his speciality,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: this is what he does. He does this before breakfast,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you know, And that is yes, exactly, And so why
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: did we not fact that into the first time we
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: were trying this experiment that maybe a one nothing game
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: trump's our plan. Maybe if it's so tight of a
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: game that we got to stick with more traditional standard approaches.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: We ended up blowing up the whole thing, lost the game,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and then didn't have Castillo available for the next day
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: or Munios available for the next day. And so it
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: really was, I think a worthwhile experiment, and I think
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: for the most part it went well. We had a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: shutout going into the ninth. Yeah, how poorly did it
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: go when you have a shutout going into the ninth
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: It's just I don't know if they factored in the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: ninth inning if we're only up one to nothing. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: think they were just so committed to Castillo pitching is
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: three and staying lengthened that that trumped the actual game itself,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and that can never trump the actual game itself. So
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to me, those are the adjustments let's do a forty
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: eight hour window and then that Luis could pitch on
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: either day and we can make that decision based on
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: how well Bryce looks in the game. And then also
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: one nothing games throw all plans out the window. We're
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: going to manage the game to win the game, and
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: not to keep to some sort of script that we
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: put together five hours ago.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: No, And I think that's fair. And I think the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: big problem that we talk about all the time with
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the Mariorn is these scripts are these plans that they
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: don't want to deviate from. They want to stick to it,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and it is often to their own detriment. And so
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I looked at the piggyback situation and thought, wow, that
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: was a huge success. Take away what happened the end
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: result of the game. But as far as what you
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: got from your pitching staff and your pitchers, yeah, minor
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: tweaks here and there. But if you looked at that
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and thought we shouldn't do that again, then I think
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: you were going in with a closed mind in the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: first place.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I love or you're just a prisoner of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the of.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: The loss and the anger. Yes, because I looked at
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that and thought, I mean so many boxes checked. Yes, yes, works,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and so I thought, yeah, we've got to do some tweaks,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: but I want to do it again. And I thought
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: if they I'm glad they're going to do it again.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I would have been mad if they were like, Okay,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: we lost, didn't work, then you're not giving it its
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: full attention. And Softy sent us a message. He loves
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the word piggyback. He's listening right now, So piggyback, piggyback, piggyback.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: You know, if it wasn't such a if it wasn't
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: such a diehard Huskies fan, you know, he'd root for
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: oh the Arkansas piggy back.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah he would, Yeah, pig sue. Yeah, he's so exciting.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, But yes, I think
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: there are some tweaks to it. We'll see it one
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: more time. It might not. It just might not be right.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: It might not, but you got to give it more
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: than one attempt, and we might have to give it
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: three to figure out if it really works.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think you have to. But I don't think
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: there's a problem with doing it again, because I think
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: there were a lot greater I mean, Miller was great Farrer.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I think could pitch every day. I don't think we
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: have to worry about Oh, we wasted for air, No,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: we didn't. He's a plow horse, He's a Clydesdale out there.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: He's fine.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I think if the rules allowed a pitcher to go
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: out and back in, he would have. He would have
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: been like, I'll go back out for the ninth Casteele.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Was the best we've seen him all season long, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the only thing that got screwed up is that we
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: put Mooney in a bad position because Mooney's not on
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: his A plus game so far this year, and he
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: usually it gives up a base runner, and we really
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that double steel changed everything, yes, and brought the infield
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: in because Mooney got the job done. Those are two
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: crappy little leaders that were hit to the right side
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of the infield that if Naylor's not playing in he
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: gobbles them both up and we win the game. So
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I think that there was enough that I have no
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: reservations in trying it again. But as Dan said yesterday,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: we learn from it, we adapt to it, and we'll
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: have a different approach this next time around and might
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: not solve everything. But like every scientific experiment, that is done.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You don't get the result you're looking for the first
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: time you try it. You run the experiment, you see
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: where it went wrong, and then you change it when
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you were before. You run it again to see if
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you can find the solution. So, I mean, I don't
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: want to keep doing that every fifth day, but it's
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: at least worth doing for one more time.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say eighty five percent of that game
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was a success. Was that it was the ninth In mean,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: that was the only part. But you Bryce, Miller pitched
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: his butt off, Frere did his job, Castillo looked great.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Those are three things that you want right there.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only So we'll see. We'll see what they do.
• 33:56
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• 34:11
  Speaker 1: a baseball player is not playing today and the injury
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: listed was he's nursing general soreness.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, we have turned into hockey. Yeah, although hockey would
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: even be more specific upper body or lower body.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I kind of if that's an excuse for missing work,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I could miss work every day.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm nursing general exhaustion.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Does that count general soreness? I pretty much have at
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: all times, just general, nothing specific, just general soreness. Like
• 34:42
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• 34:45
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• 34:58
  Speaker 1: out the show here today, What do you got? All right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we did SUP earlier and I told you there
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  Speaker 2: was one question that I thought was going to take
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  Speaker 2: too long to answer, and what the time we had
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  Speaker 2: left in SUP, and I wanted to bring it back
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  Speaker 2: around in one last thing. This is from the two
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  Speaker 2: h six SUP both of you, which kJ our hosts
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  Speaker 2: would win a game of Survivor on a remote island.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about that? Survivor was going to
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  Speaker 1: be my one last thing today? So this will work
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  Speaker 1: out perfectly. It will work out perfect Who would win
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  Speaker 1: Survivor off of our show?
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. It would not be me because
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  Speaker 2: you have to like eat gross things and I just
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  Speaker 2: would never eat.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could. I think I could do that part.
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  Speaker 2: And also I really like just.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: So dreadfully out of shape. I have general soreness.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, general soreness. I think most of us here at
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the station of general soreness. I don't know that there's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: anyone here who would fairy Well. Yeah, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: I guess maybe because he can like live off the
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  Speaker 2: land a bit more than the rest of us.
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  Speaker 1: He have some outdoorsy stuff, but I mean there's some
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  Speaker 1: awfully physically demanding things. Yeah, and I'm not sure Bucky's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: up for all of those physically demanding things. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking more just along the lines of living
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  Speaker 2: on the remote island. Ignore because I ignoring all of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the difficult choice winning Survivor or Jim a game of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Survivor on a remote island.
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  Speaker 1: So I was taking that would be Bucky.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say.
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  Speaker 1: That, you know, Bucky can hunt his own food.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would be like, oh my gosh, the
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: animals are my best friend. I'm not going to eat him.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would know how to survive on it. But
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: it wins the Survivor game, I don't think it would
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: be him. Well, somebody's got to win.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Might be Chris Kid. I think Chris Kid. I'm not
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: sure if he'd be great at playing the game because
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: he's too nice. I don't know if he'd be cutthroat enough.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe that would help him out. People wouldn't want to
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: get rid of him.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, that people would. We really need him.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: We really need his youth.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And his lack of generals and.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: His lack of general soreness. I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 1: anybody else who might be good at this. It didn't
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna have to Greg Bell.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Greg could do it. Duh.
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  Speaker 1: Greg might win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I would agree. He
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: would be the one that would be like, oh no,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I got this, everybody follow me. And then he'd be like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we can't kick him off the island. We need him
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  Speaker 2: to live here.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: So who would survive an actual being stranded on an island.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go with Bucky who would win survivor I'll go
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: with Greg Bell.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually, now that you brought up Greg Belt,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: he might also win just surviving on a remote island
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  Speaker 2: as well. I mean I feel like he could do
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  Speaker 2: it over Bucky potentially because he would make his.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Own as much as Bucky lost his family. I don't
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: think Greg can be without his own.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think about that. I think, factoring in a
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: lot of things that I hadn't.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Thought of, Bucky could thrive on his own for a while.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: He could thrive on his own long enough to prove
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: he could do it. You know what I'm saying? All Right,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I'm always going to bring up Survivor because I'm not
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: sure exactly what the controversy is. I mean, they aired
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  Speaker 1: a show. There are a lot of moving parts. Jeff
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Probs and I don't watch a lot of Survivor, but man,
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  Speaker 1: he's got to be right there with like Bob Barker
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  Speaker 1: and a couple of others as like the best game
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  Speaker 1: show hosts of all time. He's amazing. He's been the
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  Speaker 1: only one that's ever done it too, and he's what
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  Speaker 1: he's created. Fifty one episode, fifty one seasons of this. Yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: not fifty one episodes, fifty one seasons of this. So
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: apparently he gave away something live on the air, something
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  Speaker 1: that they had taped and the audience was not supposed
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to know. So we got kind of confused. Me he's
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: getting up there, Yeah, he's got confused with what we'd
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: taped and what we hadn't taped. So he revealed something
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that the show itself had not shown. Oh, but I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if the controversy is Jeff Probes just accidentally
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: revealed something he shouldn't have, which renders the competition moot
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  Speaker 1: to the viewer, or if they're saying they've already determined
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  Speaker 1: the winner and now survivors being questioned for its integrity.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's being being accused because they're making
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: an awfully big deal out of it. If he just
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: revealed something prematurely.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it seemed like it was just from one
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: challenger who cares.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: As long as the game is, we can allow after
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: fifty one seasons Jeff Probes to screw something up and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: lose his bearings. Considering how many moving parts there are
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes with that show, I would think that
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: we'd forgive him immediately and just laugh it off. But
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: it's turned into this big controversy. It's all over social
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: media today. So maybe there's more to it that I'm
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: not seeing. Maybe they're questioning the integrity, like he announced
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the winner of something that hasn't even been done, Like
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: they're predetermining who's winning these things.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: That would be bad, That would be terrible.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would like bring down the entire fifty one
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  Speaker 1: season Empire of Survivor. So, if all it is is
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: he got confused in the moment and revealed something that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: they hadn't quite aired, how is that controversial? Who cares?
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Who cares? He just made a mistake, And then five
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: minutes of your viewing is not a surprise.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Almost all of our movies now are prequels. We already
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: know what the outcome is going to be. It's still
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how the kid won
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: right or lost, whatever the case may be. So I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: don't think that's any big deal at all. So if
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: that's all it is, you people need to get a life,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: because there is nothing controversial about that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And if it's bigger, then keep talking about it and
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I'll get some popcorn.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: All right, We will talk to you tomorrow at six am.
• 40:48
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• 40:52
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